In last Sunday's 'Mail on Sunday' (A UK newspaper) there was an article on
how, even if time travel were possible, the past would be unalterable.

I'll scan it if anyone is interested.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:

> In the news...
>
> QUOTE--
>
> Chimp paintings fetch 26,000 dollars at auction

I was watching a report on this on last night's News. Interesting stuff but surely
not something you'd want to spend £14 Grand on. The paintings were of
nothing recognisable - just blobs of colour. I preferred Amy's work from
'Congo' :0)

Kind of reminded me of a movie I once saw (whose title I can't remember).
Peter Cushing played an artist who was always being criticized by
Christopher Lee as an art critic. Cushing shows Lee a painting by a brand
new talent and Lee raves over the use of colour and vibrance and texture
etc...

Cushing brings out the artist and it's a chimp (I think) the disgraced Lee then
plots a bloody revenge.

Can anyone name the movie?

Dave

In this month's Model and Collectors mart (a UK mag) there's a feature on
Palliside's new 'Evil Dead -Army of the Dead' figures. The reviewer is highly
critical of the blind packaging methods being employed to which Palliside
respond: 'It makes collecting more fun."

Prepare for 'more fun' overload when the POTA figures get released.

Dave

There's a Palisades "Evil Dead" figure set that isn't blind at Tower. The
figures look so-so. After Medicom, many fans will probably feel "why
bother?". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave B" <dave@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:10 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Pallisides more fun


> In this month's Model and Collectors mart (a UK mag) there's a feature on
> Palliside's new 'Evil Dead -Army of the Dead' figures. The reviewer is
highly
> critical of the blind packaging methods being employed to which Palliside
> respond: 'It makes collecting more fun."
>
> Prepare for 'more fun' overload when the POTA figures get released.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

> In last Sunday's 'Mail on Sunday' (A UK newspaper) there was an

article on

> how, even if time travel were possible, the past would be

unalterable.

>
> I'll scan it if anyone is interested.
>
> Dave

Sounds cool. I'd love to see it, Dave, if you get a chance.

Helen

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In a message dated 6/21/2005 3:04:53 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@... writes:

Palliside respond: 'It makes collecting more fun."

 

More fun for them to sell people the same figure twice.

 More $ Money = More Fun

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> In last Sunday's 'Mail on Sunday' (A UK newspaper) there was an
article on
> how, even if time travel were possible, the past would be
unalterable.
>
> I'll scan it if anyone is interested.
>
> Dave

Sounds cool.  I'd love to see it, Dave, if you get a chance. 

Helen

Not at number 1 but at number 66. And the quote is:
"Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape".

Should be higher. Not crazy about the rest of the list
http://famulus.msnbc.com/famulusgen/ap06-21-105540.asp?t=apent&vts=62120051212
Number 22 should be Number 1.

A special featuring all the quotes will be airing tonite on CBS in the
US.

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Richard Eastham's Birthday� �

Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2005
Time: All Day

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/21/2005 2:40:37 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Not at number 1 but at number 66. And the quote is:
"Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape".

If that's the quote they used, it's incorrect... It's supposed to be :TAKE your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape..."

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THE MAIL ON SUNDAY - JUNE 19TH, 2005

WHY EVEN A TIMELORD CAN'T CHANGE HISTORY
By Eleanor Mayne

IT'S a giant step for physicists but a disaster for Dr Who - scientists have found
that even if we could travel back to the past, it would be impossible to change
the future.

The breakthrough contradicts the basic premise of hit movies such as ` Back
To The Future, and The Time Machine.

For centuries man has fantasised about going back in time to save a tragically
doomed romance or alter the course of history by ridding the world of tyrants
such as Hitler.'

But a new approach to the subject, using quantum mechanics theory, has
shown that the past is fixed. A time traveller would not be able to deviate from
events that have already happened in his or her present; the only option
available would be to follow the path already taken.

Professor Daniel Greenberger, based at City University of New York and
Professor Karl Svozil, of the Technical University of Vienna, spent hours
poring over the equations. They found that when they modelled a journey
going backwards in time, the paths followed only reinforced the route already
taken - killing off all other options.

Professor Svozil, 48, explained: 'According to our model, if you travel to the
past, you would only see those alternatives consistent with the world you left
behind. It would appear that things were happening which you could not
control, which just do not allow you to alter the past in a way that would be
inconsistent with the future you came from.'

Professor Greenberger added: 'once something has happened, the effect is
that it kills the other possibilities because there is this feedback into the past.
The past is determined. The future is still undetermined, which is consistent
with our ideas of free will. It is a nice philosophical solution.'

Their findings solve the conundrum, which has puzzled scientists for years: if
a time traveller can change the past, could he jeopardise his own survival?

It was this that nearly spelt the end for Michael J. Fox's character, Marty McFly
in Back To The Future when his mother fell in love with him instead of with his
father. As Marty's own existence was threatened he gradually began to fade
from view.

Professor Svozil accepts that generations of fans of time-travel films and
books will be disappointed. But, he says: 'in our model this would not happen.
It is a fantasy we all have sometimes. You have a romance with a girl and you
say I would have done things differently, or, I should have spoken to that girl
on the train. Unfortunately that would not be possible`. While there have never
been practical demonstrations of time travel, it is not ruled out by the known
laws of physics.

Heidelberg-based physicist Professor Heinz-Dieter Zeh agreed with
Greenberger and Svozil's conclusion, but said their method was unrealistic.

He added: 'Changing the past is incompatible with nature's irreversibility,
which is, based on thermodynamics as well as quantum measurements'.

And physicist Avshalom Elitzur, of the Weizmann Institute in Israel, said: 'this
is a very nice idea. Time is very mysterious.'

Quantum theory was developed in the early 20th Century by scientists
including Nobel Prize winner Einstein. It is described as the physics of tiny
particles but bizarrely for the layperson, gives only probabilities instead of
definite measurements to properties such as their location at a point in time.

Science fiction fans can take some comfort in the knowledge that
teleportation, at least, is possible. Last summer, physicists in Austria
transferred the properties of light-particles over a distance of nearly 2,000ft
with no physical link, demonstrating what Einstein described as 'spooky
action at a distance'. But in the near future it is more likely to find a use in
super-fast computers than to beam humans across the galaxy.

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In a message dated 6/22/2005 3:33:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

If that's the quote they used, it's incorrect... It's supposed to be :TAKE your stinking paws off me, you damn dirty ape..."

 

That's what I said!

You don't see the other quotes missquoted.

Even though the misquote is the common usage

over the actual quote.  I think they did it on purpose.

Just like they stick Kim Stanley's name under Kim Hunter's

picture.

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I could be wrong but I believe it is "Dr. Terror's house of horrors".
That's one of those movies that is a collection of short stories
loosely tied together.

Dario

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> > In the news...
> >
> > QUOTE--
> >
> > Chimp paintings fetch 26,000 dollars at auction
>
> I was watching a report on this on last night's News. Interesting
stuff but surely
> not something you'd want to spend £14 Grand on. The paintings were
of
> nothing recognisable - just blobs of colour. I preferred Amy's work
from
> 'Congo' :0)
>
> Kind of reminded me of a movie I once saw (whose title I can't
remember).
> Peter Cushing played an artist who was always being criticized by
> Christopher Lee as an art critic. Cushing shows Lee a painting by a
brand
> new talent and Lee raves over the use of colour and vibrance and
texture
> etc...
>
> Cushing brings out the artist and it's a chimp (I think) the
disgraced Lee then
> plots a bloody revenge.
>
> Can anyone name the movie?
>
> Dave

Hi,
hope to be welcomed as the fellow italian ape i truly am.

i'm writing a more plausible pota timelines, dealing with all the
faults conquest brought to the franchise. i'm very upset by the
fact people did not realize cornelius and zira changed the whole tv
series\planet\beneath line.
frankly, i guess the apes were ormonally changed, and that
conquest covers a 1991-99 span of time, and so on.
please, since i do not own the dvd series... can you list me all the
dates mentioned in battle? thanx!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypse_mcdowell"
<caliendo2000@j...> wrote:

> Hi,
> hope to be welcomed as the fellow italian ape i truly am.
>
> i'm writing a more plausible pota timelines, dealing with all the
> faults conquest brought to the franchise. i'm very upset by the
> fact people did not realize cornelius and zira changed the whole

tv

> series\planet\beneath line.
> frankly, i guess the apes were ormonally changed, and that
> conquest covers a 1991-99 span of time, and so on.
> please, since i do not own the dvd series... can you list me all

the

> dates mentioned in battle? thanx!

i'm referring to the archive section scene.

"Welcome!"

I don't know if this is what you're looking for, but there is a really
good timeline in the Internal Site.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm

Helen


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypse_mcdowell" <caliendo2000@j...>
wrote:

> Hi,
> hope to be welcomed as the fellow italian ape i truly am.
>
> i'm writing a more plausible pota timelines, dealing with all the
> faults conquest brought to the franchise. i'm very upset by the
> fact people did not realize cornelius and zira changed the whole tv
> series\planet\beneath line.
> frankly, i guess the apes were ormonally changed, and that
> conquest covers a 1991-99 span of time, and so on.
> please, since i do not own the dvd series... can you list me all the
> dates mentioned in battle? thanx!

I could be wrong but I believe it is "Dr. Terror's house of horrors".
That's one of those movies that is a collection of short stories
loosely tied together.

Dario

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> > In the news...
> >
> > QUOTE--
> >
> > Chimp paintings fetch 26,000 dollars at auction
>
> I was watching a report on this on last night's News. Interesting
stuff but surely
> not something you'd want to spend £14 Grand on. The paintings were
of
> nothing recognisable - just blobs of colour. I preferred Amy's work
from
> 'Congo' :0)
>
> Kind of reminded me of a movie I once saw (whose title I can't
remember).
> Peter Cushing played an artist who was always being criticized by
> Christopher Lee as an art critic. Cushing shows Lee a painting by a
brand
> new talent and Lee raves over the use of colour and vibrance and
texture
> etc...
>
> Cushing brings out the artist and it's a chimp (I think) the
disgraced Lee then
> plots a bloody revenge.
>
> Can anyone name the movie?
>
> Dave







Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

http://home.earthlink.net/~thepittbull/

go vegetarian!

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Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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In a message dated 6/22/2005 4:32:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, dave@... writes:

For centuries man has fantasised about going back in time to save a tragically
doomed romance or alter the course of history by ridding the world of tyrants
such as Hitler.'

But a new approach to the subject, using quantum mechanics theory, has
shown that the past is fixed. A time traveller would not be able to deviate from
events that have already happened in his or her present; the only option
available would be to follow the path already taken.

So what I I time traveled to see Da Vinci, taught him how to use my Time Travel Machine and sent him to kill Hitler?

  Bruce

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Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/22/05 9:00:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, caliendo2000@... writes:

Hi,
hope to be welcomed as the fellow italian ape i truly am.

i'm writing a more plausible pota timelines, dealing with all the
faults conquest brought to the franchise. i'm very upset by the
fact people did not realize cornelius and zira changed the whole tv
series\planet\beneath line.

Hi,

You're not the only one, but you're only going to find a majority of timeloopers here and in the other POTA groups!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlWhat would really be something is a chimp that paints a picture of a chimp painting a picture of a chimp painting a picture of a chimp painting a picture of a landscape!

That would really be freaky!

-- Rory<.html<.html

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/22/2005 5:43:37 PM Central Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

Get your stinking paws off me, you damned dirty ape.

"Take your stinking paws off me you damn dirty ape" is the quote that is IN the movie...

<.html <.html

Rory,

Thanks for the "welcome", I've just changed my Identity ID to YAHOO!

Anyway, time is an highway.

Welcome to the group. I'd like to offer you and any other new member
a copy of the POTA TV Herald produced by our members and friends at
Simian Scrolls. You can see the Herald on Kass' site:
http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/herald.html"

There's no cost to get your own hard copy. Just send me a self-
addressed stamped envelope. Email me privately for my address.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypse_mcdowell"
<caliendo2000@j...> wrote:

> Hi,
> hope to be welcomed as the fellow italian ape i truly am.
>
> i'm writing a more plausible pota timelines, dealing with all the
> faults conquest brought to the franchise. i'm very upset by the
> fact people did not realize cornelius and zira changed the whole

tv

> series\planet\beneath line.
> frankly, i guess the apes were ormonally changed, and that
> conquest covers a 1991-99 span of time, and so on.
> please, since i do not own the dvd series... can you list me all

the

> dates mentioned in battle? thanx!

Yes, we're loopy for time loops;-). I've always looked at Battle as the
fork in the road. If man and ape can learn to live in peace the future
will be safe. If not, it's Taylor in St. Pat's pushing the button.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> You're not the only one, but you're only going to find a majority of
> timeloopers here and in the other POTA groups!
>
> -- Rory

"Brigader, you really need to stop thinking about time in such
linear terms" - The Doctor.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2005 4:32:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> dave@4... writes:
>
> For centuries man has fantasised about going back in time to save
a
> tragically
> doomed romance or alter the course of history by ridding the world
of
> tyrants
> such as Hitler.'
>
> But a new approach to the subject, using quantum mechanics
theory, has
> shown that the past is fixed. A time traveller would not be able
to deviate
> from
> events that have already happened in his or her present; the only
option
> available would be to follow the path already taken.
>
>
>
>
> So what I I time traveled to see Da Vinci, taught him how to use
my Time
> Travel Machine and sent him to kill Hitler?
> Bruce

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In a message dated 6/23/2005 5:32:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Thanks for the "welcome", I've just changed my Identity ID to YAHOO!

Anyway, time is an highway.

AN highway.  Professor Higgins would be appalled.

And shouldn't that be Ape-pocalypse Now?

 

Nitpicking is a social activity among apes.

 

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Hello APES!

Since this saga changed my life forever, and I pledge alligiance to
the State Of The Apes "NOW" and "ALWAYS", I've just registered the
domain:

apecalypsenow.tk (Check it out in every case, it temporarly belongs to
a TARKOVSKY/STALKER message board I created long time ago, but I need
some visits in order to mantain the URL 'til the site would be ready
to go, you know).

I'm planning to create at least a "definitive" Italian website for the
apes, since there's no one to begin with.

I'm just working on the Italian APES timeline.

It sounds reasonable to me. BATTLE (which is my fave sequel after
BENEATH) is really a turning, balancing point. Interesting thought.

I'm JUST AN ITALIAN MAN, not an American Ape! THIS IS A MADHOUSE! A
MAAAAADHOUSE! :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2005 5:32:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> Thanks for the "welcome", I've just changed my Identity ID to YAHOO!
>
> Anyway, time is an highway.
>
>
> AN highway. Professor Higgins would be appalled.
> And shouldn't that be Ape-pocalypse Now?
>
> Nitpicking is a social activity among apes.

Good luck with the new site! I've been watching the dvd of The Good the
Bad and the Ugly and they mention how the Italian version is longer. Is
there any way to check if any of the Italian versions of the Apes films
are longer? Also, I recently found an old Starburst mag from the early
80s advertising colour Italian albums for loads of films, includng
Planet---have you ever seen these? John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 6/23/2005 10:57:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mail@... writes:

Good luck with the new site! I've been watching the dvd of The Good the
Bad and the Ugly and they mention how the Italian version is longer. Is
there any way to check if any of the Italian versions of the Apes films
are longer? Also, I recently found an old Starburst mag from the early
80s advertising colour Italian albums for loads of films, includng
Planet---have you ever seen these? John, Scrolls.

I've always wondered about that as well. One of the Italian "fotobustas" (posters) from ESCAPE features the ape-o-nauts still in Taylor's spaceship at the controls and the CONQUEST ones feature bloody riot scenes cut from the final version.

  Bruce

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It's simple.

APELINE ONE (The long-running highway)

1972- Taylor an Brent left Earth each in a different month.
1983- The Plague - Strain Number One (not so severe on dogs and cats
as supposed - coming from unmanned satellite)
2183- Apes as slaves
2483- Apes able to do some abstract thoughts (humanoid evolution
followed?)
2503- Humans still in charge
The revolution begins.
2600- Apes conquest the world.
3075- Unspecified Astronaut crashes on POTA. Zaius kills him.
3085- The TV SERIES
3955- Taylor on POTA; The doomsday

APELINE TWO (the fast-running highway)

1973- Cornelius and Zira killed and examined. Their organisms inspire
genetists to "recreate" the process of humanization of the Apes.
1977- The process is ultimated. They start to enhance the first Apes.
1973-1983 - exploration in space improves, since the Apes stimulated
the "alien fear".
1983- The Plague - Strain Number Two - dogs and cats ABSOLUTELY
decimated - coming from further explorations in space)
1989- Humanoid Apes (still few) as slaves
1991- Caesar sees Los Angeles.
1991-1999- Caesar enprisoned in Ape Management. Number of Humanoid
Apes considerably grows in the world.
1999- Ape revolution
1999-2007- Political tensions; Lots of Apes killed, nuclear war
2008- Construction of APE CITY
2019- BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES; mutants defeated.
2040-New civilization ape/man

There are no DELETED scenes featured! Unfortunately...

One day I'll scan the VHS covers to you...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/23/2005 10:57:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mail@m... writes:
>
> Good luck with the new site! I've been watching the dvd of The
Good the
> Bad and the Ugly and they mention how the Italian version is
longer. Is
> there any way to check if any of the Italian versions of the Apes
films
> are longer? Also, I recently found an old Starburst mag from the
early
> 80s advertising colour Italian albums for loads of films, includng
> Planet---have you ever seen these? John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> I've always wondered about that as well. One of the
Italian "fotobustas"
> (posters) from ESCAPE features the ape-o-nauts still in Taylor's
spaceship at
> the controls and the CONQUEST ones feature bloody riot scenes cut
from the final
> version.
> Bruce

It would be wonderful to see the Italian covers! John, Scrolls.

This week's Lesson is now available and it is our 20th Lesson. To mark
this auspicious occasion the Lesson page has been given a look. I hope
everyone likes it. Thanks to Glen and everyone that contributed.

You can access the lesson from the banner on the Yahoo Home Page
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/ or directly via this link:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

Happy Friday!

OK.

I agree with you. Thats make sense.

JR

Could it be the look of the old POTA Colorform background?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
To mark this auspicious occasion the Lesson page has been given a look.

Oh, I like it!...I think the new background makes the lesson look a lot
nicer...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> This week's Lesson is now available and it is our 20th Lesson. To
mark
> this auspicious occasion the Lesson page has been given a look. I
hope
> everyone likes it.
>
> You can access the lesson from the banner on the Yahoo Home Page
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/ or directly via this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm
>
> Happy Friday!

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In a message dated 6/23/2005 8:23:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

There are no DELETED scenes featured! Unfortunately...

One day I'll scan the VHS covers to you...

I'd love to see them.

  Bruce

<.html

I think that's what it is. I'm not really sure.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
> Could it be the look of the old POTA Colorform background?
>

Today I went to the Heroes Comic Covention here in Charlotte, NC and stood
and waited and waited (as comic fans had PILES of comics to get signed--
sheesh!) to meet Mr. Mike Ploog! I had him sign a Marvel POTA No. 1 right
under the Lawgiver in "Terror". Then I asked if he would draw an ape for
me.....and he did! I have posted it under Photos>Apefan23. He said he
LOVED doing the Apes series and wished it had continued. When asked
what he used for references, he said he had some pics but also was good
friends with the original storyboard artist which, of course, I've now forgotten
his name....! But he was a right nice gentleman ....made my day!!

Tim

feedback required, please!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow"
<apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:

> It's simple.
>
> APELINE ONE (The long-running highway)
>
> 1972- Taylor an Brent left Earth each in a different month.
> 1983- The Plague - Strain Number One (not so severe on dogs

and cats

> as supposed - coming from unmanned satellite)
> 2183- Apes as slaves
> 2483- Apes able to do some abstract thoughts (humanoid

evolution

> followed?)
> 2503- Humans still in charge
> The revolution begins.
> 2600- Apes conquest the world.
> 3075- Unspecified Astronaut crashes on POTA. Zaius kills him.
> 3085- The TV SERIES
> 3955- Taylor on POTA; The doomsday
>
> APELINE TWO (the fast-running highway)
>
> 1973- Cornelius and Zira killed and examined. Their organisms

inspire

> genetists to "recreate" the process of humanization of the Apes.
> 1977- The process is ultimated. They start to enhance the first

Apes.

> 1973-1983 - exploration in space improves, since the Apes

stimulated

> the "alien fear".
> 1983- The Plague - Strain Number Two - dogs and cats

ABSOLUTELY

> decimated - coming from further explorations in space)
> 1989- Humanoid Apes (still few) as slaves
> 1991- Caesar sees Los Angeles.
> 1991-1999- Caesar enprisoned in Ape Management. Number of

Humanoid

> Apes considerably grows in the world.
> 1999- Ape revolution
> 1999-2007- Political tensions; Lots of Apes killed, nuclear war
> 2008- Construction of APE CITY
> 2019- BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES; mutants

defeated.

> 2040-New civilization ape/man

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> Today I went to the Heroes Comic Covention here in Charlotte,

NC and stood

> and waited and waited (as comic fans had PILES of comics to

get signed--

> sheesh!) to meet Mr. Mike Ploog!

Hi Tim,

That's a great sketch from Mr Ploog, easily the most all-round Mr,
nice-guy I've ever waited in line for. I too asked him if he used
reference material and he told me he didn't because it confused
him! I knew that answer couldn't have been 100% correct but
didn't take issue with it.

Did he have any original Apes artwork on display?

BTW, The costume designer for Apes was Morton Haack.

Dave B

I was having one of those trivial pub conversations with some
pals and we got on to discussing movie sequels. I asked the
question: could anyone name the earliest series of films PRE
apes that had a continous storyline?

We came to the conclusion that most sequels PRE apes would
feature the same characters but in different unrelated
adventures. (Tarzan, James Bond etc) The best we could come
up with were the Universal horror movies (Frankenstein, Bride of
Frankenstein, Son of, etc)

Can anyone think of any earlier examples?

BTW, Saturday morning serials (Flash Gordon etc) don't count

Dave

Tim, that is one seriously cool Ploog sketch! Thanks for sharing---he's
still got that magic. By coincidence, the third volume of the Comic
Book Artist Collection has just appeared, including an interview with
Doug Moench where he discusses Ploog and Apes(briefly) and a longer
article by Rob Kirby about the UK Apeslayer strip and also some
Conquest pages that were never seen in the US. Further details on
www.twomorrows.com---highly recommended! John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 6/26/2005 2:19:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@... writes:

Can anyone think of any earlier examples?

usually a movie with the same character(s) with one or more

sequels IS unrelated.  Most were detective films.  Mr. Moto

Charlie Chan, Sherlock Holmes, The Thin Man etc . . .

The only other example I can think of is Son of Kong.

Another ape picture.  What are the odds?

The comedy team stuff, Marx Bros., Abbott & Costello,

Bob & Bing, were playing the same guys but not the same

characters.  Can anyone think of a running storyline that

wasn't a serial?  I can't.  Even in Blondie the only continuity

is Baby Dumpling.  I don't think Ma and Pa Kettle was

continuous.  And in the Frankenstein stuff Lugosi was all

over the place, one movie he's Ygor, and the next he's

fighting the Wolf Man as the monster.  One up on Karloff

I guess.

 

"That Limey cocksucker!"

~~~Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi~~~~

 

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I'm going to say Zatoichi: The Blind Swordsman (1962). It had many sequels with a
continuous storyline and returning characters. That's the only thing I can come up with. If
you haven't seen these films, check them out.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
I asked the question: could anyone name the earliest series of films PRE apes that had a
continous storyline?

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In a message dated 6/26/2005 8:29:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, rkid67@... writes:

I'm going to say Zatoichi: The Blind Swordsman (1962).  It had many sequels with a
continuous storyline and returning characters.  That's the only thing I can come up with.

 

True, but it wasn't made in the Hollywood system.

Great movies though.  If you like Shintaro Katsu

check out his brother's series, Lone Wolf and Cub. 

Shintaro Katsu was the producer on them.

 

 

 

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I have the Lone Wolf and Cub series, great stuff. I have a lot of Asian cinema in my DVD
collection. Films that were recently released over here theatrically, I've had on DVD for a
while, like Kung Fu Hustle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
If you like Shintaro Katsu check out his brother's series, Lone Wolf and Cub. Shintaro Katsu
was the producer on them.

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Also the MGM TARZAN series from 1932 to 1942 is a continuing story, more or less.

However, I really try to take each film on its own terms.  I think what you should only be concerned with is the story each film is telling.  Film series aren't the same as TV series.

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Hey Dave......No it wasn't Morton Hack...it was a
longer name ...I knew I should have written it down!
HE did have several original pages of "Terror" from
the first few issues but they were in the $400 to $600
range so I settled for an original drawing done on the
spot for free!!

Tim

--- Dave B <dave@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <apefan23@y...>
> wrote:
> > Today I went to the Heroes Comic Covention here in
> Charlotte,
> NC and stood
> > and waited and waited (as comic fans had PILES of
> comics to
> get signed--
> > sheesh!) to meet Mr. Mike Ploog!
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> That's a great sketch from Mr Ploog, easily the most
> all-round Mr,
> nice-guy I've ever waited in line for. I too asked
> him if he used
> reference material and he told me he didn't because
> it confused
> him! I knew that answer couldn't have been 100%
> correct but
> didn't take issue with it.
>
> Did he have any original Apes artwork on display?
>
> BTW, The costume designer for Apes was Morton Haack.
>
> Dave B
>
>
>
>
>
>

damn, those apes were really groundbreaking.

i would not call all those ones sequels, but somehow they are
spin-offs.


-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

> I was having one of those trivial pub conversations with some
> pals and we got on to discussing movie sequels. I asked the
> question: could anyone name the earliest series of films PRE
> apes that had a continous storyline?
>
> We came to the conclusion that most sequels PRE apes would
> feature the same characters but in different unrelated
> adventures. (Tarzan, James Bond etc) The best we could come
> up with were the Universal horror movies (Frankenstein, Bride of
> Frankenstein, Son of, etc)
>
> Can anyone think of any earlier examples?
>
> BTW, Saturday morning serials (Flash Gordon etc) don't count
>
> Dave

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In a message dated 6/26/2005 4:18:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

spin-offs.

 

Spin offs are derivative TV shows

 

 

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Looks like you got all the major events covered. One you may
considered adding is the 20th Century nuclear war which was firmly
established in Planet & Beneath.
It then makes more sense that after the plauge (in APELINE ONE),
that it took Humans, who would now be living a more rural lifestyle,
two centuries to domesticate Apes from pets into servants.
In APELINE TWO, that war was avoided. Thus, Humans were able to use
more high tech methods which took less than 8 years.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:

> feedback required, please!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow"
> <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
> > It's simple.
> >
> > APELINE ONE (The long-running highway)
> >
> > 1972- Taylor an Brent left Earth each in a different month.
> > 1983- The Plague - Strain Number One (not so severe on dogs
> and cats
> > as supposed - coming from unmanned satellite)
> > 2183- Apes as slaves
> > 2483- Apes able to do some abstract thoughts (humanoid
> evolution
> > followed?)
> > 2503- Humans still in charge
> > The revolution begins.
> > 2600- Apes conquest the world.
> > 3075- Unspecified Astronaut crashes on POTA. Zaius kills him.
> > 3085- The TV SERIES
> > 3955- Taylor on POTA; The doomsday
> >
> > APELINE TWO (the fast-running highway)
> >
> > 1973- Cornelius and Zira killed and examined. Their organisms
> inspire
> > genetists to "recreate" the process of humanization of the Apes.
> > 1977- The process is ultimated. They start to enhance the first
> Apes.
> > 1973-1983 - exploration in space improves, since the Apes
> stimulated
> > the "alien fear".
> > 1983- The Plague - Strain Number Two - dogs and cats
> ABSOLUTELY
> > decimated - coming from further explorations in space)
> > 1989- Humanoid Apes (still few) as slaves
> > 1991- Caesar sees Los Angeles.
> > 1991-1999- Caesar enprisoned in Ape Management. Number of
> Humanoid
> > Apes considerably grows in the world.
> > 1999- Ape revolution
> > 1999-2007- Political tensions; Lots of Apes killed, nuclear war
> > 2008- Construction of APE CITY
> > 2019- BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES; mutants
> defeated.
> > 2040-New civilization ape/man

Thinking of Hollywood serials there were those like the Andy Hardy
films, The Thin Man, Blondie and Serlock Holmes. I believe most were
unrelated adventures but the Andy Hardy films did show a progression as
he got older.
None were the saga type of series like POTA, Star Wars or LOTR.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> I was having one of those trivial pub conversations with some
> pals and we got on to discussing movie sequels. I asked the
> question: could anyone name the earliest series of films PRE
> apes that had a continous storyline?
>
> We came to the conclusion that most sequels PRE apes would
> feature the same characters but in different unrelated
> adventures. (Tarzan, James Bond etc) The best we could come
> up with were the Universal horror movies (Frankenstein, Bride of
> Frankenstein, Son of, etc)
>
> Can anyone think of any earlier examples?
>
> BTW, Saturday morning serials (Flash Gordon etc) don't count
>
> Dave

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In a message dated 6/26/2005 7:16:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Serlock Holmes

 

No Sit Serlock

I covered all those.

Except Andy Hardy

I can't think of one continuous

plot thread.  More like reoccurring

themes, like Girl Trouble and Andy

needs a car.

 

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No there wasn't a continuous plot thread but rather a progress as he
got older, much like what happens on today's sitcoms as the kids on it
age.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Except Andy Hardy
> I can't think of one continuous
> plot thread. More like reoccurring
> themes, like Girl Trouble and Andy
> needs a car.

jim,

i guess in apeline one, the nuclear war happened somewhere in the
26th century, otherwise cornelius's account would be wrong.

i have an obsessive question regarding apeline two:
is there some factual evidence in conquest showing that the movie
itself could cover a major timespan?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Looks like you got all the major events covered. One you may
> considered adding is the 20th Century nuclear war which was firmly
> established in Planet & Beneath.
> It then makes more sense that after the plauge (in APELINE ONE),
> that it took Humans, who would now be living a more rural
lifestyle,
> two centuries to domesticate Apes from pets into servants.
> In APELINE TWO, that war was avoided. Thus, Humans were able to
use
> more high tech methods which took less than 8 years.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
> wrote:
> > feedback required, please!
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow"
> > <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
> > > It's simple.
> > >
> > > APELINE ONE (The long-running highway)
> > >
> > > 1972- Taylor an Brent left Earth each in a different month.
> > > 1983- The Plague - Strain Number One (not so severe on dogs
> > and cats
> > > as supposed - coming from unmanned satellite)
> > > 2183- Apes as slaves
> > > 2483- Apes able to do some abstract thoughts (humanoid
> > evolution
> > > followed?)
> > > 2503- Humans still in charge
> > > The revolution begins.
> > > 2600- Apes conquest the world.
> > > 3075- Unspecified Astronaut crashes on POTA. Zaius kills him.
> > > 3085- The TV SERIES
> > > 3955- Taylor on POTA; The doomsday
> > >
> > > APELINE TWO (the fast-running highway)
> > >
> > > 1973- Cornelius and Zira killed and examined. Their organisms
> > inspire
> > > genetists to "recreate" the process of humanization of the
Apes.
> > > 1977- The process is ultimated. They start to enhance the first
> > Apes.
> > > 1973-1983 - exploration in space improves, since the Apes
> > stimulated
> > > the "alien fear".
> > > 1983- The Plague - Strain Number Two - dogs and cats
> > ABSOLUTELY
> > > decimated - coming from further explorations in space)
> > > 1989- Humanoid Apes (still few) as slaves
> > > 1991- Caesar sees Los Angeles.
> > > 1991-1999- Caesar enprisoned in Ape Management. Number of
> > Humanoid
> > > Apes considerably grows in the world.
> > > 1999- Ape revolution
> > > 1999-2007- Political tensions; Lots of Apes killed, nuclear war
> > > 2008- Construction of APE CITY
> > > 2019- BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES; mutants
> > defeated.
> > > 2040-New civilization ape/man

are you saying me...that in taylor's line new york was bombed out in
the 20th century? that implies that the series tv belongs to apeline
2, and that only the west coast was nuked! yo know in the tv series
there's a 2503 ny futuristic pic!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Looks like you got all the major events covered. One you may
> considered adding is the 20th Century nuclear war which was firmly
> established in Planet & Beneath.
> It then makes more sense that after the plauge (in APELINE ONE),
> that it took Humans, who would now be living a more rural
lifestyle,
> two centuries to domesticate Apes from pets into servants.
> In APELINE TWO, that war was avoided. Thus, Humans were able to
use
> more high tech methods which took less than 8 years.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
> wrote:
> > feedback required, please!
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow"
> > <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
> > > It's simple.
> > >
> > > APELINE ONE (The long-running highway)
> > >
> > > 1972- Taylor an Brent left Earth each in a different month.
> > > 1983- The Plague - Strain Number One (not so severe on dogs
> > and cats
> > > as supposed - coming from unmanned satellite)
> > > 2183- Apes as slaves
> > > 2483- Apes able to do some abstract thoughts (humanoid
> > evolution
> > > followed?)
> > > 2503- Humans still in charge
> > > The revolution begins.
> > > 2600- Apes conquest the world.
> > > 3075- Unspecified Astronaut crashes on POTA. Zaius kills him.
> > > 3085- The TV SERIES
> > > 3955- Taylor on POTA; The doomsday
> > >
> > > APELINE TWO (the fast-running highway)
> > >
> > > 1973- Cornelius and Zira killed and examined. Their organisms
> > inspire
> > > genetists to "recreate" the process of humanization of the
Apes.
> > > 1977- The process is ultimated. They start to enhance the first
> > Apes.
> > > 1973-1983 - exploration in space improves, since the Apes
> > stimulated
> > > the "alien fear".
> > > 1983- The Plague - Strain Number Two - dogs and cats
> > ABSOLUTELY
> > > decimated - coming from further explorations in space)
> > > 1989- Humanoid Apes (still few) as slaves
> > > 1991- Caesar sees Los Angeles.
> > > 1991-1999- Caesar enprisoned in Ape Management. Number of
> > Humanoid
> > > Apes considerably grows in the world.
> > > 1999- Ape revolution
> > > 1999-2007- Political tensions; Lots of Apes killed, nuclear war
> > > 2008- Construction of APE CITY
> > > 2019- BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES; mutants
> > defeated.
> > > 2040-New civilization ape/man

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:

>
> jim,
>
> i guess in apeline one, the nuclear war happened somewhere in the
> 26th century, otherwise cornelius's account would be wrong.
>

How? Cornelius never says when the nuclear war occured. Nor does he
state that the Ape takeover was a violent one. Just because the
sequence of events occured that way in Conquest doens't mean they did
in APELINE ONE. In fact, Cornelius makes reference to "Man's original
downfall" which could suggest that there was also a secondary downfall.

Actually, I was only refering to the movies. I consider the TV Series
to be part of its own POTA universe like the 2001 remake.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
> are you saying me...that in taylor's line new york was bombed out in
> the 20th century? that implies that the series tv belongs to apeline
> 2, and that only the west coast was nuked! yo know in the tv series
> there's a 2503 ny futuristic pic!
>
>
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> The 2 and a half minute trailer for "Kong" premieres tonight on NBC and

various affiliated cable channels around 8:59 P.M. and will be in theaters with
"War of the Worlds" this week. - - - Jeff

For those of us in the UK I hear the King Kong trailer is to be shown on
Channel 4 Tuesday 28th at 18:00

Dave B

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In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:22:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Peter Jackson notes that Kong is 25 feet tall

 

That doesn't seem right.

If you go by the theme song from the cartoon he was

10 times as big as a man.  That makes him 50 - 60

feet tall.  25 feet sounds like son of Kong or Mighty

Joe Young.

 

 

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>> Peter Jackson notes that Kong is 25 feet tall

> That doesn't seem right.
> If you go by the theme song from the cartoon he was
> 10 times as big as a man. That makes him 50 - 60
> feet tall. 25 feet sounds like son of Kong or Mighty
> Joe Young.

The original Mighty Joe Young would have been more like 10 or 12 feet
tall. In any case, what does the cartoon theme have to do with *Peter
Jackson's* King Kong? Maybe his is only 25 feet tall.

Hunter

WHERE Taylor or the apes mentioned the nuclear blast happened in the
late 20th century?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Actually, I was only refering to the movies. I consider the TV Series
> to be part of its own POTA universe like the 2001 remake.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:
> > are you saying me...that in taylor's line new york was bombed out
in
> > the 20th century? that implies that the series tv belongs to
apeline
> > 2, and that only the west coast was nuked! yo know in the tv series
> > there's a 2503 ny futuristic pic!
> >
> >
> >

.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/27/2005 12:38:54 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

25 feet sounds like son of Kong or Mighty Joe Young.

Agreed... Kong should be a much larger ape than that... As you say, 50-60 feet tall is more accurate...
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So how did the humans manage to make slaves the humanoid APES if
mankind was blasted out and was no longer?

Plus, how the hell the apes managed to become "HUMANOID" without the
technological help? Spontaneous evolution?

And the PLAGUE... after the nuclear war. Was that the seconday downfall?

I don't know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > jim,
> >
> > i guess in apeline one, the nuclear war happened somewhere in the
> > 26th century, otherwise cornelius's account would be wrong.
> >
>
> How? Cornelius never says when the nuclear war occured. Nor does he
> state that the Ape takeover was a violent one. Just because the
> sequence of events occured that way in Conquest doens't mean they did
> in APELINE ONE. In fact, Cornelius makes reference to "Man's original
> downfall" which could suggest that there was also a secondary
downfall.

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In a message dated 6/27/2005 4:57:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

In any case, what does the cartoon theme have to do with *Peter
Jackson's* King Kong?  Maybe his is only 25 feet tall.

 

Nothing. 

I just prefer my Kongs Kong Sized.

 

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Willis O'Brien's "King Kong" was 24 feet tall...

All I remember from the cartoon is: "King Kong, you know the name of
King Kong; you know the fame of King Kong; higher than the highest
tree."...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:22:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> Peter Jackson notes that Kong is 25 feet tall
>
>
>
> That doesn't seem right.
> If you go by the theme song from the cartoon he was
> 10 times as big as a man. That makes him 50 - 60
> feet tall. 25 feet sounds like son of Kong or Mighty
> Joe Young.

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I can't vote because you're not giving proper choices.

They're slanted.

It is possible.

Why do you think it's not?

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/27/2005 4:57:15 PM Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

WHERE Taylor or the apes mentioned the nuclear blast happened in the
late 20th century?

They don't... And I'd tend to agree with you that in the original timeline, the apes revolt happened sometime after the year 2500, due to Cornelius saying apes were in servitude for 500 years.

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In a message dated 6/27/2005 6:21:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

All I remember from the cartoon is: "King Kong, you know the name of
King Kong; you know the fame of King Kong; higher than the highest
tree."...

 

I think you're mixing that song with Dang Me.

 

Dang me  Dang me

Someone take a rope and hang me

Hang me from the highest tree

Oh Lord have mercy on me

 

As I recall Kong went

 

King Kong you know the name of
King Kong you know the fame of

King Kong

Ten times as big as a man

 

 

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:

> So how did the humans manage to make slaves the humanoid APES if
> mankind was blasted out and was no longer?
>

Who said mankind was blasted out and was no longer? The wild humans
in Planet & Beneath are evidence some survived. Humans living in
rural areas obviously survived.

> Plus, how the hell the apes managed to become "HUMANOID" without

the

> technological help? Spontaneous evolution?

The same way mankind has domesticated animals for thousands of years
before technology, selective breeding. That's why it took 200 years
for apes to evolve from pets into slaves.

>
> And the PLAGUE... after the nuclear war. Was that the seconday

downfall?

>
> I don't know.
>

No Apes taking control and ruling the planet was the second downfall.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:

> WHERE Taylor or the apes mentioned the nuclear blast happened in the
> late 20th century?
>

Well Cornelius states that the human remains in the cave are from 700
years before the remains of the carnivorous gorillas which were from
1300 years earlier. 1300 + 700 = 2000 years, thus the 20th Century.

Taylor also calls the Alpha-Omega bome a souvenir from the 20th
century, not the 26th Century. Also, the visual evidence in Beneath
show the ruins of a 20th Century New York.

BTW since we're discussing what is mentioned in the film, can you quote
the exact line of dialogue which directly establishes that C&Z created
a second timeline.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:

> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/polls

We had a similar poll to this a while back:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/surveys?id=1402761

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

> They don't...

See my earlier reply. Because they do.

> And I'd tend to agree with you that in the original timeline,
> the apes revolt happened sometime after the year 2500, due to

Cornelius saying

> apes were in servitude for 500 years.

The ape revolt took place after 500 years of servitude. That's not the
issue. It's when did the nuclear war take place. Nowhere is it stated
that the two events are linked or even that the Ape revolt was a
violent one. Just because events happened that way in Conquest doesn't
mean they happened the same way in the alleged "original" timeline.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 6/27/2005 8:39:04 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Taylor also calls the Alpha-Omega bome a souvenir from the 20th
century, not the 26th Century.

That doesn't mean the bomb wasn't around in the 20th Century and preserved all those centuries, including after the 26th Century destruction... The bomb may have been from the 20th Century, but it was never detonated in the centuries following it because it was known to be "The Ultimate Weapon"... As such, other nukes may have been set off, but the final bomb wasn't, and after the "downfall" of Humanity, it came to be worshipped by the surviving humans (mutants). Remember, the Alpha-Omega bomb was made to last, and it lasted from the time it was made up until the 40th Century...

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 10:26 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Kong's vitals

In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:22:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Peter Jackson notes that Kong is 25 feet tall

 

That doesn't seem right.

If you go by the theme song from the cartoon he was

10 times as big as a man.  That makes him 50 - 60

feet tall.  25 feet sounds like son of Kong or Mighty

Joe Young.

 

 

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Here's a way to bring this around on topic. Let's hear some ideas about how Peter

Jackson could put a POTA moment in the movie.

I know it's too obvious but when Jack sees Kong peeling off the girlies dress in a fit of rage
he shouts "Get your stinking CGI paws off of her you unfeasibly large, damn dirty ape!"

Or...

It looks like there's some kind of Dino stampede in which our band of adventurers get
caught up in... How about having them standing in a cornfield when they first become
aware of it - we see them run and for a few seconds being chased by an invisible enemy

Nahhh, Spielberg did that in JP2

Dave

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In a message dated 6/28/2005 1:19:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

   Jaws was 25 feet long. Maybe Kong's heighth is a tribute to Jaws? - - - Jeff

 

Or perhaps it's the upper limit of growth.

It could be the reason for the enormous size

of Yeti's.  Hybrids tend to lose the growth

regulator gene -- which is why Liger's are

bigger than a Lion and Tiger put together.

It has been speculated that Neanderthals

didn't die out, they were bred out, and that

these Sasquatch relatives were the result.

Hey, if you looked like that you'd probably

head screaming for the hills too!

 

Which leads me to my new band name

about the strange sexual congress that

lead to the birth of such a gargantua.

I call it . . . King Congress!  Passing

idiotic legislation left, right and center

like Godzilla in an electronics shop!

King Congress!  Ripping laws in twain

& trampling constitutional rights under foot!

 

 

KING KONGRESS !!!

 

Coming to a theater near you!

 

 

 

 

 

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Helen, more power to you---you've certainly found out more than I ever
dreamed. Wouldn't it be astonishing if Kelley is our chimp.Good luck
and if you need any help just ask.John, Scrolls.

Maybe at the end(SPOILER WARNING!) he could have three people stood
with their feet on Kong's arm with another guy in the 'smile' pose?
Jackson loves POTA? Now that I didn't know. Anybody got any sort of
links to the guy? John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 6/28/2005 1:19:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

(By the way, I liked in the trailer when Kong said, "Bow your heads!").

 

"Bring me the Spacemonkey!"

 

 

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that's music to my ears, finally we agree on something, coug!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/27/2005 4:57:15 PM Central Standard
Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> > WHERE Taylor or the apes mentioned the nuclear blast
happened in the
> > late 20th century?
> >
>
> They don't... And I'd tend to agree with you that in the original
timeline,
> the apes revolt happened sometime after the year 2500, due to
Cornelius saying
> apes were in servitude for 500 years.

james,

so did those humans die in 1955? because 3955-2000=1955. the
answer is no. after all, cornelius is just a "primitive" archeologist,
i doubt the apes have some chemistry degree.

cornelius and zira ACCELLERATED everything by their only
presences. that's a fact! that's what paul dehn was aiming for.



- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow"

<apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:

> > WHERE Taylor or the apes mentioned the nuclear blast

happened in the

> > late 20th century?
> >
>
> Well Cornelius states that the human remains in the cave are

from 700

> years before the remains of the carnivorous gorillas which were

from

> 1300 years earlier. 1300 + 700 = 2000 years, thus the 20th

Century.

>
> Taylor also calls the Alpha-Omega bome a souvenir from the

20th

> century, not the 26th Century. Also, the visual evidence in

Beneath

> show the ruins of a 20th Century New York.
>
> BTW since we're discussing what is mentioned in the film, can

you quote

> the exact line of dialogue which directly establishes that C&Z

created

> a second timeline.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:

> james,
>
> so did those humans die in 1955? because 3955-2000=1955. the
> answer is no. after all, cornelius is just a "primitive"

archeologist,

> i doubt the apes have some chemistry degree.
>

Cornelius says 'approximately 700 years earlier', but it's what Serling
& Wilson were trying to communicate to the audience which was a 20th
century destruction of human civilization.

> cornelius and zira ACCELLERATED everything by their only
> presences. that's a fact! that's what paul dehn was aiming for.
>

Well Paul Dehn made what he was aiming for clear in a 1972 interview
which is quoted in the book 'The Planet of the Apes Chronicles' by Paul
Woods:
"The whole thing has become a very logical development in the form of a
circle', explained Paul Dehn, 'I have a complete chronology of the time
circle mapped out".

MAybe Kong climbing the Statue of Liberty;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Here's a way to bring this around on topic. Let's hear some ideas
about how Peter Jackson could put a POTA moment in the movie. Since he
also loves POTA, how could he do it without taking people out of the
movie? (By the way, I liked in the trailer when Kong said, "Bow your
heads!"). This thread just occurred to me so I don't have anything to
start it with, but if I think of something I'll post it. - - - Jeff

True but that doesn't really address the issue. If there are two
timelines why does the nuclear war have to take place in conjuntion
with the Ape revolt/takeover. Just because the chain of events shown in
Conquest was Plague/Ape Revolt/Nuclear War doesn't mean they happened
way in another timeline. The chain of events there could have been
Nuclear War/Plague/Ape Takeover.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> That doesn't mean the bomb wasn't around in the 20th Century and
preserved
> all those centuries, including after the 26th Century destruction...
The bomb
> may have been from the 20th Century, but it was never detonated in
the centuries
> following it because it was known to be "The Ultimate Weapon"... As
such,
> other nukes may have been set off, but the final bomb wasn't, and
after the
> "downfall" of Humanity, it came to be worshipped by the surviving
humans (mutants).
> Remember, the Alpha-Omega bomb was made to last, and it lasted from
the time
> it was made up until the 40th Century...