Good to hear that, LT...Sorry, I didn't know you were a Brit...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2005 3:47:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> Hoping our friends in London are okay. My thoughts and prayers are
with you.
> Elaine
>
>
> Mine are in Manchester, but they go to London on business.
> And though I haven't heard from them, they use the computer
> at work. And since they're in television and they don't go to
> work in between projects, not hearing from them for long
> stretches is not usual. Odds are they're alright.

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In a message dated 7/8/2005 9:16:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

You won't...Anywhere...I had a good quality DVD from eBay, and it
doesn't hold a candle to Hunters' version, hands down...

G

Very true...Hunter's set of cartoons were lovingly restored and so much better than any versions I've ever seen or wasted my money on. Now what's this about a "rarities" DVD?

  Bruce

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I agree 100% , Hunters POTA DVD rules, Top quality, he put in a lot of time. Thanks again to Hunter.

 

Tony

 

 

In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:16:00 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

You won't...Anywhere...I had a good quality DVD from eBay, and it
doesn't hold a candle to Hunters' version, hands down...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:

> I'll also go out on a limb here and say that you probably won't find
> better quality. 

 

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Is Hunter working on a rarities DVD? If so that's cool, once again I'm sure that too will be top quality.

 

Tony

 

In a message dated 7/8/2005 6:33:02 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Very true...Hunter's set of cartoons were lovingly restored and so much better than any versions I've ever seen or wasted my money on. Now what's this about a "rarities" DVD?

  Bruce

 

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In a message dated 7/8/2005 8:33:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Now what's this about a "rarities" DVD?

 

I have one of his vids.  Some great stuff on there.

That other guy was going to do one, but went off

to work on his Terminator web site.  His name

escapes me.  He was going to give everyone a

free one.  Never happened.  Hunter gets stuff done.

 

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In a message dated 7/8/2005 8:17:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

Good to hear that, LT...Sorry, I didn't know you were a Brit...=)

 

You don't have to be a Brit to have friends there.

And I'm a bit of a Brit at heart, as well as being

of Welsh/English decent.  Just as I'm Japanese

at heart, if not ethnicity.  Now if I can find a nice

Japanese Bird with a posh accent, I'll be set!

 

 

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Yup, Simian Scrolls is still going my Italian friend! If you email your
postal address to John Roche at mail@... I'll post the
latest issue to you and we'll sort out payment later---how does euros 6
sound? Of course you'll first have to admit that British football is
better than Italian football. John, Scrolls.

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Well as promised here the answer to the Conquest Anniversary Contest. Now the clues were:

 

- A major continuity error that was not part of the script but the fault of the director.

 

- It occurred during Caesar's time at Ape Management.

 

- Watch the extras.

 

When Caesar is brought to the 'Breeding Annex', two guards accompanied him and the 3 gorillas. In the scene on the balcony one guard is white and the other is black.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ConquestContest.jpg

 

When they turn the corner to the cells with the females, the guards are not only different actors but both are white. It is surprizing no one got this because the mistake is so blatant.

 

The prize for this was a Medicom Conquest Caesar. That now goes back in the prize bin and will be added to the prize package for the next contest. (Which will be at the end of the month.)

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----- Original Message -----

From: JamesA1102@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 6:06 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Conquest Anniversary Contest

Well as promised here the answer to the Conquest Anniversary Contest. Now the clues were:

 

- A major continuity error that was not part of the script but the fault of the director.

 

- It occurred during Caesar's time at Ape Management.

 

- Watch the extras.

 

When Caesar is brought to the 'Breeding Annex', two guards accompanied him and the 3 gorillas. In the scene on the balcony one guard is white and the other is black.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ConquestContest.jpg

 

When they turn the corner to the cells with the females, the guards are not only different actors but both are white. It is surprizing no one got this because the mistake is so blatant.

 

The prize for this was a Medicom Conquest Caesar. That now goes back in the prize bin and will be added to the prize package for the next contest. (Which will be at the end of the month.)

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

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No, no. That's from 'The Little Rascals on the Planet of the Apes'. Of
course the best scene in that is when Zaius gave Spanky a lobotomy.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Maybe the black guard was scared by something and turned "white as
a ghost"? - - - Jeff
>

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When they turn the corner to the cells with the females, the guards are not only different actors but both are white. It is surprizing no one got this because the mistake is so blatant.

 

 

Maybe it was more than a corner.

Maybe they went into the building

and there was a changing of the guards.

 

 

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No, no. That's from 'The Little Rascals on the Planet of the Apes'. Of
course the best scene in that is when Zaius gave Spanky a lobotomy.

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I've recently noted that the POTA films seem to have a love-hate
relationship with religion.

In Planet the Apes religion is used as a weapon to hide the truth about the past and subjugate the citizens of Ape City. In Beneath the mythology of religion is mocked with the mutants worshiping a nuclear bomb as their God.

Yet in Escape Armando is protrayed as a deeply religious man who's
kindly actions are in response to his faith in God. Even Hasslein wonders if he is acting as God's 'instrument or enemy'. In Conquest Caesar says that it is God's will to treat humans with compassion. And of course in Battle that Lawgiver involkes God as creator of the world who sent Caesar as a savior.

So there does seem to be a contadiction in the films' opinion of God
& religion. Anyone have any thoughts?

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In a message dated 7/10/2005 3:19:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

So there does seem to be a contadiction in the films' opinion of God
& religion. Anyone have any thoughts?

 

There does seem to be a duality there.

I guess the message is to have faith

but not blind faith.

 

 

 

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There are contradictions in all religions. Why should the ape society
be any different. Create a God in your own image and live happily ever
after. My God can beat up your God.



-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> I've recently noted that the POTA films seem to have a love-hate
> relationship with religion.
>
> In Planet the Apes religion is used as a weapon to hide the truth

about the past and subjugate the citizens of Ape City. In Beneath the
mythology of religion is mocked with the mutants worshiping a nuclear
bomb as their God.

>
> Yet in Escape Armando is protrayed as a deeply religious man who's
> kindly actions are in response to his faith in God. Even Hasslein

wonders if he is acting as God's 'instrument or enemy'. In Conquest
Caesar says that it is God's will to treat humans with compassion. And
of course in Battle that Lawgiver involkes God as creator of the world
who sent Caesar as a savior.

>
> So there does seem to be a contadiction in the films' opinion of God
> & religion. Anyone have any thoughts?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> ... there does seem to be a contadiction in the films' opinion of
> God & religion. Anyone have any thoughts?

Fascinating. Maybe an "evolution" in the films' opinion of God and
religion?

> I've recently noted that the POTA films seem to have a love-hate
> relationship with religion.

I wonder if that is a reflection of our times (during the production
of the films) or theirs (the Apes)?

> In Planet the Apes religion is used as a weapon to hide the truth

about the past and subjugate the citizens of Ape City. In Beneath the
mythology of religion is mocked with the mutants worshiping a nuclear
bomb as their God.

Hmmm. Another argument that they might be "aping" humans? Definitely
a statement about our human society at the time. (Social, political,
etc.)

> Yet in Escape Armando is protrayed as a deeply religious man who's
> kindly actions are in response to his faith in God.

Another reason to love Escape (and Armando)! And look what happens
when Armando follows his faith outside the box! I love it!

> Even Hasslein wonders if he is acting as God's 'instrument or

enemy'.

Yeah. Well, Hasslein has issues of his own to deal with. And he
certainly doesn't show himself as a "man of faith." He freaks at the
thought of what may have happened in the future (did I say that
right?) and certainly isn't willing to accept it.

> In Conquest Caesar says that it is God's will to treat humans with

compassion.

As we should treat our animal friends with compassion.

> And of course in Battle that Lawgiver involkes God as creator of the

world who sent Caesar as a savior.

Definitely "aping" human society. (As some may imagine, I have a
little problem with this, but if anyone wants to explore this idea
further in the context of the film, I'm game.) Patrick has a lot to
say on this subject, and he finds it to be a very pivotal concept. I
think it was presented by the writers as a cheap ripoff story line. I
don't believe it was the original idea when Planet was made in 1968 or
when Boulle wrote the original story.


Helen

One possibility is as the films evolved FOX made them more family
friendly. Thus, the critical viewpoint of religion was replaced by a
more traditional one.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> Fascinating. Maybe an "evolution" in the films' opinion of God and
> religion?
>

You make a good point. All religions speak of peace & love but are
willing to wage holy wars to bring that message to non-believers.

Now that brings up another question. Can the war in Beneath be seen as
a holy war to determine who's God was more powerful?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> There are contradictions in all religions. Why should the ape society
> be any different. Create a God in your own image and live happily
ever
> after. My God can beat up your God.
>
>
>

Good point T. And words to live by.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> There does seem to be a duality there.
> I guess the message is to have faith
> but not blind faith.

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In a message dated 7/10/2005 8:40:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You make a good point. All religions speak of peace & love but are
willing to wage holy wars to bring that message to non-believers.

 

Not mine.

In Tiiism any religion that says death to the non believers

is no religion at all.  That would be like making a religion

for those crazy mothers that say God told me to kill the kids.

 

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My apologies, I should have said many religions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Not mine.
> In Tiiism any religion that says death to the non believers
> is no religion at all. That would be like making a religion
> for those crazy mothers that say God told me to kill the kids.

See... MY God is better than YOUR God. All religions have good and bad
points. Unless you take the parts that fit your life from various
beliefs and make them your own, I don't think any religion has got it
fully right. The apes were just as close as we are to a higher
understanding.

> Not mine.
> In Tiiism any religion that says death to the non believers
> is no religion at all. That would be like making a religion
> for those crazy mothers that say God told me to kill the kids.

Now available on the Downloads page of the Group Website are several
POTA videos:

- The original screen test with Edward G. Robinson.

- The NATO preview for Planet.

- The rate NATO preview for Beneath. (This includes some scenes
deleted from the final film.)

All of these are big files, so they may take some time to download
for those with slower connections (dial-up, DSL).

Also, you no longer have to be a member of the POTA Downloads group
to access all the files on the Download page.

The Downloads group has been converted to the POTA File Archive. The
files section in this group was 98% full. The fact that our files
section was almost at capacity is a tribute to the generosity of
the members of this group.

But measures had to be taken to free up space for new files. Certain
larger and/or older files have now been moved to the File Archive
group. Specifically, The contents of the following folders:

-The Audio folder.
-The Rory's Scans folder.
-The Rare Shots folder.

The empty Audio and Rare Shots folders are still in the Files
Section in case anyone wishes to upload something new to share with
the group.

Also, the files in the Fan Fiction folder have been moved to the
POTA Fan Fiction group.

If anyone that contributed one of these files has an issue with them
being moved, please email me offline. However, the good news is there
now over 10MBs of space in our files section for new files. All the
older files are still accessable in the Files Archive along with
several scanned pages of the Apeslayer comic.

The group website can be accessed via the link on the Yahoo Home
page or directly:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm , the
Downloads page is in the Art & Info section. Our Group website now has a mirror site http://www.freewebs.com/planetoftheapes/ . Everything on the Group site is there but the Downloads page (That will stay exclusive to members here).

The File Archive group can be accessed here:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAFileArchive .

And the Fan Fiction group can be accessed here:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaFanFiction

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In a message dated 7/10/2005 9:13:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

All religions have good and bad points.

 

Nope!  Again Tiiism has only good points.

All bad points have been removed.

 

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It was a beautiful day here in Los Angeles, and so my family and I went
to the beach -- and I had such a great day, I wanted to share it...

I visited Cornelius' digs, the Statue of Liberty site and the Icarus
beaching site...Driving to and from the beach, we went past the Ape
City site, and all the TV show exterior sites...
They still look great, and it's easy to imagine the time when they were
filming the shots there...

G

So! Did you take any photos?

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> It was a beautiful day here in Los Angeles, and so my family and I went
> to the beach -- and I had such a great day, I wanted to share it...
>
> I visited Cornelius' digs, the Statue of Liberty site and the Icarus
> beaching site...Driving to and from the beach, we went past the Ape
> City site, and all the TV show exterior sites...
> They still look great, and it's easy to imagine the time when they were
> filming the shots there...
>
> G

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In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:28:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I visited Cornelius' digs, the Statue of Liberty site and the Icarus
beaching site...Driving to and from the beach, we went past the Ape
City site, and all the TV show exterior sites...
They still look great, and it's easy to imagine the time when they were
filming the shots there...

 

I thought they tore it and the old MASH camp up when they gave the

Fox Ranch back to the Parks Department.  I heard there's nothing left

but old posts & tent pegs,  Even the Amphetheater was dozed and is

nothing but old bits of Gunite, rubble and rebar.  A Wasteland!

Got any pictures???

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> Now that brings up another question. Can the war in Beneath be seen as
> a holy war to determine who's God was more powerful?

Well, the orang-utan 'Minister' certainly viewed it as such. Working from memory he says
something like 'Oh God, Bless our army on this eve of a Holy war!"

Dave

James, that's a fascinating post. Caesar talks about God in the
singular---whose God? Presumably Armando's God, so does that make
Caesar, like me, a Roman Catholic? I don't see any blasphemy in that,
but others might.Would Apes accept and adapt the concept of a human
God? Or did they look to the Lawgiver as prophet whose teachings took
on holy status? Apes always throws up serious issues. John, Scrolls.

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion

In a message dated 7/10/2005 8:40:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You make a good point. All religions speak of peace & love but are
willing to wage holy wars to bring that message to non-believers.

 

Not mine.

In Tiiism any religion that says death to the non believers

is no religion at all.  That would be like making a religion

for those crazy mothers that say God told me to kill the kids.

 

Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...

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From an Eric Greene perspective, the trip across the Forbidden Zone in
"Beneath" could be seen as a trip to the Middle East. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion


> You make a good point. All religions speak of peace & love but are
> willing to wage holy wars to bring that message to non-believers.
>
> Now that brings up another question. Can the war in Beneath be seen as
> a holy war to determine who's God was more powerful?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > There are contradictions in all religions. Why should the ape society
> > be any different. Create a God in your own image and live happily
> ever
> > after. My God can beat up your God.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

I forget who said it but every religion is a different part of the
elephant. I prefer mystery. I'd hate to think God is as crass as we
are. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:09 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion


> See... MY God is better than YOUR God. All religions have good and bad
> points. Unless you take the parts that fit your life from various
> beliefs and make them your own, I don't think any religion has got it
> fully right. The apes were just as close as we are to a higher
> understanding.
>
>
> > Not mine.
> > In Tiiism any religion that says death to the non believers
> > is no religion at all. That would be like making a religion
> > for those crazy mothers that say God told me to kill the kids.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

In "Behind the POTA" the two sides in "Beneath" are actually edited into a
holy war (cutting between the orang minister and the mutant ceremony). But
I'm not sure the apes even know it's humans in the Forbidden Zone until they
get there. It's definitely a holy war from the mutant side. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:35 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion


> You make a good point. All religions speak of peace & love but are
> willing to wage holy wars to bring that message to non-believers.
>
> Now that brings up another question. Can the war in Beneath be seen as
> a holy war to determine who's God was more powerful?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > There are contradictions in all religions. Why should the ape society
> > be any different. Create a God in your own image and live happily
> ever
> > after. My God can beat up your God.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Natalie Trundy is very religious and she says Arthur Jacobs was. The St.
Francis aspect of "Escape" was definitely their influence. But there were
many cooks. I think the ambiguity of the many aspects - - religion,
politics, good guys and bad guys - - is what keeps me coming back,
especially when movies these days are so one-note and politically
correct. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:38 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion


> One possibility is as the films evolved FOX made them more family
> friendly. Thus, the critical viewpoint of religion was replaced by a
> more traditional one.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Fascinating. Maybe an "evolution" in the films' opinion of God and
> > religion?
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hmmm. Are mutants humans? Sounds like it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> ...It's definitely a holy war from the mutant side. - - - Jeff
>

It makes complete sense that Caesar would accept/adopt Armando's
beliefs. Somewhere, though, even those beliefs mutated if the
lawgiver (ape) becomes "creator" in the evolved ape's belief system
later on down the road.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> James, that's a fascinating post. Caesar talks about God in the
> singular---whose God? Presumably Armando's God, so does that make
> Caesar, like me, a Roman Catholic? I don't see any blasphemy in
that,
> but others might.Would Apes accept and adapt the concept of a human
> God? Or did they look to the Lawgiver as prophet whose teachings
took
> on holy status? Apes always throws up serious issues. John, Scrolls.

Wow, John. That's deep. When does human culture end and ape culture begin?
Did Caesar believe in a human God? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 4:09 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion


> James, that's a fascinating post. Caesar talks about God in the
> singular---whose God? Presumably Armando's God, so does that make
> Caesar, like me, a Roman Catholic? I don't see any blasphemy in that,
> but others might.Would Apes accept and adapt the concept of a human
> God? Or did they look to the Lawgiver as prophet whose teachings took
> on holy status? Apes always throws up serious issues. John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original POTA One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

Ah, yes, but isn't it a forbidden pilgrimage at best?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> From an Eric Greene perspective, the trip across the Forbidden
Zone in
> "Beneath" could be seen as a trip to the Middle East. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 6:35 PM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: POTA & Religion
>
>
> > You make a good point. All religions speak of peace & love but
are
> > willing to wage holy wars to bring that message to non-believers.
> >
> > Now that brings up another question. Can the war in Beneath be
seen as
> > a holy war to determine who's God was more powerful?
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > > There are contradictions in all religions. Why should the ape
society
> > > be any different. Create a God in your own image and live
happily
> > ever
> > > after. My God can beat up your God.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
POTA One
> Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
much, much
> more...
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> I think the ambiguity of the many aspects - - religion,
> politics, good guys and bad guys - - is what keeps me coming back,
> especially when movies these days are so one-note and politically
> correct. - - - Jeff
>

Exactly! (I was looking for that word earlier, but, along with
memory, word retrieval has left the building.)

Definitely religion plays a huge part in the story -- hence, the
Lawgiver. It's interesting that it wasn't explored more. I like how
there is so much present in the films, but it is just kind of "on the
plate" and not "in your face."

Helen

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Did Caesar believe in a human God? I think that, as an intelligent
being,Caesar would probably have got to the stage where most people are
nowadays, namely that God is not some white haired old guy but some
sort of entity embodying a set of values/morals.I think if Caesar was
brought up by a clearly devout guy like Armando, those beliefs would
have been well taught---the guy had a religious medal round his neck
almost from birth.This really is a deep debate, but an excellent
topic.I'm not saying that a Catholic Caesar would necessarily be a good
thing--Hitler was proof of that.If these Apes have souls, 'the divine
spark', then they must have some instinctive feelings towards
religion.With Armando in the background I think my answer would be yes,
Caesar worshipped a human God, and invoked that God at the climax of
Conquest.John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 7/11/2005 7:11:52 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mail@... writes:

so does that make Caesar, like me, a Roman Catholic? I don't see any blasphemy in that, but others might

 

"I don't have to listen to you!  You're a dog!  You don't have a soul!"

 

"Ouch!"

 

~~~ Chris & Brian from Family Guy ~~~~

 

 

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In a message dated 7/11/2005 7:12:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

   I forget who said it but every religion is a different part of the
elephant. I prefer mystery. I'd hate to think God is as crass as we
are. - - - Jeff

Me me me.

 

I agree.  What makes anyone think God wants to be understood?

I think the holy men of all cultures latch on to whatever part of

that divine truth that they can perceive.  The rest is just made

up and tacked on.  No meat on Friday?  Please!  No offense

intended, but tat's not from God. That's somebody's nonsense. 

 

"Remember when it was a sin to eat meat on Friday, and then it wasn't?

What happened to all those people who ate meat when it was a sin?

Did they go to hell, or what?  I mean it's mad!"

   ~~~Ardal O'Hanlon as Father Dougal McGuire from Father Ted~~~~

 

"I don't wanna knock anyone's religion, but . . ."

   ~~~George Harrison of The Beatles from HELP~~~~

 

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You know, I thought about that when I was there *duh!*...I will take
pics next time I go and post them...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> So! Did you take any photos?
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > It was a beautiful day here in Los Angeles, and so my family and I
went
> > to the beach -- and I had such a great day, I wanted to share it...
> >
> > I visited Cornelius' digs, the Statue of Liberty site and the
Icarus
> > beaching site...Driving to and from the beach, we went past the Ape
> > City site, and all the TV show exterior sites...
> > They still look great, and it's easy to imagine the time when they
were
> > filming the shots there...
> >
> > G

Again, I'll take some next time I go...It's only an hour away from
where I live...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/11/2005 2:28:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
> I visited Cornelius' digs, the Statue of Liberty site and the
Icarus
> beaching site...Driving to and from the beach, we went past the
Ape
> City site, and all the TV show exterior sites...
> They still look great, and it's easy to imagine the time when they
were
> filming the shots there...
>
>
>
>
> I thought they tore it and the old MASH camp up when they gave the
> Fox Ranch back to the Parks Department. I heard there's nothing
left
> but old posts & tent pegs, Even the Amphetheater was dozed and is
> nothing but old bits of Gunite, rubble and rebar. A Wasteland!
> Got any pictures???

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In a message dated 7/11/2005 8:06:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

Again, I'll take some next time I go...It's only an hour away from
where I live...

 

So what's left out there?

Anything identifiable?

Ape wise or MASH wise?

Or is it just a park?

 

 

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Ir's pretty much just a park...I'll see what I can do about pictures...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/11/2005 8:06:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
> Again, I'll take some next time I go...It's only an hour away from
> where I live...
>
>
>
> So what's left out there?
> Anything identifiable?
> Ape wise or MASH wise?
> Or is it just a park?

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But with POTA making as much as it did dont you think Fox will see $$$$ signs and go back to another ape flick soon?

 

Tony

 

In a message dated 7/11/2005 12:27:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

1. "Spiderman 2" - - - $88 million

   2. "Austin Powers in Goldmember" - - - $73 million

   3. POTA2001 - - - $68 million

   4. "War of the Worlds" - - - $64 million

   5. "Fantastic 4" - - - $56 million

   6. "X-Men" - - - $54 million

           - - - Jeff - - - priceless

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: kidro85@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 11, 2005 8:38 PM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] July openings

But with POTA making as much as it did dont you think Fox will see $$$$ signs and go back to another ape flick soon?

 

Tony

 

In a message dated 7/11/2005 12:27:58 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

1. "Spiderman 2" - - - $88 million

   2. "Austin Powers in Goldmember" - - - $73 million

   3. POTA2001 - - - $68 million

   4. "War of the Worlds" - - - $64 million

   5. "Fantastic 4" - - - $56 million

   6. "X-Men" - - - $54 million

           - - - Jeff - - - priceless

 

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 12:14:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

But with POTA making as much as it did dont you think Fox will see $$$$ signs and go back to another ape flick soon?

 

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Jeff, Natalie was one of the few constants in the later Apes films and
it's really interesting to hear about her and Jacobs influencing the
religion aspect of Escape. Is there a case for maybe viewing Natalie's
input on the Apes movies as being more important than she's generally
given credit for? John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 12:46:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

Ir's pretty much just a park...

 

Yeah, that's what I heard.

I think the last person who

had pics was of some concrete

where something used to be.

 

 

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The religion idea is one that i've only thought about since James
started this thread, but it's definitely another major aspect of the
whole Apes mythos.I really like the idea of Beneath being a 'Holy War'
with mad humans defending the icon of their race, a Bomb, and Apes
defending a culture that, ultimately, might be based on Armando's
teaching of Caesar.These films just have layer after layer, without
necessarily trumpeting the fact.Unlike most modern 'blockbusters', the
Apes scripts ask us to do a little bit of work if we want to see a
message, rather than ramming the message down our throats.That's why
these films are so damn good.John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 12:14:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time, kidro85@... writes:

But with POTA making as much as it did dont you think Fox will see $$$$ signs and go back to another ape flick soon?

I dunno.  You may be giving them too much credit in the old Brain Box.

That depends on what you mean by soon.  Sooner than 30 years?

Yeah, probably.

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:

> Did Caesar believe in a human God? I think that, as an intelligent
> being,Caesar would probably have got to the stage where most people are
> nowadays, namely that God is not some white haired old guy but some
> sort of entity embodying a set of values/morals.

John,

There was a line cut out from the original movie (much to Kim Hunter's dismay) which
adds some wieght to the idea of a common diety crossing the species barrier. It's from the
'kiss' scene...

TAYLOR
Dr. Zira, I'd like to kiss you good-bye.

ZIRA
All right, but.... (tears in her eyes) ...you're so damned ugly!

Taylor smiles, leans down, kisses her.

ZIRA (softly)
Go with God, Taylor. (half smile) That's an old expression. it comes from both ape and
man.

Dave

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 3:42:36 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

The question is: do we want another one? Fox sucks! - - - Jeff

True.

But on the other hand they have made some of my favorite flicks.

It's a love / hate them.  If Fox were stupid enough to sell the

franchise, who would you like to see pick it up?

 

 

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No, not beyond the usual wifey influence. She pretty much stayed out of it
beyond the acting. She was happy just being rich. Though she took a pay cut
so Montalban could do "Conquest". She was more into their musicals. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "shanter2002" <mail@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 12:37 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Natalie and Arthur


> Jeff, Natalie was one of the few constants in the later Apes films and
> it's really interesting to hear about her and Jacobs influencing the
> religion aspect of Escape. Is there a case for maybe viewing Natalie's
> input on the Apes movies as being more important than she's generally
> given credit for? John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I'd like to see a new Apes film, whether Burton or classic style.I
think any new film has a built in safety net with the critics,
because they pasted the last one so badly they'll be smug enough to
praise the next one, just to show how right they were with the first
one! A new movie would be a wonderful boost.The last one really kick
started some releases of material and I'm greedy enough to want lots
more.Isn'y anybody at least a little bit curious to see how Thade
became Lincoln? John, Scrolls.

>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website

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Dave, well remembered--I'd forgotten that, but it's absolutely on the
money.These five films lock together like a self perpetuating jig-saw,
with an almost creepy foresight as to what arises in the other films.I
think that Ape culture adapted human culture---I've always hated
Boulle's idea that the Apes just copied humans, because that just makes
it about Man, not Apes.Serling, Wilson and Dehn gave us a whole
civilisation, from beginning to end and we still only know about bits
of it, just like our own.John,Scrolls.

Well, now I have your attention check this out:

<http://www.genetics-and-society.org/newsdisp.asp?id=753>

Dave

I thought the new movie was great - the design,
direction, set, makeup and effects were stellar, the
actors did well. The story wasn;t as philosophical as
the classic movies, but i didn;t mind. I certainly
thought it was a great start for a series, and that
series should be continued!

BTW, I'm new around these here parts, found it by way
of Hunter's site - this is a great community, thanks
for having me!

--- shanter2002 <mail@...> wrote:

> I'd like to see a new Apes film, whether Burton or
> classic style.I
> think any new film has a built in safety net with
> the critics,
> because they pasted the last one so badly they'll be
> smug enough to
> praise the next one, just to show how right they
> were with the first
> one! A new movie would be a wonderful boost.The last
> one really kick
> started some releases of material and I'm greedy
> enough to want lots
> more.Isn'y anybody at least a little bit curious to
> see how Thade
> became Lincoln? John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
>

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I thought the new movie was great - the design,
direction, set, makeup and effects were stellar, the
actors did well.  The story wasn;t as philosophical as
the classic movies, but i didn;t mind.  I certainly
thought it was a great start for a series, and that
series should be continued!

BTW, I'm new around these here parts, found it by way
of Hunter's site - this is a great community, thanks
for having me!

--- shanter2002 <mail@...> wrote:

> I'd like to see a  new Apes film, whether Burton or
> classic style.I
> think any new film has a built in safety net with
> the critics,
> because they pasted the last one so badly they'll be
> smug enough to
> praise the next one, just to show how right they
> were with the first
> one! A new movie would be a wonderful boost.The last
> one really kick
> started some releases of material and I'm greedy
> enough to want lots
> more.Isn'y anybody at least a little bit curious to
> see how Thade
> became Lincoln? John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >   Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
>
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In a message dated 7/8/2005 8:33:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Now what's this about a "rarities" DVD?

 

I have one of his vids.  Some great stuff on there.

That other guy was going to do one, but went off

to work on his Terminator web site.  His name

escapes me.  He was going to give everyone a

free one.  Never happened. 

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I thought the new movie was great - the design,
direction, set, makeup and effects were stellar, the
actors did well.  The story wasn;t as philosophical as
the classic movies, but i didn;t mind.  I certainly
thought it was a great start for a series, and that
series should be continued!

BTW, I'm new around these here parts, found it by way
of Hunter's site - this is a great community, thanks
for having me!

 

  Welcome to the group! I also enjoyed pota 2001 and just would have liked more character development in the movie. Elaine

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 4:45:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, dave@... writes:

ZIRA     (softly)
Go with God, Taylor. (half smile) That's an old expression. it comes from both ape and
man.

 

I have to agree with the cut.

How would her character know that?

 

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 3:50:42 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mail@... writes:

These films just have layer after layer, without
necessarily trumpeting the fact.

That's what I liked about them.

They had a lot to say about life in general.

Whether religion, politics, society, love, war you name it!

It's in there.

 

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Exactly. She'd have to know at least part of the secret about the
history of man and ape in order to know that.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/12/2005 4:45:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> dave@4... writes:
>
> ZIRA (softly)
> Go with God, Taylor. (half smile) That's an old expression. it
comes from
> both ape and
> man.
>
>
>
>
> I have to agree with the cut.
> How would her character know that?

Thanks James for doing all this...it's a tremendous
amount of work! Altho I stil can't open any of the
video files...I have Windows Media 9 but when I try to
open them it says "playlist format is not
recognized"....I do have a Mac so I'm wondering if any
other mac users have this trouble.

Tim


--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Now available on the Downloads page of the Group
> Website are several
> POTA videos:
>
> - The original screen test with Edward G. Robinson.
>
> - The NATO preview for Planet.
>
> - The rate NATO preview for Beneath. (This includes
> some scenes
> deleted from the final film.)
>
> All of these are big files, so they may take some
> time to download
> for those with slower connections (dial-up, DSL).
>
> Also, you no longer have to be a member of the POTA
> Downloads group
> to access all the files on the Download page.
>
> The Downloads group has been converted to the POTA
> File Archive. The
> files section in this group was 98% full. The fact
> that our files
> section was almost at capacity is a tribute to the
> generosity of
> the members of this group.
>
> But measures had to be taken to free up space for
> new files. Certain
> larger and/or older files have now been moved to the
> File Archive
> group. Specifically, The contents of the following
> folders:
>
> -The Audio folder.
> -The Rory's Scans folder.
> -The Rare Shots folder.
>
> The empty Audio and Rare Shots folders are still in
> the Files
> Section in case anyone wishes to upload something
> new to share with
> the group.
>
> Also, the files in the Fan Fiction folder have been
> moved to the
> POTA Fan Fiction group.
>
> If anyone that contributed one of these files has an
> issue with them
> being moved, please email me offline. However, the
> good news is there
> now over 10MBs of space in our files section for new
> files. All the
> older files are still accessable in the Files
> Archive along with
> several scanned pages of the Apeslayer comic.
>
> The group website can be accessed via the link on
> the Yahoo Home
> page or directly:
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

> , the
> Downloads page is in the Art & Info section. Our
> Group website now has a mirror site
> http://www.freewebs.com/planetoftheapes/ .
> Everything on the Group site is there but the
> Downloads page (That will stay exclusive to members
> here).
>
> The File Archive group can be accessed here:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAFileArchive
> .
>
> And the Fan Fiction group can be accessed here:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaFanFiction
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 1:43:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

Hunter gets stuff done."

 

**********in terms of fan-produced video productions, getting stuff done is a "rarity" 

 

the battle and return dvds are awesome!!!

I have both and watch them often.

  Bruce

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Tim,

You're not the first Mac user to have this problem. As an experiment I
converted the Battle Alpha-Omega Bomb video to a MPEG file.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/AlphaOmega.htm
Take a look and let me know if you can view the video. If you can let
me know and I'll start converting the rest of the video files to MPEGs.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> Thanks James for doing all this...it's a tremendous
> amount of work! Altho I stil can't open any of the
> video files...I have Windows Media 9 but when I try to
> open them it says "playlist format is not
> recognized"....I do have a Mac so I'm wondering if any
> other mac users have this trouble.
>
> Tim
>

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 12:43:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

**********in terms of fan-produced video productions, getting stuff done is a "rarity" 

 

Whatever happened to Al?

 

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> the battle and return dvds are awesome!!!

I'm glad you're all enjoying them!

I am gathering clips for a rarities DVD, but it's been on the back
burner while I get some other, non-Apes projects out of the way. I
hope to get to the rarities DVD in the next month or so.

Hunter

I don't know...The human character action figures had more range of
emotion and facial expression than the human actors...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> i guess i could kind of agree...
> every thing was great except for the story.
> although the action figures were pretty bad.
> rob/ron

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What if, instead of internal human organs, Zanjani's sheep sported recognizably human parts on the outside -- human limbs or genitals, for instance, ready for transplant should the need arise?

 

 

Dean "Hey Hank! I got emergency surgery. My testes spun around"

Hank "Did the doc see that creepy dog dork of yours?"

Dr. Venture "Hank don't brag to your brother about your circumcision."

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 10:00:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

I am gathering clips for a rarities DVD, but it's been on the back
burner while I get some other, non-Apes projects out of the way.  I
hope to get to the rarities DVD in the next month or so.

 

How much for a boxed set?

Return / Rarities / Extended Battle

 

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Hunter, when it's ready, I WANT ONE!!! I'm looking forward to this
already.John, Scrolls.

Elaine, maybe there's also a difference between Caesar's own private,
personal beliefs,and the belief system he thinks is best for his
people.Maybe, regardless of his faith, he thinks a more recognisably
Ape religion will be easier for his people to accept and
follow.There's been many a King of England who had to project one
religion whilst following another.Maybe Caesar's rages in both films
indicate an internal struggle---his life is turned upside down
shortly after that helicopter lands.I'm looking at Caesar in a whole
new light since this thread started! John, Scrolls.

> > >
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much,

> much
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>
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POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers &

> Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links

When I clicked on your new link it took me to the page
where the message "Please wait while video loads" and
I waited 15 minutes or so and it didn't seem to be
doing anything....Then I copied the URL address and
pasted it into the players address window and it told
me that the "URL was not valid" on Quicktime and
Windows Media says "the playlist format is not
recognized". I don't know what the problem is.Thanks
for trying tho!! Have been wanting to see Roddy and
Carol for a long time!

Tim

--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> Tim,
>
> You're not the first Mac user to have this problem.
> As an experiment I
> converted the Battle Alpha-Omega Bomb video to a
> MPEG file.
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/AlphaOmega.htm

> Take a look and let me know if you can view the
> video. If you can let
> me know and I'll start converting the rest of the
> video files to MPEGs.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks James for doing all this...it's a
> tremendous
> > amount of work! Altho I stil can't open any of the
> > video files...I have Windows Media 9 but when I
> try to
> > open them it says "playlist format is not
> > recognized"....I do have a Mac so I'm wondering if
> any
> > other mac users have this trouble.
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

I use a Mac. All you have to do is view the source to look for http://
www.mediamercenary.com/POTAimages/Video/AlphaOmega.mpeg
Cut and paste and enjoy.
How many Mac users do we have in here?

Mark

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Tim,
>
> You're not the first Mac user to have this problem. As an experiment I
> converted the Battle Alpha-Omega Bomb video to a MPEG file.
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/AlphaOmega.htm
> Take a look and let me know if you can view the video. If you can let
> me know and I'll start converting the rest of the video files to MPEGs.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > Thanks James for doing all this...it's a tremendous
> > amount of work! Altho I stil can't open any of the
> > video files...I have Windows Media 9 but when I try to
> > open them it says "playlist format is not
> > recognized"....I do have a Mac so I'm wondering if any
> > other mac users have this trouble.
> >
> > Tim
> >

I've tried that many times mark and it doesn't
work...maybe it's just my computer

--- Mark <rkid67@...> wrote:

> I use a Mac. All you have to do is view the source
> to look for http://
>

www.mediamercenary.com/POTAimages/Video/AlphaOmega.mpeg

> Cut and paste and enjoy.
> How many Mac users do we have in here?
>
> Mark
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > You're not the first Mac user to have this
> problem. As an experiment I
> > converted the Battle Alpha-Omega Bomb video to a
> MPEG file.
> >
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/AlphaOmega.htm

> > Take a look and let me know if you can view the
> video. If you can let
> > me know and I'll start converting the rest of the
> video files to MPEGs.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > > Thanks James for doing all this...it's a
> tremendous
> > > amount of work! Altho I stil can't open any of
> the
> > > video files...I have Windows Media 9 but when I
> try to
> > > open them it says "playlist format is not
> > > recognized"....I do have a Mac so I'm wondering
> if any
> > > other mac users have this trouble.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
>
>
>
>
>

Please,

from what movie does it came from? have you some larger
version? if you do, please upload it somewhere...

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In a message dated 7/13/2005 10:38:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

I've tried that many times mark and it doesn't
work...maybe it's just my computer

Don't forget when you save it as a target

you have to open it from that file.  So

remember that name and what file you

saved it in.

 

 

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Clearly there are reasons for omitting that line.

How can Zira claim that "Go with God" is both an ape and man
expression? If she means Taylor (a man), then we need a scene in
which he actually says the words in her presence. Going on memory
here, but I don't believe there is any such dialogue.

But of course since all the other humans in the movie do not speak,
she could not have heard it from them, eh!

I suspect that that there may have been another scene cut.

(I REALLY have to read all those script variants some day.)

Dario

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> > Did Caesar believe in a human God? I think that, as an
intelligent
> > being,Caesar would probably have got to the stage where most
people are
> > nowadays, namely that God is not some white haired old guy but
some
> > sort of entity embodying a set of values/morals.
>
> John,
>
> There was a line cut out from the original movie (much to Kim
Hunter's dismay) which
> adds some wieght to the idea of a common diety crossing the
species barrier. It's from the
> 'kiss' scene...
>
> TAYLOR
> Dr. Zira, I'd like to kiss you good-bye.
>
> ZIRA
> All right, but.... (tears in her eyes) ...you're so damned ugly!
>
> Taylor smiles, leans down, kisses her.
>
> ZIRA (softly)
> Go with God, Taylor. (half smile) That's an old expression. it
comes from both ape and
> man.
>
> Dave

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In a message dated 7/12/2005 11:00:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

I am gathering clips for a rarities DVD, but it's been on the back
burner while I get some other, non-Apes projects out of the way.  I
hope to get to the rarities DVD in the next month or so.

Hunter

Let us know when it's ready...I'm reserving a copy now!

Bruce

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In a message dated 7/13/2005 5:08:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Windows Media says "the playlist format is not
recognized". I don't know what the problem is.

 

I had a similar problem.

The way I got around it was to

right-click on it and save as target.

Then play that.  I find that usually

works for vids with play problems.

 

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Elaine, maybe there's also a difference between Caesar's own private,
personal beliefs,and the belief system he thinks is best for his
people.Maybe, regardless of his faith, he thinks a more recognisably
Ape religion will be easier for his people to accept and
follow.There's been many a King of England who had to project one
religion whilst following another.Maybe Caesar's rages in both films
indicate an internal struggle---his life is turned upside down
shortly after that helicopter lands.I'm looking at Caesar in a whole
new light since this thread started! John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 

  I think you are probably right. Caesar has the intelligence to realize that his own personal

  beliefs may not be right for most of the apes who participated in the revolt. Starting a new  

  civilization may require the apes to have certain religious beliefs to get things going. I am 

  sure Caesar's internal struggles affect his belief system, especially when Aldo proves that

  apes aren't any better than humans. Elaine

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I uploaded the pic to the files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/test.jpg
It's a screen grab from the Behind documentary, I think it was an early
costume & make-up test.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
> Please,
>
> from what movie does it came from? have you some larger
> version? if you do, please upload it somewhere...

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In a message dated 7/13/2005 3:35:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ev001@... writes:

I suspect that that there may have been another scene cut.

 

A number of scenes were cut. The scene where the gorilla

checkpoint stops the wagon and Zira claims the humans

have plague and the scene where Zira tells Taylor that

Nova is pregnant come to mind.

 

 

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Reading Empire magazine's feature on James Bond(July 2005) there's a
line 'Movies,since the day they were born,have been divided into those
that lift us up and away from our humdrum lives, and those that try to
interpret and diagnose the difficulties of our existence'.Isn't that
the magic of Apes, as it does both? John, Scrolls.

Macs don't have a right or left click! Just one big
one!

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/13/2005 5:08:39 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Windows Media says "the playlist format is not
> recognized". I don't know what the problem is.
>
>
>
> I had a similar problem.
> The way I got around it was to
> right-click on it and save as target.
> Then play that. I find that usually
> works for vids with play problems.
>
>

I know about the other cut scenes. But what I meant to say was that
there was probably a specific scene (or part of one) in which Taylor
DID say "Go with God" (or something to that effect) and when it was
cut out, they then had to cut Zira's portion later in the film to
since it no longer made sense. Kind of like a domino effect.

But going back to the other known cut scenes you mentioned, has any of
it survived? I've always wished I could see that Nova pregnancy
revelation scene. To me, it was always considered as one of the few
scenes that tie (or try to tie) back in with Boulle's initial novel in
which Ulysse (Taylor) has a son. I've often wondered if that was
originally filmed with the intention of later making a sequel with a
grown up kid or "The Further Adventures of the Taylor Family on the
Planet of the Apes".

Dario

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/13/2005 3:35:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> ev001@n... writes:
>
> I suspect that that there may have been another scene cut.
>
>
>
> A number of scenes were cut. The scene where the gorilla
> checkpoint stops the wagon and Zira claims the humans
> have plague and the scene where Zira tells Taylor that
> Nova is pregnant come to mind.

Maybe she meant it as in "God loves all creatures
great and small"

Tim

--- Dario <ev001@...> wrote:

> Clearly there are reasons for omitting that line.
>
> How can Zira claim that "Go with God" is both an ape
> and man
> expression? If she means Taylor (a man), then we
> need a scene in
> which he actually says the words in her presence.
> Going on memory
> here, but I don't believe there is any such
> dialogue.
>
> But of course since all the other humans in the
> movie do not speak,
> she could not have heard it from them, eh!
>
> I suspect that that there may have been another
> scene cut.
>
> (I REALLY have to read all those script variants
> some day.)
>
> Dario
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...>
> wrote:
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002"
> <mail@m...> wrote:
> > > Did Caesar believe in a human God? I think that,
> as an
> intelligent
> > > being,Caesar would probably have got to the
> stage where most
> people are
> > > nowadays, namely that God is not some white
> haired old guy but
> some
> > > sort of entity embodying a set of values/morals.
> >
> > John,
> >
> > There was a line cut out from the original movie
> (much to Kim
> Hunter's dismay) which
> > adds some wieght to the idea of a common diety
> crossing the
> species barrier. It's from the
> > 'kiss' scene...
> >
> > TAYLOR
> > Dr. Zira, I'd like to kiss you good-bye.
> >
> > ZIRA
> > All right, but.... (tears in her eyes) ...you're
> so damned ugly!
> >
> > Taylor smiles, leans down, kisses her.
> >
> > ZIRA (softly)
> > Go with God, Taylor. (half smile) That's an old
> expression. it
> comes from both ape and
> > man.
> >
> > Dave
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 7/14/2005 11:54:01 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ev001@... writes:

what I meant to say was that
there was probably a specific scene (or part of one) in which Taylor
DID say "Go with God" (or something to that effect) and when it was
cut out, they then had to cut Zira's portion later in the film to
since it no longer made sense. Kind of like a domino effect.

I'll have to dig out my copy of the script to see what's actually there.

As for the cut scenes they probably ended up lost in a salt mine

with the rest of Foxes film archives or swept out from the cutting

floor.  I've only ever seen stills of those scenes.  And if Fox knew

exactly where to lay their hands on them, no doubt they would be on

the DVD extras.

 

 

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