--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Glen who? Does he live out there?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> I'm going to be using one of those pictures in another thing I'm
preparing on
> the last shots in PLANET.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> I've closely studied pictures of McDowall in PLANET and the sequels,
and I
> don't think it's the same sculpt, not even in ESCAPE.
>
> I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I'll study on it some more
and
> report back later.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> >
> Glen who? Does he live out there?
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> A good test would be to take similar headshots
> mask off the hair and see if the members can
> tell the difference. They can't be recognizable
> photos though. Some pics I can spot by expression.

Roddy always maintained that his Cornelius and Caesar make-ups were
exactly the same mold. The real difference was in his performance.
Either way I like the new head sculpt of Caesar. Makes him look more
fierce.

 He definately looks like a rebel. Elaine

/

> Um, actually, I took those pictures -- and the
> Malibu Creek park
> shots that James will put in the files as he
> can...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > Those are cool! Did you take them James? I want to
> go
> > there...It would be like deja vu........
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > --- James <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks to Glen, there is now a folder with
> several
> > > high quality pics of
> > > the Point Dume beach where the end of Planet was
> > > filmed.
> > >
> > > They can be found in the Files section in the
> folder
> > > named PointDume:
> > >
> >
>

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

In my humble opinion the new Caesar is an excellent sculpt, possibly
the best yet in a really good series.They've caught that bare  forehead
strip thing that Caesar has in Conquest and he looks ready to rumble.I
think it's a beauty.John, Scrolls.

   He definately looks ready to rumble. Elaine

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> I think I read somewhere that they made a different
> sculpt for Caesar
> and Galen, making different characters from
> Cornelius...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> > I've closely studied pictures of McDowall in
> PLANET and the sequels,
> and I
> > don't think it's the same sculpt, not even in
> ESCAPE.
> >
> > I could be wrong, but I don't think so. I'll
> study on it some more
> and
> > report back later.
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>

> In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:51:03 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> > Roddy always maintained that his Cornelius and
> Caesar make-ups were
> > exactly the same mold. The real difference was in
> his performance.
> > Either way I like the new head sculpt of Caesar.
> Makes him look more
> > fierce.
> >
>
> Well, this was a case of Roddy being wrong... A side
> by side comparison will
> show big differences between the two. Caesar had a
> higher forehead for one
> thing, not to mention his hair pieces were too
> long... And there's even
> differences between Cornelius as he appeared in
> PLANET and ESCAPE... He can say all he
> wanted to about the performances, but there WAS
> differences in the make-ups...
>

> In my humble opinion the new Caesar is an excellent sculpt, possibly
> the best yet in a really good series.They've caught that bare

> strip thing that Caesar has in Conquest and he looks ready to

> think it's a beauty.John, Scrolls.

> What does everyone think of this article?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> What does everyone think of this article? It's kind of POTA
related to the
> real world.
>
> Let's Have No More Monkey Trials
> To teach faith as science is to undermine both
>
> by Charles Krauthammer, Time Magazine
>
> The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion
from public
> life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with
the A.C.L.U.
> kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a
new balance.
> State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of
student religious
> groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are
permitted on
> government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major
antipoverty
> initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of
the closet.
>
>
> But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary
restoration than
> the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most
particularly
> evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas,
conservative
> school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards
for teaching
> evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild,
intelligent design,
> infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are
already in place in
> Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to
second the
> evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of
the blue
> appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna,
a man very close
> to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution
by John Paul
> II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church
rejects
> "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided
evolutionary process--one that
> falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot
exist."
>
> Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most
powerful
> and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of
all modern
> biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--
that it is driven
> by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and
shaping the
> process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of
faith. If he and
> the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent
design be
> included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The
scandal is to teach
> this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement
of faith is a
> defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again
defend human
> reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the
appearance of
> design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not
scientific at
> all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason
begins with
> recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is
science.
> But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science.
Science begins
> not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.
>
> In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a
direct
> descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and
astronomer David Fabricius,
> who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical
planetary
> orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason
must reject
> anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you
abolish the
> circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me
increasingly absurd
> the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho
Brahe's
> most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had
empirically
> demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.
>
> This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over
the past
> four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own
independent sphere.
> What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces
of religion.
> This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution,
they therefore
> must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.
>
> How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"?
There are gaps
> in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity?
There were gaps
> in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's
revisions.
> There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and
quantum
> theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is
certainly not science
> to merely declare it so.
>
>
> To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of
science, which is
> the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis,
experimentation and
> evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious
caricature of
> America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach
it as science
> is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the
public
> expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from
every mountaintop and
> city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on
the teaching
> of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
>
> It's really a question of tolerance. I don't understand at all why
some
> religious people have a problem with evolution. Is it that it might
lead the
> minds of children astray? Are the messages of religion so weak?
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> My son (now 11) attends a Catholic school. A few weeks back he came home and I could
> tell something was bothering him. Turns out that day he had a Religious Education lesson
> immediatly followed by a Science lesson. In the first lesson they were teaching him all
> about Genesis and in the second all about the Big Bang. he came home feeling guilty
> because he believed the Big Bang was more likely and thought he was going to get into
> trouble if he said so.
>
> I told him that different people believe different things and that's to be encouraged.
>
> It's the same with POTA
>
> Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> Well, I'm going to ask Sideshow to do more and to consider doing the TV
> Series Zaius, who has never been done as far as I know, and Urko,
> because he's cool.The Sideshow figures are, I think, the best figures
> Apes has had.The accessories are excellent and they are quality
> products.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> Thanks Glen! I'm jealous!!
>
> --- hotscheetz <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> > Um, actually, I took those pictures -- and the
> > Malibu Creek park
> > shots that James will put in the files as he
> > can...=)
> >
> > G
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> > <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > > Those are cool! Did you take them James? I want to
> > go
> > > there...It would be like deja vu........
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- James <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks to Glen, there is now a folder with
> > several
> > > > high quality pics of
> > > > the Point Dume beach where the end of Planet was
> > > > filmed.
> > > >
> > > > They can be found in the Files section in the
> > folder
> > > > named PointDume:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PointDume/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

This reminds me of Zaius' line in Planet; 'There is no contradiction
between faith & science, true science". Of course he has it backward
and it should be 'true faith'.

If you have true faith you can accept science and not be threatened by
it.

---

    That's pretty much what always believed. I never saw the theory of evolution as contradictory to having faith.  Elaine
>
>
> 

> 'I'd love to see a Sideshow Urko too.'--the address to write to is

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> It just seems some fundamentalist Christians
> will not accept evolution. They are however
> perfectly willing to accept magic, as long as
> it's from God. What's more magical than
> creation is what I'd like to know. Hell, I
> evolve on a daily basis. What makes them
> think life is static? It's like Devo said.
>
> God made man
> But he used the monkey to do it
> Apes in the plan
> We're all here to prove it
> I can walk like an ape
> Talk like an ape
> I can do what a monkey can do
> God made man
> But a monkey supplied the glue

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> This reminds me of Zaius' line in Planet; 'There is no
contradiction
> between faith & science, true science". Of course he has it
backward
> and it should be 'true faith'.
>
> If you have true faith you can accept science and not be
threatened by
> it.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Get up there were the gorillas were shooting at Taylor.
>
> -- Rory (who hasn't yet worked on the stuff I want to do yet -- too
busy)

> That is one of the places I plan to get some shots from...
>
> G
>

> In a message dated 8/3/05 9:22:51 PM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
>
> > That is one of the places I plan to get some shots
> from...
> >
> > G
> >
>
> Great. When do you plan to get out there again? I
> believe the 38th
> Anniversary of the last day of shooting on PLANET is
> August 10th.
>
> Anyway, here's the first part of the "thing" I want
> to do to explain what I
> think I've "figured out" about some of the very
> final shots in PLANET. It's
> all I've had time to do in photoshop tonight. Hope
> to finish the rest of it
> before the weekend, and I hope everyone can open the
> attached photo. When I'm
> finished with the rest I guess they will be saved in
> the file section.
>
> -- Rory
>
>

>

> Well, I'm going to ask Sideshow to do more and to consider doing the

> Series Zaius, who has never been done as far as I know, and Urko,
> because he's cool.The Sideshow figures are, I think, the best figures
> Apes has had.The accessories are excellent and they are quality
> products.John, Scrolls.

I think both ways are correct.  I figure I'm a reasonably
intelligent person.  I also have a reasonably stong faith.  There
are a lot of intelligent people with faith.  Science vs. faith?  I
don't think there needs to be a contradiction.  I think it's a
mistake to stifle one in the pursuit of the other.  I think
the "full truth" will one day prove itself to be an obvious marriage
of both.

Remember, in any case we would need to be referring to "true faith"
and "true science."  I'm thinking it's the definition [of each] that
causes the rift. 

Helen 

 

   I kind of see the Creation story as saying that God made the world and evolution tells us how he made it. Elaine

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
> Just to put this subject in historical perspective:
>
>
> (http://theonion.com/lib/pdf.php?
type=ia&cat=The+Onion+In+History&img_id=2923)
> _http://theonion.com/history/index.php?issue=4129_
> (http://theonion.com/history/index.php?issue=4129)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Seems the History Channel is getting in the act as well:
>
> http://www.historychannel.com/apetoman/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@a... wrote:
> Just to put this subject in historical perspective:
>
>
> (http://theonion.com/lib/pdf.php?type=ia&cat=The+Onion+In+History&img_id=2923)
> _http://theonion.com/history/index.php?issue=4129_
> (http://theonion.com/history/index.php?issue=4129)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/3/2005 6:00:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
>
> Anton LaVey
>
>
>
> You mean Howard Levey? He doesn't
> sound very evil under his real name.
> That guy never had two true words
> come out of his mouth in a row.
> His daughter Zeena has a website
> debunking his crap. He was a two
> bit loser who liked hanging with celebs.
>
> _Anton LaVey - Legend and Reality_
> (http://www.thefirewithin.dk/library/anton.htm)

>
> Bible says "six days," but how long is a day before the world was

> created?
>
> -- Rory

> In a message dated 8/4/05 1:39:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> writes:
>
>
> > Look at the way the Universe works.
> > If that doesn't give you faith, I don't
> > know what will.
> >
>
> It gives me faith that it's very big and I'm very little, as in
> insignificant.
>
> -- Rory

In a message dated 8/4/05 1:39:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I kind of see the Creation story as saying that God made the world and evolution tells us how he made it. Elaine

Bible says "six days," but how long is a day before the world was even created?

-- Rory 

   My point exactly, we assume that the days were 24hrs, maybe they were much longer.

  Elaine

>
> In a message dated 8/4/2005 6:34:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> ...But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is
> with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one

>
>
>
>
> Wow. Relativity!
> Sounds like time travel to me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:

> John 6:21 - Then they willingly received him into the ship: and
immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rkid67" <rkid67@y...> wrote:
> Ringo 29:6 - I'd like to be under the sea in an octopus's garden in
the shade.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> > John 6:21 - Then they willingly received him into the ship: and
> immediately the ship was at the land whither they went.

>
>
> Hey "Ursus3978"! You're supposed to be 3955!
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> Here's the second part of what I'm working on. I hope you find it
> interesting. There's a bit more to come after this, but it'll have
to wait until
> another day. Anyway, check out the attached photos.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/5/05 5:15:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
>
> > Also, in
> > both your stills, you will see tiny isles or rocky piles out in the
> > ocean, to the right...Two of them are actually bouys disguised as
> > isles!!
> >
> > G
> >
>
> Well, I don't know about that. To me, they look like part of the
matte
> painting, but only Bill Creber and Emil Kosa -- if he's still alive --
know for
> sure.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
I've never thought the cliff at the end of Zuma
> Beach, which is seen in ESCAPE, much looked like the one (or the
partial one)
> at the end of PLANET. I would have to now guess that only the
shots of
> Taylor and Nova riding up to the Statue, where the camera is titled
down on them
> with the crown and torch props in the foreground atop the
scaffolding, only that
> was shot on Zuma Beach.

That's right...If you watch the ending of POTA, there is a high shot
showing gorillas on horseback winding through a clifftop trail...This
is where the camera was set-up to shoot down over the Statue mock-up
and catch Taylor and Nova riding up...I'll try and get that shot,
too...

The reverse angle, the final matte shot, was taken
> within the cove where the digs set was -- I guess.

Yes...That's what I meant...

Also, can you confirm,
> Glen, that this cove is known as "Pirate's Cove." My source is the
CA State Park
> Website.

Yes, Cornelius' dig site is also known as "Pirate's Cove", but I don't know why...It was a "clothing
optional" beach that I frequented during the 80's, as well...=)

>
> If you can get to the beach where the second matte shot is, which I
believe
> is Point Dune County Beach, be sure to get shots of the point where
you first
> see Taylor and Nova riding out of the surf. I'm talking about the
shot that
> was later used behind the title credit for BENEATH. Try to get a
shot from atop
> the cliff that matches the film.

Yes, I'm going to get some shots from up on the clifftop, and from
down on the beach (if I can find access)...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/5/05 8:30:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
>
> > Yes, I'm going to get some shots from up on the clifftop, and from
> > down on the beach (if I can find access)...
> >
> > G
> >
>
> Just climb down, then back up again.
>
> YOU CAN DO IT!!!!
>
> R

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
Actually, the scaffold was for the mock-up...If you look at "Behind
the POTA", and listen to Creber just before they show the blueprints
for the mock-up, he says, "I had envisioned being up on the bluff, on
a dolly-track, and shooting down over it..."...The scaffold was 70
feet high, and they would have to have been higher up to film over
it, which is the bluff you see in the opening of EFTPOTA...

G

> In a message dated 8/5/05 8:30:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
>
> > If you watch the ending of POTA, there is a high shot
> > showing gorillas on horseback winding through a clifftop
trail...This
> > is where the camera was set-up to shoot down over the Statue mock-
up
> > and catch Taylor and Nova riding up
>
> I don't believe you are correct there. If you look at Roddy
McDowall's Home
> Movies, you can see a scaffolding being constructed at the end of
Zuma Beach.
> I believe they shot the prop crown and torch from atop it. I
recall Bill
> Creber explaining this in the BEHIND documentary as well.
>
> -- Rory

> > Website.
>
> Yes, Cornelius' dig site is also known as "Pirate's Cove", but I

> optional" beach that I frequented during the 80's, as well...=)
>
> >
> G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> > > Website.
> >
> > Yes, Cornelius' dig site is also known as "Pirate's Cove", but I
> don't know why...It was a "clothing
> > optional" beach that I frequented during the 80's, as well...=)
> >
> > >
> > G
>
>
> Yes!! I knew it! That's what I was talking about! That isn't
Zuma?
> I thought it was Zuma Beach. That's what I believed at the time!
> (1977) You have redeemed me, my friend.
>
> Helen

> Look at Rory's overhead photo in the files section (I don't know how

> link it)...On the left, is Zuma Beach, then there is Point Dume,

> known as "Pirate's Cove" (Cornelius' dig site), then on the right is
> what Rory called Point Dune (I don't know the name), this is where

> closing riding scene in POTA and the opening credits scene in BTPOTA

>
> G
>