Based on the Extended version of Battle, I would say yes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Dodds <sauronbaggins@y...> wrote:
> Who was the first Mendez Mutant ??? Was he Mendez in Battle for the
Planet of the Apes ???
>

> Thats an interesting theory, then Caesar wouldnt have been born,

because Zira and Cornelius would never have left Earth and been pushed
back to the past (1973)

> Who was the first Mendez Mutant ??? Was he Mendez in Battle for the

Planet of the Apes ???



No. Everything from Escape-Battle would have just been a false history
implanted into the apes minds, ( even to the extent of false memories
and experiences spanning over multiple generations ), an entire false
gestalt, and the Battle Mendez was just a symbol of the "good mutant",
well enough to leave alone since interaction with his tribe would
produce an very bad result, total destruction. Thereafter the mutant
bomb would fulfill its original purpose; a deterent. ( And it can also
explain why the missing scenes in Battle were left out, since they are
all from the mutant perspective, and cannot play any role in the apes
imaginary mythology ). The original Mendez was the one described in
Beneath, a military commander, not yet mutated, with a moustache.

This week's lesson is available for viewing. It can be accessed by
clicking the banner on the Yahoo Home Page or via this link:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

Also be sure to visit all the other group features including the
internal website, The Art Gallery and the new POTA Locations feature.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm

And remember next Wednesday is the group's 7th Birthday and we'll be
launching a very special contest where you can win a DVD prize package
that includes the POTA 35th Anniversary Special Edition, the Extended
version of Battle and the Return cartoon DVDs.

.html

In a message dated 8/26/2005 4:09:11 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sauronbaggins@... writes:

then Caesar wouldnt have been born, because Zira and Cornelius would never have left Earth and been pushed back to the past

 

And Milo wouldn't have died.  So they wouldn't have named him Milo.

Instead she would have named him Taylor, and he would have spent

his life sewing Ape's New Suits.

 

 

<.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/05 5:08:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kaluga30@... writes:

Do you know about the cornfield that was
used in the film? Does that still exist or was it filmed somewhere
other than Malibu Creek? 

The cornfield in PLANET was grown in an area on the Ranch (now the park) know as "the meadow."  It was only used in PLANET, the cornfield that is.  There's mention in the book "The Studio" of Warner Bros. Studio wanting to rent the cornfield for a movie they were making in '67 (the book doesn't mention the title of that movie), but that "those goddamn apes and horses tore the shit out of it" and that Warner's would "have a hell of a time making it ready."  (Don't know whatever happened there.  Perhaps there's some Warner Bros. picture from '68 with the PLANET cornfield in it.)

Anyway, "the meadow" also appears in BATTLE, being the spot where the "battle" takes place!  So in respect to the locations in the POTA series, the films do come "full circle" in a way.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/05 12:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

The cornfield in PLANET was grown in an area on the Ranch (now the park) know as "the meadow." 

I forgot to mention that the last thing I saw that used "the meadow" was an episode of "Star Trek: Voyager" a few years ago.

I saw the "Rock Pool" used in a episode of "Star Trek: Enterprise" last year.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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I did.  About 20 years ago. It was interesting

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I posted the Mendez sermon/speech in the files section. Might help with the Mendez story.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Dodds <sauronbaggins@y...> wrote:
>
> Theres a new way u can watch the Planet of the Apes Films
>
> Escape
>
> Conquest
>
> Battle
>
> Planet
>
> Beneath anyone tried watching them in this way ???
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security
Centre.

During one of the Go Ape! festivals my local theater ran them in
that order.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jamie Dodds <sauronbaggins@y...> wrote:
>
> Theres a new way u can watch the Planet of the Apes Films
>
> Escape
>
> Conquest
>
> Battle
>
> Planet
>
> Beneath anyone tried watching them in this way ???
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all
new Yahoo! Security Centre.

.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/05 9:27:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Harry from aintitcool has a report from the POTA screening.

   http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=21103    - - - Jeff



I am like SO jealous, man!  I've been there -- twice -- but to watch POTA there like that!  WOW!

-- Rory<.html <.html

> I am like SO jealous, man! I've been there -- twice -- but to watch

POTA

> there like that! WOW!

It must be a blast just to be there. Did you actually feel like you
were on the planet of the apes? I can't believe how beautiful some of
those photographs are. For sure other-worldly, and really silent and
isolated. Just goes to show how mature the original film-makers were,
even in terms of selecting locations.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/27/05 10:19:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tadjus05@... writes:

It must be a blast just to be there. Did you actually feel like you
were on the planet of the apes?

Sometimes, but it's a little hard with all the boats there.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Attachments :

.html.htmlHumans Are on Display at London Zoo

By CASSANDRA VINOGRAD, AP

LONDON (Aug. 26) - Caged and barely clothed, eight men and women monkeyed around for the crowds Friday in an exhibit labeled "Humans'' at the London Zoo.

"Warning: Humans in their Natural Environment'' read the sign at the entrance to the exhibit, where the captives could be seen on a rock ledge in a bear enclosure, clad in bathing suits and pinned-on fig leaves. Some played with hula hoops, some waved.

Visitors stopped to point and laugh, and several children could be heard asking, "Why are there people in there?''

London Zoo spokeswoman Polly Wills says that's exactly the question the zoo wants to answer

"Seeing people in a different environment, among other animals ... teaches members of the public that the human is just another primate,'' Wills said.

The exhibit puts the three male and five female "homo sapiens'' amid their primate relatives. While their neighbors might enjoy bananas and a good scratch, these eight have divided interests, from a chemist hoping to raise awareness about apes to a self-described actor/model and fitness enthusiast.

For others, the aping around is just another forum for rampant exhibitionism and self-promotion.

Pointing at one heavy muscled and gleaming body on the ledge, one visitor joked that the zoo should consider a breeding program.

"You can tell why some people came here, like the big muscly men who clearly like parading around in thongs,'' said Damien Largey, 23.

Melissa Wecker, 21, was disappointed that the humans were wearing swimsuits beneath their fig leaves. "They're not doing anything. It looked lots better on the news,'' she complained.

Tom Mahoney, 26, decided to participate after his friend sent him an e-mail about the contest as a joke. Anything that draws attention to apes, he said, has his support.

"A lot of people think humans are above other animals,'' he told The Associated Press. "When they see humans as animals, here, it kind of reminds us that we're not that special.'

'Mark Ainsworth, 21, heard about the Human Zoo on the news.

"I've lived in this country for nine years and have never come to a zoo,'' said Ainsworth. "This exhibit made us come to the zoo. Humans are animals too!

''Like the rest of their caged neighbors, the humans had a variety of toys to keep them entertained - board games, music, paints, and balls.

They are being treated as animals, complete with keepers, but are allowed to go home each night at closing time.

When visitor Peter Bohn, 42, saw the "animals'' juggling, he stopped and had a good laugh."It's hilarious,'' he said. "It turns everything upside down. It makes you think about the humans in relation to the animals.

''After three hours, Mahoney is still having fun except for when the wind picks up. But, he added, "I wouldn't do it if I didn't enjoy it.''

08/26/05 14:17 EDT

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press.






















































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.html Great lesson from the Lawgiver. Yes, man does love his property! Elaine<.html

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> Humans Are on Display at London Zoo
>

> Tom Mahoney, 26, decided to participate after his friend sent him an

e-mail

> about the contest as a joke. Anything that draws attention to apes,

he said,

> has his support.
>
> "A lot of people think humans are above other animals,'' he told The
> Associated Press. "When they see humans as animals, here, it kind of

reminds us that

> we're not that special.'
>

I caught this article, too. Thanks for posting it, Rory.

It would be interesting to know more about this Mahoney fellow.
Suppose he's an Apes fan?

Helen

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Don Pedro Colley's Birthday

Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2005
Time: All Day

--- Thanks. That's great info. I love the internet! Where exactly
is "the meadow" in the park? Is that indicated on one of the maps?In
pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/26/05 5:08:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> kaluga30@y... writes:
>
>
> > Do you know about the cornfield that was
> > used in the film? Does that still exist or was it filmed

somewhere

> > other than Malibu Creek?
> >
>
> The cornfield in PLANET was grown in an area on the Ranch (now the

park) know

> as "the meadow." It was only used in PLANET, the cornfield that

is. There's

> mention in the book "The Studio" of Warner Bros. Studio wanting to

rent the

> cornfield for a movie they were making in '67 (the book doesn't

mention the

> title of that movie), but that "those goddamn apes and horses tore

the shit out

> of it" and that Warner's would "have a hell of a time making it

ready." (Don't

> know whatever happened there. Perhaps there's some Warner Bros.

picture from

> '68 with the PLANET cornfield in it.)
>
> Anyway, "the meadow" also appears in BATTLE, being the spot where

the

> "battle" takes place! So in respect to the locations in the POTA

series, the films

> do come "full circle" in a way.
>
> -- Rory

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Don Pedro Colley's Birthday

Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2005
Time: All Day

Happy Birthday to our favorite mutant torturer!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Don Pedro Colley's Birthday
>
> Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2005
> Time: All Day

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "kaluga30" <kaluga30@y...> wrote:

> --- Thanks. That's great info. I love the internet! Where exactly
> is "the meadow" in the park? Is that indicated on one of the maps?

In

> pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 8/26/05 5:08:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > kaluga30@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Do you know about the cornfield that was
> > > used in the film? Does that still exist or was it filmed
> somewhere
> > > other than Malibu Creek?
> > >
> >
> > The cornfield in PLANET was grown in an area on the Ranch (now

the

> park) know
> > as "the meadow." It was only used in PLANET, the cornfield that
> is. There's
> > mention in the book "The Studio" of Warner Bros. Studio wanting

to

> rent the
> > cornfield for a movie they were making in '67 (the book doesn't
> mention the
> > title of that movie), but that "those goddamn apes and horses

tore

> the shit out
> > of it" and that Warner's would "have a hell of a time making it
> ready." (Don't
> > know whatever happened there. Perhaps there's some Warner Bros.
> picture from
> > '68 with the PLANET cornfield in it.)
> >
> > Anyway, "the meadow" also appears in BATTLE, being the spot where
> the
> > "battle" takes place! So in respect to the locations in the POTA
> series, the films
> > do come "full circle" in a way.
> >
> > -- Rory

Rory,You mentioned WB wanting to Rent the Cornfield for one of their
Productions,I'm gonna guess that Was for "Bonnie & Clyde" with
Dunaway and Beaty Just my Opinion cause there IS a Cornfield Chase in
that one! lol
JOHN/LONFAN

Hi,
I was looking through some of the files listed in this group and
read the letter to Fox Home Entertainment about a potential new DVD
release. Is there a FAQ section for this group that might have answere
to some questions I have about the info mentioned in the letter?
Thanks.

---

Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page

i was just wondering,has anyone ever done any research on the meaning
and origins of the ever-present series of ''hieroglyphs'' that appear
in the Apes films and TV series.I mean ,do they have any function
other than decoration?Are they actually a represenation of the simian
language,the way hieroglyphs are in actual languages like Egyptian or
cuneiform?Inquiring minds would like a bit of light at the end of the
tunnel on this question.

We are 7 years old today. And to celebrate you get a chance to win the
presents, a 35th Anniversary POTA DVD, an Extended Battle DVD and the
Return cartoon DVDs.

How do you win them? Simple, just come to the group's Yahoo Home page:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/ and click on the contest
link.

Now instead of the usual questions about POTA trivia, the questions are
about your fellow group members. If you can identify all 15 members
described; you win. The winner will be annouced next Tuesday.

In addition to the Contest, over the next few days we will be reposting
several Vintage posts from the group's archives to celebrate this group's rich history.

Here's a vintage post from our group founder, Dave Pasco, from the
early days of the Group:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, MFLulder@a... wrote:
> Ok, if you notice, the sacred scrolls are a diluted version of the
truth,...
> which had been written, and re-written time and time again, hence
the reason
> Dr. Zaius could even HOLD the scholls. Also, Corneilous is an
Archeoligist,
> who, for all we know, MAY have discovered missing parts of the
sarcer scholls,
> namely the ones about Aldo and the ape revolution. I belive that
Corneilous
> mmisdiagnosed the time between events in the scrolls, as the
language could
> have changed in a couple thousand or so years. and added an extra
zero or
> two... 500 becomming 50 or 5. Which is plasable.I also belive that
the
> influencial Orangatanges and Gorrillas on the Coinsel which
replaced Caesar
> after his death made a compromise, The gorillas, some of which
consittered
> Aldo a hero put the leader of the Ape revolution in as Aldo, and
the
> Orangatanges put thee Law GIver, who also was Caesar in as an
Orangatange.,
> That explains how Chips went from leaders to the lowest ape.
> Please, everyone, try to coment on this...maybe we can get
discussion going!

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/12

I was just searching thru the site to see all that is here and came
across the ad for these commemorative prints. Does anyone have them or
know if they are still available? Or an email for Pete Wallbank?
Thanks!!

And we look so happy in the banner photo, too!...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> We are 7 years old today. And to celebrate you get a chance to win
the
> presents, a 35th Anniversary POTA DVD, an Extended Battle DVD and the
> Return cartoon DVDs.
>
> How do you win them? Simple, just come to the group's Yahoo Home
page:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/ and click on the contest
> link.
>
> Now instead of the usual questions about POTA trivia, the questions
are
> about your fellow group members. If you can identify all 15 members
> described; you win. The winner will be annouced next Tuesday.
>
> In addition to the Contest, over the next few days we will be
reposting
> several Vintage posts from the group's archives to celebrate this
group's rich history.

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/30/05 12:22:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, branchbrood93@... writes:

Rory,You mentioned WB wanting to Rent the Cornfield for one of their
Productions,I'm gonna guess that Was for "Bonnie & Clyde" with
Dunaway and Beaty Just my Opinion cause there IS a Cornfield Chase in
that one! lol
JOHN/LONFAN

No, BONNIE & CLYDE was released on August 13, 1967, too late to use the Malibu location, and besides it was mostly shot in Texas.

-- Rory<.html <.html

I have both of Pete's prints so far and they are stunning.His website
is at www.petewallbank.org.uk and his email is
info@.... I know he's already planning the third in his
series, featuring Escape. John, Scrolls.

Happy birthday pota@yahoogroups.com people. What a crew.

Great contest, guys. I have no clue! ;)

Best wishes!

--H

I wrote to him awhile back and go this back.....I
haven't ordered yet because of time and money. They
are great tho...Don't know how it translates to
U.S......
Tim

hi tim

i now can confirm overal price for prints and air
mail shipping.

price of prints are british £19.99 each.

shipping on top would be another british £5.00.

total price a round british £45.00.

if the above interests you,let me know.

until then.

regards,

pete

--- ironman1188 <ironman1188@...> wrote:

> I was just searching thru the site to see all that
> is here and came
> across the ad for these commemorative prints. Does
> anyone have them or
> know if they are still available? Or an email for
> Pete Wallbank?
> Thanks!!
>
>
>
>
>
>

http://apemania.com/images/Tease2.jpg

Follow this link.


Is unbeliable!. This can´t be true!!!!

I wonder how much they are charging. Damn I better go out and buy more
lottery tickets.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez"
<joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:

> http://apemania.com/images/Tease2.jpg
>
> Follow this link.
>
>
> Is unbeliable!. This can´t be true!!!!

.html.htmlIn a message dated 9/1/05 11:32:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, joseramonruizdiez@... writes:

http://apemania.com/images/Tease2.jpg

Follow this link.


Is unbeliable!. This can´t be true!!!!

It's a model, blown up in photoshop.  The scale isn't right (it's a little too small), and they wouldn't have it on the ground like that.

-- Rory<.html <.html

> It's a model, blown up in photoshop. The scale isn't right (it's a little
> too small), and they wouldn't have it on the ground like that.

Not only that, but the angle of the shadow from the ship doesn't match
the angle of the shadow from the man.

Hunter

ohhhh, what a deception!!!

I suspect this, but it was so pretty if was true....

.html.htmlI want everyone to read the article below then tell me if it gives you any ideas on how we can get Fox to do the kind of APES series Special Edition boxed set we want.

-- Rory


August 30, 2005

Demand driven by mouse-clicks

Hunger for DVD versions of TV shows and films can be charted in pre-orders through Amazon and Netflix.


By Elaine Dutka, Times Staff Writer

Studio executives like to think they're in the business of giving people what they want. The challenge is figuring out just what that is — a never-ending quest in Hollywood.

Research, carried out before a movie's release, focuses on speculative criteria such as people's awareness of given titles and which they most want to see. For home video however, two Internet behemoths, the retailer Amazon.com and the DVD rental pioneer Netflix, provide insight not only into public appetites but how a movie will actually perform when it hits the video stores.
 
By placing real orders for material they want to buy or rent, consumers are voting with their pocketbooks, industry analysts say. And with the big titles, their choices reflect on the effectiveness of a studio's marketing campaign.

Release of DVD sets of the TV series "Charmed" and "MacGyver" were accelerated because of consumer demand, said Michael Arkin, senior vice president of marketing for Paramount Home Entertainment. And when the 1954 "The High and the Mighty" rose to the top of Amazon's pre-sale list in July, he knew something was afoot.

"This 50-year-old movie took off, not only on Netflix and Amazon but across the board," said Arkin. "Those lists are opinion polls of a sort, earpieces into buyers' tastes. It's a way of taking the pulse of the public, checking it on a daily basis."

The companies, along with websites such as DVDTalk and TVShowsonDVD, haven't replaced less sophisticated forms of communication between the public and the studios such as phone calls, letters and e-mails. Nor have they dislodged traditional market research. But they help publicize a movie and are effective marketing tools. Netflix informs studios which of its 50,000 titles its 3.2 million subscribers put in their "queues," to be mailed when the product comes out. And Amazon's Top 100 List, updated hourly, reflects sales rankings of future releases as well as current fare. "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith" and "Batman Begins" are Nos. 2 and 4 on this week's chart, though they won't be out until Nov. 1 and Nov. 18, respectively.

One of the company's goals is to help build the DVD business, said Laura Porco, Amazon's general manager for merchandising, North American media. More than 50 million people purchased an item from Amazon in the last 12 months, the company says. And there's an ongoing dialogue with Hollywood entities "big, medium and small."

"Before we came along, no other retailer made sales ranks transparent to consumers and vendors," she said. "No one knew what a new VHS would do once it got to retailer locations. Studios had to wait until Day 1, 2 or 3, when retailers' reports came back. Our rankings tell them how their product stacks up against the competition. And our 'wish lists' — consumer requests for movies or TV shows not on DVD — help the industry prioritize what to bring out."

Mike Dunn, president worldwide, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, checks Amazon.com at least once a day. Just as Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan refers to "wholesale inventories," Dunn says, he looks to the Top 100 list to gauge the economics of a title — particularly off-center films often squeezed off the shelves of many video stores.

"I saw 'Napoleon Dynamite,' 'What the Bleep Do We Know?' and 'Roswell,' a rather obscure TV series, pre-booking really well," he said. "We got our ducks in a row so we wouldn't be caught short. Amazon is a great bellwether, tipping us off on the upside of some of the less obvious titles. The rankings show which of the small movies have a lot of juice, so surprises aren't surprises.

"Wish lists, however, are less relevant today than they were in the past," he adds.

"Two years ago, we'd look at them and get to those titles earlier rather than later. But now many of our hidden jewels have already been unleashed. Most of today's requests are more reflective of personal preference than mass demand — cult films such as 'Myra Breckenridge,' which we ultimately released."

With the exception of an occasional "March of the Penguins," studios buy, produce and distribute mostly mainstream product, said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer for Netflix, which charges subscribers $17.99 a month for an unlimited number of titles. "Yet interest in so-called specialty films is broader than they think. The Oscar-winning documentary 'Born Into Brothels' has been rented by one out of every 10 of our subscribers, though it was small, box-office wise. And 'Super Size Me,' another documentary, outperformed 50 theatrical films in the same period."

That goes to prove that the Netflix demographic isn't typical of the American populace, some industry observers contend. What appeals to its discerning subscriber base, they maintain, isn't what sells at Wal-Mart (whose online rental business was taken over by Netflix).

That's not entirely true, Sarandos says. While its clientele is slightly higher in income and education, it is more mainstream than it has been. The first million were net-savvy early adapters and film aficionados, eclectic in their movie choices, he says. But new members are more likely to have been renting at Blockbuster the day before.

Netflix' subscribers, however, are older than the theatrical audience. "Million Dollar Baby" and "The Aviator" were much bigger on DVD than in theaters, rented by adults who don't go to the theater anymore, Sarandos explains. And the Clint Eastwood drama "Mystic River" is the company's all-time top-renting film. Netflix adds a title to its database when a movie plays in a film festival or opens in a major city. A month or so before its release, subscribers can add it to their queue, asking for recommendations of others they might like based on their preferences and reactions to past rentals. Someone who favored Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Vol. 2," for instance, might be referred to Stephen Chow's "Kung Fu Hustle," one of the top-renting titles, or a previous film by director Chow. Subscribers living within five miles of the theater, moreover, were given tickets to "Hustle" before the theatrical release.

That's a bonus for the consumer, Sarandos says — and a means of creating "word of mouth on steroids" because the audience is predisposed to like the film. Through Netflix's "friends program," people can pass along their opinions to fellow subscribers. It's preferences rather than ratings that are tracked, he says.

"Determining which pictures to show each person is like having a video store remerchandised so every customer sees his favorite merchandise displayed at eye level," Sarandos said. "While we have unlimited shelf space, people have limited attention spans."

Amazon.com, for its part, creates a "detail page" for a movie when its DVD release is announced (or sometimes before, if fan demand warrants). Consumers clicking onto the "Star Wars" page, for example, can get information about the story line, cast, price and release date — as well as titles purchased by people who bought that DVD (in this case, 19% "Lord of the Rings" and 8% "Indiana Jones." Customers are also given an opportunity to rate a given title, from one star to five. Often, they can view trailers or scenes from the DVD provided — an addendum to information provided by the Internet Movie Database, a prime online entertainment industry resource acquired by Amazon in April 1998.

"Our website is very democratic," Porco said. "Very consumer-driven."

Now that the home video market is driven by sales, not rentals, some executives downplay the importance of Netflix. Paramount's Arkin isn't one of them. Research shows that rentals are a valid barometer of consumer interest in movies, he says. If someone rents a title and likes it, he or she might buy it down the road, Arkin said. And the bestselling DVDs generally tend to mirror the top-renting ones, Sarandos points out. Last week, "Guess Who?" and "Alexander" were the top two titles in both categories.

Netflix is already mainstreaming the behavior of watching specialty films, Sarandos says. And its influence, he says, should only increase with time.

"With 3 million subscribers, we're interesting to the studios," he said. "With 5 million, we'd be meaningful, with more bottom-line impact. With 10 million, we could reshape distribution. If we put a spotlight on less mainstream films, maybe studios would be emboldened to release product that's more 'challenging,' shall we say. Our numbers could affect not only marketing plans but the kind of movies that get made."


 

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I want everyone to read the article below then tell me if it gives you any ideas on how we can get Fox to do the kind of APES series Special Edition boxed set we want.

-- Rory


August 30, 2005

  Maybe we could go to Fox's headquarters dressed as apes and take over the studio. Elaine

Demand driven by mouse-clicks

Hunger for DVD versions of TV shows and films can be charted in pre-orders through Amazon and Netflix.


By Elaine Dutka, Times Staff Writer

Studio executives like to think they're in the business of giving people what they want. The challenge is figuring out just what that is — a never-ending quest in Hollywood.

Research, carried out before a movie's release, focuses on speculative criteria such as people's awareness of given titles and which they most want to see. For home video however, two Internet behemoths, the retailer Amazon.com and the DVD rental pioneer Netflix, provide insight not only into public appetites but how a movie will actually perform when it hits the video stores.
 
By placing real orders for material they want to buy or rent, consumers are voting with their pocketbooks, industry analysts say. And with the big titles, their choices reflect on the effectiveness of a studio's marketing campaign.

Release of DVD sets of the TV series "Charmed" and "MacGyver" were accelerated because of consumer demand, said Michael Arkin, senior vice president of marketing for Paramount Home Entertainment. And when the 1954 "The High and the Mighty" rose to the top of Amazon's pre-sale list in July, he knew something was afoot.

"This 50-year-old movie took off, not only on Netflix and Amazon but across the board," said Arkin. "Those lists are opinion polls of a sort, earpieces into buyers' tastes. It's a way of taking the pulse of the public, checking it on a daily basis."

The companies, along with websites such as DVDTalk and TVShowsonDVD, haven't replaced less sophisticated forms of communication between the public and the studios such as phone calls, letters and e-mails. Nor have they dislodged traditional market research. But they help publicize a movie and are effective marketing tools. Netflix informs studios which of its 50,000 titles its 3.2 million subscribers put in their "queues," to be mailed when the product comes out. And Amazon's Top 100 List, updated hourly, reflects sales rankings of future releases as well as current fare. "Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith" and "Batman Begins" are Nos. 2 and 4 on this week's chart, though they won't be out until Nov. 1 and Nov. 18, respectively.

One of the company's goals is to help build the DVD business, said Laura Porco, Amazon's general manager for merchandising, North American media. More than 50 million people purchased an item from Amazon in the last 12 months, the company says. And there's an ongoing dialogue with Hollywood entities "big, medium and small."

"Before we came along, no other retailer made sales ranks transparent to consumers and vendors," she said. "No one knew what a new VHS would do once it got to retailer locations. Studios had to wait until Day 1, 2 or 3, when retailers' reports came back. Our rankings tell them how their product stacks up against the competition. And our 'wish lists' — consumer requests for movies or TV shows not on DVD — help the industry prioritize what to bring out."

Mike Dunn, president worldwide, 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, checks Amazon.com at least once a day. Just as Federal Reserve Board Chairman Alan Greenspan refers to "wholesale inventories," Dunn says, he looks to the Top 100 list to gauge the economics of a title — particularly off-center films often squeezed off the shelves of many video stores.

"I saw 'Napoleon Dynamite,' 'What the Bleep Do We Know?' and 'Roswell,' a rather obscure TV series, pre-booking really well," he said. "We got our ducks in a row so we wouldn't be caught short. Amazon is a great bellwether, tipping us off on the upside of some of the less obvious titles. The rankings show which of the small movies have a lot of juice, so surprises aren't surprises.

"Wish lists, however, are less relevant today than they were in the past," he adds.

"Two years ago, we'd look at them and get to those titles earlier rather than later. But now many of our hidden jewels have already been unleashed. Most of today's requests are more reflective of personal preference than mass demand — cult films such as 'Myra Breckenridge,' which we ultimately released."

With the exception of an occasional "March of the Penguins," studios buy, produce and distribute mostly mainstream product, said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer for Netflix, which charges subscribers $17.99 a month for an unlimited number of titles. "Yet interest in so-called specialty films is broader than they think. The Oscar-winning documentary 'Born Into Brothels' has been rented by one out of every 10 of our subscribers, though it was small, box-office wise. And 'Super Size Me,' another documentary, outperformed 50 theatrical films in the same period."

That goes to prove that the Netflix demographic isn't typical of the American populace, some industry observers contend. What appeals to its discerning subscriber base, they maintain, isn't what sells at Wal-Mart (whose online rental business was taken over by Netflix).

That's not entirely true, Sarandos says. While its clientele is slightly higher in income and education, it is more mainstream than it has been. The first million were net-savvy early adapters and film aficionados, eclectic in their movie choices, he says. But new members are more likely to have been renting at Blockbuster the day before.

Netflix' subscribers, however, are older than the theatrical audience. "Million Dollar Baby" and "The Aviator" were much bigger on DVD than in theaters, rented by adults who don't go to the theater anymore, Sarandos explains. And the Clint Eastwood drama "Mystic River" is the company's all-time top-renting film. Netflix adds a title to its database when a movie plays in a film festival or opens in a major city. A month or so before its release, subscribers can add it to their queue, asking for recommendations of others they might like based on their preferences and reactions to past rentals. Someone who favored Quentin Tarantino's "Kill Bill: Vol. 2," for instance, might be referred to Stephen Chow's "Kung Fu Hustle," one of the top-renting titles, or a previous film by director Chow. Subscribers living within five miles of the theater, moreover, were given tickets to "Hustle" before the theatrical release.

That's a bonus for the consumer, Sarandos says — and a means of creating "word of mouth on steroids" because the audience is predisposed to like the film. Through Netflix's "friends program," people can pass along their opinions to fellow subscribers. It's preferences rather than ratings that are tracked, he says.

"Determining which pictures to show each person is like having a video store remerchandised so every customer sees his favorite merchandise displayed at eye level," Sarandos said. "While we have unlimited shelf space, people have limited attention spans."

Amazon.com, for its part, creates a "detail page" for a movie when its DVD release is announced (or sometimes before, if fan demand warrants). Consumers clicking onto the "Star Wars" page, for example, can get information about the story line, cast, price and release date — as well as titles purchased by people who bought that DVD (in this case, 19% "Lord of the Rings" and 8% "Indiana Jones." Customers are also given an opportunity to rate a given title, from one star to five. Often, they can view trailers or scenes from the DVD provided — an addendum to information provided by the Internet Movie Database, a prime online entertainment industry resource acquired by Amazon in April 1998.

"Our website is very democratic," Porco said. "Very consumer-driven."

Now that the home video market is driven by sales, not rentals, some executives downplay the importance of Netflix. Paramount's Arkin isn't one of them. Research shows that rentals are a valid barometer of consumer interest in movies, he says. If someone rents a title and likes it, he or she might buy it down the road, Arkin said. And the bestselling DVDs generally tend to mirror the top-renting ones, Sarandos points out. Last week, "Guess Who?" and "Alexander" were the top two titles in both categories.

Netflix is already mainstreaming the behavior of watching specialty films, Sarandos says. And its influence, he says, should only increase with time.

"With 3 million subscribers, we're interesting to the studios," he said. "With 5 million, we'd be meaningful, with more bottom-line impact. With 10 million, we could reshape distribution. If we put a spotlight on less mainstream films, maybe studios would be emboldened to release product that's more 'challenging,' shall we say. Our numbers could affect not only marketing plans but the kind of movies that get made."


 

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One of our members, John Davis, lives right outside of New Orleans.
Everyone here in the POTA group wishes John and his family all the best
during these trying times. If there is anything we can do to help;
please let us know.

Anyone wishing to make a contribution for disaster relief can do so
through the American Red Cross. http://www.redcross.org/

Here's a great old post where Natalie Trudy herself answered
member's questions.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/1210


From: "Jack Krueger" <williejoe@...>
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OK, Natalie is up and taking nourishment. She has absolutely zero
interest
in computers, so I'm asking her the questions and then typing them
in. She's
very flattered by the personal sentiments and amazed by "Apes"' big
comeback.

ADAMI: Natalie says God bless you and your wife. She says Arthur
Jacobs
wanted to do an "Apes" TV show but no specific ideas were developed.
He died
shortly after "Battle" was released.

MICHAEL: Natalie said she'd like to be involved in the "Apes" remake
some
way but hasn't been approached (yet). It's basically out of her
hands, so
they're not consulting her on scripts or anything. She very pleased
her
friend Richard Zanuck is involved, but is still kinda cynical about
the
enterprise. She was offended by the successful Eddie Murphy remake
of "Dr.
Dolittle" and isn't enthralled by current Hollywood. Ironically,
Fox's
announced big summer films for 2001 are "Apes" and "Dr. Dolittle 2",
both
originating from her husband's productions. Most fans have
more "Apes"
memorabilia than she does. When she sold her and Arthur's house in
1984 (10
years after his death), she donated his extensive collection to
Loyola
Maramount University in Los Angeles, where the public is welcome to
see it.
The Lawgiver statue used in the films was in her backyard until 1999
when
she sold it. She says there are only 2 actual Lawgiver statues and
hers was
the only one used (the other was created specially for Sammy Davis
Jr. , a
friend of her and Arthur and a big "Apes" fan. When he died in 1990
it was
sold.

DAVE: Natalie says the ape makeup was "absolutely" photo-realistic
and I
can vouch for that. I've seen recreations from "Ape Mania" and also
Bill
Blake (Bill also put me in ape makeup) and it looks very real in
person.
That makes sense because they didn't always have time to make the
lighting
perfect, etc. Maybe Brian can shed more light (so to speak) on this
topic.
As for who she would cast in the remake, she has no idea but thinks
Harrison
Ford would be perfect if they need a big star.

ALEX: Currently Natalie is retired from the business. Arthur left
her with
the money to pursue her interests. One of the most important things
to her
is her humanitarian work , especially in India (she's worked with
the late
Mother Teresa). She's a trained medic and has worked with lepers and
other
unfortunates. Natalie didn't throw money at problems, she loves to
travel to
trouble spots and help out. As for "Ape" actors, she's good friends
with Don
Pedro Colley ("Beneath", Linda Harrison and Bradford Dillman. She
knew Roddy
well, and showed me some olde time Christmas cards he used to send.
Actually, she's come to know Booth Colman through me. Yes, she's
100% behind
Zanuck on the new movie, too. As for the DVDs she doesn't know
anything
about commentary tracks, etc. (she's not even sure what DVD is). As
for
myself, I've heard someone at Fox say the upcoming DVDs won't be
anamorphic
(is that the word?), and is their last DVD that won't be. That means
these
probably won't be the optimum DVD "Apes" experience and down the
line better
ones will probably be available, so they'll need bells and whistles
later.
But it might be worth it just to have "Behind the POTA" in that
format! Tim
Burton: Natalie thinks he's talented but doesn't really have an
opinion on
him. She liked "Edward Scissorhands".

JOHN: Natalie found the galleys of Pierre Boulle's novel because
she's
fluent in French. She doesn't remember offhand where she got it, but
she
liked it and translated it for Arthur. I've read a quote where
Arthur said
he got it from a literary agent but Natalie says that's hogwash.
Yes, she
was in scenes with Ricardo Montalban in "Escape". She was also asked
by
Arthur to take a pay cut in "Conquest" so Ricardo could have more
money. She
calls Ricardo "an angel of a man". (Wasn't he great in 'Behind the
POTA'?).
She's known Bradford Dillman since she was 12 and says she "loved
him",
"adored him". Unfortunately, his wife is having a rough time battling
cancer. Her favorite "Apes" film is "Escape", though personally she
prefers
lighter fare (she loves musicals and TV detctive shows). Her
favorite movies
by her husband were "Goodbye Mr. Chips" and "Dr. Dolittle". In fact,
"Dolittle"is very personal to her because Arthur had two of the songs
written "for her" ("I Think I like You" and "Something in your
Smile") and
she first heard them when he proposed to her.

Thanks, James...I didn't know this...Is John alright?...Has anyone
heard from him?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> One of our members, John Davis, lives right outside of New Orleans.
> Everyone here in the POTA group wishes John and his family all the
best
> during these trying times. If there is anything we can do to help;
> please let us know.
>
> Anyone wishing to make a contribution for disaster relief can do so
> through the American Red Cross. http://www.redcross.org/

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
group.

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I haven't heard from him. If anyone else has please let us know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> Thanks, James...I didn't know this...Is John alright?...Has anyone
> heard from him?...
>
> G
>

This week's lesson is now available. Keeping with our birthday theme,
this lesson is a humorous one courtesy of Elaine. Thanks again Elaine.
You can view the lesson by clicking the banner on the Yahoo home page
or directly via this link:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

As another birthday week treat, a pdf of the proposed cover for issue 2
of the new comic has been uploaded to the Files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/pota2.pdf Take a look and let us know what you think. Personally, I think it's one of the best POTA covers ever.

Also, no one has yet to get all answers correct in the Group's Birthday
contest so the DVD prize package (POTA 35th Anniversary, Extended
Battle and Return Cartoons) is still up for grabs. To enter just click
the link on the Yahoo Home page:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

Hi all, I'd just like to take a moment to thank Dave Ballard who was
kind enough to make me a copy of the uncut Battle DVD plus the Return
cartoons, also thanks to Hunter who put in such hard work to produce
these.
All the best Graham.

The cover is amazing.

Its a new vision on the rebellion of the apes (in Spain, Conquest was
called "la rebelion de los simios")but coherent with the clasic series.
I thik, this is what we are waiting for.

JR

John,

We're thinking of you and hope that you and yours are ok. Please let
us hear from you when you get a chance to check in. You are in our
prayers.

--H

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I haven't heard from him. If anyone else has please let us know.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > Thanks, James...I didn't know this...Is John alright?...Has anyone
> > heard from him?...
> >
> > G
> >

Here here.

He did the same for me recently.

Top bloke.

Robert Mansell

Take a look at my auctions on ebay.....
http://tinyurl.com/6x887

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From: "hill19652000" <shop@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 6:40 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Battle DVDs


> Hi all, I'd just like to take a moment to thank Dave Ballard who was
> kind enough to make me a copy of the uncut Battle DVD plus the Return
> cartoons, also thanks to Hunter who put in such hard work to produce
> these.
> All the best Graham.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much,
> much more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Both Dave and Hunter are two of the 'good guys'. They do what they do
for their love of POTA and for their fellow fans.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hill19652000" <shop@a...> wrote:
> Hi all, I'd just like to take a moment to thank Dave Ballard who was
> kind enough to make me a copy of the uncut Battle DVD plus the Return
> cartoons, also thanks to Hunter who put in such hard work to produce
> these.
> All the best Graham.

I love it. It involks both Conquest and Beneath.

I'd love to hear more feedback from members about it.

Also, a few people cannot open up the pdf file. Is there anyone out
there who can covert it to a jpeg so more members can see it?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joseramonruizdiez"
<joseramonruizdiez@y...> wrote:

> The cover is amazing.
>
> Its a new vision on the rebellion of the apes (in Spain, Conquest was
> called "la rebelion de los simios")but coherent with the clasic

series.

> I thik, this is what we are waiting for.
>
> JR

Interesting take on the 2001 Remake.

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/13272

From: Haristas@...
Date: Fri Nov 23, 2001 7:32 pm
Subject: New Movie Reaccessed

Okay, so I've now watched POTA 2001 for a second time on DVD, this
time alone in my apartment with my surround sound and 32" TV. You
guys probably aren't going to believe this, but I find this movie
improving each time I see it. It's still not what I wanted Fox to
do, and it's not great, but it's not as bad as I thought the first
time. I'm noticing subtleties of performance and picking up lines
dialogue I missed the first couple of times that make it play much
better.

I put the DVD on thinking I'll only get a few minutes into this
thing then just jump over to listen to Burton's commentary, but
instead I just watched the whole through -- and was reasonably
entertained. You know it wouldn't have taken much to make this film
a lot better; more sophisticated dialogue on the nature of man and
his society, and a lot of work on the internal logic of the story,
plus a stronger third act. But I must admit now it's not the
complete disaster I thought it was. But it's no where near the
original, that's for sure. I also think Burton did as good a job of
directing it as the script would allow. The script was the problem
here, AND the female chimp look. Now I need to go listen to
Burton's commentary.

I watched the original last night. When I first put it on I thought
for some reason, "Oh God, I can't watch this right now -- I've seen
it so many times." But I just let it run and before I knew it I
was totally into it again. Now there's a great movie.

Well, at least I know I can look at this new movie from now on
without throwing up. I can't say how many times I'm going to want
to watch this thing, but whatever. Let's hope if there's a sequel
it's much better.

I was also in a Blockbuster today. They had 28 copies of POTA 2001
on DVD. All except three were checked-out. But, they must have had
50 VHS copies and nearly all of those were not checked- out. I
think that may say something about the growing popularity of DVDs.

-- Rory

> I love it. It involks both Conquest and Beneath.

Me too.

> Also, a few people cannot open up the pdf file. Is there anyone out
> there who can covert it to a jpeg so more members can see it?

http://www.goatley.com/pota/images/pota2.jpg

Feel free to upload it to the group Files, James.

Hunter

Hello,

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Thanks so much Hunter.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> > I love it. It involks both Conquest and Beneath.
>
> Me too.
>
> > Also, a few people cannot open up the pdf file. Is there anyone out
> > there who can covert it to a jpeg so more members can see it?
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/images/pota2.jpg
>
> Feel free to upload it to the group Files, James.
>
> Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...>
wrote:

> I have both of Pete's prints so far and they are stunning.

I have them both too and am equally fond of them. I eagerly await
the third in the series. Pete's a nice guy too, I'll see if we can get
some coverage in a future Scrolls.

Dave

I've also posted this as our Home Page pic. So if anyone has trouble
accessing they can just drop by the Home Page.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
> group.
>
> File : /pota2.jpg
> Uploaded by : jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@a...>
> Description : Jpeg of the Issue 2 cover
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/pota2.jpg
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files
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> Regards,
>
> jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@a...>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
wrote:

> I love it. It involks both Conquest and Beneath.
>
> I'd love to hear more feedback from members about it.

That's a cracking cover! Not quite (IMHO) up to the standard of
some of the old Marvel's but head and shoulders above the Dark
Horse and Adventure efforts.

Oddly enough I find myself thinking of Tarzan as I view this (!) I
think it's that Caesar (assuming that is he) is perhaps a little too
upright and in a very 'Tarzanic' pose (He even has little N'Kima
the monkey, hanging onto his ankle!) and the Apes behind him
remind me of the Jungle lord's 'family'.

I wonder if that's the artists vision of Breck in the foreground?

Does that Stone lion mean anything to the Americans on this
group? a famous landmark maybe?

Nice to see the artist has been faithful to the Conquest
costumes, even down to the deck shoes - someone is making a
clear and obvious effort here and that fills me with hope.

Dave B

The stone lion looks like the one in front of the NY Public Library seen in Beneath.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> Does that Stone lion mean anything to the Americans on this
> group? a famous landmark maybe?
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 9/3/2005 2:32:24 PM Central Standard Time, dave@... writes:

I'll see if we can get some coverage in a future Scrolls

When is the newest edition of SS due to be available? Any clues as to what the contents will be (the proposed action figure edition maybe?)

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
> That's a cracking cover! Not quite (IMHO) up to the standard of
> some of the old Marvel's but head and shoulders above the Dark
> Horse and Adventure efforts.
>
> Oddly enough I find myself thinking of Tarzan as I view this (!) I
> think it's that Caesar (assuming that is he) is perhaps a little

too

> upright and in a very 'Tarzanic' pose (He even has little N'Kima
> the monkey, hanging onto his ankle!) and the Apes behind him
> remind me of the Jungle lord's 'family'.
>
> I wonder if that's the artists vision of Breck in the foreground?
>
> Does that Stone lion mean anything to the Americans on this
> group? a famous landmark maybe?
>
> Nice to see the artist has been faithful to the Conquest
> costumes, even down to the deck shoes - someone is making a
> clear and obvious effort here and that fills me with hope.
>
> Dave B

Hi Dave, I was thinking the cover had a 30's pulp thing going on
even down to the style of brush strokes, A bit like the Doc savage
covers,not the 60's paperbacks but the original pulps,but you're
right that could be N'Kima next to him.
Best Graham.

Hi Mike,

The latest edition is at the printers now and should start
shipping in the next week or so.

Contents include (but are not limited to) an all new interview with
Linda Harrison, another with Paul Williams and a look at POTA
shooting locations then and now.

Unfortunately our once proposed action figure special was
reliant on two promised feature length articles that, for one
reason or another, were never delivered - always a risk with a
fanzine. This was a great shame because we had a
jaw-dropping fully painted cover all ready to roll from Neil Foster.
perhaps if you ask Neil nicely over on the Dg he might post it.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/3/2005 2:32:24 PM Central Standard
Time,
> dave@4... writes:
>
> > I'll see if we can get some coverage in a future Scrolls
>
> When is the newest edition of SS due to be available? Any
clues as to what
> the contents will be (the proposed action figure edition
maybe?)

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I,ve just come from the preview of Albert Pyun´s Infection. A good
terror and tension movie, and you know? is filmed at Malibu Creek.

Best all.

JR

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In a message dated 9/3/2005 9:18:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Interesting take on the 2001 Remake.

 

I can't believe that's Rory saying that.

Then again that was a few years ago.

 

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We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

Return premiered on this day in 1975� �

Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2005
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Well people's opinions do change over time.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> I can't believe that's Rory saying that.
> Then again that was a few years ago.

Wow to think it was 30 years ago today many of gathered around our TV
sets on a Saturday morning to watch the latest version of POTA. Makes
me feel really old. :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.
>
> Return premiered on this day in 1975
>
> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2005
> Time: All Day

Thanks for passing this on Jeff. I read about Army Archerd's
retirement last week. At the time Escape came out he was doing a
five minute 'Hollywood Report' for a local news station. When the
film came out I recogized him immediately. I didn't realize he had
played an Ape in other films.

As far as FOX is concerned, the problem is the studios are now run
businessmen and not by filmmakers. Other recent franchises have been
more successful because they've had a 'creative guardian'. Star Wars
has Lucas, Star Trek had Roddenberry and the original POTA had
Jacobs.

If FOX were smart they would sell part of the franchise to an
independent producer who would take on that role for future POTA
productions. Then you have someone invested in the quality of the
project and not just some hired guns fulfilling their contract.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> This weekend I picked up two excellent issues of the
entertainment trade paper "Variety". The first is the Sept. 1st
issue, which features Army Archerd's last column for them after 52
years, as well as a nice retropective of his career. POTAers might
know that he was friends with Arthur Jacobs and did cameos in
the "Ape" movies; he was the boxing ref in "Escape" and played some
apes. In fact, in his last column, among his memories, he mentions
visiting the POTA set and reporting on being made into an ape, as
well as when readers "joined me for a tear at eulogies I delivered
to Richard Burton and Arthur Jacobs". I guess he will still be
writing for "Variety", but not his famous column.
> Also, "Variety" picked Fox execs Tom Rothman and Jim Gianopulos
as their "Showmen of the Year" in a huge magazine tribute (92
pages!) that has articles not only on them but on Fox itself and
it's many divisions. There's also interviews of Rothman by Richard
Zanuck and of Gianopulos by James Cameron. Nothing hard hitting.
There's a POTA2001 picture on the Zanuck interview but the film is
not mentioned. There's a history of Fox (during the last decade)
that mentions POTA2001's record opening. There's also a list of Fox
movies in development. No POTA2 but Fox is planning remakes of "Day
the Earth Stood Still", "Fantastic Voyage" and "The Omen". They're
also not against sequels, with new "Die Hard", "Garfield", "Cheaper
By the Dozen", "Big Momma's House" , "Ice Age" and TWO "X-Men" films
in in development.
> Fox is getting credit as the top studio of the year so far at
the box office, thanks to two movies that aren't theirs, they only
get a distribution fee ("Star Wars Episode 3" and "Mr. and Mrs.
Smith") as well as their own "Fantastic 4" (which is owned by
Marvel, thus another franchise Fox is doing for someone else while
their own franchise POTA flounders; are these guys financial
geniuses or what? I guess as long as they get their salary and it
looks good on paper that's all that matters) and "Robots".
> There's also a list of Fox's top hits over the last decade. The
top 15 are: 1. "Titanic" ($1.9 billion worldwide); 2. "Star Wars
Episode 1" ($923 million ww); 3. "Star Wars Episode 3" ( $829
million so far ww); 4. "ID4" ($817 million ww); 5. "Star Wars
Episode 2" ($650 million ww); 6. "Day After Tomorrow" ($543 million
ww); 7. "Die Another Day" ($432 million ww; I guess they had a
connection with this James Bond flick somehow); 8. "Cast Away" ($428
million ww); 9. "X2" ($407 million ww); 10. "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" ($
384 million ww so far); 11. "Ice Age" ($382 million ww); 12. "True
Lies" ($380 million ww); 13. "There's Something About Mary" ($371
million ww); 14. "Die Hard 3" ($361 million ww); and 15. POTA2001 ($
360 million ww). Meanwhile, in my opinion, Fox continues to turn out
crap that take advantage of marketable ideas that have good openings
("Fantastic 4", "Alien vs. Predator", "Day After Tomorrow", "I,
Robot") but don't capture the audiences fancy the way other studios
do. The last time Fox had the # 1 movie of the year was "Titanic"
almost a decade ago. So the idea that these guys are "Showmen of the
year" is laughable to me. Maybe they're "Slight of Hand Men of the
year" or "Jump on George Lucas' Bandwagon Men of the Year"
but "showmen" in terms of putting on a good show? Please. But it's a
fascinating mag that provides a great rundown on Fox.
> In the August issue of "Cinefantastique", Richard Zanuck
says, "With POTA, it seemed we never had a chance to really do what
we wanted to do with it. Before Tim (Burton) even signed on, the
studio had a July 4 release date and there was no script. We started
shooting in November, we finished in March and we had to release it
in July. It was just a panic all the way through - - we were writing
as we were going along and it wasn't the way to make the picture". I
think Burton (and Zanuck) have done an excellent job post- POTA
with "Big Fish" and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" (my favorite
summer movie) and so my eye is more on Fox for the POTA fiasco.
Burton should have told them the schedule and script were
unacceptable (like Oliver Stone and James Cameron did) but probably
felt he could make it work and do better with the sequel. Meanwhile
Fox continues to wallow in mediocrity. So I can't say I'm much
interested in a POTA sequel anymore. Fox will just screw it up
again. Let them knock themselves out building up George Lucas' and
Marvel's franchises. They don't deserve POTA. - - - Jeff

Recent films have had creative guardians too, James. I'd say the
"Spiderman", "Lord of the Rings", "Harry Potter". Not everyone likes those
films but they did right by their source material and perhaps did the
hardest thing of all, pleased fans of the originals. I'd even say Burton has
had a guardian lately; "Big Fish" and "Chocolate Factory" are not the safest
bets around ("Factory" cost $150 million, more than "Apes") but whoever had
the final say let Burton do his thing and the films pleased Burton fans and
others and allowed him to grow. But I still wouldn't say that Burton at his
best is still appropriate for POTA. It needs a solid sci-fi director, not a
cultural commentator like Burton.
So I'm not letting Fox off the hook, and they're obviously embarrassed by
it, so they're not letting themselves off the hook either. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 2:45 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: OT: "Variety" is the spice of
life/POTA2001


> Thanks for passing this on Jeff. I read about Army Archerd's
> retirement last week. At the time Escape came out he was doing a
> five minute 'Hollywood Report' for a local news station. When the
> film came out I recogized him immediately. I didn't realize he had
> played an Ape in other films.
>
> As far as FOX is concerned, the problem is the studios are now run
> businessmen and not by filmmakers. Other recent franchises have been
> more successful because they've had a 'creative guardian'. Star Wars
> has Lucas, Star Trek had Roddenberry and the original POTA had
> Jacobs.
>
> If FOX were smart they would sell part of the franchise to an
> independent producer who would take on that role for future POTA
> productions. Then you have someone invested in the quality of the
> project and not just some hired guns fulfilling their contract.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > This weekend I picked up two excellent issues of the
> entertainment trade paper "Variety". The first is the Sept. 1st
> issue, which features Army Archerd's last column for them after 52
> years, as well as a nice retropective of his career. POTAers might
> know that he was friends with Arthur Jacobs and did cameos in
> the "Ape" movies; he was the boxing ref in "Escape" and played some
> apes. In fact, in his last column, among his memories, he mentions
> visiting the POTA set and reporting on being made into an ape, as
> well as when readers "joined me for a tear at eulogies I delivered
> to Richard Burton and Arthur Jacobs". I guess he will still be
> writing for "Variety", but not his famous column.
> > Also, "Variety" picked Fox execs Tom Rothman and Jim Gianopulos
> as their "Showmen of the Year" in a huge magazine tribute (92
> pages!) that has articles not only on them but on Fox itself and
> it's many divisions. There's also interviews of Rothman by Richard
> Zanuck and of Gianopulos by James Cameron. Nothing hard hitting.
> There's a POTA2001 picture on the Zanuck interview but the film is
> not mentioned. There's a history of Fox (during the last decade)
> that mentions POTA2001's record opening. There's also a list of Fox
> movies in development. No POTA2 but Fox is planning remakes of "Day
> the Earth Stood Still", "Fantastic Voyage" and "The Omen". They're
> also not against sequels, with new "Die Hard", "Garfield", "Cheaper
> By the Dozen", "Big Momma's House" , "Ice Age" and TWO "X-Men" films
> in in development.
> > Fox is getting credit as the top studio of the year so far at
> the box office, thanks to two movies that aren't theirs, they only
> get a distribution fee ("Star Wars Episode 3" and "Mr. and Mrs.
> Smith") as well as their own "Fantastic 4" (which is owned by
> Marvel, thus another franchise Fox is doing for someone else while
> their own franchise POTA flounders; are these guys financial
> geniuses or what? I guess as long as they get their salary and it
> looks good on paper that's all that matters) and "Robots".
> > There's also a list of Fox's top hits over the last decade. The
> top 15 are: 1. "Titanic" ($1.9 billion worldwide); 2. "Star Wars
> Episode 1" ($923 million ww); 3. "Star Wars Episode 3" ( $829
> million so far ww); 4. "ID4" ($817 million ww); 5. "Star Wars
> Episode 2" ($650 million ww); 6. "Day After Tomorrow" ($543 million
> ww); 7. "Die Another Day" ($432 million ww; I guess they had a
> connection with this James Bond flick somehow); 8. "Cast Away" ($428
> million ww); 9. "X2" ($407 million ww); 10. "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" ($
> 384 million ww so far); 11. "Ice Age" ($382 million ww); 12. "True
> Lies" ($380 million ww); 13. "There's Something About Mary" ($371
> million ww); 14. "Die Hard 3" ($361 million ww); and 15. POTA2001 ($
> 360 million ww). Meanwhile, in my opinion, Fox continues to turn out
> crap that take advantage of marketable ideas that have good openings
> ("Fantastic 4", "Alien vs. Predator", "Day After Tomorrow", "I,
> Robot") but don't capture the audiences fancy the way other studios
> do. The last time Fox had the # 1 movie of the year was "Titanic"
> almost a decade ago. So the idea that these guys are "Showmen of the
> year" is laughable to me. Maybe they're "Slight of Hand Men of the
> year" or "Jump on George Lucas' Bandwagon Men of the Year"
> but "showmen" in terms of putting on a good show? Please. But it's a
> fascinating mag that provides a great rundown on Fox.
> > In the August issue of "Cinefantastique", Richard Zanuck
> says, "With POTA, it seemed we never had a chance to really do what
> we wanted to do with it. Before Tim (Burton) even signed on, the
> studio had a July 4 release date and there was no script. We started
> shooting in November, we finished in March and we had to release it
> in July. It was just a panic all the way through - - we were writing
> as we were going along and it wasn't the way to make the picture". I
> think Burton (and Zanuck) have done an excellent job post- POTA
> with "Big Fish" and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" (my favorite
> summer movie) and so my eye is more on Fox for the POTA fiasco.
> Burton should have told them the schedule and script were
> unacceptable (like Oliver Stone and James Cameron did) but probably
> felt he could make it work and do better with the sequel. Meanwhile
> Fox continues to wallow in mediocrity. So I can't say I'm much
> interested in a POTA sequel anymore. Fox will just screw it up
> again. Let them knock themselves out building up George Lucas' and
> Marvel's franchises. They don't deserve POTA. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
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> Each week had guest stars, so there's no telling when a POTA guest
> will show up. I remember there was an episode where Roddy played the
> Devil, and faced off against Montalban (don't remember the season).

That was "The Devil and Mandy Bream." I recorded that off TV Land a
few months ago.

Turns out that Roddy was in several episodes, including a "sequel" to
that episode called "The Devil and Mr. Roarke," though I don't
remember them. Here's a Roddy tribute site that documents the
episodes:

http://www.xmoppet.org/tv/fantasyisland.html"

"The plain! The plain!" That's funny.

Hunter

Fantasy Island---a true tv classic. I used to be addicted to that show--
-possibly because Armando was in it! I'll look out for that, especially
the Roddy episode, which will be good to see. Armando and Caesar was
always the most natural, moving ape/human relationship of Apedom.John,
Scrolls.

MARKETERS FLOCK TO 'KING KONG' CO-PROMOTIONS

Even New York City Officially Embraces the Great Ape Remake

September 05, 2005

By T.L. Stanley

LOS ANGELES (AdAge.com) -- It's one of the most anticipated movies
of the year, with built-in equity in its larger-than-life star, a
director with legions of loyal fans, eye-popping special effects and
a $150 million price tag. But in a year where there seems to be no
sure thing at the box office, Universal Pictures has assembled a
group of A-list marketers in a bid to herd moviegoers back to the
multiplex to see King Kong.

New York City
Leaving no demographic untouched, executives at Universal Studios
Partnerships have linked with Burger King Corp., Nestle, Kellogg
Co., Volkswagen of America, JP Morgan Chase and Toshiba for co-
marketing programs that start as early as this month for the Dec. 14
release. The city of New York, in a rare film promotion, also will
play a role in launching the PG-13 action adventure that stars Naomi
Watts, Jack Black and Adrien Brody. The total estimated promotional
value from the partners is $100 million, on top of an expected $30
million-plus in studio spending.

The need for tie-ins is crucial this year as Hollywood counts on the
all-important fourth quarter to make up for a dismal box office,
down 8% as consumers hole up with home theater systems, the
Internet, video games and time-shifted TV programs. And at least for
now, Universal has some momentum on its side: After a middling year,
its The 40-Year-Old Virgin pulled in about $50 million in its first
two weekends.

Film's director produces ads
Though remakes have generally fared poorly this year, multiple Oscar-
winning director Peter Jackson and the studio are taking pains to
emphasize this King Kong is not a retread of the well-known 1933
classic or its `70s update. Mr. Jackson, whose Lord of the Rings
trilogy has made him a film fanatic's hero, is helping to produce
some of the promotional partners' ad campaigns, with custom digital
effects that blend the marketers' icons with the movie's characters.

Universal has linked with Kellogg and Nestle for some children- and
teen-centric promotions on cereals and candy bars. Burger King,
Toshiba, Chase and Volkswagen aim for adults with giant-size King
Kong food, new technology products linked to the movie's themes, a
Kong credit card and outreach through car dealerships and high-
traffic car shows.

"The quality of the partners is more important than ever," said
Stephanie Sperber, executive vice president of Universal Studios
Partnerships, "as is having complementary marketing messages. Our
partners will get us into places we wouldn't normally be, like car
dealerships and magazines."

5,000 Kong-branded VW Touaregs
Chase, an NBC Universal corporate partner, will run its Kong credit-
card promotion through the fourth quarter, a pivotal time for
consumer spending. Volkswagen, a corporate partner, premiered the
Kong trailer on its Web site in June, with a 100-fold increase in
traffic as a result. Its ads, centered on the Touareg sports utility
vehicle, will show how the car was used by the Kong crew in making
the movie in tough-to-reach New Zealand locations. There will be
5,000 King Kong branded Touaregs produced.

For Universal, it was important to have a mix of marketers, both
traditional grocery-store brands and adult-targeted products and
services. "This isn't Curious George, so we didn't want to be in
every aisle, just adding to the noise at holiday time," Ms. Sperber
said. "We ... didn't go for the typical players in the typical
categories."

http://adage.com/news.cms?newsId=45970#

Mmmmmm....painted covers. There's something so right about Apes and painted covers.This one is a worthy successor to Larkin, Theakston et al. It's moody and makes you want to read the story behind it.The more I see of this new comic, the more excited I am. If Hollywood could get it's head out of its corporate arse, it should ask these guys to helm an Apes movie. John, Scrolls.

All I can say is, you guys (and girls!) are the bomb with these
superlative card sets!...What's next?...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> To celebrate the 30th anniversary of our favorite cartoon, a set of
trading cards using images and adapting the stories from the first
three episodes can now be viewed on Hunter's site.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> For this set I abandoned the design used for the movie and TV sets
and came up with something that I think feels like what Topps would
have produced had they done the set back in 1975. The design has nods
to the original TV series set and the novelizations of the cartoon
episodes.
>
> My thanks as always to Neil Foster for his stunning wrapper art and
to Kassidy Rae for her editorial assistance and encouragement with
the card copy. Thanks also to Hunter for hosting the cards and to
mastering the DVDs so I could get decent screen grabs from these
episodes.
>
> Hi-res printable files and the raw screen grabs will be available
soon.
>
> Greg

Incredible....we should put you guys in a time
machine.......Truly amazing work......I know you must
have spent mahy hours on these and I for one applaud
you.....

Tim

--- Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> To celebrate the 30th anniversary of our favorite
> cartoon, a set of trading cards using images and
> adapting the stories from the first three episodes
> can now be viewed on Hunter's site.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> For this set I abandoned the design used for the
> movie and TV sets and came up with something that I
> think feels like what Topps would have produced had
> they done the set back in 1975. The design has nods
> to the original TV series set and the novelizations
> of the cartoon episodes.
>
> My thanks as always to Neil Foster for his stunning
> wrapper art and to Kassidy Rae for her editorial
> assistance and encouragement with the card copy.
> Thanks also to Hunter for hosting the cards and to
> mastering the DVDs so I could get decent screen
> grabs from these episodes.
>
> Hi-res printable files and the raw screen grabs will
> be available soon.
>
> Greg
>
>

All I can say is, you guys (and girls!) are the bomb with these
superlative card sets!...What's next?...=)

G

We would like to remind you of this upcoming event.

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Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2005
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Jeff, thanks for that link. It's a pretty favourable review and I've
liked the Sideshow figures a lot.The price in the UK has been fairly
steep.I've got four so far, but it is not just a question of cost, but
also storage! The packaging is excellent and this new Caesar is
seriously good, IMHO, so I may need to raid the piggy bank again.With
the new comic, Caesar seems to be the new Paris Hilton lately. John,
Scrolls.

Just got a chance to look them over, Greg. Another wonderful card
set. Kudos to you, Neil and Kass for your work on them.

And nice design too. I think you were right to abandon the Movie and
TV series design. Makes the set seem more realistic.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> To celebrate the 30th anniversary of our favorite cartoon, a set
of trading cards using images and adapting the stories from the
first three episodes can now be viewed on Hunter's site.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> For this set I abandoned the design used for the movie and TV sets
and came up with something that I think feels like what Topps would
have produced had they done the set back in 1975. The design has
nods to the original TV series set and the novelizations of the
cartoon episodes.
>
> My thanks as always to Neil Foster for his stunning wrapper art
and to Kassidy Rae for her editorial assistance and encouragement
with the card copy. Thanks also to Hunter for hosting the cards and
to mastering the DVDs so I could get decent screen grabs from these
episodes.
>
> Hi-res printable files and the raw screen grabs will be available
soon.
>
> Greg

Just wanted to post this link so everyone can find their local comic
store when the new POTA comic arrives: http://csls.diamondcomics.com/
If you get a chance, stop by and request that they carry it. Hell,
don't request, demand that they carry it. ;-)

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In a message dated 9/7/2005 11:08:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Just wanted to post this link so everyone can find their local comic
store when the new POTA comic arrives: http://csls.diamondcomics.com/
If you get a chance, stop by and request that they carry it. Hell,
don't request, demand that they carry it. ;-)

...Just taking a momentary break from deep lurker mode to point out that several comic stores now offer "subscription services" where customers can leave their names and have the store pull the comic(s) that they want and save them out until the customer comes in to pick them all up (usually once a month) This helps out a lot if your afraid of missing an issue.

 

-Caesar

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Hey all
Just a note to let you know that I received an email from Sideshow
informing me that both Mutants will be shipping in the next 30 days.
Also I know that IRONMAN is making a "wish list" to send to Sideshow
complied of the POTA fans and what figures you want to see made. It is
important that you contact him to have him add you to the list. Just
like in Conquest, thier is strength in unitity and this is the only
way we may be able to save the POTA Sideshow line. And for those of
you who complain that Sidshow is charging too much, if you wait until
after the figures release a week or so you can usually pick them up
pretty cheap off of Ebay. I bought Cornelius, Zira, Taylor, Dr. Zaius,
and a Soldier Ape off of Ebay as a set for $95.00. That was a steal
compared to what Sideshow is charging. If you don't have IRONMANS
email, contact me and I can forward it to you.
John

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 9/7/05 11:08:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Just wanted to post this link so everyone can find their local comic
store when the new POTA comic arrives: http://csls.diamondcomics.com/
If you get a chance, stop by and request that they carry it. Hell,
don't request, demand that they carry it. ;-)

I would imagine there's got to be somewhere in the universe you can just order this stuff on the web?

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Hi-res printable files and the raw screen grabs will be available soon.

 

Greg

I sent in a letter ( a copy of it is in the files) of what figures I
would like to see. I received a letter from them in the mail also
stating that at the moment their are no Ape figures in production
but the line was not discontinued. They went on to thank me for the
letter and encouraged me to inform all of the POTA fans I know to
contact them showing interest in the Ape line. The letter stated
that the fans contacting them will more than likely speed up the
powers that be who controls who and what will be in production at a
given time and possibly incourage Sideshow to speed up future Ape
releasesI would love to not only see an Urko (hopefully with a
removable helment) but all of the main TV series regulars. Pete,
Alan, Galen, and the Booth Coleman Zaius. I would also like to see
Prefect Barlow but I wouldn't hold my breath on him
John


In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> I used the customer feedback form on the Sideshow site to express

my dismay that they were ending the PotA line and to say that if
they had been continuing I'd want Urko from the TV series and if
they were going to do another polystone sculpture I'd like to see
the Statue from the end of Planet.

>
> I got a pretty quick reply. Here's the main part:
>
> "Thank you for your e-mail, I am very sorry for the confusion but

we do not have any information about items that could or could not
be coming up in the future. We have not announced that we will be
ending the Planet of the Apes line."

>
> So the line isn't officially dead, or at least they're not telling

people it's dead. Yet.

>
> Greg
>
> John Brandon Kirtley <johnbkirtley@h...> wrote:
> Dear Luke,
>
> I would like to send in a list to Ironman, If you can send me his

contact that would be great. Ta.

>
> John B Kirtley
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: luke_the_drifter52
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 08 September 2005 08:36
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Sideshow Planet of the Apes Mutants
>
>
> Hey all
> Just a note to let you know that I received an email from Sideshow
> informing me that both Mutants will be shipping in the next 30

days.

> Also I know that IRONMAN is making a "wish list" to send to

Sideshow

> complied of the POTA fans and what figures you want to see made.

It is

> important that you contact him to have him add you to the list.

Just

> like in Conquest, thier is strength in unitity and this is the

only

> way we may be able to save the POTA Sideshow line. And for those

of

> you who complain that Sidshow is charging too much, if you wait

until

> after the figures release a week or so you can usually pick them

up

> pretty cheap off of Ebay. I bought Cornelius, Zira, Taylor, Dr.

Zaius,

> and a Soldier Ape off of Ebay as a set for $95.00. That was a

steal

> compared to what Sideshow is charging. If you don't have IRONMANS
> email, contact me and I can forward it to you.
> John

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In a message dated 9/8/2005 7:42:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, urko3085@... writes:

if they were going to do another polystone sculpture I'd like to see the Statue from the end of Planet.

 

Yeah!  Great for sandboxes and aquariums!

 

 

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