--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
In his situation he does much
> reflection on himself and his circumstances. He is intelligent and
despite his
> cynicalism in the beginning towards humankind, his character grows
and develops in
> the movie(something rare in current movies). He also appreciates
those who
> helped him(Zira and Cornelius). Elaine
>
>

Please don't take exception to this. I think I just come at this
from a different perspective.

I think Taylor is obsessively introspective, even before his
situation on the PotA, while he is getting ready for hypersleep. He
is annoying and confrontational with Dodge and Landon after the
crash. He is depraved in his initial relationship with Nova, and
weighs (and justifies) his corruption during that event.
He "trusts" Cornelius and Zira and forms a relationship with them,
but it is to his personal benefit to do so.

I'm not saying he isn't a fun guy at a party, just that I'm not
guessing he comes to that party with a lot of close friends.

Don't forget, he blew up the world. I can't think of many people
who are that selfrighteous.

Just my opinion.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
In his situation he does much
> reflection on himself and his circumstances. He is intelligent and
despite his
> cynicalism in the beginning towards humankind, his character grows
and develops in
> the movie(something rare in current movies). He also appreciates
those who
> helped him(Zira and Cornelius). Elaine
>
>

Please don't take exception to this.  I think I just come at this
from a different perspective.

I think Taylor is obsessively introspective, even before his
situation on the PotA, while he is getting ready for hypersleep.  He
is annoying and confrontational with Dodge and Landon after the
crash.  He is depraved in his initial relationship with Nova, and
weighs (and justifies) his corruption during that event. 
He "trusts" Cornelius and Zira and forms a relationship with them,
but it is to his personal benefit to do so. 

I'm not saying he isn't a fun guy at a party, just that I'm not
guessing he comes to that party with a lot of close friends.

Don't forget, he blew up the world.  I can't think of many people
who are that selfrighteous.

Just my opinion.

Helen

  That's right, he did blow up the world. Good point. Also, he took his clothes off and went swimming on a planet he really wasn't familar with thinking he had nothing to worry about because the humans he saw didn't appear intelligent. Mistake. Elaine

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> ... Also, he took his
> clothes off and went swimming on a planet he really wasn't familar

>

> Lot's of new things to see (including gorillas flying Jet planes!)

>
> <http://www.mrcomics.ca>
>
> Dave

>
> In a message dated 9/28/2005 3:50:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Don't forget, he blew up the world. I can't think of many people
> who are that selfrighteous.
>
>
>
> There are probably more than you think.
> His girl had just been shot, his friend had
> just been shot, and he'd just been shot.
> He had to be pretty pissed off. Not to
> mention that as he's laying there bleeding
> to death begging for help, Dr. Zaius is
> giving him an earful about how Man is
> capable of nothing but destruction.
> I'm not saying it's right, but I'd probably
> hit the button just to shut him up. I'm
> sure we've all had bad days where if we
> had The Button handy, we'd push it. He
> just happen to have it right there, on the
> worst day of his life. I can't really blame him.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
> Lot's of new things to see (including gorillas flying Jet planes!)
at:
>
> <http://www.mrcomics.ca>
>
> Dave

Is this something that real people will be able to buy?  If so, how? 
We are pretty rural here.  The closest comic book store is, literally,
2 hours away in another state.

Helen

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> Hey guys. Just letting you know that all things considered me and my
> family are fine. We were without power for almost a month and I

> up the phone and was shocked I actually got a dial tone tonight for
> the first time. I look foward to catching up with everyone and

> out what I've missed while I was on my mandatory camping trip.

> get better everyday and I know there is life after Katrina. Its

> late here so I'll talk with you all soon. --Dr. Zaius Davis

> Biologists Observe Gorillas Using Tools By JOSEPH B.
> VERRENGIA, AP
> Science Writer
> Fri Sep 30, 2:36 AM ET
>
>
>
> For the first time, biologists have documented
> gorillas in the wild
> using simple tools, such as poking a stick in a
> swampy pool of water
> to check its depth.
>
> Until now, scientists had seen gorillas use tools
> only in captivity.
> Among the great apes, tool use in the wild was
> thought to be a
> survival skill reserved for smaller chimpanzees and
> orangutans.
>
> The research in the Republic of Congo's rainforests
> was led by
> Thomas Breuer of the Wildlife Conservation Society
> at the Bronx Zoo,
> which released details of his study. Breuer is in
> Africa and was not
> immediately available for an interview.
>
> "This is a truly astounding discovery," he said in a
>
> statement. "Tool usage in wild apes provides us with
> valuable
> insights into the evolution of our own species and
> the abilities of
> other species."
>
> Other scientists said the observations were
> important, but not
> surprising.
>
> Breuer's observations were made late last year in a
> marshy clearing
> called Mbeli Baia located in Nouabale-Ndoki National
> Park where
> monitoring has been ongoing since February 1995.
>
> The first instance was observed last October when a
> female gorilla
> (nicknamed Leah by scientists) attempted to wade
> through a pool of
> water created by elephants, but found herself waist
> deep after only
> a few steps. Climbing out of the pool, she retrieved
> a branch from a
> dead tree and used the stick to test the depth of
> the water.
>
> In November, a second female gorilla (named Efi)
> used a detached
> tree trunk to support herself with one hand while
> digging for herbs
> with the other hand. She also used the tree trunk as
> a bridge to
> cross a muddy patch of ground.
>
> Details of the findings are being published in the
> online journal
> PLoS (Public Library of Science) Biology. Video of
> the gorillas will
> be broadcast Saturday on the PBS program "Wild
> Chronicles."
>
> Fairly or not, gorillas have been considered less
> capable than other
> great apes, in part because they have not been as
> extensively
> studied.
>
> Chimps, for example, have been continuously observed
> in the field
> for 40 years since Jane Goodall launched her
> landmark study at Gombe
> Stream in Tanzania. They have become stars of
> television
> documentaries and glossy magazine articles,
> displaying their
> extensive of use of rocks to break open hard-shelled
> nuts and sticks
> to "fish" termites from mounds.
>
> In contrast, gorillas are much larger, stronger and
> slower.
>
> "Chimps are portrayed as the super-ape and gorillas
> are the big
> brutes in the forest," said Richard Carroll, a
> primate expert and
> director of the Africa program at the World Wildlife
> Fund in
> Washington, D.C. He has conducted gorilla field
> studies since 1980.
> He did not contribute to Breuer's report.
>
> "Gorillas are very intelligent, but they don't have
> to be as
> delicate as chimps — they can just smash open the
> termite nest,"
> said Carroll, who a decade ago reported observing
> gorillas using
> sticks to ward off attacking leopards.
>
> "New studies like this show that especially lowland
> gorillas are
> very chimplike in their abilities," he said.
>
> Carroll said the new study was made possible by the
> establishment of
> protected parks in Congo by agreements between
> conservation groups,
> international agencies and the government. The
> populations of
> gorillas and other great apes are severely imperiled
> by logging,
> hunting and outbreaks of the Ebola virus. And,
> civil war in
> Congo has made field science dangerous for years.
>
> "It's a tribute to conservation efforts that allow
> people to sit and
> observe and not be in fear of their lives," he said.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

In a message dated 9/29/2005 8:36:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Yeah, I don't think they (he) get(s) too many points for "clever."  I
suppose it depends just how long they had been walking, but they
doesn't really show much thought about it.  "Oh, water.  There might
be life here after all.  Let's go swimming!"  (Diving into an unknown
pool isn't usually the best idea anyway.  Rocks?  Crocks?)

 

I dunno . . . If I'm the type of guy who's going to volunteer

to travel 2000 years into the future to prove someone's

theory, I don't think I'd give diving into a pool of water

after marching days in the desert a second thought.

 

 

   The water could also be contaminated. Elaine

---

Biologists Observe Gorillas Using Tools By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, AP
Science Writer
Fri Sep 30, 2:36 AM ET



For the first time, biologists have documented gorillas in the wild
using simple tools, such as poking a stick in a swampy pool of water
to check its depth.

Until now, scientists had seen gorillas use tools only in captivity.
Among the great apes, tool use in the wild was thought to be a
survival skill reserved for smaller chimpanzees and orangutans.

The research in the Republic of Congo's rainforests was led by
Thomas Breuer of the Wildlife Conservation Society at the Bronx Zoo,
which released details of his study. Breuer is in Africa and was not
immediately available for an interview.

"This is a truly astounding discovery," he said in a
statement. "Tool usage in wild apes provides us with valuable
insights into the evolution of our own species and the abilities of
other species."

Other scientists said the observations were important, but not
surprising.

Breuer's observations were made late last year in a marshy clearing
called Mbeli Baia located in Nouabale-Ndoki National Park where
monitoring has been ongoing since February 1995.

The first instance was observed last October when a female gorilla
(nicknamed Leah by scientists) attempted to wade through a pool of
water created by elephants, but found herself waist deep after only
a few steps. Climbing out of the pool, she retrieved a branch from a
dead tree and used the stick to test the depth of the water.

In November, a second female gorilla (named Efi) used a detached
tree trunk to support herself with one hand while digging for herbs
with the other hand. She also used the tree trunk as a bridge to
cross a muddy patch of ground.

Details of the findings are being published in the online journal
PLoS (Public Library of Science) Biology. Video of the gorillas will
be broadcast Saturday on the PBS program "Wild Chronicles."

Fairly or not, gorillas have been considered less capable than other
great apes, in part because they have not been as extensively
studied.

Chimps, for example, have been continuously observed in the field
for 40 years since Jane Goodall launched her landmark study at Gombe
Stream in Tanzania. They have become stars of television
documentaries and glossy magazine articles, displaying their
extensive of use of rocks to break open hard-shelled nuts and sticks
to "fish" termites from mounds.

In contrast, gorillas are much larger, stronger and slower.

"Chimps are portrayed as the super-ape and gorillas are the big
brutes in the forest," said Richard Carroll, a primate expert and
director of the Africa program at the World Wildlife Fund in
Washington, D.C. He has conducted gorilla field studies since 1980.
He did not contribute to Breuer's report.

"Gorillas are very intelligent, but they don't have to be as
delicate as chimps — they can just smash open the termite nest,"
said Carroll, who a decade ago reported observing gorillas using
sticks to ward off attacking leopards.

"New studies like this show that especially lowland gorillas are
very chimplike in their abilities," he said.

Carroll said the new study was made possible by the establishment of
protected parks in Congo by agreements between conservation groups,
international agencies and the government. The populations of
gorillas and other great apes are severely imperiled by logging,
hunting and outbreaks of the     Ebola virus. And, civil war in
Congo has made field science dangerous for years.

"It's a tribute to conservation efforts that allow people to sit and
observe and not be in fear of their lives," he said.

 Thanks for sharing this article, Helen. I always assumed gorillas used tools, I never knew they hadn't been observed using tools until recently. Elaine

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> Hey guys. Just letting you know that all things considered me and my
> family are fine. We were without power for almost a month and I
picked
> up the phone and was shocked I actually got a dial tone tonight for
> the first time. I look foward to catching up with everyone and
finding
> out what I've missed while I was on my mandatory camping trip. Things
> get better everyday and I know there is life after Katrina. Its
really
> late here so I'll talk with you all soon. --Dr. Zaius Davis

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> Glad to hear it, John...Us here in Southern California, are fighting
> the opposite problem -- its the brush-fire season...
>
> G
>

> Are you close to the fires, Glen? I hope you and yours are safe.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > Glad to hear it, John...Us here in Southern California, are

> > the opposite problem -- its the brush-fire season...
> >
> > G
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> Yes, unfortunately...
> If you've followed the news, you have probably heard about the
> Chatsworth fire and the Simi Valley fire...Simi Valley is roughly
7
> miles long by 5 miles wide, all surrounded by hills,
> naturally...Chatsworth is at one end of us, at the border between
Los
> Angeles County and Ventura County...
> When the brush-fires start, they usually sweep the hills,
sometimes
> all around us...This time we were lucky and they only took out the
> south length of the valley...
> They're out, today, so it wasn't too bad, so far this year...
>
> Thanks for asking...
>
> G

> We are pretty fortunate where we are.

> Virtually no hurricanes or
> tornadoes (an occasional microburst), rare forest fires, pretty

> thunderstorms, an occasional bear but no mountain lions or
> alligators, no poisonous snakes or spiders, nothing that eats
> people, no tsunamis, and only mild and rare (every ten years?)
> earthquakes. We get blizzards and we lose our power frequently,

> that is about it

>
> Glad to hear you are safe.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > Yes, unfortunately...
> > If you've followed the news, you have probably heard about the
> > Chatsworth fire and the Simi Valley fire...Simi Valley is roughly
> 7
> > miles long by 5 miles wide, all surrounded by hills,
> > naturally...Chatsworth is at one end of us, at the border between
> Los
> > Angeles County and Ventura County...
> > When the brush-fires start, they usually sweep the hills,
> sometimes
> > all around us...This time we were lucky and they only took out

> > south length of the valley...
> > They're out, today, so it wasn't too bad, so far this year...
> >
> > Thanks for asking...
> >
> > G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> > We are pretty fortunate where we are.
>
> Where are you at?...
>
> > Virtually no hurricanes or
> > tornadoes (an occasional microburst), rare forest fires, pretty
> mild
> > thunderstorms, an occasional bear but no mountain lions or
> > alligators, no poisonous snakes or spiders, nothing that eats
> > people, no tsunamis, and only mild and rare (every ten years?)
> > earthquakes. We get blizzards and we lose our power frequently,
> but
> > that is about it
>
> We have the occasional Mountain Lion
problem...Rattlesnakes...Bees,
> wasps, hornets, Black Widows...Small earthquakes, and the
> occasional "waker-upper"...Thunder-storms...Hey, it's all in good
> fun, eh?...=)
> >
> > Glad to hear you are safe.
>
> We are...And thanks again for asking...
>
> G
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...>
wrote:
> > > Yes, unfortunately...
> > > If you've followed the news, you have probably heard about the
> > > Chatsworth fire and the Simi Valley fire...Simi Valley is
roughly
> > 7
> > > miles long by 5 miles wide, all surrounded by hills,
> > > naturally...Chatsworth is at one end of us, at the border
between
> > Los
> > > Angeles County and Ventura County...
> > > When the brush-fires start, they usually sweep the hills,
> > sometimes
> > > all around us...This time we were lucky and they only took out
> the
> > > south length of the valley...
> > > They're out, today, so it wasn't too bad, so far this year...
> > >
> > > Thanks for asking...
> > >
> > > G

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> > We are pretty fortunate where we are.
>
> Where are you at?...
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
> Does anybody know if the Ed Norton who had a letter published in
> issue#29 of the Marvel Apes mag is THE Ed Norton? He's got a Brooklyn
> address on the letter.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Fox has announced the release date (December 13) for the 7th season DVD set of top-
selling "The Simpsons", which includes the episode "A Fish Called Selma" which includes the
POTA musical which includes "Dr. Zauis, Dr. Zauis...".

> Dear fellow ape fans-
>
> I am considering doing a
> special 4oth anniversary
> deluxe edition of PLANET OF
> THE APES REVISITED.Many of
> you are probably familiar
> with the 2001 St.Martin's
> press edition of this
> book.It was NOT done as per
> our initial agreement and I
> was very disspointed with
> the design and photo
> quality.My experience with
> the publishing company
> was a nightmare.They
> took 17 years of careful
> thought and research and
> slapped it out with little
> consideration to our
> artistic integrity.Some
> examples;the book was
> contracted as a
> hardcover,larger
> format,glossy
> paper,better quality.In fact
> I did not even SEE the color
> section until I received the
> finished product! The TEXT
> stands up,and I proudly
> believe our telling of the
> making of the APES series is
> the definitive document,but
> the book does not LOOK like
> it was supposed to.So I am
> interested in your comments
> and feedback--and especially
> your suggestions and
> contributions--to this
> potential special
> reprint.Feel free to contact
> me and thanks to all who
> have supported this book
> since 2001.
> JOE RUSSO

> In a message dated 9/30/2005 9:38:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> Biologists Observe Gorillas Using Tools By JOSEPH B. VERRENGIA, AP
> Science Writer
> Fri Sep 30, 2:36 AM ET
>
>
>
> For the first time, biologists have documented gorillas in the

> using simple tools, such as poking a stick in a swampy pool of

> to check its depth.
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing this article, Helen. I always assumed gorillas

> tools, I never knew they hadn't been observed using tools until

>
>

> Dear fellow ape fans-
>
> I am considering doing a
> special 4oth anniversary
> deluxe edition of PLANET OF
> THE APES REVISITED.Many of
> you are probably familiar
> with the 2001 St.Martin's
> press edition of this
> book.It was NOT done as per
> our initial agreement and I
> was very disspointed with
> the design and photo
> quality.My experience with
> the publishing company
> was a nightmare.They
> took 17 years of careful
> thought and research and
> slapped it out with little
> consideration to our
> artistic integrity.Some
> examples;the book was
> contracted as a
> hardcover,larger
> format,glossy
> paper,better quality.In fact
> I did not even SEE the color
> section until I received the
> finished product! The TEXT
> stands up,and I proudly
> believe our telling of the
> making of the APES series is
> the definitive document,but
> the book does not LOOK like
> it was supposed to.So I am
> interested in your comments
> and feedback--and especially
> your suggestions and
> contributions--to this
> potential special
> reprint.Feel free to contact
> me and thanks to all who
> have supported this book
> since 2001.
> JOE RUSSO

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Welcome to the group Joe. It's an honor to have you here.

> I think most ape fans would love to see your book given the
> publishing treatment that it deserves.
>
> I'm sure most fans would like to see more
> color behind the scenes pictures as well as those from deleted
> scenes.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:38 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Joe Russo (POTA Revisited author) joining group

In a message dated 10/5/2005 7:17:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

I would like to see character profile section along with more color photos and maybe a section written by Natalie Trundy or Linda Harrison.

 

Have they been interviewed lately?

It may be the last chance.  Heston

probably won't be giving many more.

 

> Hello!
>
> I have looked over your many
> comments in response to my
> announcement reagrding a
> possible special 40th
> anniversary edition of
> PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED.
>
> I appreciate your input,it
> is invaluable,and please
> continue to tell others so I
> may hear their suggestions
> as well.
>
> I will attempt to address
> some of the intentions I
> have for the new edition
> that were asked in the
> various e-mails I recieved.
>
> Firstly,I plan to have the
> book entirely re-designed
> (with friend and fellow apes
> fanatic Frank Maiocco who is
> an expert designer in the
> publishing business).So
> right off the bat,the book
> will NOT resemble POTAR
> 2001.I will probably use 50%
> NEW and DIFFERENT
> photos,retaining some and
> replacing others.The
> text will,for the most
> part,remain the same.I have
> not done any additional
> research and do no wish to
> tamper with the
> narrative,and open
> can of editing
> nightmares.What I AM
> considering is publishing
> some of my interviews in
> unedited form as
> a bonus.For instance,my
> interview with the late
> JAMES FRANCISCUS remains ,to
> my knowledge,the only in-
> depth comments he ever made
> about his involvement in
> BENEATH.The same with Severn
> Darden,etc.
>
> Some have asked if we would
> be
> expanding on the TIM BURTON
> remake chapter.In a
> word...NO! In fact,I will
> probably eliminate it
> altogether. I
> despised what the film did
> to the franchise and the
> only reason it was even
> included in the first
> edition was because the
> publisher felt it was
> necessary to keep
> it "relevent to the
> present".Now that that film
> has come and gone the way of
> the edsel,we are free to
> keep the book as it was
> intended-to preserve the
> legacy of the original films
> (and to a lesser extent, TV
> series).
>
> Speaking of the CBS Apes TV
> series,my interview with
> late producer Herb Hirschman
> was very extensive and would
> probably be of great
> interest to the cult I know
> that exists surrounding the
> TV series.
>
> One criticism I'd like to
> answer to here,that I have
> read in several internet
> reviews of the book,is why
> there were
> no "merchandising"
> or "fandom"-type chapters in
> the
> book.I was very miffed by
> these comments.Simply,the
> book is not about the
> apes "phenomenon"- it is
> specificly about the behind-
> the-scenes
> production of the films.We
> also never went into much
> detail about the
> critical/commercial
> responses the films
> received.Again,this was by
> design.We capsulized some
> pro and con comments and
> left it at that.My thory is
> no one can
> tell someone else how to
> appreciate a film.There are
> so many variables that make
> us "love" a movie.For
> instance,I have an
> overwhelming affinity for
> BENEATH,even though I
> recognize it's
> shortcomings.To this
> day,there are elememts of
> BENEATH that, for me, are
> among the highlights of the
> entire series.
>
> So my intention for this
> possible new edition is to
> make it a better experience
> to read and enjoy,rather
> that "add to".We were very
> thorough the first time
> around,I feel.In fact,some
> complained it was TOO
> detailed with minutae!
>
> Again,thank you for your
> continued suppot and PLEASE
> keep your comments and
> suggestions coming. They are
> the inspiration I need to
> draw from to get this thing
> done!
>
> JOE RUSSO

>
> Hello!
>
> I have looked over your many
> comments in response to my
> announcement reagrding a
> possible special 40th
> anniversary edition of
> PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED.
>
> I appreciate your input,it
> is invaluable,and please
> continue to tell others so I
> may hear their suggestions
> as well.
>
> I will attempt to address
> some of the intentions I
> have for the new edition
> that were asked in the
> various e-mails I recieved.
>
> Firstly,I plan to have the
> book entirely re-designed
> (with friend and fellow apes
> fanatic Frank Maiocco who is
> an expert designer in the
> publishing business).So
> right off the bat,the book
> will NOT resemble POTAR
> 2001.I will probably use 50%
> NEW and DIFFERENT
> photos,retaining some and
> replacing others.The
> text will,for the most
> part,remain the same.I have
> not done any additional
> research and do no wish to
> tamper with the
> narrative,and open
> can of editing
> nightmares.What I AM
> considering is publishing
> some of my interviews in
> unedited form as
> a bonus.For instance,my
> interview with the late
> JAMES FRANCISCUS remains ,to
> my knowledge,the only in-
> depth comments he ever made
> about his involvement in
> BENEATH.The same with Severn
> Darden,etc.
>
> Some have asked if we would
> be
> expanding on the TIM BURTON
> remake chapter.In a
> word...NO! In fact,I will
> probably eliminate it
> altogether. I
> despised what the film did
> to the franchise and the
> only reason it was even
> included in the first
> edition was because the
> publisher felt it was
> necessary to keep
> it "relevent to the
> present".Now that that film
> has come and gone the way of
> the edsel,we are free to
> keep the book as it was
> intended-to preserve the
> legacy of the original films
> (and to a lesser extent, TV
> series).
>
> Speaking of the CBS Apes TV
> series,my interview with
> late producer Herb Hirschman
> was very extensive and would
> probably be of great
> interest to the cult I know
> that exists surrounding the
> TV series.
>
> One criticism I'd like to
> answer to here,that I have
> read in several internet
> reviews of the book,is why
> there were
> no "merchandising"
> or "fandom"-type chapters in
> the
> book.I was very miffed by
> these comments.Simply,the
> book is not about the
> apes "phenomenon"- it is
> specificly about the behind-
> the-scenes
> production of the films.We
> also never went into much
> detail about the
> critical/commercial
> responses the films
> received.Again,this was by
> design.We capsulized some
> pro and con comments and
> left it at that.My thory is
> no one can
> tell someone else how to
> appreciate a film.There are
> so many variables that make
> us "love" a movie.For
> instance,I have an
> overwhelming affinity for
> BENEATH,even though I
> recognize it's
> shortcomings.To this
> day,there are elememts of
> BENEATH that, for me, are
> among the highlights of the
> entire series.
>
> So my intention for this
> possible new edition is to
> make it a better experience
> to read and enjoy,rather
> that "add to".We were very
> thorough the first time
> around,I feel.In fact,some
> complained it was TOO
> detailed with minutae!
>
> Again,thank you for your
> continued suppot and PLEASE
> keep your comments and
> suggestions coming. They are
> the inspiration I need to
> draw from to get this thing
> done!
>
> JOE RUSSO
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
>
> I've found the first issue of Mr. Comics' Revolution on the Planet
of the Apes mini-series available for pre-ordering on at least two
sites that take pre-orders.
>
> www.westfieldcomics.com and www.milehighcomics.com
>
> It will cost you about $10 including postage to order the comic
from either of these sites.
>
> Here's a link to a list of sites that sell comics online. While I
can recommend both Westfield and Mile High because I've ordered from
both and not had any problems, I can't personally vouch for any of
the others on this list, although I've heard that Discount Comic
Book Service (http://www.dcbservice.com/) is good.
>
> Here's the list. You may find a better discount and/or lower
shipping costs if you look around.
>
>
http://www.comicbookresources.com/resources/links/Stores/Online_Shopp
ing/
>
> Greg
>

>
> Hello!
>
> I have looked over your many
> comments in response to my
> announcement reagrding a
> possible special 40th
> anniversary edition of
> PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED.
>
> I appreciate your input,it
> is invaluable,and please
> continue to tell others so I
> may hear their suggestions
> as well.
>
> I will attempt to address
> some of the intentions I
> have for the new edition
> that were asked in the
> various e-mails I recieved.
>
> Firstly,I plan to have the
> book entirely re-designed
> (with friend and fellow apes
> fanatic Frank Maiocco who is
> an expert designer in the
> publishing business).So
> right off the bat,the book
> will NOT resemble POTAR
> 2001.I will probably use 50%
> NEW and DIFFERENT
> photos,retaining some and
> replacing others.The
> text will,for the most
> part,remain the same.I have
> not done any additional
> research and do no wish to
> tamper with the
> narrative,and open
> can of editing
> nightmares.What I AM
> considering is publishing
> some of my interviews in
> unedited form as
> a bonus.For instance,my
> interview with the late
> JAMES FRANCISCUS remains ,to
> my knowledge,the only in-
> depth comments he ever made
> about his involvement in
> BENEATH.The same with Severn
> Darden,etc.
>
> Some have asked if we would
> be
> expanding on the TIM BURTON
> remake chapter.In a
> word...NO! In fact,I will
> probably eliminate it
> altogether. I
> despised what the film did
> to the franchise and the
> only reason it was even
> included in the first
> edition was because the
> publisher felt it was
> necessary to keep
> it "relevent to the
> present".Now that that film
> has come and gone the way of
> the edsel,we are free to
> keep the book as it was
> intended-to preserve the
> legacy of the original films
> (and to a lesser extent, TV
> series).
>
> Speaking of the CBS Apes TV
> series,my interview with
> late producer Herb Hirschman
> was very extensive and would
> probably be of great
> interest to the cult I know
> that exists surrounding the
> TV series.
>
> One criticism I'd like to
> answer to here,that I have
> read in several internet
> reviews of the book,is why
> there were
> no "merchandising"
> or "fandom"-type chapters in
> the
> book.I was very miffed by
> these comments.Simply,the
> book is not about the
> apes "phenomenon"- it is
> specificly about the behind-
> the-scenes
> production of the films.We
> also never went into much
> detail about the
> critical/commercial
> responses the films
> received.Again,this was by
> design.We capsulized some
> pro and con comments and
> left it at that.My thory is
> no one can
> tell someone else how to
> appreciate a film.There are
> so many variables that make
> us "love" a movie.For
> instance,I have an
> overwhelming affinity for
> BENEATH,even though I
> recognize it's
> shortcomings.To this
> day,there are elememts of
> BENEATH that, for me, are
> among the highlights of the
> entire series.
>
> So my intention for this
> possible new edition is to
> make it a better experience
> to read and enjoy,rather
> that "add to".We were very
> thorough the first time
> around,I feel.In fact,some
> complained it was TOO
> detailed with minutae!
>
> Again,thank you for your
> continued suppot and PLEASE
> keep your comments and
> suggestions coming. They are
> the inspiration I need to
> draw from to get this thing
> done!
>
> JOE RUSSO
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
>
> I've found the first issue of Mr. Comics' Revolution on the Planet
of the Apes mini-series available for pre-ordering on at least two
sites that take pre-orders.
>
> www.westfieldcomics.com and www.milehighcomics.com
>
> It will cost you about $10 including postage to order the comic
from either of these sites.
>
> Here's a link to a list of sites that sell comics online. While I
can recommend both Westfield and Mile High because I've ordered from
both and not had any problems, I can't personally vouch for any of
the others on this list, although I've heard that Discount Comic
Book Service (http://www.dcbservice.com/) is good.
>
> Here's the list. You may find a better discount and/or lower
shipping costs if you look around.
>
>
http://www.comicbookresources.com/resources/links/Stores/Online_Shopp
ing/
>
> Greg
>

I'm happy to announce  that the Lawgiver has returned from his two week vacation in Vegas and a new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available.

You can access the lesson via the banner on the home page or via this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

> Hello!
>
> I have looked over your many
> comments in response to my
> announcement reagrding a
> possible special 40th
> anniversary edition of
> PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED.
>
> I appreciate your input,it
> is invaluable,and please
> continue to tell others so I
> may hear their suggestions
> as well.
>
> I will attempt to address
> some of the intentions I
> have for the new edition
> that were asked in the
> various e-mails I recieved.
>
> Firstly,I plan to have the
> book entirely re-designed
> (with friend and fellow apes
> fanatic Frank Maiocco who is
> an expert designer in the
> publishing business).So
> right off the bat,the book
> will NOT resemble POTAR
> 2001.I will probably use 50%
> NEW and DIFFERENT
> photos,retaining some and
> replacing others.The
> text will,for the most
> part,remain the same.I have
> not done any additional
> research and do no wish to
> tamper with the
> narrative,and open
> can of editing
> nightmares.What I AM
> considering is publishing
> some of my interviews in
> unedited form as
> a bonus.For instance,my
> interview with the late
> JAMES FRANCISCUS remains ,to
> my knowledge,the only in-
> depth comments he ever made
> about his involvement in
> BENEATH.The same with Severn
> Darden,etc.
>
> Some have asked if we would
> be
> expanding on the TIM BURTON
> remake chapter.In a
> word...NO! In fact,I will
> probably eliminate it
> altogether. I
> despised what the film did
> to the franchise and the
> only reason it was even
> included in the first
> edition was because the
> publisher felt it was
> necessary to keep
> it "relevent to the
> present".Now that that film
> has come and gone the way of
> the edsel,we are free to
> keep the book as it was
> intended-to preserve the
> legacy of the original films
> (and to a lesser extent, TV
> series).
>
> Speaking of the CBS Apes TV
> series,my interview with
> late producer Herb Hirschman
> was very extensive and would
> probably be of great
> interest to the cult I know
> that exists surrounding the
> TV series.
>
> One criticism I'd like to
> answer to here,that I have
> read in several internet
> reviews of the book,is why
> there were
> no "merchandising"
> or "fandom"-type chapters in
> the
> book.I was very miffed by
> these comments.Simply,the
> book is not about the
> apes "phenomenon"- it is
> specificly about the behind-
> the-scenes
> production of the films.We
> also never went into much
> detail about the
> critical/commercial
> responses the films
> received.Again,this was by
> design.We capsulized some
> pro and con comments and
> left it at that.My thory is
> no one can
> tell someone else how to
> appreciate a film.There are
> so many variables that make
> us "love" a movie.For
> instance,I have an
> overwhelming affinity for
> BENEATH,even though I
> recognize it's
> shortcomings.To this
> day,there are elememts of
> BENEATH that, for me, are
> among the highlights of the
> entire series.
>
> So my intention for this
> possible new edition is to
> make it a better experience
> to read and enjoy,rather
> that "add to".We were very
> thorough the first time
> around,I feel.In fact,some
> complained it was TOO
> detailed with minutae!
>
> Again,thank you for your
> continued suppot and PLEASE
> keep your comments and
> suggestions coming. They are
> the inspiration I need to
> draw from to get this thing
> done!
>
> JOE RUSSO
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/6/05 2:04:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> softparadeband@y... writes:
>
>
> > Some have asked if we would
> > be
> > expanding on the TIM BURTON
> > remake chapter.In a
> > word...NO! In fact,I will
> > probably eliminate it
> > altogether.
>
> I'm in the "eliminate it all together" camp. The movie was a
mistake and
> it's the duty of every classic APES fan to do whatever they can to
bury its
> memory. Just forget about that dreadful movie -- PLEASE!
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/6/05 3:10:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > I would luv to see that interview of James Franciscus...BTPOTA is
my
> > favorite in the series, and Brent is my favorite human (aside
from
> > Nova, for different reasons...)...
> > Also, 50% new photos?!!...That's great!!!...
> >
> > Keep us posted, PLEASE!!!...=)
> >
> > G
> >
>
> Joe Russo has behind-the-scenes photos from BENEATH that are
fantastic. I've
> seen some of them.
>
> Remember in Roddy McDowall's home movies the shot of the Fox
Studios in 1967
> with the sign on the building that read "Think 20th"?
>
> Well, now it's time for APES fans to "Think 40th." Dropping Fox a
few notes
> to remind them as well can't hurt.
>
> -- Rory
>

IMHO, POTA2001 wasn't a "bad" movie, per se, it was a mediocre sci fi
movie...What it wasn't was "Planet of the Apes", and it should never
have been called that...
Just because I wrote a story with a "United Federation of Planets"
that used "warp-drive", "phasers", "tricorders" and "transporters",
there's no way that would make it "Star Trek"...

G

 

  Joe's book should stick with the classic apes since there are already a few books about pota 2001 anyways. That is a good point about Star Trek, there are stories with Star trek

elements that are not Star trek. Elaine

>
> Too bad Linda didn't have anything new to say on PLANET or BENEATH... Her
> interview replies seem to be the same thing over and over... (Then again, the
> questions are the same a lot of the time...)
>
> At least the Paul Williams interview was something fresh as far as cast
> interviews go... The interviewer should have asked him if he'd consider doing an
> audio commentary on BATTLE if FOX would ever decide to do another DVD release of
> the film...
>

>
> Joe,
>
> If you're still around, you may want to cover in the new edition two
> questions that have plagued POTA fans for years.
>
> First, why were the Alpha-Omega bomb scenes cut from Battle? They

> included in promotional materials such as the lobby cards and Herald,
> but excised from the final film. And while your at it, what was the
> genesis of the Extended version of Battle that restored these scenes?

>
> Second, why was the series set on the West Coast? Was it a deliberate
> creative decision or just haphazard?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> I love the homepage, James. I'm wondering if you have a large jpg of
> the collage that you could send my way...
>
> So, did someone here just get married?
>
> Helen
>

It looks like the new comic is getting some great buzz on the web. Not only are some comics blogs talking about it (http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/112827989852421.htm & http://spiltink.dreamhost.com/blogs/2005/09/hey-kids-comics-news-for-september.html") but Diamond Comics made it their staff pick of the month (http://previews.diamondcomics.com/default.asp?t=1&m=1&c=6&s=221&ai=22139 ). Looks like this is finally the comic that some of us have been waiting for for 30 years.

Also, be sure to check out the MR. Comics site (http://www.mrcomics.ca/) for a special 5 page preview being posted later this week.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> It's on its way to you Helen.
>
> If anyone else would like a copy just let me know.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> It's on its way to you Helen.
>
> If anyone else would like a copy just let me know.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > I love the homepage, James. I'm wondering if you have a large
jpg of
> > the collage that you could send my way...
> >
> > So, did someone here just get married?
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

It's on its way to you. Check your email.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
>
> can I get a copy. it looks good as a wallpaper on my computer screen.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> The free story is now available to view on the Mr Comics website.
>
> Just go to the home page and click on the 'free story' link.
>
> <http://www.mrcomics.ca/>
>
> Dave B
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
>
> It looks like the new comic is getting some great buzz on the web.
Not only are some comics blogs talking about it
(http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/112827989852421.htm &
http://spiltink.dreamhost.com/blogs/2005/09/hey-kids-comics-news-for-
september.html but Diamond Comics made it their staff pick of the
month (http://previews.diamondcomics.com/default.asp?
t=1&m=1&c=6&s=221&ai=22139). Looks like this is finally the comic
that some of us have been waiting for for 30 years.
>
> Also, be sure to check out the MR. Comics site
(http://www.mrcomics.ca/) for a special 5 page preview being posted
later this week.
>

> Great little story with a nice twist to it. I'd like to hear what
> everyone else thinks.