--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:

>
> Glad to hear you're okay, Rory...Also glad your 'Apes" survived...=)
>
> Boy, this is the year of "Nature's Wrath", isn't it?...=)
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> >
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > I am in a remote location in North Carolina having fled the
> Forbidden Zone
> > that is currently South Florida. I left the day after the

storm.

> There was no
> > power or water and the destruction is such that it may be a

couple

> weeks
> > before things are back to normal. It's only been four days. Why
> stay and suffer?
> > My APES collection survived fine and is save. Meanwhile I'll

just

> sit up
> > here in the mountains and wait until the power is back on.
> >
> > See you all later.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>Rory - Sorry I didn't respond Earlier,I Surrvived "Andrew" back a in

92' and ended up with my Beautiful wife. So some good does come from
these disasters I guess! lol Glad all is well. I lived in Miramar
then Hollywood Fla for 11 years LOVED IT but sadly we needed to move
here to CT. to care for my Father In Law (Cancer) He's doing great
now but NOW we have three Kids and our roota are here BUT I miss
Flordia EVERYDAY Hurricanes or not! No place I'd rather Live (unless
I could work something out with the 20th Century Fox Ranch people!
lol
Our Thoughts Our With You
John

Hello Everyone,

I am in a remote location in North Carolina having fled the Forbidden Zone that is currently South Florida.  I left the day after the storm.  There was no power or water and the destruction is such that it may be a couple weeks before things are back to normal.  It's only been four days.  Why stay and suffer?  My APES collection survived fine and is save.  Meanwhile I'll just sit up here in the mountains and wait until the power is back on.

See you all later.

-- Rory

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Hilarious. Your reference pool is top notch. You must partake in my annual Lancelot Link
drunkathon some time.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> That may have been a misquote.
> The alternative lyrics are . . .
>
> "I'm movin' to Florida, where all the sausages
> dance like Ray Bolger on the hood of a car in traffic jam."
>

Good luck to you, Rory. Hope you're able to get back home soon.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am in a remote location in North Carolina having fled the
Forbidden Zone
> that is currently South Florida. I left the day after the storm.
There was no
> power or water and the destruction is such that it may be a couple
weeks
> before things are back to normal. It's only been four days. Why
stay and suffer?
> My APES collection survived fine and is save. Meanwhile I'll just
sit up
> here in the mountains and wait until the power is back on.
>
> See you all later.
>
> -- Rory
>

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In a message dated 10/29/2005 7:47:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:

You must partake in my annual Lancelot Link
drunkathon some time.

 

Now you're partyin' like Charlie Murphy!

 

 

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The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Do you plan to buy the new POTA comic when it comes out in December?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- I can't wait I've already pre-ordered., 5 votes, 55.56%
- Sure when it hits my local comics store., 2 votes, 22.22%
- Maybe if I hear that it is worth the money., 1 votes, 11.11%
- No. No comic can capture the spirit of the original movies., 1 votes, 11.11%



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Hey Rory! Welcome to North Carolina........let me know
if you are going to pass through Charlotte....you
might be gone already....

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am in a remote location in North Carolina having
> fled the Forbidden Zone
> that is currently South Florida. I left the day
> after the storm. There was no
> power or water and the destruction is such that it
> may be a couple weeks
> before things are back to normal. It's only been
> four days. Why stay and suffer?
> My APES collection survived fine and is save.
> Meanwhile I'll just sit up
> here in the mountains and wait until the power is
> back on.
>
> See you all later.
>
> -- Rory
>

__________________________________

OK, I give up. Where's that reference from?

Chris L.



"rkid67" <rkid67@...> wrote:

>>Hilarious. Your reference pool is top notch. You must partake in my

annual Lancelot Link
drunkathon some time. <<


LordTZer0@... wrote:

>> That may have been a misquote.

The alternative lyrics are . . .

"I'm movin' to Florida, where all the sausages
dance like Ray Bolger on the hood of a car in traffic jam." <<

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Hey Rory! Welcome to North Carolina........let me know
if you are  going to pass through Charlotte....you
might be gone already....

Tim

I'm up near Ashville.

Rory

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Hey Rory! Welcome to North Carolina........let me know
if you are  going to pass through Charlotte....you
might be gone already....

Tim

I'm up near Ashville.

Rory

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presume?...

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Hello all.....was so busy for a month I had to catch
up on many emails.....

Is the "Desperate Apewives" pic anywhere.....would
like to see it...

.I want to see how Eva Longoria looks as a
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The words: 'barrel', 'scraping' and 'bottom' come to mind.

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Which one would you pick to be your Mistress.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/1/2005 5:07:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@... writes:

The words: 'barrel', 'scraping' and 'bottom' come to mind.

 

Let's See . . .  Since The Dark Side Of Oz.

We know have . . .Division Of the Apes

I know!  I'll sync Citizen Kane!  Does it

have to be a Floyd tune?  How about

Singin' In The Rain?  Then it can be

Kane In The Rain!  How loaded and or

bored do you have to be to bother about

this kind of thing?   I'll save Kane In The

Rain for a rainy day.  Nescafe' ???

 

 

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Of the five originals, I think Conquest would be the best for a re-
make.Budget and censoring really hurt the original and there's a really
dramatic tale to be re-told.I think Metallic Rose have picked the right
starting spot for their series and a movie could have done something
similar. John, Scrolls.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:

>
> "i,robot" really struck me as an unintentional remake of conquest

es in one click.

Kerr-ching!

I mentioned this months ago and all I got was tumbleweeds blowing
across my screen and the mournful sound of a tolling bell :0)

Yes!very Conquesty in parts and a pretty good movie too - in a B movie
kind of way.

Dave

Was 'I, Robot' anything like 'I, Lobot'?

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> >
> > "i,robot" really struck me as an unintentional remake of conquest

>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
>
> "i,robot" really struck me as an unintentional remake of conquest
es in one click.

Kerr-ching!

I mentioned this months ago and all I got was tumbleweeds blowing
across my screen and the mournful sound of a tolling bell :0)

Yes!very Conquesty in parts and a pretty good movie too - in a B movie
kind of way.

Dave

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> Yes!very Conquesty in parts and a pretty good movie too - in a B movie
> kind of way.

My family enjoyed it a lot---much more than we expected to from the
crappy ad campaign they ran for it.

Hunter

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"i,robot" really struck me as an unintentional remake of conquest

  There are similarities between Conquest and IRobot. Elaine

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In a message dated 11/1/2005 7:21:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

If I was really, really, really desperate my choice would be Zira. 

 

Yeah, she'd keep the work light.

Maybe mucking out the cages,

or some work around the house.

And, if you were lucky, chocolate cake!

 

 

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Hello Everyone,

I am in a remote location in North Carolina having fled the Forbidden Zone that is currently South Florida.  I left the day after the storm.  There was no power or water and the destruction is such that it may be a couple weeks before things are back to normal.  It's only been four days.  Why stay and suffer?  My APES collection survived fine and is save.  Meanwhile I'll just sit up here in the mountains and wait until the power is back on.

See you all later.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 11/1/2005 8:53:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Great!

Yeah, I thought it was pretty good too.

See Mike, I was missing something after all.

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 11:39 AM

Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] You gotta be kidding!

In a message dated 11/1/2005 5:07:19 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@... writes:

The words: 'barrel', 'scraping' and 'bottom' come to mind.

 

Let's See . . .  Since The Dark Side Of Oz.

We know have . . .Division Of the Apes

I know!  I'll sync Citizen Kane!  Does it

have to be a Floyd tune?  How about

Singin' In The Rain?  Then it can be

Kane In The Rain!  How loaded and or

bored do you have to be to bother about

this kind of thing?   I'll save Kane In The

Rain for a rainy day.  Nescafe' ???

 

 

<.html

Of the five originals, I think Conquest would be the best for a re-
make.Budget and censoring really hurt the original and there's a really
dramatic tale to be re-told.I think Metallic Rose have picked the right
starting spot for their series and a movie could have done something
similar. John, Scrolls.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>

wrote:

> >
> > "i,robot" really struck me as an unintentional remake of conquest
> es in one click.
>
> Kerr-ching!
>
> I mentioned this months ago and all I got was tumbleweeds blowing
> across my screen and the mournful sound of a tolling bell :0)
>
> Yes!very Conquesty in parts and a pretty good movie too - in a B

movie

> kind of way.
>
> Dave
>

Even my kids thought I, Robot was like Conquest. [Guess I was
hanging out in the saloon when you mentioned it.]

Annie Oakley

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
> I mentioned this months ago and all I got was tumbleweeds blowing
> across my screen and the mournful sound of a tolling bell :0)
>
> Yes!very Conquesty in parts and a pretty good movie too - in a B movie
> kind of way.

I noticed it too!

Given that I'm prone to spending unhealthy amounts of time in the
cinema, the folks at work often ask me about films that are on at the
moment. When asked about "I, Robot" I told at least three people that
it was just "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" with robots.

I was of course greeted with blank looks all round since nobody knew
anything about "Conquest". Philistines.

Alan

Hope it was Superior!

--H

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Oh goody! I love chocolate cake!  I really, really, really do!

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Recently about twenty or so members who's email addresses were bouncing
(inbox full, email address no longer exists, etc.) for over 2 months
were deleted from the group. In a group as old and as big as this a
certain percentage of older members will abandon their membership and
start bouncing. These "non-members" are culled from the membership list
on a regular basis. Unfortunately, sometimes someone who does not wish
to leave the group gets caught in the net. That happened this time to
at least one member. If anyone else had their membership mistakingly
deleted, we apologize and please feel free to rejoin. If you have any
problems rejoining, email me privately and I'll send you an invite to
rejoin.

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 4:31:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Oh goody! I love chocolate cake!  I really, really, really do!

 

Yeah, me too!

I'd even clean the cages for cake!

Anything else would just be the

icing.

 

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Don't know why but I have a bouncing address every now and again that I have
to re engage it.

Robert Mansell

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Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Bouncing Members


> Recently about twenty or so members who's email addresses were bouncing
> (inbox full, email address no longer exists, etc.) for over 2 months
> were deleted from the group. In a group as old and as big as this a
> certain percentage of older members will abandon their membership and
> start bouncing. These "non-members" are culled from the membership list
> on a regular basis. Unfortunately, sometimes someone who does not wish
> to leave the group gets caught in the net. That happened this time to
> at least one member. If anyone else had their membership mistakingly
> deleted, we apologize and please feel free to rejoin. If you have any
> problems rejoining, email me privately and I'll send you an invite to
> rejoin.

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 4:31:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Oh goody! I love chocolate cake!  I really, really, really do!

 

Yeah, me too!

I'd even clean the cages for cake!

Anything else would just be the

icing.

  On pota you may have to eat banana cake. Elaine

 

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I was sitting in the therapist's waiting room today, listening to the
ocean waves on her audio tape, and got to thinking about Taylor and
Nova riding peacefully up the shoreline. No airplanes, motorboats.
No sailboats. No people. No birds. Nothing. And then, out of the
blue, all of a sudden they spy the Statue O' L. Well, seems a little
odd that: 1) Taylor draws the conclusion that it was nuclear war that
destroyed the planet and 2) that there wasn't ANYTHING else around as
evidence of a city and/or any other type of human civilization. (They
kind of sped things up a bit there with that final bit of monologue.)

Helen

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 1:18:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  On pota you may have to eat banana cake. Elaine

 

Not if Zira is baking.

She likes chocolate,

but she loathes bananas.

 

 

 

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James can correct me if I am wrong, but there wouldn't be any rubble or
ruin that close around the Statue...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> I was sitting in the therapist's waiting room today, listening to the
> ocean waves on her audio tape, and got to thinking about Taylor and
> Nova riding peacefully up the shoreline. No airplanes, motorboats.
> No sailboats. No people. No birds. Nothing. And then, out of the
> blue, all of a sudden they spy the Statue O' L. Well, seems a little
> odd that: 1) Taylor draws the conclusion that it was nuclear war that
> destroyed the planet and 2) that there wasn't ANYTHING else around as
> evidence of a city and/or any other type of human civilization.
(They
> kind of sped things up a bit there with that final bit of monologue.)
>
> Helen
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 11/3/2005 1:18:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> On pota you may have to eat banana cake. Elaine
>
>
>
> Not if Zira is baking.
> She likes chocolate,
> but she loathes bananas.
>

I'm with Zira on that one.

You might be right, but then again (James?)... isn't the statue on
an island?

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
> James can correct me if I am wrong, but there wouldn't be any
rubble or
> ruin that close around the Statue...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > I was sitting in the therapist's waiting room today, listening
to the
> > ocean waves on her audio tape, and got to thinking about Taylor
and
> > Nova riding peacefully up the shoreline. No airplanes,
motorboats.
> > No sailboats. No people. No birds. Nothing. And then, out of
the
> > blue, all of a sudden they spy the Statue O' L. Well, seems a
little
> > odd that: 1) Taylor draws the conclusion that it was nuclear war
that
> > destroyed the planet and 2) that there wasn't ANYTHING else
around as
> > evidence of a city and/or any other type of human civilization.
> (They
> > kind of sped things up a bit there with that final bit of
monologue.)
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 6:55:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I'm with Zira on that one.

I wonder how she'd feel about chocolate dipped bananas?

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 11/3/2005 1:18:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, 
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> On pota you may have to eat banana cake. Elaine
>
>
> 
> Not if Zira is baking.
> She likes chocolate,
> but she loathes bananas.
>

I'm with Zira on that one.

  If you ever visit me Helen, I won't serve you my homemade banana bread. I hope you like cranberry bread. Elaine

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:

> Well, seems a little odd that: 1) Taylor draws the conclusion that it was nuclear war
> that destroyed the planet

Earlier in the movie, when he's arguing with Zaius on the beach, he says ( working from
memory here) "Man may have been wiped out by a plague or a natural catastrophe. Like a
storm of meteors. From the looks of some parts of this planet, I'd say that was a fair bet."

My take is that Taylor was a man influenced by the events of the '60's, and for him nuclear
war was the 'in' way of being obliterated. The Cuban Missile crisis wasn't that long ago and
still in the public mind so I guess Taylor's conclusion was just a combination of
assumption, (because of the times he had been living in - and was hoping to escape from)
and being more than a little upset.

At a time of great stress he reverted to type.

In Beneath, Brent makes the same assumption based upon a subway sign, so I guess if you
can accept the above, the same applies to him.

Ooh, I sound like Eric Greene!

Dave

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 11:05:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  If you ever visit me Helen, I won't serve you my homemade banana bread. I hope you like cranberry bread. Elaine

 

Mmmmm Craaaaabeeeeerrrrryyy Saaauuuce . . .aaaaaahhhh

 

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I love cranberries, Elaine. Let me know when you want me to
visit. :)

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
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> In a message dated 11/3/2005 4:55:04 PM Pacific Standard Time,
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 11/3/2005 1:18:01 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
> > taebokitti@a... writes:
> >
> > On pota you may have to eat banana cake. Elaine
> >
> >
> >
> > Not if Zira is baking.
> > She likes chocolate,
> > but she loathes bananas.
> >
>
> I'm with Zira on that one.
>
>
> If you ever visit me Helen, I won't serve you my homemade banana
bread. I
> hope you like cranberry bread. Elaine
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>
>
>
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I have to agree with Dave here. Taylor (and Brent) came from the culture of the cold war when is seemed nuclear annihilation could happen at any day. So it is natural that is their first assumption.

What's interesting is that before Taylor knows he is back on Earth, he gives the humans of that world the benefit of the doubt and doesn't consider that they wiped each other out. As he noted to Dr. Zaius "There were no weapons found in that cave".

I've often felt that below his misanthrope exterior, Taylor is a closet optimist. Consider this:

• He makes the radio transmission to Earth in the beginning of the film assuming mankind has survived past the 20th century.
• He tells Landon that if he got back to Earth he would look like something that fell out of a tree, again assuming that mankind had evolved to a higher form.

It is only when he sees the statue that he realizes what had happened to his culture. If he had been a true misanthrope, he would have expected as much and shrugged it off. But instead he is almost crushed by the realization.

This also leads to another question about Taylor, did he go on the mission with hopes of returning to earth when man had evolved into a culture he would be more comfortable with? And did seeing the Statue finally crush that dream?

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" sand_hill_school@y... wrote:
>
> > Well, seems a little odd that: 1) Taylor draws the conclusion that it was nuclear war
> > that destroyed the planet
>
> Earlier in the movie, when he's arguing with Zaius on the beach, he says ( working from
> memory here) "Man may have been wiped out by a plague or a natural catastrophe. Like a
> storm of meteors. From the looks of some parts of this planet, I'd say that was a fair bet."
>
> My take is that Taylor was a man influenced by the events of the '60's, and for him nuclear
> war was the 'in' way of being obliterated. The Cuban Missile crisis wasn't that long ago and
> still in the public mind so I guess Taylor's conclusion was just a combination of
> assumption, (because of the times he had been living in - and was hoping to escape from)
> and being more than a little upset.
>
> At a time of great stress he reverted to type.
>
> In Beneath, Brent makes the same assumption based upon a subway sign, so I guess if you
> can accept the above, the same applies to him.
>
> Ooh, I sound like Eric Greene!
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:

> Well, seems a little odd that: 1) Taylor draws the conclusion that it was nuclear war
> that destroyed the planet

Earlier in the movie, when he's arguing with Zaius on the beach, he says ( working from
memory here) "Man may have been wiped out by a plague or a natural catastrophe. Like a
storm of meteors. From the looks of some parts of this planet, I'd say that was a fair bet."

My take is that Taylor was a man influenced by the events of the '60's, and for him nuclear
war was the 'in' way of being obliterated. The Cuban Missile crisis wasn't that long ago and
still in the public mind so I guess Taylor's conclusion was just a combination of
assumption, (because of the times he had been living in - and was hoping to escape from)
and being more than a little upset.

At a time of great stress he reverted to type.

In Beneath, Brent makes the same assumption based upon a subway sign, so I guess if you
can accept the above, the same applies to him.

Ooh, I sound like Eric Greene!

Dave

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
> Since POTA I've always been fascinated by images of Lady Liberty in

ruins. I've just

> uploaded an excellent example I found on the web into the files. >

Dave

>

Okie dokie..... I can't find the picture. Would someone please post
a link? Thanks.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:

>
> Since POTA I've always been fascinated by images of Lady Liberty in

ruins. I've just

> uploaded an excellent example I found on the web into the files.>

Dave

>

Ah... never mind. I found it...

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/Maxim_SecondWave1.j
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  If you ever visit me Helen, I won't serve you my homemade banana bread. I hope you like cranberry bread. Elaine

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

>
> This also leads to another question about Taylor, did he go on the

mission

> with hopes of returning to earth when man had evolved into a culture

he would be

> more comfortable with? And did seeing the Statue finally crush that

dream?
Elaine

>

That is the most heartwrenching thought ever, Elaine. I think you are
on to something very heavy, even though I'm not sure it was a thought
that was written into the movie.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> This also leads to another question about Taylor, did he go on the

mission

> with hopes of returning to earth when man had evolved into a culture

he would be

> more comfortable with? And did seeing the Statue finally crush that

dream?

Taylor's mission is only ever hinted at - when he says that Stewart
was to have been 'the new Eve' but three boys and one girlie does not
a viable gene-pool make. More likely an advance scouting mission that
may, or may not have ever meant to return?

Whatever the mission may have been I think Taylor's personal motives
are made quite clear in his opening monologue and his exchanges with
Landon - he's on a personal quest to find something 'better than man'.

When he doesn't - when he's forced into the role of mankinds defender
and spokesperson he comes to realize that maybe those he left behind
weren't quite so bad after all. "they were better than you' he tells
Zaius. I don't think he ever believes he will find a way home but I
think that he comes to believe that what he left behind was actually
something quite special. When he sees the Statue he realizes that
Zaius - and his own original perception of mankind - were right all
along. For a short while he changed his mind and believed in his own
species - The sight of the statue shattered those new-found beliefs.

Dave

Ah, don't be so cynical!!...=)

G

(Ps...How've you been, K?...)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I think that cynics are often cynics because they are trying to
protect a certain sensitivity, don't you think?
>

Can't remember if this has been mentioned, but John Jakes' novel of
Conquest refers to air cleaning plants built in mountains a hundred
miles 'east' of the action, which would rule out New York and most of
the eastern seaboard. John, Scrolls.

Except that novelizations are really not canon. And even more so in Jakes case since he wrote the noveliztion two years after the movie was made. It was just Jakes interpetation of Dehn's script, the way the Marvel comics were their interpetation of Dehn's scripts.

It's funny that no one ever cites Gerrod's novelization of Battle which pretty much confirms that it's a circular timeline, that the Ape and Mutant communities seen in Battle are the same ones in Beneath. Thus, on the East Coast. And Gerrold was on the set of Battle and had the opportunity to consult with Dehn.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> Can't remember if this has been mentioned, but John Jakes' novel of
> Conquest refers to air cleaning plants built in mountains a hundred
> miles 'east' of the action, which would rule out New York and most of
> the eastern seaboard. John, Scrolls.
>

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Can't remember if this has been mentioned, but John Jakes' novel of
Conquest refers to air cleaning plants built in mountains a hundred
miles 'east' of the action, which would rule out New York and most of
the eastern seaboard.

In the novel CONQUEST is set on the west coast of the US... It also follows that since CONQUEST is part of the second that while some of the things may have remained the same, other things, such as locations could have changed, being its an all new set of circumstances...

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I believe it gets destroyed in the upcoming CBS TV
flick "Category 7"

Tim

--- PofTAfan@... wrote:

> What about Independence Day. The statue got blown
> up
>

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 11:35:25 A.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I think that cynics are often cynics because they are trying to
protect a certain sensitivity, don't you think?

 

I think they're cynics because many things aren't what they're

supposed to be, or more often, not what they pretend to be.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:54:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

In the novel CONQUEST is set on the west coast of the US...

 

Is Caesar related to himself ala Fry in Futurama.

You gotta wonder . . .

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/6/05 2:40:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

It's funny that no one ever cites Gerrod's novelization of Battle which pretty much confirms that it's a circular timeline, that the Ape and Mutant communities seen in Battle are the same ones in Beneath.

What's so funny about that?  I believe the two communities are the same, but that doesn't mean the timeline is circular.  Similar, but not circular.  In the BATTLE timeline the earth won't be destroyed in 3950 "something" because Caesar has changed the future.

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Conquest is set in New York and the timeline is
circular. Anything else is just CRAZY TALK.

Alan

.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/7/05 6:52:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, alan@... writes:

Conquest is set in New York and the timeline is
circular. Anything else is just CRAZY TALK.

Alan

CONQUEST set in New York?!!!!  That's crazy talk.  Where was the Empire State Building in CONQUEST?  Where were all the other skyscrapers, the Statue of Liberty, or the stink from New Jersey?

NO!  CONQUEST is set in a fictional "city state," part of a future megalopolis that, I think, is on the East Coast, since the ape and mutant societies seen in BATTLE are clearly supposed to be ancestors of those seen in PLANET and BENEATH, and it can be seen clearly in BATTLE that the ape city of that time is in the woods just next to the meadow that 2000 years later would be the cornfield seen in PLANET.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/7/2005 5:52:18 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

Conquest is set in New York

Prove it

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I'm doing well, thanks for asking...Good to hear you're okay, too...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:
>
> Glen
> I'm good. I'm around. How 'bout you?
>
> K
>

From: Haristas@...

> Subject: Re: Where is Conquest?
>
> CONQUEST set in New York?!!!!
> That's crazy talk. Where was the
> Empire State Building in CONQUEST?
> Where were all the other skyscrapers,
> the Statue of Liberty,

They were all just round the next corner.

> From: mlccougar@...
> Subject: Re: Re: Where is Conquest?
>
> > Conquest is set in New York
>
> Prove it

No

.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/8/2005 5:27:08 PM Central Standard Time, alan@... writes:

>  From: mlccougar@...
>Subject: Re: Re: Where is Conquest?
>
>>Conquest is set in New York
>
>Prove it

No

Because you have no evidence to support the claim?

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Well, just because we don't see Liberty etc, doesn't mean it can't be
New York.The movie is set in a new, futuristic area which may be masked
from the older, landmark areas.Apart from the novel, I'm not aware of
any clues in Conquest, but I could be wrong on that.You could argue
that the biggest clues are in Battle and Beneath--Beneath definitely is
New York and Battle seems to be the origin of that civilisation of
Mutants.Purely on the films alone, the evidence supports Alan. John,
Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:

>
>
> Well, just because we don't see Liberty etc, doesn't mean it can't

be

> New York.The movie is set in a new, futuristic area which may be

masked

> from the older, landmark areas. John,
> Scrolls.
>

I don't agree or disagree, but I'm wondering why we couldn't assume
that the Apes "cleaned house" and (assuming there were more Apes
than those shown in the movies) took down the remnants of human
civilization early on. Someone must have, or it would be pretty
difficult to pull off an "Apes were always superior to humans" type
of propaganda such as Zaius and his predecessors did. I figure it
wasn't the bomb that took everything out.

Considering the condition of the statue (and the fact that it is not
on an island but on the shore) it is possible that a resulting
tsunami or like event could have reshaped the landscape -- making
identification of landmarks somewhat sketchy.

It seems that there may have been fewer Apes out west where Virdon
and Burke showed up. Maybe they hadn't been able to tear down the
buildings and remove all the human "stuff", which may be why the
humans were never completely dull-ified.

Or not.

Helen

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Anyone know what a No Prize is?

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> Anyone know what a No Prize is?
>

I found this:

Back in the sixties in the pages of Marvel Comics, Stan Lee would occasionally award some
lucky (?) reader what he called a "no prize." It might be in a letter column or it might be in
the house ad section called the Bullpen Bulletins. The reader might have made some
extraordinary contribution to the cause of Marvel, or he might just have found some dumb
error in an issue and called it to Stan's attention. Whatever the location, whatever the
meritorious conduct, it warranted the same reward: A "no prize," as in, "You get no prize."
I gather this was kind of a running joke on the old Jean Shepherd radio programs and Stan
kept it going, but I never heard enough of Mr. Shepherd to know the derivation for certain.

Anyway, some readers were gleeful that Stan had awarded them a "no prize," and some
didn't understand and they'd write in and say, "I haven't received it." Around 1967, I'm
guessing, Stan took the joke to the next level and began actually sending out...well, I'm
not sure if you could say he sent out "no prizes" because there was no such thing. But he
sent out empty envelopes that said they contained your no prizes. Above is a pic of one of
these envelopes -- a later version, judging from the return address -- which sported
lettering by Marvel's ace letterer at the time, Sam Rosen. Someone wrote and asked me
about them so I thought I'd post this for all the world to see. There was something very
charming and clever about the whole concept, and it was part of what made Marvel Comics
feel like a company run by your buddies.

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In a message dated 11/9/2005 5:42:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Anyone know what a No Prize is?

Marvel Comics used to offer these as a cheap way to acknowledge contributions by the fans.

Bruce 

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In a message dated 11/9/2005 9:31:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

Marvel Comics used to offer these as a cheap way to acknowledge contributions by the fans.

 

But what was it?

A piece of paper?

Or an announcement?

 

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I think the No Prize evolved into a notional award for spotting a
mistake in a comic---'Spider-man has two arms this issue whereas, in
issue #23, Doctor Octopus clearly rips them both off'-- sort of thing.I
think, originally, empty envelopes were posted to the lucky winners
(collectors hunt these on ebay!) but after a while it really became a
letters page thing, with the award being bestowed in the answer to a
letter.Happier, more innocent,days.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

>
> It was an empty envelope.

I hereby announce the inauguration of the Official Simian Scrolls No
Prize--anyone who can find a mistake in Scrolls is entitled to No
Prize.Please form an orderly queue! John, Scrolls.PS, sad but true, I'm
actually jealous of Greg's empty envelope.

>

You crazy kids, didn't anyone read my 'Re: No Prize' post?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
>
> It was an empty envelope. A friend who worked at Marvel some years ago gave me one.
The outside of the envelope had a message printed on it announcing that contained inside
was your fabulous no-prize, and of course when you opened it there was nothing inside. The
real prize was the envelope itself, with your name written on it by a real Marvel intern (or
armadillo).
>
> Greg
>
> LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> But what was it?
> A piece of paper?
> Or an announcement?
>

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In a message dated 11/10/2005 3:18:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

 

But what was it?

A piece of paper?

Or an announcement?

 

I believe you actually got a letter from Marvel saying "Your No-Prize has arrived!" but it was just a letter that's all.

Bruce

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Official Marvel No-Prize Book Issue #1:

http://www.samruby.com/OtherTitles/WhatThe/noprizebook.htm

--- stenosaurus@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/10/2005 3:18:41 A.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@... writes:
>
>
> But what was it?
> A piece of paper?
> Or an announcement?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I believe you actually got a letter from Marvel
> saying "Your No-Prize has
> arrived!" but it was just a letter that's all.
> Bruce
>

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This Saturday night from 8PM to 9PM (Eastern Time) Joe O'Brien will
be here in our chat room to answer your questions about the new
comic "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes". Joe, with Ty
Templeton, is writing the new comic and is coming here to talk with
serious POTA fans.

All are invited to attend and participate. Our chat room is located
here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/chat . If you wish
to attend, I'd suggest you check out if the chat function works on
your computer. If is doesn't or you just can't make it on Saturday,
feel free to email me privately with your questions and I'll do my
best to ask them during the chat.

If you do plan to attend and ask a question also email me privately.
You don't need to clear your question, I just want to make sure I
call on you.

I'll be moderating the chat and I ask everyone to follow a few
simple rules:
Wait for me to call on you to ask your question.
Please be polite and respectful to our guest.
And keep your questions as brief as possible.

Everyone will also get a chance to ask a follow-up question.

Thanks. Looking forward to seeing everyone on Saturday.

Hi, all,

Just announcing my presence. :)

Rich