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Group: pota Message: 34239 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read below)
Group: pota Message: 34240 From: James Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407
Group: pota Message: 34241 From: James Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read below)
Group: pota Message: 34242 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The TV series... I've thought to my THEORY even better NOW (rea
Group: pota Message: 34243 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A question... ehm that will blow out your
Group: pota Message: 34244 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Ape Mom... visit my group please!
Group: pota Message: 34245 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: OT: The winter of our ape content
Group: pota Message: 34246 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] OT: The winter of our ape content
Group: pota Message: 34247 From: ape_mom Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407
Group: pota Message: 34248 From: ron kenner Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407*
Group: pota Message: 34249 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
Group: pota Message: 34250 From: ape_mom Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: Ape Mom... visit my group please!
Group: pota Message: 34251 From: James Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
Group: pota Message: 34252 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The winter of our ape content
Group: pota Message: 34253 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong DVD (OT)
Group: pota Message: 34254 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
Group: pota Message: 34255 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong DVD (OT)
Group: pota Message: 34256 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
Group: pota Message: 34257 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
Group: pota Message: 34258 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
Group: pota Message: 34259 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong DVD (OT)
Group: pota Message: 34260 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Tv series 'movies' - titles and episodes
Group: pota Message: 34261 From: ron kenner Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
Group: pota Message: 34262 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Tv series 'movies' - titles and episodes
Group: pota Message: 34263 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
Group: pota Message: 34264 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407
Group: pota Message: 34265 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Banner
Group: pota Message: 34266 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: home page
Group: pota Message: 34267 From: ape_mom Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: home page
Group: pota Message: 34268 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Marvel UK issue 58
Group: pota Message: 34269 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
Group: pota Message: 34270 From: Dave B Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 58
Group: pota Message: 34271 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
Group: pota Message: 34272 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Marvel UK issue 58
Group: pota Message: 34273 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
Group: pota Message: 34274 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34275 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: The TV series... some questions for you all (okay I'm boring)
Group: pota Message: 34276 From: ANTHONY LOWDER Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34277 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The TV series... some questions for you al
Group: pota Message: 34278 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34279 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The TV series... some questions for you al
Group: pota Message: 34280 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34281 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34282 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34283 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34284 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34285 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34286 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34287 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34288 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34289 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34290 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34291 From: ape_mom Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34292 From: ape_mom Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34293 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: The Plague --------- BUT!
Group: pota Message: 34294 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34295 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague --------- BUT!
Group: pota Message: 34296 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34297 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34298 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34299 From: simianhistorian Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34300 From: ape_mom Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34301 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague --------- BUT!
Group: pota Message: 34302 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO DAVIDSON is the
Group: pota Message: 34303 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague --------- BUT!
Group: pota Message: 34304 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34305 From: James Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Lesson from the Lawgiver
Group: pota Message: 34306 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: I, Robot
Group: pota Message: 34307 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34308 From: ape_mom Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: I, Robot
Group: pota Message: 34309 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague --------- BUT!
Group: pota Message: 34310 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: I, Robot
Group: pota Message: 34311 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34312 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34313 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO ...
Group: pota Message: 34314 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
Group: pota Message: 34315 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34316 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34317 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO ...
Group: pota Message: 34318 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34319 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: I, Robot
Group: pota Message: 34320 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
Group: pota Message: 34321 From: James Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO ...
Group: pota Message: 34322 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
Group: pota Message: 34323 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
Group: pota Message: 34324 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34325 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34326 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34327 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34328 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34329 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- ...
Group: pota Message: 34330 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO ...
Group: pota Message: 34331 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34332 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
Group: pota Message: 34333 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
Group: pota Message: 34334 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO ...
Group: pota Message: 34335 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34336 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
Group: pota Message: 34337 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
Group: pota Message: 34338 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA



Group: pota Message: 34239 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read below)
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The Scientist in 'The Legacy' is wearing a Mutant costume
from 'Beneath'.Does this maybe suggest that Mutant civilisation
originated on the West Coast, alongside Caesar's community, and that,
being aware of an imminent catastrophe, the Scientists then removed the
Alpha Omega East, to New York, out of harm's way? John, Scrolls.
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Group: pota Message: 34240 From: James Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407
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You're right Dave. If you're going to buy into time travel, Apes
that can talk and Mutants worshipping a doomsday bomb; you have to
have a very high suspension of disbelief.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> > And that is impossible to happen... The great apes species cannot
> interbreed, so this can't even work...
>
> Statements like this always feel awkward. Don't get me wrong,
Cougar, I know where you're coming from but it does kind of suggest
that all the other fantastical elements of APES (and by extension
any form of fiction) CAN happen.
>
> The skill behind a good story is in making the impossible
acceptable -
> at least for the amount of time that you are immersed in it.
>
> Remember the tag-line "You'll beieve a man can fly". Impossible,
so it can't work - but we cut the idea some slack because it was so
damn good.
>
> I see APES as no different. it's a bloody good story but the
bottom line is that it's still fantasy - and, as Pat M Tilton has
repeatedly shown, a fantasy that on closer examination has few ties
with reality.
>
> Dave
>
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Group: pota Message: 34241 From: James Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read below)
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Interesting thought John.

BTW Love your comments on the MR home page.
http://www.mrcomics.ca/mrcomicsnews.html"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> The Scientist in 'The Legacy' is wearing a Mutant costume
> from 'Beneath'.Does this maybe suggest that Mutant civilisation
> originated on the West Coast, alongside Caesar's community, and that,
> being aware of an imminent catastrophe, the Scientists then removed
the
> Alpha Omega East, to New York, out of harm's way? John, Scrolls.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34242 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The TV series... I've thought to my THEORY even better NOW (rea
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The Scientist in 'The Legacy' is wearing a Mutant costume
from 'Beneath'.

Mmmmmm very good.

John, I was thinking this... what if Virdon and Burke actually
landed on APELINE TWO's 3988 A.C equivalent Earth? Caesar wasn't so
efficient to spread up the word 'tolerance' among the two races -
back in his days - and the TV Series POTA was the disastrous final
result.
Now, even if APELINE ONE (Planet/Beneath) turned into APELINE TWO
(Caesar) nothing stopped Taylor and his crew to keep up the job...
since their mission was dated back to 1971, 2 years before Cornelius
and Zira's arrival on Earth. WHATEVER HAPPENED to POTA's history
with Caesar's birth, Taylor STILL emerged in 3978 A.C and maybe went
killed together with his companion! (Zaius in the TV series revealed
that Astronauts from Earth landed on POTA 10 years before Virdon and
Burke's coming - 3978 + 10= 3988 A.C.).

I was thinking... the prologue to BATTLE is set in APELINE TWO's
2760 A.C. (or 2670? I'm getting old now...) and surely as hell
humans look far more advanced in that situation. 3988-2760 = 1228
YEARS! That's a good deal of time in Humans's pockets to build a
RURAL civilization, the one you see in the TV SERIES.

So forget what I have previously stated. If the TV Series belongs to
BATTLE's line, then Humans NEVER came to be the primitives you can
see in PLANET/BENEATH. Otherwise, the TV SERIES portrays APELINE
ONE's 3085 A.C. and fits with Taylor/Brent's continuity.
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Group: pota Message: 34243 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] A question... ehm that will blow out your
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First of all we fans are *ACTUALLY* the 'MONKEY-MINDS', not them.
They are our idols, far superior to us miserable worshippers. So I
find reasonable the fact we POTA fans are just insipid monkeys... :)
LOL!

Second, NEW HOPE is a second Planet Of The Apes stranded into space,
behind the Husslein Curve III but LEO DAVIDSON comes from EARTH, and
EARTH is a territory we all know... dear Apes. Now maybe I'm
mistaking things, but did Leo say something about the monkeys and
the animals dying on his planet? (the plague?).

Maybe he belongs to APELINE ONE.





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2005 9:04:24 AM Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> > The vast majority of the 'MONKEY-MINDS'(As I like to define us
POTA
> > fans) is disappointing by Burton's remake.
> > Well, according to your insight, it could be possible to 'link'
the
> > movie events to APELINE ONE or APELINE TWO?
>
> You CANNOT link the real Planet of the Apes to pota2001...
>
> They are not even the same thing, PLANET is the planet Earth in
the future,
> where in that pota2001 thing, it is a totally foreign planet...
>
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Group: pota Message: 34244 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Ape Mom... visit my group please!
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There's a timeline you will surely love.

movies.group.yahoo.com/group/apecalypse_now



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Monkey-Minds,
> >
> > Another idea popped up in my twisted, space-time continuums
filled
> > mind. What if Caesar's efforts were so effective to drastically
> > change Taylor's future? Oh ------> yes, we' ve talked about this
> at
> > least 4.500 times, but I was thinking... to another perspective
> now.
> >
> > It has been estabilished that the time chronometers on ANSA
ships
> > suck very bad and don't properly work if are given the overdue
> > stress. What if Virdon and Burke (and Jones's corpse for
instance)
> > emerged in 4500 A.C, or even further, along the APELINE TWO
where
> > Caesar somehow prevented the Alpha-Omega bomb by killing Kolp
> > (forget the BFTPOTA deleted scenes, they are *NOT* canon) but
> wasn't
> > able to disrupt the blood heritage of the 'Apes Vs. Humans'
issue
> at
> > all? (the crying statue was an omen, thus)- So, the continuum
RET-
> > CONNED itself to the point the bomb never blew up the POTA in
> 3978/9
> > A.C., and Humans had the chance to evolve themselves to the
rural
> > state we can see and enjoy in the series. The chronometer was
just
> > wrong, it wasn't 3085 A.C. (even Virdon stated it didn't work
> > properly). Maybe the NEW YORK pic which spawned so much
> controversy
> > among us was... FAKE or illusory (a design).
> >
> > Is there some evidence in the series to support such theories?
For
> a
> > moment forget the 'Circular Theory' issue, please. For a moment
> > forget you don't retain that the series fits well with the 5
> movies,
> > please. For a moment, let's pretend everuthing I was saying
is 'in
> > tune' with your believings, and let me know if there's EVIDENCE
in
> > the series to back up my line of thought.
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> >
>
>
> Very interesting. I like your thoughts. I'll be watching the
board
> for legal insight.
>
> Helen
>
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Group: pota Message: 34245 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: OT: The winter of our ape content
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 Today sees the release of the DVD for the original "King Kong", complete with 2 -hour Peter Jackson documentary. This is the film that inspired Arthur Jacobs to make POTA. Also released today is "Mighty Joe Young" (the original) and "Son of Kong".
  In a couple weeks the new POTA comic book will arrive. About a week after that is the debut of Jackson's "King Kong". I saw the trailer on TV last night, it's awesome. Will the top movie of the year star an ape? If it does it'll be enough to make Fox go "Doh!", since right now they're ahead (by default) with "Star Wars". "Star Wars" has never been beaten before, not even by Jackson's "Two Towers". It'll be an interesting winter. Dress warm. - - - Jeff
 
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Group: pota Message: 34246 From: Hunter Goatley Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] OT: The winter of our ape content
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> Today sees the release of the DVD for the original "King Kong",
> complete with 2 -hour Peter Jackson documentary. This is the film that
> inspired Arthur Jacobs to make POTA. Also released today is "Mighty
> Joe Young" (the original) and "Son of Kong".

I've ordered the 4-disc collection containing all of these from
Amazon.

> In a couple weeks the new POTA comic book will arrive. About a
> week after that is the debut of Jackson's "King Kong". I saw the
> trailer on TV last night, it's awesome.

Yep! I can't wait.

Hunter
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Group: pota Message: 34247 From: ape_mom Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <dave@4...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> > And that is impossible to happen... The great apes species cannot
> interbreed, so this can't even work...
>
> Statements like this always feel awkward. Don't get me wrong,
Cougar, I know where you're coming from but it does kind of suggest
that all the other fantastical elements of APES (and by extension
any form of fiction) CAN happen.
>
> The skill behind a good story is in making the impossible
acceptable -
> at least for the amount of time that you are immersed in it.
>
> Remember the tag-line "You'll beieve a man can fly". Impossible,
so it can't work - but we cut the idea some slack because it was so
damn good.
>
> I see APES as no different. it's a bloody good story but the
bottom line is that it's still fantasy - and, as Pat M Tilton has
repeatedly shown, a fantasy that on closer examination has few ties
with reality.
>
> Dave
>

HERESY!
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Group: pota Message: 34248 From: ron kenner Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407*
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could it be acheived in a laboratory?
and then maybe with a little bit of nuclear radiation thrown in?
and then maybe a random mutation?
or a divinely directed evolutionary change?

mlccougar@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/21/2005 11:36:33 AM Central Standard Time, mail@... writes:

There's on Gorilla in the animated series novels who has a chimp
grandparent and Marvel's Evolution's Nightmare has a guy who is a bit
of everything, so maybe there is a bit of cross group rumpy pumpy going
on.


And that is impossible to happen... The great apes species cannot interbreed, so this can't even work...



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Group: pota Message: 34249 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
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The Scientist in 'The Legacy' is wearing a Mutant costume
from 'Beneath'.Does this maybe suggest that Mutant civilisation
originated on the West Coast, alongside Caesar's community, and that,
being aware of an imminent catastrophe, the Scientists then removed the
Alpha Omega East, to New York, out of harm's way?


It suggests that the wardrobe people wanted to give the Scientist a "futuristic look", so they went with that outfit...

BUT, if you're wanting an explantion other than that, then no. The show, by some opinions (mine included) would be that it takes place before the time Taylor arrives. They'd have no idea of what was to come down the line, so no they wouldn't move a bomb. It's impractical to believe they would anyway: Who in their right mind is going to move an atomic bomb across a country? How would they do it? Carry it on their shoulders? Tow it on a sled pulled by them? The logistics just would work.

Besides, everyone knows that the time of Caesar is a second timeline...
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Group: pota Message: 34250 From: ape_mom Date: 11/22/2005
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:
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> There's a timeline you will surely love.
>
> movies.group.yahoo.com/group/apecalypse_now
>

Apecalypsenow:

Thanks for the invite. Interesting. I'll have to spend a little time
figuring out what you're up to there.

Don't forget to check out the timeline on the internal site.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm
Spend some time poking around there. It's pretty interesting.

Helen
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Group: pota Message: 34251 From: James Date: 11/22/2005
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I couldn't agree with you more Cougar. A nuclear missle weighs sevaral
tons. There would have been no way for the mutants to carry it across
the country.
Even now they are not transported as a whole. Usually the stages and
warhead are all transported seperately and it is assembled and fueled
at its final location.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> BUT, if you're wanting an explantion other than that, then no. The
show, by
> some opinions (mine included) would be that it takes place before the
time
> Taylor arrives. They'd have no idea of what was to come down the
line, so no they
> wouldn't move a bomb. It's impractical to believe they would anyway:
Who in
> their right mind is going to move an atomic bomb across a country?
How would
> they do it? Carry it on their shoulders? Tow it on a sled pulled by
them? The
> logistics just would work.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34252 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/22/2005
Subject: Re: The winter of our ape content
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I've ordered the 4-disc collection containing all of these from
Amazon.


I went and bought it at Circuit City today.  So far I've only looked at a few things, but it's very, very nice.  KING KONG still doesn't look as if it were shot yesterday, but it looks better than it ever has on video before.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34253 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong DVD (OT)
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/22/2005 9:06:03 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I went and bought it at Circuit City today.  So far I've only looked at a few things, but it's very, very nice.  KING KONG still doesn't look as if it were shot yesterday, but it looks better than it ever has on video before.

What's the standard retail price on this anyway?
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Group: pota Message: 34254 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
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Cougar, if the Alpha Omega started out West, and if a group on
enlightened scientists realised that some sort of catastrophe(an Ape
rebellion?) was looming, with the chance that a Doomsday device could
be set off, re-locating it would be an option.A group with the capacity
to store a holographic message on a computer may well have still had
access to air travel.Also, the Panama canal would have made sea travel
a ready option .Maybe they just transported the warhead and rebuilt the
missile/casing when they got to New York? John, Scrolls.
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Group: pota Message: 34255 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong DVD (OT)
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/23/05 1:53:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:


What's the standard retail price on this anyway?


$30, but I expect you can find it a little cheaper at Wal-Mart or Target.  You can also just buy them separately -- if you only want KONG -- at $15 each or cheaper.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34256 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
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Wait a moment, Apes... is the Doomsday bomb mentioned and/or showed
in some form in the TV SERIES?

And from your statements, I'm realizing that those phantomatic
scientists were much more advanced than ours.

After all, mine was just a 'fun' theory, it's obvious the TV SERIES
belongs to APELINE ONE, wehere the apocalypse happened in 2505 or so,
and science had the time to advance itself.

3085 A.C. confirmed!

God I love this saga so much... I cannot stop myself to dedicate my
thought to it!


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> Cougar, if the Alpha Omega started out West, and if a group on
> enlightened scientists realised that some sort of catastrophe(an Ape
> rebellion?) was looming, with the chance that a Doomsday device
could
> be set off, re-locating it would be an option.A group with the
capacity
> to store a holographic message on a computer may well have still had
> access to air travel.Also, the Panama canal would have made sea
travel
> a ready option .Maybe they just transported the warhead and rebuilt
the
> missile/casing when they got to New York? John, Scrolls.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34257 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
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Maybe they just transported the warhead and rebuilt the
missile/casing when they got to New York? John, Scrolls.


Nope... Even including James' part of bomb manufacture still doesn't make it any more logical...
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Group: pota Message: 34258 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
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Wait a moment, Apes...  is the Doomsday bomb mentioned and/or showed
in some form in the TV SERIES?


There is no Alpha-Omega bomb mentioned anywhere in the TV series... Who knows, had the series been allowed to continue, it may have been worked in at some point, but of the 14 episodes we got, it's not in there...
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Group: pota Message: 34259 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong DVD (OT)
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If they can do Kong three times, why can't we have one straight re-make
of Apes? That's what I'd hoped for last time.A modern re-doing of the
original movie could be excellent and we could forget about all
this 're-imagining' crap and do Apes right.I'll bet Jackson is sticking
pretty close to the original Kong, and quite rightly too.Three and a
half decades later, just imagine what could be done with the original
Apes.Hope Kong does big business and gets those tit turds at Fox
thinking Classic Apes again.John, Scrolls.
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Group: pota Message: 34260 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Tv series 'movies' - titles and episodes
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Hi Apes,

I have some questions regarding the five (or four?) UK MOVIES
which 'assembled' episodes from the TV Series:

1- What's the year? 1980 0r 1981? Have you the airing dates for each
one? The ratings? What's the criterium behind the movies? Are the
episodes proposed in a chronological order?

2- The TITLES and the episodes featured in each one.

3- Why don't we start a special petition to restore and somehow
integrate the AGED GALEN clips in the official DVD release of the TV
series? Those are the last appearences of Roddy as Humanoid Ape...!
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Group: pota Message: 34261 From: ron kenner Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
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was it in one of the serling scripts?

mlccougar@... wrote:
In a message dated 11/23/2005 8:36:07 AM Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Wait a moment, Apes...  is the Doomsday bomb mentioned and/or showed
in some form in the TV SERIES?


There is no Alpha-Omega bomb mentioned anywhere in the TV series... Who knows, had the series been allowed to continue, it may have been worked in at some point, but of the 14 episodes we got, it's not in there...



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Group: pota Message: 34262 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Tv series 'movies' - titles and episodes
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/23/2005 10:00:01 AM Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

3- Why don't we start a special petition to restore and somehow
integrate the AGED GALEN clips in the official DVD release of the TV
series? Those are the last appearences of Roddy as Humanoid Ape...!


They already released the TV series on DVD with no extras... It is highly unlikely that they are going to re-issue it with the Roddy clips (which ABC may own, as they were made to air on the ABC networks airings of the "films"...)
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Group: pota Message: 34263 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
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was it in one of the serling scripts?


No, it wasn't in those either...
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Group: pota Message: 34264 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Digest Number 2407
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Yeah, but apes also don't speak, or have a civilization, or make war
with atomic mutants under the ruins of New York City, either...duh!

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/21/2005 11:36:33 AM Central Standard Time,
> mail@m... writes:
>
> > There's on Gorilla in the animated series novels who has a chimp
> > grandparent and Marvel's Evolution's Nightmare has a guy who is a
bit
> > of everything, so maybe there is a bit of cross group rumpy pumpy
going
> > on.
>
> And that is impossible to happen... The great apes species cannot
interbreed,
> so this can't even work...
>
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Group: pota Message: 34265 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Banner
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Ha, ha, ha...Great banner, James...Happy T-Day to everybody...

G
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Group: pota Message: 34266 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/23/2005
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Made me laugh. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone? Elaine
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Group: pota Message: 34267 From: ape_mom Date: 11/23/2005
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Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!

Helen
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Group: pota Message: 34268 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 11/23/2005
Subject: Marvel UK issue 58
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Happy Thanksgiving to our U.S. readers (and a belated Happy Thanksgiving to those in Canada who celebrated last month). Among the the things I'm thankful for this year is the fact that my in-laws have high-speed Internet access so that I only have to break away from spending time with my nephews for a few minutes to confirm for you that the latest Marvel UK issue is now available to download from Hunter's site.
 
Cornelius and Zira don't have much to be thankful for in this week's installment of the Escape adaptation. Cornelius isn't pleased to see his wife getting stuck with needles and Zira's being forced to tell her interrogators all about the atrocities she performed on humans.
 
Letter column fans will be thankful for a double-page installment this week.
 
 
Greg
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34269 From: shanter2002 Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
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The Alpha Omega isn't mentioned in a TV Series context, as far as I
know, but that doesn't mean it's not somewhere on the TV Series
planet.It's not mentioned in the original movie, but it's still
there.I don't see any reason why the Alpha Omega isn't lurking in the
TV Series background and chances are that, like Taylor, Virdon would
know of it.John, Scrolls
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Group: pota Message: 34270 From: Dave B Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 58
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Cornelius and Zira don't have much to be thankful for in this week's
installment...


Oh, I don't know. Cornelius gets a smashing blue suit on the cover :0)

> Letter column fans will be thankful for a double-page installment
this week.

Yayyy! I love these letters. 'Galen is fab! Can you arrange for him to
come to my house for dinner' etc. I'm waiting for the day I recognise
the name of the letter writer. I wonder why the editorial staff didn't
just have a rubber stamp made with the words 'Sorry, the answer is no'
that's all they ever seem to say by way of reply.

Dave
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Group: pota Message: 34271 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (R
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The Alpha Omega isn't mentioned in a TV Series context, as far as I
know, but that doesn't mean it's not somewhere on the TV Series
planet.


I agree with this comment... And maybe there is a race of mutated humans living somewhere in the ruins of one of the Forbidden Zones out there too... But, of course we'll never know if that's where the TV series would have went...
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Group: pota Message: 34272 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Marvel UK issue 58
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In a message dated 11/24/2005 6:26:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, dave@... writes:
I wonder why the editorial staff didn't just have a rubber stamp made with the words 'Sorry, the answer is no' that's all they ever seem to say by way of reply.
 
I wonder why they couldn't do back issues?
I hope that fan finally found 1 - 25 on eBay.
 
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Group: pota Message: 34273 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The TV series... SEQUEL to BFTPOTA? (Read
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I wonder if they would've revealed it somewhere down the line, if the
show had lasted...It would have been a nice dramatic point...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
>
> The Alpha Omega isn't mentioned in a TV Series context, as far as I
> know, but that doesn't mean it's not somewhere on the TV Series
> planet.It's not mentioned in the original movie, but it's still
> there.I don't see any reason why the Alpha Omega isn't lurking in
the
> TV Series background and chances are that, like Taylor, Virdon
would
> know of it.John, Scrolls
> >
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Group: pota Message: 34274 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: The Plague
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After closer examination, I modified my TIMELINES, and discerned
between a Plague-Strain I which killed the most of the DOGS and CATS
communities, but was somewhat less virulent, and a Plague-Strain II
which killed ALL the dogs and cats within months. My idea is that the
far more 'advanced' STRAIN II was 'imported' in a latent conditon by
Cornelius, Zira, MIlo and their ship! After 10 years of quiescence,
the bacillum modified for a effect of a spontaneous genetic
ricombination.
Is it possible from a viral point of view?
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Group: pota Message: 34275 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: The TV series... some questions for you all (okay I'm boring)
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Hey Apes,

1- Can you tell me something about the Scientists of 'The Legacy'
and their fabulous technology? Another proof the apocalypse in
Apeline One happened in the 26th Century and *NOT* in the end of the
20th Century.

2- For those who think the SERIES is an alternative universe and
doesn't fit with the movies: let's assume for a moment the series
belongs (which is what I firmly believe, however). Well, is it
plausible that FUTURISTIC people from 26th century (it's Apeline
One, remember) slowly turned into a race of rural slaves (3085) and
then in brainless Primitives(3978)? The last passage seems way too
radical, isn'it?

3- Am I totally nuts or GALEN (Roddy) really looks like a Female
Ape? He's very cool, the first androgynal Humanoid Ape. Now, do you
think GALEN is somewhat related to CORNELIUS's genetic line (since
both the characters are portrayed by Roddy)? Maybe he's truly an
ancestor of both Cornelius and Caesar. Can you tell me something
about 'the' Galen of the original 1968 POTA? I really don't remember
the character very well.
I don't understand WHY on hell they used the 'Zaius' and the 'Galen'
names for the TV Series!
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Group: pota Message: 34276 From: ANTHONY LOWDER Date: 11/24/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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Ok but how do you account for the fact that dogs were
seen in the TV series?


--- apecalypsenow <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:

> After closer examination, I modified my TIMELINES,
> and discerned
> between a Plague-Strain I which killed the most of
> the DOGS and CATS
> communities, but was somewhat less virulent, and a
> Plague-Strain II
> which killed ALL the dogs and cats within months. My
> idea is that the
> far more 'advanced' STRAIN II was 'imported' in a
> latent conditon by
> Cornelius, Zira, MIlo and their ship! After 10 years
> of quiescence,
> the bacillum modified for a effect of a spontaneous
> genetic
> ricombination.
> Is it possible from a viral point of view?
>
>
>
>
>
>




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Group: pota Message: 34277 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The TV series... some questions for you al
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Can you tell me something about 'the' Galen of the original 1968 POTA? I really don't remember the character very well.


What's there to tell, other than he was a minor character in the film. He was "little more than a vet" according to his own statement, so he felt his work was being overlooked by those in charge...


I don't understand WHY on hell they used the 'Zaius' and the 'Galen' names for the TV Series!


Well, the Galen name makes sense, as he was really a minor figure in the film, so there really would be no confusion between the two anyway... As far as Zaius goes, yeah, you're correct that they should have created a new name, but they just went with some cheap name recognition...
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Group: pota Message: 34278 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
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Ok but how do you account for the fact that dogs were
seen in the TV series?


They goofed, nothing more. 

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34279 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The TV series... some questions for you al
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In a message dated 11/24/2005 7:05:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
Am I totally nuts
 
Yup!
Absolutely.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34280 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/25/2005
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I't's everything in my timeline.

The TV series belongs to APELINE ONE ---- the Plague was far less
virulent, and some of the cats and the dogs survived. Even CORNELIUS
stated that.





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, ANTHONY LOWDER <alowder_80524@y...>
wrote:
>
> Ok but how do you account for the fact that dogs were
> seen in the TV series?
>
>
> --- apecalypsenow <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
>
> > After closer examination, I modified my TIMELINES,
> > and discerned
> > between a Plague-Strain I which killed the most of
> > the DOGS and CATS
> > communities, but was somewhat less virulent, and a
> > Plague-Strain II
> > which killed ALL the dogs and cats within months. My
> > idea is that the
> > far more 'advanced' STRAIN II was 'imported' in a
> > latent conditon by
> > Cornelius, Zira, MIlo and their ship! After 10 years
> > of quiescence,
> > the bacillum modified for a effect of a spontaneous
> > genetic
> > ricombination.
> > Is it possible from a viral point of view?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
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Group: pota Message: 34281 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
>
> I't's everything in my timeline.
>
> The TV series belongs to APELINE ONE ---- the Plague was far less
> virulent, and some of the cats and the dogs survived. Even CORNELIUS
> stated that.
>

I could be wrong but I don't recall Cornelius ever saying anything of
the sort.
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Group: pota Message: 34282 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
>
>I't's everything in my timeline.
>
>The TV series belongs to APELINE ONE ---- the Plague was far less
>virulent, and some of the cats and the dogs survived. Even CORNELIUS
>stated that.


I would tend to agree with that... I can't see a plague wiping out "every" dog/cat in the world...

In a message dated 11/25/2005 11:35:52 AM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:


I could be wrong but I don't recall Cornelius ever saying anything of
the sort.

He says it indirectly... When they're being interrogated, he does say "By the time the plague was contained..." so you could read that as saying that it was contained and it didn't wipe out all canines/felines...
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Group: pota Message: 34283 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/25/2005
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Corneluis said that HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS died, while Armando
expressed in more absolutistic terms: "All the dogs and the cats
died".



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > I't's everything in my timeline.
> >
> > The TV series belongs to APELINE ONE ---- the Plague was far
less
> > virulent, and some of the cats and the dogs survived. Even
CORNELIUS
> > stated that.
> >
>
> I could be wrong but I don't recall Cornelius ever saying anything
of
> the sort.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34284 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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               I was looking in both the paperback book and my copy of the script Escape that Cornelius never said what was the actual timeline of the Plague that killed the dogs and cats,  maybe the plague was dormant until some catalyst (i.e Cornelius, Zira and Milo) came from the future and brought some rare type of bacteria which was prevelent in the future but was not prevelent in 1973. Throughout history there have been cases that a disease which was known in a civilized society was brought into a society which was not civilized  was either wiped out or came close to extinction.  Maybe this was a case that might have happen when Cornelius was talking about the extinction of man's domesticated pets.
 
                Maybe the Plague did not kill off all the dogs and cats, maybe there were small pockets which has group of dogs and cats that were unaffected by the plague and these domesticated animals might have gone feral until the apes found them and domesticated them like man did earlier in their history. 
 
Your opinion on this.
 
Thank you
Kevin
PofTAfan
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Group: pota Message: 34285 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
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You're taking the quote out of context. He said 'hundred of thousands
died and hundreds of thousands has to be destroyed...by the time the
plauge was contained man was without pets". So Cornelius is saying
pretty much the same thing as Armando.


http://www.goatley.com/pota/scripts/pota_escape_final_2.pdf


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
>
> Corneluis said that HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS died, while Armando
> expressed in more absolutistic terms: "All the dogs and the cats
> died".
>
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Group: pota Message: 34286 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/25/2005 2:19:47 PM Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Cornelius never said what was the actual timeline of the Plague that killed the dogs and cats,


Since he and Zira came from the original timeline, the plague OCCURED in the first timeline...

They got stupid with it in CONQUEST though and just used the plague as their catalyst to show domesticated apes in servitude... They should have had something else occur as to why they became enslaved... It was all just cheap continuity.
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Group: pota Message: 34287 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/25/2005 2:17:00 PM Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You're taking the quote out of context. He said 'hundred of thousands
died and hundreds of thousands has to be destroyed...by the time the
plauge was contained man was without pets".


by the time the plauge was contained
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Group: pota Message: 34288 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
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       But if Zira and Cornelius came from the first timeline the plague must have came later in man's history,  could it be plausible that when they came from the future to earth's past that some microbe or some other organism that was in the future could have came back with the ape-o-nauts.
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Group: pota Message: 34289 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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"by the time the plauge was contained man was without pets"


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/25/2005 2:17:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@a... writes:
>
> > You're taking the quote out of context. He said 'hundred of thousands
> > died and hundreds of thousands has to be destroyed...by the time the
> > plauge was contained man was without pets".
>
> by the time the plauge was contained
>

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Group: pota Message: 34290 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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That's because Dehn was writing a circular timeline story not a dual timeline. Dehn even commented about it in an interview he gave about Conquest in January of 1972, which is published in The Planet of the Apes Chronicles by Paul A. Woods:

"There was a plague of cats and dogs in Apes Three which was only spoken about, when all the cats and all the dogs on Earth had died,so the human race was without pets, which was intolerable and they started looking around for something else and began to get monkeys, which was all mentioned in Apes Three...It was found that they could be taught to do simple things...so very soon they began to do much more difficult things...and they became the servants of mankind and having begun as pets they end, as our film (Conquest) opens, as slaves."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/25/2005 2:19:47 PM Central Standard Time,
> PofTAfan@a... writes:
>
> > Cornelius never said what was the actual timeline of the Plague that killed
> > the dogs and cats,
>
> Since he and Zira came from the original timeline, the plague OCCURED in the
> first timeline...
>
> They got stupid with it in CONQUEST though and just used the plague as their
> catalyst to show domesticated apes in servitude... They should have had
> something else occur as to why they became enslaved... It was all just cheap
> continuity.
>

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Group: pota Message: 34291 From: ape_mom Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> You're taking the quote out of context. He said 'hundred of
thousands
> died and hundreds of thousands has to be destroyed...by the time the
> plauge was contained man was without pets". So Cornelius is saying
> pretty much the same thing as Armando.
>


True. That's a good call. But the idea of some feral animals
surviving (previous post) still works.

Helen
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Group: pota Message: 34292 From: ape_mom Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
>
> But if Zira and Cornelius came from the first timeline the plague
must have
> came later in man's history, could it be plausible that when they
came from
> the future to earth's past that some microbe or some other organism
that was
> in the future could have came back with the ape-o-nauts.
>


Circular! ;)
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Group: pota Message: 34293 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: The Plague --------- BUT!
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Dehn DID a lot of things, but wasn't able to interpret THEM in the
right, correct way. He was a strange kind of genius, if you ask me.

I think the FIRST PLAGUE - much less virulent - was the actual
product of the many space missions. I placed the Strain I in 2006
(APELINE ONE). Just an 'in-joke', since the number 23 is a recurrent
one in the POTA saga, so I did: 1983 (Plague - Strain II) + 23 =
2006 (Plague - Strain I).

I think the Strain II was 'imported' by Cornelius, Zira and Milo,
and stayed in quiescence for 10 years. 1973+10= 1983. It was the
ADVANCED, neutralized, CONTAINED form of the STRAIN I. Then, by
effect of genetic recombination, the virus developed itself into the
active and much more virulent STRAIN II.

Basically, the Plague Strain I originated the Plague Strain II.
Another cool paradox.



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
>
> That's because Dehn was writing a circular timeline story not a
dual timeline. Dehn even commented about it in an interview he gave
about Conquest in January of 1972, which is published in The Planet
of the Apes Chronicles by Paul A. Woods:
>
> "There was a plague of cats and dogs in Apes Three which was only
spoken about, when all the cats and all the dogs on Earth had
died,so the human race was without pets, which was intolerable and
they started looking around for something else and began to get
monkeys, which was all mentioned in Apes Three...It was found that
they could be taught to do simple things...so very soon they began
to do much more difficult things...and they became the servants of
mankind and having begun as pets they end, as our film (Conquest)
opens, as slaves."
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/25/2005 2:19:47 PM Central Standard Time,
> > PofTAfan@a... writes:
> >
> > > Cornelius never said what was the actual timeline of the
Plague that killed
> > > the dogs and cats,
> >
> > Since he and Zira came from the original timeline, the plague
OCCURED in the
> > first timeline...
> >
> > They got stupid with it in CONQUEST though and just used the
plague as their
> > catalyst to show domesticated apes in servitude... They should
have had
> > something else occur as to why they became enslaved... It was
all just cheap
> > continuity.
> >
>
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Group: pota Message: 34294 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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In a message dated 11/25/2005 3:16:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
when all the cats and all the dogs on Earth had died,so the human race was without
 
So the writer even says it . . .
All.  Not some.   Not most.
All.  So the dog on the TV show was . . .
 
A. a different time line.
 
B. Some freak immuno-offshoot.
 
C. Sloppy disregard for the conventions of the POTA World.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34295 From: James Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: The Plague --------- BUT!
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You're right that Dehn was very sloppy and inconsistant. And you've
come up with some creative theories to explain the inconsistanies.
I'll give you that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@y...>
wrote:
>
> Dehn DID a lot of things, but wasn't able to interpret THEM in the
> right, correct way. He was a strange kind of genius, if you ask me.
>
> I think the FIRST PLAGUE - much less virulent - was the actual
> product of the many space missions. I placed the Strain I in 2006
> (APELINE ONE). Just an 'in-joke', since the number 23 is a
recurrent
> one in the POTA saga, so I did: 1983 (Plague - Strain II) + 23 =
> 2006 (Plague - Strain I).
>
> I think the Strain II was 'imported' by Cornelius, Zira and Milo,
> and stayed in quiescence for 10 years. 1973+10= 1983. It was the
> ADVANCED, neutralized, CONTAINED form of the STRAIN I. Then, by
> effect of genetic recombination, the virus developed itself into
the
> active and much more virulent STRAIN II.
>
> Basically, the Plague Strain I originated the Plague Strain II.
> Another cool paradox.
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 34296 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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In a message dated 11/25/2005 6:02:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:
True.  That's a good call.  But the idea of some feral animals
surviving (previous post) still works. 
 
Interesting that in 12 Monkeys the plague kills ONLY humans.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34297 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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I wouldn't say it's a circular timeline, it more of a changing lanes timeline. Because if  Cornelius said that the plague started later in the future that cause the demise of the dogs and cats, but when Cornelius, Zira and Dr. Milo came from the future to earth's present, the timeline was undoubtely changed and the plague came sooner. Haselein said that time has a infinite number of lanes all leading to earth's present into the future. So when the earth of 3975 or  3955 was destroyed, they might have been thrown onto another timeline. 
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Group: pota Message: 34298 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/25/2005 7:27:14 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Interesting that in 12 Monkeys the plague kills ONLY humans.


And there were some humans that survived that plague...
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Group: pota Message: 34299 From: simianhistorian Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow"
<apecalypsenow@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I't's everything in my timeline.
> >
> > The TV series belongs to APELINE ONE ---- the Plague was
far less
> > virulent, and some of the cats and the dogs survived. Even
CORNELIUS
> > stated that.
> >
>
> I could be wrong but I don't recall Cornelius ever saying
anything of
> the sort.
>


I believe in Escape Cornelius states that "some dogs and cats
had to be destroyed" but I don't recall him specifying if it was
because they were indeed infected, or for fear that they might be
carriers.

Who's to say there were'nt PETA members hiding some of the
pets from being destroyed? Remember, although the Sacred
Scrolls are supposedly "the word", it wouldn't surprise me if they
only contained breif details and not acutal facts.

cornelius
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Group: pota Message: 34300 From: ape_mom Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@a... wrote:
>
> I wouldn't say it's a circular timeline, it more of a changing
lanes
> timeline. Because if Cornelius said that the plague started later
in the future
> that cause the demise of the dogs and cats, but when Cornelius,
Zira and Dr.
> Milo came from the future to earth's present, the timeline was
undoubtely
> changed and the plague came sooner. Haselein said that time has a
infinite number
> of lanes all leading to earth's present into the future. So when
the earth of
> 3975 or 3955 was destroyed, they might have been thrown onto
another
> timeline.
>

But Hasslein was only dealing with HIS theory. The ape-earance of
Cornelius, Zira, and Milo in the Escape timeline was FACT.

Helen
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Group: pota Message: 34301 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 11/25/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague --------- BUT!
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In a message dated 11/25/2005 6:41:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
I think the Strain II was 'imported' by Cornelius, Zira and Milo,
and stayed in quiescence for 10 years. 1973+10= 1983. It was the
ADVANCED, neutralized, CONTAINED form of the STRAIN I. Then, by
effect of genetic recombination, the virus developed itself into the
active and much more virulent STRAIN II.

Or the second strain was obtained when blood tests were taken of the ape-o-nauts upon their arrival and stored away. Ten years after the strange unidentified virus was isolated from their blood samples the carefully-stored vial broke and spread the disease.
   Bruce
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Group: pota Message: 34302 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA --------- LEO DAVIDSON is the
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I'm ALMOST sure Leo is from APELINE ONE ---- his expedition started
in 2027, and maybe USAF replaced ANSA by that time. 'His' Planet of
the Apes is really an alien planet, so it doesn't affect
our 'terrestrial' Planet of ther Apes, they can co-exist like two
twins! I use to call the Time Warp in POTA 2001 Hasslein Curve III
a.k.a 'TASK-3'.

Now Leo talked with Ari and the Apes a lot, during their journey in
the Forbidden Zones. He mentioned the 'normal' monkeys
were 'starving' on Earth, and the whole OBERON project involved
monkeys in order to protect THEM or make constructive experiments on
them. Since his initial reaction to HUMANOID APES was traumatic, I
assume H. Apes were introducted much lately in Apeline One, maybe
2040 A.C. (Keep in mind Cornelius, Zira and Milo never emerged in
1973, in Apeline One).

So the Plague could have affect normal monkeys, after all. That
would explain WHY in the original POTA saga people kept to exercise
H. Apes as 'pets' and not the average monkeys in the first
place !!!

Now listen guys, this is explosive stuff. Maybe TASK-3 works in a
double way: entrance-mode, it works like a ' regular' time warp;
exit-mode, it works like a multi-dimensional portal.
So when LEO presumibly returned to 'Earth', he went catapulted into
what I use to call 'TERRA APE' ------ RETURN TO POTA Timeline Earth,
where the Apes are technologically adavanced! (and yes, THADE find
his way to affect that world too or maybe he was envised to do so,
even if the RETURN cartoon doesn't mention him).

Now I'm wondering... what do you know about 'TERRA APE'? Are in the
cartoon mentioned some historical events, some details? I never
watched the cartoon, so don't know a thing about it.

Is 'TERRA APE' (RETURN TO POTA) the future and post-apocalyptic
version of the 'Planet Earth' where LEO landed on?


GOD... I LOVE THIS SAGA! I'm finding a way to make the cartoon an
official 'part' of the saga as well... yes it's an alternative
universe but still way connected to 'Taylor's' and 'Caesar's' world
thanks to TASK-3 !!! And Tim BURTON's remake might be part of the
saga, even!
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Group: pota Message: 34303 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague --------- BUT!
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Bruce I like it! :) You're da man!

And going even further... Thanks to Cornelius, Zira, Milo they could
have 'scanned' the HUMANOID APES advanced morphology even better,
and syntethized a serum to stimulate Humanoid Apes's intelligence,
that's why the H. APES in CONQUEST seem smarter then ever in such
little amount of time.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@a... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/25/2005 6:41:52 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> I think the Strain II was 'imported' by Cornelius, Zira and Milo,
> and stayed in quiescence for 10 years. 1973+10= 1983. It was the
> ADVANCED, neutralized, CONTAINED form of the STRAIN I. Then, by
> effect of genetic recombination, the virus developed itself into
the
> active and much more virulent STRAIN II.
>
>
>
>
> Or the second strain was obtained when blood tests were taken of
the
> ape-o-nauts upon their arrival and stored away. Ten years after
the strange
> unidentified virus was isolated from their blood samples the
carefully-stored vial
> broke and spread the disease.
> Bruce
>
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Group: pota Message: 34304 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
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Patrick, is that you?
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/2005 5:09:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
I'm ALMOST sure Leo is from APELINE ONE ---- his expedition started
in 2027, and maybe USAF replaced ANSA by that time. 'His' Planet of
the Apes is really an alien planet, so it doesn't affect
our 'terrestrial' Planet of ther Apes, they can co-exist like two
twins! I use to call the Time Warp in POTA 2001 Hasslein Curve III
a.k.a 'TASK-3'.

Now Leo talked with Ari and the Apes a lot, during their journey in
the Forbidden Zones. He mentioned the 'normal' monkeys
were 'starving' on Earth, and the whole OBERON project involved
monkeys in order to protect THEM or make constructive experiments on
them. Since his initial reaction to HUMANOID APES was traumatic, I
assume H. Apes were introducted much lately in Apeline One, maybe
2040 A.C. (Keep in mind Cornelius, Zira and Milo never emerged in
1973, in Apeline One).

So the Plague could have affect normal monkeys, after all. That
would explain WHY in the original POTA saga people kept to exercise
H. Apes as 'pets' and not the average monkeys in the first
place !!! 

Now listen guys, this is explosive stuff. Maybe TASK-3 works in a
double way: entrance-mode, it works like a ' regular' time warp;
exit-mode, it works like a multi-dimensional portal.
So when LEO presumibly returned to 'Earth', he went catapulted into
what I use to call 'TERRA APE' ------ RETURN TO POTA Timeline Earth,
where the Apes are technologically adavanced! (and yes, THADE find
his way to affect that world too or maybe he was envised to do so,
even if the RETURN cartoon doesn't mention him).

Now I'm wondering... what do you know about 'TERRA APE'? Are in the
cartoon mentioned some historical events, some details? I never
watched the cartoon, so don't know a thing about it.

Is 'TERRA APE' (RETURN TO POTA) the future and post-apocalyptic
version of the 'Planet Earth' where LEO landed on?


GOD... I LOVE THIS SAGA! I'm finding a way to make the cartoon an
official 'part' of the saga as well... yes it's an alternative
universe but still way connected to 'Taylor's' and 'Caesar's' world
thanks to TASK-3 !!! And Tim BURTON's remake might be part of the
saga, even!
 
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Group: pota Message: 34305 From: James Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Lesson from the Lawgiver
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This week's Lesson from the Lawgiver has been posted. It can be accessed via the banner on the Yahoo Home Page or by using this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm .

This is the first of a special four part Lesson. Thanks again to all who contributed.

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Group: pota Message: 34306 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: I, Robot
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"I, Robot". I didn't like it, seemed very run of the mill, the usual Will
Smith clap trap. It also reminded me a bit of the "Alien Nation" movie.
Considering the positive reviews it got here, maybe I should see it again. I
want to give Fox every benefit of the doubt. The director is highly regarded
and reportedly he became yet another director Fox burned their bridges with
because of his treatment (like Burton and Brian Singer). - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Conquest the best for a re-make?


> > Yes!very Conquesty in parts and a pretty good movie too - in a B movie
> > kind of way.
>
> My family enjoyed it a lot---much more than we expected to from the
> crappy ad campaign they ran for it.
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: pota Message: 34307 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA ----
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Patrick M. Tilton is my friend, but he strongly believes in the
Circular Timeline theory. Some of his theories are stored in my
Yahoo group.

My name is Tiziano Caliendo, I'm Italian, 28 years old. I'm a sci-fi
writer, and my imagination is a little bit enhanced in comparison
with the 'Normals' :)





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> Patrick, is that you?
>
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2005 5:09:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> I'm ALMOST sure Leo is from APELINE ONE ---- his expedition
started
> in 2027, and maybe USAF replaced ANSA by that time. 'His' Planet
of
> the Apes is really an alien planet, so it doesn't affect
> our 'terrestrial' Planet of ther Apes, they can co-exist like two
> twins! I use to call the Time Warp in POTA 2001 Hasslein Curve
III
> a.k.a 'TASK-3'.
>
> Now Leo talked with Ari and the Apes a lot, during their journey
in
> the Forbidden Zones. He mentioned the 'normal' monkeys
> were 'starving' on Earth, and the whole OBERON project involved
> monkeys in order to protect THEM or make constructive experiments
on
> them. Since his initial reaction to HUMANOID APES was traumatic,
I
> assume H. Apes were introducted much lately in Apeline One, maybe
> 2040 A.C. (Keep in mind Cornelius, Zira and Milo never emerged in
> 1973, in Apeline One).
>
> So the Plague could have affect normal monkeys, after all. That
> would explain WHY in the original POTA saga people kept to
exercise
> H. Apes as 'pets' and not the average monkeys in the first
> place !!!
>
> Now listen guys, this is explosive stuff. Maybe TASK-3 works in a
> double way: entrance-mode, it works like a ' regular' time warp;
> exit-mode, it works like a multi-dimensional portal.
> So when LEO presumibly returned to 'Earth', he went catapulted
into
> what I use to call 'TERRA APE' ------ RETURN TO POTA Timeline
Earth,
> where the Apes are technologically adavanced! (and yes, THADE find
> his way to affect that world too or maybe he was envised to do
so,
> even if the RETURN cartoon doesn't mention him).
>
> Now I'm wondering... what do you know about 'TERRA APE'? Are in
the
> cartoon mentioned some historical events, some details? I never
> watched the cartoon, so don't know a thing about it.
>
> Is 'TERRA APE' (RETURN TO POTA) the future and post-apocalyptic
> version of the 'Planet Earth' where LEO landed on?
>
>
> GOD... I LOVE THIS SAGA! I'm finding a way to make the cartoon an
> official 'part' of the saga as well... yes it's an alternative
> universe but still way connected to 'Taylor's' and 'Caesar's'
world
> thanks to TASK-3 !!! And Tim BURTON's remake might be part of the
> saga, even!
>
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Group: pota Message: 34308 From: ape_mom Date: 11/26/2005
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> "I, Robot". I didn't like it, seemed very run of the mill, the
usual Will
> Smith clap trap. It also reminded me a bit of the "Alien Nation"
movie.
> Considering the positive reviews it got here, maybe I should see
it again. I
> want to give Fox every benefit of the doubt. The director is
highly regarded
> and reportedly he became yet another director Fox burned their
bridges with
> because of his treatment (like Burton and Brian Singer). - - - Jeff
>

Hey, Jeff!

I really like Azimov's Robot books. I don't think any movie can do
them justice. (I feel that way about Narnia, also, so I'm waiting
to see what happens there.) I didn't especially love "I Robot",
either. I think it lacked heart. I do agree with Hunter that the
movie was very "Conquesty", though. And, leaving the Azimov
expectations behind, I had fun rehashing it afterwards with the
kids. Some parts of it were pretty cool. And I definitely think it
got better as it went along -- unlike some movies which just hang.

Bet this doesn't make much sense to a person who regulary reviews
movies, but that is my memory of the movie, which actually didn't
leave much of an impression in the long run.

BTW: I really liked "The Bicentennial Man." It had heart. Although
I liked Azimov's "The Positronic Man" on which it was based much
more.

Helen
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Group: pota Message: 34309 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague --------- BUT!
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 6:10:09 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
Bruce I like it! :) You're da man!

And going even further... Thanks to Cornelius, Zira, Milo they could
have 'scanned' the HUMANOID APES advanced morphology even better,
and syntethized a serum to stimulate Humanoid Apes's intelligence,
that's why the H. APES in CONQUEST seem smarter then ever in such
little amount of time.

Could the same virus have made the chimps human-sized? Just a thought.
Bruce
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Group: pota Message: 34310 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: I, Robot
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"I, Robot". I didn't like it, seemed very run of the mill, the usual Will
Smith clap trap. - - - Jeff


It sucked.  I think one thing that could have made POTA2001 far worse than it was is if Will Smith had starred in it.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34311 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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And Tim BURTON's remake might be part of the saga, even!

It wasn't part of it then, it isn't part of it now, and it never will be!!!!


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Group: pota Message: 34312 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 11/26/2005 7:22:53 AM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Patrick, is that you?


No sh*t... That's exactly what I was thinking... But at least Patrick never tried to include pota2001 in anything to try to wrap it all up into one neat little package...
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Group: pota Message: 34313 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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Patrick M. Tilton is my friend, but he strongly believes in the
Circular Timeline theory. Some of his theories are stored in my
Yahoo group.

My name is Tiziano Caliendo, I'm Italian, 28 years old. I'm a sci-fi
writer, and my imagination is a little bit enhanced in comparison
with the 'Normals' :)


Patrick is a "POTA revisionist" and I can't stand his "scenarios."  I also do not see the film series as a circular timeline, and don't understand those that want too.

-- Rory

P.S.

I also don't spend time thinking about the silly theory of the plague on dogs and cats, which I think is one of the weakest SF concepts that could have been invented to explain the origins of the planet of the apes.  I'd rather stick with the much more intriguing ambiguities of Boulle's novel.
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Group: pota Message: 34314 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
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I'd rather stick with the much more intriguing ambiguities of Boulle's novel.


Exactly... That's another reason why Dehn messed things up... Just going with a cheap continuity...
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Group: pota Message: 34315 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/25/2005 12:54:02 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:
In a message dated 11/25/2005 2:19:47 PM Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

Cornelius never said what was the actual timeline of the Plague that killed the dogs and cats,


Since he and Zira came from the original timeline, the plague OCCURED in the first timeline...

They got stupid with it in CONQUEST though and just used the plague as their catalyst to show domesticated apes in servitude... They should have had something else occur as to why they became enslaved... It was all just cheap continuity.
 
  Another explanation would have made more sense, the apes were slaves. They did not replace pampered pets. Elaine


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Group: pota Message: 34316 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
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Ha, ha, ha, LT!...Too funny!...I was wondering the same thing!...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> Patrick, is that you?
>
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2005 5:09:12 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
> I'm ALMOST sure Leo is from APELINE ONE ---- his expedition
started
> in 2027, and maybe USAF replaced ANSA by that time. 'His' Planet
of
> the Apes is really an alien planet, so it doesn't affect
> our 'terrestrial' Planet of ther Apes, they can co-exist like two
> twins! I use to call the Time Warp in POTA 2001 Hasslein Curve III
> a.k.a 'TASK-3'.
>
> Now Leo talked with Ari and the Apes a lot, during their journey
in
> the Forbidden Zones. He mentioned the 'normal' monkeys
> were 'starving' on Earth, and the whole OBERON project involved
> monkeys in order to protect THEM or make constructive experiments
on
> them. Since his initial reaction to HUMANOID APES was traumatic, I
> assume H. Apes were introducted much lately in Apeline One, maybe
> 2040 A.C. (Keep in mind Cornelius, Zira and Milo never emerged in
> 1973, in Apeline One).
>
> So the Plague could have affect normal monkeys, after all. That
> would explain WHY in the original POTA saga people kept to
exercise
> H. Apes as 'pets' and not the average monkeys in the first
> place !!!
>
> Now listen guys, this is explosive stuff. Maybe TASK-3 works in a
> double way: entrance-mode, it works like a ' regular' time warp;
> exit-mode, it works like a multi-dimensional portal.
> So when LEO presumibly returned to 'Earth', he went catapulted
into
> what I use to call 'TERRA APE' ------ RETURN TO POTA Timeline
Earth,
> where the Apes are technologically adavanced! (and yes, THADE find
> his way to affect that world too or maybe he was envised to do so,
> even if the RETURN cartoon doesn't mention him).
>
> Now I'm wondering... what do you know about 'TERRA APE'? Are in
the
> cartoon mentioned some historical events, some details? I never
> watched the cartoon, so don't know a thing about it.
>
> Is 'TERRA APE' (RETURN TO POTA) the future and post-apocalyptic
> version of the 'Planet Earth' where LEO landed on?
>
>
> GOD... I LOVE THIS SAGA! I'm finding a way to make the cartoon an
> official 'part' of the saga as well... yes it's an alternative
> universe but still way connected to 'Taylor's' and 'Caesar's'
world
> thanks to TASK-3 !!! And Tim BURTON's remake might be part of the
> saga, even!
>
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Group: pota Message: 34317 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
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Call me a purest, but I have to agree with this...The original novel
presented the whole rise of the apes in a somewhat vague, mysterious
way...I loved that whole sequence in the book...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
I'd rather stick
> with the much more intriguing ambiguities of Boulle's novel.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34318 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:13:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
Patrick M. Tilton is my friend, but he strongly believes in the
Circular Timeline theory. Some of his theories are stored in my
Yahoo group.

My name is Tiziano Caliendo, I'm Italian, 28 years old. I'm a sci-fi
writer, and my imagination is a little bit enhanced in comparison
with the 'Normals' :)
 Nice to meet you, Tiziano. I'm relieved that there are others with an enhanced imagination,I get accused of that all the time. Elaine








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Group: pota Message: 34319 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: I, Robot
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 6:42:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
  "I, Robot". I didn't like it, seemed very run of the mill, the usual Will
Smith clap trap. It also reminded me a bit of the "Alien Nation" movie.
Considering the positive reviews it got here, maybe I should see it again. I
want to give Fox every benefit of the doubt. The director is highly regarded
and reportedly he became yet another director Fox burned their bridges with
because of his treatment (like Burton and Brian Singer). - - - Jeff
 I thought IRobot was very entertaining but then I am a Will Smith fan. I have never seen Alien Nation. Are the stories similar? Elaine 

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Group: pota Message: 34320 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] The Plague
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In a message dated 11/25/2005 12:19:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:
               I was looking in both the paperback book and my copy of the script Escape that Cornelius never said what was the actual timeline of the Plague that killed the dogs and cats,  maybe the plague was dormant until some catalyst (i.e Cornelius, Zira and Milo) came from the future and brought some rare type of bacteria which was prevelent in the future but was not prevelent in 1973. Throughout history there have been cases that a disease which was known in a civilized society was brought into a society which was not civilized  was either wiped out or came close to extinction.  Maybe this was a case that might have happen when Cornelius was talking about the extinction of man's domesticated pets.
 
                Maybe the Plague did not kill off all the dogs and cats, maybe there were small pockets which has group of dogs and cats that were unaffected by the plague and these domesticated animals might have gone feral until the apes found them and domesticated them like man did earlier in their history. 
 
Your opinion on this.
 
Thank you
Kevin
PofTAfan


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Group: pota Message: 34321 From: James Date: 11/26/2005
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Many who do see the film series as a circular timeline consider the two
timeline theory as revisionist.

And I don't think it is wanting to see it as circular but just looking
at what is presented at face value and not extrapolating since there is
not one line of dialogue that directly supports the two timeline theory
(that is C&Z created a 2nd timeline by traveling back in time, an
arguement can be made that a 2nd timeline was created by Caesar's
actions in Battle).

While it is a creative way to explain many of Dehn's mistakes and
inconsistancies, Dehn himself stated several times that he was writing
a circular story.

Then again one could say that Dehn and the sequels are revionist of the
original film.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
>
> Patrick is a "POTA revisionist" and I can't stand his "scenarios." I
also do
> not see the film series as a circular timeline, and don't understand
those
> that want too.
>
> -- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34322 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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I agree but could that make Dr. Haselein theory of time like changing lanes like what drivers do on a highway.
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Group: pota Message: 34323 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Re: The Plague/Apeline One/Return to POTA
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 1:09:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
Patrick is a "POTA revisionist"
 
I think it stems from his trying to unflub the flubs.
 
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Group: pota Message: 34324 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
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Would those then be considered "flubectomies"?...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2005 1:09:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@a... writes:
>
> Patrick is a "POTA revisionist"
>
>
>
> I think it stems from his trying to unflub the flubs.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34325 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
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Why so much CRITICISM towards ME?

Is this a POTA group? A constructive one at least?

WTF?





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2005 7:22:53 AM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
> > Patrick, is that you?
>
> No sh*t... That's exactly what I was thinking... But at least
Patrick never
> tried to include pota2001 in anything to try to wrap it all up
into one neat
> little package...
>
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Group: pota Message: 34326 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 3:57:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:
Ha, ha, ha, LT!...Too funny!...I was wondering the same thing!...
 
Well, I guess he's not the only one with incredibly detailed
unsubstantiated and wildly speculative theories.  Maybe I
should come up with some of my own.  Nah, there are more
than enough long winded conjectural posts going unread.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34327 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 7:01:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
Why so much CRITICISM towards ME?

Is this a POTA group? A constructive one at least?

WTF?
 
It's not towards you.
It's actually towards Patrick, but he's used to it by now.
Check out his Mothership Theory to see where this all
started.  There aught to be a file on it somewhere.
 
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Group: pota Message: 34328 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 7:01:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
WTF?
 
Oh, I forgot.
Patrick's theory should have a disclaimer
warning that he takes no responsibility for
eye strain or brain damage incurred from
trying to read, or understand, them.
Read them at your own risk.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34329 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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And I don't think it is wanting to see it as circular but just looking
at what is presented at face value and not extrapolating since there is
not one line of dialogue that directly supports the two timeline theory


This is exactly what I don't understand, since it seems pretty "face value" to me that the events of CONQUEST and BATTLE aren't what Cornelius told of in ESCAPE, hence the "future" is altered within the five-film series itself -- hence TWO timelines!

Pretty damn "self-evident" if you ask me!

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34330 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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Why so much CRITICISM towards ME?

Is this a POTA group? A constructive one at least?

WTF?


Not you -- your ideas.  And what's wrong with criticism?  It keeps the dialogue going.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 34331 From: apecalypsenow Date: 11/26/2005
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Verry funny, LORD ZERO. After all, your nickname says it all ----
why am I wasting my time with YOU then?

I feel compassion, that's why.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 11/26/2005 3:57:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@a... writes:
>
> Ha, ha, ha, LT!...Too funny!...I was wondering the same thing!...
>
>
>
>
> Well, I guess he's not the only one with incredibly detailed
> unsubstantiated and wildly speculative theories. Maybe I
> should come up with some of my own. Nah, there are more
> than enough long winded conjectural posts going unread.
>
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Group: pota Message: 34332 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:05:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
Pretty damn "self-evident" if you ask me!
 
I have to agree.  And I think that where the two lines
diverge is the sending of Taylor's ship into the future.
It was that, and the return of the ship with the Ape-
O-Nauts in it.  So in a sense Hasslein was right.
It was his fault.  My dialogue evidence is this.
Aldo was not the first ape to say, No.  Lisa
was.  There for the time line was altered.
 
QED
 
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Group: pota Message: 34333 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:06:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
Not you -- your ideas.
I have nothing against his, or Patricks, or anyone else's ideas.
All I ask for is some sort of a basis in, well not reality, but in
the story, somewhere.  Wild speculation and conjecture is
all well and good, but without something to back it up, it's
just so much balloon juice.  I can't evaluate something
like that.  It's like Patrick and his Mother Ship. 
Maybe he is intelligent.  But he's also crazy.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34334 From: hotscheetz Date: 11/26/2005
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Personally, I like a bit more witticism with my criticism...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/26/05 8:01:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> apecalypsenow@y... writes:
>
>
> > Why so much CRITICISM towards ME?
> >
> > Is this a POTA group? A constructive one at least?
> >
> > WTF?
> >
>
> Not you -- your ideas. And what's wrong with criticism? It keeps
the
> dialogue going.
>
> -- Rory
>
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:23:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
I feel compassion, that's why.
 
So do I. 
 
 
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:29:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:
Personally, I like a bit more witticism with my criticism
 
And I like theories that have evidence to support them.
Otherwise it's not much of a theory.  It's a guess.
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34337 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 11/26/2005
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In a message dated 11/26/2005 8:23:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:
Verry funny, LORD ZERO. After all, your nickname says it all
 
Sticks & Stones
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 34338 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 11/26/2005
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          The timeline was altered when Cornelius said that sometime in the future that the plague killed off the dogs and cats, but when the ape-o-nauts arrived the plague came sooner, also he said that primative apes were taught to do tasks for their human masters and then slaves in about two centuries, then  the ape revolt happened five centuries later into the future but came about 18 years later.
 
            But let throw this question for you to ponder. Maybe Cornelius knew the actual dates of the plague and the ape revolt because he read the Sacred Scrolls and something on the revolution of the apes and maybe the actual date and didn't tell the interrogators that so that wouldn't change the course of history.  
 
That's my opinion. Just a thought.
Kevin
PofTAfan
 
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