> Some were hoping "King Kong" would get a major nomination but it
> only got some technical noms. Guess it didn't rock the world.

> One critic was on TV this morning and said that the industry
> actually considers KK a bomb. It's made hundreds of millions, but it
> was expected to do LOTR kind of business.

Yeah, they're pretty funny with how they classify bombs these days.

> (I don't know where anyone
> got that idea! I had a feeling there wasn't much excitment about KK
> before it was released, except from the geeks.)

I didn't see much excitement for it, either. "Entertainment Weekly"
printed the results of an online poll a couple of weeks ago that
asked, "Why didn't you go see KING KONG?" 52% of the 13K+ responses
were, "I've seen this movie before. Twice." As I think I said here,
my wife had less than zero interest in it, because she thinks the
story is dumb. (That said, she went to see it anyway and enjoyed it
more than she thought she would. But she still thinks the story
itself is dumb.)

Hunter

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In a message dated 1/31/2006 12:54:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, e_r_s_1966@... writes:

Actually, the original novel is entitled Red Dragon.

 

I heard, but I don't think he was talking about the books.

 

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LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>Actually Silence Of The Lambs is a sequel to Manhunter.

Red Dragon is a remake. <<


Yes, but Red Dragon is the original name of the novel that Manhunter was
based on.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullview/LIFIV2VJRKJ6/103-9537
965-2400632?%5Fencoding=UTF8

or

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0434009059/qid=1138753740/sr=1-8/ref=sr_
1_8/103-9537965-2400632?s=books&v=glance&n=283155


William Petersen was such a better Will Graham than what's his name
pretty boy was. When Red Dragon was out, most reviews I read pointed out
that Manhunter was a far superior film.


Chris L.

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In a message dated 1/31/2006 1:48:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

stenosaurus@... wrote:

>>Henry Corden also did an odd cartoon series called "The Barkleys" that
was  a
spoof of the then-current All in the Family. For some reason a bigoted 
family of dogs didn't catch on with the juvenile viewing audience. <<


You know, I actually vaguely remember that for some reason. And to think
this is probably housed up in the Turner library somewhere...


Chris L.

Chris,

  I remember the lyrics but will NOT repeat them here...

Bruce 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 1/31/06 1:11:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, softparadeband@... writes:

I am a bit amazed at how popular BATTLE is with the fans.As a first
generation APES goer who saw each and every film in the THEATRE as they
were released,I can tell you that BATTLE was the ultimate
dissapointment.

Forget BATTLE.  I continue to be surprised at how popular the TV show is.  That was the huge disappointment in POTAdom -- until the 2001 disaster.

I guess it all has to do with childhood nostalgia.  For me the time of the original is golden, for Joe it's BENEATH, partly because he was only five when PLANET came out.  For others of you here, the TV show was your first exposure to APES, so it rates as something special.

The guy who wrote the "other" POTA book, Eric Greene, he saw BATTLE first, so don't wonder why he sees so much in it.

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In many regards PLANET and BENEATH are the only two "true" Planet 
of The Apes movies

 

Yeah, since they are the only ones on "The Planet" so to speak.

And the only ones now in the future.  It's a bit far fetched and

Escape excels it in many respects.  But escape had certain

advantages, being in a modern setting and having only the two

principles and one supporting Ape.  But Beneath did have

an advantage as well, being in the original POTA world.  And

in spite of budget problems, nuclear bombs are always fun.  ; )

 

 

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stenosaurus@... wrote:

>>I remember the lyrics but will NOT repeat them here... <<

Well now you HAVE to tell me...


Chris L.

I like Battle and although it is my least favorite apes film (not
counting 2001) if feel it was less of a final chapter letdown than
Return of the Jedi. (Are we allowed to mention Star Wars in this
group?)

> Actually, the original novel is entitled Red Dragon.  Manhunter was
> a made for TV movie adaptation of the novel Red Dragon.

True, except that MANHUNTER was not made-for-TV (though it was
directed by Michael Mann, who did "Miami Vice" for TV).

Hunter

I like the updated version Rory, and I think you should come up with a
back cover (and maybe some inside booklet artwork) with the photos Dan
and Mark suggested.

BTW, just so everyone knows, this isn't an imminent release. It's going
to be a while before all the various elements are assembled and ready to
go. When they are though, everyone will know.

I appreciate the enthusiasm everyone has shown for this project. I'm sure
everyone here would agree that sharing ape rarities from one's own
personal collection- instead of hoarding them all to yourself- is
something to be encouraged among fans.


Chris L.



"canadianapefandan" <mystic4ever@...> wrote:

>>What do you think of a back cover to the radio spots CD of a screen

cap from the POTA cartoon of the ape in the truck listening to the radio?

"Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:

>>Looks great. I have the actual APES fonts if you want them. Another

good photo to use
would be the one of the two gorilla soldiers listening to the radio on
the set of POTA. <<


Haristas@... wrote:

>>I made a second cover for the eventual "Radio Spots" (and other stuff)

CD. I
like this one better even though I spent less time making it. What do
you think? <<

Quite a bit actually. It kept up a very good pace, and the effects were
very impressive. The one scene at the end (in Boston) where one of the
tripods was leaning into the side of a building was one of the most
realistic EFX shots I've ever seen.


Chris L.


LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>You like that?

I was bored almost to
unconsciousness. <<


lawford42@... wrote:

>>Well, that's one good film (WotW) out of three... <<

David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:

>>Well im my opinion he (James Francisus) was a better choice for the

role than Burt Reynolds. I could not see him(reynolds) playing that part.
I thought JF did a good job. <<

Agreed on both counts.

>>I would have liked to seen more scenes with Taylor and Brent though.

There scenes were too quick. We could have learned more from them about
some experiences and what the Govt told Brent about his rescue mission
and why Taylor and his crew where really in space for.. <<

Part of that no doubt was due to the restrictions placed on the
production. There was at least once scene filmed in the cell that was
definitely cut out. And the rescue mission has always been a bit of a
mystery. I always wondered if Dehn had intended to follow that up at some
point, or if he simply wasn't familiar enough with the first film to know
that Taylor wasn't supposed to be coming back. Remember that you couldn't
just go out and rent a video back then. It would have been easy enough to
say that Brent and Taylor's ship were part of the same mission, so Dehn
most likely just wasn't aware.


Chris L.

Was March 16th, 1976 a Friday? What time did it start? Also, what time
zone is the TV Guide you have from? I'm just curious as to what time it
was aired here on the East Coast.

Was there a movie before the June 17th 1976 airing of BATTLE?

Chris L.


"Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>>Going thru these old TV Guides I have I have found

that :
Planet re-aired on August 27, 1976
Beneath was shown again on March 16, 1976
Conquest on September 9, 1976
and Battle on June 17, 1976
Hadn't found a second showing of Escape...
These were all on network TV (I believe on CBS)
after that I have found all the films on various dates
but as syndicated to local stations. <<

Haristas@... wrote:

>>I always liked James Franciscus. He was kind of sad in real life.

Never had
the career as a movie star he wanted, his wife left him, smoked himself
to
death. Did you know he was Jane Fonda's "first"? <<


I knew how he died, but never had heard any of the other stuff. I wonder
if that had anything to do with the unusually large amount of roles he
chose where his character died at the end? Beneath, Night Slaves, Good
Guys Wear Black (all directed by Ted Post), The Man Inside, Killer Fish,
When Time Ran Out- I'm sure there's more.

Though he did score a virgin Barberella, so it wasn't all bad. Good man!!
Where did you hear that Rory?


Chris L.

"Kassidy Rae" <valwp@...> wrote:

>>++And to a lesser degree, another reason is Brent. He's a bit of a

washed-out copy of Heston.
Yes, I know some of you think he's the best, but he just never was able
to carry the film, IMO. It took Roddy and Kim and Chuck, actors with
that power and sheer charisma and presence. <<


I don't know that he was supposed to carry the film though. When you
think about it, Brent, Nova, Ursus, and Zaius are all central characters.


Chris L.

"canadianapefandan" <mystic4ever@...> wrote:

>>The animated Silver Surfer series was great, the art was Kirby-

inspired. My only gripe with it was they took the Fanastic Four out of
his 1st appearance on Earth. <<

I'm pretty sure they were licensed elsewhere and that's why they couldn't
be included. One of the old Marvel animated series from 1966/67 was
partially reworked. Either the Fantastic Four were taken out of a Sub
Mariner cartoon or vice versa because Grantray Lawrence had licensed Sub
Mariner and Hanna Barbera had the FF.

>>Marvel was talking about a feature SS film back in 1996 (around the

same time a Captain America cartoon series was proposed) but it
eventually became an animated series instead (and the Captain America
cartoon was scrapped in favour of a b-roster Avengers cartoon.)

If done properly, Captain America could be a great movie series. But
in the meantime, there's a straight-to-video animated Ultimate
Avengers feature-length cartoon coming out on DVD on February 21. <<

I gave up on the Fox Avengers series after a few episodes because it
wasn't very well done. Ditto for that animated Spiderman series they did
with Peter Parker going to an alternate Earth. I'm curious as to how the
new Avengers DVD will be. In fact, I remember reading an article saying
that Marvel has a whole series of straight to DVD releases of this
nature.

Silver Surfer has been discussed for a long, long time now. At least
there's the technology now to make it look descent. The Captain America
movie from 1990 had a good costume, but that's about it. Believe it or
not, I actually enjoyed the two TV Movies from 1979. Ditto for Dr.
Strange, Spiderman (with Nicholas Hammond), and The Hulk.


Chris L.

"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>>If you really want a blast from the past go to the TV Ads page in

the Art & Info section of the group website:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/TVAds.htm
There are scans of all the original TV Guide ads and reviews. <<


I've definitely looked through those before. The interesting thing about
those 4:30 Movie ads is that they ran a different text theme with them
each year. The ones on the page here took the humorous approach
("...monkey business is taken seriously", "...thousands of simians start
to go ape"), but I'm pretty sure they all weren't as goofy.


Speaking of which:

http://home.earthlink.net/~kfp/ (finally has the long sought after
opening video sequence)

http://www.dvddrive-in.com/TV%20Guide/430movielogo.htm


I actually remember seeing that 'Close-Up' ad from September 14th, 1973
when it originally ran. For those of you who have TV Guides from back
then, were there any pictures ads for BENEATH or BATTLE like there are
for the other three?

Labor Day weekend 1998, my TV was tuned to AMC for most of the weekend.
Plus they ran the films all month long at different times. One week it
was the widescreen versions at 8 PM and midnight, and the Tuesday night
airing of BENEATH was during their "Reel Cinema" segment, so the film got
a special introduction by the guy who used to be their host (can't think
of his name right now). I do remember him standing in the upstairs lobby
of a large, upscale theatre though. I have that on tape here somewhere in
my collection.


Chris L.

On what date?

James, you realize that all these dates should be listed somewhere? Maybe
a schedule at the bottom of the page with all the ads?


Chris L.



Haristas@... wrote:

>>It was on the CBS late movie in Sept. of '77. <<

apefan23@... wrote:

>> Hadn't found a second showing of Escape... <<

"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>>The PLANET and BENEATH heralds only have fake news. The ESCAPE

herald is a hybrid with both fake news and news about the movie. The
herald for BATTLE is the only one that has all real articles about
the making of the film.

Scans of all the original heralds are available in the Group Website
in the One Sheets section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/OneSheets.htm

And don't forget the TV series Herald created to celebrate the 30th
Anniversary of the show. PDF versions are available on both Hunter's
site: https://pota.goatley.com/misc/tvherald.pdf and Kass' site:
https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/herald.html" <<


Thanks for the info James!

Aside from BENEATH, the only other Herald I have is for the TV Series.
One of these days I'll have to track the other three down on eBay.


Chris L.

David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:

>>What about ROBOT CHICKEN??? That show is f-n funny.... <<

It is, but that show most people got into right away. I was listing some
of the AS shows that took a while to people to get into. The more
straightforward new programs like Robot Chicken, Venture Brothers, and
Stroker & Hoop are a little more accessible right from the get go.


Chris L.

"Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:

>>As far as podcasting goes, I can produce the whole thing. A great idea

is to interview some
of the members who have created artwork and show the artwork as they are
interviewed.
Even interview collectors and show their collection. Maybe some original
stories could be
read in a weekly series. It would be a blast. <<


I say run with it Mark. You could feature different aspects of ape fandom
as you went along- people who created artwork, collect old promotional
material, run website and mailings lists. There's a wealth of material
there to be explored.


Chris L.

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Time for a new question...

What's the order of your favorite APES film score?

PLANET -- Jerry Goldsmith
BENEATH -- Leonard Rosenman
ESCAPE -- Jerry Goldsmith
CONQUEST -- Tom Scott
BATTLE -- Leonard Rosenman
TV SERIES -- Lalo Schifrin and others
CARTOON SERIES -- Dean Elliott<.html<.html

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I like the updated version Rory, and I think you should come up with a
back cover (and maybe some inside booklet artwork) with the photos Dan
and Mark suggested.

BTW, just so everyone knows, this isn't an imminent release. It's going
to be a while before all the various elements are assembled and ready to
go. When they are though, everyone will know.

Hurry up, dammit!!!

Here's a redo of the last cover to get rid of the "black box" and I'm working on a back cover -- got the photo from someone here.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/1/06 10:15:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

Though he did score a virgin Barberella, so it wasn't all bad. Good man!!
Where did you hear that Rory?


Chris L.

Read it in Jane Fonda's book.  They knew each other in college.  He asked her to marry him.  She turned him down.  Franciscus could have been a Robert Redford-type movie star, but it just never happened for him.  That's Hollywood.

-- Rory<.html <.html

I agree with your order, Rory...Interestingly enough, the order they
were made/released/aired...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Alright....
>
> Time for a new question...
>
> What's the order of your favorite APES film score?
>
> PLANET -- Jerry Goldsmith
> BENEATH -- Leonard Rosenman
> ESCAPE -- Jerry Goldsmith
> CONQUEST -- Tom Scott
> BATTLE -- Leonard Rosenman
> TV SERIES -- Lalo Schifrin and others
> CARTOON SERIES -- Dean Elliott
>

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>That's not hip, it's crap! If that's hip then hip is broke!

I don't care if the story is as convoluted as a Mobius Strip!
It sucks! Now I've said that about stuff I eventually enjoyed,
like Super Milk Chan, but I don't think I can watch enough
of 12 oz. Mouse to get into it. It repels me. <<

>>This just sounds like a couple guys (possibly one guy)

got drunk and recorded some stupid crap and "animated"
it when he was hungover. It's like that 3rd grade thing
on Robot Chicken, only that was good. And this, isn't. <<

>>But this is cheap and lazy, like the static shots in anime.<<

Well it doesn't suck, but it's definitely not for everyone. It's just one
of those things you either love or hate, you get or you don't. There's
really no one saying "Well, it's OK". I think if more AS viewers would
look past the obvious (and intentional) limited animation, they'd really
see what was going on. There is a lot of animation geeks out there though
that demand- I think- far too much perfection. They see something
exceptionally brilliant and well done, and then every single thing
afterwards pales in comparison. And that's where the problems start- "in
comparison". You should always judge something on it's own merits first,
then make a comparison if it's relevant. Not just for the sake of
comparing.

I don't think, though, that a drunk person could come up with a story
that detailed. Stoned, possibly. And although it's inexpensive, the sheer
amount of attention to detail in the story shows that it's not lazy.
Just...different.

When I said "hip", I was talking more about the viewers than the program
itself.


Chris L.

"drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:

>>I like Battle and although it is my least favorite apes film (not

counting 2001) if feel it was less of a final chapter letdown than
Return of the Jedi. (Are we allowed to mention Star Wars in this group?)
<<


As long as you footnote the fact that SW would never have happened were
it not for the success of the Apes films. :-)

(joking of course, but it happens to be true).


Chris L.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>I heard, but I don't think he was talking about the books. <<

In fact, I was. That's why I referenced 2001, 2010, and 2061 also.


Chris L.

David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:

>>No I did not know that. I rember hearing on the news and inthe papers

when he passed away. I was sad. Felt bad for the guy.. <<


I was barely employed at the time he died, only working part time in a
Caldor department store, so my days usually began at around 1 in the
afternoon. I remember seeing the obituary in the paper that day while
eating breakfast and being seriously bummed out. POTA was riding a bit of
a renaissance wave back then with the (unfortunately, dreadful) Adventure
Comic series and highly touted new film. Oliver Stone's name was attached
at the time, as was Arnold Schwarzenegger. There was some magazine (Sci
Fi Universe maybe?) that had an article about the new film, and it
referenced POTA Revisited (which I had first read about in Starlog back
in 1986).


Chris L.

I am curious -- how many of you out there have some representation of
the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...
For myself, I have a small metal trash can with an embossed Statue of
Liberty on it, prominently displayed in my "toy room"...It's both
functional and decorative...=)

G

"softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:

>>you will see that even the director,cast and of

course the critics all agreed that BATTLE was a mess.

Having voted BATTLE as the absolute weak link in the APES series, I will
also... <<


Still a hundred times more entertaining that POTA 2001. Paul Williams,
Austin Stoker, and in particular Claude Akins, all turn in fine
performances. Ditto for minor roles like Lew Ayres and Paul Stevens.

>>The TV series and cartoon lagging (limping) behind <<

An ongoing narrative like what was presented in the cartoon series can be
*so* bothersome sometimes...


Chris L.


Chris L.

e s <e_r_s_1966@...> wrote:

>>(b) to me it seemed to have that "made for tv quality", <<

What?!?!?! Maybe if you saw an edited down version it'd come across that
way. Watch it uncut on DVD and you'll come away with a much better
impression.


Chris L.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>As I recall he's firing a rifle,

but a machine gun sound effect
is dubbed in. Another blooper. >>


But you see machine gun bullets spray across the far way in a straight
line. You couldn't make rapid shots from a rifle like that.


Chris L.

Haristas@... wrote:

>>The guy who wrote the "other" POTA book, Eric Greene, he saw BATTLE

first, so
don't wonder why he sees so much in it. <<


The review in Entertainment Weekly summed it up nicely: "Sometimes, a
school bus driving across the desert IS JUST a school bus driving across
the desert."

He saw a lot (much- I suspect- that wasn't really there), but he missed
an awful lot as well.


Chris L.

"me8md" <me8md@...> wrote:

>>In the premiere of the television series, the two astronauts find a

book with an illustration or photograph of New York City dated in the
year 2500.

In the novel, the protagonist writes that he left Earth in the year 2500.
<<


You know, I never did read the original Boulle novel.

Wasn't the photo from 2503? Not that it would make a difference...

I wonder if the writers were familiar with the original book and chose
that date for some reason. Come to think of it, I wonder if they were
ever told if this was supposed to be set in the same "universe" as the
original five films?


Chris L.

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 1:05:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

you get or you don't. There's
really no one saying "Well, it's OK".

 

If you get it, explain it, and why it's funny.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 1:05:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

Oliver Stone's name was attached
at the time, as was Arnold Schwarzenegger.

 

I'm still pissed at that guy.

He pulled me and this girl

out of a shot, moved a few

people around, then put her

back.  Like I'm not going to

notice.  Like it's a shell game!

Bastard!  Why not just tell me

like a man? "Your ugly mug is

ruining my shot, and I'm afraid

it might crack the camera lens."

Bastard!  And Speilberg owes me

money!  Cheap Hollywood Scum!

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 1:09:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

But you see machine gun bullets spray across the far way in a straight
line. You couldn't make rapid shots from a rifle like that.

 

What's you're point?

He's holding a rifle.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 1:05:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

I don't think, though, that a drunk person could come up with a story
that detailed.

 

Oh yeah, really detailed.  Pardon my incredulity,

but I don't see it.  A mouse, and a mouse get orders

from a shark and pick a guy up at the airport and

make a porno with him, then kill him, then stop at

a bar and get drunk and talk smack, and get in a

jet and fly around.  It's Sooooo detailed.  Except

it's like that every show.  At least the ones I've

seen.  Or should I say the one I've seen since

it's the only one they show, over and over, like

Boo Boo Goes Wild.  I may have to watch it

sometime to see the subtlety.   But maybe its

like one of those magic pictures.  It took forever

to make one of those work.  Was it worth it?

Not really.  But at least I could finally see

what it was about.  More eyestrain than

it's worth really.  This is just as painful.

 

 

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If you have to explain a joke

it's not funny.  But I've been

wrong about shows before.

FLCL comes to mind.  Maybe

it'll grow on me.  Like a fungus.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> I am curious -- how many of you out there have some representation of
> the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...

I've uploaded a picture into the 'Fan Art' folder in the files section
called 'statue1.jpg'.

I bought the statue in that museum/gift shop beneath the real statue
when I visited New York with the intention of destroying it once I got
home. I remember my son (then 5) cried when I cut it up!

It's a shame Sideshow never did a 'Future of Liberty' set. It would
have been awesome if done in the same scale as the Lawgiver.

Dave

I've got the little Kubrick Liberty and a print done by John Conway
years ago.Isn't Apes the greatest franchise for truly iconic images?
John.


http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PotaFanArt/statue1.jpg

OK Here's my list:

Planet
Escape
Conquest
Battle
Beneath
TV series
Cartoon
2001

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Alright....
>
> Time for a new question...
>
> What's the order of your favorite APES film score?
>
> PLANET -- Jerry Goldsmith
> BENEATH -- Leonard Rosenman
> ESCAPE -- Jerry Goldsmith
> CONQUEST -- Tom Scott
> BATTLE -- Leonard Rosenman
> TV SERIES -- Lalo Schifrin and others
> CARTOON SERIES -- Dean Elliott
>

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Looks great, Dave...Thanks for sharing...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I am curious -- how many of you out there have some
representation of
> > the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...
>
> I've uploaded a picture into the 'Fan Art' folder in the files
section
> called 'statue1.jpg'.
>
> I bought the statue in that museum/gift shop beneath the real statue
> when I visited New York with the intention of destroying it once I
got
> home. I remember my son (then 5) cried when I cut it up!
>
> It's a shame Sideshow never did a 'Future of Liberty' set. It would
> have been awesome if done in the same scale as the Lawgiver.
>
> Dave
>

Film scores! Are we the most spoiled fans in the world when it comes to
music! My choice is:
1.TV Series
2.Escape
3.Planet
4.Conquest
5.Beneath
6.Planet 2001
7.Return
8.Battle.
I've surprised myself with that running order, but, to me, it feels
right.Probably reverse it asll tomorrow, however! John, Scrolls.

Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 1/31/06 1:11:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, softparadeband@... writes:

I am a bit amazed at how popular BATTLE is with the fans.As a first
generation APES goer who saw each and every film in the THEATRE as they
were released,I can tell you that BATTLE was the ultimate
dissapointment.

************whoever wrote the above: thank you. it is interesting to learn first hand what it was like to be a part of the original "apes phenomenon."

Forget BATTLE.  I continue to be surprised at how popular the TV show is.  That was the huge disappointment in POTAdom -- until the 2001 disaster.

 

***********i agree rory (somewhat). i was thrilled for chance to finally be able to see the show when it had its premeire on the american sci-fi channel, but overall i thought it was kind of weak.

likewise, i had purchased the novels and read them (in the mid to late 80s) and also thought the stories were somewhat bland.

I guess it all has to do with childhood nostalgia.  For me the time of the original is golden, for Joe it's BENEATH, partly because he was only five when PLANET came out.  For others of you here, the TV show was your first exposure to APES, so it rates as something special.

 

***************again, you may be right, since the curtis/marvel magazines were my first main exposure to pota, and i seem to be more tolerant of their content than others are.

The guy who wrote the "other" POTA book, Eric Greene, he saw BATTLE first, so don't wonder why he sees so much in it.

-- Rory

*******************************rob/ron

********************************ps- when i got to see the movies for the first time on video ("playhouse"?) i seem to remeber liking battle the best. i think i was about 12 years old.

Learn more about pitbulls at the official Free Pitbulls, Inc. website:

http://home.earthlink.net/~thepittbull/

 

 

go vegetarian!

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What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 5:06:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, smugster2000@... writes:

I bought the statue in that museum/gift shop beneath the real statue
when I visited New York with the intention of destroying it once I got
home. I remember my son (then 5) cried when I cut it up!

 

Hate Liberty do ya Dave?

If I had you for a father I'd cry too.

 

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Favorite Scores

1.TV Series
2.Planet
3.Conquest
4.Beneath
5.Return
6.Battle
7. 2001
8. Escape (I loathe that score)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> I am curious -- how many of you out there have some representation of
> the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...
> For myself, I have a small metal trash can with an embossed Statue of
> Liberty on it, prominently displayed in my "toy room"...It's both
> functional and decorative...=)
>
> G
>

In the early 90's, Hotwheels released a playset with a post apoc Statue
of Liberty that was really cool. That's the one have displayed.

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 12:27:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Boo Boo Goes Wild??? Is this your own personal movie? Elaine

 

No, it's John K's personal movie.

He's they guy that created Ren & Stimpy

they go fired from it for to many butt jokes.

 

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1. POTA 1968
2. Beneath
3. Battle
4. TV series
5. Cartoon series
6. POTA 2001
7. Conquest
8. Escape.


Dan

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 5:06:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, smugster2000@... writes:

when I visited New York with the intention of destroying it once I got
home

 

Or were you just POTAfying it?

 

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I did a recording with a band I was in once and we used it on the cover of our posters.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I am curious -- how many of you out there have some representation of
> the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...
> For myself, I have a small metal trash can with an embossed Statue of
> Liberty on it, prominently displayed in my "toy room"...It's both
> functional and decorative...=)
>
> G
>

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In a message dated 2/1/2006 2:25:16 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

stenosaurus@... wrote:

>>I remember the lyrics but will NOT repeat them here...  <<


Well now you HAVE to tell me...


Chris L.

Here goes...

 

"Arnie Barkley, he's the head of the...Barkley House,

  Agnes Barkley,is his devoted and loving spouse.

  They've got kids, Terry Roger and, Chester too.

  And all of them are Barkleys-through and through.

 

"Cause they're the Barkleys, and they're OK

 And Arnie Barkley is always first to let you know his own opinionated way."

 

Amazing what the brain can remember. Now where are my keys?

 

Bruce 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

> Hate Liberty do ya Dave? Or were you just POTAfying it?

Oops! I was POTAfying it. I love Lady Liberty, (just can't get her to
notice me). I remember Alex Ruiz telling me he believed his site had
been flagged by the FBI, or the CIA or Mossad or somesuch because
there was mention of my planning to destroy the Statue. I guess I
should have mentioned I was talking about a six inch replica!

> If I had you for a father I'd cry too.

Of course you would - but remember, tears of joy are nothing to be
ashamed of :0)

Dave

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 2:07:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I am curious -- how many of you out there have some representation of
the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...
For myself, I have a small metal trash can with an embossed Statue of
Liberty on it, prominently displayed in my "toy room"...It's both
functional and decorative...=)

G

I used to have a couple of small metal souvenier (spelling?) statues I had gotten from my visits to the statue when I was a kid.  BTW I think it sucks that due to national security visitors can't get to the top of the statue anymore (I used to complain because they wouldn't let me in the torch!) And this was the days before the elevator was added so that was some walk.

  Bruce

   Bruce  

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I looked for the Escape late night showing in aug/Sep
77 in the TV guides but didnt see it......I'll have to
look again...unless you have a date for it...

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/30/06 12:00:32 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
>
> > Planet was also shown on April 25, 1975
> >
>
> Yes, CBS showed PLANET three times -- an old pan &
> scan transfer I wouldn't
> walk across the street to glance at these days!
> Yuck!
>
> -- Rory
>

I'd like to see that...Do you have a scan of it?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> In the early 90's, Hotwheels released a playset with a post apoc
Statue
> of Liberty that was really cool. That's the one have displayed.
>

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 4:19:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, smugster2000@... writes:

Oops! I was POTAfying it.

I see.  It just occurred to me.

I read that when I first woke up.

From the way it was written I

thought you were just cutting

it up because you hate America.

 

 

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It was on at 11:00 am EST

--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>
> Are there any ads, episode descriptions, or the like
> for RETURN? I know
> it was on NBC, but I don't remember what time it was
> on. I think it was
> late morning (here on the East Coast anyway).
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

My local editions of TVGuide had no ads for
it.....just a brief mention in the fall preview....

"Return to the Planet of the Apes finds NBC undaunted
by the failure of last season's CBS Planet of the Apes
series. This cartoon version is set about 1000 years
later, in the year 3810. The time device adds machines
and vehicles to the plot. Next thing you know, the
apes will be watching television."

and then just the title in the listings on saturday
morning....but the TVG's were different in other
states...so maybe somewhere out there, there was an ad
for Return...?

Tim

--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> >>I wasa going thru old TV guides that I've had
> stashed
> away for years and Return seemed to play every
> Saturday from Sept 75 to Sept.76.....I can't
> remember
> being bored with the same few episodes run over and
> over again...>>! <<
>
>
> Me neither. Of course, even if I knew it was a
> repeat I wouldn't have
> said anything. My younger sister was always looking
> for excuses to hijack
> the TV.
>
> Are there any ads, episode descriptions, or the like
> for RETURN? I know
> it was on NBC, but I don't remember what time it was
> on. I think it was
> late morning (here on the East Coast anyway).
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

1- PLANET'68
2- BATTLE/BENEATH ex equo
3- CONQUEST
4- TV SERIES/POTA 2001 ex equo
5- ESCAPE

Never watched the CARTOON.

I've got Beneath showing on APRIL 16 '76.....I think
it was a friday..most of thm were...starting at 9

the are North Carolina editions so east coast time

Battle showed on January 17, 1975 first

--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> Was March 16th, 1976 a Friday? What time did it
> start? Also, what time
> zone is the TV Guide you have from? I'm just curious
> as to what time it
> was aired here on the East Coast.
>
> Was there a movie before the June 17th 1976 airing
> of BATTLE?
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> >>Going thru these old TV Guides I have I have found
> that :
> Planet re-aired on August 27, 1976
> Beneath was shown again on March 16, 1976
> Conquest on September 9, 1976
> and Battle on June 17, 1976
> Hadn't found a second showing of Escape...
> These were all on network TV (I believe on CBS)
> after that I have found all the films on various
> dates
> but as syndicated to local stations. <<
>
>
>

I've been meaning to ask you, James, why did you feel it necessary to
insult Cornelius by putting his head on the spindly body of Curious
George...? =)

(Funny, though, eh?)

G

.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/2/06 3:13:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, drhasslein@... writes:

8. Escape (I loathe that score)

OMG!!!!  It's Goldsmith!!!!  How can you hate it?

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/2/06 5:22:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I looked for the Escape late night showing in aug/Sep
77 in the TV guides but didnt see it......I'll have to
look again...unless you have a date for it...

Tim

Look again!

Tuesday, September 6, 1977, 11:30 p.m., CBS Late Movie!

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"hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...>

>>I am curious -- how many of you out there have some representation of

the Statue of Liberty amid your POTA collection?...
For myself, I have a small metal trash can with an embossed Statue of
Liberty on it, prominently displayed in my "toy room"...It's both
functional and decorative...=) <<


I actually don't, though I plan on tracking down one of those Mego POTA
Village playsets one of these days. I'm pretty sure there's an image of
the Statue of Liberty on that.


Chris L.

"Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>>I've uploaded a picture into the 'Fan Art' folder in the files section

called 'statue1.jpg'.

I bought the statue in that museum/gift shop beneath the real statue
when I visited New York with the intention of destroying it once I got
home. I remember my son (then 5) cried when I cut it up!

It's a shame Sideshow never did a 'Future of Liberty' set. It would
have been awesome if done in the same scale as the Lawgiver. <<


That's very cool Dave!! Did you create the surrounding landscape as well?
I'm presuming that's supposed to be Taylor and Nova towards the right
hand side, but what's that thing off to the left? Looks like a boulder
with tied around it.


Chris L.

Haristas@... wrote:

>> Alright....

Time for a new question...

What's the order of your favorite APES film score? <<


BENEATH -- Leonard Rosenman
PLANET -- Jerry Goldsmith
BATTLE -- Leonard Rosenman
TV SERIES -- Lalo Schifrin and others
CONQUEST -- Tom Scott
CARTOON SERIES -- Dean Elliott
ESCAPE -- Jerry Goldsmith

Admittedly though, BENEATH is the only one I listen to on a regular
basis.

Out of curiosity, does everyone here have all the soundtrack CDs (the
ones that are available anyway)?


Chris L.

>
> OMG!!!! It's Goldsmith!!!! How can you hate it?
>
> -- Rory
>

I think the combination of the score and the way it was shot, made
Escape look and feel like a made for television movie (even though the
story was probably the strongest). As much as I hate to say the
word...the guitar & bass "dates" the picture unlike the others.

"shanter2002" <mail@...> wrote:

>>I've got the little Kubrick Liberty and a print done by John Conway

years ago.Isn't Apes the greatest franchise for truly iconic images? <<


I'd be curious to see the print if you could post it to the Files
section.

Chris L.

LordTZer0@... wrote:

>>If you get it, explain it, and why it's funny. <<

If we ever meet up somewhere, I will. If I start to try and write the
whole thing out it'd take a good half hour. Plus only a fraction of the
entire story has been revealed. Basically though, Fitz has a whole other
life that's been basically taken away from him. He's been brainwashed,
but you aren't 100% sure that any of the other characters are even aware
of that. Shark thinks that Fitz is hiding the truth, but in fact Fitz
doesn't remember it. And then there's Skillet...

The humor simply comes from the bizarre situations, much like ATHF,
Squidbillies, etc. But I don't necessarily think this is supposed to be
just a comedy show. More like a show with humorous elements in it as well
as everything else that's going on.

>>Oh yeah, really detailed. Pardon my incredulity,

but I don't see it. A mouse, and a mouse get orders
from a shark and pick a guy up at the airport and
make a porno with him, then kill him, then stop at
a bar and get drunk and talk smack, and get in a
jet and fly around. It's Sooooo detailed. Except
it's like that every show. At least the ones I've
seen. Or should I say the one I've seen since
it's the only one they show, over and over, <<


I believe there's only six or seven episodes done right now, so it sounds
like you just keep seeing the first ep. My comments about the detailed
story come from watching all the eps through a few times. It's a very
slow burn, and we've only really seen the tip of the iceberg.


Chris L

Haristas@... wrote:

>>Hurry up, dammit!!!

Here's a redo of the last cover to get rid of the "black box" and I'm
working
on a back cover -- got the photo from someone here. <<


Patience grasshopper.

Seriously though, this is at least a couple months down the road. There's
a few things to track down yet.


Chris L.

I'd like to see that...Do you have a scan of it?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> In the early 90's, Hotwheels released a playset with a post apoc
Statue
> of Liberty that was really cool. That's the one have displayed.
>

My TV Guide lists for Sep. 6, 1977 11:30
US Open Tennis Highlights followed by the movie"Call
of the Wild" on all CBS stations...ABC had Kojak and
NBC of course had Johnny....
Strange.......

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/2/06 5:22:31 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
>
> > I looked for the Escape late night showing in
> aug/Sep
> > 77 in the TV guides but didnt see it......I'll
> have to
> > look again...unless you have a date for it...
> >
> > Tim
> >
>
> Look again!
>
> Tuesday, September 6, 1977, 11:30 p.m., CBS Late
> Movie!
>
> -- Rory
>

That's so kuel, Greg...Thanks for posting it...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
>
> I have the same thing, although I discarded the base and
accessories from the set, just keeping the Statue part. It's part of
my figure display. I've uploaded a photo in the Misc. folder in the
Photos section.
>
> It would have been very cool if Sideshow had done a polystone
sculture of the Statue to go along with the Lawgiver.
>
> Greg
>
> hotscheetz <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
> I'd like to see that...Do you have a scan of it?...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > In the early 90's, Hotwheels released a playset with a post apoc
> Statue
> > of Liberty that was really cool. That's the one have displayed.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I agree...It has a 70s rock/pop flavor to it that dates it...IMHO...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > OMG!!!! It's Goldsmith!!!! How can you hate it?
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> I think the combination of the score and the way it was shot, made
> Escape look and feel like a made for television movie (even though
the
> story was probably the strongest). As much as I hate to say the
> word...the guitar & bass "dates" the picture unlike the others.
>

No insult was meant to either Cornelius or to President Bush.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I've been meaning to ask you, James, why did you feel it necessary to
> insult Cornelius by putting his head on the spindly body of Curious
> George...? =)
>
> (Funny, though, eh?)
>
> G
>

Actually that's one of the reasons I like the score.
Swinging '70s Apes!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I agree...It has a 70s rock/pop flavor to it that dates it...IMHO...=)
>
> G
>

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 8:06:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

OMG!!!!  It's Goldsmith!!!!  How can you hate it?

 

I love that one!

Especially the sitar sounding guitar

and the Shopping Theme.  Classic 70s!

 

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 10:58:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, drhasslein@... writes:

I think the combination of the score and the way it was shot, made
Escape look and feel like a made for television movie

 

Nope, that would be Movie Of The Week star Bradford Dillman.

 

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 11:00:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

He's been brainwashed,
but you aren't 100% sure that any of the other characters are even aware
of that. Shark thinks that Fitz is hiding the truth, but in fact Fitz
doesn't remember it. And then there's Skillet...

 

Now I know I'll have to watch it again.

I hope it's a different episode.  One

think I did like was the fact you could

read stuff on the paper they used for

the animation.  Now that's funny!

 

 

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I have the original toys r us ad, and the box, but I don't own a
scanner or digital cam. The set up with the base is nice, but I don't
use the base either.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to see that...Do you have a scan of it?...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > In the early 90's, Hotwheels released a playset with a post apoc
> Statue
> > of Liberty that was really cool. That's the one have displayed.
> >
>

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In a message dated 2/2/2006 11:12:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I agree...It has a 70s rock/pop flavor to it that dates it...IMHO...=)

 

Are you nostalgic for nothing?

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 2/3/06 12:12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I think the combination of the score and the way it was shot, made
> Escape look and feel like a made for television movie (even though
the
> story was probably the strongest). As much as I hate to say the
> word...the guitar & bass "dates" the picture unlike the others.
>

Well... WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?!!!!

It's supposed to take place in 1973!

What kind of a score would you rather it have had?  Goldsmith knew what he was doing.

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or

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.html.htmlDid anyone else catch the bit on Conan O'Brien last night?

He was doing a sketch about wacky cable channels and the last one was "Petty Arguments on the Planet of the Apes."  He then showed a clip from PLANET (the scene in Cornelius' Office) and had everyone dubbed.  I can't remember what the petty argument was. but it was mildly amusing, and also the dubbing was perfect.  When Dr. Zaius came in and looked at Taylor he says to him, "Don't look at me."

-- Rory<.html<.html

Wish I coukld see that! Now THAT'S the sort of thing that should be an
extra on the dvd.John, Scrolls.

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Oh, sure...Just not for that piece of music...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 2/2/2006 11:12:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
> I agree...It has a 70s rock/pop flavor to it that dates
it...IMHO...=)
>
>
>
> Are you nostalgic for nothing?
>

Well, I'm sure Cornelius was offended -- but Curious George probably
didn't get the joke...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> No insult was meant to either Cornelius or to President Bush.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@> wrote:
> >
> > I've been meaning to ask you, James, why did you feel it necessary
to
> > insult Cornelius by putting his head on the spindly body of Curious
> > George...? =)
> >
> > (Funny, though, eh?)
> >
> > G
> >
>

Well, I think part of it is that in those days you had "The Partridge
Family" and "The Brady Bunch", as well as others, all singing and
dancing to the pop/rock beat -- and then having the serious tone of
POTA and BTPOTA reduced to the pop/rock craze of the time in EFTPOTA -
- well, it cheapens the serious flavor...IMHO...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/3/06 12:12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> HotScheetz@... writes:
>
>
> > I think the combination of the score and the way it was shot,
made
> > > Escape look and feel like a made for television movie (even
though
> > the
> > > story was probably the strongest). As much as I hate to say the
> > > word...the guitar & bass "dates" the picture unlike the others.
> > >
> >
>
> Well... WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT?!!!!
>
> It's supposed to take place in 1973!
>
> What kind of a score would you rather it have had? Goldsmith knew
what he
> was doing.
>
> -- Rory
>

As far as I know they only made the one set, in two runs...However,
there are two Leo's (one large scanner, one small), and two Thade's
(one on horseback, one not)...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...> wrote:
>
> The latest issue of TOYFARE lists the value of the POTA2001 Attar and
Thade statues at $50 each.
> Did they make more than one series of these? The ones I have are 9-
10" tall and they made Thade, Attar and Leo. I picked most of them up
when the stores were reducing costs to move stock for about $20 or
less, just can't see these worth $50 each unless there are others I'm
not aware of.
>
> Dan
>

Hey Dan,

I'm guessing TOYFARE are referring to the two 12-14 inch high statues
released by Dark Horse and sculpted by Gentle Giant studios. Whatever
your feelings about the movie these are stunning sculptures and well
worth $50

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@...> wrote:
>
> The latest issue of TOYFARE lists the value of the POTA2001 Attar
and Thade statues at $50 each.
> Did they make more than one series of these? The ones I have are
9-10" tall and they made Thade, Attar and Leo. I picked most of them
up when the stores were reducing costs to move stock for about $20 or
less, just can't see these worth $50 each unless there are others I'm
not aware of.
>
> Dan
>

Just in case there's anyone left (in the UK) that either hasn't
already seen it or doesn't own the DVDs...

<www.sfx.co.uk/news/planet_of_the_apes_returns_to_tv>

Dave