I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but doesn't kill.I'm
assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the Mutants went out to
fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind, were the ancestors of
Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured Mutants would have
left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go back to their hell
hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have played in Ape City's
future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a true pacifist, was
the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate destruction, when,
had he and Caesar actually met, there might have been a real chance for
peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.

Visually, The Interrogation is magic, but my fave episode, purely
because of George Effinger's novel, is The Deception.That story is
genetically burned into my brain, I've read it so many times.It's the
only episode where having the images on dvd in no way expunges my
own 'mind's eye' version.From the squirrel at the start, through
Burke's love message carved in the cave and on to Fauna's goodbye
kiss and future musings, that story is my favourite bit of Apes, full
stop.If anyone hasn't read the TV Series novels, they are, in my
humble opinion, better than what's on screen.John, Scrolls.

> >
> >
> >
> > "Tim "apefan"" apefan23@ wrote:
> >
> > >>I haven't watched them in so long I need to see them
> > again before I vote on a favorite... <<
> >
> >
> > drhasslein <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering what the fan favorite episodes of the television
> series
> > are. I've read very little on the matter, and I am curious. Mine
> are-
> >
> > 1. The Deception
> > 2. The Legacy
> > 3. The Good Seeds (I know most fans loathe this one, but I think
> its a
> > hoot) <<
> >
>

Speaking scientifically (if you can treat a storyline that has mutants
arising from nuclear bomb exposure as scientific!), if the captured
mutants stayed with Ape City, their mutation would have died out or
been bred out over the generations...If they returned to the radiation-
soaked City, they would have continued to mutate...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but doesn't kill.I'm
> assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the Mutants went out
to
> fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind, were the ancestors
of
> Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured Mutants would have
> left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go back to their hell
> hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have played in Ape
City's
> future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a true pacifist, was
> the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate destruction, when,
> had he and Caesar actually met, there might have been a real chance
for
> peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.
>

.html <.html

Are you calling socialist/revolutionist Che Guevara a hero?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "norton_edu" <norton_edu@...> wrote:
>
> The idea of combining the image of an ape with Che Guevara was part of
> the American scheme in making opposing leaders in the world ugly.
> Notice, Che Guevara was shot by CIA and Bolivian army before he was
> granted a fair trial at the age of 39! Why buy the shit and endorse
> the conspiracy blindly? Tarnishing the image of a hero only make us
> even more like apes.
>
> Joseph Norton
> La Palma, California
>

Both are very good points....I hadn't thought of this
before..

Tim

--- Stuart Drucker <sdrucker@...> wrote:

> Not to take this too literally or anything, but the
> "mutants" in Battle were
> first generation. They were part of Breck City's
> population in Conquest, and
> just like the adult humans in Battle were plain old
> Homo Sapiens before the
> war, at least until proven otherwise. The only
> visible consequences of
> living in the radioactive city as of the time of
> Battle were light
> sensitivity and "madness" (although that's from
> Caesar's subjective POV).
> Although YOU try living in a radioactive hellhole
> and see how cheerful
> you'll be..even if it's home.
>
>
>
> Unless those nifty skullcaps and headgear were
> covering up something we
> don't know about beyond hair loss, they couldn't
> have diverged a whole lot
> from "normal" humanity at that point in the history.
> Their kids are a
> different story, but remember that it took 26
> generations of in-breeding
> (limited or no outside population) to produce the
> Mutants in Beneath. It
> could be that the powers they developed were a
> survival mechanism to survive
> the in-breeding, triggered by the anti-radiation
> drugs "cell renewal" -
> creating enough genetic diversity to overcome the
> limited gene pool? That's
> probably horrible science, but this is science
> fiction after all.
>
>
>
> So assuming there weren't fertility issues due to
> the radiation
> exposure+anti-radiation drug, the small number of
> mutants captured by Caesar
> would still be interfertile with non-exposed humans.
> In a couple of
> generations they'd be bred out unless mutation turns
> out to be a dominant
> gene.
>
>
>
> Although I could see the Mutants of the city
> developing a caste system of
> breeding, each line of mind-readers, empaths, visual
> projectors etc. keeping
> the line "pure" when their abilities emerged but
> staying together because of
> their common worship of the almightly Bomb...but
> that's a different story.
>
>
>
> Stuart Drucker
>
> President
>
> Drucker Analytics, Inc.
>
> 233 E. Erie, Suite 801
>
> Chicago, IL 60611
>
> (312) 642-1202
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> shanter2002
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:59 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants
>
>
>
> I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but
> doesn't kill.I'm
> assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the
> Mutants went out to
> fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind,
> were the ancestors of
> Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured
> Mutants would have
> left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go
> back to their hell
> hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have
> played in Ape City's
> future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a
> true pacifist, was
> the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate
> destruction, when,
> had he and Caesar actually met, there might have
> been a real chance for
> peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Tim

--- Mark <rkid67@...> wrote:

> Are you calling socialist/revolutionist Che Guevara
> a hero?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "norton_edu"
> <norton_edu@...> wrote:
> >
> > The idea of combining the image of an ape with Che
> Guevara was part of
> > the American scheme in making opposing leaders in
> the world ugly.
> > Notice, Che Guevara was shot by CIA and Bolivian
> army before he was
> > granted a fair trial at the age of 39! Why buy
> the shit and endorse
> > the conspiracy blindly? Tarnishing the image of a
> hero only make us
> > even more like apes.
> >
> > Joseph Norton
> > La Palma, California
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but doesn't kill.I'm
assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the Mutants went out to
fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind, were the ancestors of
Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured Mutants would have
left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go back to their hell
hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have played in Ape City's
future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a true pacifist, was
the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate destruction, when,
had he and Caesar actually met, there might have been a real chance for
peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.

 It would be an interesting fanfic to have Mendez survive and meet Caesar. leading the story into a different direction. Elaine

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Unless they used different names like the Popes....

--- Stuart Drucker <sdrucker@...> wrote:

> I just noticed something: that statue of Mendez in
> Beneath was titled the
> 26th or 27th, right (my copy of the novelization's
> at home)? If the events
> of Beneath took place in 39xx (depending on which
> ANSA ship clock you
> believe), regardless of which Ape timeline they
> occurred in, they'd have to
> have had an average per-Mendez reign of roughly
> 75-80 years (in the
> post-Escape timeline) or 50-55 years (if you believe
> literally what
> Cornelius said about the Fall of Man in Escape).
> You'd have reigns of nearly
> the length of Victoria's or Hirohito's that cross
> multiple generations at a
> minimum. They sure must have respected their elders
>
>
>
> I guess that means more than 26 generations of
> Mutants, more like double to
> triple that number (assuming the approximately 30
> years of typical humans).
>
>
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> Drucker
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:31 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured
> Mutants
>
>
>
> Not to take this too literally or anything, but the
> "mutants" in Battle were
> first generation. They were part of Breck City's
> population in Conquest, and
> just like the adult humans in Battle were plain old
> Homo Sapiens before the
> war, at least until proven otherwise. The only
> visible consequences of
> living in the radioactive city as of the time of
> Battle were light
> sensitivity and "madness" (although that's from
> Caesar's subjective POV).
> Although YOU try living in a radioactive hellhole
> and see how cheerful
> you'll be..even if it's home.
>
>
>
> Unless those nifty skullcaps and headgear were
> covering up something we
> don't know about beyond hair loss, they couldn't
> have diverged a whole lot
> from "normal" humanity at that point in the history.
> Their kids are a
> different story, but remember that it took 26
> generations of in-breeding
> (limited or no outside population) to produce the
> Mutants in Beneath. It
> could be that the powers they developed were a
> survival mechanism to survive
> the in-breeding, triggered by the anti-radiation
> drugs "cell renewal" -
> creating enough genetic diversity to overcome the
> limited gene pool? That's
> probably horrible science, but this is science
> fiction after all.
>
>
>
> So assuming there weren't fertility issues due to
> the radiation
> exposure+anti-radiation drug, the small number of
> mutants captured by Caesar
> would still be interfertile with non-exposed humans.
> In a couple of
> generations they'd be bred out unless mutation turns
> out to be a dominant
> gene.
>
>
>
> Although I could see the Mutants of the city
> developing a caste system of
> breeding, each line of mind-readers, empaths, visual
> projectors etc. keeping
> the line "pure" when their abilities emerged but
> staying together because of
> their common worship of the almightly Bomb...but
> that's a different story.
>
>
>
> Stuart Drucker
>
> President
>
> Drucker Analytics, Inc.
>
> 233 E. Erie, Suite 801
>
> Chicago, IL 60611
>
> (312) 642-1202
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> shanter2002
> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:59 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants
>
>
>
> I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but
> doesn't kill.I'm
> assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the
> Mutants went out to
> fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind,
> were the ancestors of
> Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured
> Mutants would have
> left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go
> back to their hell
> hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have
> played in Ape City's
> future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a
> true pacifist, was
> the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate
> destruction, when,
> had he and Caesar actually met, there might have
> been a real chance for
> peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
>

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If memory serves me correctly, the novel called it "the Dynasty of
Mendez"...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Unless they used different names like the Popes....
>
> --- Stuart Drucker <sdrucker@...> wrote:
>
> > I just noticed something: that statue of Mendez in
> > Beneath was titled the
> > 26th or 27th, right (my copy of the novelization's
> > at home)? If the events
> > of Beneath took place in 39xx (depending on which
> > ANSA ship clock you
> > believe), regardless of which Ape timeline they
> > occurred in, they'd have to
> > have had an average per-Mendez reign of roughly
> > 75-80 years (in the
> > post-Escape timeline) or 50-55 years (if you believe
> > literally what
> > Cornelius said about the Fall of Man in Escape).
> > You'd have reigns of nearly
> > the length of Victoria's or Hirohito's that cross
> > multiple generations at a
> > minimum. They sure must have respected their elders
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess that means more than 26 generations of
> > Mutants, more like double to
> > triple that number (assuming the approximately 30
> > years of typical humans).
> >
> >
> >
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stuart
> > Drucker
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 11:31 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured
> > Mutants
> >
> >
> >
> > Not to take this too literally or anything, but the
> > "mutants" in Battle were
> > first generation. They were part of Breck City's
> > population in Conquest, and
> > just like the adult humans in Battle were plain old
> > Homo Sapiens before the
> > war, at least until proven otherwise. The only
> > visible consequences of
> > living in the radioactive city as of the time of
> > Battle were light
> > sensitivity and "madness" (although that's from
> > Caesar's subjective POV).
> > Although YOU try living in a radioactive hellhole
> > and see how cheerful
> > you'll be..even if it's home.
> >
> >
> >
> > Unless those nifty skullcaps and headgear were
> > covering up something we
> > don't know about beyond hair loss, they couldn't
> > have diverged a whole lot
> > from "normal" humanity at that point in the history.
> > Their kids are a
> > different story, but remember that it took 26
> > generations of in-breeding
> > (limited or no outside population) to produce the
> > Mutants in Beneath. It
> > could be that the powers they developed were a
> > survival mechanism to survive
> > the in-breeding, triggered by the anti-radiation
> > drugs "cell renewal" -
> > creating enough genetic diversity to overcome the
> > limited gene pool? That's
> > probably horrible science, but this is science
> > fiction after all.
> >
> >
> >
> > So assuming there weren't fertility issues due to
> > the radiation
> > exposure+anti-radiation drug, the small number of
> > mutants captured by Caesar
> > would still be interfertile with non-exposed humans.
> > In a couple of
> > generations they'd be bred out unless mutation turns
> > out to be a dominant
> > gene.
> >
> >
> >
> > Although I could see the Mutants of the city
> > developing a caste system of
> > breeding, each line of mind-readers, empaths, visual
> > projectors etc. keeping
> > the line "pure" when their abilities emerged but
> > staying together because of
> > their common worship of the almightly Bomb...but
> > that's a different story.
> >
> >
> >
> > Stuart Drucker
> >
> > President
> >
> > Drucker Analytics, Inc.
> >
> > 233 E. Erie, Suite 801
> >
> > Chicago, IL 60611
> >
> > (312) 642-1202
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > shanter2002
> > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 9:59 AM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but
> > doesn't kill.I'm
> > assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the
> > Mutants went out to
> > fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind,
> > were the ancestors of
> > Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured
> > Mutants would have
> > left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go
> > back to their hell
> > hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have
> > played in Ape City's
> > future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a
> > true pacifist, was
> > the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate
> > destruction, when,
> > had he and Caesar actually met, there might have
> > been a real chance for
> > peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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John, that is a very good deduction.  I'd always been curious myself as to what became of the Mutants that were captured.    Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 04/21/06 10:00:54 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants   I'm talking about the Mutants Caesar captures but doesn't kill.I'm assuming that only the 'able' bodied menfolk of the Mutants went out to fight, so Alma and Mendez,with those left behind, were the ancestors of Beneath's Mutants.My query is whether the captured Mutants would have left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go back to their hell hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have played in Ape City's future.It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a true pacifist, was the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate destruction, when, had he and Caesar actually met, there might have been a real chance for peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. John, Scrolls.             Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more... Yahoo! Groups Links   <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/   <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:      pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com   <*>

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My goodness, I would love to have that!   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 04/21/06 16:25:47 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Planet of the Apes] An Ebay goodie   Tell me you wouldn't want this:   http://cgi.ebay.com/PLANET-OF-THE-APES-TV-SCRIPT-AUTHENTIC-NOT-A-COPY_W0QQitemZ4867923182QQcategoryZ18840QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem   Bruce

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In a message dated 4/21/2006 11:13:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Zasco1957@... writes:

My goodness, I would love to have that!

 

Zach   

 

Wish I had the bucks to get that one, too.

Bruce

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Here's another PLANET DVD cover I've just made.  I've posted the front cover before, but now I've made it part of an entire DVD cover.  The whole thing is based on the 1968 Project 3 LP cover, so it's a mixture of 1968 and 2006.

Let me hear your criticisms.

-- Rory 

   I like this cover, I think you did a good job. Elaine

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Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the Planet of
the Apes movies has gone missing.

I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was in
storage on the lot at Fox studios. There are rumors it was then moved
to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state park.
Since then it's final disposition is a mystery.

Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA spaceship
mockup?

.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/22/06 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psiworld@... writes:

Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the Planet of
the Apes movies has gone missing. 

I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was in
storage on the lot at Fox studios.  There are rumors it was then moved
to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state park. 
Since then it's final disposition is a mystery. 

Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA spaceship
mockup?

No one knows.  I suspect it rusted out and was sold for scrap back in the late seventies.

-- Rory
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It was used in the opening crash sequence of the POTA TV series, filmed
at Malibu Creek Park, which is why it would be there...From there, I
don't know...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@...> wrote:
>
> Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the Planet of
> the Apes movies has gone missing.
>
> I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was in
> storage on the lot at Fox studios. There are rumors it was then
moved
> to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state park.
> Since then it's final disposition is a mystery.
>
> Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA
spaceship
> mockup?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/22/06 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> psiworld@... writes:
>
>
> > Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the

Planet of

> > the Apes movies has gone missing.
> >
> > I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was

in

> > storage on the lot at Fox studios. There are rumors it was then

moved

> > to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state

park.

> > Since then it's final disposition is a mystery.
> >
> > Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA

spaceship

> > mockup?
> >
> >
> No one knows. I suspect it rusted out and was sold for scrap back

in the

> late seventies.
>
> -- Rory
>

I thought I read somewhere that it was mostly a plyboard
construct...Maybe it rotted out and was dumped as trash...

There's a lengthy interview with Ron Harper in the current "Starlog". He
says that "The Good Seeds" was the first episode they filmed. They wanted
the actors to get a couple episodes under their belt before filming the
important first episode (the one viewers would see first and decide if they
like it). He thinks the second episode filmed was "The Gladiators". So any
problems with "The Good Seeds" might be getting the bugs worked out the
first time. At the time there were "frontier family" shows on, like "Little
House on the Prairie" and "The Waltons", so that might have been a take on
that. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Planet of the Apes] Favorite Television Episodes


The reasons that I have read that good seeds isn't well received is
because its a "lessons" episode. In the episode the "smart" humans
educate the "uninformed" apes how to better conduct their daily
lives. Also, Burke makes reference to Abe Lincoln, and, when Remus
says he would like to meet him, Burke responds in southern slave
dialect "So would I massa, so would I" I guess that's considered to
be in bad taste.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I haven't watched them in so long I need to see them
> again before I vote on a favorite...I was always
> partial to the Good Seeds though...Why do people
> loathe that one?
>
> --- KC ONeil <sonyscout@...> wrote:
>
> > I don't loathe "the good seeds", I loathe banannas!
> >
> > my favorite episodes are:
> >
> > The one where they swim under fire and fight
> > sharks! (ring of fire?)
> >
> > and the one where the blind ape falls in love with
> > Burke or was it Verdon?
> >
> >
> >
> > hell, they are all good, but those two i watch the
> > most. and the other one i watch most is when they
> > build the hang glider.
> >
> >
> >
> > drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> > I am wondering what the fan favorite episodes of
> > the television series
> > are. I've read very little on the matter, and I am
> > curious. Mine are-
> >
> > 1. The Deception
> > 2. The Legacy
> > 3. The Good Seeds (I know most fans loathe this one,
> >
> > but I think its a hoot)
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But I thought "The Liberator" had a pretty good story and acting, which is
the important thing to me. I WAS disappointed in the lack of apes in it when
I was a kid, since I was one of the few people who saw it during the
original run (I guess it was pre-empted except on the West Coast, so now it
is advertised as an "unaired episode"). My least favorites are "Tomorrow's
Tide" and "Up Above the World So High", attempts to open it up with gimmicks
(the astronauts fish; the astronauts hang glide) instead of good
scripts. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 9:30 PM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Favorite Television Episodes


> I like all of them, too. If I had to pick one I didn't like it would
> probably be The Liberator, and that is only because the ape roles are
> at bare minimum. Storywise I really liked it as well.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
> >
> > Me neither. I got the DVD Box Set a few years back and I never did
> watch
> > them past a cursory glance to make sure the DVDs were OK. Off the
> top of
> > my head though I'd have to say 'The Trap', 'The Legacy', 'The
> Surgeon',
> > 'The Interrogation', 'The Tyrant', and 'The Cure'. Of course I've
> just
> > listed almost half the series, but in all honesty there really
> isn't one
> > that I don't like.
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tim "apefan"" apefan23@... wrote:
> >
> > >>I haven't watched them in so long I need to see them
> > again before I vote on a favorite... <<
> >
> >
> > drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am wondering what the fan favorite episodes of the television
> series
> > are. I've read very little on the matter, and I am curious. Mine
> are-
> >
> > 1. The Deception
> > 2. The Legacy
> > 3. The Good Seeds (I know most fans loathe this one, but I think
> its a
> > hoot) <<
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
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>
>
>
>
>

Apemania has a picture of a scale sized ship. It doens't state if it
is the origianl ship or a model they made though

In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/22/06 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > psiworld@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the
> Planet of
> > > the Apes movies has gone missing.
> > >
> > > I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it

was

> in
> > > storage on the lot at Fox studios. There are rumors it was

then

> moved
> > > to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state
> park.
> > > Since then it's final disposition is a mystery.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA
> spaceship
> > > mockup?
> > >
> > >
> > No one knows. I suspect it rusted out and was sold for scrap

back

> in the
> > late seventies.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> I thought I read somewhere that it was mostly a plyboard
> construct...Maybe it rotted out and was dumped as trash...
>

No, it wasn't built out of plywood. That's one of Bill's biggest pet
peeves. It was described that way in POTA magazine and everyone has said it
from then on. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...>
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:51 AM
Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Where is the POTA spaceship now?


> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/22/06 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > psiworld@... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the
> Planet of
> > > the Apes movies has gone missing.
> > >
> > > I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was
> in
> > > storage on the lot at Fox studios. There are rumors it was then
> moved
> > > to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state
> park.
> > > Since then it's final disposition is a mystery.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA
> spaceship
> > > mockup?
> > >
> > >
> > No one knows. I suspect it rusted out and was sold for scrap back
> in the
> > late seventies.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> I thought I read somewhere that it was mostly a plyboard
> construct...Maybe it rotted out and was dumped as trash...
>
>
>
>
>
> Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One
Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much
more...
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:26 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Where is the POTA spaceship now?

In a message dated 4/22/06 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, psiworld@... writes:

Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the Planet of
the Apes movies has gone missing. 

I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was in
storage on the lot at Fox studios.  There are rumors it was then moved
to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state park. 
Since then it's final disposition is a mystery. 

Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA spaceship
mockup?

No one knows.  I suspect it rusted out and was sold for scrap back in the late seventies.

-- Rory

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This is the last I read about the spaceship...

 

http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ApesShip/Personal/PofAaccounts.html/font>

 

Bruce

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In a message dated 4/22/2006 10:16:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, psiworld@... writes:

Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA spaceship
mockup?

 

If anyone knows it'd be Brian.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 4/22/2006 11:45:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

Apemania has a picture of a scale sized ship. It doens't state if it
is the origianl ship or a model they made though

 

I remember a picture of it being hauled down the street

on a flatbed truck. Not sue how recent it was though.

 

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In a message dated 4/22/2006 11:56:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Paula Crist stole a window.  - - - Jeff

Maybe that's why someone said she was a kook.

Or was it that she could only get aroused when

they were in the makeup?  That wacky dame.

 

 

 

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I knew I read it somewhere!...=) So, what was it, aluminum?...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, it wasn't built out of plywood. That's one of Bill's biggest pet
> peeves. It was described that way in POTA magazine and everyone has
said it
> from then on. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:51 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Where is the POTA spaceship now?
> >
> > I thought I read somewhere that it was mostly a plyboard
> > construct...Maybe it rotted out and was dumped as trash...
> >

From my experiences with her during the time she was doing the Kazintie
(sp) at cons, I have to agree...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/22/2006 11:56:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> Paula Crist stole a window. - - - Jeff
>
>
> Maybe that's why someone said she was a kook.
> Or was it that she could only get aroused when
> they were in the makeup? That wacky dame.
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/22/06 11:52:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HotScheetz@... writes:

I thought I read somewhere that it was mostly a plyboard
construct...Maybe it rotted out and was dumped as trash...

The interior was wood framework, but the skin was steel and aluminum.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/22/06 2:55:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 4/22/2006 11:56:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Paula Crist stole a window.  - - - Jeff

Maybe that's why someone said she was a kook.
Or was it that she could only get aroused when
they were in the makeup?  That wacky dame.


I think Paula Crist, who can be seen in BATTLE, also stole other stuff from Bill Blake.  Someone stole Cornelius' map from Blake, Veetus told me once!

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In a message dated 4/22/2006 2:25:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

The interior was wood framework, but the skin was steel and aluminum.

 

Nope.  Steel on Steel.

Check out that article

on the other group.

 

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"Stuart Drucker" sdrucker@... wrote:

>>The only visible consequences of living in the radioactive city as of

the time of Battle were light
sensitivity and "madness"

Unless those nifty skullcaps and headgear were covering up something we
don't know about beyond hair loss, <<


Their skin was also scarred to varying degrees.


Chris L.

While scrolling through the last couple Digests, I've noticed an awful
lot of superfluous stuff at the end of some posts, so I'm sure James
won't mind if I remind everyone to please clean up the bottom of your
posts when replying. Including relevant quotes from previous posts is one
thing, but to have the full message text from the previous three posts
when almost none of it has anything to do with what you're writing (not
to mention all the e-mail tags from the old posts) isn't really
necessary. Including only the relevant material not
only makes reading the Digest much more enjoyable, but it also takes up
far less of the storage space that Yahoo allots.


Thanks,

Chris L.

>>This may have been mentioned already, but some of the restored footage

in Battle is in the wrong place.When Virgil shoots the camera, that
should be before they find the tape, the whole point being that,
because of Virgil, they now have to really hurry to find it.MacDonald
says, after the camera is shot, we still have time to go to 'work' and
reaches for another tape.Nopt really sure why this is in the wrong
spot, unless there's a technical reason I'm too thick to understand! <<


OK, I did a little research and came up with something I hadn't noticed
before. I watched both the Japanese LD version and the Fox Movie Channel
broadcast, and in both version Virgil shoots the camera shortly after the
scene where he's talking about different futures ("It's a blind choice,
but you can change lanes"). He shoots the camera, apologizes, and then
MacDonald says that they "...we still have time to go to work" (or
something like that) and walks over to a stack of film canisters. It cuts
to a scene of the mutant guards approaching, then back to a scene of the
trio attempting to leave the City.

However...

A few minutes back into the film after the trio has gotten into the
archives section at the scene where MacDonald says "Now we'll find the
film we're looking for under the heading of...", it appears to be a
continuation of what he was saying after "...we still have time to go to
work". In fact, he's standing at the same exact stack of film canisters.
So my guess here is that when the extra footage was being included in the
original TV broadcast version, it was simply edited in at the wrong point
in the film. What's also noticeable is Kolp's lack of interest when Alma
reports that the camera was destroyed, almost if at that point in the
story he wasn't aware of the trio of visitors. Mendez is also
conspicuously absent.

So if I'm understanding you correctly John and you're saying that the
scene where Virgil shoots the camera is now *before* the view the tape,
that actually seems like someone made a point of correcting the sequences
of scenes. I just ordered the Legacy Box Set, so once I get it I'll watch
that part of the movie in both versions and see what's what.

Did anyone else check this out at all?


Chris L.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 4/22/2006 11:56:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> Paula Crist stole a window-- Maybe we should look into it! The

interior of the ship, that was used for the missing interior crash
footage on Escape, is the same interior they used for the TV
Series.Which has made me wonder if the only reason for poor old Jonesy
(a pretty redundant character plot-wise)was to fill the spare seat!
There's not a lot of reason for him to be there otherwise.Is the Escape
ship(and TV Series ship) the 'top'half of Taylor's ship--it looks like
the ship that the crew jump out of in Planet, with it's underwater base
now closed with an odd seal over the back? Which would account for how
Milo, Cornelius, Zira, Vidon, Burke and Jonesy RIP al travelled through
time and space in a ship with no apparent engine! John, Scrolls.

>

In Dehn's original version of the script for Beneath, the humans have
mutated a LOT more, physically and mentally.They have dwarves and eagle
headed giants.The Mutants really DO justify Mendez I's assertion that
the Bomb makes them what they are, because they've evolved so
much.Also, in earlier scripts of Battle,and in Marvel's comic(although
the comic seemed to abandon this bit later!), Caesar himself is ill
with radiation poisining after visiting the City, losing his hair and
growing thin.It's a pity Battle ultimately chickened out of doing a
real Bomb story, because, in some ways, thast's the real story of the
Planet of the Apes.Thus endeth the litany! John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 4/23/2006 1:57:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

Including relevant quotes from previous posts is one
thing, but

 

I only try to include enough quotes to make the reply understood.

Even if the reply has been delivered to some of the members

down-under before they get the post.  Then, at least when

the post shows up, it will be patently clear what's being

addressed.  If I have two pet peeves, they are posting

something without a reference -- like were supposed

to know it's 27 posts ago, and replying with a half

a dozen previous post quoted after the reply.

The former assumes the reader remembers

to what you're referring, and the latter

assumes you reader is a moron who

needs the entire thread in order to

follow your conversation.

 

 

 

 

 

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I´ve heard about some apparitions in SWAT and THE ILLUSTRATED MAN.

But I know the truth, the ship is over my computer.




http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/icarus01.jpg

.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/23/06 2:56:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

So if I'm understanding you correctly John and you're saying that the
scene where Virgil shoots the camera is now *before* the view the tape,
that actually seems like someone made a point of correcting the sequences
of scenes. I just ordered the Legacy Box Set, so once I get it I'll watch
that part of the movie in both versions and see what's what.

Did anyone else check this out at all?


Chris L.

This kind of thing actually interests me a lot, and I'd like to check it out with the copy of the LD version I have on DVD-R and then look at the new Legacy boxed set version and all that, but damn... it's only BATTLE after all.  Still... Fox should get these things right.

My guess would be that they now have the shot in the right place.  I can't imagine that after all the work they went through with the transfer and improved sound that they'd make such a mistake.

I think we need James to thoroughly check this out.  If things are as James wants to believe -- that Fox didn't decide to put out the extended version until they saw the on-line petition here or whatever -- then this new transfer was a rush job, and if Fox screwed it up, then James needs to get on it.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/23/06 6:40:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, john@... writes:

It's a pity Battle ultimately chickened out of doing a
real Bomb story, because, in some ways, thast's the real story of the
Planet of the Apes.Thus endeth the litany! John, Scrolls.

I disagree completely.  In PLANET the issue of nuclear Armageddon was merely subtext, something held over from the early Rod Serling script adaptations.  Boulle never touched on the bomb in the book.  The Bomb was Serling's obsession.

Still, BENEATH and BATTLE, though its scenes were cut, were Bomb obsessed.  ESCAPE and CONQUEST less so.

So you have two out of three.  The TV show wasn't very Bomb obsessed, but ironically the cartoon show seemed more so.

But, I wouldn't ever say that PLANET OF THE APES was really all about the Bomb.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/23/06 9:35:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time, joseramonruizdiez@... writes:

I´ve heard about some apparitions in SWAT and THE ILLUSTRATED MAN.

Yes, the Icarus POTA ship is very much in the 1969 movie THE ILLUSTRATED MAN.  It's painted all white in that movie.

I've never heard anything about the "S.W.A.T." TV show though.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Tell us more about your ship, it is awesome. Did you make it? How big
is it? what is it made out of?
John

In pota@yahoogroups.com, jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:

>
>
> I´ve heard about some apparitions in SWAT and THE ILLUSTRATED MAN.
>
> But I know the truth, the ship is over my computer.
>
>
>
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/icarus01.jpg
>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
ViewItem&item=6053441645&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

Hey all, here is a Sideshow Mutant Jailer on Ebay in case you missed
out on getting one.
John

Here is the fixed link.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@...>
wrote:

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=`53441645&rd==1&sspagename==STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd==1
>
> Hey all, here is a Sideshow Mutant Jailer on Ebay in case you missed
> out on getting one.
> John
>

A little late but this week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks again to all who contributed.

To view the Lesson just click the link on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm

 

That blows, man - Hollywood's so damn shortsighted. Why is foresight practically non-
existent in Tinseltown?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 4/22/06 11:16:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > psiworld@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > Was just reading the original full sized spaceship from the
> Planet of
> > > the Apes movies has gone missing.
> > >
> > > I've seen photos at various websites from the 1970's when it was
> in
> > > storage on the lot at Fox studios. There are rumors it was then
> moved
> > > to the Fox Ranch shortly before it became Malibu Creek state
> park.
> > > Since then it's final disposition is a mystery.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the current location of the full sized POTA
> spaceship
> > > mockup?
> > >
> > >
> > No one knows. I suspect it rusted out and was sold for scrap back
> in the
> > late seventies.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> I thought I read somewhere that it was mostly a plyboard
> construct...Maybe it rotted out and was dumped as trash...
>

I don't know if this issue's already been addressed somewhere, but if it has, I've missed it,
which is why I'm asking now: how come (as far as I know) there've never been any depictions
of orangutan or gorilla females in the entire POTA franchise (excluding the comic books)?

Ape shall ne'er kill ape,
D.

In the original version, Virgil shoots the camera after they find the
tape and after he explains his theory of time. The same is true of all
version of the Extended Battle that I've seen so far (Hunter's Japanese
LD version, the FOX Movie Channel version, etc.).
However, I see your point. The sequence looks like it may have been
originally shot to go before they find the tape. One explaination could
be that the Extended version was based on the original version of
Battle and the scene was just extended where it was rather than putting
back in correct sequence.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> This may have been mentioned already, but some of the restored
footage
> in Battle is in the wrong place.When Virgil shoots the camera, that
> should be before they find the tape, the whole point being that,
> because of Virgil, they now have to really hurry to find it.MacDonald
> says, after the camera is shot, we still have time to go to 'work'
and
> reaches for another tape.Nopt really sure why this is in the wrong
> spot, unless there's a technical reason I'm too thick to understand!
> John, Scrolls.
>

Actually what I believe is that none of us works for FOX so none of us can definitively say exactly what happened.

What we do know is this:

• FOX announced the new DVDs around November/December of last year.
• No mention of the Extended version of Battle being included was made at that time. 
• Over the holidays we started the online petition and contacted FOX.
• In early February FOX responded that the Extended edition would be released as part of the new DVD sets.
• At the same time FOX began promoting the inclusion of the Extended version.
• Whether FOX had always intended to release the Extended version of BATTLE and the petition just was a happy coincidence or if the petition presuaded them to release it is an unknown.

As I've said many times, the simple fact that FOX acknowledged the will of the fans and responded is a victory in itself, something that all fans should celebrate and not try to belittle.

However, I do find it odd that the Region 2 versions of the new DVD sets include the original version of Battle and that the chapter card in the Battle DVD list the old chapters, not the new chapters for the Extended version.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I think we need James to thoroughly check this out. If things are as James
> wants to believe -- that Fox didn't decide to put out the extended version
> until they saw the on-line petition here or whatever -- then this new transfer was
> a rush job, and if Fox screwed it up, then James needs to get on it.
>
> -- Rory
>

"Tim "apefan"" apefan23@...

>>I have a bigger jpg of this if any one wants it...... <<

I don't see anything there Tim. Can you post it to the files section?


Chris L.

"shanter2002" john@...

>>My query is whether the captured Mutants would have

left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go back to their hell
hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have played in Ape City's
future. <<

Wasn't that concept part of one of 'The Forbidden Zone' mini series from
Adventure comics? They all lived together in a city called Primacy (or
something similar)?


Chris L.

"hotscheetz" HotScheetz@... wrote:

>>If memory serves me correctly, the novel called it "the Dynasty of

Mendez"... <<


Was it the novel or one of the early versions of the BENEATH screenplay?


Chris L.

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>>This is the last I read about the  spaceship...

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"luke_the_drifter52" JLKINSER1970@... wrote:

>>Apemania has a picture of a scale sized ship. It doens't state if it

is the origianl ship or a model they made though <<

Anyone here know any of the folks at Apemania? I've written to them a
couple of times about different things but never got a response. This
would definitely be worth finding out.


Chris L.

"shanter2002" john@... wrote:

>>It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a true pacifist, was

the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate destruction, when,
had he and Caesar actually met, there might have been a real chance for
peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. <<


Knowing Paul Dehn's point of view on things of that nature, I'm sure that
was intentional. There's really a concept of how, over time, the best of
intentions get turned into something very different. What Mendez intended
for the bomb "It must never be exploded. It must be respected. Even
venerated" ultimately turns into something completely different A "Holy
Weapon of peace" if you subscribe to the circular theory, but even if you
don't, you have to remember that the bomb is still out there post BATTLE.
What becomes of it has yet to be told.


Chris L.

There was one episode where he made a call from his car phone (while
standing outside the car) so the cord is noticeably visible. I remember
thinking (when watching it back in 1996) how outdated a phone cord was,
but back when the series was being filmed having a phone in your car was
probably state of the art stuff.


Chris L.


"Tim "apefan"" apefan23@... wrote:

>>Hey Chris...DEAL!

Altho the phone reference is a bit foggy...It's been a
LOOOONG time since I've seen the show......I mostly
remember the car and the Magic castle...... <<


Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>> If you ever buy one, I'll personally make up a soundtrack from the

series
for you so you can cruise around and solve crimes. The car phone (with
the cord attached) is optional though...

Chris L. (who's wondering if Tim is even going to
get that reference) <<

"Haristas@..." Haristas@... wrote:

>>Here's another PLANET DVD cover I've just made. I've posted the front

cover
before, but now I've made it part of an entire DVD cover. The whole
thing is
based on the 1968 Project 3 LP cover, so it's a mixture of 1968 and 2006.

Let me hear your criticisms. <<


I like it Rory. Any thoughts of doing one based on the BENEATH LP cover?


Chris L.

TC shows and movies have gotten very dated very
quickly...if people aren't using cell phones then it
seems like forever ago....!

--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> There was one episode where he made a call from his
> car phone (while
> standing outside the car) so the cord is noticeably
> visible. I remember
> thinking (when watching it back in 1996) how
> outdated a phone cord was,
> but back when the series was being filmed having a
> phone in your car was
> probably state of the art stuff.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
> "Tim "apefan"" apefan23@... wrote:
>
> >>Hey Chris...DEAL!
> Altho the phone reference is a bit foggy...It's been
> a
> LOOOONG time since I've seen the show......I mostly
> remember the car and the Magic castle...... <<
>
>
> Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> >> If you ever buy one, I'll personally make up a
> soundtrack from the
> series
> for you so you can cruise around and solve crimes.
> The car phone (with
> the cord attached) is optional though...
>
> Chris L. (who's wondering if Tim is even going to
> get that reference) <<
>

sold for $2,800!!!!!!!!!!!!
anybody know the winner "chignon"?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6051355402&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

I consider myself a huge Ape collector but I would never pay that much
for the Ape Treehouse; gift set or not. If I am going to lay down that
kind of money it would have to be for an origianl prop or something
like that


In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> sold for $2,800!!!!!!!!!!!!
> anybody know the winner "chignon"?
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

ViewItem&item=6051355402&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

>
>
>

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>>The interior of the ship, that was used for the missing interior

crash
footage on Escape, is the same interior they used for the TV
Series.Which has made me wonder if the only reason for poor old Jonesy
(a pretty redundant character plot-wise)was to fill the spare seat!
There's not a lot of reason for him to be there otherwise.Is the Escape
ship(and TV Series ship) the 'top'half of Taylor's ship--it looks like
the ship that the crew jump out of in Planet, with it's underwater base
now closed with an odd seal over the back? Which would account for how
Milo, Cornelius, Zira, Vidon, Burke and Jonesy RIP al travelled through
time and space in a ship with no apparent engine! << <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 4/23/06 5:29:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In the original version, Virgil shoots the camera after they find the
tape and after he explains his theory of time. The same is true of all
version of the Extended Battle that I've seen so far (Hunter's Japanese
LD version, the FOX Movie Channel version, etc.).
However, I see your point. The sequence looks like it may have been
originally shot to go before they find the tape. One explaination could
be that the Extended version was based on the original version of
Battle and the scene was just extended where it was rather than putting
back in correct sequence. 

Is the scene in question in the screenplay?  And, if so, where?

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Can you imagine what it was like to see PLANET in those first few days, on a huge Cinerama screen with an audience of over 5000 people?!  Must have been something.

Think about that the next time you're watching PLANET on DVD.

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"The Forbidden Zone" mini series was about one of Mendez' descendants actually rebelling against his people's Bomb-worship cult and leaves NYC's ruins, going through the wasteland surrounding it and was eventually found by some of Primacy's citizens.  Primacy was a community where apes and humans lived together in peace, even though that peace was strained at times.  (I'm quoting from the Planet of The Apes Chronicles book by Paul Wood.)  However, I found something surprising in the mini series:  Apparently, Kolp had descendants too because there was a "Lord Kolp" shown several times in it!!   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 04/23/06 16:47:25 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants   "shanter2002" john@...   >>My query is whether the captured Mutants would have left a well fed, newly freed race of humans, to go back to their hell hole home.I doubt it--so what part would they have played in Ape City's future. <<   Wasn't that concept part of one of 'The Forbidden Zone' mini series from Adventure comics? They all lived together in a city called Primacy (or something similar)?     Chris L.     Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more... Yahoo! Groups Links   <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/   <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com   <*>

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Yes, the Bomb was shown in the "Forbidden Zone" mini series from the 1990's Apes Adventure Comics.   Zach    -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 04/23/06 16:47:56 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants   "shanter2002" john@... wrote:   >>It's also poignant to think that Mendez, a true pacifist, was the catalyst for preserving the means of ultimate destruction, when, had he and Caesar actually met, there might have been a real chance for peace with Aldo and Kolp dead. <<     Knowing Paul Dehn's point of view on things of that nature, I'm sure that was intentional. There's really a concept of how, over time, the best of intentions get turned into something very different. What Mendez intended for the bomb "It must never be exploded. It must be respected. Even venerated" ultimately turns into something completely different A "Holy Weapon of peace" if you subscribe to the circular theory, but even if you don't, you have to remember that the bomb is still out there post BATTLE. What becomes of it has yet to be told.     Chris L.     Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more... Yahoo! Groups Links   <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/   <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:     pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com   <*>

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Hey all
I found the pic that I got off of the Apemania web page some time ago.
It is in the photo section in a folder called simply Apes Ship. Could
this be our lost Space Ship or a very big model made by Apemania. If
it is a model, I want one for my back yard!!!!
John

For some reason the pic ended up in Chris Tatto folder. Sorry
John

In pota@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@...>
wrote:

>
> Hey all
> I found the pic that I got off of the Apemania web page some time

ago.

> It is in the photo section in a folder called simply Apes Ship.

Could

> this be our lost Space Ship or a very big model made by Apemania. If
> it is a model, I want one for my back yard!!!!
> John
>

The theories have gone round and round about this subject...
Obviously, three chairs are needed for Cornelius, Zira and Milo in
ESCAPE...But, the original interior already had four chairs, so,
IMHO, we must assume the PLANET interior was
destroyed/dismantled/lost...
Saving $$, they re-used the ESCAPE interior in PLANET TV...Having
three chairs, but only two human regulars, IMHO, they took the short
way out and killed Jonesy...
When the writer(s) have three men, strapped into three identical
crash-seats, receiving no physical trauma, and only have two survive,
is unimaginative writing...They should have had Jonsey killed by the
gorillas in the first act, or something, IMHO...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> The first question to ask is why the interior of the ship was
redesigned
> in the first place. They obviously knew what it looked liked from
the
> first film, so why it was changed to film a scene that was
ultimately
> scrapped would be a question for someone involved in the film's
> production. My guess would be Frank Capra Jr., who's fortunately is
still
> with us. As to whether or not the third seat was the reason a
throwaway
> character like Jones was thrown in, that would also be a question
for the
> producers. Unfortunately, both Herbert Hirschman and Stanley Hough
have
> long since passed away. Wasn't there an interview with Ron Harper
once in
> Scrolls? If anyone has a way to get in touch with him, it might be
worth
> asking him. The flip side of this though is the fact that Jones'
death
> does partially help set up the motivation for the two surviving
> astronauts to try and return. Virdon said something like "Poor
Jonesy- he
> had a wife and child." and Burke fired back with "And so do you!".
Maybe
> it was an attempt to work a bit of tragedy into the story/character
> motivations?
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "shanter2002" john@... wrote:
>
> >>The interior of the ship, that was used for the missing interior
crash
> footage on Escape, is the same interior they used for the TV
> Series.Which has made me wonder if the only reason for poor old
Jonesy
> (a pretty redundant character plot-wise)was to fill the spare seat!
> There's not a lot of reason for him to be there otherwise.Is the
Escape
> ship(and TV Series ship) the 'top'half of Taylor's ship--it looks
like
> the ship that the crew jump out of in Planet, with it's underwater
base
> now closed with an odd seal over the back? Which would account for
how
> Milo, Cornelius, Zira, Vidon, Burke and Jonesy RIP al travelled
through
> time and space in a ship with no apparent engine! <<
>

I agree......

--- luke_the_drifter52 <JLKINSER1970@...>
wrote:

> I consider myself a huge Ape collector but I would
> never pay that much
> for the Ape Treehouse; gift set or not. If I am
> going to lay down that
> kind of money it would have to be for an origianl
> prop or something
> like that
>
>
> In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > sold for $2,800!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > anybody know the winner "chignon"?
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?
>

ViewItem&item=6051355402&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

> >
> >
> >

Chris there is actually one already posted in the
"concert poster " folder which is VERY cool by the
way...! all posted by "reachchris"

http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/view/4a58?b=15

--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> "Tim "apefan"" apefan23@...
>
> >>I have a bigger jpg of this if any one wants
> it...... <<
>
>
> I don't see anything there Tim. Can you post it to
> the files section?
>
>
> Chris L.
>

I wrote:

>>Anyone here know any of the folks at Apemania? I've written to them a

couple of times about different things but never got a response. This
would definitely be worth finding out. <<


And two hours after I write that, I get an e-mail from Brian. Go figure.
:-D


Chris L.

Rory, I hear what you say about the Bomb being a subtext and, on
reflection, you may well be right on that.If the Bomb is a metaphor for
the self serving abuse of power, ultimately to self destruction, then I
think a case can be made for that being the foundation of cinema/tv
Apes.I accept that Boulle's coming at it from a different angle, but
the real twist, as we all know, is that Taylor is back on his planet
and the climax to the movie has him damning Mankind for using atomic
weapons.In terms of cinema, you could argue that the Bomb, therefore,
is what it's all about.John, Scrolls.

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It was Mendez XXVI.  Mendez the 26th.   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 04/20/06 18:34:37 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Planet of the Apes] Re: Captured Mutants   You're opening a can of worms here...=)   This is one of those debatible questions...The simplest answer is that the mutants in BATTLE become the Mutants in BENEATH...There is a surviving Mendez in BATTLE, and a Mendez XXV (or some Roman numeral) in BENEATH...   G   --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote: > > What would have happened to the Mutants Caesar refuses to kill at the > end of Battle? Did they stay and 'grow out' of their mutation? Did they > go home to the city? There don't appear to be any muties in the > Lawgiver's closing scene.And yes, I've been watching Battle this week! > John, Scrolls. >             Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original pota One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more... Yahoo! Groups Links   <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/   <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:      pota-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com   <*>

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Steel on Steel...Check it out . . .

 

Icarus

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In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:48:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, lawford42@... writes:

And two hours after I write that, I get an e-mail from Brian. Go figure.
:-D

 

And?   What did he say?

 

 

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I would think, the reason know one knows where the
space ship is, it's just a prop a piece of equipment
that had fulfilled it's duties. It was used in the
film, it was recycled for another film then a TV
series, then as a backdrop for other shows and then
put back in the junk pile. We have put a value on it
because of our love the films. I would also think to
Fox it was just taking up space, rotting away and
costing them money for storage or whatever. No one
thought of saving it, or taking care of it. Where is
the value of that? How many films do the studios do
each year? You can't save every thing. Too bad.

I seem to remember seeing a photo of a place (maybe a
restaurant in CA) having the wagon that carried the
humans in it on display.

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/24/2006 12:48:45 A.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> lawford42@... writes:
>
>
> And two hours after I write that, I get an e-mail
> from Brian. Go figure.
> :-D
>
>
>
>
> And? What did he say?
>
>
>

Starlog (May 2006) features a well done 5 page
interview with Ron Harper with lots of pics and
explanations on why the show didn't last and what
happened to the computer disc!!

Also the British mag Total Film has a 3 page spread
praising the first film and a review about the
"Ultimate".

Tim

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In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, leroymcconnell@... writes:

You can't save every thing.  Too bad.

It's too bad it's so big.  That's probably

it's down fall.  Otherwise it might have

been restored and put on display in a

Planet Hollywood or the Sci-fi museum.

 

 

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You'd think that since it lasted through all those
films and the series somebody would have said "this
might be worth keeping. I'll take it hime and fix it
up and put it on display somewhere...." Where was
Debbie Reynolds dammit???

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 4/24/2006 2:48:33 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> leroymcconnell@... writes:
>
> You can't save every thing. Too bad.
>
>
> It's too bad it's so big. That's probably
> it's down fall. Otherwise it might have
> been restored and put on display in a
> Planet Hollywood or the Sci-fi museum.
>
>
>

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4938620.stm

 this must be the article about the chimps who escaped from a sanctuary in Sierra Leone and attacked some tourists. Elaine

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Found a few more ape photos. You can see them here.

http://www.mcconnell-simmons.com/potap.html"

Enjoy

Eric

>
>

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In a message dated 4/24/2006 5:41:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

I'll take it hime and fix it up and put it on display somewhere..

 

You'd have to have a big yard.

and an even bigger truck.  And

you'd have to get Fox to give it

up.  They way they license, they

probably would have a 30 page

contract to display the pile of

rust that they let it turn in to.

 

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Thanks Eric! I like the one of Kim and Sal hangin with
Arthur in their spacesuits.....

--- Eric McConnell <leroymcconnell@...> wrote:

> Found a few more ape photos. You can see them here.
>
> http://www.mcconnell-simmons.com/potap.html"
>
> Enjoy
>
> Eric
>
> >
> > >

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