Not really. There aren't enough Apes and some of the locales are
strange. If you can find it for less than $10 that's about all it is
worth.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rhob1960" <Mithril1960@...> wrote:
>
> Is this worth getting? I saw screens from it and such, but never got
> around to grabbing it. Has anyone played it?
>

About six months ago they had a ton of them at the 99 cents store.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Not really. There aren't enough Apes and some of the locales are
> strange. If you can find it for less than $10 that's about all it is
> worth.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rhob1960" <Mithril1960@> wrote:
> >
> > Is this worth getting? I saw screens from it and such, but never
got
> > around to grabbing it. Has anyone played it?
> >
>

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rhob1960" <Mithril1960@> wrote:

>I was wondering, how come there
> > was never a model kit of this ship?

There have been several kits released of the starship although none of
obtained as high a profile as a company like Aurora would have
managed. What has been available over the years can all fit into the
description of 'Garage kits' - limited run and cast in resin.

Three are still available if you look hard enough: A large kit from
Monsters In Motion (Rory has this) A smaller version from Skyhook
(Rory has this too and this one is my favourite) and another version
from Wilco. The first two feature the ship sinking in the water, while
the third most resembles Virdon's ship.

As to why a plastic styrene version was never mass produced perhaps it
was because no one knew what the entire ship looked like? In the
60's/70's sci-fi and fantasy kits were very much the exception rather
than the rule.

Dave

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In a message dated 8/8/2006 5:10:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

Has anyone played it?

 

I played both the PC and PS2

and I can't even get out of the Lab.

 

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In a message dated 8/8/2006 5:10:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

I have a small very hard plastic model of one of the Icarus, it looks
like the one from the TV show and Escape (was that the same one? What
ever happened to that cool prop?)

 

I hate to break it to him.

Somebody else do it.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> When it comes to the TV series there is a real cultural divide. In the
> UK it was a very big hit so people there see it as a big part of the
> POTA universe. In the US it was a flop so the movies are given
> precedent.

I'm not sure it was just a cultural thing, it was also a chronological
one. In the UK the TV show was, for many, their first encounter with
APES, I remember many of my school friends were not even aware there
were movies! In the UK I don't think any of the movies had been
broadcast on TV before the series was shown.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

> I hate to break it to him.
> Somebody else do it.

(Deep breath) It was last seen rotting away on the Fox backlot (dabs
corner of eye with hankerchief)

Dave

My Mistake: The Monsters IN Motion version isn't shown sinking - this
too can easily be converted to resemble Virdon's ship.

Dave

' It don't get much, does it? '--I don't get much sex, but it doesn't
mean I don't deserve it.John, Scrolls.

____________

Have you ever thought about creating a blog site just for apers?
It would make it easier for us to simply access and do than go
here and there and file it...
I mean, I have a great blogsite, but they don't catre to just
this and I have been a number One site since June...
We need something similar to fanfic only where we can add our
thoughts to besides searching out and being disappointed in what we
find...
A place where we can recieve comments and not wait...
A 'Blogsite...
A place where we stand alone yet united. Where a comment is only
viewed by whoever wants to delve deeper into that persons warp
factor...
360's are great but hard to ground...
'Blogs ARE a 360 (full circle)...
Not everyone wants to "bog" our pc's with instant messages and
all that rot...
I recieve enough crap without IM...
If it can happen, let it be so...
It could be great....


Sincerely,
Thades Darling Human
:]

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Thought I'd share this....won a Pressbook on ebay for
a double feature of BATTLE with some crazy giant fish
story!

Tim

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 1:40:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

In the
60's/70's sci-fi and fantasy kits were very much the exception rather
than the rule.

Unless you count Aurora, who did some of the best kits ever. I have a great book that has pictures of every kit they ever did. I wish I still had my old Planet of the Apes kits. I had Cesar, Cornelius, Ursus, Ape Soldier and Zira. They were all very well done and I did a great job of painting them. The only one I didn't get was the Gorilla on Horseback. It took me a good while to paint Ursus!

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/8/2006 8:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

As to why there was never a model is unknown. Where did you get yours?

A friend of mine, Doug, gave it to me years ago. It's about six inches long. I'll have to find it (I hope it's still among my stuff!) and put some pictures on the site.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 1:55:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

> I hate to break it to him.
> Somebody else do it.

(Deep breath) It was last seen rotting away on the Fox backlot (dabs
corner of eye with hankerchief)

How horrible!

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 1:41:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Thought I'd share this....won a Pressbook on ebay for
a double feature of BATTLE with some crazy giant fish
story!

Ah, the Neptune Factor! I saw this on a double bill with a re-re-re-released Tales from the Crypt. Started out very scientific and got dumber the further down the divers went. I think Ernest Borgnine and Ben Gazzara were in it.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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> I wish I still had my old
> Planet of the Apes kits.

While they wouldn't be yours, they show up on eBay fairly regularly,
both the original Addar kits and the fairly-recent Aurora reissues.

Hunter

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 2:20:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

(Deep breath) It was last seen rotting away on the Fox backlot (dabs
corner of eye with hankerchief)

How horrible!

 

I heard a rumor it was on the roof of some failed restaurant in Utah.

 

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 3:45:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

> I wish I still had my old
> Planet of the Apes kits.

While they wouldn't be yours, they show up on eBay fairly regularly,
both the original Addar kits and the fairly-recent Aurora reissues.

Hunter

I still have several of them built & painted (minus the bases). I even have Caesar, Aldo and the aforementioned gorilla on horseback unbuilt as well as the "Apes in a Bottle" scenes. When I'm short on cash I often get the urge to sell the 'horseback' model it goes for over 100 dollars on eBay but I just couldn't...

Bruce 

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Does anyone have pics of all three for comparison? I
just won one this (first pic) on ebay...it's about 6"
long (from what I was told...it hasnt gotten here
yet....the sceond one is another I saw but it was much
more money thatn the five bucks I paid.....Is that one
of the ones you mentioned Dave?

Tim
--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> My Mistake: The Monsters IN Motion version isn't
> shown sinking - this
> too can easily be converted to resemble Virdon's
> ship.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>

Does anyone have pics of all three for comparison? I
just won one this (first pic) on ebay...it's about 6"
long (from what I was told...it hasnt gotten here
yet....the sceond one is another I saw but it was much
more money thatn the five bucks I paid.....Is that one
of the ones you mentioned Dave?

Tim
--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> My Mistake: The Monsters IN Motion version isn't
> shown sinking - this
> too can easily be converted to resemble Virdon's
> ship.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 7:33:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Does anyone have pics of all three for comparison? I
just won one this (first pic) on ebay...it's about 6"
long (from what I was told...it hasnt gotten here
yet....

The first one looks like the one I have, only the one I have is painted. The bottom of the ship is smooth and round. It feels like a resin cast now that I think about it.

I really loved that ship and all my notebooks through Junior High were decorated with laboriously scrawled drawing of it and the USS Enterprise (NCC-1701). I even did a few drawings with a NASA style gantry and the second stage I'd imagined they'd use to push it into space. I think my story telling how Milo launched Taylors ship is still over at the Fan Fiction site along with my ending for the TV show (grim) and an original story that takes place before Taylor lands. All original characters in that. They'd make decent comics.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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This site
(http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ApesShip/PofA01.htmlhas a
good account of the ship as well as some recent pictures of it. Be
prepared to be shocked.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/9/2006 1:55:01 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> smugster2000@... writes:
>
> > I hate to break it to him.
> > Somebody else do it.
>
> (Deep breath) It was last seen rotting away on the Fox backlot
(dabs
> corner of eye with hankerchief)
>
>
>
> How horrible!
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear
their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

I miss the old double features that studios would run during slow
periods. They would usually pair a newer film at the end of its run
with an older film. I remember going to see Escape in January or
Febuary of '72 when was the second feature of some film I can't
remember. In August of that year Conquest made a second round at the
local theaters with 'The Hot Rock' as the second feature.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/9/2006 1:41:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Thought I'd share this....won a Pressbook on ebay for
> a double feature of BATTLE with some crazy giant fish
> story!
>
>
>
> Ah, the Neptune Factor! I saw this on a double bill with a re-re-
re-released
> Tales from the Crypt. Started out very scientific and got dumber
the further
> down the divers went. I think Ernest Borgnine and Ben Gazzara
were in it.
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear
their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

Hi Gang,

I am pretty new here and was wondering if it is OK to post an ebay
auction (POTA related) here.

Also wanted to say I NEWER realized that there were so many out there
that are so into POTA. I LOVE the MEGO stuff. I have very fond
memories of all my ape toys as a kid.

Thanks,
Bob

BTW - "Why are all APES created equal?" ;-)

This site (http://home.att.net/~g.ruboyianes/apes.html has pics of
several different models.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have pics of all three for comparison? I
> just won one this (first pic) on ebay...it's about 6"
> long (from what I was told...it hasnt gotten here
> yet....the sceond one is another I saw but it was much
> more money thatn the five bucks I paid.....Is that one
> of the ones you mentioned Dave?
>
> Tim
> --- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> > My Mistake: The Monsters IN Motion version isn't
> > shown sinking - this
> > too can easily be converted to resemble Virdon's
> > ship.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

Generally no. Please refer to my private email on the matter.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "spy_hunter54" <spy_hunter54@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am pretty new here and was wondering if it is OK to post an ebay
> auction (POTA related) here.
>

Please refer to the current Lesson from the Lawgiver for an answer to your question. http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "spy_hunter54" <spy_hunter54@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am pretty new here and was wondering if it is OK to post an ebay
> auction (POTA related) here.
>
> Also wanted to say I NEWER realized that there were so many out there
> that are so into POTA. I LOVE the MEGO stuff. I have very fond
> memories of all my ape toys as a kid.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
>
> BTW - "Why are all APES created equal?" ;-)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/9/2006 1:40:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> smugster2000@... writes:
>
> In the
> 60's/70's sci-fi and fantasy kits were very much the exception rather
> than the rule.
>
>
>
>
> Unless you count Aurora

Oh, I do count them! The contribution they made to the hobby was
imeasurable - but I would argue they were still an exception rather
than the rule. ADDAR, who bagged the APES licence were ex Aurora
employess.

Dave

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Icarus%20Models/Icarus2.JPG

This one looks like a grubby re-cast. That's going to need some work!
Still, if Milo can do it, I have no doubt you can :0)

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Icarus%20Models/Icarus1.jpg

That looks like the Wilco version but without anything to show the
scale it's hard to be sure.

The three versions I mentioned can be seen here (scroll towards the
bottom)

<http://www.cshobbies.com/spaceships_&_vehicles_(A-M).htm>

There ARE others out there but IMHO these three are the best examples.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
> I miss the old double features that studios would run during slow
> periods. They would usually pair a newer film at the end of its run
> with an older film.

I first saw Beneath under just those circumstances. It was paired with
'Valley of the Gwangi' A Franciscus double bill!

Dave

It really is a shame studios don't do double features anymore. It was a
great way to catch films that you missed the first time around. Or see
films that you liked again.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> I first saw Beneath under just those circumstances. It was paired with
> 'Valley of the Gwangi' A Franciscus double bill!
>
> Dave
>

Here this link should work: http://www.cshobbies.com/spaceships_&_vehicles_(A-M).htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Icarus%20Models/Icarus2.JPG
>
> This one looks like a grubby re-cast. That's going to need some work!
> Still, if Milo can do it, I have no doubt you can :0)
>
> Dave
>

The Yahoo Group site (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/) is
already very blog-like. Our message archives go back over 8 years
with almost every topic of interest to POTA fans touched on at some
point.

The Yahoo site also has advanced search features making it easy for
group members to find older posts on topics of interest.

In addition, members also have the flexibility of receiving posts
as 'Individual Emails' or in 'Daily Digest' format, options most
blogs don't offer.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "thadesdarlinghuman"
<thadesdarlinghuman@...> wrote:

>
> Have you ever thought about creating a blog site just for

apers?

> It would make it easier for us to simply access and do than go
> here and there and file it...
> I mean, I have a great blogsite, but they don't catre to just
> this and I have been a number One site since June...
> We need something similar to fanfic only where we can add our
> thoughts to besides searching out and being disappointed in what

we

> find...
> A place where we can recieve comments and not wait...
> A 'Blogsite...
> A place where we stand alone yet united. Where a comment is

only

> viewed by whoever wants to delve deeper into that persons warp
> factor...
> 360's are great but hard to ground...
> 'Blogs ARE a 360 (full circle)...
> Not everyone wants to "bog" our pc's with instant messages and
> all that rot...
> I recieve enough crap without IM...
> If it can happen, let it be so...
> It could be great....
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Thades Darling Human
> :]
>

I loved those models when I was a kid. Unfortunately I wasn't talented
enough to paint them. One thing I always wondered about is why Zaius
and Cornelius were put into Beneath backgrounds.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, I do count them! The contribution they made to the hobby was
> imeasurable - but I would argue they were still an exception rather
> than the rule. ADDAR, who bagged the APES licence were ex Aurora
> employess.
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

One thing I always wondered about is why Zaius

> and Cornelius were put into Beneath backgrounds.

From memory Zaius was posed before the Alpha-Omega controls so that
makes sense. The Cornelius base was an odd choice as was the one for
Ursus (in front of a ruined house?)

Even stranger were the suggested colour schemes!

Dave

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Yeah...I defied the suggested colors and painted them
correctly......Here's Zaius......painted him many
years agoa when I first got him!.....I'll try and take
pics of the others......Zira's face came out a bit
...uh...manly?.....Cornelius' foot broke at the ankle
and since I glued them all together instead of
snapping .....couldn't really fix it that well....

Tim

--- Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> >
> One thing I always wondered about is why Zaius
> > and Cornelius were put into Beneath backgrounds.
>
> From memory Zaius was posed before the Alpha-Omega
> controls so that
> makes sense. The Cornelius base was an odd choice as
> was the one for
> Ursus (in front of a ruined house?)
>
> Even stranger were the suggested colour schemes!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>

The May 1974 issue of The Monster Times,#33, which was a newspaper
devoted to science fiction, has a big Apes feature.In the review of
Battle, it says 'Caesar, the telepathic savior of the
anthropoids...'.Isn't it odd that, over 30 years befor MR Comics, some
people were interpreting Caesar as having a form of telepathic power?
Maybe we, as Apes fans, are missing something others take for granted?
John, Scrolls.

I read John Huston's biography years ago, only to find that Battle
isn't even mentioned.Does anyone know exactly HOW a legend like Huston
came to subject himself to the make-up process and take on this role? I
doubt is was for the money(APJAC don't seem to have been big payers,
and the budget was low anyway) and it just seems odd that he did this.A
bit like, say, Richard Donner donning the make-up today.Speaking of whom
(sneaky, huh?), Donner is, as of October, going to be co-writing
Superman in Action Comics for DC.Cool or what??!! John, Scrolls.

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:56 AM

Subject: [POTA] Re: Battle double feature

It really is a shame studios don't do double features anymore. It was a
great way to catch films that you missed the first time around. Or see
films that you liked again.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@ ...> wrote:
>
> I first saw Beneath under just those circumstances. It was paired with
> 'Valley of the Gwangi' A Franciscus double bill!
>
> Dave
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: shanter2002

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:24 AM

Subject: [POTA] John Huston

I read John Huston's biography years ago, only to find that Battle
isn't even mentioned.Does anyone know exactly HOW a legend like Huston
came to subject himself to the make-up process and take on this role? I
doubt is was for the money(APJAC don't seem to have been big payers,
and the budget was low anyway) and it just seems odd that he did this.A
bit like, say, Richard Donner donning the make-up today.Speaking of whom
(sneaky, huh?), Donner is, as of October, going to be co-writing
Superman in Action Comics for DC.Cool or what??!! John, Scrolls.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote:

>Jacobs knew everyone in Hollywood and called in a favor from

Huston,he initially wanted Rex Harrison JR

> From what I've read, Huston did movies as an actor so he'd have

extra money for gambling. Probably his most famous role from that
period is "Chinatown" (1974). - - - Jeff

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shanter2002
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:24 AM
> Subject: [POTA] John Huston
>
>
> I read John Huston's biography years ago, only to find that

Battle

> isn't even mentioned.Does anyone know exactly HOW a legend like

Huston

> came to subject himself to the make-up process and take on this

role? I

> doubt is was for the money(APJAC don't seem to have been big

payers,

> and the budget was low anyway) and it just seems odd that he did

this.A

> bit like, say, Richard Donner donning the make-up today.Speaking

of whom

> (sneaky, huh?), Donner is, as of October, going to be co-writing
> Superman in Action Comics for DC.Cool or what??!! John, Scrolls.
>

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In a message dated 8/9/2006 9:06:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I miss the old double features that studios would run during slow
periods. They would usually pair a newer film at the end of its run
with an older film. I remember going to see Escape in January or
Febuary of '72 when was the second feature of some film I can't
remember. In August of that year Conquest made a second round at the
local theaters with 'The Hot Rock' as the second feature.

I remember those days. the year after The Omega Man came out, I saw it as the lower half of a double with about eight other movies. And unlike others, I love the Omega Man. Its one of my favorite Dystopic Films.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 7:42:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

Even stranger were the suggested colour schemes!

I wasted a bunch of paint coming up with Gorilla purple. And I hated that rifle that Ursus had!

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 1:44:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, smugster2000@... writes:

Oh, I do count them! The contribution they made to the hobby was
imeasurable - but I would argue they were still an exception rather
than the rule. ADDAR, who bagged the APES licence were ex Aurora
employess.

Here's a sad story. When Aurora sold the molds to their models to a Japanese company, the train carrying them crashed and most were destroyed. That's as sad to me as say the Liberty Bell being melted down.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 8:16:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Yeah...I defied the suggested colors and painted them
correctly......Here's Zaius......painted him many
years agoa when I first got him!.....

Time to touch him up! get some Taimya and do him Movie perfect!

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 6:25:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

One thing I always wondered about is why Zaius
and Cornelius were put into Beneath backgrounds.

Well Zaius is in front of the Doomsday device controls. So it works. But Cornelius was in front of the Stock Exchange as I recall. Perhaps to remind people that Apes is a post-nuclear scenario?

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 6:06:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

It really is a shame studios don't do double features anymore. It was a
great way to catch films that you missed the first time around. Or see
films that you liked again.

The reason they don't is that the companies want the first run films to get as many showings in a day as possible.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 12:57:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, softparadeband@... writes:

From what I've read, Huston did movies as an actor so he'd have
extra money for gambling.

Maybe, he did Casino Royale as well.

Even Peter O'Toole had a cameo, since

it was the entire What's New Pussycat

gang anyway.  I'm not a fan of the new

Blonde Bond.  I hope the new Casino

Royale isn't a spoof, but like the old one.

 

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Dear Humanoid Apes,

I'm HORRORIFED to read that some of you are really disappointed about
the DVD treatment they did for PLANET and BENEATH this time! IS IT
REALLY BAD? That should have been the definitive treatment!
Tell me the truth, please.

Thanks,

T.C.

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 10:26:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, john@... writes:

Does anyone know exactly HOW a legend like Huston
came to subject himself to the make-up process and take on this role? I
doubt is was for the money

 

It's weird what Screen Legends will do and won't do.

Orson Wells didn't take the role of Ursus in Beneath,

and yet he seemed to have no problem flogging wine

in those Paul Masson commercials.  Go figure . . .

He even spoofed himself in Casino Royale.

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/9/06 9:04:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

This site
(http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ApesShip/PofA01.html")has a
good account of the ship as well as some recent pictures of it. Be
prepared to be shocked.

Why should we be prepared to be shocked?  I see nothing shocking.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/10/06 7:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apecalypsenow@... writes:

Dear Humanoid Apes,

I'm HORRORIFED to read that some of you are really disappointed about
the DVD treatment they did for PLANET and BENEATH this time! IS IT
REALLY BAD? That should have been the definitive treatment!
Tell me the truth, please.

Thanks,

T.C.

Just buy the new DVDs, you weak human!  For the most part they look great!

-- Rory<.html <.html

Dear Humanoid Apes,

I've read all the cuts they did enlisted in the DATABASE of the group.
Were they ALL restored in this new DVD release, or maybe they still
left some precious scene on the floor of the cutting room? Was the
final battle even longer?

Many thanks in advance.

T.C.

Dear Humanoid Apes,

Basically.

Can you give me the exact account of the specific "Planet" portrayed
by the 1975 CARTOON SERIES? (Possible) Timeline? Characteristics? A
DETAILED COMPARISON between the cinematic POTA scenario and RETURN
scenario?

Many thanks in advance.

T.C.

They haven't released 'em yet... here in Italy. I think they will
not do it anytime soon. POTA isn't quite popular here, today.

The "FOR THE MOST" part is quite frightening.

So what's the deal? TELL ME!

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/10/06 7:10:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> apecalypsenow@... writes:
>
>
> > Dear Humanoid Apes,
> >
> > I'm HORRORIFED to read that some of you are really disappointed
about
> > the DVD treatment they did for PLANET and BENEATH this time! IS
IT
> > REALLY BAD? That should have been the definitive treatment!
> > Tell me the truth, please.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > T.C.
> >
>
> Just buy the new DVDs, you weak human! For the most part they
look great!
>
> -- Rory
>

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In a message dated 8/10/2006 7:03:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I hope the new Casino

Royale isn't a spoof, but like the old one.

Forget that. This is old school, hard core bond. This is also his first adventure. He won't even be a double 0 when the movie starts. I saw the trailer and it looks great.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

<.html

There is another reason why you don't see double features in the
theatres. Theatres can only charge customers only once.

Kevin

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Battle double feature



Home video has replaced double bills. It's almost replaced going to
the movies at all! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: James
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: [POTA] Re: Battle double feature


It really is a shame studios don't do double features anymore. It was
a
great way to catch films that you missed the first time around. Or see
films that you liked again.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> I first saw Beneath under just those circumstances. It was paired with
> 'Valley of the Gwangi' A Franciscus double bill!
>
> Dave
>









____________

Ah, so it wasn't high artistic reasons then.'Lawgiver, who
knows...?'.'I don't know my child, but five will get you ten if it's
Caesar!'.John, Scrolls.

>
> From what I've read, Huston did movies as an actor so he'd have

extra money for gambling. Probably his most famous role from that
period is "Chinatown" (1974). - - - Jeff

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shanter2002
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:24 AM
> Subject: [POTA] John Huston
>
>
> I read John Huston's biography years ago, only to find that

Battle

> isn't even mentioned.Does anyone know exactly HOW a legend like

Huston

> came to subject himself to the make-up process and take on this

role? I

> doubt is was for the money(APJAC don't seem to have been big

payers,

> and the budget was low anyway) and it just seems odd that he did

this.A

> bit like, say, Richard Donner donning the make-up today.Speaking

of whom

> (sneaky, huh?), Donner is, as of October, going to be co-writing
> Superman in Action Comics for DC.Cool or what??!! John, Scrolls.
>

Someone out there has a virus attachment...
ALL do scans and spy checks...
This doesn't mean they meant to do it, it means that there are
some serious A-Holes out there wanting to hurt us...
Update your PC security and watch yourselves...
This crap slips past McAfee and Norton...
Microsoft Firewall prompted me...
TrendMicro was runner-up...
It's something called "Spuninster".
It's either a worm or virus.
IT WILL SCREW UP YOUR INTERNET CONNECTIONS!!!
Not hard to get rid of, though...
If your pc has been acting odd, I suggest you update ALL of your
security, do a couple virus scans and spy scans if you have spyscan
and update your securities (many microsoft updates are available. I
had seven and I had just updated!).

Well another week has gone by and it's Friday again which means there's a new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER. Thanks to Glen and everyone who contributed.

To view the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

I would have prefered them in Ape City settings like the Zira model.
Also, while I liked the tree house setting for Caesar, I would have
liked something more ala Conquest.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> From memory Zaius was posed before the Alpha-Omega controls so that
> makes sense. The Cornelius base was an odd choice as was the one for
> Ursus (in front of a ruined house?)
>
> Even stranger were the suggested colour schemes!
>
> Dave
>

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That explains why Central City is located on the current site of Las
Vegas. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> From what I've read, Huston did movies as an actor so he'd have
extra money for gambling. Probably his most famous role from that
period is "Chinatown" (1974). - - - Jeff
>

It will completely as soon as I get my 60" HD plasma screen.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Home video has replaced double bills. It's almost replaced going to
the movies at all! - - - Jeff
>

Interesting. I wonder who they'd pick if the Lawgiver role were being
cast today. Using the parameters of a legendary actor with a
distinctive voice, my choice would be Sean Connery (who starred in The
Man Who Would Be King directed by John Houston).

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...>
wrote:

> Jacobs knew everyone in Hollywood and called in a favor from
> Huston,he initially wanted Rex Harrison JR

That's part of the problem. There are no second run theaters any more.
After a film had been run through all the 'First run' theaters, the
studios would release it to the second run theaters with a second
feature. The closest theater to me when I was young was the Walker.
None of the POTA films ever ran there without a second feature. Most of
the time all the Walker ran was double features. The only time they ran
a first run film was when the Marlboro (the closest first run theater)
was booked.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
> The reason they don't is that the companies want the first run films
to get
> as many showings in a day as possible.
>
>

They are not bad. Planet is OK but the transfer of Beneath is a bit too
light.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Humanoid Apes,
>
> I'm HORRORIFED to read that some of you are really disappointed about
> the DVD treatment they did for PLANET and BENEATH this time! IS IT
> REALLY BAD? That should have been the definitive treatment!
> Tell me the truth, please.
>
> Thanks,
>
> T.C.
>

Maybe not shocking but sad that the ship was not preserved better.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Why should we be prepared to be shocked? I see nothing shocking.
>
> -- Rory
>

I believe there are two prevailing theories (and please correct me if I'm wrong):

1. The Return series is totally unrelated to either the movies or the live action TV series.
2. Caesar was successful in changing lanes in Battle and the world of Return is the result.

Personally, I tend to favor the first one.

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Humanoid Apes,
>
> Basically.
>
> Can you give me the exact account of the specific "Planet" portrayed
> by the 1975 CARTOON SERIES? (Possible) Timeline? Characteristics? A
> DETAILED COMPARISON between the cinematic POTA scenario and RETURN
> scenario?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> T.C.
>

Yes they were. There may have been additional scenes shot but they
never made it to the extended version.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Humanoid Apes,
>
> I've read all the cuts they did enlisted in the DATABASE of the
group.
> Were they ALL restored in this new DVD release, or maybe they still
> left some precious scene on the floor of the cutting room? Was the
> final battle even longer?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
>
> T.C.
>

I have too and it does look like a return to basics. Proof positive
that a film franchise begun in the '60s can reinvent itself and remain
relevant today without abandoning all the elements that made it great
in the first place.

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/casinoroyale/site/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
> Forget that. This is old school, hard core bond. This is also his
first
> adventure. He won't even be a double 0 when the movie starts. I saw
the trailer
> and it looks great.
>

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In a message dated 8/11/2006 12:28:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The closest theater to me when I was young was the Walker

That's where I saw all five the day I graduated from Montauk, JHS. Did you ever go to the Midwood? Started at 79 cents and went up 10 a year. When it finally went under it was like 1.29 to see a movie.

Can you beleive the KENT is still on Avenue H and still showing first run films?

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

<.html

If anyone hasn't seen Daniel Craig act before, check him out in 'Layer Cake'. Great film.
Great book too! I think he's the best actor to be cast as Bond yet.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> I have too and it does look like a return to basics. Proof positive
> that a film franchise begun in the '60s can reinvent itself and remain
> relevant today without abandoning all the elements that made it great
> in the first place.
>
> http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/casinoroyale/site/
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Forget that. This is old school, hard core bond. This is also his
> first
> > adventure. He won't even be a double 0 when the movie starts. I saw
> the trailer
> > and it looks great.
> >
>

Has anyone ever seen this before? It's a Vintage Tin Soldier Ape.

http://www.toytokyo.com/shopping/index.php/page/product/product_id/1085

They also have a POTA Kubrick set that I've never seen before.

He was also in "Tomb Raider" as Alex West, portraying, I presume,
pretty much the same sort of character he will as Bond...

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...> wrote:
>
> If anyone hasn't seen Daniel Craig act before, check him out
in 'Layer Cake'. Great film.
> Great book too! I think he's the best actor to be cast as Bond yet.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> > I have too and it does look like a return to basics. Proof
positive
> > that a film franchise begun in the '60s can reinvent itself and
remain
> > relevant today without abandoning all the elements that made it
great
> > in the first place.
> >
> > http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/casinoroyale/site/
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Forget that. This is old school, hard core bond. This is also
his
> > first
> > > adventure. He won't even be a double 0 when the movie starts. I
saw
> > the trailer
> > > and it looks great.
> > >
> >
>

I think he'll be great!!...am very much looking
forward to a new Bond era......

Tim

--- Mark <rkid67@...> wrote:

> If anyone hasn't seen Daniel Craig act before, check
> him out in 'Layer Cake'. Great film.
> Great book too! I think he's the best actor to be
> cast as Bond yet.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have too and it does look like a return to
> basics. Proof positive
> > that a film franchise begun in the '60s can
> reinvent itself and remain
> > relevant today without abandoning all the elements
> that made it great
> > in the first place.
> >
> >
>

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/casinoroyale/site/

> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Forget that. This is old school, hard core bond.
> This is also his
> > first
> > > adventure. He won't even be a double 0 when the
> movie starts. I saw
> > the trailer
> > > and it looks great.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

What is that?

--- Mithril1960@... wrote:

> Time to touch him up! get some Taimya and do him
> Movie perfect!
>

you mean "Tomb Raider" with...ahem.....Angelina?

Tim

--- hotscheetz <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

> He was also in "Tomb Raider" as Alex West,
> portraying, I presume,
> pretty much the same sort of character he will as
> Bond...
>
> G
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <rkid67@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > If anyone hasn't seen Daniel Craig act before,
> check him out
> in 'Layer Cake'. Great film.
> > Great book too! I think he's the best actor to be
> cast as Bond yet.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have too and it does look like a return to
> basics. Proof
> positive
> > > that a film franchise begun in the '60s can
> reinvent itself and
> remain
> > > relevant today without abandoning all the
> elements that made it
> great
> > > in the first place.
> > >
> > >
>

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/casinoroyale/site/

> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Forget that. This is old school, hard core
> bond. This is also
> his
> > > first
> > > > adventure. He won't even be a double 0 when
> the movie starts. I
> saw
> > > the trailer
> > > > and it looks great.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>

Attachments :

Yeah.. I have the Ursus......I believe someine on ebay
is selling all three of these right now.....(there's
also a cornelius) see pics

http://cgi.ebay.com/BAPE-x-MEDICOM-Tin-Windup-Planet-of-the-Apes-Set-of-3_W0QQitemZ220013609672QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14015QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

TIm

--- Mark <rkid67@...> wrote:

> Has anyone ever seen this before? It's a Vintage
> Tin Soldier Ape.
>
>

http://www.toytokyo.com/shopping/index.php/page/product/product_id/1085

>
> They also have a POTA Kubrick set that I've never
> seen before.
>
>
>
>

You know she'd make a great Nova in a remake. But then we'd have to
cast Tim as Taylor. Or maybe Brent since he gets to kiss her.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> you mean "Tomb Raider" with...ahem.....Angelina?
>
> Tim
>
>

Were these the only three produced? I seem to remember seeing a wind-up
Zaius but I could be wrong.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah.. I have the Ursus......I believe someine on ebay
> is selling all three of these right now.....(there's
> also a cornelius) see pics
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/BAPE-x-MEDICOM-Tin-Windup-Planet-of-the-Apes-Set-
of-
3_W0QQitemZ220013609672QQihZ012QQcategoryZ14015QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQ
cmdZViewItem
>
> TIm
>

It was at the Walker that I went to both Go Ape! festivals in '73
& '74. Was at the Midwood once toward the end of it's time. Haven't
been to the Kent in 10 years but remember it as a dump.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
> That's where I saw all five the day I graduated from Montauk, JHS.
Did you
> ever go to the Midwood? Started at 79 cents and went up 10 a year.
When it
> finally went under it was like 1.29 to see a movie.
> Can you beleive the KENT is still on Avenue H and still showing
first run
> films?
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear
their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

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So Tim what do you think?

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> you mean "Tomb Raider" with...ahem.....Angelina?
>
> Tim
>

ohhh, I can´t see the pic

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

So Tim what do you think?

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> you mean "Tomb Raider" with...ahem. ....Angelina?
>
> Tim
>

Do You Yahoo!?
Tired of

I'm wondering why they didn't promote this current DVD release of
BATTLE as a "Director's Cut". General public could have been
interested, if properly informed.

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Yes they were. There may have been additional scenes shot but they
> never made it to the extended version.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@>
wrote:
> >
> > Dear Humanoid Apes,
> >
> > I've read all the cuts they did enlisted in the DATABASE of the
> group.
> > Were they ALL restored in this new DVD release, or maybe they
still
> > left some precious scene on the floor of the cutting room? Was
the
> > final battle even longer?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance.
> >
> > T.C.
> >
>

Oh no. Too bad. So they screwed up the darkest movie in the series
in terms of cinematography.

I'm disappointed, quite frankly. We should do a new petition for
future DVD releases.

T.C.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> They are not bad. Planet is OK but the transfer of Beneath is a
bit too
> light.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@>
wrote:
> >
> > Dear Humanoid Apes,
> >
> > I'm HORRORIFED to read that some of you are really disappointed
about
> > the DVD treatment they did for PLANET and BENEATH this time! IS
IT
> > REALLY BAD? That should have been the definitive treatment!
> > Tell me the truth, please.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > T.C.
> >
>

SOUNDS GOOD TO ME!!!!!!

--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> You know she'd make a great Nova in a remake. But
> then we'd have to
> cast Tim as Taylor. Or maybe Brent since he gets to
> kiss her.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > you mean "Tomb Raider" with...ahem.....Angelina?
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Use this link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/AJasNova.jpg

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jose ramon <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
>
> ohhh, I can´t see the pic
>

It looks like they adjusted the brightness based on the underground
sequences. As far as I know FOX isn't planning another POTA release
until the Blu-Ray editions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> Oh no. Too bad. So they screwed up the darkest movie in the series
> in terms of cinematography.
>

I'm not sure if the Extended version is a Director's Cut. The rumor is
that back in the '70s it was created because Battle was too short to
fill out a 2 hour time period on TV.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "apecalypsenow" <apecalypsenow@...> wrote:
>
> I'm wondering why they didn't promote this current DVD release of
> BATTLE as a "Director's Cut". General public could have been
> interested, if properly informed.
>
> T.C.
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/11/06 12:53:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I believe there are two prevailing theories (and please correct me if I'm wrong):


The Return series is totally unrelated to either the movies or the live action TV series.
Caesar was successful in changing lanes in Battle and the world of Return is the result. Personally, I tend to favor the first one.

I really don't see either the live-action or cartoon series as having anything to do with the continuity of the film series, other than simply being based on them.  The cartoon series seemed like an attempt to meld the vision of Boulle's novel with what had been done in the films, and although it was done cheaply, and got pretty silly at times, it was actually more interesting than the live-action show's concept.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/11/06 9:55:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rkid67@... writes:

If anyone hasn't seen Daniel Craig act before, check him out in 'Layer Cake'. Great film.
Great book too! I think he's the best actor to be cast as Bond yet.

I saw LAYER CAKE and I think Craig will be OK.  The question really is -- WILL THE SCRIPT BE ANY GOOD?

Personally, I think James Bond has been tired for a long time.  The concept got taken over long ago by such things as the DIE HARD films.  I don't think there's really been a truly great Bond movie since GOLDFINGER.  Even though the films have kept making money, and have had there ups and downs, it's really all kind of stale.  Everyone should really be concerned about the script.

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