Greg do you ever sleep?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry for the delay in getting this week's issue posted. Hunter
uploaded them to his site earlier today right on schedule, but when
I looked the files over before announcing the issue I realized there
was a page missing from one of the PDFs and a duplicate page in the
other. Corrected files are now available on Hunter's site. If you
downloaded the files earlier today during the brief time they were
available you'll want to download the corrected versions.
>
> This week's issue continues the Terror storyline and has another
chapter in the re-presentation of the Planet adaptation. The more-
for-you-money era seems to be over, as there is no article or
letters page this issue.
>
> https://pota.goatley.com
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>

Received my disc today, I am ecstatic! Now that I have a video copy
of the Galen footage I can now have a "true" marathon. And I finally
was able to see the 30th Anniversary AMC bumpers that I missed
because my psychotic ex-girlfriend demanded we go out of town that
holiday weekend...instead of watching apes... Go figure....

Thank you for your kind and generous offer.

Somewhere in he universe there has to be something better than man...
Well, I don't know anymore...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/23/06 7:14:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> taebokitti@... writes:
>
>
> > The rarities disc is awesome! I would recommend everyone get it.
Elaine
> >
> >

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Loved the Old Galen bumps.  Interesting that they

did the hair pieces for the hands, something Galen

never had, but no makeup on the hands.  A stark

contrast to the color of the mask they used.  I

guess some compromise had to be struck,

though without using the appliances the

mouth didn't have nearly the articulation.

 

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In a message dated 8/23/2006 6:57:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

What is sad about POTA is that so many of the principals have died.

 

It was great seeing Kim on the Kazan episode of American Master on

PBS tonight.  I love it when she pops up in documentaries.  It's just

like have her back among the living again.  And though she looks

great in blue, she should have changed it up a bit.  It's almost

like she shot all of them on the same day.  I do that too.

Now I realize I need to vary it up a little bit more.  If

only so people know it's a clean set of clothes.

 

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In a message dated 8/23/2006 7:47:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

There's a featurette on the disc and Williams appears in it.  He's sure not a kid anymore.  In fact, he looked pretty old, and, No, he doesn't mention BATTLE -- would you?

 

Yeah, that movie's a hoot!

What did he talk about?

 

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In a message dated 8/23/2006 7:38:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I'm sure it's just me, but I found them kind of sad.  I mean you think how great the original movies is, and how good the makeup is, then you look at McDowall doing this. 

 

Nah, I thought he was a good sport to do them.

Also he got to tie up all the loose ends.

 

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In a message dated 8/23/2006 8:36:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?

 

So many I'm surprised there wasn't a cross-over

with the Enterprise take on the gorilla army!

 

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I'm sure Roddy cried all the way to the bank to cash his check for the
gig.

BTW Are the 'Old Galen' clips the last time Roddy appeared in Ape Make-
up?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Schaffner, Shamroy, Heston, Hunter, Evans.... they're all gone, and
> it's just Roddy left. Personally, if it were me, I'd have sat on the
> set and cried!
> -- Rory
>

STAR TREK: THE WRATH OF ZAIUS I think that is caught in development
somewhere.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 8/23/2006 8:36:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?
>
>
>
> So many I'm surprised there wasn't a cross-over
> with the Enterprise take on the gorilla army!
>

Yes, but not as much as I used to. I get more sleep when The Daily
Show is in repeats.

Greg

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Greg do you ever sleep?

I think Mark Lenard is a major link.....

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 8/23/2006 8:36:05 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?
>
>
>
> So many I'm surprised there wasn't a cross-over
> with the Enterprise take on the gorilla army!
>
>

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In a message dated 8/23/2006 9:39:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?

Mark Lenard.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/23/06 9:35:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

In case anyone missed the Comedy Central Roast of William Shatner the
other night, there was an old clip of Bill singing with Mike Douglas.

BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?

Damn, I forgot all about watching that because I watch DEADWOOD the ENTOURAGE on HBO.

I wonder if they'll repeat it?  Was it any good?

Anyway, James Gregory was in a first season episode.

I've also read that Nimoy's original Spock ear appliances were designed by John Chambers.

I know that the appliance makeup work done throughout the modern Star Trek stuff was part of the Chambers "legacy," since he either trained or inspired those makeup artists.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
> BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?
>

Mr. Spock's ears were made by John Chambers...

G

There are three repeats scheduled over the next two weeks:

• The Comedy Central Roast - "William Shatner"
COMEDY, Sat Aug 26 12:00am EDT

• The Comedy Central Roast - "William Shatner"
COMEDY, Sun Aug 27 11:30pm EDT

• The Comedy Central Roast - "William Shatner"
COMEDY, Mon Sep 04 10:00pm EDT

Greg

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Damn, I forgot all about watching that because I watch DEADWOOD
the ENTOURAGE
> on HBO.
>
> I wonder if they'll repeat it? Was it any good?
>
> -- Rory
>

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I would wait for the DVD.....I saw the Pamela Anderson
roast on DVD and can't imagine that it was the same
show that was aired on TV....(which I did not see)
....most of the show must have been one long censored
"bleeeeep".....

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> > In case anyone missed the Comedy Central Roast of
> William Shatner the
> > other night

> I wonder if they'll repeat it? Was it any good?
>
>>
> -- Rory
>

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In a message dated 8/24/2006 4:54:17 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

BTW Are the 'Old Galen' clips the last time Roddy appeared in Ape Make-
up?

 

Not really. since it was a mask.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gp3085" <urko3085@...> wrote:

>
> There are three repeats scheduled over the next two weeks:
>
> • The Comedy Central Roast - "William Shatner"
> COMEDY, Sat Aug 26 12:00am EDT
>
> • The Comedy Central Roast - "William Shatner"
> COMEDY, Sun Aug 27 11:30pm EDT
>
> • The Comedy Central Roast - "William Shatner"
> COMEDY, Mon Sep 04 10:00pm EDT
>
> Greg
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > Damn, I forgot all about watching that because I watch DEADWOOD
> the ENTOURAGE
> > on HBO.
> >
> > I wonder if they'll repeat it? Was it any good?
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> "The "Shat" Hits the Fan" is hilarious!!! I would love to see

it uncensored, though it was pretty easy to understand even with all
of the bleeping...
They left no one unscarred...

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Anyone wonder what the government did with the bodies of Zira and Cornelius? Were they stuffed and mounted in some secret lab, dissected? Put in cryogenic storage along with Walt Disney? Used in DNA experimentation? Hmmm

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> > BTW how many Trek-POTA links can people name?
> >
> Mr. Spock's ears were made by John Chambers...
>
> G
>

Wasn't the Beneath Mutant (w/the glasses) also the leader of the city
in the clouds?

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I'm surprized people didn't get more of these, particularly Ricardo Montalban. For simplicity I'll break this down by film since there are a lot of them.

PLANET OF THE APES

• John Chambers designed Mr. Spock's ears
• Jerry Goldsmith wrote the score to 5 Star Trek movies and the themes for Next Generation & Voyager
• James Daly appeared in an original series episode
• Felix Silla was in the Star Trek pilot

BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES

• Leonard Roseman scored Star Trek IV
• Gregory Sierra was in an episode of DS9
• Jeff Corey guest starred on the original series
• As did James Gregory

ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES

• Janos Prohaska appeared in several original series episodes
• William Windom guest starred on the original series
• So did Jason Evers
• And Ricardo Montalban who also appeared in Star Trek II

BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES

• France Nuyen guest starred on the original series
• Paul Williams appeared in an episode of Voyager

THE TV SERIES

• Mark Lenard appeared in several Trek series and movies
• John Hoyt was in the Star Trek pilot
• Booth Colman guest starred on Voyager
• Jay Robinson, Morgan Woodward & Percy Rodriguez all appeared in episodes of the original series
• Jerry Finnerman was cinematographer on the original series

PLANET OF THE APES (2001)

• David Warner appeared in two Star Trek movies and episodes of the Next Generation
• Michael Wiseman was in episodes of Voyager
• Anne Ramsey was in episodes of Next Generation

There are also some indirect links:

• Lou Wagner was in the TV series CHIPS as was Michael Dorn (Worf)
• Roddy was in the film 'The Alien Within' with Melanie Shatner (Bill's Daughter)
• Conquest's production designer Phillip Jefferies was the brother of Matt Jefferies who designed the original Enterprise
• Frank Capra, Jr.'s son, Frank Capra III, was an assistant director on Star Trek IV

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In a message dated 8/25/2006 4:54:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ursus3978@... writes:

Wasn't the Beneath Mutant (w/the glasses) also the leader of the city
in the clouds?

Jeff Corey. Yep. I wonder who made his spectacles in the future?

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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In a message dated 8/25/2006 6:14:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

James Daly appeared in an original series episode

Requiem for Methesulah. One of my favorite eps.

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/06 10:17:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Do these studios think they're oil companies or something? Enough with slapping loyal fans in the face. I've written tvshowsondvd.com and asked them to do a commentary on this.

  Maybe I'm wrong.


I think you're WRONG.....

Wrong not to look at it from the Home Video companies' perspective.  They are part of corporations, companies that are in business , that employ people and provide livings for those people. In short, they exist to make money.  In order to make that money they have to sell their product to consumers.  What is their product?  Their library of films.  Is that commodity unlimited?  NO!  It's finite.  They only have so many movies.  So, how do they keep making money off that finite resource?  By figuring out new ways to keep selling the same thing.  (Has that ever NOT been the case scine the days of the nickelodeons?)  What would you have them do instead?  Sell the ultimate DVD edition of every movie they have, that no buyer will ever need to replace with an improved transfer or further desire anything more on, then just hang it up?  Dude, we live in a capitalist society, one that demands continuing profits.  No more profits -- no more company!  Like it or not, that's the reality -- AND YOU BETTER GET HOLD OF THAT AND HANG ON TO IT, OR YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE DEAD!  Besides, I think the purchasing of DVDs falls under the category of a "nonessential purchase," you know, like a luxury item or something.  They aren't food or toilet paper -- you don't HAVE to have them.  No one is holding a gun to your head making you buy them!  So, butch up and stop complaining!

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/25/06 6:15:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I'm surprized people didn't get more of these, particularly Ricardo Montalban.

I spent all of about two seconds thinking on it.  I've got better things to do, but your list is nice, James.  You should post it in the trivia section on PLANET over at IMDB.COM.

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His name isn't in the credits, but isn't that James B. Sikking -
Captain Styles in The Search For Spock in the opening credit sequence
of Escape?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm surprized people didn't get more of these, particularly Ricardo
> Montalban. For simplicity I'll break this down by film since there
are a
> lot of them.
>

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In a message dated 8/25/2006 3:50:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

Used in DNA experimentation?

How else would the apes change from those

refuges from Gilligan's Island to looking just

like the aped from Planet and Beneath?

 

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/06 1:55:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, drhasslein@... writes:

His name isn't in the credits, but isn't that James B. Sikking -
Captain Styles in The Search For Spock in the opening credit sequence
of Escape?

Yes, it is.

I also forgot to mention that I've read someplace (or maybe Goldsmith says in in the commentary for ST: TMP) that Jerry Goldsmith was originally going to do the music for the "Star Trek" pilot back in 1965, but had a scheduling problem.  If he had done it, the theme music to ST: TOS would have been Goldsmith.

No one else seemed to like it much, but I liked VOYAGER a lot and still rent DVDs of that show.  Goldsmith's theme is great.

Oh, and by the way, I just rented, but haven't watched yet, an episode of ST: DS9 that has Lou Wagner in it playing a Ferengi.  It's a first season episode called "The Nagus."

-- Rory<.html <.html

The corpses were burned. But DNA samples from Cornelius, Zira and Milo
were obtained by INGEN Corporation, the parent company of Ape
Management. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, atragon1@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/25/2006 4:50:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Mithril1960@... writes:
> Anyone wonder what the government did with the bodies of Zira and
Cornelius?
> Were they stuffed and mounted in some secret lab, dissected? Put in
cryogenic
> storage along with Walt Disney? Used in DNA experimentation? Hmmm
> Maybe ... just maybe they didn't die? What then?
>

You make some good points. True it is a business and studios love
to 'double-dip', so to speak, by releasing a film once & then
releasing a special edition later on.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I think you're WRONG.....
>
> Wrong not to look at it from the Home Video companies'
perspective. They are
> part of corporations, companies that are in business, that employ
people and
> provide livings for those people. In short, they exist to make
money. In
> order to make that money they have to sell their product to
consumers. What is
> their product? Their library of films. Is that commodity
unlimited? NO! It's
> finite. They only have so many movies. So, how do they keep
making money
> off that finite resource? By figuring out new ways to keep
selling the same
> thing. (Has that ever NOT been the case scine the days of the
nickelodeons?)
> What would you have them do instead? Sell the ultimate DVD
edition of every
> movie they have, that no buyer will ever need to replace with an
improved
> transfer or further desire anything more on, then just hang it
up? Dude, we live in
> a capitalist society, one that demands continuing profits. No
more profits --
> no more company! Like it or not, that's the reality -- AND YOU
BETTER GET
> HOLD OF THAT AND HANG ON TO IT, OR YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE DEAD!
Besides, I think
> the purchasing of DVDs falls under the category of a "nonessential
purchase,"
> you know, like a luxury item or something. They aren't food or
toilet paper
> -- you don't HAVE to have them. No one is holding a gun to your
head making
> you buy them! So, butch up and stop complaining!
>
> -- Rory
>

The hell with IMDB! Although I may add it to our Database section here.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I spent all of about two seconds thinking on it. I've got better
things to
> do, but your list is nice, James. You should post it in the trivia
section on
> PLANET over at IMDB.COM.
>
> -- Rory
>

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In a message dated 8/25/2006 7:53:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, atragon1@... writes:

Maybe ... just maybe they didn't die?  What then?

They're dead. The best Cornelius could have ended up as was a vegetable, since he must have shattered his spine and broke both legs and likely fractured his skull after being shot and falling. Zira took a few throught the lungs, so I doubt either of them would have survived. I'm just wondering what the government would have done with the bodies.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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Here's one . . . I was watching an ad for the Twilight Zone

and it flashed a clip from an episode with Roddy McDowall.

I just checked fUSION Anomaly, It's an episode with the

Green Girl from the Star Trek Pilot, The Menagerie,

Susan Oliver, in virtually the same story.  They

fly to Mars and the Martians then give them a

house with no windows and locked doors.

When the walls are removed they are

in a zoo.  If that isn't a crossover I

don't know what is.  Creepy!

One original POTA star

and one original Star

Trek star who both

end up on another

planet in a cage!

 

Title: People Are Alike All Over

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 8/26/2006 1:47:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The corpses were burned. But DNA samples from Cornelius, Zira and Milo
were obtained by INGEN Corporation, the parent company of Ape
Management.

And this is known, how?

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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They're dead. The best Cornelius could have ended up as was a vegetable, since he must have shattered his spine and broke both legs and likely fractured his skull after being shot and falling. Zira took a few throught the lungs, so I doubt either of them would have survived. I'm just wondering what the government would have done with the bodies.

******************************************

Well, I would think that if an alien landed on earth (remember they were considered "visitors from space") that the bodies would be autopsied and then preserved. The autopsies would confirm that the apeonauts were born of the earth and perhaps -- years later -- their DNA would be used by APE MANAGEMENT to breed a smarter more domesticated servant ape -- and we all know the results from that.

 

But, what if one or both survived? Maybe Stevie and Dr Dixon were put in charge of the survivors and they lived to see Caesar's conquest?

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Of course I should have known you'd come up with stuff that I had
missed. I wonder of Goldsmith's theme for Star Trek was at all
similar to what he had planned to do back in '65.?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Yes, it is.
>
> I also forgot to mention that I've read someplace (or maybe
Goldsmith says in
> in the commentary for ST: TMP) that Jerry Goldsmith was originally
going to
> do the music for the "Star Trek" pilot back in 1965, but had a
scheduling
> problem. If he had done it, the theme music to ST: TOS would have
been Goldsmith.
>
> No one else seemed to like it much, but I liked VOYAGER a lot and
still rent
> DVDs of that show. Goldsmith's theme is great.
>
> Oh, and by the way, I just rented, but haven't watched yet, an
episode of ST:
> DS9 that has Lou Wagner in it playing a Ferengi. It's a first
season episode
> called "The Nagus."
>
> -- Rory
>

Good one. I'll have to add it to the list.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> His name isn't in the credits, but isn't that James B. Sikking -
> Captain Styles in The Search For Spock in the opening credit sequence
> of Escape?
>
>
>

I'll add it to the list. Thanks T.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Here's one . . . I was watching an ad for the Twilight Zone
> and it flashed a clip from an episode with Roddy McDowall.
> I just checked fUSION Anomaly, It's an episode with the
> Green Girl from the Star Trek Pilot, The Menagerie,
> Susan Oliver, in virtually the same story. They
> fly to Mars and the Martians then give them a
> house with no windows and locked doors.
> When the walls are removed they are
> in a zoo. If that isn't a crossover I
> don't know what is. Creepy!
> One original POTA star
> and one original Star
> Trek star who both
> end up on another
> planet in a cage!
>
>
> Title: People Are Alike All Over
>

It's not. I just made it up which is why I ended my post with a ;-).

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/26/2006 1:47:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> The corpses were burned. But DNA samples from Cornelius, Zira and
Milo
> were obtained by INGEN Corporation, the parent company of Ape
> Management.
>
>
>
> And this is known, how?
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear
their
> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/06 1:55:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

The hell with IMDB!

The only reason you know most of the credits and the dates of Jeff Burton and Robert Gunner's deaths -- is because I posted them there!

Don't knock the IMDB, it's a wonderful resource.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/06 1:48:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

You make some good points. True it is a business and studios love
to 'double-dip', so to speak, by releasing a film once & then
releasing a special edition later on.

Just as they used to release a movie, then do a reissue years later, then a double feature.  And back in those days you didn't get to take the movie home and watch it over and over.  And the buying of DVDs isn't like the buying of food.  You spend much more on food every week than you do on DVDs.  You can watch the DVDs again and again, but try eating the same food again and again.  It would get rather disgusting.

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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/06 5:45:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Title: People Are Alike All Over

I've owned it on DVD for years!

-- Rory
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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/26/06 6:58:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Of course I should have known you'd come up with stuff that I had
missed. I wonder of Goldsmith's theme for Star Trek was at all
similar to what he had planned to do back in '65.?

Oh, I doubt it.  It probably would have been very much like his "Twilight Zone" stuff.

By the way, Goldsmith was pissed that they took his main title theme from ST: TMP and used it as the theme for TNG.  That's why when you watch VOYAGER each episode starts with a "Main Theme" credit for Goldsmith.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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In a message dated 8/20/2006 8:56:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

In a message dated 8/20/2006 7:57:18 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, teddypawpad@ verizon.net writes:

Would like to toss an idea in the group here....Out of all the sci-fi
cons I have known about and the few I actually participated in, I have
yet to here or see a con dedicated to POTA. If funds were available to
do so, I would like to do a POTA convention. Since funding is not
available for me to start up something like that, I still would like
to know if anyone would still be interested in a Planet of the Apes
con anyway.....Just an idea, of course

I'd contact Creation and bounce the idea off of them.

 

 

Or the folks at Chiller Theatre since they are always doing "themed" shows like Lost in Space and Batman.

Bruce

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In a message dated 8/22/2006 11:00:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john@... writes:

Now that's what I call a Revolution!! ! This book is just superb and,
amazingly, gets better with each issue.We have GOT to have another
series, so COME ON FOLKS, LET'S BUY THIS IN BIG, BIG NUMBERS.Part of
being an Apes fan over the decades has been that helpless feeling when
shows, comics etc got cancelled and we could do nothing about it.It's a
real buzz to have classic Apes back, so don't lets miss the chance to
support the one new bit of living Apedom.If you have never seen the
comic, do yourself a big favour and get it--you'll be hooked,
instantly! John, Scrolls.

After an unsuccessful search through NY for the REVOLUTION series I finally ordered the first 5 issues from the publisher and I must say I've enjoyed them all. I almost hate to see #6 as it is supposed to be the end of the series. Great stuff!

 

Bruce

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> It's not. I just made it up which is why I ended my post with a ;-).

> > The corpses were burned. But DNA samples from Cornelius, Zira and Milo
> > were obtained by INGEN Corporation, the parent company of Ape
> > Management.

He also didn't get the joke there, with InGen being the name of the
corporation in JURASSIC PARK....

I thought it was funny. 8-)

Hunter

I don't think that the corpses were burned because that maybe
one of the reasons that the plague that killed the dogs and cats got
started. I think the scientific part of the government would have done
many experiments including some sort of gene splicing and maybe some
cloning experiments. i do agree with you about the DNA being obtained
by a company but it has to be a front company with ties to the
government.

Kevin
PofTAfan

-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:06 AM
Subject: [POTA] Re: Corpses

The corpses were burned. But DNA samples from Cornelius,
Zira and Milo
were obtained by INGEN Corporation, the parent company of Ape
Management. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, atragon1@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 8/25/2006 4:50:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> Mithril1960@... writes:
> Anyone wonder what the government did with the bodies of Zira and
Cornelius?
> Were they stuffed and mounted in some secret lab, dissected? Put in
cryogenic
> storage along with Walt Disney? Used in DNA experimentation? Hmmm
> Maybe ... just maybe they didn't die? What then?
>






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In a message dated 8/26/2006 6:52:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, atragon1@... writes:

Maybe Stevie and Dr Dixon were put in charge of the survivors and they lived to see Caesar's conquest?

I think more likely, since its obvious neither ape survived, nor did anyone rush to give them first aid if one had survived, that the two doctors either had a gag order placed on them or had a government sponsored 'accident'.

 

But perhaps the use of their DNA would explain why Breck was so paranoid even before Cesar appeared.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."

V - V for Vendetta

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In a message dated 8/26/2006 11:48:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

       I don't think that the corpses were burned because that maybe
one of the reasons that the plague that killed the dogs and cats got
started. 

Nope. The plague was brought back from space in the 80's years after Z and C were dead. Armando says it in Conquest.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."

V - V for Vendetta

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In a message dated 8/26/2006 10:42:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

He also didn't get the joke there, with InGen being the name of the
corporation in JURASSIC PARK....

I'm not a big fan of the Jurassic crap films. The first book was good, the second book sucked. The first movie was OK, but too Spielberged for me, and I hated the second and third films.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."

V - V for Vendetta

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 7:03 AM

Subject: [POTA] Re: OT: POTA not the "Ultimate" con job

You make some good points. True it is a business and studios love
to 'double-dip' , so to speak, by releasing a film once & then
releasing a special edition later on.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I think you're WRONG.....
>
> Wrong not to look at it from the Home Video companies'
perspective. They are
> part of corporations, companies that are in business, that employ
people and
> provide livings for those people. In short, they exist to make
money. In
> order to make that money they have to sell their product to
consumers. What is
> their product? Their library of films. Is that commodity
unlimited? NO! It's
> finite. They only have so many movies. So, how do they keep
making money
> off that finite resource? By figuring out new ways to keep
selling the same
> thing. (Has that ever NOT been the case scine the days of the
nickelodeons? )
> What would you have them do instead? Sell the ultimate DVD
edition of every
> movie they have, that no buyer will ever need to replace with an
improved
> transfer or further desire anything more on, then just hang it
up? Dude, we live in
> a capitalist society, one that demands continuing profits. No
more profits --
> no more company! Like it or not, that's the reality -- AND YOU
BETTER GET
> HOLD OF THAT AND HANG ON TO IT, OR YOU MIGHT AS WELL BE DEAD!
Besides, I think
> the purchasing of DVDs falls under the category of a "nonessential
purchase,"
> you know, like a luxury item or something. They aren't food or
toilet paper
> -- you don't HAVE to have them. No one is holding a gun to your
head making
> you buy them! So, butch up and stop complaining!
>
> -- Rory
>

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And who told them that it was brought back from space. This
could be part of a misinformation campaign made up by the government to
put the blame on the space program, not them selves. Besides, do you
believe everything that your government tells you. Look what happened
to the government during the time when Zira and Cornelius got killed to
Ceasar brought down Breck's government, it went to a government by the
people to almost a dictactorship.


Kevin
PofTAfan



-----Original Message-----
From: Mithril1960@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Corpses

In a message dated 8/26/2006 11:48:27 P.M. Eastern
Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:
I don't think that the corpses were burned because that maybe
one of the reasons that the plague that killed the dogs and cats got
started.


Nope. The plague was brought back from space in the 80's years after Z
and C were dead. Armando says it in Conquest.


"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear
their people."

V - V for Vendetta





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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/27/06 2:16:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There's too much greed and corruption these days under the guise of "just doing business".

And man is a menace and a walking pestilence... blah, blah, blah!  Get over it already! 

-- Rory<.html <.html

I luv your writing, Dave...It's really entertaining...Keep it up...=)

G

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> This week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to
Dave
> and everyone who contributed.
>
> To view the LESSON just click the banner on the Yahoo Home Page or
> directly with this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm>
>
> And be sure to be here next weekend when we celebrate the group's
8th
> Anniversary. Several events are planned including a special LESSON
FROM
> THE LAWGIVER and a contest where you could win some great POTA
prizes.
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original
POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more.
> * POTA Locations
>
<http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot.
> * The Art Gallery
>
<http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members.
> * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
> * The Photos Section
> <http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos> - POTA pics
> contributed by members.
>
> Also, be sure to join our sub-groups:
>
> * The POTA Fan Fiction Group
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaFanFiction> - Fanfic by
> members.
> * The POTA File Archive
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAFileArchive> - Old files
that
> were too large for the files section here.
>

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In a message dated 8/27/2006 9:56:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

There's too much greed and corruption these days under the guise of "just doing business".

And man is a menace and a walking pestilence... blah, blah, blah!  Get over it already!  <.html

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:

>
>> In a message dated 8/27/2006 9:56:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> >Haristas@... writes:
> >
>>> There's too much greed and corruption these days under the guise of "just
>>> doing business". 
>>
>> And man is a menace and a walking pestilence... blah, blah, blah! Get over
>> it already!
>
> Beware the Beast Man, for he is the devil's pawn...
>

Yay he will murder his brother to posess his brother's DVDs :-)

 

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Sorry for the late heads up, but Maurice Evans will be on an episode at 7 PM eastern.  Entitled "Beaumarchais" I see from IMDB.com that it first aired on October 12, 1967, which means this episode was filmed either while Evans was playing Dr. Zaius in PLANET or just after he finished.  Anyway, I can't wait to check it out.

I just got through watching an episode that had Victor Buono in it, and had a scene shot at the Malibu Creek rock pool.  They even had the waterfall turned on!

All the exteriors for BOONE were done out at the Fox ranch, you know.  I also saw the "meadow," but with no cornfield planted.

So for any of you that have TV LAND, check it out quick!

-- Rory<.html<.html

Voyager, the Seven of Nine years, was the only incarnation of Star Trek
other than TOS that I could stomach.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>

>
> No one else seemed to like it much, but I liked VOYAGER a lot and
still rent
> DVDs of that show. Goldsmith's theme is great.
>

> -- Rory
>

Speaking of which, that is a change I wish could be made in a
remaster of Beneath (although I know it would never happen.) It has
always bugged me that "drive him back into his jungle lair" was
edited from the intro. The Sacred Scrolls are sacred, not to be
tampered with.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@ wrote:
> >
> >> In a message dated 8/27/2006 9:56:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > >Haristas@ writes:
> > >
> >>> There's too much greed and corruption these days under the
guise of
> "just
> >>> doing business".
> >>
> >> And man is a menace and a walking pestilence... blah, blah,
blah! Get
> over
> >> it already!
> >
> > Beware the Beast Man, for he is the devil's pawn...
> >
> Yay he will murder his brother to posess his brother's DVDs :-)
>

> Voyager, the Seven of Nine years, was the only incarnation of Star Trek
> other than TOS that I could stomach.

Is that because of Seven of Nine?

I thought VOYAGER wss incredibly bad, but then, I only saw the first
season before I gave up on it. I did see the occasional episode after
that, and I never saw anything to convince me that it wasn't horrible.

Not even Seven of Nine.

Yes, Jeri Ryan was (is) easy on the eyes, but I thought the character
had great depth and the stories surrounding her inner struggle to
become human again were very moving. If the plot didn't revolve around
her, forget about it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Voyager, the Seven of Nine years, was the only incarnation of Star
Trek
> > other than TOS that I could stomach.
>
> Is that because of Seven of Nine?
>
> I thought VOYAGER wss incredibly bad, but then, I only saw the first
> season before I gave up on it. I did see the occasional episode after
> that, and I never saw anything to convince me that it wasn't horrible.
>
> Not even Seven of Nine.
>

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 1:41:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, drhasslein@... writes:

Yes, Jeri Ryan was (is) easy on the eyes, but I thought the character
had great depth and the stories surrounding her inner struggle to
become human again were very moving. If the plot didn't revolve around
her, forget about it.

 

On the contrary,  I thought that like the Doctor's hologram, and any other character who's actor feels slighted in the emotive department seems to complain until they get these roles, straight out of the Actors Studio, which allow them  to feel human emotion, or some approximation there of.  That way they don't feel left out for the season playing an android, even if that's exactly who they're supposed to be.  The only exceptions have been Lol and Hugh, who actually gave very moving performances.  The rest was all..."Okay, for the first half-hour I'll be a tree, stuff."  They do it to keep them from walking, or asking for more money.

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-----Original Message-----
From: drhasslein@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 8:59 PM
Subject: [POTA] Re: Star Trek/POTA links

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-----Original Message-----
From: goathunter@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: Star Trek/POTA links

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I don't think the stories were written because Jeri Ryan was a
whiner, I think it was the character arc from the beginning.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 8/28/2006 1:41:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> drhasslein@... writes:
>
> Yes, Jeri Ryan was (is) easy on the eyes, but I thought the
character
> had great depth and the stories surrounding her inner struggle to
> become human again were very moving. If the plot didn't revolve
around
> her, forget about it.
>
>
>
> On the contrary, I thought that like the Doctor's hologram, and
any other
> character who's actor feels slighted in the emotive department
seems to
> complain until they get these roles, straight out of the Actors
Studio, which allow
> them to feel human emotion, or some approximation there of. That
way they
> don't feel left out for the season playing an android, even if
that's exactly
> who they're supposed to be. The only exceptions have been Lol and
Hugh, who
> actually gave very moving performances. The rest was all..."Okay,
for the
> first half-hour I'll be a tree, stuff." They do it to keep them
from walking,
> or asking for more money.
>

> The first season of VOYAGER is bad. It got better after that, but
> you know -- there are good episodes and there are bad. I'm really not
> into the stories that much, I just like the atmosphere and some of the
> characters.

That was one of my biggest problems with VOYAGER: the characters and
the actors. I despise Kate Mulgrew (always have), Tim Russ as Tuvok
always seemed like a black man trying to act like Leonard Nimoy (to
me), the Neelix and Kes characters were grating, and on and on. I did
like Robert Picardo's holographic doctor.

Hunter

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In a message dated 8/27/2006 3:44:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Yay he will murder his brother to posess his brother's DVDs :-)

Allow him not to purchase in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his DVD rack and yours....

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@... wrote:

>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/23/2006 5:12:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> teddypawpad@... writes:
>
> Creation is a difficult group to deal with. I was more thinking along
> the lines of either forming a group to spearhead the convention or
> getting one of the furry groups to do it. Since I find most of the
> Northern California and out of state furcon promoters are more
> creative and more fan oriented than business oriented.
>
>
>
> Creation at one time ran some really good Cons, but unfortunately

success

> went to their heads. What an Apes con needs is something like the

people who ran

> the first few Trek cons in NYC. I was at the first one ever and no

other con

> was ever like it.
> That was real Fan work.
>
>
> "People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear

their

> people."
> V For Vendetta.
>

That would be a good idea except those folks went on elsewhere though
still active in the fandom.
But I do think that if a new group forms to develop the con, it'll be
more fan oriented....Which is the idea! That'll keep it fun and
enjoyable and reasonable cost wise for all.

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 3:30:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

Tim Russ as Tuvok
always seemed like a black man trying to act like Leonard Nimoy (to
me), the Neelix and Kes characters were grating, and on and on. 

Actually Tim Russ was a huge Trekkie prior to getting the role and he wanted Tuvok to live up to Spock standards. Kes was a wasted character who the people who created her didn't know how to write for!

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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Cool! got it on the list. Need a writing workshop and make-up shop as
well.... Anyone else?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
> What is sad about POTA is that so many of the principals have died. As
> I noted in an earlier post, both Dodge and Landon are gone. At least
> Linda Harrison is still with us. As is Eric Braden, Natalie Trundy, Don
> Murray, Paul Williams and Austin Stoker.
>
>

I agree. But a pota con can still happen with the surviving
castmembers and any participating cast members from Tim burton's
version. So it can still be enjoyable. There are enough fans to make
it that way.

Thank you Wendy. This is a start.

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In a message dated 8/27/2006 3:44:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

Yay he will murder his brother to posess his brother's DVDs :-)

Allow him not to purchase in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his DVD rack and yours....



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.html.htmlIn a message dated 8/28/06 3:32:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

I despise Kate Mulgrew (always have)

Despise?!!!!  What did she ever do to you?!!!!  Rape you're dog or something?  DESPISE!

I have no problem with her.  She's a little over-the-top sometimes, but generally OK.

-- Rory

-- Rory<.html <.html

> > I despise Kate Mulgrew (always have)

> Despise?!!!! What did she ever do to you?!!!! Rape you're dog or something?
> DESPISE!

8-) There are a handful of actresses who just give me the
heebie-jeebies: Kate Mulgree, Tyne Daly, Swoosie Kurtz, Dixie
Carter.... I can't stand to look at them or listen to them....

Hunter

But , will he murder for the DVD of POTA 2001
Dave-NYC
Haristas@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/28/06 5:49:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mithril1960@ aol.com writes:

In a message dated 8/27/2006 3:44:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:

Yay he will murder his brother to posess his brother's DVDs :-)

Allow him not to purchase in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his DVD rack and yours....



As Dr. Zaius said in BENEATH... "Enough of this nonsense!"

---

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 8:17:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Allow him not to purchase in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his DVD rack and yours....

As Dr. Zaius said in BENEATH... "Enough of this nonsense!

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 2:32:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

Tim Russ as Tuvok always seemed like a black man trying to act like Leonard Nimoy.

 

They always come up with some plot device to inject emotions

into the characters they establish without emotions.  Ever since

before the Happy Spock episode and the Vulcan Mating Season.

Think Data with the emotion chip or T'Pol addicted to Trellium-D.

I never like these episodes.  They sucked.  Luckily they never

did Mutants i in the POTA series.  If it had been a hit eventually

they would have and equally as inevitable would have been an

episode where they got a virus that mad them more human.

 

 

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 2:25:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, drhasslein@... writes:

I don't think the stories were written because Jeri Ryan was a
whiner, I think it was the character arc from the beginning.

 

Not saying she was a whiner.  I don't have any

inside info.  But actors do like a stretch.  I can't

imagine any of them wanting to take roles that

are limiting except as a career springboard.

They have to weigh the risk of being type cast

against a steady paycheck and Trek Immortality.

 

 

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 7:47:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

There are a handful of actresses who just give me the
heebie-jeebies:

 

Glenn Close!

Man it was hard to sit through Fatal Attraction!

It would have been easier to watch with Linda Hunt!

 

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 11:46:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yeah, Seven of Nine.  Oh yeah! 

 

Oh thank heaven for Seven of Eleven...

More like Six of Nine!

 

 

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>> Tim Russ as Tuvok
>> always seemed like a black man trying to act like Leonard Nimoy (to
>> me), the Neelix and Kes characters were grating, and on and on.

> Actually Tim Russ was a huge Trekkie prior to getting the role and he wanted
> Tuvok to live up to Spock standards.

I should have been a little clearer---he never really seemed like a
Vulcan to me, just somebody trying to be one. Some actors did it
well, some didn't. His acting never convinced me.

> Kes was a wasted character who the
> people who created her didn't know how to write for!

Yes, that was evident from the very beginning.

Hunter

If The Legacy happens in Oakland, and if it's a different city then in
The Trap, where is that second city.Does the subway mean it has to be
San Francisco? And who allowed that far inferior franchise, Star Trek,
on this group? Plot hole? Quick, to the holo-deck, let's pretend we
were dreaming it! John, Scrolls.

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 9:21:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

I should have been a little clearer---he never really seemed like a
Vulcan to me, just somebody trying to be one. Some actors did it
well, some didn't. His acting never convinced me.

 

It just seemed to me like all of them had to have an excuse

to emote.  Sarak going senile for example.  It's almost as

if the whole Vulcan "Logic" thing was all a front, like a

phoney accent they can't keep up.  Any little thing

like being half human or a bad Mind-Meld could

set them off.  Perhaps that was the point -- to

say they're just like us and that all these

uncontrollable emotions are just below

the surface.  But then ever place is

just like that.  Where are the REAL

Vulcans who have it under control?

 

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I would say it was San Francisco due to the BART Station. BART connects
San Francisco with Oakland. So if it is not Oakland it would have to me
SF.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> If The Legacy happens in Oakland, and if it's a different city then
in
> The Trap, where is that second city.Does the subway mean it has to be
> San Francisco? And who allowed that far inferior franchise, Star
Trek,
> on this group? Plot hole? Quick, to the holo-deck, let's pretend we
> were dreaming it! John, Scrolls.
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: goathunter@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: [POTA] Re: (OT) Star Trek/POTA links

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That's interesting--it helps me give the whole series a geographical
fix.I wasn't really aware of whether there were any other contenders so
it looks like our trio went to San Francisco---wouldn't it have been
cool if Urko had been re-using Alcatraz to contain rebels?! John,
Scrolls.

> >
>

In science fiction, to my mind anyway, the three biggies have always
been Apes, Star Trek and Star Wars.I would suggest that of the three,
Star Wars is the weakest, really only being one film of any note, with
five cash ins of steadly more diluted crap.Star Trek is weightier, but
excrutiatingly formulaic and, again, the later incarnations are pale
shadows of what went before.I honestly feel that Apes is better
written, better directed, better acted, both in its film and television
guises, and id a far,far superior franchise to the other eye candy,
glossy franchises.I think the quality of Apes will endure longer than
the others because, quite simply, it is the best.By a mile.John,
Scrolls.

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In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bikergator25@... writes:

But , will he murder for the DVD of POTA 2001

Only in utter desperation for anything POTA.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
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In a message dated 8/29/2006 4:30:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, john@... writes:

The Trap, where is that second city.Does the subway mean it has to be
San Francisco?

Since its the BART, it has to be San Francisco.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
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In a message dated 8/28/2006 10:11:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Glenn Close!

Man it was hard to sit through Fatal Attraction!

Fatal Attraction sucked. Yeah, I can beleive that a dude is going to cheat on ANNE ARCHER with man faced Glenn Close? Please.

 

 

"People shouldn't fear their governments, governments should fear their people."
V For Vendetta.

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