> I had wondered anyone here has ever wondered as to what became of

Taylor after he disappeared into that rock wall illusion...

I had an idea once that there would be a Mutant who specialized in
plucking memories from the minds of captives. My idea was that Taylor
would then be visited, in his cell, by the illusions of a succession
of people he once knew (Landon, Dodge, Stewart, etc) in an effort by
the Mutants to break his will.

Of course Taylor would realize what was happening but at the same time
it would begin to wear him down so when he sees Brent for the first
time he wonders if he's real.

An idea was as far as I got.

Dave

I must agree that showing ESCAPE after PLANET was a stupid idea on
AMC's part. Who knows what runs through the minds of tv programmers.

On to your question about Taylor's whereabouts after disappearing
into the mirage. I think it is safe to say that he experienced
pretty much what Brent and Nova did. Remember when Taylor asks Brent
how he got there, Brent replied the same way you did - spaceship,
ape-city, subway. Taylor made no comment to contradict Brent's
assumption of a similar path, so one must conclude that Taylor went
through just that. It would have been cool to see some those goings-
on but if you recall, it was in Heston's deal to kill off Taylor.
Most of the original drafts had Taylor expiring before the second
act and that would have been unsatisfying. So a compromise was
reached, Taylor will appear in the first act then disappear. Only to
reappear in the end just in time to destroy the planet; Heston's
idea by the way. If you don't already have it, you should pick
up "Planet of the Apes Revisited", link below. This book is loaded
with cool behind the scenes knowledge. It is an absolute must for
any Apes fan. I hope this helped clear up some of your query.

"My God its a - its a city of apes"!
http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Revisited-Behind-
Scenes/dp/0312252390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?
ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> Why would AMC have shown ESCAPE following PLANET? That was
ridiculous!
>
>
>
> I have another question or two BENEATH me:
>
>
>
> I had wondered anyone here has ever wondered as to what became of
Taylor
> after he disappeared into that rock wall illusion...it would be
nice if
> Hunter, or Kassidy, or someone could do a story showing what may
have
> happened:
>
>
>
> Did Taylor end up in one of the many subway tunnels after he
passed through
> the illusion...and could he have possibly heard that "hum", maybe
the same
> one (or possibly a different version) that Brent and Nova would
eventually
> hear, after their narrow escape from the gorilla guards?
>
>
>
> Did he end up in front of the half-melted water fountain (next to
the
> equally-half-melted East 51sy Street sign, outside of what was
once St.
> Patrick's Cathedral? Was he given telepathic messages by Mendez
or one of
> the other leaders to remain in front of the cathedral and wait for
some
> guards...who then took him to the "Inquisition Room" (a portion of
the
> former Grand Central Station terminal) where he was "questioned"
by Albina,
> Mendez XXVI, Adiposo (the Fat Man), Ongaro (the Negro), and
Caspay? And,
> when they couldn't get anything out of him regarding the pending
Ape Army
> invasion, then he was placed in a cell?
>
>
>
> Taylor isn't shown but once, briefly, when Brent is interrogated
by the
> mutant council in the "Room" (part of the former Grand Central
Station
> terminal). And then, of course, when Brent is escorted to the
same cell
> later on, Taylor is shown prominently from that point on.
>
>
>
> One additional thing that has puzzled me as well. When Ursus,
Zaius and the
> Grand Army of the Apes defeat the illusions of the desert, and
after they
> see the above-ground ruins of NYC, they run across an opening in
the ground.
> .the very same opening to the "Queensboro Plaza" subway station
that Brent
> and Nova discovered earlier in the movie! How could that
be...certainly,
> they should have found another one, or possibly several others, at
the
> above-ground ruins!
>
>
>
> Anyway, what are my friends' comments on these?
>
>
>
> Zach
>

<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7193820.stm>

A little off topic I know but it touches on discussions we've had in
the past.

Dave

Just wanted to fix the link.

"My God its a - its a city of apes"! http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Revisited-Behind-Scenes/dp/0312252390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1

Also, when the Mutant says to Taylor and Brent, "We let our enemies kill each other", Taylor has a look of horror on his face. I always got the impression that he had been forced to fight and kill some of the captured Gorilla scouts.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jenntux" <20thctryfox@...> wrote:
>
> I must agree that showing ESCAPE after PLANET was a stupid idea on
> AMC's part. Who knows what runs through the minds of tv programmers.
>
> On to your question about Taylor's whereabouts after disappearing
> into the mirage. I think it is safe to say that he experienced
> pretty much what Brent and Nova did. Remember when Taylor asks Brent
> how he got there, Brent replied the same way you did - spaceship,
> ape-city, subway. Taylor made no comment to contradict Brent's
> assumption of a similar path, so one must conclude that Taylor went
> through just that. It would have been cool to see some those goings-
> on but if you recall, it was in Heston's deal to kill off Taylor.
> Most of the original drafts had Taylor expiring before the second
> act and that would have been unsatisfying. So a compromise was
> reached, Taylor will appear in the first act then disappear. Only to
> reappear in the end just in time to destroy the planet; Heston's
> idea by the way. If you don't already have it, you should pick
> up "Planet of the Apes Revisited", link below. This book is loaded
> with cool behind the scenes knowledge. It is an absolute must for
> any Apes fan. I hope this helped clear up some of your query.
>
> "My God its a - its a city of apes"!
> http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Revisited-Behind-
> Scenes/dp/0312252390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?
> ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" Zasco1957@ wrote:
> >
> > Why would AMC have shown ESCAPE following PLANET? That was
> ridiculous!
> >
> >
> >
> > I have another question or two BENEATH me:
> >
> >
> >
> > I had wondered anyone here has ever wondered as to what became of
> Taylor
> > after he disappeared into that rock wall illusion...it would be
> nice if
> > Hunter, or Kassidy, or someone could do a story showing what may
> have
> > happened:
> >
> >
> >
> > Did Taylor end up in one of the many subway tunnels after he
> passed through
> > the illusion...and could he have possibly heard that "hum", maybe
> the same
> > one (or possibly a different version) that Brent and Nova would
> eventually
> > hear, after their narrow escape from the gorilla guards?
> >
> >
> >
> > Did he end up in front of the half-melted water fountain (next to
> the
> > equally-half-melted East 51sy Street sign, outside of what was
> once St.
> > Patrick's Cathedral? Was he given telepathic messages by Mendez
> or one of
> > the other leaders to remain in front of the cathedral and wait for
> some
> > guards...who then took him to the "Inquisition Room" (a portion of
> the
> > former Grand Central Station terminal) where he was "questioned"
> by Albina,
> > Mendez XXVI, Adiposo (the Fat Man), Ongaro (the Negro), and
> Caspay? And,
> > when they couldn't get anything out of him regarding the pending
> Ape Army
> > invasion, then he was placed in a cell?
> >
> >
> >
> > Taylor isn't shown but once, briefly, when Brent is interrogated
> by the
> > mutant council in the "Room" (part of the former Grand Central
> Station
> > terminal). And then, of course, when Brent is escorted to the
> same cell
> > later on, Taylor is shown prominently from that point on.
> >
> >
> >
> > One additional thing that has puzzled me as well. When Ursus,
> Zaius and the
> > Grand Army of the Apes defeat the illusions of the desert, and
> after they
> > see the above-ground ruins of NYC, they run across an opening in
> the ground.
> > .the very same opening to the "Queensboro Plaza" subway station
> that Brent
> > and Nova discovered earlier in the movie! How could that
> be...certainly,
> > they should have found another one, or possibly several others, at
> the
> > above-ground ruins!
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, what are my friends' comments on these?
> >
> >
> >
> > Zach
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7193820.stm>
>
> A little off topic I know but it touches on discussions we've had in
> the past.
>
> Dave

Mad Scientist behaviour is never of topic.
I admit to supporting Genetic research to deal with/cure many Genetic
diseases. Science doesn't frighten me.
People do.
Brendan.

Thanks a lot!

On 1/17/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Just wanted to fix the link.

"My God its a - its a city of apes"!  http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Revisited-Behind-Scenes/dp/0312252390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1

Also, when the Mutant says to Taylor and Brent, "We let our enemies kill each other", Taylor has a look of horror on his face. I always got the impression that he had been forced to fight and kill some of the captured Gorilla scouts.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jenntux" <20thctryfox@...> wrote:
>
> I must agree that showing ESCAPE after PLANET was a stupid idea on
> AMC's part. Who knows what runs through the minds of tv programmers.
>
> On to your question about Taylor's whereabouts after disappearing
> into the mirage. I think it is safe to say that he experienced
> pretty much what Brent and Nova did. Remember when Taylor asks Brent
> how he got there, Brent replied the same way you did - spaceship,
> ape-city, subway. Taylor made no comment to contradict Brent's
> assumption of a similar path, so one must conclude that Taylor went
> through just that. It would have been cool to see some those goings-
> on but if you recall, it was in Heston's deal to kill off Taylor.
> Most of the original drafts had Taylor expiring before the second
> act and that would have been unsatisfying. So a compromise was
> reached, Taylor will appear in the first act then disappear. Only to
> reappear in the end just in time to destroy the planet; Heston's
> idea by the way. If you don't already have it, you should pick
> up "Planet of the Apes Revisited", link below. This book is loaded
> with cool behind the scenes knowledge. It is an absolute must for
> any Apes fan. I hope this helped clear up some of your query.
>
> "My God its a - its a city of apes"!
> http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Revisited-Behind-
> Scenes/dp/0312252390/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?
> ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" Zasco1957@ wrote:
> >
> > Why would AMC have shown ESCAPE following PLANET? That was
> ridiculous!
> >
> >
> >
> > I have another question or two BENEATH me:
> >
> >
> >
> > I had wondered anyone here has ever wondered as to what became of
> Taylor
> > after he disappeared into that rock wall illusion...it would be
> nice if
> > Hunter, or Kassidy, or someone could do a story showing what may
> have
> > happened:
> >
> >
> >
> > Did Taylor end up in one of the many subway tunnels after he
> passed through
> > the illusion...and could he have possibly heard that "hum", maybe
> the same
> > one (or possibly a different version) that Brent and Nova would
> eventually
> > hear, after their narrow escape from the gorilla guards?
> >
> >
> >
> > Did he end up in front of the half-melted water fountain (next to
> the
> > equally-half-melted East 51sy Street sign, outside of what was
> once St.
> > Patrick's Cathedral? Was he given telepathic messages by Mendez
> or one of
> > the other leaders to remain in front of the cathedral and wait for
> some
> > guards...who then took him to the "Inquisition Room" (a portion of
> the
> > former Grand Central Station terminal) where he was "questioned"
> by Albina,
> > Mendez XXVI, Adiposo (the Fat Man), Ongaro (the Negro), and
> Caspay? And,
> > when they couldn't get anything out of him regarding the pending
> Ape Army
> > invasion, then he was placed in a cell?
> >
> >
> >
> > Taylor isn't shown but once, briefly, when Brent is interrogated
> by the
> > mutant council in the "Room" (part of the former Grand Central
> Station
> > terminal). And then, of course, when Brent is escorted to the
> same cell
> > later on, Taylor is shown prominently from that point on.
> >
> >
> >
> > One additional thing that has puzzled me as well. When Ursus,
> Zaius and the
> > Grand Army of the Apes defeat the illusions of the desert, and
> after they
> > see the above-ground ruins of NYC, they run across an opening in
> the ground.
> > .the very same opening to the "Queensboro Plaza" subway station
> that Brent
> > and Nova discovered earlier in the movie! How could that
> be...certainly,
> > they should have found another one, or possibly several others, at
> the
> > above-ground ruins!
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyway, what are my friends' comments on these?
> >
> >
> >
> > Zach
> >
>

I thought this was pretty good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHufrsP9XMA


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The baboons have taken over the area!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADm6Hoj5VSA


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In a message dated 1/15/2008 12:07:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Whether
it's STAR TREK, STAR WARS, APES or whatever, there's always a bunch
that are obsessed with fixing discrepancies. I guess there's a fun to
it that escapes me, but after you've figured out how to fix it all it's
still the way it is. You can't change what's done.

 

I watch the second Trek pilot the other day.

The one where the dude with the weird eyes makes

a grave for Capt. Kirk.  On the tombstone his middle

initial wasn't even T.  Lets see them explain how an

omnipotent being can't even spell his name right. Or

maybe Kirk changed his name so death couldn't

look him up in the intergalactic phonebook.

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Several files contributed by Jeff Locklear, previously in the PotA Cartoons folder, are now available on the Downloads page of the Group Website. Thanks again to Jeff for sharing these with us.

While you're visiting the Group Website check out the Videos page. A video of the CBS Friday Night Movie Opening featuring Planet of the Apes is now available as is a new Mego Commercials video.

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> Let's hope it's better than "Congo".

I just watched that a couple of days ago. What a waste (of my time
and of film).

"Pierce Brosnan says on his website, "I'm off to South Africa to make
"Vanilla Gorilla", an adventure film about an albino gorilla that has
the capacity to speak through sign language. It's the story of a father
and daughter who find themselves on an adventure of a lifetime as they
try to restructure their relationship after the loss of their
mother/wife".
Let's hope it's better than "Congo". Actually, let's hope it's better
than pretty much every recent movie that has features apes. Jeff"

Let's hope they change the title, because that sounds like a kid's
movie... "Vanilla gorilla for sale!" In fact, I'll bet it is a kid's
movie. I'm gonna go see what I can find out about it at IMDB.

Anyway, a friend of mine has warned me.... stay away from
"Cloverfield"! IT SUCKS!!!! I guess you were right about that one,
Veetus!

-- Rory




____________

"> Let's hope it's better than "Congo".

I just watched that a couple of days ago. What a waste (of my time
and of film)."

Yeah, it really was stupid shit (and the book sucked too)... but at
least it had a Jerry Goldsmith score!!!! Something no new movie will
ever have.

I MISS YOU JERRY GOLDSMITH!!!!!!!!

-- Rory


____________

Here's plot info on VANILLA GORILLA:

"A New York girl befriends Gogo, the world's only living albino
gorilla. Through sign language they communicate and bond, and their
ensuing trans-African quest to return Gogo to the wild puts ruthless
poachers, determined CNN reporters, and one very concerned parent on
their tail."

Sounds like it should be fun for ten-year-olds of all ages. Well,
let's just hope the kid and the gorilla remember one very important
thing: Don't leave the suitcase!

Here's an image of the poster (They always make posters now before they
make the movie):

http://imdb.com/gallery/ss/1127352/iid_1413018.jpg.htmlpath=gallery&path_key=1127352&seq=2

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 10:43 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "Vanilla Gorilla"

"Pierce Brosnan says on his website, "I'm off to South Africa to make
"Vanilla Gorilla", an adventure film about an albino gorilla that has
the capacity to speak through sign language. It's the story of a father
and daughter who find themselves on an adventure of a lifetime as they
try to restructure their relationship after the loss of their
mother/wife" .
Let's hope it's better than "Congo". Actually, let's hope it's better
than pretty much every recent movie that has features apes. Jeff"

Let's hope they change the title, because that sounds like a kid's
movie... "Vanilla gorilla for sale!" In fact, I'll bet it is a kid's
movie. I'm gonna go see what I can find out about it at IMDB.

Anyway, a friend of mine has warned me.... stay away from
"Cloverfield" ! IT SUCKS!!!! I guess you were right about that one,
Veetus!

-- Rory

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More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 11:02 AM

Subject: [pota] Vanilla Gorilla for Sale!

Here's plot info on VANILLA GORILLA:

"A New York girl befriends Gogo, the world's only living albino
gorilla. Through sign language they communicate and bond, and their
ensuing trans-African quest to return Gogo to the wild puts ruthless
poachers, determined CNN reporters, and one very concerned parent on
their tail."

Sounds like it should be fun for ten-year-olds of all ages. Well,
let's just hope the kid and the gorilla remember one very important
thing: Don't leave the suitcase!

Here's an image of the poster (They always make posters now before they
make the movie):

http://imdb. com/gallery/ ss/1127352/ iid_1413018. jpg.html path=gallery& path_key= 1127352&seq= 2

-- Rory

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"But there's a trailer for the new "Star Trek" movie (by
"Cloverfield"'s Abrams) on Youtube that looks pretty good (what you can
see of it). You can link to it at www.aintitcool.com . Jeff"

That's just a teaser trailer, and looks to me like the same ol' "Star
Trek is so awesome" tired stuff. I have serious doubts this new Star
Trek will be any good.

-- Rory



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Thanks for the great responses regarding my question BENEATH me, you, my Apester friends, are the greatest!   Zach

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I have a copy of Planet Of The Apes Revisited, it was a fascinating account of behind-the-scenes on BENEATH. Thanks, anyway!   Zach      -------Original Message-------   From: Eric Tuxen Date: 1/17/2008 10:08:34 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Hi...and another question BENEATH me...   Thanks a lot! On 1/17/08, James <JamesA1102@aol. com> wrote: Just wanted to fix the link. "My God its a - its a city of apes"!  http://www.amazon. com/Planet- Apes-Revisited- Behind-Scenes/ dp/0312252390/ ref=pd_bbs_ sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1 Also, when the Mutant says to Taylor and Brent, "We let our enemies kill each other", Taylor has a look of horror on his face. I always got the impression that he had been forced to fight and kill some of the captured Gorilla scouts. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "jenntux" <20thctryfox@ ...> wrote: > > I must agree that showing ESCAPE after PLANET was a stupid idea on > AMC's part. Who knows what runs through the minds of tv programmers. > > On to your question about Taylor's whereabouts after disappearing > into the mirage. I think it is safe to say that he experienced > pretty much what Brent and Nova did. Remember when Taylor asks Brent > how he got there, Brent replied the same way you did - spaceship, > ape-city, subway. Taylor made no comment to contradict Brent's > assumption of a similar path, so one must conclude that Taylor went > through just that. It would have been cool to see some those goings- > on but if you recall, it was in Heston's deal to kill off Taylor. > Most of the original drafts had Taylor expiring before the second > act and that would have been unsatisfying. So a compromise was > reached, Taylor will appear in the first act then disappear. Only to > reappear in the end just in time to destroy the planet; Heston's > idea by the way. If you don't already have it, you should pick > up "Planet of the Apes Revisited", link below. This book is loaded > with cool behind the scenes knowledge. It is an absolute must for > any Apes fan. I hope this helped clear up some of your query. > > "My God its a - its a city of apes"! > http://www.amazon. com/Planet- Apes-Revisited- Behind- > Scenes/dp/031225239 0/ref=pd_ bbs_sr_1? > ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200572164&sr=8-1 > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" Zasco1957@ wrote: > > > > Why would AMC have shown ESCAPE following PLANET? That was > ridiculous! > > > > > > > > I have another question or two BENEATH me: > > > > > > > > I had wondered anyone here has ever wondered as to what became of > Taylor > > after he disappeared into that rock wall illusion...it would be > nice if > > Hunter, or Kassidy, or someone could do a story showing what may > have > > happened: > > > > > > > > Did Taylor end up in one of the many subway tunnels after he > passed through > > the illusion...and could he have possibly heard that "hum", maybe > the same > > one (or possibly a different version) that Brent and Nova would > eventually > > hear, after their narrow escape from the gorilla guards? > > > > > > > > Did he end up in front of the half-melted water fountain (next to > the > > equally-half- melted East 51sy Street sign, outside of what was > once St. > > Patrick's Cathedral? Was he given telepathic messages by Mendez > or one of > > the other leaders to remain in front of the cathedral and wait for > some > > guards...who then took him to the "Inquisition Room" (a portion of > the > > former Grand Central Station terminal) where he was "questioned" > by Albina, > > Mendez XXVI, Adiposo (the Fat Man), Ongaro (the Negro), and > Caspay? And, > > when they couldn't get anything out of him regarding the pending > Ape Army > > invasion, then he was placed in a cell? > > > > > > > > Taylor isn't shown but once, briefly, when Brent is interrogated > by the > > mutant council in the "Room" (part of the former Grand Central > Station > > terminal). And then, of course, when Brent is escorted to the > same cell > > later on, Taylor is shown prominently from that point on. > > > > > > > > One additional thing that has puzzled me as well. When Ursus, > Zaius and the > > Grand Army of the Apes defeat the illusions of the desert, and > after they > > see the above-ground ruins of NYC, they run across an opening in > the ground. > > .the very same opening to the "Queensboro Plaza" subway station > that Brent > > and Nova discovered earlier in the movie! How could that > be...certainly, > > they should have found another one, or possibly several others, at > the > > above-ground ruins! > > > > > > > > Anyway, what are my friends' comments on these? > > > > > > > > Zach > > >

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:01 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Another Video

Kevin, they were originally called "Monkey'ed Movies", and they were
shown on TBS during commercial breaks. Then they turned them into a
short-lived half-hour show called "The Chimp Channel". The spoofs
were always good for a laugh. Glad you enjoyed it!

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
>
> I remember that TBS used to have a half-hour show that came on
right after WCW that had apes running a television station.? I forgot
the name of the program,
> but they did spoof of popular movies and television shows.? That
clip brought back some memories.
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff <RedSpy13@.. .>
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 3:42 pm
> Subject: [pota] Another Video
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> Greetings, everyone. This one is great! Enjoy!
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> Jeff (RedSpy)
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Yesterday we're just talking about VANILLA GORILLA and coincidently
today comes this news:

LOS ANGELES (Jan. 19) - Allan Melvin, a character actor best known for
playing Sam the Butcher on "The Brady Bunch," has died. He was 84.
Melvin died of cancer Thursday at his home in the Brentwood section of
Los Angeles, said Amalia Melvin, his wife of 64 years. He saw steady
employment as a voice actor from the early 1960s to the early 1990s,
most famously providing the voice of "Magilla Gorilla" for the Hanna
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There's a show on the History Channel this Monday night at 9PM everyone
should check out:

http://www.history.com/minisites/life_after_people


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>>Thank you for that. :0) <<

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>>I find it interesting that Warner Brothers licenced the Goldsmith

POTA
music for the Blade Runner workprint on dvd, which is essentially a
bonus disc, not the main feature, yet Fox couldn't licence Goldsmith's
theme from Patton, a Fox film, for their WKRP set, and replaced it.

It's very strange to see Rutger Hauer chasing Harrison Ford to "Ba da
da da dun dun" <<
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>>One of my pet peeves, along with misusage of "I" and "me".

<< <.html

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>>Working or non-working version? <<

>>Alpha Omega bomb (from BENEATH)?complete with both control

consoles.<.html

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>>I've often thought of putting an ad in an LA publication looking

for all those human and ape extras! There must still be some around ! crew members too!! hopefully they would have some behind the scenes photos! <<<.html

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>>You should be able to pick up the wrappers and chase cards on Ebay.

They
come up there occasionally.

If you're refering to the Archives set binder that is much harder to
find. I have one but you'll have to kill me to get it;-)  <<<.html

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>>The re-issue of some of the Megos is suposed to be later this year,

but, being the gnarled, cynical old Apes fan that I am, I'm prepared fully for delay and disappointment. <<<.html

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>>I recently mentioned the issue of Life from 1967 with the article

and
pictures about a movie coming out soon called PLANET OF THE APES....

Here it is for sale on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay. com/AUGUST- 18-1967-LIFE- MAG-VERUSCHKA_ W0QQitemZ1400185 60700QQihZ004QQc ategoryZ280QQrdZ 1QQssPageNameZWD 1VQQcmdZViewItem ?_trksid= p1638.m118 <<<.html

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>>I just discovered this cool web page about Leon Shamroy, just in

case
anyone here cares:

http://www.cinemato graphers. nl/GreatDoPh/ shamroy.htm <<<.html

"Didn't someone here once say how it annoyed him when people said
'alot' instead of 'a lot'?

Chris L."

No, not when they said "alot," when they WROTE "alot."


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If it's a working model I'll never ring your doorbell with an Ursus mask on...

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 1/20/2008 8:18:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

Do you really need to ask?   ;-)

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

"stenosaurus@ aol.com" <stenosaurus@ aol.com> wrote:

 

>>Working or non-working version? <<

 

 

I wrote:

 

>>Alpha Omega bomb (from BENEATH)?complete with both control consoles

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Yep.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> The same "Ba da da da dun dun" when Taylor, Dodge, and Landon were
making
> that final ascension before finding the valley, and that was also
used at
> the end of CONQUEST, I take it?
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> >>I find it interesting that Warner Brothers licenced the Goldsmith
POTA
> music for the Blade Runner workprint on dvd, which is essentially a
> bonus disc, not the main feature, yet Fox couldn't licence
Goldsmith's
> theme from Patton, a Fox film, for their WKRP set, and replaced it.
>
> It's very strange to see Rutger Hauer chasing Harrison Ford to "Ba
da
> da da dun dun" <<
>

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In a message dated 1/20/2008 7:18:24 P.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

Didn't someone here once say how it annoyed him when people said 'alot' instead of 'a lot'?

 

Let's not start that one again.

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I read in the paper today about a 'Fox survey' on the most popular
weapons in movies (scock, gasp, the lightsaber won!) and I was
surprised by the concept of Fox listening and accepting data/comment
from outside the shitforbrainstrust that seems to rule their
production dept.Still, the idea clearly exists, so how would we go
about tapping into this new channel of reason and mount a campaign to
get a proper Apes movie made? Is there a way of talking to Fox? John,
Scrolls.

>
> Yep.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@> wrote:
> >
> > The same "Ba da da da dun dun" when Taylor, Dodge, and Landon

were

> making
> > that final ascension before finding the valley, and that was also
> used at
> > the end of CONQUEST, I take it?
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
> >
> >
> > "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > >>I find it interesting that Warner Brothers licenced the

Goldsmith

> POTA
> > music for the Blade Runner workprint on dvd, which is essentially

a

> > bonus disc, not the main feature, yet Fox couldn't licence
> Goldsmith's
> > theme from Patton, a Fox film, for their WKRP set, and replaced

it.

> >
> > It's very strange to see Rutger Hauer chasing Harrison Ford

to "Ba

> da
> > da da dun dun" <<
> >
>

I would like to reassure any ocelot members of the group that there is
nothing personal in this thread.John, Scrolls.

>
> "Didn't someone here once say how it annoyed him when people said
> 'alot' instead of 'a lot'?
>
> Chris L."
>
> No, not when they said "alot," when they WROTE "alot."
>
>
>

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OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just discovered
a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox is
looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel,
unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --Ugh!
Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows if this
is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported elsewhere, so...
"Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"

Here are the links:

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10408

http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/12/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-in-the-works/

-- Rory


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Well, with "Cloverfield" taking in $41 mill last weekend some website
was bound to remind us of these:

http://www.maxim.com/Entertainment/Moviesthatmanglethestatueoflibertydeepimpact/slideshow/11757/673.aspx


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Maybe THAT'S why Caesar's statue is crying? Oddly enough, the current
SFX Magazine has a brief feature with Tim Roth about his upcoming
role as the Abomination and he speaks really fondly of his role as
Thade, saying he really enjoyed doing that role.As for a 'prequel',
could that be taking up from where the first one ended, with Leo back
on Thade's world--or could it be Thade arriving in the middle of
Gettysburg and tipping the fight in favour of the South?! We dread to
think.John, Scrolls.

>
> OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just

discovered

> a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox is
> looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel,
> unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --

Ugh!

> Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows if

this

> is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported elsewhere,

so...

> "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"
>
> Here are the links:
>
> http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10408
>
> http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/12/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-in-

the-works/

>
> -- Rory
>
>
>

__________

Maybe THAT'S why Caesar's statue is crying? Oddly enough, the current
SFX Magazine has a brief feature with Tim Roth about his upcoming
role as the Abomination and he speaks really fondly of his role as
Thade, saying he really enjoyed doing that role.As for a 'prequel',
could that be taking up from where the first one ended, with Leo back
on Thade's world--or could it be Thade arriving in the middle of
Gettysburg and tipping the fight in favour of the South?! We dread to
think.John, Scrolls.

>
> OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just

discovered

> a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox is
> looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel,
> unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --

Ugh!

> Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows if

this

> is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported elsewhere,

so...

> "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"
>
> Here are the links:
>
> http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10408
>
> http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/12/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-in-

the-works/

>
> -- Rory
>
>
>

__________

It sounds like FOX may be interested in trying to relaunch the franchise ala "Batman Returns" and "Casino Royale". However, it seems odd that they would try to revive Burton's POTA universe. All the recent marketing efforts from the Sideshow figures to the Revolution comic have been in the Classic universe. That's what fans want.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just discovered
> a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox is
> looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel,
> unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --Ugh!
> Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows if this
> is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported elsewhere, so...
> "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"
>
> Here are the links:
>
> http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10408
>
> http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/12/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-in-the-works/
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:07 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly Head

It sounds like FOX may be interested in trying to relaunch the franchise ala "Batman Returns" and "Casino Royale". However, it seems odd that they would try to revive Burton's POTA universe. All the recent marketing efforts from the Sideshow figures to the Revolution comic have been in the Classic universe. That's what fans want.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just discovered
> a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox is
> looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel,
> unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --Ugh!
> Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows if this
> is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported elsewhere, so...
> "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"
>
> Here are the links:
>
> http://www.bloody- disgusting. com/news/ 10408
>
> http://www.filmjunk .com/2007/ 11/12/planet- of-the-apes- prequel-in- the-works/
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ______
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It's difficult to gauge a movie's potential from other related
media.The Apes merchandise in 1974/5 was immense, leaving a lasting
mark, but the related tv series failed.The Marvel magazine was also
one of the more succesful black and whites of the era.Phantom Menace
nearly brought down a publishing house the merchandising tanked so
badly. Spider-Man did a billion at the box office but barely rippled
the comic sales--the comic sales only improved with a new
writer.There never has been a mega succesful Star Trek comic, despite
the series enduring popularity and even Star Wars is a marginal,
specialist comic, not in the true mainstream.The one clear fact is
that the original five classic movies did great business,
establishing a gilt edged guarantee of success that even Burton's
movie didn't defeat--the 2001 still made big bucks.I think, somehow,
Fox needs to be told that it has and could breed from a Classic Apes
cash cow that could shit money for them for years. John.

>
> Well, the "classic" stuff hasn't sold either (maybe thanks to

Burton's flick). If that was back in November the rumor probably
would've been more widespread by now, if they were publicly looking
for directors. Then again, with all their franchises going down in
flames ("Fantastic 4", "Alien vs. Predator", that dragon thing) I'd
think they'd be looking at POTA again. Enough time has passed since
Burton they could just start from scratch. Jeff

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:07 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly

Head

>
>
>
> It sounds like FOX may be interested in trying to relaunch the

franchise ala "Batman Returns" and "Casino Royale". However, it seems
odd that they would try to revive Burton's POTA universe. All the
recent marketing efforts from the Sideshow figures to the Revolution
comic have been in the Classic universe. That's what fans want.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just

discovered

> > a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox

is

> > looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel,
> > unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --

Ugh!

> > Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows

if this

> > is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported

elsewhere, so...

> > "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"
> >
> > Here are the links:
> >
> > http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10408
> >
> > http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/12/planet-of-the-apes-prequel-

in-the-works/

> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >

__________

It didn't? I know the Revolution comic didn't sell as well as expected but that was more of a distribution problem.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, the "classic" stuff hasn't sold either (maybe thanks to Burton's flick).

It's laughable, but the rumours may have a sick logical
truth.Hollywood is ironically, unimaginative.Prequels are a trendy
happening.The Trek movie is the most obviuos example.Fox are one of
the more derivative studios who love to copy.
I can well believe someone talked about an Apes prequel.whether it
will eventuate is another thing entirely. I hope not.
Having just read a Biography of Peter Jackson and the response he
got in 1993 when Apes was in Production Hell, I think that Apes
would fair better if Fox sold the Franchise.
Jackson floated the continuation of the series in the original
universe. Even had Roddy McDowall lined up to reprise an older
Cornelius.( I do not know how he planned to deal with continuity)But
Fox Exec's couldn't give a Monkeys for the idea until too late. They
went back to Jackson after rejecting him twice.He then rejected them
as he had Rings at that stage.
Years later we got Burton's bowel movement.

As to whether the films have a market? Tough call. I see the Ape
merchandise as a slow seller.Low prices and still unwanted.Sideshow
figures are always on ebay at dirt cheap prices.Perhaps the backlash
for the Burton Dysentry. The Phantom Menace did kill an awful lot of
Collecters businessesssss. I speak from experience.

Still, I want another Apes film or Series and would be prepared to
be pleasantly surprised.

Brendan.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
>
> It's difficult to gauge a movie's potential from other related
> media.The Apes merchandise in 1974/5 was immense, leaving a
lasting
> mark, but the related tv series failed.The Marvel magazine was
also
> one of the more succesful black and whites of the era.Phantom
Menace
> nearly brought down a publishing house the merchandising tanked so
> badly. Spider-Man did a billion at the box office but barely
rippled
> the comic sales--the comic sales only improved with a new
> writer.There never has been a mega succesful Star Trek comic,
despite
> the series enduring popularity and even Star Wars is a marginal,
> specialist comic, not in the true mainstream.The one clear fact is
> that the original five classic movies did great business,
> establishing a gilt edged guarantee of success that even Burton's
> movie didn't defeat--the 2001 still made big bucks.I think,
somehow,
> Fox needs to be told that it has and could breed from a Classic
Apes
> cash cow that could shit money for them for years. John.
> >
> > Well, the "classic" stuff hasn't sold either (maybe thanks to
> Burton's flick). If that was back in November the rumor probably
> would've been more widespread by now, if they were publicly
looking
> for directors. Then again, with all their franchises going down in
> flames ("Fantastic 4", "Alien vs. Predator", that dragon thing)
I'd
> think they'd be looking at POTA again. Enough time has passed
since
> Burton they could just start from scratch. Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: James
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:07 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its
Ugly
> Head
> >
> >
> >
> > It sounds like FOX may be interested in trying to relaunch the
> franchise ala "Batman Returns" and "Casino Royale". However, it
seems
> odd that they would try to revive Burton's POTA universe. All the
> recent marketing efforts from the Sideshow figures to the
Revolution
> comic have been in the Classic universe. That's what fans want.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just
> discovered
> > > a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that
Fox
> is
> > > looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes"
prequel,
> > > unfortunately not to any of the original films but the
remake --
> Ugh!
> > > Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who
knows
> if this
> > > is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported
> elsewhere, so...
> > > "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?"
> > >
> > > Here are the links:
> > >
> > > http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/10408
> > >
> > > http://www.filmjunk.com/2007/11/12/planet-of-the-apes-
prequel-
> in-the-works/
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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And will go online thursday! Thank you all for the support and friendship!

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
    Will Slay...
       Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and

"As to whether the films have a market? Tough call. I see the Ape
merchandise as a slow seller. Low prices and still unwanted. Sideshow
figures are always on ebay at dirt cheap prices."

It's terrible that such things even have to be considered! Back in the
"olden days" when I was a kid you didn't get any "merchandise" from a
film unless it had already been a hit! Now, that's the first thing
they think of before even the script has been written! It's greed,
dammit! Naked, merciless greed! They'll spend all this time and
effort on how much they're going to milk the thing, and meanwhile no
one with any brains is noticing the movie they're making sucks ass!

-- Rory


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Yes- Finally <sorry for the wait!>, my fellow Simians! The final
episode of the BrokenSea expanded adaption of Planet of the Apes will
be online this Thursday!

And yes...There will be more soon...

This, just after Brad Renfro died last week at age 25. And with the
biggest role of his career coming this summer too.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080122/ap_on_en_mo/obit_ledger;_ylt=AiZjDFWi95hcuOhb52NI96Os0NUE


Disturbing.


Chris L.

Thanks Bill,

I look forward to hearing it.

And a big thank you to ALL that have contributed and persevered with
the Audio. The road to and from the Planet of the Apes is littered
with far too many projects abandoned and canceled before they reached
their natural conclusion. I'm so glad this wasn't one of them.

Bill, if you ever visit England, Simian Scrolls will see to it that
you get a knighthood :0)

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "billhollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Yes- Finally <sorry for the wait!>, my fellow Simians! The final
> episode of the BrokenSea expanded adaption of Planet of the Apes will
> be online this Thursday!
>
> And yes...There will be more soon...
>

On Jan 23, 2008 3:39 AM, Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill,

I look forward to hearing it.

And a big thank you to ALL that have contributed and persevered with
the Audio. The road to and from the Planet of the Apes is littered
with far too many projects abandoned and canceled before they reached
their natural conclusion. I'm so glad this wasn't one of them.

Bill, if you ever visit England, Simian Scrolls will see to it that
you get a knighthood :0)

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "billhollweg" <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Yes- Finally <sorry for the wait!>, my fellow Simians! The final
> episode of the BrokenSea expanded adaption of Planet of the Apes will
> be online this Thursday!
>
> And yes...There will be more soon...
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
    Will Slay...
       Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and

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Posted by: "brendan486" nzape@... brendan486
Having just read a Biography of Peter Jackson and the response he
got in 1993 when Apes was in Production Hell, I think that Apes
would fair better if Fox sold the Franchise.
Jackson floated the continuation of the series in the original
universe. Even had Roddy McDowall lined up to reprise an older
Cornelius.( I do not know how he planned to deal with continuity)

Yeah, Fox was stupid for not letting that one go forward.

Are you sure about him playing Cornelius, though?  I got a feeling from the book that McDowall was going to be playing a fourth ape--a gray-haired artist--and that the movie was set to take place after Battle.

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Yeah, You're right Rich. It was a Cornelius like character, but older
and set after Battle. Damn, I must have subconsciously been wanting to
play havoc with your Time Line...

Where does Lancelot Link fit in? 8-)

Brendan.

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Was at the library today and decided to take a look at the New York Times archives to see if I could determine if The Liberator ever aired in 1974.

According to the TV series DVD booklet, "Up Above the World so High" aired on 12/6/74 and all other episodes can be accounted for in the previous weeks. Looking at the Times TV pages for 12/13/74 (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/NYT121374.jpg) aired a repeat of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" on that night at 8PM. The next week, 12/20/74, Planet of the Apes is listed as a repeat guest starring Royal Dano, presumably a repeat of the premiere episode.

So it is still a mystery if The Liberator ever aired on CBS but so far the available evidence indicates that it did not.

James, from everything I have read on the subject, "The Liberator"
aired in the UK, but never in the states.

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Was at the library today and decided to take a look at the New York
> Times archives to see if I could determine if The Liberator ever aired
> in 1974.
>
> According to the TV series DVD booklet, "Up Above the World so High"
> aired on 12/6/74 and all other episodes can be accounted for in the
> previous weeks. Looking at the Times TV pages for 12/13/74
> (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/NYT121374.jpg
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/NYT121374.jpg> ) aired a
> repeat of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" on that night at 8PM. The
> next week, 12/20/74, Planet of the Apes is listed as a repeat guest
> starring Royal Dano, presumably a repeat of the premiere episode.
>
> So it is still a mystery if The Liberator ever aired on CBS but so far
> the available evidence indicates that it did not.
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:17 PM

Subject: [pota] The Liberator. Still a mystery!

Was at the library today and decided to take a look at the New York Times archives to see if I could determine if The Liberator ever aired in 1974.

According to the TV series DVD booklet, "Up Above the World so High" aired on 12/6/74 and all other episodes can be accounted for in the previous weeks. Looking at the Times TV pages for 12/13/74 (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ files/NYT121374. jpg) aired a repeat of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" on that night at 8PM. The next week, 12/20/74, Planet of the Apes is listed as a repeat guest starring Royal Dano, presumably a repeat of the premiere episode.

So it is still a mystery if The Liberator ever aired on CBS but so far the available evidence indicates that it did not.

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:17 PM

Subject: [pota] The Liberator. Still a mystery!

Was at the library today and decided to take a look at the New York Times archives to see if I could determine if The Liberator ever aired in 1974.

According to the TV series DVD booklet, "Up Above the World so High" aired on 12/6/74 and all other episodes can be accounted for in the previous weeks. Looking at the Times TV pages for 12/13/74 (http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ files/NYT121374. jpg) aired a repeat of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" on that night at 8PM. The next week, 12/20/74, Planet of the Apes is listed as a repeat guest starring Royal Dano, presumably a repeat of the premiere episode.

So it is still a mystery if The Liberator ever aired on CBS but so far the available evidence indicates that it did not.

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This reminds me of the series "Earth 2", which I videotaped every
week. One episode was pre-empted by the Billy Graham Crusade. When
the episodes were repeated, the same episode was again pre-empted by
the Billy Graham Crusade, and then the series was cancelled and not
repeated in reruns. I had to wait until the series came out on DVD
to see that one episode. LOL

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I remember seeing "Up Above the World So High", too. So "The
Liberator" (and "Yes, Virginia") was probably the previous week. Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 3:17 PM
> Subject: [pota] The Liberator. Still a mystery!
>
>
>
> Was at the library today and decided to take a look at the New
York Times archives to see if I could determine if The Liberator ever
aired in 1974.
>
> According to the TV series DVD booklet, "Up Above the World so
High" aired on 12/6/74 and all other episodes can be accounted for in
the previous weeks. Looking at the Times TV pages for 12/13/74
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/NYT121374.jpg) aired a
repeat of "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" on that night at 8PM. The
next week, 12/20/74, Planet of the Apes is listed as a repeat guest
starring Royal Dano, presumably a repeat of the premiere episode.
>
> So it is still a mystery if The Liberator ever aired on CBS but
so far the available evidence indicates that it did not.
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Rich Handley

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:41 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 3893

Posted by: "brendan486" nzape@btinternet. com brendan486
Having just read a Biography of Peter Jackson and the response he
got in 1993 when Apes was in Production Hell, I think that Apes
would fair better if Fox sold the Franchise.
Jackson floated the continuation of the series in the original
universe. Even had Roddy McDowall lined up to reprise an older
Cornelius.( I do not know how he planned to deal with continuity)

Yeah, Fox was stupid for not letting that one go forward.

Are you sure about him playing Cornelius, though?  I got a feeling from the book that McDowall was going to be playing a fourth ape--a gray-haired artist--and that the movie was set to take place after Battle.

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According to IMBD, 'Yes Virginia' aired on 12/6/74. But that is the date "Up Above the World so High" aired.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0392925/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Of course it aired; I saw it. It was up against the show "Yes Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus". So whenever "Virginia" aired in 1974, that's when "The Liberator" aired. I remember it distinctly because I was pissed off there weren't very many apes in it. Jeff
>

It come from the book "Peter Jackson: A Film-Maker's Journey".

http://www.amazon.com/Peter-Jackson-Film-Makers-Brian-Sibley/dp/0007175582/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1201136454&sr=8-1

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Which book is this? I talked to a friend of McDowall's (a big "Apes" fan too) who said Roddy said they never got as far as concepts, just the idea of Roddy and Jackson doing "Apes". The reason is because Joe Roth was head of the studio and didn't want a new "Apes".
>

This is pretty simply to answer, guys.... Because the ratings for APES
was so piss poor, CBS gave its affiliates permission to replace APES
with other programming, at least for one episode. Some markets in the
country did it, others did not. I was living in Ft. Lauderdale at the
time, and the Miami CBS affiliate did not show The Liberator. I guess
the ratings were so bad that even the CBS owned station in NYC rather
show something else, but maybe the show pulled better ratings in LA or
maybe because Fox is in LA CBS didn't dare not show it there? Oh well!
Ancient history now.

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:56 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: The Liberator. mystery solved!

According to IMBD, 'Yes Virginia' aired on 12/6/74. But that is the date "Up Above the World so High" aired.

http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0392925/

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Of course it aired; I saw it. It was up against the show "Yes Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus". So whenever "Virginia" aired in 1974, that's when "The Liberator" aired. I remember it distinctly because I was pissed off there weren't very many apes in it. Jeff
>

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In North Carolina, "Up Above" was preempted then shown
the following week...then the pilot the next
week...then they were gone

--- "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> I remember we had this conversation LONG ago.
> Someone posted the TV Guide pages. I think they had
> "Up Above" two weeks in a row or something. There
> was something that preempted it on the East Coast, I
> think. But in California we got it. Watching those
> episodes for the first time are seared into my
> brain. I remember my er, um, babysitter wanted to
> watch "Virginia" and I wanted to watch POTA, so I
> watched it on another TV and it was a hollow victory
> because there were hardly any apes. Just thinking
> about "Virginia" I have that awful theme song
> playing in my head. Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:56 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: The Liberator. mystery solved!
>
>
>
> According to IMBD, 'Yes Virginia' aired on
> 12/6/74. But that is the date "Up Above the World so
> High" aired.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0392925/
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K."
> <veetus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Of course it aired; I saw it. It was up against
> the show "Yes Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus". So
> whenever "Virginia" aired in 1974, that's when "The
> Liberator" aired. I remember it distinctly because I
> was pissed off there weren't very many apes in it.
> Jeff
> >
>
>
>
>

________________________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Which book is this? I talked to a friend of McDowall's (a

big "Apes" fan too) who said Roddy said they never got as far as
concepts, just the idea of Roddy and Jackson doing "Apes". The
reason is because Joe Roth was head of the studio and didn't want a
new "Apes".

>

The Book is The Authorised Biography of Peter Jackson by Brian
Sibley.In it Jackson says the following...

'Fran ( Walsh) and I had devised a storyline that continued the Apes
saga from where it left of in the fifth movie.We imagined their
world being in the midst of an artistic renaissance, which made the
governement very nervous.It was a time of amazing art and we wanted
Roddy McDowall to play an elderly chimpanzee that we based a little
on Leonardo De Vinci.The plot involved the humans rising in a revolt
and a Half Human, Half Ape central character that was sheltered by
liberal Apes, but hunted down by Gorillas'

Then it goes on to mention that Peter, Fran and Harry Ulfland had
lunch with Roddy who... 'had read their Planet Of The Apes proposal
and had warmed to the fact that they had created a new chimpanzee
character with him in mind and which felt like a comfortable grey-
haired version of Cornelius.'

They then went to Fox Studios with Roddy who gave then a small tour
and trip down memory lane.

Later they met the Execx's who didn't give a damn about Roddy or
Jackson's proposal.

For more snippets, you'll have to buy the book. Available on UK
AMazon still.

Brendan.

Fascinating and exasperating! Oddly enough, given the current
threads, Leuric in Up Above is desccribed as a Leonardo type
character in original outlines.An artistic Roddy would have been a
joy to watch. John, Scrolls.

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Which book is this? I talked to a friend of McDowall's (a
> big "Apes" fan too) who said Roddy said they never got as far as
> concepts, just the idea of Roddy and Jackson doing "Apes". The
> reason is because Joe Roth was head of the studio and didn't want a
> new "Apes".
> >
>
> The Book is The Authorised Biography of Peter Jackson by Brian
> Sibley.In it Jackson says the following...
>
> 'Fran ( Walsh) and I had devised a storyline that continued the

Apes

> saga from where it left of in the fifth movie.We imagined their
> world being in the midst of an artistic renaissance, which made the
> governement very nervous.It was a time of amazing art and we wanted
> Roddy McDowall to play an elderly chimpanzee that we based a little
> on Leonardo De Vinci.The plot involved the humans rising in a

revolt

> and a Half Human, Half Ape central character that was sheltered by
> liberal Apes, but hunted down by Gorillas'
>
> Then it goes on to mention that Peter, Fran and Harry Ulfland had
> lunch with Roddy who... 'had read their Planet Of The Apes proposal
> and had warmed to the fact that they had created a new chimpanzee
> character with him in mind and which felt like a comfortable grey-
> haired version of Cornelius.'
>
> They then went to Fox Studios with Roddy who gave then a small tour
> and trip down memory lane.
>
> Later they met the Execx's who didn't give a damn about Roddy or
> Jackson's proposal.
>
> For more snippets, you'll have to buy the book. Available on UK
> AMazon still.
>
> Brendan.
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:27 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: The Liberator. mystery solved!

In North Carolina, "Up Above" was preempted then shown
the following week...then the pilot the next
week...then they were gone

--- "Jeff K." <veetus@earthlink. net> wrote:

> I remember we had this conversation LONG ago.
> Someone posted the TV Guide pages. I think they had
> "Up Above" two weeks in a row or something. There
> was something that preempted it on the East Coast, I
> think. But in California we got it. Watching those
> episodes for the first time are seared into my
> brain. I remember my er, um, babysitter wanted to
> watch "Virginia" and I wanted to watch POTA, so I
> watched it on another TV and it was a hollow victory
> because there were hardly any apes. Just thinking
> about "Virginia" I have that awful theme song
> playing in my head. Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 4:56 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: The Liberator. mystery solved!
>
>
>
> According to IMBD, 'Yes Virginia' aired on
> 12/6/74. But that is the date "Up Above the World so
> High" aired.
>
> http://www.imdb. com/title/ tt0392925/
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K."
> <veetus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Of course it aired; I saw it. It was up against
> the show "Yes Virginia, There Is a Santa Claus". So
> whenever "Virginia" aired in 1974, that's when "The
> Liberator" aired. I remember it distinctly because I
> was pissed off there weren't very many apes in it.
> Jeff
> >
>
>
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 8:31 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly Head

It didn't? I know the Revolution comic didn't sell as well as expected but that was more of a distribution problem.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, the "classic" stuff hasn't sold either (maybe thanks to Burton's flick).

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Hey, that was interesting. Just in time for the 40th Anniversary!

Does anyone still have that link to the web page showing all those
unusual photos from the LIFE photographer in 1967? I've lost it.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 4:00 pm
Subject: [pota] The 1968 film collapsed onto a single image






http://timpickup.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/08_project-presentation/



Last Term's Progress

Planet Of the Apes (1968) collapsed onto a single image.



Each of the 150,000 (roughly) frames from the film, contributes a
single pixel which are lined up one by one from left to right. So each
vertical line constitutes roughly 10 seconds of film footage. The
colored strips relate to different scenes in the film. For example the
green patch is early on when the humans are chased through the forest
by the apes. The pareticular pixel chosen from each frame corresponds
to the position on the screen to which it will be added.










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http://www.slamxhype.com/2008/01/03/planet-of-the-apes-by-dennis-stock

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Hey, that was interesting. Just in time for the 40th Anniversary!
>
> Does anyone still have that link to the web page showing all those
> unusual photos from the LIFE photographer in 1967? I've lost it.
>
> -- Rory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jessica rotich jessicarotich@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 4:00 pm
> Subject: [pota] The 1968 film collapsed onto a single image
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://timpickup.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/08_project-presentation/
>  
>
>
> Last Term's Progress
>
> Planet Of the Apes (1968) collapsed onto a single image.
>
>
>
> Each of the 150,000 (roughly) frames from the film, contributes a
> single pixel which are lined up one by one from left to right. So each
> vertical line constitutes roughly 10 seconds of film footage. The
> colored strips relate to different scenes in the film. For example the
> green patch is early on when the humans are chased through the forest
> by the apes. The pareticular pixel chosen from each frame corresponds
> to the position on the screen to which it will be added.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> #AOLMsgPart_2_6c6cfa8f-a954-4956-aa36-1cb5e5f5a925
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All I can say about this is:   "Damn you!  Damn (FOX) all to hell!" Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of trash as the 2001 "remake"?!  That makes absolutely no sense!   Zach    -------Original Message-------   From: Haristas@... Date: 1/22/2008 12:55:31 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly Head   OK, I don't know if there's anything to this, but I've just discovered a couple of websites and there's a claim of a "rumor" that Fox is looking for a director to helm a "Planet of the Apes" prequel, unfortunately not to any of the original films but the remake --Ugh! Anyway, these rumors date back to last November, so who knows if this is for real? There sure hasn't been anything reported elsewhere, so... "Lawgiver, who knows about this shit?" Here are the links: http://www.bloody- disgusting. com/news/ 10408 http://www.filmjunk .com/2007/ 11/12/planet- of-the-apes- prequel-in- the-works/ -- Rory ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail. aol.com

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> If you go to www.magnumphotos.com and type in planet of the apes in the search field,
> you'll see more photos.

On Jan 24, 2008 4:06 PM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

http://www.slamxhype.com/2008/01/03/planet-of-the-apes-by-dennis-stock

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Hey, that was interesting. Just in time for the 40th Anniversary!
>
> Does anyone still have that link to the web page showing all those
> unusual photos from the LIFE photographer in 1967? I've lost it.
>
> -- Rory
>
> -----Original Message-----

> From: jessica rotich jessicarotich@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com; potadg@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 4:00 pm
> Subject: [pota] The 1968 film collapsed onto a single image
>
>
>
>
>
>
> http://timpickup.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/08_project-presentation/

>  

>
>
> Last Term's Progress
>
> Planet Of the Apes (1968) collapsed onto a single image.
>
>
>
> Each of the 150,000 (roughly) frames from the film, contributes a
> single pixel which are lined up one by one from left to right. So each
> vertical line constitutes roughly 10 seconds of film footage. The
> colored strips relate to different scenes in the film. For example the
> green patch is early on when the humans are chased through the forest
> by the apes. The pareticular pixel chosen from each frame corresponds
> to the position on the screen to which it will be added.
>
>
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Thanks, James, but there was another one posted later that had more
photos on it, such as Lou Wagner on location in Arizona.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 7:06 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: The 1968 film collapsed onto a single image







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"All I can say about this is:

"Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of trash as
the 2001
"remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!

Zach "

"No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at Fox!!!!

Lots of money and no sense!

-- Rory


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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:22 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly Head

"Nothing's sold well."

The DVDs of the classic originals have sold well, and don't you forget
it, Veetus!

-- Rory

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"The DVDs of POTA2001 have sold well, too. A merchandising bonanza it
doesn't make. Veetus"

Does everything have to be a merchandising bonanza? What does it have
to do with watching a movie?

Damn this crass commercialized capitalistic society of ours!

The Forbidden Zone was once a paradise....





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well...IF they do make another film and it has to be from Burton's world...I would prefer a prequel taking place before Wahlberg's arrival as opposed to a sequel taking place on the new earth with gorillas in cop cars......

Haristas@... wrote:

"All I can say about this is:

"Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of trash as
the 2001
"remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!

Zach "

"No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at Fox!!!!

Lots of money and no sense!

-- Rory

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What I didn't like about the ending to the 2001 remake was the statue
of General Thade in the Jefferson Memorial. That didn't make sense
to me, given that Thade and the other apes were on a totally
different planet from Earth. At least, that's the impression I got.
Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> well...IF they do make another film and it has to be from Burton's
world...I would prefer a prequel taking place before Wahlberg's
arrival as opposed to a sequel taking place on the new earth with
gorillas in cop cars......
>
> Haristas@... wrote: "All I can say
about this is:
>
> "Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
> Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of
trash as
> the 2001
> "remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!
>
> Zach "
>
> "No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at Fox!!!!
>
> Lots of money and no sense!
>
> -- Rory
>
>

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"What I didn't like about the ending to the 2001 remake was the statue
of General Thade in the Jefferson Memorial. That didn't make sense
to me, given that Thade and the other apes were on a totally
different planet from Earth. At least, that's the impression I got.

Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
Jeff (RedSpy)"

I think the idea was that Thade was supposed to have escaped in a
second spaceship, presumably to chase Marky-Mark, but the time-warp
thingie sent him back to Earth further back in time. How far back? No
idea. What happened? No idea. I guess a prequel would answer those
questions, but given the state of current cinema I'll bet it'll still
make no sense whatever -- if the rumor is true.

-- Rory



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Are sure it wasn't the Lincoln Memorial? Ape Lincoln? ~Paul

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> What I didn't like about the ending to the 2001 remake was the statue
> of General Thade in the Jefferson Memorial. That didn't make sense
> to me, given that Thade and the other apes were on a totally
> different planet from Earth. At least, that's the impression I got.
> Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > well...IF they do make another film and it has to be from Burton's
> world...I would prefer a prequel taking place before Wahlberg's
> arrival as opposed to a sequel taking place on the new earth with
> gorillas in cop cars......
> >
> > Haristas@ wrote: "All I can say
> about this is:
> >
> > "Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
> > Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of
> trash as
> > the 2001
> > "remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!
> >
> > Zach "
> >
> > "No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at Fox!!!!
> >
> > Lots of money and no sense!
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >

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----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:50 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly Head

What I didn't like about the ending to the 2001 remake was the statue
of General Thade in the Jefferson Memorial. That didn't make sense
to me, given that Thade and the other apes were on a totally
different planet from Earth. At least, that's the impression I got.
Just my opinion, for what it's worth.

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@.. .> wrote:
>
> well...IF they do make another film and it has to be from Burton's
world...I would prefer a prequel taking place before Wahlberg's
arrival as opposed to a sequel taking place on the new earth with
gorillas in cop cars......
>
> Haristas@... wrote: "All I can say
about this is:
>
> "Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
> Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of
trash as
> the 2001
> "remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!
>
> Zach "
>
> "No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at Fox!!!!
>
> Lots of money and no sense!
>
> -- Rory
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> http://webmail. aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ---
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>

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You're right, Paul -- it was the Lincoln Memorial. I realized my
mistake after I sent the message. My bad.

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Paul" <p3murds@...> wrote:
>
> Are sure it wasn't the Lincoln Memorial? Ape Lincoln? ~Paul
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@> wrote:
> >
> > What I didn't like about the ending to the 2001 remake was the
statue
> > of General Thade in the Jefferson Memorial. That didn't make
sense
> > to me, given that Thade and the other apes were on a totally
> > different planet from Earth. At least, that's the impression I
got.
> > Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
> >
> > Jeff (RedSpy)
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > well...IF they do make another film and it has to be from
Burton's
> > world...I would prefer a prequel taking place before Wahlberg's
> > arrival as opposed to a sequel taking place on the new earth with
> > gorillas in cop cars......
> > >
> > > Haristas@ wrote: "All I can say
> > about this is:
> > >
> > > "Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
> > > Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of
> > trash as
> > > the 2001
> > > "remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!
> > >
> > > Zach "
> > >
> > > "No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at
Fox!!!!
> > >
> > > Lots of money and no sense!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >

On 1/22/08, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

And will go online thursday! Thank you all for the support and friendship!

--
Bill Hollweg
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    Will Slay...
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Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
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Yep, he is, and I'm continuing my role as Commander Brent. Which I hope has been up to standers.

This week's entry of CORNELIUS' JOURNAL is now available. 

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BTW Welcome to the group Jeff B.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> Did anyone read the original? The ending was "Americanized" from the French novel. It could've been Earth, it could've been a twin to Earth, Thade could've gone back in time...
>
> Jeff B
>
> Also...Lincoln Memorial not Jefferson
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:50 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: 'Planet of the Apes' Prequel Rears its Ugly Head
>
>
> What I didn't like about the ending to the 2001 remake was the statue
> of General Thade in the Jefferson Memorial. That didn't make sense
> to me, given that Thade and the other apes were on a totally
> different planet from Earth. At least, that's the impression I got.
> Just my opinion, for what it's worth.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" apefan23@ wrote:
> >
> > well...IF they do make another film and it has to be from Burton's
> world...I would prefer a prequel taking place before Wahlberg's
> arrival as opposed to a sequel taking place on the new earth with
> gorillas in cop cars......
> >
> > Haristas@ wrote: "All I can say
> about this is:
> >
> > "Damn you! Damn (FOX) all to hell!"
> > Why in heck would they make a prequel to such a lousy piece of
> trash as
> > the 2001
> > "remake"?! That makes absolutely no sense!
> >
> > Zach "
> >
> > "No Sense" pretty much sums up the corporate mentality at Fox!!!!
> >
> > Lots of money and no sense!
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> > > > More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -
> > http://webmail.aol.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
> >
>

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