--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "steph" <nonnie74@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I just joined the pota group. I'm a huge Planet of the Apes
fan,
> so much so I named my dog Zira. I have alot of action figures, some
of
> them are from the 70s. I have a couple of the soundtracks and movie
> posters from the first 2 movies. My favorite movie is Escape from
> planet of the apes. I'm glad to have found a group that shares in my
> love of all things ape!
>
> Stephanie
>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Jeff <RedSpy13@...> wrote:

Greetings and felicitations, Stephanie. Welcome to the group! You
won't find a nicer bunch of Simians anywhere else!

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "steph" <nonnie74@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I just joined the pota group. I'm a huge Planet of the Apes
fan,
> so much so I named my dog Zira. I have alot of action figures, some
of
> them are from the 70s. I have a couple of the soundtracks and movie
> posters from the first 2 movies. My favorite movie is Escape from
> planet of the apes. I'm glad to have found a group that shares in my
> love of all things ape!
>
> Stephanie
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
>
> Welcome to the group Steph. My favorite ape movie is also Escape.
The ape family welcomes you with open (hairy) arms.
>
> Kevin
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: steph <nonnie74@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 20 Feb 2008 1:24 pm
> Subject: [pota] new member hello
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> Hello, I just joined the pota group. I'm a huge Planet of the Apes
fan,
>
> so much so I named my dog Zira. I have alot of action figures, some
of
>
> them are from the 70s. I have a couple of the soundtracks and movie
>
> posters from the first 2 movies. My favorite movie is Escape from
>
> planet of the apes. I'm glad to have found a group that shares in
my
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> love of all things ape!
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Stephanie,
>
> I enjoy Escape, too. Something about Cornelius popping the guy
with
> the tray to defend his wife's dignity and Apes dressing up to go
out
> on the town. Yup. And I love the carpet bag. And Baby Milo.
>
> Helen
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the group Steph. My favorite ape movie is also
Escape.
> The ape family welcomes you with open (hairy) arms.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: steph <nonnie74@>
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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some
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> > them are from the 70s. I have a couple of the soundtracks and
movie
> >
> > posters from the first 2 movies. My favorite movie is Escape from
> >
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On 2/20/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Hi Stephanie,

I enjoy Escape, too. Something about Cornelius popping the guy with
the tray to defend his wife's dignity and Apes dressing up to go out
on the town. Yup. And I love the carpet bag. And Baby Milo.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
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> Welcome to the group Steph. My favorite ape movie is also Escape.
The ape family welcomes you with open (hairy) arms.
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> Kevin
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: steph <nonnie74@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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of
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> them are from the 70s. I have a couple of the soundtracks and movie
>
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> planet of the apes. I'm glad to have found a group that shares in
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" wrote:

 Apes dressing up to go out on the town.

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I think, personally, that The Lawgiver's status is defined by Battle-- he's a mortal Ape, passing on the tales and lore of Apedom stretching back to Caesar.

 

**** I agree with you 100% that he is a mortal ape, both the original man-hating Lawgiver referred to in PLANET and BENEATH, and the other "peaceful" Lawgiver from BATTLE. However, I do NOT believe they are supposed to be "the same" ape. Yes, they're both called The Lawgiver, and they both are such, but if you believe as I do that BATTLE takes place in a new timeline and things may change or have changed then he is not going to necessarily be the same Lawgiver that wrote the Sacred Scrolls that are followed by Dr. Zaius in PLANET.

 

I believe that as far as the timeline(s) go, they are two seperate timelines (which I know James will disagree with, and that's his perogative.) And, even if the whole thing "is" supposed to be a circular loop, that doesn't necessarily mean that everything will stay the same as it was. Things will change, and the Lawgiver being a man-hater originally and then a peacenick later on are proof of this. ****

 

 

The children call him 'Lawgiver' and the fact that he's speaking to a gathering of children suggests he's more of a teacher than a living god.

 

**** Agreed again. The original Lawgiver is the teacher of the rules that apes are to live by and the one in BATTLE is the teacher of ape and man's rules for coexiting in peace and harmony. ****

 

All this still leaves open the question as to who or what the Lawgiver was a prophet of, of course.

 

**** The original Lawgiver  was the prophet of the dogmas of ape society. The one from BATTLE doesn't count in my eyes. He may have the title, but he isn't the TRUE Lawgiver. ****

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone. I have recently completed my collection of
> original soundtracks from the world of the Apes, and I recommend
that
> you do the same, as the soundtracks are getting harder to find.
Here
> is a link to get the original PLANET, which has a suite included
from
> ESCAPE (as ESCAPE was never released as a full soundtrack):
>
> http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1044429
>
> Here is a link to order the Special Edition of BENEATH:
>
> http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=231
>
> Here is a link to order the soundtracks of CONQUEST & BATTLE, which
> are combined on one CD:
>
> http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=36
>
> And here is a link to order the Tim Burton soundtrack:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/yw6677
>
>
> These are the cheapest prices I have found, and I hope they are
> helpful to you. Apparently, the Lalo Schifrin soundtrack to the TV
> Series is no longer available, as I can find no one who has it for
> sale. I'm glad I got mine when I did. I suggest you order these
CDs
> before the rest of them disappear into the Forbidden Zone. Enjoy,
my
> friends, and Simian Smiles to all!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

>Posted by: "shanter2002" john@... shanter2002
>Has anybody in Apeland got the book 'Films into Books' by Randall D
>Lawson? I'm told it has an interview with Michael Avallone about his
>Beneath novelisation.Apparently he wrote it in 3 days because another
>writer's submitted manuscript was rejected. Which does raise the
>intriguing question as to whether, somewhere, there's a second (first!)
>unpublished manuscript of Beneath to be discovered.The book may also
>have George Effinger in there, but I'm not sure.It's a 1995 book and it
>would be interesting to see the Apes bits. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "valwp" <valwp@...> wrote:
>
> You can find the POTA tv series music at Amazon from their
affiliates
> for crazy prices. Right now they've got two used copies, one for
$175
> and one for $300.00.
>
> So N.C.'s hard on you, Rory? I always wanted to live in Florida.
I'm
> no fan of cold weather and I love the beach - I go to the gulf side
> when I vacation.
>
> Kassidy
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings, everyone. I have recently completed my collection of
> > original soundtracks from the world of the Apes, and I recommend
> that
> > you do the same, as the soundtracks are getting harder to find.
> Here
> > is a link to get the original PLANET, which has a suite included
> from
> > ESCAPE (as ESCAPE was never released as a full soundtrack):
> >
> > http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1044429
> >
> > Here is a link to order the Special Edition of BENEATH:
> >
> > http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=231
> >
> > Here is a link to order the soundtracks of CONQUEST & BATTLE,
which
> > are combined on one CD:
> >
> > http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=36
> >
> > And here is a link to order the Tim Burton soundtrack:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/yw6677
> >
> >
> > These are the cheapest prices I have found, and I hope they are
> > helpful to you. Apparently, the Lalo Schifrin soundtrack to the
TV
> > Series is no longer available, as I can find no one who has it for
> > sale. I'm glad I got mine when I did. I suggest you order these
> CDs
> > before the rest of them disappear into the Forbidden Zone.
Enjoy,
> my
> > friends, and Simian Smiles to all!
> >
> > Jeff (RedSpy)
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
(as ESCAPE was never released as a full soundtrack):
>

> Apparently, the Lalo Schifrin soundtrack to the TV
> Series is no longer available, as I can find no one who has it for
> sale.
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>


I keep seeing a bootleg Escape soundtrack on ebay. Does someone have it
somewhere that you can download it?

Yeah, I've seen the asking price for the Schifrin soundtrack is over
$100 now....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> WOW, Kassidy, those prices are outrageous! Now I'm REALLY glad I
got
> mine when I did. At least you can still get the others for a
> reasonable price, but that might not last much longer, either.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "valwp" <valwp@> wrote:
> >
> > You can find the POTA tv series music at Amazon from their
> affiliates
> > for crazy prices. Right now they've got two used copies, one for
> $175
> > and one for $300.00.
> >
> > So N.C.'s hard on you, Rory? I always wanted to live in Florida.
> I'm
> > no fan of cold weather and I love the beach - I go to the gulf
side
> > when I vacation.
> >
> > Kassidy
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings, everyone. I have recently completed my collection of
> > > original soundtracks from the world of the Apes, and I
recommend
> > that
> > > you do the same, as the soundtracks are getting harder to
find.
> > Here
> > > is a link to get the original PLANET, which has a suite
included
> > from
> > > ESCAPE (as ESCAPE was never released as a full soundtrack):
> > >
> > > http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=1044429
> > >
> > > Here is a link to order the Special Edition of BENEATH:
> > >
> > > http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=231
> > >
> > > Here is a link to order the soundtracks of CONQUEST & BATTLE,
> which
> > > are combined on one CD:
> > >
> > > http://www.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=36
> > >
> > > And here is a link to order the Tim Burton soundtrack:
> > >
> > > http://tinyurl.com/yw6677
> > >
> > >
> > > These are the cheapest prices I have found, and I hope they are
> > > helpful to you. Apparently, the Lalo Schifrin soundtrack to
the
> TV
> > > Series is no longer available, as I can find no one who has it
for
> > > sale. I'm glad I got mine when I did. I suggest you order
these
> > CDs
> > > before the rest of them disappear into the Forbidden Zone.
> Enjoy,
> > my
> > > friends, and Simian Smiles to all!
> > >
> > > Jeff (RedSpy)
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@> wrote:
> (as ESCAPE was never released as a full soundtrack):
> >
>
> > Apparently, the Lalo Schifrin soundtrack to the TV
> > Series is no longer available, as I can find no one who has it for
> > sale.
> > Jeff (RedSpy)
> >
>
>
> I keep seeing a bootleg Escape soundtrack on ebay. Does someone
have it
> somewhere that you can download it?
>
> Yeah, I've seen the asking price for the Schifrin soundtrack is
over
> $100 now....
>

> Good news, fellow simians. I have found a site where you can
> download the Lalo Schifrin TV Series soundtrack. It is a music
> downloading site, where you pay a fee to join (under $20.00), which
> opens your account. All your downloads are then deducted from this
> fee. You can download individual tracks for .10 cents each, or the
> entire album (32 tracks) for only $1.58! I don't know how long the
> soundtrack will last there, so get it while you can.

> Don't know if this is going to be at every Wal-Mart,
> but at the one
> where I work at we received this week a whole bunch
> of trilogy packages
> on DVD, including a Planet of the Apes trilogy
> featuring the first
> three POTA movies. It worked out well for me
> because I was still
> lacking Beneath and Escape.
>
>

And just to remind everyone of ot the prizes they are:

A copy of Urko's wall map recreated by Dave Ballard and suitable for framing.

Along with a printed copy of the Presidential Commission Dossier. The Dossier has only been available in PDF format on Hunter's site (https://pota.goatley.com/misc/briefing-dossier.pdf) but now a limited number have been printed thanks to Dave.

And a set of Dave's Planet of the Apes Bookmarks.

The first prize winner will win all the above.

The second prize winner will win their choice of either the Map or the Dossier plus a set of Bookmarks.

The third prize winner will win a copy of the Dossier and a set of Bookmarks.

The fourth prize winner will win a Medicom Soldier Ape MOC and a set of Bookmarks.

The details of the contest will be announced in the Group on February 29th.

Have a great weekend everybody!

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• The Group Website  - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
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>
>
> >Posted by: "shanter2002" john@... shanter2002
> >Has anybody in Apeland got the book 'Films into Books' by Randall D
> >Lawson? I'm told it has an interview with Michael Avallone about

> >Beneath novelisation.Apparently he wrote it in 3 days because

> >writer's submitted manuscript was rejected. Which does raise the
> >intriguing question as to whether, somewhere, there's a second

> >unpublished manuscript of Beneath to be discovered.The book may

> >have George Effinger in there, but I'm not sure.It's a 1995 book

> >would be interesting to see the Apes bits. John, Scrolls.
>
>
> Fascinating!! Does it say who had written the previous Beneath
> manuscript? Unfortunately, Avallone is dead so we can't ask him

>
> (And welcome to all the new members, by the way.)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> cool! the wal-mart website doesn't have it but does
> have the original POTA doubled with "The Fly"
>
> I know Target sells a triple feature of Planet,
> Beneath and the Burton Planet.......'
>
> see pics
>
>
> Tim
> --- John Lowry jlowry71@... wrote:
>
> > Don't know if this is going to be at every Wal-Mart,
> > but at the one
> > where I work at we received this week a whole bunch
> > of trilogy packages
> > on DVD, including a Planet of the Apes trilogy
> > featuring the first
> > three POTA movies. It worked out well for me
> > because I was still
> > lacking Beneath and Escape.
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>
> There's no place like home - But New York City is pretty cool too!
>
> I'm just back from a short visit and had the chance to see and
> experience such APE related sites as Grand Central, St Patrick's,
> Jerry Ohlinger's' etc.
>
> A wonderful city with wonderful people. I imagine it can be a big
> scary place but good friends helped make it a whole lot smaller.
>
> Big thanks to James and Greg for the hospitality and making the whole
> family feel pretty special.
>
> Enjoy the snow!
>
> Dave B
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> There's no place like home - But New York City is pretty cool too!
>
> I'm just back from a short visit and had the chance to see and
> experience such APE related sites as Grand Central, St Patrick's,
> Jerry Ohlinger's' etc.
>
> A wonderful city with wonderful people. I imagine it can be a big
> scary place but good friends helped make it a whole lot smaller.
>
> Big thanks to James and Greg for the hospitality and making the whole
> family feel pretty special.
>
> Enjoy the snow!
>
> Dave B
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "John Lowry" <jlowry71@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well, this POTA Triple Pack, along with the other triple packs that
we
> received this week, showed up on our scanners as not being on
modular -
> meaning, we really had no designated place to put them on the
shelves.
> We have a section of Academy Award winning movies that I'm thinking
> after this weekend will be taken down and that's where the Triple
Packs
> will be placed. So if you can't find them at your local Wal-Mart
this
> week, maybe next week.
>
> John
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > cool! the wal-mart website doesn't have it but does
> > have the original POTA doubled with "The Fly"
> >
> > I know Target sells a triple feature of Planet,
> > Beneath and the Burton Planet.......'
> >
> > see pics
> >
> >
> > Tim
> > --- John Lowry jlowry71@ wrote:
> >
> > > Don't know if this is going to be at every Wal-Mart,
> > > but at the one
> > > where I work at we received this week a whole bunch
> > > of trilogy packages
> > > on DVD, including a Planet of the Apes trilogy
> > > featuring the first
> > > three POTA movies. It worked out well for me
> > > because I was still
> > > lacking Beneath and Escape.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
__________

>
> Hi Steph,
>
> When did you get your first taste of POTA?
>
>
> **************
> Ideas to please picky
> eaters. Watch video on AOL Living.
>
>

>

On 2/23/08, Jeff <RedSpy13@...> wrote:

Greetings, everyone. Here is a link to order your own replica of the
Lawgiver Statue. I had never seen this replica before, and I think it
looks really cool! Enjoy, and Simian Smiles to all!

http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Detail-Figure-Greatest/dp/B000EEH7TE

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:

3. I think that I'd mentioned this once before, but the worst error
of all was a scene at the end that showed Zira and Cornelius at being
at home in Ape City when the events going on that ultimately led to
the Bomb being activated occurred...which would've made ESCAPE
impossible.

*** You need to remember that when BENEATH was made (and novelized)
that it was to be the last film due to Mr. Heston's insistance that
they blow up the world and hence, end the franchise. There were no
plans for ESCAPE at the time, so the bit you're talking about
wouldn't have mattered anyway. I don't know if that bit was ever
scripted, or if Mr. Avallone just made it up, but whatever the case
is/was regarding that scene: In the context of BENEATH being the only
sequel at that time, and thought to be the last and only sequel at
the time, the scene makes perfect sense. (Plus, add to the fact that
even if the scene really did exist and let's hypothetically say it
was used in the film, I'm sure that Mr. Dehn would have easily
forgotten that fact, just as he convenientally forgot so many others
when scripting the films.) ***

4. A lot of Apesters won't believe this, but there actually WAS a
scene that had been cut out of the movie, when the Army had traveled
through the tunnels en route to the mutant stronghold and, quoting
Avallone, encountered three robed figures hurrying...these had been,
of course, the Fat Man (Adiposo), Caspay and the verger [of the
cathedral]." Under General Ursus' orders, they were brutally gunned
down. This would have been directly in front of the ruined Radio
City Music Hall marquee. This was mentioned in the book. I'm
holding on to my statements about how I well remember seeing that
scene during the theatrical release in the summer of 1970.

*** Hold onto it all you want, but as with some of the other
discrepancies you mentioned in your complete post, this too is not
consistant with the film (or any BENEATH script for that matter.)
BENEATH, just as with the other APES movies when novelized, was
fleshed out with bits created by the author(s), and this scene is one
of those. There is absolutely no evidence of it ever existing in the
film or even a script. It exists nowhere except in the Avallone
novel. Every other deleted scene from BENEATH has at least some proof
that it was scripted, maybe rehearsed, maybe even shot and later
scrapped. Why doesn't this? I can tell you why: It was from the pen
of Michael Avallone and nobody else. ***

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: aboro3085@...
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:16:17 +0000
Subject: [pota] Chimp make-ups in the TV series (Fred C. Blau interview in SCROLLS)

In the interview with Fred Blau in the newest edition of SIMIAN
SCROLLS, the interviewer (Dean Preston) asks him this question: "We've
heard that the main cast for chimps was taken from the face of Woodrow
Parfrey, who appeared in the first episode."

My question goes out to Dean or anyone else who may have heard this
rumor: How could the main cast have been from Woodrow's face when
ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW, while the first episode shown, was not the first
episode filmed? There were two other episodes filmed before ESCAPE FROM
TOMORROW, wouldn't it have made more sense to make the main cast from
someone that was already a guest star on the show (John Hoyt for
example)? Can anyone elaborate on where this rumor stems from and/or
the logic behind it?

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That's one of the Medicom Ultra Detail Figures.

Pics of all the figures can be seen on the Toys page of the group website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Toys.htm.

The complete set can usually found on Ebay. Just do a search for "Medicom Apes".

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone. Here is a link to order your own replica of the
> Lawgiver Statue. I had never seen this replica before, and I think it
> looks really cool! Enjoy, and Simian Smiles to all!
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Apes-Detail-Figure-Greatest/dp/B000EEH7TE
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
>
> > The Lawgiver... Who was he?
>
> ~~~ The Lawgiver was the greatest ape of all. He was the author of
> the Sacred Scrolls, the dogma(s) that the ape society lived by. He
> was a prophet, as evidenced by the line from BENEATH "And grant, in
> the name of your prophet, our great Lawgiver..."~~~
>
> > Was he an organic being?
>
> ~~~ Yes. ~~~
>
> > Did the Great Lawgiver have descendents?
>
> ~~~ My guess would be a big NO. ~~~
>
> > The Apes... Did they worship the Great Lawgiver? Or did they
> follow his teachings? Was he their god, or was he a "prophet"?
>
> ~~~ I don't think they actually "worshipped" him per se, but they
> certainly held him in high regard/esteem. They definitely did
follow
> his teachings, as to disobey them would probably have been
heretical.
>
> As stated above, he was a prophet, believed to have been sent down
by
> God. They did have a God though, as evident in PLANET during the
> trial scene when Dr. Honorius states "The Almighty created the ape
in
> his own image. He gave him a soul and a mind... ~~~
>
> > What did they truly believe to be the roots of their origin?
>
> > … evolution?
> > … creation?
>
> ~~~ Created by their God (see above.) Back to PLANET, during the
> trial scene, Honorius calls evolution "an insidious theory". To say
> that they evolved rather than were created by God was next to (or
> even possibly flat out) heresy. ~~~
>

>
>
> Have to agree with Mike 100% here. And this is what has guided our
> approach to both the 'Lessons from the Lawgiver' and the 'Cornelius'
> Journals'.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> shanter2002 <john@...> wrote: I think, personally, that The
Lawgiver's status is defined by Battle-- he's a mortal Ape, passing
on the tales and lore of Apedom stretching back to Caesar.
>
> **** I agree with you 100% that he is a mortal ape, both the
original man-hating Lawgiver referred to in PLANET and BENEATH, and
the other "peaceful" Lawgiver from BATTLE. However, I do NOT believe
they are supposed to be "the same" ape. Yes, they're both called The
Lawgiver, and they both are such, but if you believe as I do that
BATTLE takes place in a new timeline and things may change or have
changed then he is not going to necessarily be the same Lawgiver that
wrote the Sacred Scrolls that are followed by Dr. Zaius in PLANET.
>
> I believe that as far as the timeline(s) go, they are two
seperate timelines (which I know James will disagree with, and that's
his perogative.) And, even if the whole thing "is" supposed to be a
circular loop, that doesn't necessarily mean that everything will
stay the same as it was. Things will change, and the Lawgiver being a
man-hater originally and then a peacenick later on are proof of this.
****
>
>


Yes, yes, but even if they are one timeline, had the Sacred Scrolls
yet been written in Battle? The Lawgiver may have been peaceful in
the early ape/human relationship. Yet, as time went on and man
regressed (and apes became more advanced) the relationship changed.
If the Lawgiver is organic, then there must have been more than one,
right? Each successor may have been more dogmatic than the previous
Lawgiver and related more to the times than to a basic doctrine.

So then, if so, who/which was the Greatest Ape?

Helen

> Hey everyone, newish member here....HI!
>
> Don't know if this has been posted about but a
> friend of mine..and
> fellow Apes fan...just sent me a link to an Apes
> event coming soon at
> the Lowbrow Gallery in Atlanta, GA. Looks like fun!
> Sigh...If I just
> lived in Atlanta...Darn it!
>
>
>

>
>

Just want to fix the link.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <RedSpy13@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone. Here is the link for an interesting article
> entitled "35 Things You Never Knew About Planet of the Apes". I hope
> you enjoy it. Simian Smiles to all!
>
> http://www.contactmusic.com/new/home.nsf/webpages/planetoftheapes35thingsx19x04x04
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Whatyaknow, when presenting the Makeup Oscar tonight, Katherine
Heigl rattled on about previous winners and concluded with one that
had "apes talking in English". If it's on Heigl's lips, POTA must be
hot again. I also noticed in one of the clip segments they showed the
chimp that presented Chambers with his Oscar. What Chambers hath
wrought, time and George Clooney cannot take away.
>

There were two major snubs as well. During the 'In Memorial' segment, Frank Capra Jr. was not included. Nor was Franklin Schaffner included in the montage of past Best Director winners.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Whatyaknow, when presenting the Makeup Oscar tonight, Katherine Heigl rattled on about previous winners and concluded with one that had "apes talking in English". If it's on Heigl's lips, POTA must be hot again. I also noticed in one of the clip segments they showed the chimp that presented Chambers with his Oscar. What Chambers hath wrought, time and George Clooney cannot take away.
>

I didn't see any.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> What about in the opening, on Hollywood blvd with all the movie
> characters? Where there any apes? It went by so quickly I missed half
> of the characters that were put there.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." veetus@ wrote:
> >
> > Whatyaknow, when presenting the Makeup Oscar tonight, Katherine
> Heigl rattled on about previous winners and concluded with one that
> had "apes talking in English". If it's on Heigl's lips, POTA must be
> hot again. I also noticed in one of the clip segments they showed the
> chimp that presented Chambers with his Oscar. What Chambers hath
> wrought, time and George Clooney cannot take away.
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:23 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "apes" Oscar mention

Did anyone else notice the very brief clip of the little chimp carrying John Chambers Oscar out to him?

 

-- Rory

 

In a message dated 2/25/2008 9:50:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:

There were two major snubs as well. During the 'In Memorial' segment, Frank Capra Jr. was not included. Nor was Franklin Schaffner included in the montage of past Best Director winners.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Whatyaknow, when presenting the Makeup Oscar tonight, Katherine Heigl rattled on about previous winners and concluded with one that had "apes talking in English". If it's on Heigl's lips, POTA must be hot again. I also noticed in one of the clip segments they showed the chimp that presented Chambers with his Oscar. What Chambers hath wrought, time and George Clooney cannot take away.
>

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There is a third alternative. The Lawgiver in Battle does speak of 'evil men who betrayed God's trust'. It could be that succeeding generations of Apes focused on the negative rather than the more positive parts of the Lawgiver's writings. It wouldn't be the the first religion who's followers have done that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Yes, yes, but even if they are one timeline, had the Sacred Scrolls
> yet been written in Battle? The Lawgiver may have been peaceful in
> the early ape/human relationship. Yet, as time went on and man
> regressed (and apes became more advanced) the relationship changed.
> If the Lawgiver is organic, then there must have been more than one,
> right? Each successor may have been more dogmatic than the previous
> Lawgiver and related more to the times than to a basic doctrine.
>
> So then, if so, who/which was the Greatest Ape?
>
> Helen
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> There is a third alternative. The Lawgiver in Battle does speak
of 'evil
> men who betrayed God's trust'. It could be that succeeding
generations
> of Apes focused on the negative rather than the more positive parts
of
> the Lawgiver's writings. It wouldn't be the the first religion who's
> followers have done that.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, yes, but even if they are one timeline, had the Sacred
Scrolls
> > yet been written in Battle? The Lawgiver may have been peaceful in
> > the early ape/human relationship. Yet, as time went on and man
> > regressed (and apes became more advanced) the relationship
changed.
> > If the Lawgiver is organic, then there must have been more than
one,
> > right? Each successor may have been more dogmatic than the
previous
> > Lawgiver and related more to the times than to a basic doctrine.
> >
> > So then, if so, who/which was the Greatest Ape?
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

Yes, yes, but even if they are one timeline, had the Sacred Scrolls yet been written in Battle?

 

*** My personal guess is yes, and if not written, they were going to be written by that peaceful Lawgiver. He knows the story of Caesar, he knows he wanted to live in peace and harmony with humans, so that Lawgiver would probably write the new Scrolls based on that. But, then again, there may not be any new Sacred Scrolls written. That may be another thing that is changed in the new timeline. New Lawgiver, peaceful teachings, and perhaps no Scrolls condemning Man or preaching togetherness between the species. ***

 

 

The Lawgiver may have been peaceful in the early ape/human relationship. Yet, as time went on and man regressed (and apes became more advanced)the relationship changed.

 

*** Again, this is just a theory, and it's based on my own guess there are indeed two timelines (the second of which started with the events of ESCAPE.)  I am NOT wanting to get the "Timeline" debate going here though, so don't look at this post as an attempt at that. That said, I believe there are two timelines, the first of which included a man hating Lawgiver who wrote the Sacred Scrolls condemning humanity, etc. He existed in the first timeline, and he is the one that was followed by Zaius, Ursus, Z and C, etc.

 

Then, along came the second timeline. There was an ape referred to as The Lawgiver, but he is not a man hater... Look at his actions in BATTLE, he preaches that as he looks at ape and man living in peace, there is hope for the future (or something to that effect. If he is glad to see that type of thing going on, it's highly unlikely that he would write anything against the coexistence between the species. And, if nothing "bad" is said about man or ( anything that could be taken as "against humanity") by this Lawgiver, then there would be nothing for future generations of apes to misinterpret in the second timeline. ***

 

 If the Lawgiver is organic, then there must have been more than one, right?

 

*** No, there was only one. Well, two: The original in the PLANET timeline, and the other new "one" in the BATTLE timeline. In either case, he is just one supreme ape. There are no more than one in either timeline. If there was more than one in the PLANET timeline, surely Zaius and the others would not refer to him as The Greatest Ape of All. There cannot be more than 1 greatest ape. Saying there is more than one Lawgiver is like saying there is more than one Jesus Christ (and no, I am NOT wanting to get a religious debate going! But, Jesus is the closest example I can think of.) ***

 

So then, if so, who/which was the Greatest Ape?

*** The Lawgiver of course. ***

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Okay, Aboro3085...I appreciate and respect your opinions and your comments, and thanks so much for your feedback, but still...the scene was filmed when the three mutants were running for cover and were spotted.  It simply was deleted for some reason.   Zach    -------Original Message-------   From: aboro3085 Date: 2/24/2008 4:27:37 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Michael Avallone's adaptation of BENEATH...   --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote: 3. I think that I'd mentioned this once before, but the worst error of all was a scene at the end that showed Zira and Cornelius at being at home in Ape City when the events going on that ultimately led to the Bomb being activated occurred...which would've made ESCAPE impossible. *** You need to remember that when BENEATH was made (and novelized) that it was to be the last film due to Mr. Heston's insistance that they blow up the world and hence, end the franchise. There were no plans for ESCAPE at the time, so the bit you're talking about wouldn't have mattered anyway. I don't know if that bit was ever scripted, or if Mr. Avallone just made it up, but whatever the case is/was regarding that scene: In the context of BENEATH being the only sequel at that time, and thought to be the last and only sequel at the time, the scene makes perfect sense. (Plus, add to the fact that even if the scene really did exist and let's hypothetically say it was used in the film, I'm sure that Mr. Dehn would have easily forgotten that fact, just as he convenientally forgot so many others when scripting the films.) *** 4. A lot of Apesters won't believe this, but there actually WAS a scene that had been cut out of the movie, when the Army had traveled through the tunnels en route to the mutant stronghold and, quoting Avallone, encountered three robed figures hurrying...these had been, of course, the Fat Man (Adiposo), Caspay and the verger [of the cathedral]." Under General Ursus' orders, they were brutally gunned down. This would have been directly in front of the ruined Radio City Music Hall marquee. This was mentioned in the book. I'm holding on to my statements about how I well remember seeing that scene during the theatrical release in the summer of 1970. *** Hold onto it all you want, but as with some of the other discrepancies you mentioned in your complete post, this too is not consistant with the film (or any BENEATH script for that matter.) BENEATH, just as with the other APES movies when novelized, was fleshed out with bits created by the author(s), and this scene is one of those. There is absolutely no evidence of it ever existing in the film or even a script. It exists nowhere except in the Avallone novel. Every other deleted scene from BENEATH has at least some proof that it was scripted, maybe rehearsed, maybe even shot and later scrapped. Why doesn't this? I can tell you why: It was from the pen of Michael Avallone and nobody else. ***

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite satisfied with his remake of KING
KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
>
> ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote: I do wonder. If there was going to be one
more episode in the PoTA
> saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to write/produce it?
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Off the top of my head I'd invite, James Cameron, JJ Abrams, Frank
Darabont or Zack
> Snyder to submit thier pitches.
>
> Dave B
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> >
> > *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite
satisfied with his remake of KING
> KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
> >
> > ape_mom <sand_hill_school@> wrote: I do wonder. If there was
going to be one
> more episode in the PoTA
> > saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to write/produce
it?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>

>
> Peter Jackson,(Too busy) Christopher Nolan, or Ed Wood.
> Brendan.
> PS. It would have to be someone with complete autonomy, so Fox

> have to keep out of it, which we know will never happen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> > Off the top of my head I'd invite, James Cameron, JJ Abrams,

> Darabont or Zack
> > Snyder to submit thier pitches.
> >
> > Dave B
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> > >
> > > *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite
> satisfied with his remake of KING
> > KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
> > >
> > > ape_mom <sand_hill_school@> wrote: I do wonder. If there was
> going to be one
> > more episode in the PoTA
> > > saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to

> it?
> > >
> > >
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>
> Honestly? I really don't trust anyone to do it right.There are a
> couple who might do it less wrong than others, but I'm not sure the
> industry still contains the calibre of director that the original
> five were blessed with.John, Scrolls.
> >
> > Peter Jackson,(Too busy) Christopher Nolan, or Ed Wood.
> > Brendan.
> > PS. It would have to be someone with complete autonomy, so Fox
> would
> > have to keep out of it, which we know will never happen.
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: shanter2002

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:20 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Who do you trust?

Honestly? I really don't trust anyone to do it right.There are a
couple who might do it less wrong than others, but I'm not sure the
industry still contains the calibre of director that the original
five were blessed with.John, Scrolls.
>
> Peter Jackson,(Too busy) Christopher Nolan, or Ed Wood.
> Brendan.
> PS. It would have to be someone with complete autonomy, so Fox
would
> have to keep out of it, which we know will never happen.
>
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@ > wrote:
> >
> > Off the top of my head I'd invite, James Cameron, JJ Abrams,
Frank
> Darabont or Zack
> > Snyder to submit thier pitches.
> >
> > Dave B
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> > >
> > > *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite
> satisfied with his remake of KING
> > KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
> > >
> > > ape_mom <sand_hill_school@ > wrote: I do wonder. If there was
> going to be one
> > more episode in the PoTA
> > > saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to
write/produce
> it?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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>

>
> I received my copy of Simian Scrolls and congrats to all who

> especially enjoyed "Loomings",
> great story about young Caesar, would love to read more! Elaine
>
>
>
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First prize will be a copy of Urko's wall map recreated by Dave and suitable for framing:

Along with a printed copy of the Presidential Commission Dossier:

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The first prize winner will win all the above.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> I personally think you need someone who's completely
into "Apes"...Rick Baker would be my choice.
>
> Jeff B
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shanter2002
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:20 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Who do you trust?
>
>
> Honestly? I really don't trust anyone to do it right.There are a
> couple who might do it less wrong than others, but I'm not sure
the
> industry still contains the calibre of director that the original
> five were blessed with.John, Scrolls.
> >
> > Peter Jackson,(Too busy) Christopher Nolan, or Ed Wood.
> > Brendan.
> > PS. It would have to be someone with complete autonomy, so Fox
> would
> > have to keep out of it, which we know will never happen.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Off the top of my head I'd invite, James Cameron, JJ Abrams,
> Frank
> > Darabont or Zack
> > > Snyder to submit thier pitches.
> > >
> > > Dave B
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite
> > satisfied with his remake of KING
> > > KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
> > > >
> > > > ape_mom <sand_hill_school@> wrote: I do wonder. If there
was
> > going to be one
> > > more episode in the PoTA
> > > > saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to
> write/produce
> > it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> I completely agree with this, Jeff B. Who's Rick Baker?

> Thanks! The first time I read Mike McColm's 'Loomings' I was stunned.I
> was so glad that Mike kindly let us run it in Simian Scrolls, because
> it's a tremendously thought provoking bridge between Escape and
> Conquest.John, Scrolls.

> "Loomings" was amazing. It's right up there with "Beware the Beast" ...

> 'Loomings' becomes even more amazing when you realize it's the work
> of just one man. Mike
> not only illustrates, but writes and edits his own material too!

There are a lot of good choices here. I'd like to add Robert Zemeckis since he has some experience with social satire and time travel movies.

What's most important to me is someone that respects the intergrity of the original films. I don't want someone who will try to put their own stamp on it and be a revisionist. I think that was the chief problem with the 2001 film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> I completely agree with this, Jeff B. Who's Rick Baker?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" skintricks@ wrote:
> >
> > I personally think you need someone who's completely
> into "Apes"...Rick Baker would be my choice.
> >
> > Jeff B
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: shanter2002
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:20 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Who do you trust?
> >
> >
> > Honestly? I really don't trust anyone to do it right.There are a
> > couple who might do it less wrong than others, but I'm not sure
> the
> > industry still contains the calibre of director that the original
> > five were blessed with.John, Scrolls.
> > >
> > > Peter Jackson,(Too busy) Christopher Nolan, or Ed Wood.
> > > Brendan.
> > > PS. It would have to be someone with complete autonomy, so Fox
> > would
> > > have to keep out of it, which we know will never happen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Off the top of my head I'd invite, James Cameron, JJ Abrams,
> > Frank
> > > Darabont or Zack
> > > > Snyder to submit thier pitches.
> > > >
> > > > Dave B
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite
> > > satisfied with his remake of KING
> > > > KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
> > > > >
> > > > > ape_mom <sand_hill_school@> wrote: I do wonder. If there
> was
> > > going to be one
> > > > more episode in the PoTA
> > > > > saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to
> > write/produce
> > > it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> > > Mobile. Try it now.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

> Thanks! The first time I read Mike McColm's
> 'Loomings' I was stunned.I
> was so glad that Mike kindly let us run it in Simian
> Scrolls, because
> it's a tremendously thought provoking bridge between
> Escape and
> Conquest.John, Scrolls.
> >
> > I received my copy of Simian Scrolls and congrats
> to all who
> contributed. I
> > especially enjoyed "Loomings",
> > great story about young Caesar, would love to read
> more! Elaine
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch
> video on AOL
> Living.
> >
>

> campos-duffy/
> > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
> >
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > I completely agree with this, Jeff B. Who's Rick Baker?
>
> I'm sorry, but.... Wow. It's hard to believe there's anyone out
there
> who doesn't know who Rick Baker is. He's one of the world's best
and
> most famous makeup artists. He's won numerous Oscars for his work,
> which has included:
>
> - King Kong (1976) (He played Kong in that, too)
> - An American Werewolf in London
> - Greystoke
> - Coming to America
> - Gorillas in the Mist
> - Mighty Joe Young
> - Planet of the Apes (2001)
>
> Notice the prevailing theme? Nobody does Apes makeup better than
Rick
> Baker, IMO.... How'd he be helming a movie, I have no idea, but the
> passion is certainly there.
>
> (Most of you probably know this, but in case you don't, Rick Baker
was
> also one of the biplane gunners in the King Kong remake (Peter
> Jackson, who produced and directed the Lord of the Rings movies and
> King Kong) was the pilot in Rick's plane).)
>
> Hunter
>

>
>
> There are a lot of good choices here. I'd like to add Robert

> since he has some experience with social satire and time travel

>
> What's most important to me is someone that respects the intergrity

> the original films. I don't want someone who will try to put their

> stamp on it and be a revisionist. I think that was the chief problem
> with the 2001 film.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> > I completely agree with this, Jeff B. Who's Rick Baker?
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" skintricks@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I personally think you need someone who's completely
> > into "Apes"...Rick Baker would be my choice.
> > >
> > > Jeff B
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: shanter2002
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 8:20 AM
> > > Subject: [pota] Re: Who do you trust?
> > >
> > >
> > > Honestly? I really don't trust anyone to do it right.There are a
> > > couple who might do it less wrong than others, but I'm not sure
> > the
> > > industry still contains the calibre of director that the

> > > five were blessed with.John, Scrolls.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Jackson,(Too busy) Christopher Nolan, or Ed Wood.
> > > > Brendan.
> > > > PS. It would have to be someone with complete autonomy, so Fox
> > > would
> > > > have to keep out of it, which we know will never happen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Off the top of my head I'd invite, James Cameron, JJ Abrams,
> > > Frank
> > > > Darabont or Zack
> > > > > Snyder to submit thier pitches.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave B
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite
> > > > satisfied with his remake of KING
> > > > > KONG, so I'd say the potential is there. ***
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ape_mom <sand_hill_school@> wrote: I do wonder. If there
> > was
> > > > going to be one
> > > > > more episode in the PoTA
> > > > > > saga... #6 in the series... who would you trust to
> > > write/produce
> > > > it?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo!
> > > > Mobile. Try it now.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> > I completely agree with this, Jeff B. Who's Rick Baker?
>
> I'm sorry, but.... Wow. It's hard to believe there's anyone out there
> who doesn't know who Rick Baker is. >
> Hunter
>

> Ok, but does he know the story? Does he care? (Just curious.) **He's
> been tainted by 2001.**

> Gorillas in the Mist. That whole story is awesome! I with I had
> Dian Fossey's guts, I'd be doing that stuff! BTW: Who wore ape
> makeup in "Gorillas in the Mist?"

>
> > Ok, but does he know the story? Does he care? (Just curious.) **He's
> > been tainted by 2001.**
>
> Well, (most of) the makeup was the only redeeming thing about 2001.
>
>
>
> Hunter
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>

> From the "Gorillas in the Mist" trivia page at IMDb.com:
>
> The gorilla suits used in movies up to this time had obvious
> anatomical differences from real gorillas; for instance, the
wearer's
> real eyes were seen, forcing modification to the face. For this
film
> director Michael Apted wanted to use real gorillas where
possible, but
> some shots would have to use gorilla suits, so the difference
would
> show. 'Rick Baker' met the challenge and created gorilla suits
good
> enough that Apted could do what he wanted.
>
>
> Hunter
>

> Seriously, you aren't going to believe this (giggles into napkin), but
> I don't watch much TV or see many movies. Maybe I'm too hyper. Maybe
> I'm too easily bored. I don't know.

> So, talk to me. Do you think anyone could actually write a believable
> and purposeful #6 for POTA?

> Is Rick Baker a writer?

> Should there be a book first? Would it be a
> prequel? Sequel? Or a smack-dab-in-the-middle-quel?

----- Original Message -----

From: ape_mom

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 9:58 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Who do you trust?

Ok, but does he know the story? Does he care? (Just curious.) **He's
been tainted by 2001.**

Gorillas in the Mist. That whole story is awesome! I with I had
Dian Fossey's guts, I'd be doing that stuff! BTW: Who wore ape
makeup in "Gorillas in the Mist?"

I'm going to change my Yahoo! ID: Clueless

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@ ...> wrote:
>
> > I completely agree with this, Jeff B. Who's Rick Baker?
>
> I'm sorry, but.... Wow. It's hard to believe there's anyone out
there
> who doesn't know who Rick Baker is. He's one of the world's best
and
> most famous makeup artists. He's won numerous Oscars for his work,
> which has included:
>
> - King Kong (1976) (He played Kong in that, too)
> - An American Werewolf in London
> - Greystoke
> - Coming to America
> - Gorillas in the Mist
> - Mighty Joe Young
> - Planet of the Apes (2001)
>
> Notice the prevailing theme? Nobody does Apes makeup better than
Rick
> Baker, IMO.... How'd he be helming a movie, I have no idea, but the
> passion is certainly there.
>
> (Most of you probably know this, but in case you don't, Rick Baker
was
> also one of the biplane gunners in the King Kong remake (Peter
> Jackson, who produced and directed the Lord of the Rings movies and
> King Kong) was the pilot in Rick's plane).)
>
> Hunter
>

>
> *** Off hand, I'd "maybe" say Peter Jackson. I was quite satisfied

>

>
> Honestly? I really don't trust anyone to do it right.There are a
> couple who might do it less wrong than others, but I'm not sure the
> industry still contains the calibre of director that the original
> five were blessed with.John, Scrolls.
>