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In a message dated 4/9/08 4:19:12 PM, Zasco1957@... writes:

Who could have played the role of Colonel Taylor better than he?


That was the question we all asked ourselves before they cast Marky Mark
in the Burton fiasco.  It's like asking who'd play Moses in a Ten Commandment
remake.  I can't think of a single actor today who carries the weight for roles
like those.  And though Heston himself wished he could have done a better job
I don't think there was anyone then or now who could touched him in them.
Russell Crowe as Ben Hur?  I don't think so.



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Given that all the directors are dead, my opinion is that the films
should be left in the edits that they have been for the last three to
four decades. Anything they find now is more likely than not to be
missing sound or be of picture quality inferior to the masters of the
movies anyway, and not only wouldn't look right stuck back into the
films, but would also lack scores. Jerry Goldsmith certainly score the
edit of PLANET we've always had.

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hehehehe...

Hey, Jeff. It's good to see you.

Yeah. My 5 piece set is VHS. I play them on my brand new (2
Christmases ago) HD TV. We watched Planet tonight. How sad. I
should have stayed home from NY. I was spoiled, and now my pixelated
pictures are a pretty sore sight!

One day maybe...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Not everyone has to upgrade. Some people are still in the VHS Age.
Right, Ape Mom?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES remasters
>
>
>
> Sooner or later we'll all have to upgrade...hopefully later is
what I'm saying.
>
> Bruce
>
> In a message dated 4/8/2008 9:46:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:
> Well, keep your fingers crossed then, because this info comes
from the
> main guy doing the extras, an independent production company. They
> have no say as to what Fox will finally decide.
>
> Even I'm not looking forward to having to upgrade all my stuff.
>
> -- Rory
>
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"*** Yes, it's true that at this point, any out-takes probably wouldn't
be scored.

However, you have to remember there are now the "complete" scores of
BENEATH, CONQUEST, and BATTLE courtesy of Film Screen Monthly. I'm sure
that the unused cues from those CDs could be matched up to score any
musically lacking scenes that may exist with spoken audio.

Plus, there's always the chance that the "missing scenes" could get by
without music if they're just dialog scenes."

But who's to decide how this is to be done? No one has the right to
change any of these films.

-- Rory

I have to agree with Rory here. Except for Ted Post, all of the original directors are dead. No one should change their work. If Post wants to do a 'Director's Cut' of Beneath, that would be great. But leave the other films alone.

Any deleted scenes from them that are found in FOX's archive should be included seperately in the Special Features section, not cut into the existing films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> But who's to decide how this is to be done? No one has the right to
> change any of these films.
>
> -- Rory
>

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From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 8:31 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES remasters

I have to agree with Rory here. Except for Ted Post, all of the original directors are dead. No one should change their work. If Post wants to do a 'Director's Cut' of Beneath, that would be great. But leave the other films alone.

Any deleted scenes from them that are found in FOX's archive should be included seperately in the Special Features section, not cut into the existing films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> But who's to decide how this is to be done? No one has the right to
> change any of these films.
>
> -- Rory
>

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On 4/9/08, LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/9/08 4:19:12 PM, Zasco1957@... writes:

Who could have played the role of Colonel Taylor better than he?


That was the question we all asked ourselves before they cast Marky Mark
in the Burton fiasco.  It's like asking who'd play Moses in a Ten Commandment
remake.  I can't think of a single actor today who carries the weight for roles
like those.  And though Heston himself wished he could have done a better job
I don't think there was anyone then or now who could touched him in them.
Russell Crowe as Ben Hur?  I don't think so.



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Hey Rich,

Congratulations and best of luck!

Is the book likely to be available in stores or is it a mail order
only deal?

Please post an alert as soon as the cover image or other details
become available, that'll save me checking twenty times a day!

Dave

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In a message dated 4/9/08 7:25:06 PM, aboro3085@... writes:

Plus, there's always the chance that the "missing scenes" could get by without music if they're just dialog scenes. We'll wait and see what happens I guess.


Yeah, but restoring a film is like restoring a painting.  It's as much
what you leave out as what you put in, and from what I understand
all they have is stuff that was left out.  And if the restorer tries to
recreate the artists intent it could be a little dicey.  I'm sure no one
wants a beloved film butchered by cutting room bits with hunks 
bonafide soundtrack pieces from other bits of the film slathered
over them to give them the slightest sense of legitimacy to them.


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In a message dated 4/10/08 1:04:17 AM, jessicarotich@... writes:

   Are they considering a remake of Ben Yuck!


Yes, with Mummy star Brendan Friseur as Ben Hour.  Okay


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In a message dated 4/10/08 1:04:17 AM, jessicarotich@... writes:

eeeew!! Are they considering a remake of Ben Hur? Yuck!


Okay.  A bit late for an April Fools joke.
But I couldn't resist.


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LOL...

Thank you for posting that!

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, rob reading <readingrob@...> wrote:
>
>
> Published a few days ago in the Sun, a UK newspaper. Tickled me anyway.
>
> R.I.P. Chuck.

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Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 1:02 AM

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In a message dated 4/9/08 7:25:06 PM, aboro3085@yahoo. com writes:

Plus, there's always the chance that the "missing scenes" could get by without music if they're just dialog scenes. We'll wait and see what happens I guess.


Yeah, but restoring a film is like restoring a painting.  It's as much
what you leave out as what you put in, and from what I understand
all they have is stuff that was left out.  And if the restorer tries to
recreate the artists intent it could be a little dicey.  I'm sure no one
wants a beloved film butchered by cutting room bits with hunks 
bonafide soundtrack pieces from other bits of the film slathered
over them to give them the slightest sense of legitimacy to them.


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"I think that's what they did with the restored "Battle", just put
everything they could find in it (to make a longer running time for
TV). I don't know if they consulted J. Lee Thompson but maybe they had
to per DGA rules."

Remember, the extended version of BATTLE was around from the time the
film was first syndicated for TV. It's a different story. The preview
version of CONQUEST was buried in the vaults someplace. It would be
nice if it were found intact, but again, I think it should only be
offered as an extra, much like the way the "Roadshow Version" of THE
SAND PEBBLES (1966) was offered as an extra on the second disc of that
film's recent 2-Disc "Cinema Classics Collection" edition (reviewed by
me here:
http://www.thesandpebbles.com/2007_dvd_review/2007_tsp_review.htm)

Maybe what we could do here is list, one film at a time, the extras we
like to see and then debate them. Start with PLANET, of course.

-- Rory






-----Original Message-----
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 9:51 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES remasters






I think that's what they did with the
restored "Battle", just put everything they could find in it (to make a
longer
running time for TV). I don't know if they consulted J. Lee Thompson
but maybe
they had to per DGA rules.

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AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES
remasters





In a message dated 4/9/08 7:25:06 PM, aboro3085@...
writes:



Plus, there's always the chance that the "missing scenes"
could get by without music if they're just dialog scenes. We'll wait
and see
what happens I guess.


Yeah, but restoring a film is like restoring a
painting. It's as much
what you leave out as what you put in, and
from what I understand
all they have is stuff that was left out. And
if the restorer tries to
recreate the artists intent it could be a little
dicey. I'm sure no one
wants a beloved film butchered by cutting room
bits with hunks
bona fide soundtrack pieces from other bits of the
film slathered
over them to give them the slightest sense of legitimacy to
them.


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>It would be nice if it were found intact, but again, I think it should

only be offered as an extra,

I agree. Much as I'd love to see the new version, I think it should be
presented as an alternate edition, not as the "new" version herein.

>Posted by: "Dave B" smugster2000@... smugster2000
>Hey Rich,
>Congratulations and best of luck!
>Is the book likely to be available in stores or is it a mail order
>only deal?
>Please post an alert as soon as the cover image or other details
>become available, that'll save me checking twenty times a day!

Will do!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

> Maybe what we could do here is list, one film at a time, the extras we
> like to see and then debate them. Start with PLANET, of course.

Okay,

Here's mine and it's pretty much off the top of my head.

Dave


Planet of The Apes

Deleted scenes
Hunt leader stops the wagon – he's rabid!
Chase through Apes City
Pregnant Nova

(If footage can't be found possibly `reconstructed' through production
stills?)

Roddy Mcdowall's home movies (He must have taken a lot more than we
see on the `Behind' disc!)

Screen tests?
Wardrobe tests?
Make-up tests?

Isolated Score

New mini docs/tributes

Pierre Boulle
John Chambers
Jerry Goldsmith
Franklin Schaffner
Charlton Heston
Roddy McDowall
Kim Hunter
Arthur P Jacobs
Maurice Evans

Locations: Then and Now

Commentaries by:
Mort Abrahams
Joe Russo
Bill Creber
Linda Harrison

<saluts then holds up hand> I want a COPY! Congrats Rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

>Posted by: "Dave B" smugster2000@... smugster2000
>Hey Rich,
>Congratulations and best of luck!
>Is the book likely to be available in stores or is it a mail order
>only deal?
>Please post an alert as soon as the cover image or other details
>become available, that'll save me checking twenty times a day!

Will do!

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Escape isn't overly credited, is it? Does anyone here know how to
identify the costumer for Escape? I'm still researching that carpet
bag.

One place has offered to make a run of 80 - 90 bags -- no $$$/bag
given. It would save on the cost of "well over $1000" for one
individually woven bag. ;)

Helen

"Okay,

Here's mine and it's pretty much off the top of my head.

Dave

Planet of The Apes

Deleted scenes
Hunt leader stops the wagon – he's rabid!
Chase through Apes City
Pregnant Nova

(If footage can't be found possibly `reconstructed' through production
stills?)

Roddy Mcdowall's home movies (He must have taken a lot more than we
see on the `Behind' disc!)

Screen tests?
Wardrobe tests?
Make-up tests?

Isolated Score

New mini docs/tributes

Pierre Boulle
John Chambers
Jerry Goldsmith
Franklin Schaffner
Charlton Heston
Roddy McDowall
Kim Hunter
Arthur P Jacobs
Maurice Evans

Locations: Then and Now

Commentaries by:
Mort Abrahams
Joe Russo
Bill Creber
Linda Harrison"

Hey, that pretty much covers it. I can think of a few you didn't
mention.

I'd like to get a serious commentary track this time, well-written and
not just Mort Abrahams and Eric Greene in a room someplace, but one
that utilizes all the recordings of McDowall and Hunter we have so far.
And this time NO DEAD SPOTS.

Besides an isolated score, I'd like a new "score commentary" track,
such as has been done on "Fantastic Voyage," "Von Ryan's Express," and
"The Sand Pebbles" with CD producer Nick Redman and others. The
commentary Jerry Goldsmith did for the 35th Anniversary had so much
dead time that it really should be edited down to just a featurette
with clips from the film and a suite of the music in the background.

Hold overs from the 35th Anniversary should be the NATO film, both
trailers and a much more extensive still gallery.

When I was at Joe Russo's I saw slides of the make-up tests. One had
Frank Schaffner standing in front of McDowall and having him do
different facial expressions. I also saw very early makeup and
wardrobe tests, and I saw that motion picture cameras where there. So
this is all in the archives, I'll bet.

Fox is also doing "interactive pressbooks" now, and I'd also like to
see a poster gallery.

Can anybody think of anything else?

I'd also like original ad art on the cover too!!!! The 1-sheet image
would -- finally -- be nice!

-- Rory

"NATO" in this instance stands for National Association of Theatre
Owners." Arthur P. Jacobs used to like to make a short film of clips
from his forthcoming movies to show to the theatre owners when they'd
have their annual meeting. This helped get the film booked.

The 35th Anniversary Edition of PLANET included a mint copy of its NATO
film, but we only have poor video tape dubs of BENEATH's around as
bootlegs.

-- Rory

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Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:39 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES remasters

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>It would be nice if it were found intact, but again, I think it should
only be offered as an extra,

I agree. Much as I'd love to see the new version, I think it should be
presented as an alternate edition, not as the "new" version herein.

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Attachments :

Here are some pics of a chimp costume a friend of mine
made for me a few years ago....she worked at the
Paramount Theme Parks Costume Shop....we went shopping
for the material which is a light wool I
think....(there are pants too)...and we got a brown
leather hide and she cut it all and sewed it...I gave
her several pics of Cornelius to go by as well as the
Medicom figure.....the glyphs are glued on....

the mask in the case is my old Don Post mask but I too
got an Apemania mask....it was a big hit at Halloween!
maybe I'll wear it again this year!

Tim
--- jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

> Me too, please...show us your gorilla and orang
> outfits...and let me know
> which one is your favorite!
>
> Thanks, Jessica.
>
>
> On 4/5/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jose,
> >
> > I was able to see the chimp outfit from the
> picture that the
> > potagroups moderator uploaded to the site. You did
> an excellent job
> > on it! The glyphs came out really well. I'm trying
> to visualize how
> > you did that. I would love to see your gorilla and
> orang outfits!
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com
> <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, jose ramon
> > <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Do you like to see my gorilla and orang outfit?
> > > JR
> > >
> > > jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
> > > Jose, your chimp jacket is VERY WELL DONE! I
> love it!!
> > >
> > > Jessica.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/4/08, Jeff <skintricks@...> wrote: Very
> Nice!
> > >
> > > Jeff B
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

The only problem is Blu-Ray packaging IMHO sucks... Fox has been good
about using original artwork on the recent special editions Poseidon
Adventure, Sand Pebbles etc... Now if they can only come up with
something unique... like... a head... a Caesar head.... Only it won't
look anything like Caesar....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd also like original ad art on the cover too!!!! The 1-sheet image
> would -- finally -- be nice!
>
> -- Rory
>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Tim apefan <apefan23@...> wrote:

Here are some pics of a chimp costume a friend of mine
made for me a few years ago....she worked at the
Paramount Theme Parks Costume Shop....we went shopping
for the material which is a light wool I
think....(there are pants too)...and we got a brown
leather hide and she cut it all and sewed it...I gave
her several pics of Cornelius to go by as well as the
Medicom figure.....the glyphs are glued on....

the mask in the case is my old Don Post mask but I too
got an Apemania mask....it was a big hit at Halloween!
maybe I'll wear it again this year!

Tim

--- jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

> Me too, please...show us your gorilla and orang
> outfits...and let me know
> which one is your favorite!
>
> Thanks, Jessica.
>
>
> On 4/5/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Jose,
> >
> > I was able to see the chimp outfit from the
> picture that the
> > potagroups moderator uploaded to the site. You did
> an excellent job
> > on it! The glyphs came out really well. I'm trying
> to visualize how
> > you did that. I would love to see your gorilla and
> orang outfits!
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com

> <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, jose ramon

> > <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Do you like to see my gorilla and orang outfit?
> > > JR
> > >
> > > jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
> > > Jose, your chimp jacket is VERY WELL DONE! I
> love it!!
> > >
> > > Jessica.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/4/08, Jeff <skintricks@...> wrote: Very
> Nice!
> > >
> > > Jeff B
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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the mask is the pullover full head deal......
I didn't do the makeup around the eyes in that
picture....


--- jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

> Tim!!!!
>
> She did a great job on the costume! I like the
> ingenious way you guys did
> the glyphs. Always good to see other work so you
> can apply these ideas to
> your own work. The light wool is what I think I
> want my costume to be (I am
> always cold anyway), so it would be perfect. The
> picture of the mask from
> Ape Mania--Is that the pull-over mask? Would you be
> able to glue parts of
> the mask onto your face to be able to make facial
> movements? So exciting to
> see people in costumes...
>
> Even if I can't afford the Ape Mania makeup for
> awhile, at least I would
> have my costume started.
>
> Jessica.
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 12:04 PM, Tim apefan
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> > Here are some pics of a chimp costume a friend
> of mine
> > made for me a few years ago....she worked at the
> > Paramount Theme Parks Costume Shop....we went
> shopping
> > for the material which is a light wool I
> > think....(there are pants too)...and we got a
> brown
> > leather hide and she cut it all and sewed it...I
> gave
> > her several pics of Cornelius to go by as well as
> the
> > Medicom figure.....the glyphs are glued on....
> >
> > the mask in the case is my old Don Post mask but I
> too
> > got an Apemania mask....it was a big hit at
> Halloween!
> > maybe I'll wear it again this year!
> >
> > Tim
> > --- jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...
> <jessicarotich%40gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Me too, please...show us your gorilla and orang
> > > outfits...and let me know
> > > which one is your favorite!
> > >
> > > Thanks, Jessica.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 4/5/08, ape_mom
>

<sand_hill_school@...<sand_hill_school%40yahoo.com>

> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Jose,
> > > >
> > > > I was able to see the chimp outfit from the
> > > picture that the
> > > > potagroups moderator uploaded to the site. You
> did
> > > an excellent job
> > > > on it! The glyphs came out really well. I'm
> trying
> > > to visualize how
> > > > you did that. I would love to see your gorilla
> and
> > > orang outfits!
> > > >
> > > > Helen
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com
> <pota%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, jose ramon
> > > > <joseramonruizdiez@...> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > > Do you like to see my gorilla and orang
> outfit?
> > > > > JR
> > > > >
> > > > > jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
> > > > > Jose, your chimp jacket is VERY WELL DONE! I
> > > love it!!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jessica.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 4/4/08, Jeff <skintricks@...> wrote: Very
> > > Nice!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff B
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >

This is from

“Inside Oscar: The Unofficial History of the Academy
Awards”

The Big Night : April 14, 1969
The 41st Annual Academy Awards

“The (choreographer Gower) Champion touch was felt
during the presentation of the Costume Design Award.
As Jane Fonda read the nominations, she was backed by
an ersatz rock band, the Soul Rascals, and dancers
wearing the nominated costumes. Romeo and Juliet did
the jerk; “Lion In Winter’s” Henry II and Eleanor the
frug; showgirls from “Star!” shimmied in their early
40’s tassled outfits; Fagan, the Artful Dodger and
Oliver bopped about: and finally, one of the apes from
“Planet of the Apes” was found sitting next to a
surprised Jack Wild in the orchestra before bounding
onstage to thrash among the other dancers. The winner,
“Romeo and Juliet”’s Danilo Donati, was absent, so the
barefoot Jane boogied out among the costumed dancers
and handed the Oscar to Romeo, who held it aloft.”

Anybody have a pic or clip of this?? I'm also looking
for pics of John Chambers getting his Oscar from the
chimp and Walter Matthau.....(I thought I had some but
can't find them) ........Oddly there is no mention of
this segment in the book!

Where can one find old Oscar footage? Would you have
to go to the Academy in LA and ask to see footage? I'm
sure they wouldn't release it because of
copyrights.....Jeff.....why don't you swing by there
and ask!! lol

Tim

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 11:03 AM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Escape isn't overly credited, is it? Does anyone here know how to
identify the costumer for Escape? I'm still researching that carpet
bag.

One place has offered to make a run of 80 - 90 bags -- no $$$/bag
given. It would save on the cost of "well over $1000" for one
individually woven bag. ;)

Helen

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I hope the "alternate version" opens with the beat-up chimp running for its life...that WAS filmed (and omitted), right? Or am I imagining things?

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 4/10/2008 12:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, handleyr@... writes:

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>It would be nice if it were found intact, but again, I think it should
only be offered as an extra,

I agree. Much as I'd love to see the new version, I think it should be
presented as an alternate edition, not as the "new" version herein.

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Very cute Rob. Thanks for sharing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, rob reading <readingrob@...> wrote:
>
>
> Published a few days ago in the Sun, a UK newspaper. Tickled me anyway.
>
> R.I.P. Chuck.
>
>
> >
>
> _____> Amazing prizes every hour with Live Search Big Snap
> http://www.bigsnapsearch.com
>

Yeah, I know. It's a great idea, Jessica, and I probably will just go
ahead and make one. I read that the type of carpet bag that Zira had
may have been made with a runner. I've been looking at patterns
on-line (no local rug shops) to try to find a matching pattern. No
luck, yet. It looks like three patterns, some fringe, and maybe some
embellishment around the clover-like pattern on the front.

I'm learning a lot about these things. The difference between a
tapestry bag and a carpet bag, for instance. Very interesting. In
the meantime, I have become quite fond of this particular bag...
especially after seeing SO MANY others!!! And.. I haven't yet found
anything even remotely close.

So, eventually I'll probably find some tough sewing machine needles
and press on.

If you do it first, let me know.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, from the photographs/screen shots, it looks like you could easily
> make this carpet bag yourself. You would just need to find a
similar type
> of carpet pattern...perhaps you could visit some rug shops that sell
> small-sized ones specifically used for kneeling/worshipping, and sew
two of
> them together. Just my first thoughts...
>
> Jessica.
>
>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Yeah, I know. It's a great idea, Jessica, and I probably will just go
ahead and make one. I read that the type of carpet bag that Zira had
may have been made with a runner. I've been looking at patterns
on-line (no local rug shops) to try to find a matching pattern. No
luck, yet. It looks like three patterns, some fringe, and maybe some
embellishment around the clover-like pattern on the front.

I'm learning a lot about these things. The difference between a
tapestry bag and a carpet bag, for instance. Very interesting. In
the meantime, I have become quite fond of this particular bag...
especially after seeing SO MANY others!!! And.. I haven't yet found
anything even remotely close.

So, eventually I'll probably find some tough sewing machine needles
and press on.

If you do it first, let me know.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, from the photographs/screen shots, it looks like you could easily
> make this carpet bag yourself. You would just need to find a
similar type
> of carpet pattern...perhaps you could visit some rug shops that sell
> small-sized ones specifically used for kneeling/worshipping, and sew
two of
> them together. Just my first thoughts...
>
> Jessica.
>
>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:33 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Helen, here's another very crazy idea of mine...

 

How about "drawing" the pattern onto those fabrics that people use for counted cross stitch...and then after the pattern is drawn out in the exact color that is needed, all you would have to do is to embroider your Xs onto the fabric.  This would take forever, of course, but you could daydream about Planet of the Apes while you're doing it...and the "carpetbag" would actually be VERY light!

 

Jessica.

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Yeah, I know. It's a great idea, Jessica, and I probably will just go
ahead and make one. I read that the type of carpet bag that Zira had
may have been made with a runner. I've been looking at patterns
on-line (no local rug shops) to try to find a matching pattern. No
luck, yet. It looks like three patterns, some fringe, and maybe some
embellishment around the clover-like pattern on the front.

I'm learning a lot about these things. The difference between a
tapestry bag and a carpet bag, for instance. Very interesting. In
the meantime, I have become quite fond of this particular bag...
especially after seeing SO MANY others!!! And.. I haven't yet found
anything even remotely close.

So, eventually I'll probably find some tough sewing machine needles
and press on.

If you do it first, let me know.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, from the photographs/screen shots, it looks like you could easily
> make this carpet bag yourself. You would just need to find a
similar type
> of carpet pattern...perhaps you could visit some rug shops that sell
> small-sized ones specifically used for kneeling/worshipping, and sew
two of
> them together. Just my first thoughts...
>
> Jessica.
>
>

Hi James!

I've recently scanned my extensive collection of POTA stills (movies +
TV and other fun stuff). It's all organised beautifully into folders --
about 200 images -- but the Yahoo site way of posting it all is
cumbersome.

I'd love to share these with the group. There are loads of obscure
images I'm sure people haven't seen before. Any ideas as to how to get
this much stuff on to your site?

Maybe I should send you a photo CD or something?

Regards from London...

Mark.

 Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

Commentaries by:
Mort Abrahams
Joe Russo
Bill Creber
Linda Harrison

*** Let's add Buck Kartalian and Lou Wagner to that list too... ***

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The bag would be a prop not wardrobe. So if there was a propmaster in the credits, that would be the person to contact, if they are still alive.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> Escape isn't overly credited, is it? Does anyone here know how to
> identify the costumer for Escape? I'm still researching that carpet
> bag.
>
> One place has offered to make a run of 80 - 90 bags -- no $$$/bag
> given. It would save on the cost of "well over $1000" for one
> individually woven bag. ;)
>
> Helen
>

You mean like this:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> This is from
>
> "Inside Oscar: The Unofficial History of the Academy
> Awards"
>
> The Big Night : April 14, 1969
> The 41st Annual Academy Awards
>
> "The (choreographer Gower) Champion touch was felt
> during the presentation of the Costume Design Award.
> As Jane Fonda read the nominations, she was backed by
> an ersatz rock band, the Soul Rascals, and dancers
> wearing the nominated costumes. Romeo and Juliet did
> the jerk; "Lion In Winter's" Henry II and Eleanor the
> frug; showgirls from "Star!" shimmied in their early
> 40's tassled outfits; Fagan, the Artful Dodger and
> Oliver bopped about: and finally, one of the apes from
> "Planet of the Apes" was found sitting next to a
> surprised Jack Wild in the orchestra before bounding
> onstage to thrash among the other dancers. The winner,
> "Romeo and Juliet"'s Danilo Donati, was absent, so the
> barefoot Jane boogied out among the costumed dancers
> and handed the Oscar to Romeo, who held it aloft."
>
> Anybody have a pic or clip of this?? I'm also looking
> for pics of John Chambers getting his Oscar from the
> chimp and Walter Matthau.....(I thought I had some but
> can't find them) ........Oddly there is no mention of
> this segment in the book!
>
> Where can one find old Oscar footage? Would you have
> to go to the Academy in LA and ask to see footage? I'm
> sure they wouldn't release it because of
> copyrights.....Jeff.....why don't you swing by there
> and ask!! lol
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> http://mail.yahoo.com
>

Thanks Mark. Yahoo used to make it possible to upload about 20 pics at once. Now the most you can do is 5. I'll email you offline with some alternatives.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:
>
> Hi James!
>
> I've recently scanned my extensive collection of POTA stills (movies +
> TV and other fun stuff). It's all organised beautifully into folders --
> about 200 images -- but the Yahoo site way of posting it all is
> cumbersome.
>
> I'd love to share these with the group. There are loads of obscure
> images I'm sure people haven't seen before. Any ideas as to how to get
> this much stuff on to your site?
>
> Maybe I should send you a photo CD or something?
>
> Regards from London...
>
> Mark.
>

drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:

 Now if they can only come up with something unique... like... a head... a Caesar head.... Only it won't look anything like Caesar....

*** You know, I'm still not sure if I'd even want that gaudy thing. ***

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Hi James!

I've recently scanned my extensive collection of POTA stills (movies +
TV and other fun stuff). It's all organised beautifully into folders --
about 200 images -- but the Yahoo site way of posting it all is
cumbersome.

I'd love to share these with the group. There are loads of obscure
images I'm sure people haven't seen before. Any ideas as to how to get
this much stuff on to your site?

Maybe I should send you a photo CD or something?

Regards from London...

Mark.

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Hmmm...

Would that be set decoration?

Set Decoration by
Stuart A. Reiss
Walter M. Scott

Reiss, born 1921, is still alive. Mr. Scott is not.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> The bag would be a prop not wardrobe. So if there was a propmaster in
> the credits, that would be the person to contact, if they are still
> alive.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> > Escape isn't overly credited, is it? Does anyone here know how to
> > identify the costumer for Escape? I'm still researching that carpet
> > bag.
> >
> > One place has offered to make a run of 80 - 90 bags -- no $$$/bag
> > given. It would save on the cost of "well over $1000" for one
> > individually woven bag. ;)
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

*** I just don't get it. Why would any woman want to carry a bag that
ugly around? It's not like carrying it would make you more of an APES
fan or something. If anything, people would be digging out change to
toss at you thinking you're some type of hobo. ;) ***

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> The bag would be a prop not wardrobe. So if there was a propmaster
in
> the credits, that would be the person to contact, if they are still
> alive.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> > Escape isn't overly credited, is it? Does anyone here know how to
> > identify the costumer for Escape? I'm still researching that
carpet
> > bag.
> >
> > One place has offered to make a run of 80 - 90 bags -- no $$$/bag
> > given. It would save on the cost of "well over $1000" for one
> > individually woven bag. ;)
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

Possibly. But it wouldn't be wardrobe.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm...
>
> Would that be set decoration?
>
> Set Decoration by
> Stuart A. Reiss
> Walter M. Scott
>
> Reiss, born 1921, is still alive. Mr. Scott is not.
>
> Helen
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > The bag would be a prop not wardrobe. So if there was a propmaster in
> > the credits, that would be the person to contact, if they are still
> > alive.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Escape isn't overly credited, is it? Does anyone here know how to
> > > identify the costumer for Escape? I'm still researching that carpet
> > > bag.
> > >
> > > One place has offered to make a run of 80 - 90 bags -- no $$$/bag
> > > given. It would save on the cost of "well over $1000" for one
> > > individually woven bag. ;)
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> >
>

I used to think it was ugly, too, but you really need to take a closer
look. It's very feminine and surprisingly frilly. When you are an
ape stuck in the city for a few hours, you have to have SOMETHING to
carry your people costume in! ;)

Best case scenario? The carpet bag should fit in my backpack and the
backpack should fit in the carpet bag... along with whichever costume
I don't happen to be wearing.

Hobo, huh?

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aboro3085" <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** I just don't get it. Why would any woman want to carry a bag that
> ugly around? It's not like carrying it would make you more of an APES
> fan or something. If anything, people would be digging out change to
> toss at you thinking you're some type of hobo. ;) ***

*** No more Eric Greene commentary please! He has had his fingers in
the POTA pie for way too long, and it's time someone like Joe Russo (or
his writing partner) or even our own Mr. Monteith get their shot at it.

Why "they" (as in the producers of the BEHIND documentary and the
distributor of the TV series soundtrack CD) think Eric Greene is some
sort of world renowned APES authority is beyond me. Yes, he wrote his
book and all and that's fine, but someone who wrote a glorified college
thesis is nowhere near the authority with real knowledge as some of the
other people are, and it's time they get their time in the spot-light
so to speak. Let us not forget that Mr. Russo and company also wrote an
APES book, which is streets above anything that was in Eric's book, so
Joe and company are what the new APES DVD (set) will need. New blood
for all new in depth commentaries. I have heard, but never confirmed
that Joe has a tape recording of himself and Don Taylor watching
ESCAPE, and he and Ted Post watching BENEATH. Now I do not think they
have to include those tapes, but what I'm getting at with them is that
maybe Joe could shed some more insight into those films by what's on
those tapes. For instance he could say "I remember at this point in the
film, Don Taylor said to me" and things like that.

And, I have one thing to add to that list of wanted extras: How about a
set of miniature US and foreign posters like they included with the
release of the original KING KONG and THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

Hey, that pretty much covers it. I can think of a few you didn't
mention.I'd like to get a serious commentary track this time, well-
written and not just Mort Abrahams and Eric Greene in a room someplace,
but one that utilizes all the recordings of McDowall and Hunter we have
so far. And this time NO DEAD SPOTS.

Thanks, James. I'll check into that. I thought that checking with
the wardrobe (apparently set decoration) guy was a good idea. (It was
the carpet bag miller that suggested it.)

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Possibly. But it wouldn't be wardrobe.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > Would that be set decoration?
> >
> > Set Decoration by
> > Stuart A. Reiss
> > Walter M. Scott
> >
> > Reiss, born 1921, is still alive. Mr. Scott is not.
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

"*** No more Eric Greene commentary please! He has had his fingers in
the POTA pie for way too long, and it's time someone like Joe Russo (or
his writing partner) or even our own Mr. Monteith get their shot at it."

When I hear a recording of my own voice I cringe, but I agree with you
about Eric Greene. His book was initially interesting but he far
over-stated his case, and it was all really his opinion. Most of the
filmmakers of the series won't agree that any of the subtext he talks
about was much on the forefront of their thoughts.

As far as Joe Russo goes, yeah, he's got all these recorded interviews,
but even he wouldn't want it to be "the Joe Russo show."

So, I don't know who should do a PLANET commentary, just as long as
it's not Richard Schickel. Man. that guy's boring.

Oh, and another thing I forgot to mention.... In the original PLANET
pressbook it mentions "Radio Open-End Interviews" with someone named
Dick Strout. Well, there's a nearly forgotten 1967 Doris Day movie
called CAPRICE (Leon Shamroy and Robert Gunner are in it) and on the
Fox DVD are a couple of these "Dick Strout" radio interviews. Now if
Fox Home Entertainment can find those for CAPRICE, why couldn't they
find them for PLANET?

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: stenosaurus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 2:11 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES remasters

I hope the "alternate version" opens with the beat-up chimp running for its life...that WAS filmed (and omitted), right? Or am I imagining things?

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 4/10/2008 12:52:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, handleyr@optonline. net writes:

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>It would be nice if it were found intact, but again, I think it should
only be offered as an extra,

I agree. Much as I'd love to see the new version, I think it should be
presented as an alternate edition, not as the "new" version herein.

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exactly james...Thank you!!


--- James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
> You mean like this:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > This is from
> >
> > "Inside Oscar: The Unofficial History of the
> Academy
> > Awards"
> >
> > The Big Night : April 14, 1969
> > The 41st Annual Academy Awards
> >
> > "The (choreographer Gower) Champion touch was felt
> > during the presentation of the Costume Design
> Award.
> > As Jane Fonda read the nominations, she was backed
> by
> > an ersatz rock band, the Soul Rascals, and dancers
> > wearing the nominated costumes. Romeo and Juliet
> did
> > the jerk; "Lion In Winter's" Henry II and Eleanor
> the
> > frug; showgirls from "Star!" shimmied in their
> early
> > 40's tassled outfits; Fagan, the Artful Dodger and
> > Oliver bopped about: and finally, one of the apes
> from
> > "Planet of the Apes" was found sitting next to a
> > surprised Jack Wild in the orchestra before
> bounding
> > onstage to thrash among the other dancers. The
> winner,
> > "Romeo and Juliet"'s Danilo Donati, was absent, so
> the
> > barefoot Jane boogied out among the costumed
> dancers
> > and handed the Oscar to Romeo, who held it aloft."
> >
> > Anybody have a pic or clip of this?? I'm also
> looking
> > for pics of John Chambers getting his Oscar from
> the
> > chimp and Walter Matthau.....(I thought I had some
> but
> > can't find them) ........Oddly there is no mention
> of
> > this segment in the book!
> >
> > Where can one find old Oscar footage? Would you
> have
> > to go to the Academy in LA and ask to see footage?
> I'm
> > sure they wouldn't release it because of
> > copyrights.....Jeff.....why don't you swing by
> there
> > and ask!! lol
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >

On 4/10/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Thanks, James. I'll check into that. I thought that checking with
the wardrobe (apparently set decoration) guy was a good idea. (It was
the carpet bag miller that suggested it.)

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Possibly. But it wouldn't be wardrobe.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@> wrote:
> >
> > Hmmm...
> >
> > Would that be set decoration?
> >
> > Set Decoration by
> > Stuart A. Reiss
> > Walter M. Scott
> >
> > Reiss, born 1921, is still alive. Mr. Scott is not.
> >
> > Helen
> >
>

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the Tonight Show appearances
outakes, jokes and bloopers
missing scenes and behind the scenes
costume and makeup tests and
whatever else thy've got.


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In a message dated 4/10/08 2:40:46 PM, jessicarotich@... writes:

The light wool is what I think I want my costume to be (I am always cold anyway),


I don't think anyone in ape makeup is ever cold.
It's like putting on a wetsuit hood over a ski mask.




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In a message dated 4/10/08 4:21:23 PM, apefan23@... writes:

"The (choreographer Gower) Champion touch was felt
during the presentation of the Costume Design Award.


I wish I did!
Marge & Gower Champion were good
friends of Kim and her husband.


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In a message dated 4/10/08 10:22:09 PM, aboro3085@... writes:

Why "they" (as in the producers of the BEHIND documentary and the
distributor of the TV series soundtrack CD) think Eric Greene is some
sort of world renowned APES authority is beyond me. Yes, he wrote his
book and all and that's fine, but someone who wrote a glorified college
thesis is nowhere near the authority with real knowledge as some of the
other people are, and it's time they get their time in the spot-light
so to speak.


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This is the end of a sad week for PotA fans with the passing of Charlton Heston. Unfortunately, as time goes on we will lose more of the people who helped to make the films and TV series we all love.

The best we can do to remember them is to continue to honor and celebrate their work.

This week's entry of CORNELIUS' JOURNAL is now available. 

To read the JOURNAL entry either click the banner on the Yahoo home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm

Have a great weekend everybody!

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Did they really? I though that was all Roddy. I'll have to watch the DVD again .

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Upcoming APES remasters

On 4/11/08, LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

In a message dated 4/10/08 2:40:46 PM, jessicarotich@... writes:

The light wool is what I think I want my costume to be (I am always cold anyway),


I don't think anyone in ape makeup is ever cold.
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The art gallery show in Atlanta opens tomorrow and I'm
going to try my damndest to get there but I can't
promise....They do have some works up on their website
now......some fun stuff....I'm wanting those 3D plush
thingys!

check them out!

http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/Damn%20Dirty%20Ape.html"

Tim

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Tim apefan <apefan23@...> wrote:

The art gallery show in Atlanta opens tomorrow and I'm
going to try my damndest to get there but I can't
promise....They do have some works up on their website
now......some fun stuff....I'm wanting those 3D plush
thingys!

check them out!

http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/Damn%20Dirty%20Ape.html"

Tim

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In a message dated 4/11/08 10:53:47 AM, jessicarotich@... writes:

And how long can you stay made up like this before going ape? I still really want to get in the goo...
Jessica.



I guess it depends on how claustrophobic you are.
I can stand it a couple few hours if it's not hot.
Though people have gone a couple days in it.
I don't know if it was this group or the other
one, but I seem to remember someone
saying he spent the better part of a
week in it.  Said he was conditioned
as a child by running around his
neighborhood wearing a mask.


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That's the art. It's called an Ape at midnight ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> All I see is a black screen.
>
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Tim,

I liked those 3D "thingys," too. Cool, huh?

I LOVE Porkchop's "Distant Relative." Check it out!

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> The art gallery show in Atlanta opens tomorrow and I'm
> going to try my damndest to get there but I can't
> promise....They do have some works up on their website
> now......some fun stuff....I'm wanting those 3D plush
> thingys!
>
> check them out!
>
>
http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/Damn%20Dirty%20Ape.html"
>
> Tim
>
>

If you get there Tim take lots of pictures! And have fun.

Bruce


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To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:46 am
Subject: [pota] Atlanta show

I don't think anyone in ape makeup is ever cold. It's like putting on a wetsuit hood over a ski mask.

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In a message dated 4/10/08 10:22:09 PM, aboro3085@... writes:

Why "they" (as in the producers of the BEHIND documentary and the
distributor of the TV series soundtrack CD) think Eric Greene is some
sort of world renowned APES authority is beyond me. Yes, he wrote his
book and all and that's fine, but someone who wrote a glorified college
thesis is nowhere near the authority with real knowledge as some of the
other people are, and it's time they get their time in the spot-light
so to speak.

Yes, some of his theories are as out there as Patrick's Mother Ship.

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BTW A new Database has been created titled "Blu-Ray Extras" http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database?method=reportRows&tbl=10

It's an effort to compile a wish of extras fans want to see in the Blu-Ray release. The catagories are broken into Audio, Behind the Scenes, Commentary, Deleted Scenes, Documentary and Other.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: I have uploaded photos of my current Work in Progress

In a message dated 4/11/08 10:53:47 AM, jessicarotich@ gmail.com writes:

And how long can you stay made up like this before going ape?  I still really want to get in the goo...
Jessica.



I guess it depends on how claustrophobic you are.
I can stand it a couple few hours if it's not hot.
Though people have gone a couple days in it.
I don't know if it was this group or the other
one, but I seem to remember someone
saying he spent the better part of a
week in it.  Said he was conditioned
as a child by running around his
neighborhood wearing a mask.


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I have just added a very intresting photo to the files section (see: pota rare photo one). I won it on ebay for the princely sum of 5 dollars. Judging by the date (May 71) it was either taken at Fox studios during the filming of CONQUEST or from an exhibit somewhere at the same time. The paintings in the background appear to be from BENEATH (upper left shows a gorilla crucified; the lower right is the Statue of Liberty). I cannot read what the little sign between the 2 gorillas says. Any other helpful insights from you folks would be greatly appreciated.

Bruce  

Carpet bag occurrences:

1.) An officer carries it to the Air Force Base.
2.) It is shot clearly in the cell, mentioned, and used.
3.) It is beside Zira during the testing.
4.) It is with Zira at the hotel.
5.) It is in the room with Zira when Cornelius hits the orderly.
6.) Zira picks it up on her way from the room.
7.) It travels with Zira to the circus.
8.) It is near Zira when Little Milo is born.
9.) It is with Zira in her escape from Armando's.
10.) Zira disposes of it in the oil drill.
11.) Mention of finding it (although no carpet bag) by an inspector.

Lots of good pictures throughout the movie. I have had a chance to
view the stills and, with the scenes I watched today, I think I can
replicate the bag -- if I can find the right carpet.

From Martina at http://www.retrodesignerdeals.com/ :

"They were very popular around the turn of the century and heavily
used. Condition issues including odor are not uncommon with carpet bags.

However they are not terribly difficult to make."


Still looking...
Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Awesome! Thanks for pointing that out! I cannot believe after all
> these years that has "Escaped" me (pun intended)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> >
> > *** While I do see your point, and agree with it, it has to be
> pointed out that her bag is seen/mentioned at least once between the
> part you spoke of and the end of the film.
> >
> > At the hotel, the porter asks her:
> >
> > "Your luggage ma'am?"
> >
> > To which she replies:
> >
> > "Of course it's mine."
> >
> >
> > drhasslein <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > Depending on your definition, Zira's carpet bag is the only
> McGuffin
> > in the POTA saga (I'm sure this can be debated, it doesn't create
> the
> > action, but under other film maker's interpretations, I would call
> it
> > one.)
> >
> > It's the first thing the Human's mention about the apes
> >
> > "Where did they get those clothes?"
> >
> > "They brought them with them, sir. In that suitcase"
> >
> > "Suitcase?"
> >
> > Then it's forgotton, until the end when its recognition comes back
> > and bites them....
> >
> > One of the many reasons I will argue that the sequels are well
> > written, especially Escape....
> >
> >
> >

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From: stenosaurus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:25 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [pota] POTA Mystery Photo

I have just added a very intresting photo to the files section (see: pota rare photo one). I won it on ebay for the princely sum of 5 dollars. Judging by the date (May 71) it was either taken at Fox studios during the filming of CONQUEST or from an exhibit somewhere at the same time. The paintings in the background appear to be from BENEATH (upper left shows a gorilla crucified; the lower right is the Statue of Liberty). I cannot read what the little sign between the 2 gorillas says. Any other helpful insights from you folks would be greatly appreciated.

Bruce  

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I assume that's Universal Studios in California? Pardon my ignorance...thanks Jeff now I know where my picture is from.

Bruce


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:03 am
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Mystery Photo

On 4/11/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Carpet bag occurrences:

1.) An officer carries it to the Air Force Base.
2.) It is shot clearly in the cell, mentioned, and used.
3.) It is beside Zira during the testing.
4.) It is with Zira at the hotel.
5.) It is in the room with Zira when Cornelius hits the orderly.
6.) Zira picks it up on her way from the room.
7.) It travels with Zira to the circus.
8.) It is near Zira when Little Milo is born.
9.) It is with Zira in her escape from Armando's.
10.) Zira disposes of it in the oil drill.
11.) Mention of finding it (although no carpet bag) by an inspector.

Lots of good pictures throughout the movie. I have had a chance to
view the stills and, with the scenes I watched today, I think I can
replicate the bag -- if I can find the right carpet.

From Martina at http://www.retrodesignerdeals.com/ :

"They were very popular around the turn of the century and heavily
used. Condition issues including odor are not uncommon with carpet bags.

However they are not terribly difficult to make."

Still looking...
Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>

> Awesome! Thanks for pointing that out! I cannot believe after all
> these years that has "Escaped" me (pun intended)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@> wrote:
> >
> > *** While I do see your point, and agree with it, it has to be
> pointed out that her bag is seen/mentioned at least once between the
> part you spoke of and the end of the film.
> >
> > At the hotel, the porter asks her:
> >
> > "Your luggage ma'am?"
> >
> > To which she replies:
> >
> > "Of course it's mine."
> >
> >
> > drhasslein <drhasslein@> wrote:
> > Depending on your definition, Zira's carpet bag is the only
> McGuffin
> > in the POTA saga (I'm sure this can be debated, it doesn't create
> the
> > action, but under other film maker's interpretations, I would call
> it
> > one.)
> >
> > It's the first thing the Human's mention about the apes
> >
> > "Where did they get those clothes?"
> >
> > "They brought them with them, sir. In that suitcase"
> >
> > "Suitcase?"
> >
> > Then it's forgotton, until the end when its recognition comes back
> > and bites them....
> >
> > One of the many reasons I will argue that the sequels are well
> > written, especially Escape....
> >
> >
> > > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> > http://mail.yahoo.com

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How many times did you have to glue your lower jaw back on?


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I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a few years back,the
year the Archives card set was released. I was looking at the archives
display, no one was around, and I hear a voice behind me "Oooo, Planet
of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis with a child in hand.
Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned around to look at the
display again. Later I wanted to kick myself, because I never could
find him in Battle, and should have asked how to spot him. I'm
assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes friend, he is the balding
man with the long hair helping with the wagon wheel in the opening? The
only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article says he has long hair.
I've only seen him with a full head of hair, which now I'm assuming is
a toupee... Am I correct?

Haristas@... wrote:

Addresses, email addresses, phone and fax numbers will be forthcoming
from James. We're still trying to figure out who exactly to address
letters to at Fox. (Who's the executive closest to the project? Maybe
Joe Russo will find out tomorrow. I'll ask him to ask.)

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This is John Landis in Battle.....


--- drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:

> I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a few
> years back,the
> year the Archives card set was released. I was
> looking at the archives
> display, no one was around, and I hear a voice
> behind me "Oooo, Planet
> of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis with
> a child in hand.
> Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned
> around to look at the
> display again. Later I wanted to kick myself,
> because I never could
> find him in Battle, and should have asked how to
> spot him. I'm
> assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes friend,
> he is the balding
> man with the long hair helping with the wagon wheel
> in the opening? The
> only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article says
> he has long hair.
> I've only seen him with a full head of hair, which
> now I'm assuming is
> a toupee... Am I correct?
>
>

Unfortunatly I am NOT going to be able to go....got
too much work and stuff to deal with! I talked to the
owner and he said they had heard from goapebilly and
it looks like he will make it.....
He also said they will be putting pics of the opening
on their website....

Tim
--- stenosaurus@... wrote:

> If you get there Tim take lots of pictures! And have
> fun.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:46 am
> Subject: [pota] Atlanta show
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The art gallery show in Atlanta opens tomorrow and
> I'm
> going to try my damndest to get there but I can't
> promise....They do have some works up on their
> website
> now......some fun stuff....I'm wanting those 3D
> plush
> thingys!
>
> check them out!
>
>

http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/Damn%20Dirty%20Ape.html"

>
> Tim
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: drhasslein

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 3:39 AM

Subject: [pota] Where is Landis?

I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a few years back,the
year the Archives card set was released. I was looking at the archives
display, no one was around, and I hear a voice behind me "Oooo, Planet
of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis with a child in hand.
Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned around to look at the
display again. Later I wanted to kick myself, because I never could
find him in Battle, and should have asked how to spot him. I'm
assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes friend, he is the balding
man with the long hair helping with the wagon wheel in the opening? The
only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article says he has long hair.
I've only seen him with a full head of hair, which now I'm assuming is
a toupee... Am I correct?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 8:34 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Where is Landis?

This is John Landis in Battle.....

--- drhasslein <drhasslein@yahoo. com> wrote:

> I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a few
> years back,the
> year the Archives card set was released. I was
> looking at the archives
> display, no one was around, and I hear a voice
> behind me "Oooo, Planet
> of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis with
> a child in hand.
> Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned
> around to look at the
> display again. Later I wanted to kick myself,
> because I never could
> find him in Battle, and should have asked how to
> spot him. I'm
> assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes friend,
> he is the balding
> man with the long hair helping with the wagon wheel
> in the opening? The
> only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article says
> he has long hair.
> I've only seen him with a full head of hair, which
> now I'm assuming is
> a toupee... Am I correct?
>
>

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Yeah, the last THX "anamorphic" transfer has a 5.1 remix, but it's all just remixed mono.  I hope most of ESCAPE's music can be found in true stereo.

 

-- Rory

 

In a message dated 4/12/2008 4:37:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Did they ever do a stereo mix with Dolby 5.1 surround for Escape?


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That's the way it goes sometimes...we can check their website for new photos anyway. No big deal.

Bruce


-----Original Message-----
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 2:29 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Atlanta show

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That's not Landis.

 

Landis can be seen in the opening credits, with a beard and long hair, looking at the camera, and when Aldo issues the order to round up all the humans, Landis is the first one grabbed.

 

-- Rory

 

In a message dated 4/12/2008 12:11:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

This is John Landis in Battle.....

--- drhasslein <drhasslein@yahoo. com> wrote:

> I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a few
> years back,the
> year the Archives card set was released. I was
> looking at the archives
> display, no one was around, and I hear a voice
> behind me "Oooo, Planet
> of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis with
> a child in hand.
> Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned
> around to look at the
> display again. Later I wanted to kick myself,
> because I never could
> find him in Battle, and should have asked how to
> spot him. I'm
> assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes friend,
> he is the balding
> man with the long hair helping with the wagon wheel
> in the opening? The
> only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article says
> he has long hair.
> I've only seen him with a full head of hair, which
> now I'm assuming is
> a toupee... Am I correct?
>
>

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are you sure? I've always thought the curly haired guy
was him...!
are either of these who you are talking about? The guy
in the opening credits looks like it could be the
first one grabbed to the corral,,...the gorillas grab
a chimp child off his back but it's hard to see his
face.....

the guy helping Jake with the cart is definitely NOT
Landis......it is odd that this gentleman is not
listed as Jake's friend where Landis is and is nowhere
near Jake! If he;s not one of these , can somebody
screen grab him? I'd love to know once and for
all.....

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> That's not Landis.
>
> Landis can be seen in the opening credits, with a
> beard and long hair,
> looking at the camera, and when Aldo issues the
> order to round up all the humans,
> Landis is the first one grabbed.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2008 12:11:58 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> This is John Landis in Battle.....
>
> --- drhasslein <_drhasslein@..._
> (mailto:drhasslein@...) > wrote:
>
> > I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a
> few
> > years back,the
> > year the Archives card set was released. I was
> > looking at the archives
> > display, no one was around, and I hear a voice
> > behind me "Oooo, Planet
> > of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis
> with
> > a child in hand.
> > Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned
> > around to look at the
> > display again. Later I wanted to kick myself,
> > because I never could
> > find him in Battle, and should have asked how to
> > spot him. I'm
> > assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes
> friend,
> > he is the balding
> > man with the long hair helping with the wagon
> wheel
> > in the opening? The
> > only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article
> says
> > he has long hair.
> > I've only seen him with a full head of hair,
> which
> > now I'm assuming is
> > a toupee... Am I correct?
> >
> >
>
>

In Beneath, Zaius seems more intelligent than man, mutant, or ape. He
seems far better equipped to deal with the the hallucinations. He
rides into the fire, doubts the bleeding Lawgiver, and withstands the
fall of the Great Lawgiver statue. He trusts his knowledge and goes
against the visions. Are we supposed to think it is BECAUSE he lacks
intelligence, as the mutants suggest? Common sense dictates that it
is BECAUSE he is intelligent enough to doubt the impossible and
unlikely and go with what he knows to be truth.

Inside, he knows the danger of the bomb and tries to warn the gorillas
before they pull it down. He fears that man will detonate the thing,
and, indeed, man does.

He continuously wrestles with the fact that he is both keeper of the
faith and minister of science. He has a dilemma, and he has to
reconcile that within himself. It is a struggle for him throughout
both movies.

I believe he is probably the most intelligent (with the information he
has) of all the beings assembled on the planet at that time -- except
for maybe Milo, who escapes with Cornelius and Zira.

Helen

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:21 PM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [pota] Re: Where is Landis?

are you sure? I've always thought the curly haired guy
was him...!
are either of these who you are talking about? The guy
in the opening credits looks like it could be the
first one grabbed to the corral,,...the gorillas grab
a chimp child off his back but it's hard to see his
face.....

the guy helping Jake with the cart is definitely NOT
Landis...... it is odd that this gentleman is not
listed as Jake's friend where Landis is and is nowhere
near Jake! If he;s not one of these , can somebody
screen grab him? I'd love to know once and for
all.....

Tim

--- Haristas@aol. com wrote:

> That's not Landis.
>
> Landis can be seen in the opening credits, with a
> beard and long hair,
> looking at the camera, and when Aldo issues the
> order to round up all the humans,
> Landis is the first one grabbed.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2008 12:11:58 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@yahoo. com writes:
>
>
>
>
> This is John Landis in Battle.....
>
> --- drhasslein <_drhasslein@ yahoo.drh_
> (mailto:drhasslein@yahoo. com) > wrote:
>
> > I missed an opportunity at San Diego Comic Con a
> few
> > years back,the
> > year the Archives card set was released. I was
> > looking at the archives
> > display, no one was around, and I hear a voice
> > behind me "Oooo, Planet
> > of the Apes!" I turn around and its John Landis
> with
> > a child in hand.
> > Not being a fan of his films, I smiled & turned
> > around to look at the
> > display again. Later I wanted to kick myself,
> > because I never could
> > find him in Battle, and should have asked how to
> > spot him. I'm
> > assuming, that since he is credited as Jakes
> friend,
> > he is the balding
> > man with the long hair helping with the wagon
> wheel
> > in the opening? The
> > only clue I have is the Famous Monsters article
> says
> > he has long hair.
> > I've only seen him with a full head of hair,
> which
> > now I'm assuming is
> > a toupee... Am I correct?
> >
> >
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
>

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*** As pointed out by others, the guy with the curly hair and beard isn't Landis. In actuality, he turned up as an extra in BATTLE because his audition for the band KANSAS didn't quite work out the way he hoped. ***

"Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

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In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:57:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

In Beneath, Zaius seems more intelligent than man, mutant, or ape. He
seems far better equipped to deal with the the hallucinations.

 

He's not smart enough to not piss Taylor off when he's packing thermonuclear heat.

But seriously, he's the only one who doesn't believe in the illusions because of his faith.

It doesn't take intelligence to have blind faith.  That's why Taylor can't talk sense to him. 

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The latest issue of UK Genre magazine SFX has a full page review of
Boulle's Monkey Planet as part of their regular Book Club feature.

The review isn't available on line (not yet anyway) but they do have a
public forum where you can make your own comments.

<http://forum.sfx.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=13169>

Dave

Yes, T, but I think it's deeper than that for him. He is questioning
his faith when, in Planet, he has Cornelius read from the Scroll and
then goes on to suggest that man made a mess of the planet when they
had the chance.

He doesn't want man to take over. He may well use his "faith" to
suppress the humans and keep the apes from "getting it" -- but he knows.

He doesn't have blind faith. He has questioning faith and a desire to
keep things under control. His control, maybe.

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:57:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@... writes:
>
> In Beneath, Zaius seems more intelligent than man, mutant, or ape. He
> seems far better equipped to deal with the the hallucinations.
>
>
>
> He's not smart enough to not piss Taylor off when he's packing
thermonuclear
> heat.
> But seriously, he's the only one who doesn't believe in the illusions
> because of his faith.
> It doesn't take intelligence to have blind faith. That's why Taylor
can't
> talk sense to him.
>
>
>
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In a message dated 4/12/2008 8:44:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

are you sure? I've always thought the curly haired guy
was him...!
are either of these who you are talking about? The guy
in the opening credits looks like it could be the
first one grabbed to the corral,,...the gorillas grab
a chimp child off his back but it's hard to see his
face.....

Yes, I am sure.  I couldn't remember if he had a beard or not.  Looks like not.  That's him under FRANK during Frank Capra Jr.'s credit, and that's him who gets grabbed and yells "Hey!"  He'd just had SCHLOCK released and went on the Jonny Carson show and that's where Arthur Jacobs saw him and offered him a bit in BATTLE, but in 1969 Landis worked in the Fox mail room and saw BENEATH in production.

 

By the way, I can't stand John Landis, blame him for those deaths on the set of TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE, and I think Hunter's favorite movie is AN AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON, which is the only Landis film I like.

 

-- Rory

 

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There are probably other better links, but this is one I just read:

 

http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news-story/ar/_a/friends-family-mourn-heston-at-funeral/20080412175509990001

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