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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Karyl Miller <gone2thebad@...> wrote:
>
> The sad thing is, the ape society became just as bad as the human
society.
> They hunted for pleasure, performed experiments, supposedly to
further their knowledge, but in reality to cut down on the human
population. They hid facts about ape society and human society and how
the two came about.
> Yeah, superior to humans my foot.
>
>
> Karyl Miller
>
>

>
> The sad thing is, the ape society became just as bad as the human

> They hunted for pleasure, performed experiments, supposedly to

> Yeah, superior to humans my foot.
>
>
> Karyl Miller
>
>

> In a message dated 4/12/2008 8:44:16 P.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> are you sure? I've always thought the curly haired
> guy
> was him...!
> are either of these who you are talking about? The
> guy
> in the opening credits looks like it could be the
> first one grabbed to the corral,,...the gorillas
> grab
> a chimp child off his back but it's hard to see his
> face.....
> Yes, I am sure. I couldn't remember if he had a
> beard or not. Looks like
> not. That's him under FRANK during Frank Capra
> Jr.'s credit, and that's him
> who gets grabbed and yells "Hey!" He'd just had
> SCHLOCK released and went on
> the Jonny Carson show and that's where Arthur Jacobs
> saw him and offered him
> a bit in BATTLE, but in 1969 Landis worked in the
> Fox mail room and saw
> BENEATH in production.
>
> By the way, I can't stand John Landis, blame him for
> those deaths on the set
> of TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE, and I think Hunter's
> favorite movie is AN
> AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON, which is the only
> Landis film I like.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
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On 4/12/08, LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Jessica, I'm in awe of your stuff.
If you ever want to sell the Escape
Ira you have a customer in me!


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>
> >
> > By the way, I can't stand John Landis, blame him for
> > those deaths on the set
> > of TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE, and I think Hunter's
> > favorite movie is AN
> > AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON, which is the only
> > Landis film I like.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> There are probably other better links, but this is one I just read:
>
>
_http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news-story/ar/_a/friends-famil
> y-mourn-heston-at-funeral/20080412175509990001_
>
(http://news.aol.com/entertainment/movies/movie-news-story/ar/_a/friends-family-mourn-heston-at-funeral/2008
> 0412175509990001)

In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:57:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

In Beneath, Zaius seems more intelligent than man, mutant, or ape. He seems far better equipped to deal with the the hallucinations.

 

He's not smart enough to not piss Taylor off when he's packing thermonuclear heat.

But seriously, he's the only one who doesn't believe in the illusions because of his faith. It doesn't take intelligence to have blind faith.  That's why Taylor can't talk sense to him. 

*** Right on T, Zaius is a religious fanatic.

 

When they're encountering the "burning Lawgiver" he doesn't say or do anything that would say he's going to disprove because he's intelligent. When faced with the illusion he states:

 

"The spirit of the Lawgiver lives! We are still God's chosen. This is a vision and it is a lie!

 

Nothing in those lines would indicate that he was going to prove the vision  false by "scientific means". But, he does bring God into it, showing that it is his religious fanaticism that will help him prove the vision's falsehood.

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He is questioning his faith when, in Planet, he has Cornelius read from the Scroll and then goes on to suggest that man made a mess of the planet when they
had the chance.

 

 

*** Huh?!? Can you explain this better because I do not get where you're coming from. I really don't get where you think he's questioning his faith.

 

What he knows of Man was set down by the greatest ape of all, their Lawgiver. The apes say that The Lawgiver is God's prophet, and Zaius believes what The Lawgiver says in the Sacred Scrolls, and as such, what they say goes. When Zaius (talking to Taylor about Humanity) says: "And you're right, I have always known about Man. I believe his wisdom must walk hand in hand with his idiocy. His emotions must rule his brain. He must be a warlike creature who gives battle to everything around him, even himself" and then goes on to say "The Forbidden Zone was once a paradise. Your breed made a desert of it ages ago". Where does he say anything that would indicate that maybe he doubts what the Sacred Scrolls say? Where does it appear that he questions his faith? If anything, the Scrolls writings justify his beliefs and his beliefs justify the Scrolls teachings.

 

His faith is entirely based on the Sacred Scrolls and the teachings of their God's prophet, The Lawgiver. Everything he believes about Man is set forth in the Scrolls. There is nowhere that he questions his faith. What he knows/believes about Man is all around him. The once paradise Forbidden Zone is proof enough to him that Man is indeed the beast who is the Devil's Pawn. ***

 

 

He doesn't want man to take over. He may well use his "faith" to suppress the humans and keep the apes from "getting it" -- but he knows.

 

** Well, he is not the only one who knows the truth about Man. Remember, Dr. Zaius is not the ruler of the Apes society. There are many more who are above him in power and they too believe the Scrolls teachings. To lay it all at the feet of Zaius is just wrong. Yes, he could hypothetically say that maybe the Scrolls aren't entirely true, but you know if he did, he's be killed and there'd be another fanatic ready and willing to take his place.

 

And, where does he ever say that he doesn't know the truth about Man? As stated above, he says that he always knew about Man. He and the entire ruling class of apes are keeping the truth suppressed. It's not one single ape.

 

He doesn't have blind faith. He has questioning faith and a desire to
keep things under control. His control, maybe.

 

*** He has blind faith. Yes, he wants to keep the status quo in order, but he never doubts his religious faith. ***

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Warring, hateful, vengeful, bigoted...

 

*** Sounds just like Dr. Zaius (the most intelligent ape other than Milo). ***

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LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:57:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

In Beneath, Zaius seems more intelligent than man, mutant, or ape.

 

He's not smart enough to not piss Taylor off when he's packing thermonuclear heat.

 

*** I just wanted to add one more thing to this...

Dr. Zaius is indeed a religious fanatic who does not "question his faith" at all. If he questioned/doubted his faith at all, he wouldn't have left Taylor detonate the Alpha-Omega bomb.

 

He knew what the bomb was capable of, and he knew it was built by Man... Yet knowing all of that, he left Taylor to destroy everything because he was too stupid to give up his religious dogmas about Mankind. If he doubted his faith he would have said (at least to himself) "The scrolls are wrong, not all of Mankind is a harbinger of death. Taylor is a rational, reasoning human being. Maybe he and I can work together to save this situation from getting any worse."

 

BUT, he stuck to his fanaticism (and never doubting his faith for a minute) said to Taylor "Man is evil, capable of nothing but destruction!"

 

He was a religious fanatic, stubbornly holding onto his ideas about Man (and everything else) right until the end. If he was as smart as people think he was, he would have rationally tried to alleviate the situation, but he never doubted he was wrong about things and the world was made to pay for it.

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> Commentaries by:
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> Joe Russo
> Bill Creber
> Linda Harrison

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> I'll add to it as well as making up lists, or partial lists for the
> other films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> Jessica, I'm in awe of your stuff.
> If you ever want to sell the Escape
> Ira you have a customer in me!

> By the way, I can't stand John Landis, blame him for those deaths on the set
> of TWILIGHT ZONE: THE MOVIE, and I think Hunter's favorite movie is AN
> AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON, which is the only Landis film I like.

> The word on Landis before the incident was that he
> was a major
> asshole. His success up until them made him like his shit really didn't
> stink.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/14/2008 1:42:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> goathunter@... writes:
>
> I've always gotten the impression that he's a major asshole. All
you
> need to do is see an interview with him to realize it, I think.
>
> Hunter
> You're a very perceptive guy, Hunter. I read a story once (I
think from an
> old girlfriend of his) that before Landis hit it big as a
director, and was
> miserable that Hollywood hadn't thrown there arms around him,
(this would be
> after SCHLOCK but before KENTUCKY FRIED MOVIE) he used to go out
in the
> streets with a camera and interview people, telling them it was for
some film or
> such. What he didn't tell them was there was no film in the
camera.
> Apparently, after he got home, he'd make fun of them for thinking
he was interested in
> what they had to say or how they acted with a camera stuck in
their puss.
> Nice guy --- AND MAJOR ASSHOLE!
>
> By the way, I used to be obsessed with AMERICAN WEREWOLF. Watched
it damn
> near every weekend for a year or two, back when I was in college
over
> twenty-five years ago! Now, I find the movie very dated.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
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I think the best commentaries are when someone is present and
contributes from the beginning to the end of the movie. That, to me,
is a true commentary and not just a collection of familiar soundbites.

*** Oh, I agree with you there... Just as long as everyone is actually sticking to the subject, which I'm sure in this case they would be. ( I only say that because on my FAMILY GUY dvds for instance, half the time on the commentaries they're talking about everything but FAMILY GUY.)

 

And, as far as the "soundbites, I hear ya there, the 35th Anniversary dvd of PLANET was quite disappointing. It was pretty much the same stuff that they showed Kim and Roddy saying in the BEHIND documentary. Hopefully the commentaries will be better this time around.

 

And, speaking of the Kim and Roddy interviews from the BEHIND documentary, I'd like to see the complete interview of Kim and Heston the same way the entire Roddy interview was released. ***

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In a message dated 4/13/2008 10:56:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

"Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it."

Helen

 

Unless Chuck blows up the World! Then those who did learn are forced to repeat it, in a circular timeline.

*** Let's hypothetically say it is a circular timeline (which is not my opinion), there is no proof that everything will be the same. I just find it impossible to believe that everything would be exactly the same the second, third and forth time around. There are way too many variables to expect that everything would follow the same exact path. ***

 

 

 

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>Leo Lotito did not work on Escape-that's why his name isn't in the

>
> In a message dated 4/14/2008 12:58:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> smugster2000@... writes:
>
> Dan Strepieke could be a very interesting choice, nice one!
>
>
>
> Would have liked to se Leo Lotito, but he's dead too.
> I wonder why EPOTA isn't on his list of credits.
>
>
>
>
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>

Thanks I just voted.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Vote for POTA as the greatest Sci-fi franchise ever. Results are
> supposed to be revealed at Comic Con.
>
> http://agentdvdonline.com/
>

>
> Vote for POTA as the greatest Sci-fi franchise ever. Results are
> supposed to be revealed at Comic Con.
>
> http://agentdvdonline.com/
>

 

 

But here's a review that's way off.  Calling Chuck's Sci-fi Flicks B-Movies.  Hardly.

 

*** Well, in all fairness to whoever reviewed them, I do have to agree that THE OMEGA MAN does look like, and has the feel of, a B flick... SOYLENT GREEN isn't too far behind on that either...

But calling APES a B movie is a crock of it!

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In a message dated 4/14/2008 11:16:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aboro3085@... writes:

There are way too many variables to expect that everything would follow the same exact path. ***

 

 

 

Well, we know for a fact, if Ape history is correct, that things weren't the same.

There was an Aldo, but it was Lisa who first said "No", and not as an act of

rebellion against her human masters, but to prevent Caesar from slaughtering

them wholesale.  So there were a lot of variables that could have played out in

different ways.  I'm sure that's hwy they have an 'open ending' on the series. 

So the audience can imagine all the possibilities for themselves.

 

*** Perhaps you're one of them that does see it that way, but I'd say a good 80% or more who insist that the whole thing is a big circle that will repeat itself do indeed think that everything will eventually follow  the same path and end up with the Earth being blown up. ***

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>
> In a message dated 4/15/2008 1:27:03 P.M. Central
> Daylight Time,
> softparadeband@... writes:
>
> --- In _pota@..._
> (mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com) , LordTZer0@..,
> Lo
> >Leo Lotito did not work on Escape-that'Leo Lotito
> did not work on Escap
> credits.
>
>
>
> Wait a minute. Well this is strange.
> I don't see him listed for any films
> even as uncredited. And yet Kim
> says he did her makeup. And I
> have pictures of him doing her makeup.
> What's Up With That? Was he not
> proud of his involvement? I wonder.
>
>
>
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>

> I just talked to Dirk who owns the lowbrow gallery
> in
> Atlanta and he said that there were 500 people there
> Saturday night for the opening of the "Damn Dirty
> Ape" show! The biggest crowd he's had at an opening!
> He said it was a lot of fun.....
>
> Pics from opening night can be seen here:
>
>

>
> the art can be seen here:
>
>

>
> I did not get to go but I did order the set of three
> "Circuspunks" by Jason Kuchis.......they arrived
> today and they are awesome..... The glyphs spell his
> last name..!
>
> I wanted to buy the piece called "Timeless" but he
> sold it yesterday....
>
> So check them out and if you are in Atlanta , it
> runs
> til April 3
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> LordTZer0@... wrote: In a message dated 4/12/2008 7:57:19
P.M. Central Daylight Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:
> In Beneath, Zaius seems more intelligent than man, mutant, or ape.
>
>
> He's not smart enough to not piss Taylor off when he's packing
thermonuclear heat.
>
>
> *** I just wanted to add one more thing to this...
> Dr. Zaius is indeed a religious fanatic who does not "question
his faith" at all. If he questioned/doubted his faith at all, he
wouldn't have left Taylor detonate the Alpha-Omega bomb.
>
> He knew what the bomb was capable of, and he knew it was built by
Man... Yet knowing all of that, he left Taylor to destroy everything
because he was too stupid to give up his religious dogmas about
Mankind. If he doubted his faith he would have said (at least to
himself) "The scrolls are wrong, not all of Mankind is a harbinger of
death. Taylor is a rational, reasoning human being. Maybe he and I can
work together to save this situation from getting any worse."
>
> BUT, he stuck to his fanaticism (and never doubting his faith for
a minute) said to Taylor "Man is evil, capable of nothing but
destruction!"
>
> He was a religious fanatic, stubbornly holding onto his ideas
about Man (and everything else) right until the end. If he was as
smart as people think he was, he would have rationally tried to
alleviate the situation, but he never doubted he was wrong about
things and the world was made to pay for it.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> well...the links came through with some spaces....take
> the spaces out and they will work...
>
>
> --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> > I just talked to Dirk who owns the lowbrow gallery
> > in
> > Atlanta and he said that there were 500 people there
> > Saturday night for the opening of the "Damn Dirty
> > Ape" show! The biggest crowd he's had at an opening!
> > He said it was a lot of fun.....
> >
> > Pics from opening night can be seen here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/DDAOpeningNightPhotos.html"
> >
> > the art can be seen here:
> >
> >
> http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/DamnDirtyApe.html"
> >
> > I did not get to go but I did order the set of three
> > "Circuspunks" by Jason Kuchis.......they arrived
> > today and they are awesome..... The glyphs spell his
> > last name..!
> >
> > I wanted to buy the piece called "Timeless" but he
> > sold it yesterday....
> >
> > So check them out and if you are in Atlanta , it
> > runs
> > til April 3
> >
> > Tim

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Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:33 AM

Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [pota] Re: COMMENTARIES for the upcoming APES remasters

In a message dated 4/15/2008 1:27:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, softparadeband@ yahoo.com writes:

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, LordTZer0@.. . wrote:
>Leo Lotito did not work on Escape-that' s why his name isn't in the
credits.

 

Wait a minute. Well this is strange.

I don't see him listed for any films

even as uncredited. And yet Kim

says he did her makeup.  And I

have pictures of him doing her makeup.

What's Up With That?  Was he not

proud of his involvement?  I wonder.

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Timelines aside, I don't want to give you the impression that I
dropped this and ran the other way. With income tax, seminars, and
meetings, I have not been available for several days. I will respond
soon with my reasons (briefly) for writing what I wrote. I don't
disagree that he is a religious fanatic, and I appreciate the time you
spent in your response(s). Thank you for that.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> Issue #27 Dec 1976 It's sitting right in front of me.
>
> Jeff B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike barrett
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 6:56 PM
> Subject: [pota] marvel pota article question
>
>
> i'm trying to trace down an article from the marvel bw magazine
planet
> of the apes, it contained how to walk like an ape.thanks
>

On 4/16/08, stenosaurus@... <stenosaurus@...> wrote:

I can't get in either guys.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 8:35 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: [PotaDG] Damn Dirty Ape Show in Atlanta

Sorry to hear that you did't make it, Tim. I wonder if Billy went.

The link isn't working for me no matter how I try. I don't have a
Mac... does that make a difference somehow?

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> well...the links came through with some spaces....take
> the spaces out and they will work...
>
>
> --- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> > I just talked to Dirk who owns the lowbrow gallery
> > in
> > Atlanta and he said that there were 500 people there
> > Saturday night for the opening of the "Damn Dirty
> > Ape" show! The biggest crowd he's had at an opening!
> > He said it was a lot of fun.....
> >
> > Pics from opening night can be seen here:
> >
> >
>
http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/DDAOpeningNightPhotos.html"
> >
> > the art can be seen here:
> >
> >
> http://www.lowbrowgalleryatlanta.com/iWeb/thegallery/DamnDirtyApe.html"
> >
> > I did not get to go but I did order the set of three
> > "Circuspunks" by Jason Kuchis.......they arrived
> > today and they are awesome..... The glyphs spell his
> > last name..!
> >
> > I wanted to buy the piece called "Timeless" but he
> > sold it yesterday....
> >
> > So check them out and if you are in Atlanta , it
> > runs
> > til April 3
> >
> > Tim

 

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On 4/16/08, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Hello gang.  Just found this and thought to post in case anybody was interested.  I think there were only 500 produced.  Don't quote me on that.

 

http://www.mondotees.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3519

 

Jessica.

In a message dated 4/16/2008 5:07:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aboro3085@... writes:

I'd say a good 80% or more who insist that the whole thing is a big circle that will repeat itself

 

Then why didn't Aldo say No?

*** He didn't say "NO" because "the circle" was not the same the second time around. The original timeline had the apes enslaved for 500 years and suddenly in CONQUEST they were only enslaved for 8 years. That right there should tell you that things are not going to be the same the second time around.

 

And I am not one that believe everything will be the same. All I was getting at is that most everyone I know of that believes in the "circular timeline" seems to think that everything will end up the same as far as astronaut Taylor landing in the future, followed by Brent, followed by the Earth being destroyed, etc. ***

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** He didn't say "NO" because "the circle" was not the same the second time around. The original timeline had the apes enslaved for 500 years and suddenly in CONQUEST they were only enslaved for 8 years. That right there should tell you that things are not going to be the same the second time around.
>

Or it could tell you that whomever wrote the Apes history got their dates wrong.

On 4/17/08, Jeff <RedSpy13@...> wrote:

Greetings, everyone. Here is the link for a time-lapse (sped up) video
of an artist painting one of the soldier apes from the Tim Burton
remake. I hope some of you enjoy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpKxSKbxOgE

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
>
> *** He didn't say "NO" because "the circle" was not the same the second time around. The original timeline had the apes enslaved for 500 years and suddenly in CONQUEST they were only enslaved for 8 years. That right there should tell you that things are not going to be the same the second time around.
>

Or it could tell you that whomever wrote the Apes history got their dates wrong.

*** I can "maybe" see a mistake of 100 years once you're going into centuries, but I cannot accept the fact that they got 500 years mixed up with less than a decade. ***

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> Today my daughter had to go to school dressed as her favorite
> character from a book. They told her that she couldn't go as
Planet
> of the Apes because that was a movie. But, my daughter insisted it
> was also a book and wanted to go. Well... I agreed.
>
> Anyway, she got dressed as Zira (wasn't allowed to wear a mask) and
> here is the result.
> http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/view/c390?b=14
>
> She took a Baby Milo with her (use your imagination, she's 8) and
> copied the covers of the coloring books from Hunter's site to show
> that Planet of the Apes IS a book (!!), and off she went.
>
> I hope she doesn't get expelled!!!
>

Very true Rich. The original writer, presumably the Lawgiver, never witnessed the history that was being related so inaccuracies could have occured. Plus who knows how many times the history was rewritten and distorted through the centuries.

I believe the history would qualify as a hearsay event, something that the audience doesn't witness but is related by a character. Thus it can be later changed for modified with a simple explaination. The most famous hearsay event in film is Obi-Wan telling Luke that Darth Vader killed his father.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> I chalk it up to the Sacret Scrolls and whatever secret documents
> Cornelius was given access to being wrong. They likely have a lot of
> distorted information in them for the sake of keeping the apes in
> line. We already know the Scrolls are wrong--they indicate history
> began 1,200 years before the first film, which is obviously not the
> case. As such, I consider what we saw happen in the lsat two films as
> being what actually occurred historically, and what we were told in the
> third film as being distorted information from inaccurate records of
> the past. Hence, all discrepencies--Aldo/Lisa/"No," the accelerated
> timescale, etc.--can be accounted for.
>
> How's that? :)
>

--- On Fri, 4/18/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

> From: ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...>
> Subject: [pota] Favorite Character from a Book...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, April 18, 2008, 7:21 AM
> Today my daughter had to go to school dressed as her
> favorite
> character from a book. They told her that she couldn't
> go as Planet
> of the Apes because that was a movie. But, my daughter
> insisted it
> was also a book and wanted to go. Well... I agreed.
>
> Anyway, she got dressed as Zira (wasn't allowed to wear
> a mask) and
> here is the result.
> http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/view/c390?b=14
>
> She took a Baby Milo with her (use your imagination,
> she's 8) and
> copied the covers of the coloring books from Hunter's
> site to show
> that Planet of the Apes IS a book (!!), and off she went.
>
> I hope she doesn't get expelled!!!


________________________

Very cute Helen!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> Today my daughter had to go to school dressed as her favorite
> character from a book. They told her that she couldn't go as Planet
> of the Apes because that was a movie. But, my daughter insisted it
> was also a book and wanted to go. Well... I agreed.
>
> Anyway, she got dressed as Zira (wasn't allowed to wear a mask) and
> here is the result.
> http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/view/c390?b=14
>
> She took a Baby Milo with her (use your imagination, she's 8) and
> copied the covers of the coloring books from Hunter's site to show
> that Planet of the Apes IS a book (!!), and off she went.
>
> I hope she doesn't get expelled!!!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> That's great Helen! Did you give her a copy of "Monkey Planet"
too??? Most certainly a novel!
>
>
> --- On Fri, 4/18/08, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> > From: ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...>
> > Subject: [pota] Favorite Character from a Book...
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Friday, April 18, 2008, 7:21 AM
> > Today my daughter had to go to school dressed as her
> > favorite
> > character from a book. They told her that she couldn't
> > go as Planet
> > of the Apes because that was a movie. But, my daughter
> > insisted it
> > was also a book and wanted to go. Well... I agreed.
> >
> > Anyway, she got dressed as Zira (wasn't allowed to wear
> > a mask) and
> > here is the result.
> > http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/view/c390?b=14
> >
> > She took a Baby Milo with her (use your imagination,
> > she's 8) and
> > copied the covers of the coloring books from Hunter's
> > site to show
> > that Planet of the Apes IS a book (!!), and off she went.
> >
> > I hope she doesn't get expelled!!!
>
>
>
__________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Very true Rich. The original writer, presumably the Lawgiver, never
> witnessed the history that was being related so inaccuracies could
have
> occured. Plus who knows how many times the history was rewritten and
> distorted through the centuries.
>
> I believe the history would qualify as a hearsay event, something
that
> the audience doesn't witness but is related by a character. Thus it
can
> be later changed for modified with a simple explaination. The most
> famous hearsay event in film is Obi-Wan telling Luke that Darth
Vader
> killed his father.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I chalk it up to the Sacret Scrolls and whatever secret documents
> > Cornelius was given access to being wrong. They likely have a lot
of
> > distorted information in them for the sake of keeping the apes in
> > line. We already know the Scrolls are wrong--they indicate history
> > began 1,200 years before the first film, which is obviously not
the
> > case. As such, I consider what we saw happen in the lsat two
films as
> > being what actually occurred historically, and what we were told
in
> the
> > third film as being distorted information from inaccurate records
of
> > the past. Hence, all discrepencies--Aldo/Lisa/"No," the
accelerated
> > timescale, etc.--can be accounted for.
> >
> > How's that? :)
> >
>

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 9:22 AM, digitalcinema <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

I believe it is a circle and I always felt the so
called "discrepancies" were actually a re-writing of history to
adhere to political control. Something must have happened to lead to
what we see in PLANET. The Orangutans are in control with the
Gorillas holding a powerful place in society. The chimps don't hold
any real power or else Zira wouldn't have so much to complain about,
and rightly so.
I believe there was probably some sort of power struggle that took
place between BATTLE and PLANET were resulted a shift in who was in
control. If one figures in the TV series then it has already taken
place. In fact, there even a taste of the chip resentment shown more
than once.
The Orangutans probably not only re-wrote history, but perhaps
covered it up. Case in point – Aldo. Instead of a gorilla being
known as the first ape-killer he would be given a place in history as
the one who said, "No."
The Ape society is a suppressed one that uses religion to keep
everyone in line via a caste system, which in turns keeps away and or
limits change they by keeping those who are in control, in control.
It imposes a religious "reason" for control as well as placement.
With the lawgiver as a supreme figurehead it places Orangutans, like
Levites among the ancient Hebrews, as keeper of faith and the god
given right to govern.
Another point of interest, in ESCAPE Zira and Cornelius never seem to
elude that a chip is ever given credit as being a savior or leading
the revolt that would free their kind. Their son's history seems to
have been wiped out – no wonder his statue cries. His place, hope
for the future, everything is wiped out by his own species. This I
think is yet another point as what I posted previous concerning how
so much like us (humans) the apes sadly become.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Very true Rich. The original writer, presumably the Lawgiver, never
> witnessed the history that was being related so inaccuracies could
have
> occured. Plus who knows how many times the history was rewritten and
> distorted through the centuries.
>
> I believe the history would qualify as a hearsay event, something
that
> the audience doesn't witness but is related by a character. Thus it
can
> be later changed for modified with a simple explaination. The most
> famous hearsay event in film is Obi-Wan telling Luke that Darth
Vader
> killed his father.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I chalk it up to the Sacret Scrolls and whatever secret documents
> > Cornelius was given access to being wrong. They likely have a lot
of
> > distorted information in them for the sake of keeping the apes in
> > line. We already know the Scrolls are wrong--they indicate history
> > began 1,200 years before the first film, which is obviously not
the
> > case. As such, I consider what we saw happen in the lsat two
films as
> > being what actually occurred historically, and what we were told
in
> the
> > third film as being distorted information from inaccurate records
of
> > the past. Hence, all discrepencies--Aldo/Lisa/"No," the
accelerated
> > timescale, etc.--can be accounted for.
> >
> > How's that? :)
> >
>

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>
>
> Very cute Helen!
>
>
>

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:19 AM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Very cute Helen!
>
>
>

Yeah. *grin* In'nt she?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Whatever the school may say, tell her the POTA group award her 1st
prize!
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, she looks adorable! I love that she insisted on wearing her
favorite
> character...one of mine, too.
>
> Jessica.
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:19 AM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, "James"
> > <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Very cute Helen!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah. *grin* In'nt she?
> >
> >
> >
>

>

> Before 1974, most people didn't get credit on films. Dept heads

>
> Jeff B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: LordTZer0@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 2:33 AM
> Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [pota] Re: COMMENTARIES for the

>
>
>
> In a message dated 4/15/2008 1:27:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time,

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@ wrote:
> >Leo Lotito did not work on Escape-that's why his name isn't in

> credits.
>
> Wait a minute. Well this is strange.
> I don't see him listed for any films
> even as uncredited. And yet Kim
> says he did her makeup. And I
> have pictures of him doing her makeup.
> What's Up With That? Was he not
> proud of his involvement? I wonder.
>
>
>
>
>
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:56 AM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

Thanks Jessica (and James). She's a ticket. I know I shouldn't
encourage this stuff... I think they were looking for something more
like "Olivia" (the Pig) Marco in "McElligot's Pool." Oh well...

Helen

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jessica rotich" <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, she looks adorable! I love that she insisted on wearing her
favorite
> character...one of mine, too.
>
> Jessica.
>

> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 8:19 AM, ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, "James"

> > <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Very cute Helen!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Yeah. *grin* In'nt she?
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> LESSONS FROM THE LAWGIVER
>
> 2nd scroll – 14th verse
>
>
> I used to think it CIRCULAR and then I tried LINEAR,
> I even went ALTERNATE,(with the aid of lots of beer!)
> I tried to fathom INFINITE and PARALLEL notions too,
> But still there were DISCREPANCIES and nothing seemed to do.
> I've studied all the THEORIES and searched for PERFECT SENSE,
> and finally resigned myself to sitting on the FENCE!
>
> Dr Zaius
>

>Posted by: "fab988" fab988@... fab988
>Hi i bought the collection and its great, it has a lot of extras from
>the movies and from "cornelius" own collection .

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Helen, your daughter looks great as Zira. And it's pretty disturbing
> if the school isn't aware that Planet of the Apes was a novel
> first....school is supposed to be staffed by people who have learned
> about literature, after all. Methinks they might require a bit of
education.
>

Question...

 

Couldn't this be the paradox Timeline thing <for lack of a better term?>

 

I.E. Ape History was changed at the point Zira and Cornelius entered Taylor's time in Escape POTA in Taylor's Starship, and thus altered the future of apes and humans- giving us Caesar instead of Aldo speaking first and giving the future of Apes and Humans a chance instead of the apoclypyic fate that happened at the end of Beneath POTA...

*** Yes, and that's more or less what I've said for a long time. The arrival of the Ape-onauts sets an entirely new timeline into being.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Rich. I'll tell her! I have to agree with you about their
> ignorance! However, as it turns out, Tiffany's class got first
place!
> Now they can't fault Tiff too badly for going ahead with her
plan!!
> She was grinning when she stepped off the bus and she said, "I wore
it
> all day long!" Heeheehee... A girl after her mommy's heart.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > Helen, your daughter looks great as Zira. And it's pretty
disturbing
> > if the school isn't aware that Planet of the Apes was a novel
> > first....school is supposed to be staffed by people who have
learned
> > about literature, after all. Methinks they might require a bit of
> education.
> >
>