So you really think we should never get to see any deleted clips restored to the film? This is one time where we will have to agree to disagree. Which is a nice aspect of this site.

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:

Stripes is another film where the director participated in restoring deleted scenes. In the case of the Lost World the film was restored to its original release cut. The cut we now have of Planet is the release cut. And adding in scenes that were cut by the Director for its original release is not restoring the film it is tampering with it. Its their work not ours to do with what we will. That's just disrespectful to the original filmmakers.

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But that's the point, it's not up for the viewer to decide. When POTA was made it was not meant to be interactive entertainment where the viewer gets to choose different versions of the film to watch. The scenes that were filmed and not included in the final cut were not included for a reason. In the Behind documentary Mort Abrams explained why the scenes about Nova being pregnant were in the final cut of the film. The original filmmakers made a creative decision not to including those scenes. It is disrepectful for anyone to come along 40 years after the fact and shove those scenes back into their film. And I say their film because it is their film, not anyone else's to tamper with as they wish.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> If those scenes exisit, and if FOX found them a way they could have done it would be through branching. That would let the viewer to decide if they should be in the film or not. Then, the same scenes could have also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus materials.
> That way everyone could be made happy.
> Scott B.
>
> stenosaurus@... wrote:
> So you really think we should never get to see any deleted clips restored to the film? This is one time where we will have to agree to disagree. Which is a nice aspect of this site.
>
> Bruce
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
> Stripes is another film where the director participated in restoring deleted scenes. In the case of the Lost World the film was restored to its original release cut. The cut we now have of Planet is the release cut. And adding in scenes that were cut by the Director for its original release is not restoring the film it is tampering with it. Its their work not ours to do with what we will. That's just disrespectful to the original filmmakers.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> But that's the point, it's not up for the viewer to decide. When
POTA
> was made it was not meant to be interactive entertainment where the
> viewer gets to choose different versions of the film to watch. The
> scenes that were filmed and not included in the final cut were not
> included for a reason. In the Behind documentary Mort Abrams
explained
> why the scenes about Nova being pregnant were in the final cut of
the
> film. The original filmmakers made a creative decision not to
including
> those scenes. It is disrepectful for anyone to come along 40 years
after
> the fact and shove those scenes back into their film. And I say
their
> film because it is their film, not anyone else's to tamper with as
they
> wish.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@> wrote:
> >
> > If those scenes exisit, and if FOX found them a way they could
have
> done it would be through branching. That would let the viewer to
decide
> if they should be in the film or not. Then, the same scenes could
have
> also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus materials.
> > That way everyone could be made happy.
> > Scott B.
> >
> > stenosaurus@ wrote:
> > So you really think we should never get to see any deleted clips
> restored to the film? This is one time where we will have to agree
to
> disagree. Which is a nice aspect of this site.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@ writes:
> > Stripes is another film where the director participated in
restoring
> deleted scenes. In the case of the Lost World the film was restored
to
> its original release cut. The cut we now have of Planet is the
release
> cut. And adding in scenes that were cut by the Director for its
original
> release is not restoring the film it is tampering with it. Its their
> work not ours to do with what we will. That's just disrespectful to
the
> original filmmakers.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> reviews on AOL Autos.
> >
>

> Remember Hunter , if you don't have a digital TV or converter box,
> you won't be watching anything come next February!

>
> I agree with you that they shouldn't be edited in, but having said
> that, as technology gets more and more advanced, people can make
> their own edits of anything anyway, so there really is no point. I
> remember hooking up two vcrs in the late 80's and making my own cut
> of Return of the Jedi (less ewok action)... and now people are
> editing films on Final Cut Pro, like the Star Wars Phantom Edit, so
> its really a losing battle anyway... Film is becoming an

> medium.
>

But that's the point, it's not up for the viewer to decide. When POTA was made it was not meant to be interactive entertainment where the viewer gets to choose different versions of the film to watch. The scenes that were filmed and not included in the final cut were not included for a reason. In the Behind documentary Mort Abrams explained why the scenes about Nova being pregnant were in the final cut of the film. The original filmmakers made a creative decision not to including those scenes. It is disrepectful for anyone to come along 40 years after the fact and shove those scenes back into their film. And I say their film because it is their film, not anyone else's to tamper with as they wish.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote:
>
> If those scenes exisit, and if FOX found them a way they could have done it would be through branching. That would let the viewer to decide if they should be in the film or not. Then, the same scenes could have also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus materials.
> That way everyone could be made happy.
> Scott B.
>
> stenosaurus@ ... wrote:
> So you really think we should never get to see any deleted clips restored to the film? This is one time where we will have to agree to disagree. Which is a nice aspect of this site.
>
> Bruce
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, JamesA1102@. .. writes:
> Stripes is another film where the director participated in restoring deleted scenes. In the case of the Lost World the film was restored to its original release cut. The cut we now have of Planet is the release cut. And adding in scenes that were cut by the Director for its original release is not restoring the film it is tampering with it. Its their work not ours to do with what we will. That's just disrespectful to the original filmmakers.
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> If they would have included the deleted scenes from Planet and
Escape,
> and the Beneath NATO film, I would have been content. I know it can
be
> downloaded from the group, but I would like a video version of NATO
> film. Hunter, if its not on the set, please put it on Rareties 3.
>

>Rory,

>
>
> There are no missing pieces from Planet. The film we see today is the same film that was

> No offense, but... WHAT GENIUS WROTE THIS?!?
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> If those scenes exisit, and if FOX found them a way they could have
done it would be through branching. That would let the viewer to decide
if they should be in the film or not. Then, the same scenes could have
also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus materials.
> That way everyone could be made happy.
> Scott B.
>
> stenosaurus@... wrote:
> So you really think we should never get to see any deleted clips
restored to the film? This is one time where we will have to agree to
disagree. Which is a nice aspect of this site.
>
> Bruce
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:1
7:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:
> Stripes is another film where the director participated in restoring
deleted scenes. In the case of the Lost World the film was restored to
its original release cut. The cut we now have of Planet is the release
cut. And adding in scenes that were cut by the Director for its
original release is not restoring the film it is tampering with it. Its
their work not ours to do with what we will. That's just disrespectful
to the original filmmakers.
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
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>

So how about a second version on the NEXT set with tiny scenes re-inserted like Nova's pregnancy?

Wow! You guys just don't get it. You don't "re-insert" anything. If it didn't make the final cut it don't belong!

-- Rory

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What would be wrong with seeing a different version? Will the director turn over in his grave? Movies like STRIPES have the deleted scenes restored all the time. Is the fact that the director passed on a reason not to restore the film? The original silent LOST WORLD was restored when additional footage was found many many years later.

Bruce

Hey! It ain't yours to mess with, buddy! Even the stupids at the studios know that! As far as I know the director of STRIPES is still alive, and the original LOST WORLD was presented at a certain length when it premiered (I think in 1925) and has been cut to various versions ever since.

If Schaffner had done a longer "director's cut" of PLANET and it had been previewed, then Arthur Jacobs or the studio had decided to trim it to the 112 minutes we all know, then it would be a different story, but that's not the way it happened.

I'd love to see every foot of film shot for PLANET, but as extras, outside of the original version I saw in April 1968.

Even if they found the spider sequence from the original KING KONG, I'd have problems with them putting it back in.

Now, Orson Welles' original c ut of THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS, that's a different story.

-- Rory

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Sure: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Downloads/BeneathNATO.wmv Enjoy!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@...> wrote:
>
> Could anyone point me in the direction of this Beneath Nato film? I
> didn't know of its existence until reading this present thread.I'd be
> happy to watch it in any form. Was it on rarities 1?
>
> Another thing that is puzzling me about the press release is how the
> version of Conquest is being referred to as the "unrated version" not
> released in the US. As far I am aware this version has never been
> released and is the rejected workprint. Are the copywriters getting
> mixed up with the two versions of Battle? I take it that the extra 8
> minutes will include the prologue (ape chase), the death of Breck
> and "happy ending" lopped off. I must say that this is the ape rarity
> I always wanted to see.
>
> I have a feeling (but put me right) that the Escape prologue, though
> filmed, wasn't assembled or the effects shot were not complete. This
> may explain why it was not included. Still at the end of the day it
> seems Fox are not prepared to spend the time nor money on the
> restoration of the small number of deleted scenes that would fully
> satisfy long time fans. Shame that these films will never be licensed
> to those DVD companies that pull out all the stops "cult" releases.
> They would really do the sequels justice
>
> Dave
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" drhasslein@ wrote:
> >
> > If they would have included the deleted scenes from Planet and
> Escape,
> > and the Beneath NATO film, I would have been content. I know it can
> be
> > downloaded from the group, but I would like a video version of NATO
> > film. Hunter, if its not on the set, please put it on Rareties 3.
> >
>

I know it is a shame. But then again some people feel they have the right to rewrite Shakespeare.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> I agree with you that they shouldn't be edited in, but having said
> that, as technology gets more and more advanced, people can make
> their own edits of anything anyway, so there really is no point. I
> remember hooking up two vcrs in the late 80's and making my own cut
> of Return of the Jedi (less ewok action)... and now people are
> editing films on Final Cut Pro, like the Star Wars Phantom Edit, so
> its really a losing battle anyway... Film is becoming an interactive
> medium.
>
>

It's common practice to put seperate films on their own discs in most collections. That way they don't have to be re-authored when they are put out to be sold individually.

As far as the packaging, Richard Ashton asked me if I thought fans would like it. I told him that fans would prefer the films' original One Sheets used instead.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, goapebilly@... wrote:
>
> your right it smells,because were getting crapped on again by fox.and the
> reason there is 5 discs is so they can justify over charging you .instead of
> 25-35 cost they can charge well over a hundred. goapebilly
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2008 9:03:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> digitalcinema@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Those are NOT apes from the films - they're new guys. In fact, that creepy
> orangutan is there. I guess FOX hasn't changes - they still don't know who
> Roddy is.
> ...and there's something else I don't get - if BLU is supposed to hold
> sooooooooo much data WHY THE HELL are there 5 discs?! BENEATH & ESCAPE should fit
> on one disc easy without ruining quality. I can see PLANET with all the
> extras on one disc. Truthfully both CONQUEST and BATTLE could be on one disc
> since they are supposed to be used digital branching - which saves room. With
> all this extra space on each disc they should be SAVING THE CONSUMER MONEY.
> At the very least, it should be 4 discs which would knock off about $30 from
> the set.
> What's the point of pushing all this room on discs if 1. The studios don't
> take advantage to put more stuff on the disc or 2. Condense the amount of
> disc in a set to bring down the price.
> Sorry, this smells.
> Scott B.
>
> drhasslein drhasslein@... wrote:
>
>
> Digital Bits posted the artwork today. No spoilers, looks pretty cool.
>
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Yeah Rory that bothers me about the Apemania faces on the discs...nothing against them but WHERE"S RODDY AND KIM AND MAURICE?????

Let's just face the bitter, sad reality.... our favorite movies are in the hands of STUPIDS! BIG FAT STUPIDS!

I seriously have to wonder how respectful the people at Apemania are of the original films that they would participate in allowing Fox to photograph their "recreations" of the makeups and costumes and put them on the packaging like this? To me it's no different than if some asshole at Fox said, "Hey, those Sideshow figures were cool, let's put them on the covers for the movies!" WTF?!!!?

It's one thing for the Apemania people to stand-in for the originals -- since the originals only existed during the shooting of the films -- at events, shows and whatever, but to replace their images like this, and probably take money for it? Shame on them! Why don't they just shoot the Apemania stuff in HD and CGI it into the original films? Same thing to me.

When will some bloody baboon at Fox realize they should put the original poster images on the covers of these things?!? They do it now with their other older films they own. Is there something wrong with the original APES stuff? (Yeah, the BATTLE poster20stinks, but it is what it is.)

That quote from someone at Fox said this release represented the first time the studio was taking these films seriously (WTF?!?), well this new packing shows they're still not taking these movies seriously. They put them out on their "Playhouse Video" label in the eighties and it just goes to show that to the corporate f--ks these films are little more than kid stuff.

I'd like to insert a big, fat gorilla boot -- which Apemania could no doubt supply -- up their collective corporate asses!

-- Rory

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If those scenes exist, and if FOX found them a way they could have done it would be through branching. That would let the viewer to decide if they should be in the film or not. Then, the same scenes could have also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus materials.

That way everyone could be made happy.

Scott B.

I would NOT be for that either, so it wouldn't make me happy. I respect the decisions made for the excising of those scenes by the original filmmakers. I'm NOT for subverting their artistic choices in anyway. What you're proposing is like finding an author's first draft of a novel and then deciding, "This is what should have been published," then actually go about trying to supplant the original version. It just ain't right.

-- Rory

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I agree with you that they shouldn't be edited in, but having said
that, as technology gets more and more advanced, people can make
their own edits of anything anyway, so there really is no point. I
remember hooking up two vcrs in the late 80's and making my own cut
of Return of the Jedi (less ewok action)... and now people are
editing films on Final Cut Pro, like the Star Wars Phantom Edit, so
its really a losing battle anyway... Film is becoming an interactive
medium.

Yeah, and it's WRONG! It's a violation of intellectual property rights and the powers that be are trying to create laws to punish people for it -- and I support such things.

Now, I'm not saying lock up the guy that took clips from PLANET, made them black&white and created that "Twilight Zone" thing on YouTube, but if Fox choose to have it removed -- I can't argue with that. And what you guys are talking about is even worse. You're free to do whatever you can get away with in your own home, but keep it there.

-- Rory

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Netflix is our friend.

Hunter

Yeah, Netflix is great and I swear, most of the time there ain't a damn thing to watch on either cable or satellite, unless you love being constantly depressed by the news.

But Hunter, you really should get a 16x9 display to watch those DVDs in progressive scan and anamorphic transfers. You'll never want to look at 4:3 TV again!

-- Rory

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I love PLANET. It is a great film, but don't treat it like it's the Holy of Hollies.

May a bloody Lawgiver statue fall on you! I think of PLANET as such a "holy" film that I'm still trying to get over what BENEATH did to it 38 f@&king years ago!

Deal with it!

-- Rory

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Another thing that is puzzling me about the press release is how the
version of Conquest is being referred to as the "unrated version" not
released in the US. As far I am aware this version has never been
released and is the rejected workprint.

As far as I know, the preview version of CONQUEST was what the studio intended to release, and that it wasn't just the reaction of an audience of kids and mothers that made up their minds to re-edit and alter it, but that the MPAA was getting ready to give the film an R rating.

If I'm wrong, someone correct me.

Oh, by the way, it's both versions of CONQUEST that should be included on Blu-ray, not of BATTLE. I'm hoping that the press release is wrong about that.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> It's a very difficult thing to say what exactly the producer/director would thing of options opened to them now via technology that were available then.

That's right we don't know, so it would be presumptous to presume what they would have done and alter their work. If Orson Wells had made 'Citizen Kane' in 2008 instead of 1940 he may have made different creative choices. But we don't know that for sure or what they would have been. And since Wells is not here to tell us, no one has the right to make those assumptions and alter his work. Nor does anyone have the right to make assumptions for Arthur Jacobs or Franklin Schaffner and alter their work. Remember it is their work, not ours. Being fans give us no right of ownership.

>The edits made on PLANET might have been studio induced for length and saving money. The film was very experimental and a risk. To make the film under 2hrs may have been in their minds - or induced upon them by the studio. We don't know.

Sometimes the length of a film is a creative decision in regard to pacing and not dictated by the studio to fit in an extra screening per day. It would be different if there was one version of Planet for its original platform release and another shorter version for its roadshow release. That is not the case here.

> It's just like many issues facing films today. So man older films were in MONO now they are being re-done in stereo.

But that is very different. That is just enhancing what exists using technology unavailable at the time. It is not changing the content of the film.

Do we really know why those cut were made on PLANET?

Some we do such as the Nova pregnancy scenes. Mort Abrams talked about it in the Behind documentary. It was a creative decision to not include those scenes in the final cut.

Is is documented that the Director and Producer were absolutely against those scenes, or for the extended chase through Ape City?

Well they were obviously not for those scenes enough to include them in their final cut.

I'm just saying, branching on a DVD does not permanently alter the film but rather offers as a comparison alternate viewing experience - perhaps making available why those scenes were originally cut by way of seeing how they effect the flow of the picture. IF it is documented anywhere that those scenes were meant to be cut than a placement card could appear after the viewer chooses that version, but before the film begins stating the intentions of the Producer and or Director.

It's not for the viewer to decide which version they get to view. If someone found different versions of the ending of Casablanca, they shouldn't be inserted into the film as a viewing option. "Casablanca now digitally enhanced with a happier ending".

.It's just an option and can even lead into more insight into those who made their decision. In any case this is all moot since we are dealing with a company that has no insight, or depth.

But the same thing and be accomplished by including those scenes as a seperate bonus feature on the disc not by altering the finished film.

> I love PLANET. It is a great film, but don't treat it like it's the Holy of Hollies. Get real, and calm down. We're only have a discussion.
> Scott B.
>
Not saying it is and I would make the same argument even for a film like Ishtar. No one has the right to alter someone else's work. Inserting scenes that were not included in the final cut without the input and approval of the Director and/or Producer is both presumptous and arrogant.

Poor Tom. He picked a bad week to join the group. Things aren't usually this contentious around here.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> Glad to meet you, Tom.
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: Tom
>
> Date: 7/28/2008 8:03:47 PM
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [pota] Hi ALL
>
>
>
> Just joined. It's so cool that I found this group. Looking through the
>
> group I'm so amazed at the stuff you all have. It really brings back
>
> memories. Through the years I've lost most of the things I had
>
> collected, toys and all. Seeing them and the great pics posted is a
>
> trip down memory lane.
>
> Thanks. Really glad I joined.
>
> Tom
>

No argument with that. I would love to see those scenes included as a Special or Bonus feature just not re-inserted into the film.

BTW everyone, it's Bruce's birthday today so be nice to him.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> That would be fine, too. I'd rather see them in the film but "on the
> side" is fine, too-AS LONG AS I SEE THEM!
>
> Bruce
>
>
> If those scenes exisit, and if FOX found them a way they could have
> done it would be through branching.  That would let the viewer to
> decide if they should be in the film or not.  Then, the same scenes
> could have also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus
> materials.
>
> That way everyone could be made happy. 
>
> Scott B.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scott bosco digitalcinema@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 10:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's CONQUEST!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If those scenes exisit, and if FOX found them a way they could have
> done it would be through branching.  That would let the viewer to
> decide if they should be in the film or not.  Then, the same scenes
> could have also been as stand alone segments as part of the bonus
> materials.
>
> That way everyone could be made happy. 
>
> Scott B.
>
> stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> So you really think we should never get to see any deleted clips
> restored to the film? This is one time where we will have to agree to
> disagree. Which is a nice aspect of this site.
>
>  
>
> Bruce
>
>  
>
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2008 8:17:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> JamesA11
> 02@... writes:
>
>
> Stripes is another film where the director participated in restoring
> deleted scenes. In the case of the Lost World the film was restored to
> its original release cut. The cut we now have of Planet is the release
> cut. And adding in scenes that were cut by the Director for its
> original release is not restoring the film it is tampering with it. Its
> their work not ours to do with what we will. That's just disrespectful
> to the original filmmakers.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
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>

That we can agree on birthdayboy!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> That would be fine, too. I'd rather see them in the film but "on the
> side" is fine, too-AS LONG AS I SEE THEM!
>
> Bruce
>
>

I know that it is just a movie but I would make the same argument for any movie whether it be Gone with the Wind or Plan 9 from Outer Space. And remember that any movie represents the hard work of many individuals for months and sometimes years of their lives. It is their work. As fans we don't get the right to alter it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> I understand and respect your opinion James but...I am about to utter
> blasphemy here...it's just a movie!

OK would we agree on having them in a "deleted scenes" disc, separate from the original film?

Bruce

Yes! No problem with that. (and of course, then you geeks could copy them and make your "extended version" -- BUT IT'S WRONG! WRONG, I TELL YOU!)

-- Rory

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As far as the packaging, Richard Ashton asked me if I thought fans would like it. I told him that fans would prefer the films' original One Sheets used instead.

Who's Richard Ashton and how do I get a grip on his b*lls?

-- Rory

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I hate Jar-Jar too but that is just wrong. It's one thing to sit at home and fast forward through those scenes. It is another thing to defile someone elses work and then sell it.

Ten years ago a video service called Cleanflicks recut Titanic to delete the nude scenes. James Cameron took them to court and won not only because of copyright infringement but because what Cleanflicks did was a violation of Cameron's creative artistic expression.

Which version of Battle do you want included?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Oh, by the way, it's both versions of CONQUEST that should be included on Blu-ray, not of BATTLE.  I'm hoping that the press release is wrong about that.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

He is the director of classics for Fox and in charge of the POTA Blu Ray project. He is a really nice guy and wants to make this set something special for the fans. The problem is he is not a fan himself so there are certain things that he just doesn't know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> As far as the packaging, Richard Ashton asked me if I thought fans would like it. I told him that fans would prefer the films' original One Sheets used instead.
> Who's Richard Ashton and how do I get a grip on his b*lls?
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

Which version of Battle do you want included?

The extended version, of course. Since it was obviously scored in that cut, it represents what J. Lee Thompson originally intended.

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 3:15 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's CONQUEST!

Which version of Battle do you want included?

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Oh, by the way, it's both versions of CONQUEST that should be included on Blu-ray, not of BATTLE. Â I'm hoping that the press release is wrong about that.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

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Again, not that it's right but I read somewhere that BlockBuster edits ALL the films it rents.

Bruce

That's news to me. I think you're confused. Blockbuster doesn't rent NC-17 or unrated films, but they don't edit their DVDs, and I don't remember them doing it to laserdiscs or tapes either.

Happy Bday!

-- Rory


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I'm the genius that wrote this and I'm offended by your remark. Ask our mutual friend Joe
Russo, and he would agree with me. These scenes do exist and I've seen one of them on
NYC TV back in the 1980's! There is Taylor's extended attempted escape from Ape City
which is the scene I saw back in the 80's. The second is the gorilla hunting party stopping
the wagon during his final escape. It's clearly a bad break in the film when one minute
Zira's getting them in the wagon and the next they're meeting up with Cornelius in the
cornfield. The score change is abrupt and it's a bad cut. I also own contact sheets of this
cut scene. These scenes should be restored and fans given the option to see both versions.
Or you can just be happy with the same recycled, quickly put together, just in time for
Christmas version that Fox wants to unload on us.

Frank

Oh yeah, I was hoping to meet you at the Ziegfeld, but you were in some kind of bad mood or something and won't go.

Anyway.... You're NUTS if you're seriously trying to tell us you've seen this longer version of PLANET on New York TV in the '80s -- and I think Joe Russo would say the same thing! You had a very vivid dream back then, dude, but it wasn't real!

A nd I'm sure you have contact sheets of these "cut scenes" (I've seen them myself!), but they are scenes from the rough cut of the film -- or in fact may not have even made the rough cut --and are from before the final edit and before Jerry Goldsmith was given the final cut to score.

Look, the Varese Sarabande CD of PLANET has an extended cue to the spaceship sinking scene -- which I would also be against re-inserting unto the film -- but there's no extended version of the cue covering the escape from Ape City that you're taking about.

And I'm going to say this to all of you here that seriously wish Fox would put back into PLANET scenes cut before the final edit and then somehow cover them with Jerry Goldsmith score that doesn't exist -- Why don't you just go find Frank Schaffner's grave and piss on it, and while you're at it do the same to Jerry Goldsmith's?

-- Rory

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He is the director of classics for Fox and in charge of the POTA Blu Ray project. He is a really nice guy and wants to make this set something special for the fans. The problem is he is not a fan himself so there are certain things that he just doesn't know.

Yeah, I think he's the guy with that quote about this being the first time the films are being "taken seriously."

Anyway, I don't see what his not being a fan should have to do with it. The Fox "Cinema Classics Collection" has been great the last couple years in that they've been using original poster and advertising images for their covers (check out: the two "Flint" films, the original "The Fly" and its sequels, "Fantastic Voyage," "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea," "The Sand Pebbles," and many others). Why doesn't APES rate the same treatment?

I think it might have to do with APES still being an active "franchise" with the studio, no matter how crazy that sounds, but the movies continue to sell well and have a minor cult following (as we know).

But I just wish someone at Fox would wise up. First of all, the predominate colors of the packaging should be the original's one-sheet colors of reds, oranges and yellows. The image of the outdoor cage should be dominate (for the very reasons=2 0Dick Zanuck mentions in the "Behind" documentary). I also think the black&white image of Dr. Zaius used on the one-sheet and in the press ads is a powerful one and should be "resurrected" by Fox. To use something from Apemania over that original image is nothing short of a crime. I feel sorry for PLANET, I really do.

As I've said many times before, the original PLANET OF THE APES is a victim of its own success.

-- Rory

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He is the director of classics for Fox and in charge of the POTA Blu Ray project. He is a really nice guy and wants to make this set something special for the fans. The problem is he is not a fan himself so there are certain things that he just doesn't know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> As far as the packaging, Richard Ashton asked me if I thought fans would like it. I told him that fans would prefer the films' original One Sheets used instead.
> Who's Richard Ashton and how do I get a grip on his b*lls?
>
>
>
> -- Rory
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 10:46 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's CONQUEST!

What would be wrong with seeing a different version? Will the director turn over in his grave? Movies like STRIPES have the deleted scenes restored all the time. Is the fact that the director passed on a reason not to restore the film? The original silent LOST WORLD was restored when additional footage was found many many years later.

 

Bruce 

Hey!  It ain't yours to mess with, buddy!  Even the stupids at the studios know that!  As far as I know the director of STRIPES is still alive, and the original LOST WORLD was presented at a certain length when it premiered (I think in 1925) and has been cut to various versions ever since.

If Schaffner had done a longer "director's cut" of PLANET and it had been previewed, then Arthur Jacobs or the studio had decided to trim it to the 112 minutes we all know, then it would be a different story, but that's not the way it happened.

I'd love to see every foot of film shot for PLANET, but as extras, outside of the original version I saw in April 1968.

Even if they found the spider sequence from the original KING KONG, I'd have problems with them putting it back in.

Now, Orson Welles' original c ut of THE MAGNIFICENT AMBERSONS, that's a different story.

-- Rory

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--- On Sat, 8/2/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's CONQUEST!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:52 PM
> That we can agree on birthdayboy!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
> >
> > That would be fine, too. I'd rather see them in
> the film but "on the
> > side" is fine, too-AS LONG AS I SEE THEM!
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >

Now I know why the set will suck and there are so many things missing.

- Scott B.

Lee Pfeiffer at Cinemaretro.com seemed to hint that this initial press release doesn't mention everything that'll be included, but he may just be talking about his book thingie.

In any event, I hope there's more to it than what's been mentioned so far. How about radio spots? No mention of those "radio interviews" that are described in the PLANET pressbook. It's nice that there will be "interactive pressbooks," but I'd much rather see really extensive still and poster galleries. And as I've mentioned before, I'm also a fan of film music, and Fox has had these great "music track commentaries" on their recent releases ( the Blu-ray of THE OMEN will have one for the first time). I can't believe they're not going to discuss Goldsmith's landmark score for PLANET. If not with this release, then when?

-- Rory

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--- On Sat, 8/2/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's CONQUEST!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 2:52 PM
> That we can agree on birthdayboy!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
> >
> > That would be fine, too. I'd rather see them in
> the film but "on the
> > side" is fine, too-AS LONG AS I SEE THEM!
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Does this mean available ONLY in Blu-Ray as many of us feared?
>
> Bruce
>
>
> You all better pretty much count on this being ONLY Blu-ray.? I can
almost certainly guarantee it.
>
> -- Rory
>































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I've been noticing just how much Star Wars owes to

Star Trek. Tractor Beams, Deflector Shields.  They

may have been introduced in previous science fiction,

but the first I'd heard of them was on Star Trek.

 

In a message dated 8/2/2008 11:40:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, stenosaurus@ aol.com writes:

STAR WARS

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I have to agree with Rory.  I think they get too caught

up in playing Ape, as well as the publicity not hurting

their business.  Not that I would boycott Apemania

by any means.  I want a lot of that cool stuff myself.

But there comes a point when it's just self-promotion

and nothing to do with the POTA franchise as a whole.

I'm glad someone is making high quality ape makeup

and props and costumes.  But why photos of them

instead of the real deal?  It's like putting a picture of

an Elvis impersonator on the cover of an Elvis DVD!

 

 

In a message dated 8/2/2008 1:41:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@aol. com writes:

"Hey, those Sideshow figures were cool, let's put them on the covers for the movies!"  WTF?!!!?

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> Glad to meet you, Tom.
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: Tom
>
> Date: 7/28/2008 8:03:47 PM
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [pota] Hi ALL
>
>
>
> Just joined. It's so cool that I found this group.
> Looking through the
>
> group I'm so amazed at the stuff you all have. It
> really brings back
>
> memories. Through the years I've lost most of the
> things I had
>
> collected, toys and all. Seeing them and the great
> pics posted is a
>
> trip down memory lane.
>
> Thanks. Really glad I joined.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> That would be fine, too. I'd rather see them in the film but "on the
> side" is fine, too-AS LONG AS I SEE THEM!
>
> Bruce
>
>
































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--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 6:01 PM
> Now I know why the set will suck and there are so many
> things missing.
>
> - Scott B.
>
> Lee Pfeiffer at Cinemaretro.com seemed to hint that this
> initial press release doesn't mention everything
> that'll be included, but he may just be talking about
> his book thingie.
>
>
>
> In any event, I hope there's more to it than what's
> been mentioned so far. How about radio spots? No mention
> of those "radio interviews" that are described in
> the PLANET pressbook. It's nice that there will be
> "interactive pressbooks," but I'd much rather
> see really extensive still and poster galleries. And as
> I've mentioned before, I'm also a fan of film music,
> and Fox has had these great "music track
> commentaries" on their recent releases ( the Blu-ray of
> THE OMEN will have one for the first time). I can't
> believe they're not going to discuss Goldsmith's
> landmark score for PLANET. If not with this release, then
> when?
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, stenosaurus@... <stenosaurus@...> wrote:

> From: stenosaurus@... <stenosaurus@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's CONQUEST!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, August 2, 2008, 11:00 PM
> No loss.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> Yeah I cut Limbo and Heston from POTA2K
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/2/2008 11:40:33 A.M. Central Daylight
> Time,
> stenosaurus@... writes:
>
>
> I remember going to a comic convention and the big thing
> was a fan-made
> cut of STAR WARS without Jar-Jar Binks in the film! That
> was selling
> well lol.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: BLU-RAY CONTENTS--it's
> CONQUEST!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I cut Limbo and Heston from POTA2K
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/2/2008 11:40:33 A.M. Central Daylight
> Time,
> stenosaurus@... writes:
>
>
> I remember going to a comic convention and the big thing
> was a fan-made
> cut of STAR WARS without Jar-Jar Binks in the film! That
> was selling
> well lol.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> Yeah I cut Limbo and Heston from POTA2K
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/2/2008 11:40:33 A.M. Central Daylight
> Time,
> stenosaurus@... writes:
>
>
> I remember going to a comic convention and the big thing
> was a fan-made
> cut of STAR WARS without Jar-Jar Binks in the film! That
> was selling
> well lol.
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your
> budget? Read
> reviews on AOL Autos.

> Cornelius and Soldier Ape should be coming out soon!

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:



Most kids don't even know that American Graffiti was taken from an
episode of "Love American Style" that air years before his film was
ever made.


**** I'm pretty sure that it was the TV series HAPPY DAYS that was
taken from LOVE AMERICAN STYLE, not AMERICAN GRAFFITI... ****

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Diamond Select Retros
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 1:01 PM
> > Cornelius and Soldier Ape should be coming out soon!
>
> They were supposed to be out months ago. Are they actually
> still
> coming out?
>
> Hunter

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Diamond Select Retros
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 1:01 PM
> > Cornelius and Soldier Ape should be coming out soon!
>
> They were supposed to be out months ago. Are they actually
> still
> coming out?
>
> Hunter

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:  Most kids don't even know that American Graffiti was taken from an episode of "Love American Style" that air years before his film was ever made. **** I'm pretty sure that it was the TV series HAPPY DAYS that was taken from LOVE AMERICAN STYLE, not AMERICAN GRAFFITI... ****

>
> But my complaint here is, what is one going to do with their current

> or DVD+R's? This new format won't play "regular" DVD's that a lot

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:

>
> But my complaint here is, what is one going to do with their current
DVD-R
> or DVD+R's? This new format won't play "regular" DVD's that a lot
of us own

Zach,

ALL Blu-ray players will play your standard def DVDs. (and many will
'upscale' the image quality making them look better than ever)

Many Blu-ray players will play DVD-r.

DVD+r is a little more hit and miss but in my experience that's been
the same with standard def DVD players.

Dave

--- On Sun, 8/3/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Diamond Select Retros
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 3, 2008, 1:01 PM
> > Cornelius and Soldier Ape should be coming out soon!
>
> They were supposed to be out months ago. Are they actually
> still
> coming out?
>
> Hunter