--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:
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> --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:
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> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Genesis
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:49 PM
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> Interesting.....And this is an updated production calender....No
cast?? maybe
> it's animated??? No release date??
> *** The part of having no release date is good and bad... Good in
the sense that they're not gonna have to throw it together just to
make their "planned release date" like they did with that Burton
film...Bad in the sense that no planned release date often means the
idea gets scrapped or delayed over & over... I just don't see it
getting off the ground... ***
>

--- On Tue, 8/19/08, m c <aboro3085@...> wrote:

> From: m c <aboro3085@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Genesis
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 5:36 PM
> --- On Sun, 8/17/08, Tim "apefan"
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
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> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Genesis
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, August 17, 2008, 2:49 PM
>
> Interesting.....And this is an updated production
> calender....No cast?? maybe
> it's animated??? No release date??
> *** The part of having no release date is good and bad...
> Good in the sense that they're not gonna have to throw
> it together just to make their "planned release
> date" like they did with that Burton film...Bad in the
> sense that no planned release date often means the idea gets
> scrapped or delayed over & over... I just don't see
> it getting off the ground... ***

Remember, Fox told the guys at Mr. Comics, they could write anything
pertaining to classic apes, but nothing in regard to Burton's.

Yeah, that's a mess Fox made and needs to get itself out of.

-- Rory

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*** BATMAN has been around the block so many times the name/franchise is getting as worn out as a two dollar whore. ***

I would say the same was true of APES in the seventies. Only seven years between the release of a Sci-Fi classic motion picture and a very short-lived badly animated cartoon. Fox whored out APES.

-- Rory

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Say what you guys want about the cartoon- as a kid I lived for saturday mornings and the animated POTA...Course I have not seen it since I was like 7-LOL

You mean you didn't buy it when Fox whored it out to DVD a couple years ago?

I did....

-- Rory

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Say what you guys want about the cartoon- as a kid I lived for saturday mornings and the animated POTA...Course I have not seen it since I was like 7-LOL

You mean you didn't buy it when Fox whored it out to DVD a couple years ago?

I did....

-- Rory

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It is available from Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Return-Planet-Apes-Complete-Animated/dp/B000E991A2/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1219269569&sr=8-1

Be sure to mention my name.

It won't get you a discount or anything. I just like people mentioning my name.

It's an ego thing.

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> I'd just love to get a copy- I honestly didnt know it was out there. Up
> until last christmas I had all the movies on beat up video tapes- taped from
> an ape week on the sci-fi channel.
>

It is available from Amazon: http://www.amazon. com/Return- Planet-Apes- Complete- Animated/ dp/B000E991A2/ ref=pd_bbs_ sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1219269569&sr=8-1

Be sure to mention my name.

It won't get you a discount or anything. I just like people mentioning my name.

It's an ego thing.

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> I'd just love to get a copy- I honestly didnt know it was out there. Up
> until last christmas I had all the movies on beat up video tapes- taped from
> an ape week on the sci-fi channel.
>

On my info guide (Direct TV), it said 'Behind the Planet of the Apes' (2008). Just curious if
there was anything added to it.

Yes!

Lots of commercial interruptions!

-- Rory

BTW, was made in 1998!

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Yes! Lots of commercial interruptions!

>>I just had the Playhouse video version at one time. I believe that

>>Chris, I do...I had the Playhouse video of BENEATH and I well

>>I just check BENEATH from the Legacy set in all sound

>>All this is very interesting. As I stated in a previous post when I

>>Yes, it is very interesting.  Seems to me the situation with

>>I can't seem to find my audio cassette recording of the CBS airing

>>I still might have the audio tape of the first time CBS televised

>>I have Dolby Digital 5.1 and the answer is "NO!"

>>Also, from what I can tell, all the sequels are very much "expanded

Don't sweat it. I still have several years worth of recordings of The 4:30 Movie, plus one or two other pre-Playhouse Video broadcasts so I have more than ample proof if it's needed. I would *hope* that the Magnetic Video VHS is enough. Thanks for looking though.

 

If you ever find that audio cassette of CBS's first BENEATH broadcast, I'd be interested in hearing it. I'm curious how much was/wasn't included, plus old commercials/ bumpers are cool to hear as well. Out of curiosity, what shape are CONQUEST and BATTLE in?

 

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

"scott bosco" <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

>>I can't seem to find my audio cassette recording of the CBS airing of BENEATH (I found CONQUEST BATTLE but not the others!) 
I will keep looking.  <<

 

 

>>I still might have the audio tape of the first time CBS televised it. I will check. <<

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"scott bosco" <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com> wrote:

 

>>I just check BENEATH from the Legacy set in all sound formats.
The "wind' sound effect as Brent and Nova are about to enter the circular tunnels is missing from the English MONO and 5.1 mix, as well as the French MONO.

The "clanging" of the wagon cage doors closing on the chimps at the protest march is missing from both the English MONO and the 5.1 mixes. However, it is heard in the French MONO mix!

Hopes this helps. tomorrow I will try to dig up my audio recording of BENEATH on cassette from the CBS airing. <<

 

 

Thanks!! I've passed that info along. Maybe it'll indicate...somethin g.

 

BTW, did you check out any of the other missing/altered sounds?

 

 

>>All this is very interesting. As I stated in a previous post when I was consultanted on the Playhouse releases and the problem of the sound being off in BENEATH during the burning Lawgiver statue they had to go back and lift the soundeffects from a Spanish sound mix to correct that scene. It was corrected but there was never a re-call or announcement made. I find it interesting that the French mix on the DVD as at least one of the missing sound effects. <<

 

 

Agreed that it's interesting how the French mix at least corrected one of the problems. What I find bizarre is that back in 1985, Fox had to go to a Spanish print to correct the video problem instead of using the source material.

 

Do you recall how the problem was brought to Fox's attention? Did people who purchased the videocassette write in, or did TV stations point the problem out?

 

 

"Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

 

>>Yes, it is very interesting.  Seems to me the situation with BENEATH's soundtrack is a mess!

I'd let the guy at Fox in charge of this know at once, Chris!  Hopefully there's still time for them to fix it, however I'll bet you right now the same problems will persist. <<

 

Obviously, if I hear back from him I'll let everyone know. At least I know I'm talking to the right person for a change.

 

 

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Welcome aboard. Please tell us more about yourself. Where are you from? When did you first become a POTA fan?

And please feel free to explore all the resources of the group.

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Welcome to the group. I am another relatively new member here, good to
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Here's review with screengrabs comparing what was released in the "Ape Head" and how much better it is as a stand alone.

Scott B.

http://www.geocitie s.com/ditcin6/ returnpota..html"

I like these comments:

This foray into the franchise harkens back to the original novel by having the Apes live in a somewhat modern society complete with automobiles, and electronic convinces such as TV and radio. It also freely takes from other past representations by way of characters and the use of an underground race of men with mind powers. In many ways it offered more than the previous live action series did in terms of a multi-layered and continuing storyline between apes, and humans (both those who live under and above the ground). Themes touch on were very ambitious for Saturday morning TV considering subjects mentioned, are or intoned were genocide, global war, medical experiments, slavery, and political unrest. Although it used limited animated for its characters it did present one of the most well drawn and most detailed backgrounds used on any Saturday morning children's animated show. Aside from the story content, the series used a 46 piece orchestra for th e score composed by Dean Elliott. Produced by David Depatie and Friz Freleng the show was directed by JOHNNY QUEST creator, Doug Wildey, who also acted as the APES Associate Producer. It's not that these episodes are well done in this release, it simply that FOX has chosen not to due much with them. Worse, they that blatantly ripped off those who invested in what was dubbed THE ULITIMATE COLLECTION – which contained below standard quality release of this series… among other poor studio choices. If you purchased the ULTIMATE COLLECTION you should contact FOX and complain. They never should have released the animated series in such a state in a collection priced so high. Don't let them get away with it.

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I would *hope* that the Magnetic Video VHS is enough. Thanks for looking though.

If my memory serves, I think there were actually two transfers done for Magnetic Video (which was eventually bought by Fox and became for a short time 20th Century Fox Video).

There was the original transfer, done in 1978, 16mm of course, but then they remastered it sometime around 1983. I know this because I bought both of them. I remember the second transfer looked slightly better than the first, but I think it was still from a 16mm source, but it could have been 35mm. Anyway, those had the original mono soundtrack and I would think would be the best reference choice for finding what sound effects should be there or not.

I unfortunately haven't kept any of the old home video releases. As soon as a superior transfer or medium comes out, I throw out the old. (Have saved some of the covers though.) Too bad too, because I'd love now to look at the original Magnetic Video release (1979) of PLANET -- just to marvel again at how bloody awful it was! I remember that by 1983-84 it would depress me to look at it, then came the wonderful (I thought then!) 35mm transfers of the Playhouse Video release in 1985! But, I thought those were crap within only a couple years!

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Do you recall how the problem [with the 1985 "Playhouse Video" transfer of BENEATH] was brought to Fox's attention? Did people who purchased the videocassette write in, or did TV stations point the problem out?

I wrote them a letter about it. I remember very well. I sent it to them in the fall of 1985. That was just after I moved to Ft. Lauderdale from New York.

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I was the one who brought the out of sync audio issue on BENEATH to FOX's attention on the PLAYHOUSE VIDEO release. I knew several people at FOX and the head of KEY VIDEO at the time. BTW that was the first time ESCAPE was done in a fake stereo for release. Although there was rumor and debated by me and those at FOX that ESCAPE was actually mixed for stereo but never released that way.

- Scott B.

What was strange was that the Playhouse Video and the first laserdisc release of ESCAPE had the Chace "Fake Stereo" soundtrack, but with the remastered THX laserdisc ESCAPE was back to mono.

As for ESCAPE originally being mixed for stereo, I believe that it's probably true. The clue is in the stereo recording of the scores on 35mm film. The studio probably wants to cover its bets just in case they think the film will be good enough to merit a stereo release, but in the case of APES, I think all the films got screwed.

I was told for a fact from someone connected to the magazine "Widescreen Review," and who worked in the Hollywood film industry back in the late sixties and early seventies, that PLANET was mixed for stereo and that Todd-AO (which Fox partially owned) prepared twelve "4-Track MagOptical" prints of it -- but that they were never picked up (and later lost) and only mono (optical) prints were distributed! I was never told why, but I now suspect that the failure of APJAC's DR. DOLITTLE had something to do with it.

BENEATH was produced when the studio was in very bad shape because of the box-office failure of STAR! (the direct reason BENEATH's budget was cut), and later the failures of HELLO DOLLY and TORA! TORA! TORA! So, BENEATH got a mono only release. Of course, the films that bombed all had wonderful 4-track or even 6-track soundtracks!

ESCAPE was produce when the studio had only one other film in production, THE MEPHISTO WALTZ, for the entire '70-'71 year! Both got mono releases, yet it seems some of the cues for ESCAPE were recorded in stereo (I think because they may have planned for a soundtrack LP that never happened).

The studio was still in dire financial straights when CONQUEST was made and, as you can tell from the CD release, a lot of CONQUEST's score was recorded in mono.

I think the success of THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE turned the studio's fortunes around a bit, and BATTLE had more money for a score done with a larger orchestra than what CONQUEST had, and it was all recorded in stereo, but then the movie didn't turn out to well and BATTLE got only a mono release.

Oh well!

-- Rory

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>>I was watching the season 2 (Day 2) DVD box set for '24'

>>I was the one who brought the out of sync audio issue on BENEATH to

>>I haven't heard a thing since I first posted about this, but I'll

>>Is there anyway you can find out from this person if Fox is

>>The audio cassette recordings of CONQUEST and BATTLE seem to be in

That's strange with the different logos at the beginning of CONQUEST. How did they decide which one to use?

I think the original laserdisc had a CinemaScope logo on it, which was stupid since the movie was shot in Todd-AO 35!

I also believe that original LD of CONQUEST had sound elements missing!

-- Rory

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Do you recall how the problem [with the 1985 "Playhouse Video" transfer of BENEATH] was brought to Fox's attention? Did people who purchased the videocassette write in, or did TV stations point the problem out?

I wrote them a letter about it.  I remember very well.  I sent it to them in the fall of 1985.  That was just after I moved to Ft. Lauderdale from New York.

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Shortly before the announcement of the Blu-ray set, I had received an e-mail from the first person I contacted at Fox who said to "Stay Tuned". Looks like we got the answers, some good, some bad. Isolated scores will be cool, but the recycled commentary is uninspiring.

Chris L.

The recycled commentary (and I use the term loosely) is depressing. This is such a wasted opportunity. I guess people have to be paid for such a thing and Fox is just too damn cheap, but then maybe they'll have it on the 45th Anniversary editions!

-- Rory

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That's strange with the different logos at the beginning of CONQUEST. How did they decide which one to use?

I think the original laserdisc had a CinemaScope logo on it, which was stupid since the movie was shot in Todd-AO 35!

I also believe that original LD of CONQUEST had sound elements missing!

-- Rory

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I was the one who brought the out of sync audio issue on BENEATH to FOX's attention on the PLAYHOUSE VIDEO release.  I knew several people at FOX and the head of KEY VIDEO at the time.  BTW that was the first time ESCAPE was done in a fake stereo for release.  Although there was rumor and debated by me and those at FOX that ESCAPE was actually mixed for stereo but never released that way.

 

- Scott B.

What was strange was that the Playhouse Video and the first laserdisc release of ESCAPE had the Chace "Fake Stereo" soundtrack, but with the remastered THX laserdisc ESCAPE was back to mono.

As for ESCAPE originally being mixed for stereo, I believe that it's probably true.  The clue is in the stereo recording of the scores on 35mm film.  The studio probably wants to cover its bets just in case they think the film will be good enough to merit a stereo release, but in the case of APES, I think all the films got screwed. 

I was told for a fact from someone connected to the magazine "Widescreen Review," and who worked in the Hollywood film industry back in the late sixties and early seventies, that PLANET was mixed for stereo and that Todd-AO (which Fox partially owned) prepared twelve "4-Track MagOptical" prints of it -- but that they were never picked up (and later lost) and only mono (optical) prints were distributed!  I was never told why, but I now suspect that the failure of APJAC's DR. DOLITTLE had something to do with it.

BENEATH was produced when the studio was in very bad shape because of the box-office failure of STAR! (the direct reason BENEATH's budget was cut), and later the failures of HELLO DOLLY and TORA! TORA! TORA!  So, BENEATH got a mono only release.  Of course, the films that bombed all had wonderful 4-track or even 6-track soundtracks!

ESCAPE was produce when the studio had only one other film in production, THE MEPHISTO WALTZ, for the entire '70-'71 year!  Both got mono releases, yet it seems some of the cues for ESCAPE were recorded in stereo (I think because they may have planned for a soundtrack LP that never happened).

The studio was still in dire financial straights when CONQUEST was made and, as you can tell from the CD release, a lot of CONQUEST's score was recorded in mono.

I think the success of THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE turned the studio's fortunes around a bit, and BATTLE had more money for a score done with a larger orchestra than what CONQUEST had, and it was all recorded in stereo, but then the movie didn't turn out to well and BATTLE got only a mono release.

Oh well!

-- Rory 

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Rory,

I was connected with people at FOX back then and when I recieved my promo copy of the Box set (in pink!) I called a person I knew who worked on the transfers and mastering.

- Scott

And what did he have to say? Ooooops!?

-- Rory

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Rory,

I think you might like this review for HELLO DOLLY from my site.

http://www.geocitie s.com/ditcin5/ hellodolly..html"

-Scott

AUDIO
The sound is probably from a 4-track mix which pre-dates the Dolby System. This translates to a simple 2.0 mix, or Dolby Pro-logic compatible. In the end you'll get a MONO surround that is very barely noticeable, but a front image that is wide and has an "on the stage" quality. Dialog and singing are panned. Music swims and has depth. Dynamically it isn't the most impressive; however what it lacks in that vein it gains in placement and separation.

Scott,

HELLO DOLLY originally had a 70mm release, so the soundtrack masters should be 6-track with stereo surrounds. Everything 4-track that Fox did back in the fifties through to 1970 or so had mono surrounds -- and they generally weren't that spectacular (in fact, I have a book titled "Memo from Darryl Zanuck" were he complains that the sound20department isn't doing enough with the surround track on their 4-track magnetic releases -- and the memo is from 1954! I guess the Sound Dept. never got the memo).

I don't own it, but if the sound on the DVD to HELLO DOLLY is only in Dolby Digital 2.0 -- and it should be at least DD 4.0 -- then shame on Fox, and if it's only 2.0 Dolby Pro-Logic surround, then that's a really big shame. However, I'll bet if Fox ever gets around to putting it out on Blu-ray, they'll do a 5.1 remix from the 6-track masters. I'll bet because of Barbra Streisand having a gay following, Fox will put such a thing out. Look what they did with VALLEY OF THE DOLLS.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
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> Rory,
> I was connected with people at FOX back then and when I recieved
my promo copy of the Box set (in pink!) I called a person I knew who
worked on the transfers and mastering.
> - Scott
>
> Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Do you recall how the problem [with the 1985 "Playhouse Video"
transfer of BENEATH] was brought to Fox's attention? Did people who
purchased the videocassette write in, or did TV stations point the
problem out?
> I wrote them a letter about it. I remember very well. I sent it
to them in the fall of 1985. That was just after I moved to Ft.
Lauderdale from New York.
>
> -- Rory
>
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
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>
> I've forgotten now- did you post any info regarding the decision to
not
> release BATTLE on LD originally? I remember someone here talking
about a
> "studio day" at a local video store and a rep taking questions. Also
> something about the release consistently being shot down when
brought up
> in discussion. Was that you?
>
>
> Chris L.
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>
>

That was me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@. ..> wrote:
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>
> I've forgotten now- did you post any info regarding the decision to
not
> release BATTLE on LD originally? I remember someone here talking
about a
> "studio day" at a local video store and a rep taking questions. Also
> something about the release consistently being shot down when
brought up
> in discussion. Was that you?
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
>

Hey Scott,

I've never run across your site before, so I'm in the process of reading your reviews of DVDs, like this one for PLANET's 35th Anniversary release:

http://www.geocitie s.com/ditcin4/ pota35anniversar y.htmlbr class="ygrps-yiv-1018321735webkit-block-placeholder">

"The new anamorphic transfer was long over due and is welcomed to the format. It may seem a bit faded, and it is when compared to what it really should be. There is a bit of edge enhancement, with some combing. The keen viewer my also notice a slight flicker – noticeable when looking at set background walls. This might be due to digital restoration which may have been used to procure a good image. From what I was told when working on the Beta/VHS and laser releases the original elements have deteriorated quite a bit. State of the art technology of the day was used but could only secure one color balance. For the then widescreen laser release skin tones were first secured but that left all greens washed out – for those who remember the gray corn field you’ll know what I mean. Strangely, the pan & scanned negatives were fine and yielded a better image. Now, with innovations with digital restoration a complete palette can almost be obtained as was used on PARAMOUNT’S THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (for more info on that proc ess check out that review). The color is here, but a tad shy. I don't understand why it wasn't done better. Aside from that… "

Whenever I watch PLANET I make sure to turn the Brightness down till I get true blacks, lower the contrast and turn the color up a bit, then it's pretty good -- not perfect, of course, but OK.  I believe that an actual archival restoration has been done on PLANET, so I'm hopeful the Blu-ray will deliver the kind of transfer PLANET has always deserved.  I'm told the Blu-ray of THE SAND PEBBLES looks amazing, so I've bought that disc, though I still don't have a player, so when APES comes out in November and I do get a player I'll have something to compare it to.

"A new DTS and Dolby Digital mix has been made for today’s home theater enthusiast. Much better than the past DVD 5.1 mix this one is pretty faithful in re-creating a mix of the era with a wide frontal image and hardly any in the surrounds. However, if you listen to the 2.0, Pro-logic mix there is much more a surround based presence in terms of music. In the 5.1 mix there are miss placed (sided) pans in the t rack. Other than that this is a decent mix and heads above the past disaster. "

Well, have you noticed that the Dolby Digital 5.1 is better than the DTS (in terms of separation and panning)?  I agree about the better surround in the 2.0 Pro-logic mix, but unfortunately, the front three-channel separations of the Dolby Digital remix is just so much better, however Goldsmith's score is still way too low in spots.  BTW, I doubt that if the original 4-track stems from PLANET were found, we'd be really wowed by the surround (mono) track, but the music would have a much greater presence for sure.  Get yourself a copy of the Fox DVD of BANDOLERO! (1968) and marvel at how good the 2.0 Pro-logic stereo surround sounds.  (Why Fox apparently has the original 4-track stems to this but not PLANET I'll never understand.)

-- Rory

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*** Yes, you're right about the commentary thing, especially since it's really just a bunch of small sound bites taken from longer interviews and dropped in wherever/whenever they decided it applies... Had they actually bothered to sit down, get surviving cast and crew together to watch the film and get a true commentary, we'd all be better off... But instead you know we'll get the same sound bite of Kim saying "We had to look into the mirror when we ate so we wouldn't ruin the appliances" and then the ever-wise comment from Ms. Trundy that Dehn wrote PLANET! ***       --- On Sun, 8/24/08, Chris Lawless <lawford42@juno. com> wrote: From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@juno. com> Subject: [pota] Re: contact from Fox!!! To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, August 24, 2008, 5:41 PM  Isolated scores will be cool, but the recycled commentary is uninspiring.     Chris L.        I wrote:   >>I haven't heard a thing since I first posted about this, but I'll send a note and see if I get a response. <<     "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:   >>Is there anyway you can find out from this person if Fox is planning commentary tracks for each film and isolated scores? << ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ ___ Internet Security Software - Click here.

It's amazing how these techs don't bother to view a mono print to better understand the mix. 

 

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Yeah, I know you have to have techs and suits to run the studio,

but they should only be there to facilitate the artists, not run roughshod

over them.  Just like Labels in the music industry.  They are replace able.

Artists are not.  Without artists all they can sell are T-Shirt and Bumper

Stickers!  Brian Wilson went back to supervise the remastering of his mono

mixes, and he's deaf in one ear!  I find it incredulous that these chumps let

people who are little more than interns re-master the mixes of these films.

 

 

In a message dated 08/25/08 07:10:15 Central Standard Time, digitalcinema@ yahoo.com writes:

It's amazing how these techs don't bother to view a mono print to better understand the mix. 

 

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But instead you know we'll get the same sound bite of Kim saying "We had to look into the mirror when we ate so we wouldn't ruin the appliances"

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Chris,
> I had suggest that when BATTLE was given the green light for a
widescreen Laserdisc release I had brought it up that there was a
longer version currently playing in syndication on TV. The person I
knew at FOX in Mich. who did the element searches and transfers was
amazed to find this out. He did a search but at first nothing came
up. I then duped my Beta copy I had made of the film (Yes, Beta!)
when in aired on a local station. Once getting it he was able to ID
cut footage stored. Most exciting at the time was that he was able
to find the elements in their original 2.35;1 aspect ratio - unlike
the pan & scanned ones used for the TV print.
> Knowing what to look for he dealt with the L.A. vaults and put
together a complete widescreen master. Remember, back than it was
ONLY widescreen not anamorphic. The master was struck and awaiting a
pressing date. Due to the poor performance of the previous films
especially CONQUEST on LD BATTLE was canceled. The elements for
CONQUEST used for the LD released were horrible. Quality and price
simply put consumers off and the when the numbers fell so to was
BATTLEs release from the slate.
> Another factor was, at the time FOX had decided to use a UK
company for manufacturing the disc. That company had a huge run of
disc that were defective. There was a problem with the glue process
of the two platters - air had gotten in between the pressing which in
turned caused a lot of micro bubbles which visually caused multi-
colored flecks to appear when the disc was played. Also, there was a
problem with laser rot - as it was commonly called. Those discs
would just get worse and visually breakdown completely with multi-
colored static-like noise in the picture. I know FOX also had huge
problems with THE FINAL CONFLICT and IMAGE ENT. had the same problem
with SPACE: 1999 on LD (I was a consultant for that too)
> Another factor in this mess was pricing. FOX was asking premium
amounts for the APE films $50 - $60. When PLANET was first released
there was the corrupted color. The technology wasn't what we have
today in terms of digital restoration for color and the like and the
original element had really gone south. The color timing was soooo
bad they had to make a choice between having proper skin tones or
achieving the color green. This shows in the corn field sequence
where the corn leaves are SILVER GREY! It was horrible. This color
issue was only in the widescreen elements since newer pan & scanned
elements and prints were newer and preserved. Year ago those
elements were the gold the studios cared for since back then there
wasn't a use for widescreen elements after theatrical runs were
done. No one would have guessed that the original widescreen
elements would eventually become a standard again.
> Having been connected with this stuff with several studios for
over 30 years (I started very young) I've seen and experienced the
complexities of the evolution of how elements were treated and now
preserved. One thing it's not, and that is simple and clear cut.
Even now I have been fighting with WARNER BROS. over the current DVD
release of SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE which has problems with it origianl
Dolby Surround mix. It's amazing how what appears to be the simplest
thing can be screwed up by a hack and people in the studio who have
no respect for the art that makes a film. What can make it worse is
when those who worked on a film either simply forget or carry grudges
and re-write history to suit their own damaged egos. In the end it's
just the consumer and fan who is short changed.
> - Scott
> - Scott
>
> drhasslein <drhasslein@...> wrote:
> That was me.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've forgotten now- did you post any info regarding the decision
to
> not
> > release BATTLE on LD originally? I remember someone here talking
> about a
> > "studio day" at a local video store and a rep taking questions.
Also
> > something about the release consistently being shot down when
> brought up
> > in discussion. Was that you?
> >
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

>>Here's a trivia question . . .

You mention BATTLE. Does anyone know yet if the extended version will
be the one to hit the Blu-Ray format or the previous version?

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote:
>
> Chris,
> I had suggest that when BATTLE was given the green light for a
widescreen Laserdisc release I had brought it up that there was a
longer version currently playing in syndication on TV. The person I
knew at FOX in Mich. who did the element searches and transfers was
amazed to find this out. He did a search but at first nothing came
up. I then duped my Beta copy I had made of the film (Yes, Beta!)
when in aired on a local station. Once getting it he was able to ID
cut footage stored. Most exciting at the time was that he was able
to find the elements in their original 2.35;1 aspect ratio - unlike
the pan & scanned ones used for the TV print.
> Knowing what to look for he dealt with the L.A. vaults and put
together a complete widescreen master. Remember, back than it was
ONLY widescreen not anamorphic. The master was struck and awaiting a
pressing date. Due to the poor performance of the previous films
especially CONQUEST on LD BATTLE was canceled. The elements for
CONQUEST used for the LD released were horrible. Quality and price
simply put consumers off and the when the numbers fell so to was
BATTLEs release from the slate.
> Another factor was, at the time FOX had decided to use a UK
company for manufacturing the disc. That company had a huge run of
disc that were defective. There was a problem with the glue process
of the two platters - air had gotten in between the pressing which in
turned caused a lot of micro bubbles which visually caused multi-
colored flecks to appear when the disc was played. Also, there was a
problem with laser rot - as it was commonly called. Those discs
would just get worse and visually breakdown completely with multi-
colored static-like noise in the picture. I know FOX also had huge
problems with THE FINAL CONFLICT and IMAGE ENT. had the same problem
with SPACE: 1999 on LD (I was a consultant for that too)
> Another factor in this mess was pricing. FOX was asking premium
amounts for the APE films $50 - $60. When PLANET was first released
there was the corrupted color. The technology wasn't what we have
today in terms of digital restoration for color and the like and the
original element had really gone south. The color timing was soooo
bad they had to make a choice between having proper skin tones or
achieving the color green. This shows in the corn field sequence
where the corn leaves are SILVER GREY! It was horrible. This color
issue was only in the widescreen elements since newer pan & scanned
elements and prints were newer and preserved. Year ago those
elements were the gold the studios cared for since back then there
wasn't a use for widescreen elements after theatrical runs were
done. No one would have guessed that the original widescreen
elements would eventually become a standard again.
> Having been connected with this stuff with several studios for
over 30 years (I started very young) I've seen and experienced the
complexities of the evolution of how elements were treated and now
preserved. One thing it's not, and that is simple and clear cut.
Even now I have been fighting with WARNER BROS. over the current DVD
release of SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE which has problems with it origianl
Dolby Surround mix. It's amazing how what appears to be the simplest
thing can be screwed up by a hack and people in the studio who have
no respect for the art that makes a film. What can make it worse is
when those who worked on a film either simply forget or carry grudges
and re-write history to suit their own damaged egos. In the end it's
just the consumer and fan who is short changed.
> - Scott
> - Scott
>
> drhasslein <drhasslein@ ...> wrote:
> That was me.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've forgotten now- did you post any info regarding the decision
to
> not
> > release BATTLE on LD originally? I remember someone here talking
> about a
> > "studio day" at a local video store and a rep taking questions.
Also
> > something about the release consistently being shot down when
> brought up
> > in discussion. Was that you?
> >
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Welcome back Alex. Can't wait to see the new site.

For the newbies around here, Alex ran one of the best POTA multi-media sites in the late-90s. So his new site should be a real treat for fans.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "pota1968" <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> What's up everyone? Alex here.
>
> Yes it's been a while. I'm opening up a new POTA website at:
> www.potacollective.com
>
> The site's content will be mostly based on all the rare POTA footage
> we've all had for years along with some POTA Movie Stills, Behind The
> Scenes Stills and POTA Web Site Links. Short but sweet. I figure,
> what's the point in having all this great rare footage if you can't
> share it with other ape fans.
>
> The server is now online with a whole lot of construction to be done.
> Should be complete by late September. Again it's at
> www.potacollective.com
>
> All the best.
> Al
>

> For the newbies around here, Alex ran one of the best POTA multi-media
> sites in the late-90s. So his new site should be a real treat for fans.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "pota1968" <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> What's up everyone? Alex here.
>
> Yes it's been a while. I'm opening up a new POTA website at:
> www.potacollective.com
>
> The site's content will be mostly based on all the rare POTA
footage
> we've all had for years along with some POTA Movie Stills, Behind
The
> Scenes Stills and POTA Web Site Links. Short but sweet. I figure,
> what's the point in having all this great rare footage if you can't
> share it with other ape fans.
>
> The server is now online with a whole lot of construction to be
done.
> Should be complete by late September. Again it's at
> www.potacollective.com
>
> All the best.
> Al
>

This amazing new POTA book tells the tale of the process to put the ape makeup on and create a unique ape face. Text in 2 languages plus pictures.

MINT - Brand new copy - rare book - not available in stores. Released in 2008. Order now and the author includes a special autograph signed color POTA card for you.

MESSAGE FROM THE AUTHOR: Hi! I am Saulo Adami, from Brazil, author of the book O ÚNICO HUMANO BOM É AQUELE QUE ESTÁ MORTO!" (1996) - for you: THE ONLY GOOD HUMAN IS A DEAD HUMAN! Now, I will to promote, briefly, my new book, HOLLYWOOD DIARY: A BRAZILIAN ON THE PLANET OF THE APES (Portuguese/English version) speaking about my personals PLANET OF THE APES experiences with make-up and many more.

Vera, Chuck, and Dave. So, I dunno- Zira, Heston, and...Ballard? ?

 

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>Posted by: "pota1968" pota1968@... pota1968
>What's up everyone? Alex here.
>Yes it's been a while. I'm opening up a new POTA website at:
>www.potacollective.com

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cohen <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> Hunter,
>
> I recently submitted a planet of the apes parody t-shirt to a
t-shirt contest on www.torsopants.com and I won. I don't receive
commissions if they sell more or less of them. I created the shirt
since I'm a big POTA fan and thought you might be the guy to share it
with, who could let other fans know about it.
>
> thanks
>
> Gary
>
> http://www.torsopants.com/not-funny-shirts/planet-of-the-crepes/
>

this great interview is on the two disc dvd behide the planet of the
apes 1998 on disc two roddy mcdowell talks about the make up and
filming in extreme heat- the only thing you have to turn up the volume
because the british interviewer mic was off and you hear mcdowells
answers--it last almost two hours--a great insite to planet of the apes-
you can obtain the dvd at amazon.com