> Thanks for this! I just ordered it. It said it was currently
> out-of-stock, but I did get it ordered for that price.

----- Original Message -----

From: Rich Handley

To: Recipient list suppressed:

Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:51 PM

Subject: [pota] Maddox/Donovan

Okay, this is weird...

Even though the ANSA film says "Donovan," the timeline in the same
boxset indicates his name is Maddox.

Maybe his name is Donovan Maddox?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> Are the Blu-Rays canon?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rich Handley
> To: Recipient list suppressed:
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:51 PM
> Subject: [pota] Maddox/Donovan
>
>
> Okay, this is weird...
>
> Even though the ANSA film says "Donovan," the timeline in the same
> boxset indicates his name is Maddox.
>
> Maybe his name is Donovan Maddox?
>

> sent it to Hunter too so everyone can see.....!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JEFF!!!

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>
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>
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It's not just Star Trek and Star Wars. Most franchises from Indiana Jones to Stargate adhere to the simple rule that only live action Movies and/or TV series episodes are considered canon while various comics, novelizations, etc. are not.

Superman and certain other franchises like Battlestar Galactica that have had multiple remakes or adaptations rely on the rule that each spin-off has it's own unique canon. What's canon for Smallville is not canon for the Superman movies and vice-versa.

POTA probably falls into the latter catagory. Boulle's novel had it's own canon. The original film series have their own canon as does each TV series and the various comic series.

As far as the materials included on the Blu-Ray discs, I would put that into the same catagory as other promotional materials like the Heralds or the "Aged Galen" wrap-arounds. Sort of semi-canon as long as they don't conflict with anything clearly established in the films or TV series.  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> That's pretty much open to interpretation. Unlike with Star Wars or
> Star Trek, no one at Fox has bothered to definitively state what is or
> is not canon. As such, people have their own theories as to whether
> to include the TV shows, the comics, the "aged Galen" footage, and so
> forth. The ANSA film now enters the debate.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." veetus@ wrote:
> > Are the Blu-Rays canon?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rich Handley
> > To: Recipient list suppressed:
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [pota] Maddox/Donovan
> >
> >
> > Okay, this is weird...
> >
> > Even though the ANSA film says "Donovan," the timeline in the same
> > boxset indicates his name is Maddox.
> >
> > Maybe his name is Donovan Maddox?
> >
>

Thanks Hunter and Tim!

Interesting that they did it as "original" and "alternate" particularly since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary release was a single timeline. (That one is available on our group site: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm)

My guess is the people at CinemaRetro who put it together are 2 timeline advocates.

Speaking of CinemaRetro, last week they gave the mirror to our group website a really nice write-up: http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/archives/2416-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-THE-ULTIMATE-FAN-SITE.html". Check it out.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > sent it to Hunter too so everyone can see.....!
>
> Thanks to Tim Parati, scans of the timeline from the Blu-ray set are
> up on my site now (along with the cover of Rich's upcoming book):
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:25 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Birthday Reminder

HAPPY BIRTHDAY JEFF!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, pota@yahoogroups. com wrote:
>
> Reminder from: pota Yahoo! Group
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ cal
>
> JEFF KRUEGER'S BIRTHDAY
> Saturday November 8, 2008
> All Day
> (This event repeats every year.)
>
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> POTA probably falls into the latter catagory. Boulle's
> novel had it's own canon. The original film series have
> their own canon as does each TV series and the various
> comic series. As far as the materials included on the
> Blu-Ray discs, I would put that into the same catagory
> as other promotional materials like the Heralds or the
> "Aged Galen" wrap-arounds. Sort of semi-canon as long
> as they don't conflict with anything clearly established
> in the films or TV series.

> Interesting that they did it as "original" and "alternate"

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm

Try the mirror site. Here is the link: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Timeline.htm 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > Interesting that they did it as "original" and "alternate"
> particularly since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary
> release was a single timeline. (That one is available on our group site:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm
>
> FYI: This link isn't working for me, and even when I try to access it
> directly from the files, the link is going to Yahoo's news page.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Try the mirror site. Here is the link:
> http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Timeline.htm
> <http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Timeline.htm>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > > Interesting that they did it as "original" and "alternate"
> > particularly since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary
> > release was a single timeline. (That one is available on our group
> site:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm
> >
> > FYI: This link isn't working for me, and even when I try to access it
> > directly from the files, the link is going to Yahoo's news page.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Try the mirror site. Here is the link:
> http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Timeline.htm
> <http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Timeline.htm>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> > > Interesting that they did it as "original" and "alternate"
> > particularly since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary
> > release was a single timeline. (That one is available on our group
> site:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm
> >
> > FYI: This link isn't working for me, and even when I try to access it
> > directly from the files, the link is going to Yahoo's news page.
> >
>

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, sraileus <raile@...> wrote:

> From: sraileus <raile@...>
> Subject: [pota] Marvel Magazines?
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 11:50 AM
> Hello everyone:
> I just joined the group, so my apologies if this is old
> news. I've
> been looking for CBR files of the 1970s Marvel magazine
> (not the comic
> books, but the full-on magazine). I have found a few
> scattered around,
> but I'd love to get all 29 issues. Have they been
> scanned, and if so,
> can someone point me in the direction of a torrent (or some
> such thing)?
>
> Many thanks,
> Scott
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Hunter and Tim!
>
> Interesting that they did it as "original" and "alternate"
particularly
> since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary release was a
single
> timeline.

> You need to go to hunter's site. It's in the links. It's the best
> apes site out there! Take a bow, Hunter!

You need to go to hunter's site.

At Hunter's site, I see the Marvel UK comics, the "Adventures" US comics, artwork for most of the magazine covers, foreign covers, etc.

But no copies of the actual Marvel magazine.  Am I missing something?


Thanks,
Scott

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Marvel Magazines?
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 5:06 PM
> > You need to go to hunter's site. It's in the
> links. It's the best
> > apes site out there! Take a bow, Hunter!
>
> Thanks for the kind words, but my site is what it is mostly
> thanks to
> other people: Greg P., Dave B., Jeff K., James A., Al R.,
> Tim P.,
> Chris L., and many more.
>
> Hunter
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Birthday Reminder
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 11:15 AM
> Thanks, James. I can see the Grave to Nowhere from here.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:25 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Birthday Reminder
>
>
>
> HAPPY BIRTHDAY JEFF!!!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Reminder from: pota Yahoo! Group
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal
> >
> > JEFF KRUEGER'S BIRTHDAY
> > Saturday November 8, 2008
> > All Day
> > (This event repeats every year.)
> >
> > All Rights Reserved
> > Copyright © 2008
> > Yahoo! Inc.
> > http://www.yahoo.com
> >
> > Privacy Policy:
> > http://privacy.yahoo.com/privacy/us
> >
> > Terms of Service:
> >
> >

--- On Sat, 11/8/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: [pota] [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 10:50 AM
> Thanks Hunter and Tim!
>
> Interesting that they did it as "original" and
> "alternate" particularly
> since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary release
> was a single
> timeline. (That one is available on our group site:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm>
> )
>
> My guess is the people at CinemaRetro who put it together
> are 2 timeline
> advocates.
>
> Speaking of CinemaRetro, last week they gave the mirror to
> our group
> website a really nice write-up:
> http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/archives/2416-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-T\
> HE-ULTIMATE-FAN-SITE.htmlbr> > <http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/archives/2416-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-\
> THE-ULTIMATE-FAN-SITE.htmlgt; . Check it out.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley
> <goathunter@...> wrote:
> >
> > > sent it to Hunter too so everyone can see.....!
> >
> > Thanks to Tim Parati, scans of the timeline from the
> Blu-ray set are
> > up on my site now (along with the cover of Rich's
> upcoming book):
> >
> > https://pota.goatley.com/
> >
> > Hunter
> >

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Just for the record the Timeline was compiled and written by Peter
Ventrella and Gavin Howell (who was the guy that contacted me about my
collection photos)
>
>
> --- On Sat, 11/8/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> > From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> > Subject: [pota] [PotaDG] Re: Info about the ANSA video
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 10:50 AM
> > Thanks Hunter and Tim!
> >
> > Interesting that they did it as "original" and
> > "alternate" particularly
> > since the timeline issued for the 30th anniversary release
> > was a single
> > timeline. (That one is available on our group site:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Timeline.htm>
> > )
> >
> > My guess is the people at CinemaRetro who put it together
> > are 2 timeline
> > advocates.
> >
> > Speaking of CinemaRetro, last week they gave the mirror to
> > our group
> > website a really nice write-up:
> >
http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/archives/2416-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-T\
> > HE-ULTIMATE-FAN-SITE.htmlbr> > >
<http://www.cinemaretro.com/index.php?/archives/2416-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-\
> > THE-ULTIMATE-FAN-SITE.htmlgt; . Check it out.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley
> > <goathunter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > sent it to Hunter too so everyone can see.....!
> > >
> > > Thanks to Tim Parati, scans of the timeline from the
> > Blu-ray set are
> > > up on my site now (along with the cover of Rich's
> > upcoming book):
> > >
> > > https://pota.goatley.com/
> > >
> > > Hunter
> > >
>

I just ran some tests all 5 films on DTS 5.1 and here's what I got from a scale from 1 to 5.

1 being the worst, 5 being the best.

2 - Planet

5 - Beneath

3.5 - Escape

3.5 - Conquest
3.5 - Battle

Planet: Sounds much cleaner and sharper compared to previous releases but the suround sound just isn't there. The best you get are moments when the score can be heard slightly in the rear speakers apart from the dialog in the front center speakers.

Beneath: BIG 5! Complete separation of music score, dialog and sounds throughout the movie. Whatever they did to Beneath, I wished they would have done to the rest of the films.

Escape, Conquest and Battle: Separation is there between music score, dialog and sounds but nowhere near the level of Beneath. However much better than "Planet." Overall, Escape, Conquest and Battle falls between Planet and Beneath in DTS and can be enjoyed more so than Planet in suround sound quality.

Al

It seems to me that the audio on PLANET is just a carry-over from the 35th Anniversary edition. That DVD had two 5.1 tracks, one Dolby Digital and the second DTS. The Dolby Digital was superior in it's stereo separations, though it was still very front leaning with poor surround enveloping. The DTS has the same mix, but it's stifled in some way. I'm wondering if lowering the audio level on the center speaker and raising the level on all the others would help.

I believe all new 5.1 mixes have been done on the sequels, which is also way they have isolated score tracks and PLANET shockingly doesn't.

Biggest disappointment for me with this new release -- no isolated score for PLANET! UNBELIEVABLE!

-- Rory

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What killed me is the 70 dollar Hi DEF cable!!!!

Oh! You should have gotten the $30 Panasonic HDMI cable I got from Amazon. Too bad.

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 7:58 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] More Blu-ray impressions...

I got the set today and went ahead and just bought a damn player....I found that Panasonic one you recommended Rory...at Best Buy for 200....it was there last one as they are updating it....but it works fine! What killed me is the 70 dollar Hi DEF cable!!!!

I enjoyed the set! I agree with Rory about the lame Lawgiver and the menus are unexciting.. ..

The featurettes are very well done and not only does Joe show up but Don Pedro, Linda, Bobby Porter, Bill Blake, the dude that played the orderly in Escape, DOn Murray, Austin Stoker and others...... but oddly not one sight or mention of Natalie..... why was that??

I just watched all the extra stuff not the films so I have no comment on those....

The COOLEST thing is that in the "Impact of the APes" feature about the merchandising they used MANY of my photos of my collection! ANd I got a "thank you" at the end of the feature!! All my pics have the white background and they pop up throughout. AND in the gallery features on the Escape disc, the advertising gallery features pics of MY POSTERS that were obviously taken from these two Yahoo groups! Odd that they didn't use the ones for the other films.....

So I'm pretty happy with it over all....and the book is beautiful although I haven;t read it yet.

Tim

--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

> From: Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com>
> Subject: [pota] More Blu-ray impressions. ..
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 10:52 AM
> I'm not going to be able to give these things any more
> time for a few days, so these are my last comments for a
> while...
>
>
>
> I forgot to mention before the really lame
> "Lawgiver" introductions to each disc. These
> aren't very long but even that's too long because
> this is a CGI Lawgiver. He's not accurate in detail in
> either his clothing or voice. It's the first thing
> that comes on after the copyright stuff, so you're
> forced to view this every time you put the disc in. I
> think it's mostly annoying and as I imagine what
> it'll be like in the coming years to have to see this
> every time I want to watch an APES film, I'm going to
> have to put the disc in and let it play out before I even
> turn the TV on. I guess somebody at Fox thought it was a
> neat idea, but, oh boy...
>
>
>
>
> Then there's the menu screens for these things...
> Another cheap CGI affair. The one for PLANET makes the
> menus for the 35th Anniversary DVD look like masterpieces,
> even those for the first DVD. They represent a real
> devolution, though the ones for the sequels are better than
> PLANET's, which once again contains a spoiler.
>
>
>
>
> One thing I did like watching were the new featurettes on
> the making of the films. They're actually segments of
> a five-part documentary that's now a nice alternative to
> the "Behind" documentary, which has really gotten
> long in the tooth. Each segment features photos I've
> never seen before and has comments from people I was
> surprised to see, such as Michael Wilson's daughter and
> Kim Hunter's son. Of course you'll also see a lot
> of Eric Greene, but now also Joe Russo, who's comments
> are only featured during the segments on the sequels.
> Watching these featurettes is a little bittersweet because
> you're reminded of just how much time has passed since
> these films were made and how many people are no longer with
> us.
>
>
>
>
> Of the other extras I'll have more to say later. I
> spent most of the day yesterday checking out these discs and
> now I'm kind of POTA'd out.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory

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No I decided I wasn't going to wait for Fox to send me anything...the guy I was dealing with that was working on all the features has since eft the company (not Fox) so I wouldn't even know who to contact....If they send me something cool....

I'll look in to the cable....it just threw me off guard as I had assumed it would have come with the player and two that they would be so much!

I got the 9' version of this, which was slightly more.... Hope you can get your money back on that $70 cable -- that's ridiculous!

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-RP-CDHG15-High-Speed-Cable/dp/B000GKQL70/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1226257185&sr=8-1

-- Rory

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>>In case anyone is interested, there are two copies of the semi-rare

This is the only review of the entire collection I've been able to find.

http://www.dvdbeave r.com/film2/ DVDReviews42/ planet_of_ the_apes_ collection_ blu-ray.htm

I haven't visited the Beaver in a few days, so I hadn't noticed this. Thanks for posting.

Anyway, unlike what's said in this review, I think BENEATH looks great. The picture has been improved from the Legacy set. I just watched it, and as far as I'm concerned, Blu-ray is the only way now to properly view and listen to BENEATH.

Going to go watch ESCAPE now....

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 2:38 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: More Blu-ray impressions...

This is the only review of the entire collection I've been able to find.

http://www.dvdbeave r.com/film2/ DVDReviews42/ planet_of_ the_apes_ collection_ blu-ray.htm

I haven't visited the Beaver in a few days, so I hadn't noticed this.  Thanks for posting.

Anyway, unlike what's said in this review, I think BENEATH looks great.  The picture has been improved from the Legacy set.  I just watched it, and as far as I'm concerned, Blu-ray is the only way now to properly view and listen to BENEATH.

Going to go watch ESCAPE now....

-- Rory

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