> Plain and simple most of the bonus material in this Blu-ray set is
> from previous releases which means it was a quick and easy re-release
> - not a massive change or undertaking for the studio.

"Apes" is obviously very popular on DVD. Look how often it's repackaged. The ape head, the many team ups ("Planet" with "Beneath", "Planet" with POTA2001) at the Walmarts and Targets. I don't see nearly as many versions of "Alien". And all the showings and POTA marathons on TV. There must be an audience for Fox to keep doing this (and the stores to keep stocking them).

Perhaps you're right. I don't know. There was a time, before the Internet, when I thought I was about the only hardcore APES fan on the planet.

-- Rory

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i just still have my
memories of seeing conquest at the embasy theater at 46street and seeing
and hearing great elements and seeing planet on long island ny when my
mother and the rest of the theater goers stood up and applauded at the
sight of miss liberty, and going ape in 73-74 to lines at the drive-in
that were a mile long and getting free posters and watching the reel
changes from inside because my friends family owned the drive-in.
the proof is simply other films[much older] are restored properly and
ours are not so much, and i believe i stated the reasons. thanks
john m

John, where and when did you first see PLANET on Long Island?

I first saw it there on April 7, 1968 at the now long gone Wantagh Theatre, and I vividly remember audience reaction.

Also, I've been told for a fact, by people who lived in Manhattan in 1968, that PLANET wasn't shown in stereo anywhere. I've also been told that Fox did prepare 4-track stereo for PLANET, and even had Todd-AO make several 4-track MagOptical prints, but that when the film was finally distributed, all prints were mono (probably in a cost-cutting procedure because of the failure of Apjac's DR. DOLITTLE).

What do you have to say?

-- Rory

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This was just posted on You Tube... NYC DAVE.. http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=2zci6lxvghk

Problem is it's bootleg of Roddy McDowall's 16mm footage from the PLANET 35th Anniversary DVD.

-- Rory

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Maybe I'll wait for the 50th anniversary edition in 3D.

Someday they may in fact do that. I'll probably still prefer the old 2D.

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Glad enough the audio has been corrected, which is something I never
thought I'd see happen.

Chris L.

Yeah, I think BENEATH looks and sounds great. I don't know when you plan to get a Blu-ray payer, but you should start saving -- some are not that expensive.

-- Rory

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yes beneath has been put back together sort of speak. don pedro, ted
post ,linda and a plethora of new photos are here. a very good effort.
you can still hear some audio blips and splices during ursus's speech
and the cages that close on the chimps protesting are back but the other
audio cues during this scene are not, chimp yells ,other assorted
noises.all i can say is that around 1985 the audio of the apes went
amiss, this coincedently is when chase labs got into the picture. i have
photos of conquest where you see two microphones going to two seperate
nagra recorders so i guess it could have been a stereo production.
conquest was filmed in todd-ao 35 which is a process [in the fifties
anyway] that it was filmed in 65mm and then reduced to 35mm for a realy
clear picture, and also to be played on a curved screen. look at some
scenes during the end of the credits and the training, their is blue
ringing on the edges which you get if the negetive is not compensated
for during telecine transfer because it is meant to be played on curved
screen or to be projected with a short lens. as you can see conquest is
my favorite. tom scotts music i think is fantastic, played with only 15
people all brass,his sax, and 7 drummers, and it still manages to fit in
with goldsmiths score. this new version of conquest could be called
grindhouse of the apes. john m

As far as I know, Todd-AO 35 was a format that was anamorphic on 35mm film. The Todd-AO anamorphic lens may not have been as good as Panavision's, hence the reason there are far fewer Tod-AO 35 films and that blur on the sides, and it was probably a lot cheaper for Fox to do CONQUEST in Todd-AO 35, which I believe the studio owned part of. They went right back to Panavision for BATTLE.

Films shot in Todd-AO were, of course, non-anamorphic and shot on 65mm film for 70mm 6-track Roadshow release prints. Those were the days!

-- Rory

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Maybe, but there are always ways to do it. It certinally didn't stop MGM from compiling wonderful 007 sets. If the APES were don't anything like that can you imagine what we could have gotten?!

- Scott

Well, I think all the sequels look fine, but PLANET could definitely use more digital work (there are still some very minor specks and scratches but nothing major, and what's there can very easily be digitally removed) and I'd love to see the audio remixed the way they've done with the James Bond's (I have three on Standard DVD), but Fox must be happy with what they have, however, they really need to revisit that DTS 5.1 mix for PLANET. It's rather blah. I found some sub-menu DTS settings in the audio receiver I'm using that helped spread the sound out more, but it's still not as good as the more recent work that's been done on the sequels. The DTS 5.1 mix on the Blu-ray for PLANET is the same as the 35th Anniversary DVD DTS track, and therefore dates from 2003!

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnmermigas" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> This is John again.
>
> Thanks Scott, it seem you and I are in the minority in that we could
give a rats ### about packaging and such and just want the best in
sound!!! and picture possible. We want all trailers, 30 second spots,
60 second spots.

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...> wrote:

> From: Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...>
> Subject: [pota] Conquest - Original Version
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 5:24 PM
> I had to watch this first (only because I already have seen
> the superior uncut Battle) and I enjoyed it. The brutal
> ending with Breck being beaten to mash, as well as the
> bodies of the dead and dying police being piled up, well it
> didn't have as much impact on me today, as it would have
> had decades back. That kind of violence can be seen on
> regular TV. But I can see why Fox would have gotten nervous.
> But I liked this version as much as the original cut, which
> is my second favorite of the apes films. The various humans,
> chimps and gorillas who get shot in the face was done in a
> very 70's SFX way, and I can again, see how such cuts
> would shock an audience. But compared to some of the things
> today, like the horrid SAW and Hostel films, that was done
> tastefully. Anyone notice how few orangs are in the revolt?
> Any reaon for this? Perhaps not enough yellow jumpsuits left
> over from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea? Also the first
> time the command post is shown,
> that tunnel looks an awful lot like the tunnel from
> Beneath. (Anyone seen the Land of the Giants Episode where
> the entire Mutant council chamber, painted blue and shot
> from behind, complete with the arena where Taylor and Brent
> fight, is used? Irwin let nothing go to waste!)
> So overall, I enjoyed this cinematic note. It was also
> intersting to see how the original opening, with an ape
> trying to escape, was chopped up and used throughout the
> entire movie.

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: bluray transfers and fox
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 10:57 PM
> "Apes" is obviously very popular on DVD. Look how
> often it's repackaged. The ape head, the many team ups
> ("Planet" with "Beneath",
> "Planet" with POTA2001) at the Walmarts and
> Targets. I don't see nearly as many versions of
> "Alien". And all the showings and POTA marathons
> on TV. There must be an audience for Fox to keep doing this
> (and the stores to keep stocking them).
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:56 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: bluray transfers and fox
>
>
>
>
>
> Packaging. That's the real place FOX concentrated
> their efforts for the APES.
> Compare that with the ALIEN films. Look at the amount
> of material those films came out with.
> Not fair, Scott. ALIEN was made in an era when they
> saved much more from productions than they did back when
> PLANET was made. We suffer because PLANET was made back in
> '68 and by a studio that really died in 1970.
>
>
> Also, let's get real.... ALIEN and other more modern
> SF films are much more popular than APES and sell much
> better. If APES had a much bigger cult, we'd have a lot
> more stuff, but don't you find it amazing Fox has done
> what they have done with POTA on Blu-ray?
>
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] BENEATH's Premiere Theatre
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 11:33 AM
> Hey, I wanted to show everyone this. This is a sketch of
> what the interior was like of the Loew's State 1&2
> Theatre that used to be in Times Square, NYC. The Theatre
> used to be one auditorium but got split in 1969. The lower
> auditorium was Loew's State 1, and the upper, larger
> auditorium was Loew's State 2. This was where BENEATH
> premiered in May 1970 and I saw it on June 13, 1970. I was
> ten years old, but I can still vividly recall the climb up
> to those seats in the upper auditorium. My great aunt took
> me to see it. She was in her early sixties. I don't
> think she liked the movie too much. I also remember seeing
> a trailer for KELLY'S HEROES, which opened there after
> BENEATH left.
>
>
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

When I saw CONQUEST the theater showed a short called PADDINGTON
LACE - did anyone else see that?
- Scott

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...> wrote:

From: Clark Wayne <kalel_x20@...>
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: bluray transfers and fox
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 2:55 PM


we all seem to be pushing the big 50.








I saw Escape (my first Apes, I was about ten) at the Beverly in
Brooklyn, NY@ Church and McDonald.
Saw Conquest at the Sunrise Drive-In (now a shopping mall)
Saw Battle and Planet (first time seeing it) again at the Beverly
Saw all Five as part of GO APE at the now defunct Walker on 18th
Avenue and 64th Street.
And I saw the lame ass remake in Staten Island.

--- On Wed, 11/12/08, Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

From: Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com>
Subject: [pota] Re: bluray transfers and fox
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 10:42 AM




i just still have my
memories of seeing conquest at the embasy theater at 46street and
seeing
and hearing great elements and seeing planet on long island ny when my
mother and the rest of the theater goers stood up and applauded at the
sight of miss liberty, and going ape in 73-74 to lines at the drive-in
that were a mile long and getting free posters and watching the reel
changes from inside because my friends family owned the drive-in.
the proof is simply other films[much older] are restored properly and
ours are not so much, and i believe i stated the reasons. thanks
john mJohn, where and when did you first see PLANET on Long Island?


I first saw it there on April 7, 1968 at the now long gone Wantagh
Theatre, and I vividly remember audience reaction.


Also, I've been told for a fact, by people who lived in Manhattan in
1968, that PLANET wasn't shown in stereo anywhere. I've also been
told that Fox did prepare 4-track stereo for PLANET, and even had
Todd-AO make several 4-track MagOptical prints, but that when the
film was finally distributed, all prints were mono (probably in a
cost-cutting procedure because of the failure of Apjac's DR.
DOLITTLE).


What do you have to say?


-- Rory







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--- On Wed, 11/12/08, johnmermigas <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

> From: johnmermigas <johnmermigas@...>
> Subject: [pota] bluray transfers and fox
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:53 AM
Arthur P. Jacobs died before the
> video era and sold his interest to Fox and gave away most of
> his collection to Marymount college.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:
>
> Well I got an email today that Deep Discount DVD has shipped my
POTA Blue Ray set...
> Im excited to get it after reading all the reviews...
> Now I just need a Blue Ray Player..
> It is my B-Day on Saturday and I may have to go over to BEST
BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> NYC DAVE....
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:23 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Truthfully there's even a possibility the mutants may have gotten
even part way out of the water with the intention to study it and
leaving with all that started.I hate the way some APES fans are so
willing to use the mutants as a way to explain away all the
inconsistencies.
>
>
> I love the one where it's the mutants making the lightening during
the astronauts' trek n PLANET.
>
>
> If the mutants were so bright, why couldn't they protect themselves
better? I mean for nearly two thousand years they're living right
next door to the apes (if you go along with James and others idea
about the size of the area Cornelius' map shows), and the apes know
nothing about them -- then eleven bonehead gorillas get took
and "Whoops, Apocalypse!"
>
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnmermigas" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
> these colleges are in many states but the one i think he donated his
> stuff was the university in los angeles. i think im right john m.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
> Is there any way for anyone to get access to his stuff? Bet there is
some gems in there! Where is MArymount college?
>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/12/08, johnmermigas <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> > From: johnmermigas <johnmermigas@...>
> > Subject: [pota] bluray transfers and fox
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 3:53 AM
> Arthur P. Jacobs died before the
> > video era and sold his interest to Fox and gave away most of
> > his collection to Marymount college.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: johnmermigas

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:49 PM

Subject: [pota] loyola marymount college

these colleges are in many states but the one i think he donated his
stuff was the university in los angeles. i think im right john m.

----- Original Message -----

From: johnmermigas

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 2:49 PM

Subject: [pota] loyola marymount college

these colleges are in many states but the one i think he donated his
stuff was the university in los angeles. i think im right john m.

> I just needed to let everyone know that the new POTA figures are out, as
> of today. I got my case of Cornelius and gorilla soldiers.

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----- Original Message -----

From: rassmguy

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:17 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: loyola marymount college

Is anyone here located in LA? If so, it might be worth looking into.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "johnmermigas" <johnmermigas@ ...> wrote:
> these colleges are in many states but the one i think he donated his
> stuff was the university in los angeles. i think im right john m.
>

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:

> From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 2:16 PM
> Well I got an email today that Deep Discount DVD has shipped
> my POTA Blue Ray set...
> Im excited to get it after reading all the reviews...
> Now I just need a Blue Ray Player..
> It is my B-Day on Saturday and I may have to go over to
> BEST BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> NYC DAVE....
>
> --- On Sun, 10/19/08, Haristas@...
> <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Blu-ray Disc Features
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 10:23 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Truthfully there's even a possibility the mutants may
> have gotten even part way out of the water with the
> intention to study it and leaving with all that started.I
> hate the way some APES fans are so willing to use the
> mutants as a way to explain away all the inconsistencies.
>
>
> I love the one where it's the mutants making the
> lightening during the astronauts' trek n PLANET.
>
>
> If the mutants were so bright, why couldn't they
> protect themselves better? I mean for nearly two thousand
> years they're living right next door to the apes (if you
> go along with James and others idea about the size of the
> area Cornelius' map shows), and the apes know nothing
> about them -- then eleven bonehead gorillas get took and
> "Whoops, Apocalypse!"
>
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is anyone
familiar with the resale of these kinds of figures? Will we see these
later on on ebay for much less or will they only get MORE expensive?
I've gotten screwed on the Medicoms and the NECA busts and if I don't
have to spend all this money i'd rather not!!
>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=75141
>

>
> Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is anyone

>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=75141
>

You're missing the point. I don't think anyone here liked the Ape Head,
and would much rather prefer the archive stuff. Given that, my point
was not once but twice now the packaging has been unprecedented.

I didn't like the Ape Head release because I thought it was juvenile, and it bothers me everytime APES is presented as something juvenile (i.e. the notorious "Playhouse Video releases in the eighties).

It would have been much better if they'd sold those DVDs in a replica Lawgiver or spaceship, maybe even a horse and wagon!

In fact, that would be a great project for someone, make a replica of the wagon from PLANET/BEMEATH that's large enough to hold all the DVDs that were in the Ape Head. I'd buy that. You wouldn't even need a horse(s).

-- Rory

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Yes Rory, your right. Bart at FOX, from years ago also told me the same. He also said it was common practice for FOX to do a 4track stereo mix on a lot of films they considered high profile. They however were only and sometimes used for screenings or premiers. The film then would be released wide in MONO. He told me of the lost 4track stems for PLANET and how there were ones made for DAMIEN: OMEN II and I'm sure there were many others.

- Scott

Ever since I heard how the 4-track stems were lost for PLANET, I've had the suspicion that actually they were stolen. I'm sure they're were people at Fox who had no compunction at all about taking such things.

-- Rory

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As far as I know, Todd-AO 35 was a format that was anamorphic on 35mm
film. The Todd-AO anamorphic lens may not have been as good as
Panavision's, hence the reason there are far fewer Tod-AO 35 films and
that blur on the sides, and it was probably a lot cheaper for Fox to do
CONQUEST in Todd-AO 35, which I believe the studio owned part of.
They went right back to Panavision for BATTLE.
>
>
>
> Films shot in Todd-AO were, of course, non-anamorphic and shot on 65mm
film for 70mm 6-track Roadshow release prints. Those were the days! -- Rory

fox actually owned cinemascope
john m

Yes, Fox did own the CinemaScope process and logo and licensed it out to other studios and producers, but when Elizabeth Taylor signed with Fox to star in CLEOPATRA, part of the agreement was that Fox invest some money into the Todd-AO company, which Taylor inherited from her late husband, Mike Todd, and that CLEOPATRA be shot in Todd-AO 65mm, which it was. I believe Fox to this day still owns part of Todd-AO, but I could be wrong.

-- Rory

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fox owned cinemascope rory after fantastic voyage they gave it a rest.

Actually the last film Fox released with the CinemaScope logo, though it may actually have been shot in Panavision, was IN LIKE FLINT in March 1967.

Also, Panavision got started making the anamorphic lens for the CinemaScope cameras. After a while Panavision went into business for itself. All things shot in Panavision are done on cameras rented from the company.

-- Rory

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Thanks for that info... Im still researching the players..

I have a 46 inch Samsung HDTV (DLP)... I was thinking about getting a g Blue ray player....

I do like the Sony products..Anyone else have any opinion's about players???

NYC DAVE...

I'm a loyal Panasonic guy. My Blu-ray player is the Panasonic BD30. Works great.

-- Rory

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She shouldn't feel bad. Kim told me she didn't like it very much either.

Yeah, I know. Kim Hunter didn't think much of BENEATH at all, she felt it was just "melodrama."

-- Rory

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Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is anyone familiar with the resale of these kinds of figures? Will we see these later on on ebay for much less or will they only get MORE expensive? I've gotten screwed on the Medicoms and the NECA busts and if I don't have to spend all this money i'd rather not!!

http://www.sideshow toy.com/? page_id=4489& sku=75141

From what I see, once these things are sold out, they go for much more on eBay.

This thing looks pretty nice. I like that they've done a PLANET figure and not BENEATH.

I may have to get one. Don't know yet.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Before I pre order this and shell out hundreds of bucks, is anyone
familiar with the resale of these kinds of figures? Will we see these
later on on ebay for much less or will they only get MORE expensive?
I've gotten screwed on the Medicoms and the NECA busts and if I don't
have to spend all this money i'd rather not!!
>
> http://www.sideshowtoy.com/?page_id=4489&sku=75141
>

Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

www.potacollective. com/escape. jpg

www.potacollective. com/escape2. jpg

The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

Al

Those photos just cause more continuity problems. The date in the first photo and the interior of the ship not matching that of Taylor's craft at all. Better it was cut out.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:51 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Escape photos

Here's a couple of deleted Escape photos.

Zira, Cornelius and Milo escaping the Planet of the Apes.

 

www.potacollective. com/escape. jpg

 

www.potacollective. com/escape2. jpg

 

The information given on the blu-ray feature was that the scene was shot but they prefered to go with the element of surprise when our ape-o-naut friends removed their helmets on the beach.

 

Al 

Those photos just cause more continuity problems.  The date in the first photo and the interior of the ship not matching that of Taylor's craft at all.  Better it was cut out.

-- Rory 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:
>
> Yes I will give a review when I get the player..
> NYC DAVE...
>

>Posted by: "bobkind3" dave@... bobkind3
>I must admit this discussion is pretty fruitless because Dehn rode
>roughshod over the concepts set up in Planet when he wrote Beneath
>and therefore destroyed any hope of continuity in the series. He
>continued this reinvention in further sequels. I love Beneath, Escape
>and Conquest (and in the right mood Battle) but Dehn didn't lavish
>any care on how they connect
>
>Firstly it is clear stated in the opening scene that during Taylor's
>mission, the earth has aged 700 years due to travelling close to the
>speed of light. This was a known and expected factor in the mission
>(Later Taylor talks to Landon about their "motivation" for this
>mission which would mean giving up everything they had known). It is
>used ironically when the misanthropic Taylor hopes a better breed has
>succeeded the men that sent them on the mission. Therefore the whole
>idea of Brent's rescue mission is absurd. 700+ years later they
>realised he was overdue so they sent out a rescue mission? No Brent
>is a contemporary of Taylor. If Brent's ship was on a parallel
>mission in deep space it might work, but Brent is sent expressly to
>rescue Taylor.
>
>Next Cornelius and Zira. Zaius clearly states that the show trial
>with Taylor was to expose them and their heresy. At the end after
>Taylor rides off, the cave is sealed and Zaius tells them they will
>stand trial. How then that in Beneath all is well, Zaius almost a
>friend if not a confidant, entrusting them if things go wrong in The
>Forbidden Zone? In terms of their understanding of the evolution of
>ape - Cornelius believes a more advanced species predates primative
>apes. Taylor confirms their heresy by suggesting he was human and
>could speak. Zaius reminds them of the 13th scroll, that ape brought
>man into the garden as a pet but the Lawgiver decreed he must be cast
>out because man was dangerous. To Zaius this is heresy hence their
>persecution.
>
>Yet in Escape Cornelius is able to tell us that man's superiority was
>well known, apes were pets of humans that after three centuries rose
>with Aldo being the first to say no. Cornelius says this is
>commemorated by ape society and within the sacred scrolls. So why the
>charge of heresy in Planet?
>
>The truth is Dehn rifled and usedthe original as he saw wished to
>create the sequels. Soany timeline must ignore the ideas set up in
>Planet and simply be Dehn's Timeline of the Apes.

the whole idea of Brent's rescue mission is absurd. 700+ years later they
realised he was overdue so they sent out a rescue mission? No Brent
is a contemporary of Taylor. If Brent's ship was on a parallel
mission in deep space it might work, but Brent is sent expressly to
rescue Taylor.

That sure is true. "Absurd" sort of describes BENEATH in general. PLANET was absurd too, but had a better foundation to allow for suspension of disbelief. BENEATH moved it from absurd to often bizarre, a film made by a committee throwing things up in the air to see what stuck.

Next Cornelius and Zira. Zaius clearly states that the show trial
with Taylor was to expose them and their heresy. At the end after
Taylor rides off, the cave is sealed and Zaius tells them they will
stand trial. How then that in Beneath all is well, Zaius almost a
friend if not a confidant, entrusting them if things go wrong in The
Forbidden Zone? In terms of their understanding of the evolution of
ape - Cornelius believes a more advanced species predates primative
apes. Taylor confirms their heresy by suggesting he was human and
could speak. Zaius reminds them of=2 0the 13th scroll, that ape brought
man into the garden as a pet but the Lawgiver decreed he must be cast
out because man was dangerous. To Zaius this is heresy hence their
persecution.

Yet in Escape Cornelius is able to tell us that man's superiority was
well known, apes were pets of humans that after three centuries rose
with Aldo being the first to say no. Cornelius says this is
commemorated by ape society and within the sacred scrolls. So why the
charge of heresy in Planet?

The truth is Dehn rifled and used the original as he saw wished to
create the sequels. Soany timeline must ignore the ideas set up in
Planet and simply be Dehn's Timeline of the Apes.

In all fairness to Dehn, he was simply a hired hand asked to come up with stories and write scripts. I doubt the producers would have put up with too much adherence to "continuity" if Dehn had been fixated on it.

But I agree with the title of this post, "Timeline -- Why bother?" I don't understand the obsession with it some have. I think it ties down the imagination. I so much prefer my memory of what it was like back before the sequels, where you had no idea how it all came to be and=2 0could just sit and wonder. That's why I adhere to the alternate timeline view. The unknown events of an original timeline keep the era of 1968/70 alive.

-- Rory

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Ran some tests on Planet last night. And for sure the French 5.1 Dolby Digital is better than the English 5.1 DTS.

I'd rate it right up there with Beneath and Conquest's English 5.1 DTS.

Now all we need to do is learn french. :o)

Al

Yeah, if it's not a mistake, I really don't understand what the thinking at Fox is with this new DTS 5.1 soundtrack. I suspect there's been a screwup with the mastering of the disc. I don't want to believe that, but I'm leaning that way.

As for learning French.... I'm not Pierre Boulle.

-- Rory

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Before it gets taken down:

http://justjared. buzznet.com/ 2008/11/15/ star-trek- the-movie- trailer/

Chris L.

I've seen it already. The movie will sure look good, but is the script any good?

-- Rory

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>
> In all fairness to Dehn, he was simply a hired hand asked to come

>

>
> those are some cool pix.can someone tell me who eric gren is and why

> on the blue ray set?

>>Who knows what it was created for, but the studios, when they were

>>Also on Friday, the episode of Batman ('The Devil's Fingers') had a

>>Lots of connections.

>>Also on Friday, the episode of Batman ('The Devil's Fingers') had a

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@...> wrote:
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, goapebilly@ wrote:
> >
> > those are some cool pix.can someone tell me who eric gren is and
why
> is even
> > on the blue ray set?
>
> Eric Greene is the one who always outbid you at the last moment on
any
> interesting Ape ebay item you've spotted on ebay. Oh he wrote some
book
> as well.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
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> I loved it. But I guess it's because I don't take life that serious.
> I just enjoy it. :o)
>
> Al
>
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>
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