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Subject: [pota] Rothman -- the sequel

I forgot to mention that Tom Rothman appeared, he said, on the very same sound stage at Fox where the original APES test film was made with Eddy G. and Chucky back in 1966, BUT behind him were mannequins of ape characters from the bloody remake!  And, of course he had to say how much money the remake grossed without a word of how almost universally despised the thing is.  I wish him and the studio luck with another APES movie, but I've just been reading the comment board on Rothman over at IMDB and, man, is this guy hated.  He's blamed for ruining just about every franchise Fox has going -- and I must say I agree!  But, oh well, that's show business.

-- Rory 

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> I was wondering if anyone here still has the original Magnetic Video
> cassette of PLANET OF THE APES and the ability to transfer it to DVD?

> I'd like to get a DVD copy of it just as a record of how awful the
> transfer was, but also what the original mono audio was like (lots of
> hiss).

Hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving yesterday. POTA fans have a lot to be thankful for this year. One thing we are thankful for every friday is the new installment of THE ILLUSTRATED MONKEY PLANET. Thanks again to Dave Ballard (and those of us who know him are always thankful for Dave).

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i dispute that the remake is universally despised - I liked it but see
it as separate from the originals just as the book Monkey Planet was
separate from the originals.

KJ

I see it as separate too -- separated by a gulf of space and time known as The Forbidden Zone of My Dislike. I pronounce the entire movie deadly!

-- Rory

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I had my copy of Rich's Timeline book today and it is stunning.It is
THE Apes bible for all time.I'm amazed at the depth and wealth of
information in here.If you are an Apes fan, you need to get your
stinking paws on this right away! John, Scrolls.

Nice photos, or what?

-- Rory

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>7a. Rothman -- the sequel
>Posted by: "Haristas@..." Haristas@... haristas
>I forgot to mention that Tom Rothman appeared,
>he said, on the very same sound stage at Fox
>where the original APES test film was made with
>Eddy G. and Chucky back in 1966, BUT behind him
>were mannequins of ape characters from the
>bloody remake! Â And, of course he had to say
>how much money the remake grossed without a word
>of how almost universally despised the thing is.
>Â I wish him and the studio luck with another
>APES movie, but I've just been reading the
>comment board on Rothman over at IMDB and, man,
>is this guy hated. Â He's blamed for ruining
>just about every franchise Fox has going -- and
>I must say I agree! Â But, oh well, that's show business.

>7b. Re: Rothman -- the sequel
>Posted by: "Jeff K." veetus@...
>Rothman is infamous. He reportedly had a
>"Wolverine" set repainted while the director was
>away because he didn't think the movie would
>appeal to kids. "X-Men" is the only franchise
>Fox has left. The only way they're going to do a
>new "Apes" is if they remake "Beneath" and the
>mutants sprout claws. "We don't kill our enemies...hell, yes we do!" Phtzzzf!!

>7c. Re: Rothman -- the sequel
>Posted by: "Kevin" pellew@... kpellew
>i dispute that the remake is universally despised - I liked it but see
>it as separate from the originals just as the book Monkey Planet was
>separate from the originals.

>Posted by: "John B Kirtley" johnbkirtley@... grotowski666
>How about Anthony Daniels (C3PO) and Meryl
>Streep as Cornelius and Zira for the flashbacks?

>Nick Nolte as Armando?

>7f. Re: Rothman -- the sequel
>Posted by: "Jeff K." veetus@...
>Yeah, that was funny. Rothman going on about the
>original while surrounded by remake stuff. I
>liked how he patted himself on the back for
>bringing in Zanuck to the remake (who, by the
>way, he had called that morning on the set of
>Burton's "Alice In Wonderland"). I wouldn't be
>surprised if Zanuck is involved in this new POTA.

>* Major factual error: the success of POTA brought about such films as
>2001: A Space Odyssey. Such an incorrect statement for so many different
>reasons. Much like PLANET, 2001 had been in the works for several years
>before finally coming out in 1968.

>TIMELINE BOOK IS A MUST!!!!!
>Posted by: "shanter2002" john@... shanter2002
>I had my copy of Rich's Timeline book today and it is stunning.It is
>THE Apes bible for all time.I'm amazed at the depth and wealth of
>information in here.If you are an Apes fan, you need to get your
>stinking paws on this right away! John, Scrolls.

http://www.lulu.com/content/4923702

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Scott Raile <raile@...> wrote:
>
> I would love to get this book, but I'm having the hardest time getting
> to the website.
>
> Can someone point me to a URL that works?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>

>Re: TIMELINE BOOK IS A MUST!!!!!
>Posted by: "Haristas@..." Haristas@... haristas
>Nice photos, or what?

>Posted by: "Scott Raile" raile@... sraileus
>I would love to get this book, but I'm having the hardest time getting
>to the website. Can someone point me to a URL that works?

----- Original Message -----

From: shanter2002

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:17 AM

Subject: [pota] TIMELINE BOOK IS A MUST!!!!!

I had my copy of Rich's Timeline book today and it is stunning.It is
THE Apes bible for all time.I'm amazed at the depth and wealth of
information in here.If you are an Apes fan, you need to get your
stinking paws on this right away! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> The book doesn't look like it would fit in my DVD player.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: shanter2002
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:17 AM
> Subject: [pota] TIMELINE BOOK IS A MUST!!!!!
>
>
> I had my copy of Rich's Timeline book today and it is stunning.It is
> THE Apes bible for all time.I'm amazed at the depth and wealth of
> information in here.If you are an Apes fan, you need to get your
> stinking paws on this right away! John, Scrolls.

Was the scripted pre-title sequence ever included in the original cut of the film? I know that it was shot and that some of the footage was used in the scene where Caesar is trying to avoid the police. But has anyone involved with the film ever said that it was included in the initial cuts and later excised?

My assumption, and I could be wrong, is that the version of Conquest being shown on FMC and included on the Blu-Ray disc is the Director's cut of the film which was test screened in Phoenix. I've never heard that that cut of the film included the scripted pre-title sequence. If I'm mistaken please let me know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@...> wrote:
> Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring the obvious
> violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit sequence and other
> little changes are missing?
>

I agree with you that ape shot in the face shots are rather gratuitous. And much of the blood looked fake by today's standards. But for the most part the film worked better for me. It really looked like a revolution.

The one thing that did bug me was the music cues. For me the music used in the final version is more theatrical and is more consistant with the music used from earlier in the film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> ...and, in truth, I don't see that the new version is THAT much of an
> improvement. It does works better to have Breck beaten to death, yes,
> but I found the "ape shot in face" shots to be rather gratuitous,
> without adding much to the film overall. Still, it was interesting to
> view the film as originally intended.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> the new installment of THE ILLUSTRATED MONKEY PLANET.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Was the scripted pre-title sequence ever included in the original
cut of
> the film? I know that it was shot and that some of the footage was
used
> in the scene where Caesar is trying to avoid the police. But has
anyone
> involved with the film ever said that it was included in the initial
> cuts and later excised?
>
> My assumption, and I could be wrong, is that the version of Conquest
> being shown on FMC and included on the Blu-Ray disc is the
Director's
> cut of the film which was test screened in Phoenix. I've never heard
> that that cut of the film included the scripted pre-title sequence.
If
> I'm mistaken please let me know.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@> wrote:
> > Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring the obvious
> > violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit sequence and
other
> > little changes are missing?
> >
>

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, bobkind3 <dave@...> wrote:

> From: bobkind3 <dave@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 1:48 PM
> It sort of sounds like it's going to be some vivisection
> parable or
> genetic tampering warning but I'm excited they are even
> considering it,
> even though the "prequel" angle could be handled
> terribly. Maybe it'll
> be smaller more "arty". Find a director who loves
> these films and
> someone with a decent vision (didn't Peter Jackson plan
> a remake? What
> about Guillermo del Toro?)
>
> The question is who will the audience be identifying with?
> The facist
> police state of Breck justifies the ape revolt however
> bloody in
> Conquest. But apes against contemporary man? If the
> apes' rise becomes
> another metaphor for nature turning against man and is used
> simply to
> enable a suspense plot with a group of humans in jeopardy
> then this
> should never be made. Will it just be an ape revolt in the
> research
> lab?
>
> I agree about the Chamber's make-up and the jumpsuits
> are also pretty
> iconic. The irony of Conquest is how Caesar loses his
> humanity when he
> is brutalised by man. His evolution as a character must be
> central to
> any script.
>
> BTW having now seen the unrated Conquest I'm strangely
> in two minds
> which I like best. Since hearing of its existence I was
> convinced that
> the original unrated ending would be the best. It's
> powerful (although
> the Jerry Goldsmith is misued) and I like the final shot
> floating into
> Caesar's triumphant face. I can see why Dehn would
> envision Battle
> originally around Caesar as a mad Caligula like demagoge.
> However if
> the rewritten ending had been fixed and his change of heart
> properly
> staged and paced (and the dialogue improved) this would
> have been the
> richer ending.
>
> Regarding the lack of extra footage in the unrated version,
> I wondered
> if Fox simply restored the final reels (does the disc
> branch?) I read
> that Tom Scott originally had a cue when McDonald turns off
> the
> eletrocution table in the workprint version which is
> certainly not
> here. Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring
> the obvious
> violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit
> sequence and other
> little changes are missing?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Since the footage was used later in the film, my guess is it was
> never in the preview cut. No one answered when I asked this before,
> so I'll ask it again, I think it is the true litmus test, did the
> film end with the "THE END" title card like tyhe preview version
did?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Was the scripted pre-title sequence ever included in the original
> cut of
> > the film? I know that it was shot and that some of the footage
was
> used
> > in the scene where Caesar is trying to avoid the police. But has
> anyone
> > involved with the film ever said that it was included in the
initial
> > cuts and later excised?
> >
> > My assumption, and I could be wrong, is that the version of
Conquest
> > being shown on FMC and included on the Blu-Ray disc is the
> Director's
> > cut of the film which was test screened in Phoenix. I've never
heard
> > that that cut of the film included the scripted pre-title
sequence.
> If
> > I'm mistaken please let me know.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@> wrote:
> > > Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring the obvious
> > > violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit sequence
and
> other
> > > little changes are missing?
> > >
> >
>

...and, in truth, I don't see that the new version is THAT much of an
improvement. It does works better to have Breck beaten to death, yes,
but I found the "ape shot in face" shots to be rather gratuitous,
without adding much to the film overall. Still, it was interesting to
view the film as originally intended.

I don't think this version was intended to be the final version. I think Fox knew it would need more tweaking but was unprepared for the negative reaction of the preview audience, so it was more radically altered. Luckily someone decided to use less of the Goldsmith "Search" cue at the end (it really shouldn't have been used at all). The altered ending, even if awkwardly made up of repeated and cropped footage, and with re-edited music cues, was I think an improvement.

-- Rory

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>
>
> I agree with you that ape shot in the face shots are rather

> And much of the blood looked fake by today's standards. But for the

> part the film worked better for me. It really looked like a

>
> The one thing that did bug me was the music cues. For me the music

> in the final version is more theatrical and is more consistant with

> music used from earlier in the film.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> > ...and, in truth, I don't see that the new version is THAT much

> > improvement. It does works better to have Breck beaten to death,

> > but I found the "ape shot in face" shots to be rather gratuitous,
> > without adding much to the film overall. Still, it was

> > view the film as originally intended.
> >
>

I'm betting that the new movie will have nothing to do with the old films except perhaps an ape named Caesar....am I wrong? Has anyone read anything more about it? Seems like a FOx thing to do...another "reimagining" !

Let's not count our monkeys before they're hatched. Rothman talked about how long it took to get the original made in the sixties, said nothing about the nearly decade-long development help the 2001 version went through (and look how that turned out0, and only said "perhaps/maybe" about this new script.

And so we wait.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: bobkind3

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:48 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake

It sort of sounds like it's going to be some vivisection parable or
genetic tampering warning but I'm excited they are even considering it,
even though the "prequel" angle could be handled terribly. Maybe it'll
be smaller more "arty". Find a director who loves these films and
someone with a decent vision (didn't Peter Jackson plan a remake? What
about Guillermo del Toro?)

The question is who will the audience be identifying with? The facist
police state of Breck justifies the ape revolt however bloody in
Conquest. But apes against contemporary man? If the apes' rise becomes
another metaphor for nature turning against man and is used simply to
enable a suspense plot with a group of humans in jeopardy then this
should never be made. Will it just be an ape revolt in the research
lab?

I agree about the Chamber's make-up and the jumpsuits are also pretty
iconic. The irony of Conquest is how Caesar loses his humanity when he
is brutalised by man. His evolution as a character must be central to
any script.

BTW having now seen the unrated Conquest I'm strangely in two minds
which I like best. Since hearing of its existence I was convinced that
the original unrated ending would be the best. It's powerful (although
the Jerry Goldsmith is misued) and I like the final shot floating into
Caesar's triumphant face. I can see why Dehn would envision Battle
originally around Caesar as a mad Caligula like demagoge. However if
the rewritten ending had been fixed and his change of heart properly
staged and paced (and the dialogue improved) this would have been the
richer ending.

Regarding the lack of extra footage in the unrated version, I wondered
if Fox simply restored the final reels (does the disc branch?) I read
that Tom Scott originally had a cue when McDonald turns off the
eletrocution table in the workprint version which is certainly not
here. Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring the obvious
violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit sequence and other
little changes are missing?

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From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 4:58 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake

I'm betting that the new movie will have nothing to do with the old films except perhaps an ape named Caesar....am I wrong? Has anyone read anything more about it? Seems like a FOx thing to do...another "reimagining" !

Let's not count our monkeys before they're hatched.  Rothman talked about how long it took to get the original made in the sixties, said nothing about the nearly decade-long development help the 2001 version went through (and look how that turned out0, and only said "perhaps/maybe" about this new script.

And so we wait.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 2:52 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake

I'm betting that the new movie will have nothing to do with the old films except perhaps an ape named Caesar....am I wrong? Has anyone read anything more about it? Seems like a FOx thing to do...another "reimagining" !

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, bobkind3 <dave@web-magic. demon.co. uk> wrote:

> From: bobkind3 <dave@web-magic. demon.co. uk>
> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 1:48 PM
> It sort of sounds like it's going to be some vivisection
> parable or
> genetic tampering warning but I'm excited they are even
> considering it,
> even though the "prequel" angle could be handled
> terribly. Maybe it'll
> be smaller more "arty". Find a director who loves
> these films and
> someone with a decent vision (didn't Peter Jackson plan
> a remake? What
> about Guillermo del Toro?)
>
> The question is who will the audience be identifying with?
> The facist
> police state of Breck justifies the ape revolt however
> bloody in
> Conquest. But apes against contemporary man? If the
> apes' rise becomes
> another metaphor for nature turning against man and is used
> simply to
> enable a suspense plot with a group of humans in jeopardy
> then this
> should never be made. Will it just be an ape revolt in the
> research
> lab?
>
> I agree about the Chamber's make-up and the jumpsuits
> are also pretty
> iconic. The irony of Conquest is how Caesar loses his
> humanity when he
> is brutalised by man. His evolution as a character must be
> central to
> any script.
>
> BTW having now seen the unrated Conquest I'm strangely
> in two minds
> which I like best. Since hearing of its existence I was
> convinced that
> the original unrated ending would be the best. It's
> powerful (although
> the Jerry Goldsmith is misued) and I like the final shot
> floating into
> Caesar's triumphant face. I can see why Dehn would
> envision Battle
> originally around Caesar as a mad Caligula like demagoge.
> However if
> the rewritten ending had been fixed and his change of heart
> properly
> staged and paced (and the dialogue improved) this would
> have been the
> richer ending.
>
> Regarding the lack of extra footage in the unrated version,
> I wondered
> if Fox simply restored the final reels (does the disc
> branch?) I read
> that Tom Scott originally had a cue when McDonald turns off
> the
> eletrocution table in the workprint version which is
> certainly not
> here. Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring
> the obvious
> violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit
> sequence and other
> little changes are missing?

There was no "THE END" at the end of the film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> Since the footage was used later in the film, my guess is it was
> never in the preview cut. No one answered when I asked this before,
> so I'll ask it again, I think it is the true litmus test, did the
> film end with the "THE END" title card like tyhe preview version did?
>

How do they take over the planet in a way that isn't hard to swallow?

How do you make an APES picture and keep the budget low? Answer: Do what Fox did with the original -- go primitive.

Some genetically enhanced apes are created that have human intelligence and can speak. Then there's some kind of Armageddon that destroys modern civilization and reduces the population of humanity and keeps the super-apes around. We've talked about this before. Basically you're looking at ROAD WARRIOR meets the PLANET OF THE APES. This is how I imagined it would have gone in the original timeline, with the apes eventually dominating what was left of humanity after man had destroyed himself. Frankly, Dehn's second timeline is the one that's hard to swallow.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Remake is a bad choice for word.
> It's a new beginning, new saga using the concept of Conquest as a
starting point.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
>

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 10:23 PM
> I think it's a given they're going to
> "update" it. They're not going to make it part
> of the original films, which already had their
> "Conquest" anyway. The only way I guess is if
> these writers are really fans and, if they use the alternate
> timeline idea, fill in the blanks of the history Cornelius
> and Zira talked about in "Escape". Maybe do a
> trilogy of films about how the apes rose over many decades.
> Rothman did say it takes place before the original film.
> But I think people can rest assured it's not going to
> have anything to do with the Burton flick. There's a
> slight chance it'll relate to the originals but probably
> they're starting from scratch.
>

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1 Comments:

Indy Mo says:

Great list! I'm SO sick of hearing about Turducken. And yes, the one shining light was Fox's POTA film festival--which even included the five Apes TV films. And by cool coincidence, the day before Thanksgiving, my copy of Rich Handley's new book, Timeline of the Planet of the Apes, arrived in my mailbox, so I was able to read that while watching the marathon. Too cool!

Posted at: November 28, 2008 5:39 PM

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Perhaps the remake will "bridge the gap" between CONQUEST and BATTLE.

I don't want the bridge gapped. I think there's serious conceptual and execution flaws with CONQUEST and it's the second-best candidate in the series for revision (the first one would be BENEATH, but probably best to leave that mess alone).

I think that if this project comes off Fox is making the best choice they can. They were really in an impossible situation after the 2001 debacle. They needed to make a sequel for less money, but they were stuck with a film that didn't work -- despite how many people paid to see it before they realized they'd just paid swallow a turd -- but they would have had to have spent more money to make a better sequel. Best to have let the memory of the remake fade before attempting a reboot, which is what this new script sounds like to me, Planet of the Apes Rebooted.

-- Rory

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--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 11:48 AM
> Perhaps the remake will "bridge the gap" between
> CONQUEST and BATTLE.
> I don't want the bridge gapped. I think there's
> serious conceptual and execution flaws with CONQUEST and
> it's the second-best candidate in the series for
> revision (the first one would be BENEATH, but probably best
> to leave that mess alone).
>
>
>
> I think that if this project comes off Fox is making the
> best choice they can. They were really in an impossible
> situation after the 2001 debacle. They needed to make a
> sequel for less money, but they were stuck with a film that
> didn't work -- despite how many people paid to see it
> before they realized they'd just paid swallow a turd --
> but they would have had to have spent more money to make a
> better sequel. Best to have let the memory of the remake
> fade before attempting a reboot, which is what this new
> script sounds like to me, Planet of the Apes Rebooted.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory

--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
> Subject: [pota] Blu-ray set on sale at B&N
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: potadg@..., GOATHUNTER@...
> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 11:08 AM
> Barnes & Noble has the Apes Blu-ray set for $69.99 (half
> off). It's
> not hard to find B&N coupons for an extra 10% or 15%
> off....
>
> http://video.barnesandnoble.com/DVD/Planet-Of-The-Apes-40th-Anniversary-Collection/e/24543551522/?itm=1
>
> Here's a coupon for 15% off:
>
> http://www.barnesandnoble.com/email/nav.asp?r=1&PID=26080&afsrc=1&r=1
>
> Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Maxwell" <alan@...> wrote:
>
> Just a quick question, because I don't remember it offhand - was this
scene
> in the film?
>
> http://www.auldgreytoon.freeserve.co.uk/conquest.jpg
>
> Alan
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:02 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake

I wouldn't be surprised if all the apes are "motion capture" like Davey Jones in "Pirates"... .then they don't bother with makeup.....but that would suck

--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

> From: Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com>
> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 11:48 AM
> Perhaps the remake will "bridge the gap" between
> CONQUEST and BATTLE.
> I don't want the bridge gapped.  I think there's
> serious conceptual and execution flaws with CONQUEST and
> it's the second-best candidate in the series for
> revision (the first one would be BENEATH, but probably best
> to leave that mess alone).
>
>
>
> I think that if this project comes off Fox is making the
> best choice they can.  They were really in an impossible
> situation after the 2001 debacle.  They needed to make a
> sequel for less money, but they were stuck with a film that
> didn't work -- despite how many people paid to see it
> before they realized they'd just paid swallow a turd --
> but they would have had to have spent more money to make a
> better sequel.  Best to have let the memory of the remake
> fade before attempting a reboot, which is what this new
> script sounds like to me, Planet of the Apes Rebooted.
>
>
>
>
> -- Rory

>
> Yeah, if it's suppose to be contemporary then they would have to

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim "apefan"
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
>
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if all the apes are "motion capture" like

>
> --- On Sat, 11/29/08, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> > Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 11:48 AM
> > Perhaps the remake will "bridge the gap" between
> > CONQUEST and BATTLE.
> > I don't want the bridge gapped. I think there's
> > serious conceptual and execution flaws with CONQUEST and
> > it's the second-best candidate in the series for
> > revision (the first one would be BENEATH, but probably best
> > to leave that mess alone).
> >
> >
> >
> > I think that if this project comes off Fox is making the
> > best choice they can. They were really in an impossible
> > situation after the 2001 debacle. They needed to make a
> > sequel for less money, but they were stuck with a film that
> > didn't work -- despite how many people paid to see it
> > before they realized they'd just paid swallow a turd --
> > but they would have had to have spent more money to make a
> > better sequel. Best to have let the memory of the remake
> > fade before attempting a reboot, which is what this new
> > script sounds like to me, Planet of the Apes Rebooted.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Rory
>

That scene is one of the scenes that was cut out. It is in the new Blu
Ray release and also has been shown this week-end on the Fox Movie
Thanksgiving Ape marathon.

Yeah, Governor Breck turns that gorilla's face into a bloody mess.

-- Rory

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the Fox Movie Channel's presentation of Planet of the Apes
hosted by Tom Rothman
>
> www.potacollective.com/tv/legacy.mv
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Al
>

> I was just at Best Buy and they have sets for $175.00.....

> THey
> also put the "bugs" on the front (antitheft device).....they put them
> on so tight that the wires are eating into the case..

>
> I am a big apes fan but I still didn't get the apes tv series dvd
> collection.I was watching some this weekend on fox tv for the first
> time,and I missed most of it.I have seen this footage before, except
> the 1st movie-back to the planet of the apes.
> On the dvd set,do you get all the footage that was shown on fox tv
> this weekend? This tv series is like almost brand new for me.I have
> only seen the 1st movie.Are these movies shown on fox split in 2
> episods?also,will the tv series go blue ray?
>
> Ron
>

----- Original Message -----

From: ronnie2467

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:54 PM

Subject: [pota] 4 apes tv series movies on fox tv

I am a big apes fan but I still didn't get the apes tv series dvd
collection.I was watching some this weekend on fox tv for the first
time,and I missed most of it.I have seen this footage before, except
the 1st movie-back to the planet of the apes.
On the dvd set,do you get all the footage that was shown on fox tv
this weekend? This tv series is like almost brand new for me.I have
only seen the 1st movie.Are these movies shown on fox split in 2
episods?also, will the tv series go blue ray?

Ron

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the Apes."
>
> www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Al
>

>
> Since the footage was used later in the film, my guess is it was
> never in the preview cut. No one answered when I asked this before,
> so I'll ask it again, I think it is the true litmus test, did the
> film end with the "THE END" title card like tyhe preview version

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Was the scripted pre-title sequence ever included in the original
> cut of
> > the film? I know that it was shot and that some of the footage

> used
> > in the scene where Caesar is trying to avoid the police. But has
> anyone
> > involved with the film ever said that it was included in the

> > cuts and later excised?
> >
> > My assumption, and I could be wrong, is that the version of

> > being shown on FMC and included on the Blu-Ray disc is the
> Director's
> > cut of the film which was test screened in Phoenix. I've never

> > that that cut of the film included the scripted pre-title

> If
> > I'm mistaken please let me know.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "bobkind3" <dave@> wrote:
> > > Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring the obvious
> > > violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit sequence

> other
> > > little changes are missing?
> > >
> >
>

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:


> * Has anyone visited where that scene was filmed? I always
> wondered if
> that cave was real or dug into the face of the cliff for
> the movie.
>

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:


> And James Brolin as the narrator? That's a stretch. Why
> not Eric Greene?

They
> have the Mego guys there and all they can show is the blurry
> old toy commercials?!

--- On Sat, 11/29/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

> From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> Subject: [pota] Fox Legacy: Planet of the Apes
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 7:54 PM
> Here's the Fox Movie Channel's presentation of
> Planet of the Apes hosted by Tom Rothman
>
> www.potacollective.com/tv/legacy.mv
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Al

>
> Peter Jackson and del Toro are doing the "Hobbit" flicks. It

> It'd probably be too big for Fox Searchlight to do. They do films

> When it's announced who is doing it then it'll be easier to get a

> Here's that article again that lays out the plot:
> http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/16881/1/IS-PLANET-OF-THE-

> Would this really be like a POTA movie or just a bunch of apes

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bobkind3
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:48 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
>
>
> It sort of sounds like it's going to be some vivisection parable

> genetic tampering warning but I'm excited they are even

> even though the "prequel" angle could be handled terribly. Maybe

> be smaller more "arty". Find a director who loves these films and
> someone with a decent vision (didn't Peter Jackson plan a remake?

> about Guillermo del Toro?)
>
> The question is who will the audience be identifying with? The

> police state of Breck justifies the ape revolt however bloody in
> Conquest. But apes against contemporary man? If the apes' rise

> another metaphor for nature turning against man and is used

> enable a suspense plot with a group of humans in jeopardy then

> should never be made. Will it just be an ape revolt in the

> lab?
>
> I agree about the Chamber's make-up and the jumpsuits are also

> iconic. The irony of Conquest is how Caesar loses his humanity

> is brutalised by man. His evolution as a character must be

> any script.
>
> BTW having now seen the unrated Conquest I'm strangely in two

> which I like best. Since hearing of its existence I was convinced

> the original unrated ending would be the best. It's powerful

> the Jerry Goldsmith is misued) and I like the final shot floating

> Caesar's triumphant face. I can see why Dehn would envision

> originally around Caesar as a mad Caligula like demagoge. However

> the rewritten ending had been fixed and his change of heart

> staged and paced (and the dialogue improved) this would have been

> richer ending.
>
> Regarding the lack of extra footage in the unrated version, I

> if Fox simply restored the final reels (does the disc branch?) I

> that Tom Scott originally had a cue when McDonald turns off the
> eletrocution table in the workprint version which is certainly

> here. Could it be that Fox cut corners, simply restoring the

> violence of the conclusion hence why the pre-credit sequence and

> little changes are missing?
>

>
>
> There was no "THE END" at the end of the film.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "drhasslein" <drhasslein@> wrote:
> >
> > Since the footage was used later in the film, my guess is it was
> > never in the preview cut. No one answered when I asked this

> > so I'll ask it again, I think it is the true litmus test, did the
> > film end with the "THE END" title card like tyhe preview version

> >
>

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

> From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> Subject: [pota] Impact of the Apes
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:11 AM
> As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the
> Apes."
>
> www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Al

As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the Apes."

www.potacollective. com/tv/impact. wmv

Enjoy.

Al

Al, you didn't happen to record all the annoying little Apemania things, did you? I actually haven't been home most of this weekend, so I couldn't get those things, not that I care. I'm only asking for others here that might want to see.

-- Rory

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if anybody has
the cinemafantastique issuye from spring of 1972 it shows and tells
alot of the information im telling all of you. john m

I'm not sure, but has anyone ever scanned that issue of Cinefantastique and posted it someplace?

-- Rory

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>
> No problem.
> In a few I'll have all of Fox's TV presentations online.
> Evolution - Impact - Behind POTA - Look Behind POTA - Fox Legacy

>
> A total of 6 segments. I'll post a link to the pages of the site in

>
> Al
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, the TV series isn't in the blu-rays. The TV shows on DVD are
the original hour-long episodes, not the TV movies shown this weekend
(which are bastardized versions of the episodes, plus 4 episodes
aren't represented in the TV movies). If you like the TV show you can
probably get the DVDs cheap by now.
> As for the TV show going to blu-ray, I've heard that it's
possible, Caesar, if the movies do well. If they make this new movie
that would be a logical tie-in. But some of the makeups are already
too clear on standard DVD so I don't know if that's such a good idea.
However, James Naughton on blu-ray would look good. He's such a dreamboat!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ronnie2467
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:54 PM
> Subject: [pota] 4 apes tv series movies on fox tv
>
>
> I am a big apes fan but I still didn't get the apes tv series dvd
> collection.I was watching some this weekend on fox tv for the first
> time,and I missed most of it.I have seen this footage before, except
> the 1st movie-back to the planet of the apes.
> On the dvd set,do you get all the footage that was shown on fox tv
> this weekend? This tv series is like almost brand new for me.I have
> only seen the 1st movie.Are these movies shown on fox split in 2
> episods?also,will the tv series go blue ray?
>
> Ron
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Just to brag on myself AGAIN!!
>
> The shots of toys with a white background are mine! That's my stuff!
>
> The models, banks, lunchbox, boardgame, candy boxes, archery set,
carded Mego's, Hasbro & Medicom figures, bike flags, play feet,
plate/cup/bowl set, friction wagon, costumes, helicopter....it's my
fifteen seconds of fame!! LOL
>
> Tim
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> > From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> > Subject: [pota] Impact of the Apes
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:11 AM
> > As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the
> > Apes."
> >
> > www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
> >
> > Enjoy.
> >
> > Al
>

> Here's all six TV Presentations from the Fox Movie Channel.

> I'm not sure, but has anyone ever scanned that issue of
> Cinefantastique and posted it someplace?

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, angelofmusic2112 <angelofmusic2112@...> wrote:

> From: angelofmusic2112 <angelofmusic2112@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Impact of the Apes
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 11:13 AM
> What the story behind that Tim? Did they come and take
> pictures of
> your stuff or what?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just to brag on myself AGAIN!!
> >
> > The shots of toys with a white background are mine!
> That's my stuff!
> >
> > The models, banks, lunchbox, boardgame, candy boxes,
> archery set,
> carded Mego's, Hasbro & Medicom figures, bike
> flags, play feet,
> plate/cup/bowl set, friction wagon, costumes,
> helicopter....it's my
> fifteen seconds of fame!! LOL
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
> > > Subject: [pota] Impact of the Apes
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:11 AM
> > > As presented by the Fox Movie Channel.
> "Impact of the
> > > Apes."
> > >
> > > www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
> > >
> > > Enjoy.
> > >
> > > Al
> >

----- Original Message -----

From: scott bosco

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:16 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake

I agree.  This "new" film will be a spring board for the idiots at FOX to re-launch a NEW series by touching on the older ones but going a new direction.  It's stupid.  If they state that the talking ape has been changed by science to be that way and the others aren't it doesn't make sense.  The other apes will never be able to talk and there would be only one.  If they do it to all apes then the real question is why?  Also, why would their children be able to talk?  It a faulty premise unlike the original where the apes aren't reliant on an outside source. The whole things sound half-baked - which is common when re-makes are done.  In their vain attempt in re-doing a film they ruin the basic and most simple thing that made the original work.  In the end proving how talentless they are. I 'll wait and not expect anything good out of this due to past history.  If it's better then I'll be pleasantly surprised.  - Scott --- On Fri, 11/28/08, Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> wrote: From: Haristas@aol. com <Haristas@aol. com> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Friday, November 28, 2008, 7:58 PM I'm betting that the new movie will have nothing to do with the old films except perhaps an ape named Caesar....am I wrong? Has anyone read anything more about it? Seems like a FOx thing to do...another "reimagining" ! Let's not count our monkeys before they're hatched.  Rothman talked about how long it took to get the original made in the sixties, said nothing about the nearly decade-long development help the 2001 version went through (and look how that turned out0, and only said "perhaps/maybe" about this new script. And so we wait. -- Rory Tis the season to save your money! Get the new AOL Holiday Toolbar for money saving offers and gift ideas.

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:26 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] My bro Fox Movie Channel

I thought Brolin was a cool choice as he was the "original" Cornelius!

I was wondering that myself....SURELY someone in the world has a better --non warbly-- copy of these Mego commercials!

--- On Fri, 11/28/08, Jeff K. <veetus@earthlink. net> wrote:

> And James Brolin as the narrator? That's a stretch. Why
> not Eric Greene?

They
> have the Mego guys there and all they can show is the blurry
> old toy commercials? !

----- Original Message -----

From: johnmermigas

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:51 AM

Subject: [pota] conquest remake, what did i miss

i watched most of the weakend stuff saw rothmans diatrbe but whats
all this conquest remake talk, can some one fill me in what did i miss
john m

Great pics! Thanks Tim!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I just added some more then/now comparisons toof Point Dume in "Planet" and now....
>
> http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/browse/46c6?c=
>
> Tim
>

And Dave is one of the biggest, hairest people in the UK! ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> An even bigger, hairier, thank-you from the UK!
>
> Dave B
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz pota1968@ wrote:
> >
> > As presented by the Fox Movie Channel. "Impact of the Apes."
> >  
> > www.potacollective.com/tv/impact.wmv
> >  
> > Enjoy.
> >  
> > Al
> >
>

I asked this question before but does anyone know if the prologue was included in any of the early cuts of the film?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnmermigas" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> this version of conquest lokks loke the version that was exported
> to japan after all the cuts were made after the parental outcrys and
> such. the revolt is the only difference and so it was easier to tack
> on the original revolt since they the japanese market wanted the
> violence . its sloppy but i really feel theis is not the actual
> original phoenix arizona edition. im not saying this because i was a
> film major and meet one of the ass. cameramen but something ndoes not
> sit well. i feal the proluge was cut for violence and time .90
> minutes was important in those days for more showings and the left
> over material was used when the guards chase caesar, if anybody has
> the cinemafantastique issuye from spring of 1972 it shows and tells
> alot of the information im telling all of you. john
> m
>

You'll always be famous to us, Tim!

And to fans of John Adams and From the Earth to the Moon. ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Just to brag on myself AGAIN!!
>
> The shots of toys with a white background are mine! That's my stuff!
>
> The models, banks, lunchbox, boardgame, candy boxes, archery set, carded Mego's, Hasbro & Medicom figures, bike flags, play feet, plate/cup/bowl set, friction wagon, costumes, helicopter....it's my fifteen seconds of fame!! LOL
>
> Tim
>
>