To answer your questions:

1. That is a good question. Virgil asks 'Where is Aldo?' during the battle. Caesar says 'Probably at the other side of the valley by now' in response. Maybe he was trying to do some kind of flanking action but he is no where to be seen during the main battle.

2. To me they look very physically (and prehaps mentally) ill. The mutant guards chasing Caesar, Virgil and McDonald seem to just push them out of the way so it is possible that they were just disguarded by the other mutants since they were too sick to contribute to the community.

3. The answer to this question is coming. We are currently working on a new weekly feature that will answer this and many other questions so stay tuned.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "S. Miller" <masonverger12@...> wrote:
>
> Forgive me if these questions are outrageous or have been addressed
> previously (or in the novels and original screenplays) on "Battle."
>
> 1. Where is Aldo during the final battle? Is he really that much of
> coward that he hides out on the hill and only goes after the wounded?
>
> 2. The city dwellers that attack Virgil...have they been 'discarded'
> or are they a workable part of the mutant population?
>
> 3. When Caesar yells "Take them prisoner", what are the thoughts on
> what the Ape village inhabitants do with the mutants?
>
> Again, I consider myself a great fan, but by no means an
> expert...thoughts on any/all of these?
>

>
> > I'm not sure, but has anyone ever scanned that issue of
> > Cinefantastique and posted it someplace?
>
> I've never seen it, but would love to add it to my site.
>
> Hunter
>

> I'm not sure, but has anyone ever scanned that issue of

> Cinefantastique and posted it someplace?

I've never seen it, but would love to add it to my site.

Hunter

I just added some more then/now comparisons toof Point Dume in "Planet" and now....

http://movies. ph.groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ photos/browse/ 46c6?c=

Tim

That's a really cool set of photos!

-- Rory

---

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>Posted by: "Haristas@..." Haristas@... haristas
>Who's the wise-guy put this comment in after the article? Let me guess...
>Indy Mo says:
>Great list! I'm SO sick of hearing about Turducken. And yes, the one
>shining light was Fox's POTA film festival--which even included the
>five Apes TV films. And by cool coincidence, the day before
>Thanksgiving, my copy of Rich Handley's new book, Timeline of the
>Planet of the Apes, arrived in my mailbox, so I was able to read
>that while watching the marathon. Too cool!

>Posted by: "ronnie2467" ronnie2467@... ronnie2467
>What does everyone think of the possible new apes film-genesis apes? I
>think there is lots of footage to use that was not taken in the first
>conquest movie.What happened to caesar when growing up after escape
>movie? Plus,what happened between the conquest movie and battle,and
>after the battle movie.Is this footage going to be part of new movie?

>>At Chris L.'s request, I once transferred the Magnetic Video

>>That's the 'A Look Behind the POTA', right? The one with David

>>I think it's a better version, though it still doesn't edge out

>>The extras, OK. "Evolution of the Apes" (or: "The Pierre Boulle

>> And James Brolin as the narrator? That's a stretch.

>Why not Eric Greene? <

>>"Impact of the Apes" (or: "Who are these people?").

>>Have you heard? There was a lot of Ape merchandising. This is one I

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, johnmermigas <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

> From: johnmermigas <johnmermigas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: My hopes for the Conquest Remake
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:15 PM
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley
> <goathunter@...> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not sure, but has anyone ever scanned
> that issue of
> > > Cinefantastique and posted it someplace?
> >
> > I've never seen it, but would love to add it to my
> site.
> >
> > Hunter
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> i got the issue. its probably the best apes
> article i ever
> came by in my whole collecting life. i dont have a scanner
> .i could
> mail it to you then scan it and mail it back but im alittle
> trepedatous
> about doing so .contact me john m. forgive any
> spelling errors

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jeff <skintricks@...> wrote:

> From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
> Subject: [pota] malibu
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:17 PM
> We are planning a camping trip at Malibu State Park. I
> can't seem to find the POTA location map that was in the
> files section. Does anyone have that or resend the link,
> please.
>
> Jeff B

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jeff <skintricks@...> wrote:

> From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
> Subject: [pota] malibu
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:17 PM
> We are planning a camping trip at Malibu State Park. I
> can't seem to find the POTA location map that was in the
> files section. Does anyone have that or resend the link,
> please.
>
> Jeff B

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:20 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] malibu

Here these are better...forgot who did them....Rory maybe?

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jeff <skintricks@cox. net> wrote:

> From: Jeff <skintricks@cox. net>
> Subject: [pota] malibu
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com, PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:17 PM
> We are planning a camping trip at Malibu State Park. I
> can't seem to find the POTA location map that was in the
> files section. Does anyone have that or resend the link,
> please.
>
> Jeff B

>>BENEATH was first shown on CBS after BATTLE had come out.  "A

>>Didn't someone here just write that it was originally aired by CBS

>>I just added some more then/now comparisons toof Point Dume in

>>"There is no cave...just a crag in the rocks...I'll look for a pic"

>> Has anyone visited where that scene was filmed? I

>>The TV movies are actually two episodes from the series spliced

>>I am a big apes fan but I still didn't get the apes tv series dvd

>>I'm going to miss this marathon when it's over. :o(  

>>Hello all, im sure this is not the fist time this has been posted

>>Spurred on by a recent discussion here, I thought I'd add a little

>>My second favorite episode, the first season's "I Shot an Arrow

----- Original Message -----

From: Rich Handley

To: potadg@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:32 PM

Subject: [pota] The new film is now called Caesar?

Kind of a weak name, no?

http://www.cinemabl end.com/new/ Planet-Of- The-Apes- Has-A-Director- 11064.html"

>>In the Legacy release, the Don and J. Lee directing shorts were

>>Don Taylor and J. Lee Thompson directing should go on each

----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Lawless

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:04 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: UPDATE Re:Channel of the Apes marathon specials

I can understand them maybe not having access to footage, but what puzzles me is the fact that the narrator specifically says something about how audiences are looking forward to more adventures that might not even be able to be contained on a movie screen. You could almost take that as an offhanded reference to a television series even though the screen size metaphor doesn't work. My guess is that when 'A Look Behind the POTA' was produce, BATTLE hadn't been greenlit yet.

 

Chris L.

 

 

 

"Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com> wrote:

 

>>BENEATH was first shown on CBS after BATTLE had come out.  "A Look Behind the POTA" was indeed shown after that broadcast and didn't contain anything on BATTLE probably because BATTLE was still circulating theatrically or they didn't have access to footage, I don't know!  Anyway, the summer of '73 BATTLE comes out and the unofficial "Go Ape!" marathons start.  In September, CBS has the broadcast premiere of PLANET and the ratings are huge.  They quickly follow with showings of BENEATH in October, then ESCAPE in November.  On Christmas Eve 1973 my brother and I went to a double feature of CONQUEST and BATTLE at a local theatre.  Boy, that was sure a season of the Apes. <<

 

 

I wrote:

 

>>Didn't someone here just write that it was originally aired by CBS after
their first airing of BENEATH? Interesting how BATTLE isn't even alluded to
in that documentary. You'd figure you have a built in audience and that would
have been the right time to announce the fifth film. <<

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That makes sense. According to the Behind Collectors Edition DVD, the 'A Look Behind' short is dated as 1972.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I can understand them maybe not having access to footage, but what
> puzzles me is the fact that the narrator specifically says something
> about how audiences are looking forward to more adventures that might not
> even be able to be contained on a movie screen. You could almost take
> that as an offhanded reference to a television series even though the
> screen size metaphor doesn't work. My guess is that when 'A Look Behind
> the POTA' was produce, BATTLE hadn't been greenlit yet.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Haristas@..." Haristas@... wrote:
>
> >>BENEATH was first shown on CBS after BATTLE had come out. "A Look
> Behind the POTA" was indeed shown after that broadcast and didn't contain
> anything on BATTLE probably because BATTLE was still circulating
> theatrically or they didn't have access to footage, I don't know!
> Anyway, the summer of '73 BATTLE comes out and the unofficial "Go Ape!"
> marathons start. In September, CBS has the broadcast premiere of PLANET
> and the ratings are huge. They quickly follow with showings of BENEATH
> in October, then ESCAPE in November. On Christmas Eve 1973 my brother
> and I went to a double feature of CONQUEST and BATTLE at a local theatre.
> Boy, that was sure a season of the Apes. <<
>
>
> I wrote:
>
> >>Didn't someone here just write that it was originally aired by CBS
> after
> their first airing of BENEATH? Interesting how BATTLE isn't even alluded
> to
> in that documentary. You'd figure you have a built in audience and that
> would
> have been the right time to announce the fifth film. <<
> > Can't pay your bills? Click here to learn about filing for bankruptcy.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw22U6nK9qOOhcltHFgLTMYvbVZdW83LuwCnflOdgfDum2VJM/
>

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/TVAds.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> That's cool info Scott. Thanks for digging it up and sharing!! By any
> chance, were any mention of the ratings for BENEATH and ESCAPE made?
> Also, someone please refresh my memory as to when CONQUEST and BATTLE
> came to CBS for the first time.
>

Both of those were special editions that were releases individually without any of the sequels. Why do you have an objection to them being included as extras?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I was referring more to how all those clips got thrown on the 2 disc
> version of BEHIND, the 35 Anniversary Edition of PLANET- that sort of
> thing.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "James" JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> >>In the Legacy release, the Don and J. Lee directing shorts were
> included
> as Easter Eggs on the Escape and and Conquest discs, respectively. Just
> go to the Special Features screen and press up on your remote. On the
> Escape disc there is an outline of an Ape on Cornelius' arm. On the
> Conquest disc one of the Ape's face is highlighted. Then just press
> select to access the footage. <<
>
>
> I wrote:
>
> >>Don Taylor and J. Lee Thompson directing should go on each respective
> movie,
> and so forth instead of the random collection of extras that's been
> thrown on
> previously released versions. Chance are someone else came up with the
> idea there, but at least there's some logical thinking going on. <<
> > Click here for free information on nursing degrees, up to $150/hour
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2bNIEY9X8cKIhmO7NiXBVdumq4H2EtG90Gk5uDZV7NuDFmO/
>

I could be wrong remembering back 35 years but I believe the "Look Behind" was shown after Planet and not Beneath.

And it was a slightly different version. Again I could be remembering this wrong after 35 but I remember the first few minutes being cut out, starting with the clip of Heston talking in front of the Lawgiver statue and the narrator also mentioning when Beneath would air on CBS.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Somewhere I've got an alternate "Look Behind" that Eric Greene gave me with a different narrator. I think that was the version shown after "Beneath" because he talks about the showing, and I think it's got concept sketches of "Battle". I'd have to look for it to confirm.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:20 AM

Subject: [pota] UPDATE Re:Channel of the Apes marathon specials

I could be wrong remembering back 35 years but I believe the "Look Behind" was shown after Planet and not Beneath.

And it was a slightly different version. Again I could be remembering this wrong after 35 but I remember the first few minutes being cut out, starting with the clip of Heston talking in front of the Lawgiver statue and the narrator also mentioning when Beneath would air on CBS.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Somewhere I've got an alternate "Look Behind" that Eric Greene gave me with a different narrator. I think that was the version shown after "Beneath" because he talks about the showing, and I think it's got concept sketches of "Battle". I'd have to look for it to confirm.
>

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] malibu
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:20 PM
> Here these are better...forgot who did them....Rory maybe?
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jeff <skintricks@...>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Jeff <skintricks@...>
> > Subject: [pota] malibu
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:17 PM
> > We are planning a camping trip at Malibu State Park.
> I
> > can't seem to find the POTA location map that was
> in the
> > files section. Does anyone have that or resend the
> link,
> > please.
> >
> > Jeff B

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Point Dume photos
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 1:57 AM
> Thanks for posting these Tim! When you look at photo #4, the
> 'Then'
> clearly shows that there's no cave there- just a crag
> in the rocks like
> you said which is also visible in the 'Now' photo.
> But in the 'Now'
> photos of #1 and #6, the crag appears to be gone
> altogether. Were these
> all taken at the same time?
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Tim "apefan""
> <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> >>I just added some more then/now comparisons toof
> Point Dume in "Planet"
> and now.... <<
>
> >>"There is no cave...just a crag in the
> rocks...I'll look for a pic" <<
>
>
> I wrote:
>
> >> Has anyone visited where that scene was filmed? I
> always wondered if
> that cave was real or dug into the face of the cliff for
> the movie. <<
>

----- Original Message -----
From: James
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:20 AM
Subject: [pota] UPDATE Re:Channel of the Apes marathon specials



I could be wrong remembering back 35 years but I believe the "Look Behind" was shown after Planet and not Beneath.

And it was a slightly different version. Again I could be remembering this wrong after 35 but I remember the first few minutes being cut out, starting with the clip of Heston talking in front of the Lawgiver statue and the narrator also mentioning when Beneath would air on CBS.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Somewhere I've got an alternate "Look Behind" that Eric Greene gave me with a different narrator. I think that was the version shown after "Beneath" because he talks about the showing, and I think it's got concept sketches of "Battle". I'd have to look for it to confirm.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, rob reading <readingrob@...> wrote:
>
>
> What I would give to see that footage. Stuff like that would be the
icing on the cake.Rob R To: pota@...: softparadeband@...: Mon, 1 Dec
2008 15:58:42 +0000Subject: [pota] 1974 CONQUEST CBS after-special
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone else recall the after-special that ran
immediatly following
> the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It basicly recapped the APES
> films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the then-curent TV series.
> It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio interview with Roddy and
> extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy up as
> Galen.Psychedelic-flavored jazz music plays over much of
> the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau speaks on camera discussing the
> make-up process and how the appliances are fitted onto the actors
> face.The special also features some on-set footage from the making of
> an episode of the TV series including the filming of a scene,which
> turned out NOT to be the master take used in the aired version.There
> are also some reflections back to the other APES films. This was only
> shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of rare TV series-era
> film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____

>I definatly have the CONQUEST after-special on audio tape somewhere

> I remember it well. I know I tape recorded (audio) each film when

> Scott B.
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> From: softparadeband <softparadeband@...>
> Subject: [pota] 1974 CONQUEST CBS after-special
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:58 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone else recall the after-special that ran immediatly

> the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It basicly recapped the

> films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the then-curent TV

> It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio interview with Roddy

> extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy up as
> Galen.Psychedelic- flavored jazz music plays over much of
> the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau speaks on camera discussing

> make-up process and how the appliances are fitted onto the actors
> face.The special also features some on-set footage from the making

> an episode of the TV series including the filming of a scene,which
> turned out NOT to be the master take used in the aired

> are also some reflections back to the other APES films. This was

> shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of rare TV series-era
> film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo
>

> Can anybody verify that the Legacy set released in 2006 was
> released only in widescreen?

Damn! My memory is better than I thought it was. Does it begin with Heston in front of the Lawgive statue?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, you're exactly right. I just looked at it again. It was shown after "Planet" (it mentions "as you saw tonight") and promotes their upcoming showing of "Beneath" on Oct. 26. It's about 12 minutes long and has more footage than just "A Look Behind". It's also got stuff from the featurette, artwork from "Battle". I think I sent Al a copy. Maybe it can go up on the site if it's not already.

Everytime FOX does a timeline they seem to screw something up. My guess is the people they have putting them together don't really know that much about the films.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "peter_karsten63" <peter_karsten63@...> wrote:
>
> Hi There,
>
> Just had a look on Hunter's website and found a Blu-ray timeline from
> their release of the movies.
>
> I just can't believe it when I saw 3955 as the year that Taylor
> landed, or are eyes deceiving me, everybody knows it's 3978 and the
> earth blew up in 3979, mean to say, has'it 20th century fox and those
> people responsible for the DVD release got it right yet! What is their
> problem?
>
> Peter.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Hunter Goatley

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:10 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Legacy DVD

> Can anybody verify that the Legacy set released in 2006 was
> released only in widescreen?

Yes, all 5 movies in the Legacy set were anamorphic widescreen. They
were not in the "Evolution" set released in whenever---1999, 2000.

Hunter

We tried that once and it just confused the hell out of people. But all entries are listed in the group calendar: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal well in advance and is accessible to all members at anytime.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Reading these made me wonder if there's any way that TV reminders can be
> sent out a day in advance? A lot of times, I don't get to check my e-mail
> until I get home from work and/or later in the day, and by that time I've
> already missed whatever was on. Just a thought.
>
> Chris L.
> > Bad web design can hurt your business! Click to hire a professional
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2X254BaP7LvDh5kTS8G7tFLWB7dHKwc7w2ssghcuGHirUxo/
>

Joe, now that you mention it I do have a vague memory of it. Was the episode they showed being filmed 'The Interrogation'? I seem to remember them showing the clip of Urko incorrectly describing brainwashing.

BTW Saw you in the Impact special on FMC this weekend. Congrats!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone else recall the after-special that ran immediatly following
> the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It basicly recapped the APES
> films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the then-curent TV series.
> It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio interview with Roddy and
> extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy up as
> Galen.Psychedelic-flavored jazz music plays over much of
> the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau speaks on camera discussing the
> make-up process and how the appliances are fitted onto the actors
> face.The special also features some on-set footage from the making of
> an episode of the TV series including the filming of a scene,which
> turned out NOT to be the master take used in the aired version.There
> are also some reflections back to the other APES films. This was only
> shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of rare TV series-era
> film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo
>

Welcome to the group Bill. When you get a chance come back and tell us about yourself.

If you have a HD TV and uprating DVD player the films in the Legacy set look really great.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Biff McKeldin" <mckeldin@...> wrote:
>
> Many thanks. I'll trot over to the store after work and pick up the set!
>
> Biff McKeldin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hunter Goatley
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Legacy DVD
>
>
> > Can anybody verify that the Legacy set released in 2006 was
> > released only in widescreen?
>
> Yes, all 5 movies in the Legacy set were anamorphic widescreen. They
> were not in the "Evolution" set released in whenever---1999, 2000.
>
> Hunter
>

SCOTT FRANK TELLS CHUD "I'M NOT REMAKING CONQUEST OF THE PLANET OF THE APES!"

• By Devin Faraci

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Chris Keller <chris@...> wrote:

some new info if you havent already seen http://www.cinematical.com/2008/12/01/resurrection-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

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You also may want to look here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim "apefan"
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [pota] malibu
>
>
> Here these are better...forgot who did them....Rory maybe?
>
> --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Jeff skintricks@... wrote:
>
> > From: Jeff skintricks@...
> > Subject: [pota] malibu
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 7:17 PM
> > We are planning a camping trip at Malibu State Park. I
> > can't seem to find the POTA location map that was in the
> > files section. Does anyone have that or resend the link,
> > please.
> >
> > Jeff B
>

>Yes, correct. The Urko brain "washing" bit actually ends the piece

>
> Joe, now that you mention it I do have a vague memory of it. Was the
> episode they showed being filmed 'The Interrogation'? I seem to

> them showing the clip of Urko incorrectly describing brainwashing.
>
> BTW Saw you in the Impact special on FMC this weekend. Congrats!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone else recall the after-special that ran immediatly
> following
> > the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It basicly recapped the

> > films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the then-curent TV
> series.
> > It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio interview with

> > extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy up as
> > Galen.Psychedelic-flavored jazz music plays over much of
> > the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau speaks on camera

> > make-up process and how the appliances are fitted onto the actors
> > face.The special also features some on-set footage from the

> > an episode of the TV series including the filming of a scene,which
> > turned out NOT to be the master take used in the aired

> > are also some reflections back to the other APES films. This was

> > shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of rare TV series-era
> > film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: David Giwner

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 5:32 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Legacy DVD

Hey Biff where in NYC are you??? Bes Buy on 86th st has POTA movies..   NYC DAVE... --- On Mon, 12/1/08, Biff McKeldin <mckeldin@gmail. com> wrote: From: Biff McKeldin <mckeldin@gmail. com> Subject: [pota] POTA Legacy DVD To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:20 PM Hello everybody,   Sorry to introduce myself with a rudimentary question, but I'm about to purchase the Legacy Collection DVD box set of PotA films and I can't seem to verify that the movies are widescreen (and anamorphic).  The Fox web site says they are, but I can't find the information listed anywhere on the box.  My worry is that the set was released in both widescreen and fullscreen versions and that since the available boxset in my local store doesn't specify then it may be the fullscreen edition.  Can anybody verify that the Legacy set released in 2006 was released only in widescreen?  And I know... I should just get a blu-ray player... but that's down the road a bit.  In the meantime, this past weekend's Fox Channel marathon has put me in the mood to see all five films again.   Thanks a lot!   Biff McKeldin New York City (PotA fan since 1969)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Believed to have inspired Serling to come up with the ending to
PLANET,
> though of course there are others who claim credit as well.
Interesting
> that this was included in the 'Evolution of the Apes' documentary.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "drhasslein" <drhasslein@...> wrote:
>
> >>My second favorite episode, the first season's "I Shot an Arrow
into
> the Air" doesn't have POTA actors, but has the POTA twist... <<
>

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:

> From: softparadeband <softparadeband@...>
> Subject: [pota] 1974 CONQUEST CBS after-special
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:58 AM
> Does anyone else recall the after-special that ran
> immediatly following
> the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It basicly recapped
> the APES
> films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the
> then-curent TV series.
> It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio interview
> with Roddy and
> extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy up as
> Galen.Psychedelic-flavored jazz music plays over much of
> the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau speaks on
> camera discussing the
> make-up process and how the appliances are fitted onto the
> actors
> face.The special also features some on-set footage from the
> making of
> an episode of the TV series including the filming of a
> scene,which
> turned out NOT to be the master take used in the aired
> version.There
> are also some reflections back to the other APES films.
> This was only
> shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of rare TV
> series-era
> film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo

51st & 10th! Wow! My mom grew up on 51st & 10th and was married at Sacred Heart and I was born at St Vincent's. My grandmother lived there for years and I would spend a couple of weeks with her every summer. I would make her take me to see St. Patrick's, Radio City, Grand Central and the Library because I wanted to see the real places featured in Beneath.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Biff McKeldin" <mckeldin@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I live in Manhattan at 51st and 10th, but work down in the Village (at NYU). I did pick up the Legacy Collection at Kim's Video on St. Marks (they currently have a 30% off sale). Haven't popped a movie in the player yet, but the individual boxes confirm that each film is 2.35 widescreen enhanced for 16:9 TVs (my sigh of relief almost collapsed a lung ;-)). I'm going to have an early Holiday.
>
> Biff
>

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@...> wrote:

> From: ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@...>
> Subject: [pota] timeline of the planet of the apes
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:23 PM
> I just ordered the new TIMELINE book.Does anyone have it?
> What do you
> like about it? I still have to get a blue ray player and
> buy the apes
> blue ray set.
>
> Ronnie

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:

> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@...>
> Subject: [pota] Update on new Caesar film
> To: potadg@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:58 PM
> From CHUD:
>
>
>
>
> SCOTT FRANK TELLS CHUD "I'M NOT REMAKING CONQUEST
> OF THE
> PLANET OF THE APES!"
>
> By Devin
> Faraci
> For the last month I've been on the heels of a story
> that has
> excited me: Fox has been developing a new Planet of the
> Apes film, a
> prequel. There were a lot of rumors. We heard from sources
> close to Fox
> that the film (which we were told was called Planet of the
> Apes: Genesis
> or Genesis: Apes) was a remake of Conquest of the Planet of
> the Apes. It
> would tell the story of Caesar, the chimpanzee who led the
> apes in
> rebellion, conquering humanity and creating a planet where
> apes ruled and
> humans served.
>
>
> As we learned this weekend, things have changed in the
> previous months.
> Fox is still excited about this property, and now
> they've put the film
> into the hands of writer/director Scott Frank. The film is
> now called
> Caesar. But what about the rest of the info? Was any of it
> true? If so,
> does it still apply now that Frank is on the project? I
> went to the
> source and this morning spoke to Scott Frank himself.
>
>
> Caesar is not a remake of Conquest of the Planet of the
> Apes. This is a
> fact that Frank can't stress to you enough - his film
> will not feature
> talking monkeys, and it will not end with chimpanzees
> running wild in the
> streets, taking over the world. But it isn't entirely
> divorced from the
> world of Planet of the Apes, either. In fact, Frank sees
> his movie as the
> opening chapter in a saga that could span the thousand
> years between
> today and a world where apes rule.
>
>
> What's most exciting about Caesar is that Frank is
> committed to telling a
> hard
>
> science fiction story. The science that creates a
> hyper-intelligent
> chimpanzee is based on current real world research - this
> film would just
> take that science one step further. He's also committed
> to telling a
> story based on character, not antic ape action. His plan
> for Caesar is
> one where you come to really feel for this ape, even as the
> final act
> sees him taking actions that may be hard for us to agree
> with.
>
>
> But getting Caesar to be a real character on the page is
> just one of the
> challenges still facing Frank. He is right now just in the
> beginning
> phases of rewriting the script, and even if he is able to
> nail the story,
> he still has to figure out if he can bring Caesar to life
> on screen.
> Since he doesn't want to have people running around in
> monkey
> suits, Frank is doing lots of research into the state of
> effects
> today - can he create a photoreal chimpanzee (one who is
> facially
> modified by the genetic engineering that grants him his
> intelligence) who
> will be the main character for this film? Can he create a
> character who
> is completely expressive through his face, eyes, and
> gestures (including
> sign language) without speaking a word of dialogue?
>
>
> Fox seems convinced Frank can make it work. Caesar excites
> the
> writer/director because it's something so outside of
> his wheelhouse*, but
> he's adamant that he wants to get it right, and he says
> that the studio
> feels the same way. This is a film that needs to be
> grounded in character
> and science, and then made to feel real. While we
> didn't get into
> details, what Frank told me made Caesar sound like it would
> also continue
> the Apes tradition of tackling social issues, something
> sorely lacking in
> Tim Burton's stillborn re-imagining.
>
>
> Frank was audibly excited about the movie as he told me
> about it, but he
> was also very cautious to say that he wouldn't know if
> the film would be
> going ahead until at least February. It does sound like Fox
> is eager to
> get this franchise restarted, so I hope that Frank feels
> comfortable with
> his script and the FX, since I'd rather see a guy who
> can write (and
> direct, judging by the criminally underseen The Lookout) on
> this film
> than a guy whose commercial background convinces the suits
> he can shoot
> action that will look cool in a trailer.
>
>
> As a lifelong fan of the Apes series, Frank's take on
> this material has
> me excited in a way that I wouldn't have thought
> possible. The great
> thing about each of the original Apes sequels is that they
> did something
> new and unexpected, and there are many elements in
> Frank's concept that
> fit right in that tradition. His story is one that will
> work as a
> standalone thriller, as a science fiction thinker and as
> the beginning of
> a larger, grander saga.
>
>
> Hopefully Caesar will continue moving forward. If it does,
> expect us to
> be at the forefront of its evolution, bringing you all the
> latest
> news.
>
>
> * Although it's worth noting that Frank has been
> involved in thoughtful
> scifi before, namely Minority Report.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:

> From: softparadeband <softparadeband@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: 1974 CONQUEST CBS after-special
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:17 PM
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James"
> <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> >Yes, correct. The Urko brain "washing" bit
> actually ends the piece
> cold.There is also an outtake of the scene where Galen
> visits the
> Prefect he knew when they were young chimps.I just received
> the
> bluray set from Fox today. Impressed with the overall
> quality of the
> packaging/presentation and book although I just can't
> get fully
> appreciate the APEMANIA actors replacing vintage character
> images.
> Why? They have their place and I admire the fact that they
> replicate
> the vintage make-up and costumes,but unless it is an
> APEMANIA-cast
> piece, I think the studio should stick to depicting vintage
> photo
> materials. It just makes more sense. Just my
> kneejerk opinion. How do the other members feel?
> Regarding the
> interview segments, I tried to be as helpful as possible. I
> had no
> time to prepare in advance, so I was speaking solely on
> existing memory, which thankfully is pretty good.I believe
> I'm on all
> but the EVOLUTION piece which had been concluded before I
> was
> involved. I offered to make my entire collection of audio,
> photos and
> documents available, but ultimately we did not go ahead
> with any of
> that usage.Just as well,perhaps because if the new APE film
> becomes a
> reality, I will definatly set my sights on a revamped,
> revised
> edition of PLANET OF THE APES REVISITED with mostly new
> photos, more
> color and
> perhaps some complete interview transcripts as well--JR
> >
> > Joe, now that you mention it I do have a vague memory
> of it. Was the
> > episode they showed being filmed 'The
> Interrogation'? I seem to
> remember
> > them showing the clip of Urko incorrectly describing
> brainwashing.
> >
> > BTW Saw you in the Impact special on FMC this weekend.
> Congrats!
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com,
> "softparadeband" <softparadeband@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone else recall the after-special that
> ran immediatly
> > following
> > > the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It
> basicly recapped the
> APES
> > > films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the
> then-curent TV
> > series.
> > > It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio
> interview with
> Roddy and
> > > extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy
> up as
> > > Galen.Psychedelic-flavored jazz music plays over
> much of
> > > the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau
> speaks on camera
> discussing the
> > > make-up process and how the appliances are fitted
> onto the actors
> > > face.The special also features some on-set
> footage from the
> making of
> > > an episode of the TV series including the filming
> of a scene,which
> > > turned out NOT to be the master take used in the
> aired
> version.There
> > > are also some reflections back to the other APES
> films. This was
> only
> > > shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of
> rare TV series-era
> > > film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo
> > >
> >

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, smagelowitz <smagelowitz@...> wrote:

> From: smagelowitz <smagelowitz@...>
> Subject: [pota] Metaphor Criticism Paper
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:32 PM
> Hey all, I am new to this forum, but it's got a ton of
> great
> information on Planet of the Apes, which is exactly what I
> am looking
> for. I need to write a paper for my rhetorical criticism
> class on
> planet of the apes and the lens I chose to use was
> metaphorical
> criticism. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Basically,
> I need to
> use the metaphors in this movie to come up with an idea
> that will be
> the length of 15 pages. I am currently thinking of
> relating it to the
> idea that a lot of the metaphors represent the African
> American
> struggle in the U.S. society in the 60s and onward. Thanks
> a lot for
> taking your time, I appreciate any advice.
>
> -Steve

----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:27 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: UPDATE : "A Look Behind" 2 and great Scott

Damn! My memory is better than I thought it was. Does it begin with Heston in front of the Lawgive statue?

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, you're exactly right. I just looked at it again. It was shown after "Planet" (it mentions "as you saw tonight") and promotes their upcoming showing of "Beneath" on Oct. 26. It's about 12 minutes long and has more footage than just "A Look Behind". It's also got stuff from the featurette, artwork from "Battle". I think I sent Al a copy. Maybe it can go up on the site if it's not already.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> mine's on the way according to hulu....!
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@...> wrote:
>
> > From: ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@...>
> > Subject: [pota] timeline of the planet of the apes
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:23 PM
> > I just ordered the new TIMELINE book.Does anyone have it?
> > What do you
> > like about it? I still have to get a blue ray player and
> > buy the apes
> > blue ray set.
> >
> > Ronnie
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 4:53 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Update on new Caesar film

That's what I thought....a CGI Caesar....If he looks and moves like King Kong that might be okay.....But it sounds like it has nothing to do with either original POTA or the 2001 one....in that case, I hope they just don't even use "planet of the Apes" title at all!!!

--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Rich Handley <handleyr@optonline. net> wrote:

> From: Rich Handley <handleyr@optonline. net>
> Subject: [pota] Update on new Caesar film
> To: potadg@yahoogroups. com, pota@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:58 PM
> From CHUD:
>
>
>
>
> SCOTT FRANK TELLS CHUD "I'M NOT REMAKING CONQUEST
> OF THE
> PLANET OF THE APES!"
>
> By Devin
> Faraci
> For the last month I've been on the heels of a story
> that has
> excited me: Fox has been developing a new Planet of the
> Apes film, a
> prequel. There were a lot of rumors. We heard from sources
> close to Fox
> that the film (which we were told was called Planet of the
> Apes: Genesis
> or Genesis: Apes) was a remake of Conquest of the Planet of
> the Apes. It
> would tell the story of Caesar, the chimpanzee who led the
> apes in
> rebellion, conquering humanity and creating a planet where
> apes ruled and
> humans served.
>
>
> As we learned this weekend, things have changed in the
> previous months.
> Fox is still excited about this property, and now
> they've put the film
> into the hands of writer/director Scott Frank. The film is
> now called
> Caesar. But what about the rest of the info? Was any of it
> true? If so,
> does it still apply now that Frank is on the project? I
> went to the
> source and this morning spoke to Scott Frank himself.
>
>
> Caesar is not a remake of Conquest of the Planet of the
> Apes. This is a
> fact that Frank can't stress to you enough - his film
> will not feature
> talking monkeys, and it will not end with chimpanzees
> running wild in the
> streets, taking over the world. But it isn't entirely
> divorced from the
> world of Planet of the Apes, either. In fact, Frank sees
> his movie as the
> opening chapter in a saga that could span the thousand
> years between
> today and a world where apes rule.
>
>
> What's most exciting about Caesar is that Frank is
> committed to telling a
> hard
>
> science fiction story. The science that creates a
> hyper-intelligent
> chimpanzee is based on current real world research - this
> film would just
> take that science one step further. He's also committed
> to telling a
> story based on character, not antic ape action. His plan
> for Caesar is
> one where you come to really feel for this ape, even as the
> final act
> sees him taking actions that may be hard for us to agree
> with.
>
>
> But getting Caesar to be a real character on the page is
> just one of the
> challenges still facing Frank. He is right now just in the
> beginning
> phases of rewriting the script, and even if he is able to
> nail the story,
> he still has to figure out if he can bring Caesar to life
> on screen.
> Since he doesn't want to have people running around in
> monkey
> suits, Frank is doing lots of research into the state of
> effects
> today - can he create a photoreal chimpanzee (one who is
> facially
> modified by the genetic engineering that grants him his
> intelligence) who
> will be the main character for this film? Can he create a
> character who
> is completely expressive through his face, eyes, and
> gestures (including
> sign language) without speaking a word of dialogue?
>
>
> Fox seems convinced Frank can make it work. Caesar excites
> the
> writer/director because it's something so outside of
> his wheelhouse*, but
> he's adamant that he wants to get it right, and he says
> that the studio
> feels the same way. This is a film that needs to be
> grounded in character
> and science, and then made to feel real. While we
> didn't get into
> details, what Frank told me made Caesar sound like it would
> also continue
> the Apes tradition of tackling social issues, something
> sorely lacking in
> Tim Burton's stillborn re-imagining.
>
>
> Frank was audibly excited about the movie as he told me
> about it, but he
> was also very cautious to say that he wouldn't know if
> the film would be
> going ahead until at least February. It does sound like Fox
> is eager to
> get this franchise restarted, so I hope that Frank feels
> comfortable with
> his script and the FX, since I'd rather see a guy who
> can write (and
> direct, judging by the criminally underseen The Lookout) on
> this film
> than a guy whose commercial background convinces the suits
> he can shoot
> action that will look cool in a trailer.
>
>
> As a lifelong fan of the Apes series, Frank's take on
> this material has
> me excited in a way that I wouldn't have thought
> possible. The great
> thing about each of the original Apes sequels is that they
> did something
> new and unexpected, and there are many elements in
> Frank's concept that
> fit right in that tradition. His story is one that will
> work as a
> standalone thriller, as a science fiction thinker and as
> the beginning of
> a larger, grander saga.
>
>
> Hopefully Caesar will continue moving forward. If it does,
> expect us to
> be at the forefront of its evolution, bringing you all the
> latest
> news.
>
>
> * Although it's worth noting that Frank has been
> involved in thoughtful
> scifi before, namely Minority Report.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Rory, I don't have the original Magnetic Video version of PLANET, but I do have the first 20th Century Fox video version in that near little slide out tray.

You know, I just remembered I have that too!  Forgot all about it, but now I no longer have a VHS machine!

-- Rory

---

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>I got mine from Lulu today. It looks amazing. I'm going to need to
>set aside a few hours to really go through it.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gp3085" <urko3085@...> wrote:
> I got mine from Lulu today. It looks amazing. I'm going to need to
> set aside a few hours to really go through it.
> Incidently, the book was packed very well. It was in a sturdy box
> with plastic straps, and the book itself was in a foam sleeve, then
> shrink-wrapped to a piece of cardboard. It would have taken some
> effort by the postman to damage the book.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> >
> > mine's on the way according to hulu....!
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@> wrote:
> >
> > > From: ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@>
> > > Subject: [pota] timeline of the planet of the apes
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:23 PM
> > > I just ordered the new TIMELINE book.Does anyone have it?
> > > What do you
> > > like about it? I still have to get a blue ray player and
> > > buy the apes
> > > blue ray set.
> > >
> > > Ronnie
> >
>

> gp3085 <urko3085@...> wrote:
>
> I got mine from Lulu today. It looks amazing. I'm going to need to
> set aside a few hours to really go through it.
>
> Incidently, the book was packed very well. It was in a sturdy box
> with plastic straps, and the book itself was in a foam sleeve, then
> shrink-wrapped to a piece of cardboard. It would have taken some
> effort by the postman to damage the book.
>
> Greg
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
> >
> > mine's on the way according to hulu....!
> >
> >
> > --- On Mon, 12/1/08, ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@...> wrote:
> >
> > > From: ronnie2467 <ronnie2467@...>
> > > Subject: [pota] timeline of the planet of the apes
> > > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 4:23 PM
> > > I just ordered the new TIMELINE book.Does anyone have it?
> > > What do you
> > > like about it? I still have to get a blue ray player and
> > > buy the apes
> > > blue ray set.
> > >
> > > Ronnie
> >

>
> I remember it well. I know I tape recorded (audio) each film when

> Scott B.
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, softparadeband <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> From: softparadeband <softparadeband@...>
> Subject: [pota] 1974 CONQUEST CBS after-special
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 10:58 AM
> ABSOLUTELEY!!! Yeah as a matter of fact,I can never forget the

>
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone else recall the after-special that ran immediatly

> the CBS airing of CONQUEST circa 11/74? It basicly recapped the

> films CBS had aired and served as a promo for the then-curent TV

> It runs 13 minutes and features a brief audio interview with Roddy

> extensive film coverage of FRED BLAU making Roddy up as
> Galen.Psychedelic- flavored jazz music plays over much of
> the "transformation" footage.Fred Blau speaks on camera discussing

> make-up process and how the appliances are fitted onto the actors
> face.The special also features some on-set footage from the making

> an episode of the TV series including the filming of a scene,which
> turned out NOT to be the master take used in the aired

> are also some reflections back to the other APES films. This was

> shown ONCE, but would be a tremendous source of rare TV series-era
> film. Anyone else remember seeing this? Joe Russo
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> You should definatly read Eric Greene's book!
> "Planet of the Apes: As American Myth"
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 12/1/08, smagelowitz <smagelowitz@...> wrote:
>
> > From: smagelowitz <smagelowitz@...>
> > Subject: [pota] Metaphor Criticism Paper
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 5:32 PM
> > Hey all, I am new to this forum, but it's got a ton of
> > great
> > information on Planet of the Apes, which is exactly what I
> > am looking
> > for. I need to write a paper for my rhetorical criticism
> > class on
> > planet of the apes and the lens I chose to use was
> > metaphorical
> > criticism. Does anyone have any ideas for me? Basically,
> > I need to
> > use the metaphors in this movie to come up with an idea
> > that will be
> > the length of 15 pages. I am currently thinking of
> > relating it to the
> > idea that a lot of the metaphors represent the African
> > American
> > struggle in the U.S. society in the 60s and onward. Thanks
> > a lot for
> > taking your time, I appreciate any advice.
> >
> > -Steve
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mgreythorne@... wrote:
>
>
> Great, well it should make the journey to Oz in good shape.
>
> How long does it take from time of order to shipping?
>
> ta

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:

> From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...>
> Subject: [pota] HDMI CABLES
> To: "Pota" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 9:06 PM
> Rory and Tim these are the HDMi cables I purchased for my
> Blue Ray player.. I opted for the Sony BDP 350. I got it
> at Best Buy for $199.. I bought the monster cables for $80
> and my friend emailed this site for these cables.. I ordered
> them and will return the monster cables back to Best Buy..
> I thought I was doing the right thing by buying the
> monster cables... What do you think??
> NYC DAVE...
>
> http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10242

--- On Tue, 12/2/08, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
> Subject: [pota] more things I noticed during the Channel of the Apes Marathon
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2008, 1:24 AM
> More assorted odds and ends that came to mind while watching
> the films
> over the past four days.
>
>
> ESCAPE
>
> * When Zira aces the shapes in the draw test (Wisconsin
> multiphasic?), I
> never realized that Cornelius gives this little chuckle
> under his breath.
>
>
> CONQUEST
>
> * When MacDonald asks "How do you propose to gain this
> freedom?", he
> sounds EXACTLY like Austin Stoker. Right down to vocal
> inflection.
>
> * The white chair that Armando is sitting in while being
> interrogated is
> the same chair seen at the President's desk in ESCAPE.
>
> * All in all, you really don't see that many orangutans
> among the ape
> populace during the revolt scenes. I'd have to believe
> that was
> deliberate. Anyone have any thoughts as to why?
>
> * During the scenes where the apes are gathering their
> weapons in that
> underground storage room, Lou Wagner's Busboy character
> is the one
> sorting everything and putting it all in (what appears to
> be) an oil
> drum. I remember reading once where he said that originally
> his character
> was essentially a sidekick to Caesar, and when they were
> recutting the
> film they wanted to change where his name appeared in the
> credits because
> the majority of his scenes were removed. So at least
> there's some
> evidence intact of his original role in the film. Unless
> his character
> only appears in the original cut of CONQUEST and that's
> why I never
> noticed him there before. I'll have to dig out a DVD
> and check.
>
> * I also never remembered the scene where- after the first
> armed attack
> on the apes (where the one chimp gets shot in the face) you
> see the
> guards callously laughing afterwards. Again, this could be
> unique to the
> original cut.
>
> * Ditto for the scene after Caesar find out about Armando
> and he's
> looking at the flyer posted in the one storefront window. I
> remember him
> putting his finger up to the poster, but not tapping on the
> glass. A
> minor point, obviously, but if the scene is different
> between the two
> films then someone had to make a conscious decision to
> change it.
>
> So it looks like I've got three scenes from the
> original CONQUEST to
> check out now and compare to the theatrical version.
>
>
> BATTLE
>
> (these are more just thoughts rather than things I just
> realized)
>
> * As had been recently mentioned here, it's really
> strange that Aldo
> wasn't part of the battle in BATTLE. Caesar's line
> about him being on the
> "other side of the valley" seemed to indicate
> that he was aware of what
> Aldo might be doing in terms of a defense strategy, but
> it's still odd
> that he was absent until the very end. At which point, he
> was right near
> where the barricade was because you could see it as the
> school bus was
> leaving.
>
> * One of my favorite musical cues from the film is the
> scene where Caesar
> is pursuing Aldo through the trees. It's such an
> atypical piece for
> Rosenman, and using the saxophone to hold a low end,
> sustained dark tone
> like that really captures the exact mood of the scene.
> Plus, the scene
> itself is even longer in the extended version so
> there's more of that
> music to be heard. Unfortunately, the shorter cue is what
> appears on the
> FSM soundtrack CD.
>
>
> GENERAL
>
> * On Thursday night, the trailers for PLANET, BENEATH, and
> CONQUEST were
> shown immediately before the film, but not the ones for
> ESCAPE and
> BATTLE. I'm unsure about the other times the film were
> run on Friday,
> Saturday, and Sunday.
>
> * The clip they kept showing for the premiere of
> 'Australia' at the
> Ziegfeld in NYC was apropos because that's where a few
> of us saw the
> original film back in March of this year.
>
> * Film I saw the most times: CONQUEST (3)
>
> * Amount of times I *thought* I could stay awake for a 4 AM
> showing of
> BATTLE: 2. I know it has it's detractors, but I really
> do enjoy BATTLE.
> And the additional footage really does improve the flow of
> the story.
>
> * Interesting too how CONQUEST and BATTLE were grouped
> together on the
> schedule over the four days even when the five films
> weren't being shown
> in order.
>
> * Finally, on a lark I recorded the end of the last showing
> of BATTLE to
> see if there'd be something acknowledging the end of
> the marathon. There
> wasn't.
>
>
> Chris L.
>

--- On Sun, 11/30/08, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

> From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Impact of the Apes
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 2:50 PM
> You'll always be famous to us, Tim!
>
> And to fans of John Adams and From the Earth to the Moon.
> ;-)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim
> \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just to brag on myself AGAIN!!
> >
> > The shots of toys with a white background are mine!
> That's my stuff!
> >
> > The models, banks, lunchbox, boardgame, candy boxes,
> archery set,
> carded Mego's, Hasbro & Medicom figures, bike
> flags, play feet,
> plate/cup/bowl set, friction wagon, costumes,
> helicopter....it's my
> fifteen seconds of fame!! LOL
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >