> my 11 year old's broken tooth (!) I was lucky
> my head didn't fly off.

> Hunter- I am sorry we somehow did not connect today. I'm always glad
> to meet fellow Ape fans and now wish I'd accosted everyone else in the
> theater to find you. Hopefully at some future date- hopefully not 3974!

> But his other problem was something I should have considered- he
> didn't get the idea of nuclear annihilation. He just doesn't have the
> common reference of that fear as a Damocles sword hanging over him as
> I did as a kid.

> I'm glad he doesn't fear his mother and himself being
> atomized in an instant because two nations can't agree on how to run
> an economy. It's a shame he couldn't have the same response to POTA
> that I and millions of others of our generation had- but I'm happy his
> biggest worry right now is a messed up tooth and report on Abraham
> Lincoln.

> Plus- he wants to see the sequel movies anyway. What does that say
> about the qualities of a 41 year old movie?

>>Same was true of Star Wars. There was little or

>>As far as the merchandizing on DOLITTLE... Let's just say it

>>I think it was the huge ratings the first three films got in their

>>One thing that Dr. Dolittle did was make merchandisers unwilling to

>>Still, I'm sad when I recall all the years in the nineties I spent

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> No. What are you refering to?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > There's a blooper right in CONQUEST, a mistake unlike anything
else in
> > any of the other movies. Does anyone else know it?
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> > -
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone. I am patiently waiting for all of my orders to come in,
> and am busy doing mental gymnastics, trying to figure out how to
> successfully augment to the hairpieces I ordered for Zira's costume. At
> least I can start augmenting to the hair pieces, which may be a lot of work
> but well worth it in the end. My plan for this weekend is to complete the
> hair augmentation to the hairpieces I already have in-house, and to start
> assembling all of the materials and bits to the costume in one general area
> of my bedroom.
>
>
> Jessica.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
>
> 10 years ago I had one of the best POTA dedicated websites on the
> internet but overtime it "fell apart"
>
> I really feel that POTA deserves a nice Fan Club site
> I want it to be a great useful site for dedicated fans but more
importantly to non-POTA fans
> to draw them in with a great variety of useful info on the series
> that will make them want to watch these classic movies etc.
>
> Hunter's site landed up being what I originally wanted mine to be
10 yrs ago
> He now definitely has the best site for POTA product for sure so no
sense going that same route
> but I want something to lure new fans in
>
> I am still a bit short of time but it doesnt do us much good having
a website empty and useless
>
> So if any fans would like to help participate in helping upgrade
the website I'd appreciate any help or input
>
> I'm open to ideas from you all - thanks
> Lets give POTA the support it needs this year !
>
> PLANET OF THE APES FAN CLUB
> www.planetoftheapesfanclub.com
>

> One thing that strikes me about all the sites that are up and running
> at present , really only cater for the american market.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Can you cook too?!
> - Scott B.
>
> --- On Sun, 2/8/09, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's crunch time for Wondercon!!
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:03 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I couldn't find any shots of my other costumes. That was many
Halloweens ago, but I did find last year's:
>
> http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_
4806.jpg
>
> And the Nefertiti one from a few years ago:
> http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout
fitters/2007hall oween019. jpg
>
> Jessica
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@
gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> James, here is a front shot. Kinda.
>
> http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout
fitters/zira. jpg
>
> Jessica.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:53 AM, James <JamesA1102@aol. com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Great work Jessica. Would love to see a pic of the front.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ ...>
wrote:
> >
>
> > I worked all day to hand tie two strands of hair at a time for
Zira's
> > hairline. It was actually a human hair lace beard, but there was
no way it
> > could have been combed and blended into the main wig without the
> > augmentation of the additional hair. Thanks very much to Tom
Trubalcava's
> > explanations, I was able to forge ahead.
> >
> > Here are some photos.
> > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout
fitters/zira008- 1.jpg
> > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout
fitters/zira007- 1.jpg
> >
> > The beard around her bottom jawline is just temporary. It will
still need
> > to be cut and trimmed.
> >
> > Jessica
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@> wrote:
>
> > One thing that strikes me about all the sites that are up and
running
> > at present , really only cater for the american market.
>
> I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, Mark? Hunter's downloads
can
> be downloaded the world over? The message boards and websites simply
> reflect what is happening in the world of POTA. Thought's, opinions
> and discussion aren't bound by geographical borders?
>
> If you're referring to activities, the following site has a more,
but
> not exclusive, British slant.
>
> http://forumoftheapes.yuku.com/
>
> Dave B
>

Yes I live in NYC but only 2 of the 3 showings of Planet were. The one that had the most people was the showing I went to with Jeff K. in New Jersey. It also had a better print than the Ziegfeld.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> You live in New York City, James!
>
> -- Rory
>

That looks great Jessica. Do you paint or add make-up to it when it is done?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> James, here is a front shot. Kinda.
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/zira.jpg
>
> Jessica.
>
> On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:53 AM, James JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> > *Great work Jessica. Would love to see a pic of the front.*
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich jessicarotich@ wrote:
> > >
> > > I worked all day to hand tie two strands of hair at a time for Zira's
> > > hairline. It was actually a human hair lace beard, but there was no way
> > it
> > > could have been combed and blended into the main wig without the
> > > augmentation of the additional hair. Thanks very much to Tom Trubalcava's
> > > explanations, I was able to forge ahead.
> > >
> > > Here are some photos.
> > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/zira008-1.jpg
> > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/zira007-1.jpg
> > >
> > > The beard around her bottom jawline is just temporary. It will still need
> > > to be cut and trimmed.
> > >
> > > Jessica
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

Those are great Jessica. I assume the first one is a Moonbase technician from the old UFO series.

And who is that with you in the second pic?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> I couldn't find any shots of my other costumes. That was many Halloweens
> ago, but I did find last year's:
>
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_4806.jpg
>
> And the Nefertiti one from a few years ago:
> http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/2007halloween019.jpg
>
> Jessica
>

Would love to go but I live in New York and there is no way I can travel to San Francisco right now.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Anybody want to go ape with me? March 1 in San Francisco? I promise I
> won't bite!!
>
>

Just an FYI. Roddy's home movies are available on the group website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RHM.htm and on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RHM.htm .

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Well, if you have that Roddy McDowall home movie of him being made up
> on the set of the original, just watch that a few dozen times, also
> study every color photo you can view to get ideas.
>
> Seems to me you'll do OK, at least as good as Apemania, though I
> honestly feel they could do better. The makeup looked best in the
> original film, that's the only reference I'd use as to how the makeup
> should look.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> It's too bad that there aren't any old U-matic tapes of that broadcast.
> It'd be interesting to see them again with all the commercials from the
> time, the bumps, and that great theme music CBS had for 'A CBS Special
> Movie Presentation' with the French Horns.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Haristas@..." Haristas@... wrote:
>
> >>I think it was the huge ratings the first three films got in their
> network showing in the fall of 1973. I recently found a list of the
> highest rated theatrical films shown that season (AIRPORT was #1 with
> PLANET #2) and even ESCAPE had a 50% share of the entire national
> audience the night it was shown. <<
>
>
> "James" JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> >>One thing that Dr. Dolittle did was make merchandisers unwilling to
> sign on to a film property that was unproven. Most likely that was why
> most of the POTA merchandise did not happen until the TV series. By
> then POTA was a proven quantity. <<
> > Find the perfect Wheel Chair. Click here.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw1lvVCxWq5HhwI1gUm78SXecnD7MGMCyeoZvILVmU2wFJnfY/
>

I think you are always going to have a divide between new fans and old fans. I remember when Star Trek: The Next Generation started. There were fans of the old show that refused to accept it. There were fans of the original Star Trek series who never accepted the movies, even the good ones.

I know most fans of the original BSG wanted a straight continuation but so do hardcore fans of the original Lost in Space. But in the end that is just myopia.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I think the old vs. new BSG debate could go on for quite some time, but
> since this is a POTA group I'll let this one rest before it goes on too
> long. :-) However- just to clarify- I'm not saying that the new BSG
> is a bad show, poorly written/acted/directed or anything like that. My
> problem with it is simply that it's not Battlestar Galactica. If you want
> to tell a story, go for it. I maintain though that if this had been
> called something else, it wouldn't have lost an iota of respect/positive
> criticism that it's fan have for it. Nor would there have been the split
> between the two fan groups, and in fact more of the old fans might have
> been willing to give a new Sci-Fi series a look. Water under the bridge
> now, but the next person thinking of dusting off an old series wanting to
> update it might want to think of a better way to build a fan base as
> opposed to doing something that divided it before the premiere even
> aired.
>
> Another thing to remember is that if the original didn't have such a
> diehard following and people writing to Universal requesting something
> new year in and year out, you'd have to wonder if the new version would
> have happened in the first place. I remember seeing Glen Larson on a show
> called Sci-Fi Vortex back in 1996/97, and he had mentioned a recent
> meeting at Universal where they told him about the high interest in
> Battlestar Galactica. Originally Bryan Singer was going to do the show
> for Fox, but delays forced him to drop out to direct X2, and only then
> did they take a different direction. That certainly helped upset the old
> fans who were under the impression that the original series was going to
> be continued. It would have been like us being told that Fox was going to
> do a sixth POTA film in the established storylines we all know, and then
> getting the Burton film. Again, not talking about the quality of the
> finished product, but rather the radical departure from the original.
>
> A bit more info here: http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Bryan_Singer
>
>
> Chris L.
> > Dress up your wardrobe with handsome new men's clothing. Click now!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2mGRmk6zquOfP0lyXOtDYiUqbOvqn0uguiRN9ExqI7pv2JA/
>

Do you mean this guy?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> No. What are you refering to?
>
> Well, it's not really a blooper, but you know what I'm talking about.
> Just as the scene in the bookstore ends, Lisa goes outside and pauses
> to look back at Caesar. In the background behind her is one of the
> gorilla extras just leaning against a wall, seemingly watching the
> scene being shot.
>
> -- Rory
>

Terry,

There are a lot of great groups and websites there with a lot of great resourses. Hunter's is probably the premier site on the web at the moment. But Alex also has a great site. Roger Alford's Forbidden Zone website is still very good. And of course the group website here and it's mirror site. All have huge resourses with very little overlap.

The one thing that is missing is a directory or database of all these resources. You could make your site into that database to make it easier for fans and even non-fans to find and access these resources.

Often we get members asking where they could find a script or scan of the lobby cards or comic or a video or something else. Your site can list of of these things with links to where they could be found. This would help unify the resources of all sites and groups in one place making your site the ultimate web catalog of all things POTA.

That is my suggestion. Let us know what you think.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
>
> 10 years ago I had one of the best POTA dedicated websites on the
> internet but overtime it "fell apart"
>
> I really feel that POTA deserves a nice Fan Club site
> I want it to be a great useful site for dedicated fans but more importantly to non-POTA fans
> to draw them in with a great variety of useful info on the series
> that will make them want to watch these classic movies etc.
>
> Hunter's site landed up being what I originally wanted mine to be 10 yrs ago
> He now definitely has the best site for POTA product for sure so no sense going that same route
> but I want something to lure new fans in
>
> I am still a bit short of time but it doesnt do us much good having a website empty and useless
>
> So if any fans would like to help participate in helping upgrade the website I'd appreciate any help or input
>
> I'm open to ideas from you all - thanks
> Lets give POTA the support it needs this year !
>
> PLANET OF THE APES FAN CLUB
> www.planetoftheapesfanclub.com
>

I have to agree with Dave here. Just speaking about this group, our membership is from the world over. Two of the moderators are from the UK. If there is an american slant it could be because POTA is a product of Hollywood and takes place in America.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, Mark? Hunter's downloads can
> be downloaded the world over? The message boards and websites simply
> reflect what is happening in the world of POTA. Thought's, opinions
> and discussion aren't bound by geographical borders?
>
> If you're referring to activities, the following site has a more, but
> not exclusive, British slant.
>
> http://forumoftheapes.yuku.com/
>
> Dave B
>

Very interesting Dave. Thanks for sharing.

I'm glad that they did not include the dinosaurs in the final film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.
>
> Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks like
> dinosaurs in the background!
>
> Dave B
>

You mean this one?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I'd like to see that Beneath lobby card Jeff1 The one with the bathrobe......
>
> There's also the "behind the scenes" lobby rom Battle where Roddy has a cigarette in his hand!
>
>
>
> > From: Jeff RedSpy13@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2009 3:22:06 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Bloopers
>
>
> There are plenty of "behind-the- scenes" photos, but very few that I
> would consider "blooper" photos. I have a lobby card from BENEATH in

Don't completely agree with that. When the Medicom figures came out they were available only in Japan. The Revolution comic was the product of a Canadian comic company. And the best POTA fanzine, Simian Scrolls, is produced in the UK.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "haydon.mark" <markhaydon3@...> wrote:
>
> I agree that it is universal , what i'm refering to is events.
> Like Sci-Fi conventions or even P.O.T.A,and even toy where possible
> P.O.T.A things can be purchased.
> Mark

Yes but both the Ziegfeld and the New Jersey theater are huge seating over 1,000 people each. Yet neither theater seemed empty when they showed POTA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "Yes I live in NYC but only 2 of the 3 showings of Planet were. The one
> that had the most people was the showing I went to with Jeff K. in New
> Jersey. It also had a better print than the Ziegfeld."
>
> Yes, so have you ever noticed, James, just how infested New York and
> New Jersey are with humans?
>
> -- Rory
>

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:07 AM, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

Breakfast is good.  Yeah.  I'd go for that. - Scott B --- On Mon, 2/9/09, haydon.mark <markhaydon3@...> wrote: From: haydon.mark <markhaydon3@...> Subject: [pota] Re: It's crunch time for Wondercon!! To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 9:12 AM I think what Scott B means is do you make a good breakfast?? Ha! Ha! Mark --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote: > > Can you cook too?! > - Scott B. > > --- On Sun, 2/8/09, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ ...> wrote: > > From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ ...> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's crunch time for Wondercon!! > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > Date: Sunday, February 8, 2009, 1:03 PM > > > > > > > > I couldn't find any shots of my other costumes.  That was many Halloweens ago, but I did find last year's: >   > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 4806.jpg >   > And the Nefertiti one from a few years ago: > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/2007hall oween019. jpg >   > Jessica > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 9:51 AM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com> wrote: > > > James, here is a front shot.  Kinda. >   > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/zira. jpg >   > Jessica. > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:53 AM, James <JamesA1102@ aol. com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Great work Jessica. Would love to see a pic of the front. > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ ...> wrote: > > > > > I worked all day to hand tie two strands of hair at a time for Zira's > > hairline. It was actually a human hair lace beard, but there was no way it > > could have been combed and blended into the main wig without the > > augmentation of the additional hair. Thanks very much to Tom Trubalcava's > > explanations, I was able to forge ahead. > > > > Here are some photos. > > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/zira008- 1.jpg > > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/zira007- 1.jpg > > > > The beard around her bottom jawline is just temporary. It will still need > > to be cut and trimmed. > > > > Jessica > > >

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:02 PM, <RedSpy13@...> wrote:

Greetings, everyone.  Attached is a photo from BENEATH showing General Ursus on horseback in the background, and a closeup of a gorilla soldier.  The soldier is wearing a hair ribbon in his  hair.

 

Jeff (RedSpy)

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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

Cool. Makes me wish I lived in LA. :o(

 

Have fun. For those attending.

Al

---

From: c_tuppie <c_tuppie@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 12:54:25 PM
Subject: [pota] Planet of the Apes-Themed Party and Movie Screening at Cinespace

Attention all Los Angeles are POTA fans:

You are cordially invited to a Planet of the Apes-Themed party and
movie screening in Hollywood, attended by General Ursus, Cornelius and
Dr. Zaius from Makeup & Monsters / Apemania.com! Here are the details:

Date: This Sunday, February 15th, 2009
Location: Cinespace
Address: 6356 Hollywood Blvd. (at Ivar) on the second floor
Time: 4:00 PM
RSVP with your name and # in your party to: partyoftheapes@ yahoo.com

Movie screening will begin promptly at 4:30 PM. Cinespace is being
transformed by an award-winning Hollywood production designer into a
fabulous ape-scape! Pose for pictures with apes in full authentic
makeup and costumes! Also, enter to win fabulous POTA raffle prizes
from 20th Century Fox!

Admission is free with RSVP! Otherwise, it's only $1 at the door!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone. Here is the requested photo from CONQUEST
that I
> consider a "blooper". Look at the two gorillas holding down
Governor Breck. The
> one on the left is wearing eyeglasses. Enjoy!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>
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>
>
> I have to agree with Dave here. Just speaking about this group, our
> membership is from the world over. Two of the moderators are from

> UK. If there is an american slant it could be because POTA is a

> of Hollywood and takes place in America.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, Mark? Hunter's downloads

> > be downloaded the world over? The message boards and websites

> > reflect what is happening in the world of POTA. Thought's,

> > and discussion aren't bound by geographical borders?
> >
> > If you're referring to activities, the following site has a more,

> > not exclusive, British slant.
> >
> > http://forumoftheapes.yuku.com/
> >
> > Dave B
> >
>

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM, haydon.mark <markhaydon3@...> wrote:

I have said i agree that its universal, what i was trying to say is
how pissed i get that we have no conventions or anything here in the
U.K.
Other than that i love our community speaking to people who enjoy my
first real love affair with the movies from the U.K , U.S and
Australia .
And another thing how the bloody hell did Alfie Moon get his hands on
the jail wagon from the film ????????
Mark

-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have to agree with Dave here. Just speaking about this group, our
> membership is from the world over. Two of the moderators are from
the
> UK. If there is an american slant it could be because POTA is a
product
> of Hollywood and takes place in America.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, Mark? Hunter's downloads
can
> > be downloaded the world over? The message boards and websites
simply
> > reflect what is happening in the world of POTA. Thought's,
opinions
> > and discussion aren't bound by geographical borders?
> >
> > If you're referring to activities, the following site has a more,
but
> > not exclusive, British slant.
> >
> > http://forumoftheapes.yuku.com/
> >
> > Dave B
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> There are many upcoming POTA-related events coming up in the UK.
>
> Jessica.
>
> On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:22 PM, haydon.mark <markhaydon3@...> wrote:
>
> > I have said i agree that its universal, what i was trying to
say is
> > how pissed i get that we have no conventions or anything here in
the
> > U.K.
> > Other than that i love our community speaking to people who enjoy
my
> > first real love affair with the movies from the U.K , U.S and
> > Australia .
> > And another thing how the bloody hell did Alfie Moon get his
hands on
> > the jail wagon from the film ????????
> > Mark
> >
> > -- In pota@yahoogroups.com <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, "James"
<JamesA1102@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > I have to agree with Dave here. Just speaking about this group,
our
> > > membership is from the world over. Two of the moderators are
from
> > the
> > > UK. If there is an american slant it could be because POTA is a
> > product
> > > of Hollywood and takes place in America.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com <pota%40yahoogroups.com>, "Dave B"
> > <smugster2000@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, Mark? Hunter's
downloads
> > can
> > > > be downloaded the world over? The message boards and websites
> > simply
> > > > reflect what is happening in the world of POTA. Thought's,
> > opinions
> > > > and discussion aren't bound by geographical borders?
> > > >
> > > > If you're referring to activities, the following site has a
more,
> > but
> > > > not exclusive, British slant.
> > > >
> > > > http://forumoftheapes.yuku.com/
> > > >
> > > > Dave B
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 12:15 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: It's crunch time for Wondercon!!

Jessica,

I think your success or failure as Zira will only in part depend upon how you look - looking authentic helps, no doubt about it, but a greater part of your success will be how you 'project' yourself. If YOU believe you are Zira, others will too, and they will love you for it.

I've been lucky enough to come face-to-face with 'Zira' and even though her wig was slipping she completely won me over. Her looks didn't come into it, what enchanted me was her manner and personality.

Much of your personality bleeds from between the lines of your posts and I believe you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Nerves can sometimes be a good thing, they keep you alert and on your toes, but otherwise just relax at Wondercon and enjoy yourself.

Dave B


--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ ...> wrote:
>
> Greetings everyone. I am patiently waiting for all of my orders to come in,
> and am busy doing mental gymnastics, trying to figure out how to
> successfully augment to the hairpieces I ordered for Zira's costume. At
> least I can start augmenting to the hair pieces, which may be a lot of work
> but well worth it in the end. My plan for this weekend is to complete the
> hair augmentation to the hairpieces I already have in-house, and to start
> assembling all of the materials and bits to the costume in one general area
> of my bedroom.
>
>
> Jessica.
>

----- Original Message -----

From: haydon.mark

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 2:22 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Need help from POTA fans to help design and upgrade the Fan Club Website

I have said i agree that its universal, what i was trying to say is
how pissed i get that we have no conventions or anything here in the
U.K.
Other than that i love our community speaking to people who enjoy my
first real love affair with the movies from the U.K , U.S and
Australia .
And another thing how the bloody hell did Alfie Moon get his hands on
the jail wagon from the film ????????
Mark
-- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "James" <JamesA1102@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> I have to agree with Dave here. Just speaking about this group, our
> membership is from the world over. Two of the moderators are from
the
> UK. If there is an american slant it could be because POTA is a
product
> of Hollywood and takes place in America.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@ > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I'm not 100% sure what you mean by that, Mark? Hunter's downloads
can
> > be downloaded the world over? The message boards and websites
simply
> > reflect what is happening in the world of POTA. Thought's,
opinions
> > and discussion aren't bound by geographical borders?
> >
> > If you're referring to activities, the following site has a more,
but
> > not exclusive, British slant.
> >
> > http://forumoftheap es.yuku.com/
> >
> > Dave B
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: c_tuppie

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 9:54 AM

Subject: [pota] Planet of the Apes-Themed Party and Movie Screening at Cinespace

Attention all Los Angeles are POTA fans:

You are cordially invited to a Planet of the Apes-Themed party and
movie screening in Hollywood, attended by General Ursus, Cornelius and
Dr. Zaius from Makeup & Monsters / Apemania.com! Here are the details:

Date: This Sunday, February 15th, 2009
Location: Cinespace
Address: 6356 Hollywood Blvd. (at Ivar) on the second floor
Time: 4:00 PM
RSVP with your name and # in your party to: partyoftheapes@ yahoo.com

Movie screening will begin promptly at 4:30 PM. Cinespace is being
transformed by an award-winning Hollywood production designer into a
fabulous ape-scape! Pose for pictures with apes in full authentic
makeup and costumes! Also, enter to win fabulous POTA raffle prizes
from 20th Century Fox!

Admission is free with RSVP! Otherwise, it's only $1 at the door!

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota

Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.

Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks like
dinosaurs in the background!

Dave B

> *Greetings, everyone. Attached is the requested lobby card from
> BENEATH with the included "blooper". Look closely at the humans in
> the cage in the background. The one on the far left is wearing a
> bathrobe. Enjoy!*
> **
> *Jeff ( RedSpy )*
>
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>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Is that from the Stan Winston book? I think he was on it during
the Oliver Stone era when it was set in ancient Africa.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave B
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:38 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
>
>
> Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.
>
> Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks like
> dinosaurs in the background!
>
> Dave B
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota

Hey Jeff,

I 'lifted' it off a blog but I believe you are right, it is featured
in the Winston book.

Wasn't Winston involved during the Cameron/Columbus stage?

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Is that from the Stan Winston book? I think he was on it during
the Oliver Stone era when it was set in ancient Africa.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave B
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:38 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
>
>
> Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.
>
> Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks like
> dinosaurs in the background!
>
> Dave B
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Bloopers

There are plenty of "behind-the- scenes" photos, but very few that I
would consider "blooper" photos. I have a lobby card from BENEATH in
which one of the caged humans in the background is wearing a bathrobe
in the cage; a CONQUEST photo in which a gorilla is wearing eyeglasses;
and another BENEATH photo in which a gorilla is wearing a hair ribbon.
I would consider the first two as "bloopers", and the third as probably
a "behind-the- scenes" shot.

Jeff (RedSpy)

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff" <skintricks@ ...> wrote:
>
> After all these years, and all behind the scenes photos, and
everything looked at under scrutiny...why don't we EVER get to see
bloopers and/or outtakes? I've seen bloopers from 1930s and 40s
movies, so I know they were doing that back then. Why no apes? No TV
bloopers. No sequels? WHY???????
>

> Anyway, if any of you have Sirius, today they are doing Goldsmith
> scores to Science Fiction films. Sure to be APES represented.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I've seen a picture with Aldo holding a coffee cup. It might have
been in Joe's book, or the "Battle" "newspaper".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:22 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Bloopers
>
>
> There are plenty of "behind-the-scenes" photos, but very few that
I
> would consider "blooper" photos. I have a lobby card from BENEATH
in
> which one of the caged humans in the background is wearing a
bathrobe
> in the cage; a CONQUEST photo in which a gorilla is wearing
eyeglasses;
> and another BENEATH photo in which a gorilla is wearing a hair
ribbon.
> I would consider the first two as "bloopers", and the third as
probably
> a "behind-the-scenes" shot.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@> wrote:
> >
> > After all these years, and all behind the scenes photos, and
> everything looked at under scrutiny...why don't we EVER get to
see
> bloopers and/or outtakes? I've seen bloopers from 1930s and 40s
> movies, so I know they were doing that back then. Why no apes? No
TV
> bloopers. No sequels? WHY???????
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Jeff K.

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:42 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: Stan Winston

  Yeah. Oliver Stone's people wanted Rick Baker in the beginning but eventually Arnold Schwarzenegger got involved. He, James Cameron and Stan Winston were real tight so as long as Arnold was involved, Winston was the man. Arnold was on it forever, from Stone, Columbus, and Cameron told me Arnold and Winston were the reason he got involved. By the time Cameron left Arnold's box office was mud so Fox wasn't as eager to have him in it. Tim Burton brought back Rick Baker.

  I don't know when that art was done but Stone's was the only version set in the past (until Burton's, kinda) and that's when Winston started, so that's my assumption. He did his makeup test during the Columbus era. Pictures of that also in the book. It's a pretty cool book, also a picture of him from the POTA TV show.

  He really wanted to do POTA and was disappointed it went to Baker. He used to dress up his son for Halloween as POTA. It's a touchstone for makeup artists.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dave B

To: pota@yahoogroups. com

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota

Hey Jeff,

I 'lifted' it off a blog but I believe you are right, it is featured
in the Winston book.

Wasn't Winston involved during the Cameron/Columbus stage?

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Is that from the Stan Winston book? I think he was on it during
the Oliver Stone era when it was set in ancient Africa.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave B
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:38 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
>
>
> Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.
>
> Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks like
> dinosaurs in the background!
>
> Dave B
>

----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:04 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's crunch time for Wondercon!!

 

I remember reading about cutting a few strands of

crepe hair and using the edge of the scissors to

spirit gum them at the edge of the hairline, pulling

out the excess hair, combing the rest in, and working

all the way around the face.  That must be one of the

most time consuming parts.  That and stippling the

edges.  Not something I'd bother with for Halloween

 

 

In a message dated 2/8/2009 12:12:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@aol. com writes:

I wonder if Jessica will get into gluing the individual hairs along the
edges of the face, or use makeup shading to disguise the "rubber."?

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

 

That's the problem with using beards.

The hair is too coarse.  I've tried just

about everything.  Nothing is going to

even come close to professional hair

goods.  But if you come up with an

alternative please post it.  I wish I

could.  I've mixed in wigs and even

my own hair.  It takes a pro.  And

if you read the article on Hunter's

site, John Chambers asks, "Who

made these wigs?"  When the wig

maker answers he replies, "These

are the best wigs I've ever seen!"

 

 

In a message dated 2/8/2009 3:28:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

It was actually a human hair lace beard, but there was no way it could have been combed and blended into the main wig without the augmentation of the additional hair. 

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 8:22 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Well what do you think of the upside down human hair beard that I augmented with a LOT of fake hair?  I first combed out the hair product that the beard came with.  I then ironed out the coarseness of the hair, made it as smooth as possible.  I put a large curl on it with a hot curler....and then proceeded to augment the lace with fake dark brown hair two strands at a time, until you could not see the beard anymore.  The human hair beard is just there for "volume & body".  It took bloody forever, but you can't tell that it's a beard.  That's the part that goes on Zira's forehead...an upside down human hair lace beard augmented with fake hair.  Can you tell that it's a beard?

 

Jessica.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:53 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

 

That's the problem with using beards.

The hair is too coarse.  I've tried just

about everything.  Nothing is going to

even come close to professional hair

goods.  But if you come up with an

alternative please post it.  I wish I

could.  I've mixed in wigs and even

my own hair.  It takes a pro.  And

if you read the article on Hunter's

site, John Chambers asks, "Who

made these wigs?"  When the wig

maker answers he replies, "These

are the best wigs I've ever seen!"

 

 

In a message dated 2/8/2009 3:28:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

It was actually a human hair lace beard, but there was no way it could have been combed and blended into the main wig without the augmentation of the additional hair. 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Tim "apefan"

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:26 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: female apes

HArd to say...she's mighty cute, though!!!

---

From: "LordTZer0@AOL. com" <LordTZer0@AOL. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: female apes

 

Not really.  It has been posed that it was Lisa.

Wether it is or not I recall someone saying

Natalie Trundy played the part, though it does

look like a different makeup to me, it may be.

 

 

In a message dated 2/7/2009 3:45:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@aol. com writes:

Interesting. They posted a pic of the female chimp in the breeding center as Lisa.

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>>It's too bad that there aren't any old U-matic tapes of that

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> Nearly EVERY make up artist wants to do POTA, but Rick is THE ape
man. Not just POTA, but apes of all kind; fictional and real. And
I'm not talking just making them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff K.
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:42 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Stan Winston
>
>
>
> Yeah. Oliver Stone's people wanted Rick Baker in the beginning
but eventually Arnold Schwarzenegger got involved. He, James Cameron
and Stan Winston were real tight so as long as Arnold was involved,
Winston was the man. Arnold was on it forever, from Stone, Columbus,
and Cameron told me Arnold and Winston were the reason he got
involved. By the time Cameron left Arnold's box office was mud so Fox
wasn't as eager to have him in it. Tim Burton brought back Rick Baker.
> I don't know when that art was done but Stone's was the only
version set in the past (until Burton's, kinda) and that's when
Winston started, so that's my assumption. He did his makeup test
during the Columbus era. Pictures of that also in the book. It's a
pretty cool book, also a picture of him from the POTA TV show.
> He really wanted to do POTA and was disappointed it went to
Baker. He used to dress up his son for Halloween as POTA. It's a
touchstone for makeup artists.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave B
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
>
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> I 'lifted' it off a blog but I believe you are right, it is
featured
> in the Winston book.
>
> Wasn't Winston involved during the Cameron/Columbus stage?
>
> Dave
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Is that from the Stan Winston book? I think he was on it
during
> the Oliver Stone era when it was set in ancient Africa.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave B
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:38 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
> >
> >
> > Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.
> >
> > Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks
like
> > dinosaurs in the background!
> >
> > Dave B
> >
>

>
> Does anyone remember Tarzan legand of Greystoke , all i remember is
> when this came out they looked so real ( who was responsible ? ).

> version set in the past.

----- Original Message -----

From: haydon.mark

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:32 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Stan Winston

There was also someone who made great steps in the special effects
department in the way gorilla's looked .
Does anyone remember Tarzan legand of Greystoke , all i remember is
when this came out they looked so real ( who was responsible ? ).
Mark
--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff" <skintricks@ ...> wrote:
>
> Nearly EVERY make up artist wants to do POTA, but Rick is THE ape
man. Not just POTA, but apes of all kind; fictional and real. And
I'm not talking just making them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jeff K.
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:42 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Stan Winston
>
>
>
> Yeah. Oliver Stone's people wanted Rick Baker in the beginning
but eventually Arnold Schwarzenegger got involved. He, James Cameron
and Stan Winston were real tight so as long as Arnold was involved,
Winston was the man. Arnold was on it forever, from Stone, Columbus,
and Cameron told me Arnold and Winston were the reason he got
involved. By the time Cameron left Arnold's box office was mud so Fox
wasn't as eager to have him in it. Tim Burton brought back Rick Baker.
> I don't know when that art was done but Stone's was the only
version set in the past (until Burton's, kinda) and that's when
Winston started, so that's my assumption. He did his makeup test
during the Columbus era. Pictures of that also in the book. It's a
pretty cool book, also a picture of him from the POTA TV show.
> He really wanted to do POTA and was disappointed it went to
Baker. He used to dress up his son for Halloween as POTA. It's a
touchstone for makeup artists.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave B
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:38 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
>
>
> Hey Jeff,
>
> I 'lifted' it off a blog but I believe you are right, it is
featured
> in the Winston book.
>
> Wasn't Winston involved during the Cameron/Columbus stage?
>
> Dave
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Is that from the Stan Winston book? I think he was on it
during
> the Oliver Stone era when it was set in ancient Africa.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dave B
> > To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:38 AM
> > Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
> >
> >
> > Some early concept art for what would be the Burton remake.
> >
> > Note the Apes are more Samurai in appearance and what looks
like
> > dinosaurs in the background!
> >
> > Dave B
> >
>