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Group: pota Message: 51978 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
Group: pota Message: 51979 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: David Watson - Beneath's Cornelius
Group: pota Message: 51980 From: Mark Taylor Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: New Music
Group: pota Message: 51981 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
Group: pota Message: 51982 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51983 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Early Drafts
Group: pota Message: 51984 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
Group: pota Message: 51985 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51986 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
Group: pota Message: 51987 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51988 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
Group: pota Message: 51989 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51990 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 51991 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Bloopers
Group: pota Message: 51992 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: U-matic tape OT
Group: pota Message: 51993 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Conquest on Fox Movie Channel
Group: pota Message: 51994 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Valentine
Group: pota Message: 51995 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51996 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51997 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51998 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 51999 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52000 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Conquest on Fox Movie Channel
Group: pota Message: 52001 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52002 From: Rich Handley Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4405
Group: pota Message: 52003 From: James Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes
Group: pota Message: 52004 From: James Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52005 From: James Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: Digest Number 4405
Group: pota Message: 52006 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/3/2009
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52007 From: Dave B Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Kit bashing
Group: pota Message: 52008 From: James Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52009 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Kit bashing
Group: pota Message: 52010 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes
Group: pota Message: 52011 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52012 From: haydon.mark Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Kit bashing
Group: pota Message: 52013 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Re: Kit bashing
Group: pota Message: 52014 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/4/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 52015 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 52016 From: James Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52017 From: James Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 52018 From: Dave B Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 52019 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/5/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52020 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: The Illustrated Monkey Planet
Group: pota Message: 52021 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes
Group: pota Message: 52022 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52023 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52024 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52025 From: scott bosco Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52026 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52027 From: goapebilly@aol.com Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52028 From: rusty owens Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52029 From: goapebilly@aol.com Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52030 From: Scott Raile Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52031 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52032 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: is this from the 70's?
Group: pota Message: 52033 From: scott bosco Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52034 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/6/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 52035 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: is this from the 70's?
Group: pota Message: 52036 From: grotowski666 Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: SciFi Now Mag. Top 100 sci fi moments APES No1 !!!!
Group: pota Message: 52037 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52038 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52039 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
Group: pota Message: 52040 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52041 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: SciFi Now Mag. Top 100 sci fi moments APES No1 !!!!
Group: pota Message: 52042 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: POTA onscreen in Rio Rancho, New Mexico
Group: pota Message: 52043 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52044 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Re: SciFi Now Mag. Top 100 sci fi moments APES No1 !!!!
Group: pota Message: 52045 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/7/2009
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 52046 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52047 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52048 From: Dave B Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52049 From: James Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52050 From: Dave B Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52051 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52052 From: rassmguy Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52053 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52054 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: OT- watching the Watchmen
Group: pota Message: 52055 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Apes sights and sounds
Group: pota Message: 52056 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: APES sequels Radio Spots
Group: pota Message: 52057 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 52058 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Re: Dr. Zaius - meet Dr. Mego
Group: pota Message: 52059 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
Subject: Kenner Empty Box promo (was: P.O.T.A V's STAR WARS)
Group: pota Message: 52060 From: Dave B Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to pota
Group: pota Message: 52061 From: Dave B Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52062 From: Dave B Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT- watching the Watchmen
Group: pota Message: 52063 From: shanter2002 Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52064 From: shanter2002 Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: New Movie?
Group: pota Message: 52065 From: James Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Movie?
Group: pota Message: 52066 From: DoktorZira@aol.com Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52067 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
Group: pota Message: 52068 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Peter Chernin leaving Fox
Group: pota Message: 52069 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Music
Group: pota Message: 52070 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 3/9/2009
Subject: Re: New Music
Group: pota Message: 52071 From: Dave B Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Let the revolution begin
Group: pota Message: 52072 From: mezira09 Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: A Possible Prequel in the Works???
Group: pota Message: 52073 From: James Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 52074 From: shanter2002 Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: New Movie?
Group: pota Message: 52075 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
Group: pota Message: 52076 From: Todd Mount Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: Kenner Empty Box promo (was: P.O.T.A V's STAR WARS)
Group: pota Message: 52077 From: Dave B Date: 3/10/2009
Subject: Re: New Movie?



Group: pota Message: 51978 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
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I never had a problem with DTS suround sound on any bluray movie (through my suround sound receiver system).
Planet's audio just wasn't done right in my opinion. Although I've never heard it through my Sony LCD TV before.
Maybe it'll sound better through there.
 
But bottom line, if Beneath sounds great and Planet doesn't, then no doubt it's the bluray movie and not the suround sound receiver system.
 
Al


From: "Haristas@aol..com" <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 5:35:28 PM
Subject: [pota] Blu-ray PLANET audio

I need to do some revising of my impressions of the audio on the
Blu-ray DVD for PLANET. Up until a few days ago I'd been listening to
it in surround, but from a processor that was made before the
introduction of DTS HD. So, even though the processor could decode
DTS, I wasn't sure it was doing what it should, especially since I was
hearing a soundtrack for PLANET that was basically mono. This wasn't
the case with the sequel Blu-rays.

But I recently bought a new Panasonic plasma TV and it must have the
circuitry to properly decode DTS HD from Blu-ray, because hooked up
through the HDMI cable from the Blu-ray disc player, I'm hearing great
stereo sound from PLANET -- and this is just from the speakers on the
plasma.

I realize now that I'm going to have to get a new A/V receiver that has
the DTS and Dolby Digital True HD logos on it to listen to these discs
properly, however they sound so great just through my plasma I'm not in
any rush to spend more money.

Alex, I'm wondering now if your audio equipment is made to properly
decode DTS and DD True HD Master Audio? Because you also thought the
stereo surround on PLANET wasn't as good as that for the sequel Blu-ray
discs. What the story is with the sequel discs I don't know.

-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 51979 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: David Watson - Beneath's Cornelius
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Comes in your choice of Mendez, Caspay, Albina, Fat Man, or Negro. And if you order in the next ten minutes, we'll include a flashlight keychain absolutely FREE!!
 
BTW, did you know that those things are actually a HUGE seller? Over four million sold since last October.
 
All you need us a useful gimmick.
 
 
Chris L.
 
 
 
"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
 
>>No but I'm thinking of ordering the Snuggy. It looks like the
Mutant
robes. LOL <<
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Group: pota Message: 51980 From: Mark Taylor Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: New Music
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Woah, that cover brings backs some memories. I recall getting that LP
as a birthday present. I was very confused as to why "Apes Shuffle"
didn't sound like anything I recognized from the TV series.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> Greetings, everyone. I found an album from 1975 at a flea market
which
> features music from my two favorite franchises: Apes & Trek.
Everyone, their
> brothers, and their second cousins were doing quickie albums of TV
themes back
> in the seventies, but this is the first time I've seen one with
music based
> on the Apes TV series (besides the original Schifrin score, of
course). I
> thought it was pretty interesting, so I thought I would share the
covers with
> you all. Enjoy!
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
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Group: pota Message: 51981 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
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OK, well, as I said, I don't currently have a 5.1 setup that I know is
properly decoding the DTS HD Master Audio, so I'll have to take your
word that it sucks, but what I was listening to this afternoon didn't
sound too bad to me -- but again it was only two channel stereo (with
those "virtual surround" processing settings added).

I agree that the Dolby Digital 5.1 that's on the 35th Anniversary DVD
was OK but could have been improved. The way Fox used to do their
4-track stereo surrounds in the '50s and '60s was that you had three
front channels (Left, Center, Right) and a mono surround channel. The
front channel "sound stage" was very dynamic in that they would "pot
pan" the sound effects and dialogue -- that being that if an object
creating noise, such as a horse drawn wagon, or a person talking, moved
across the screen from left to right, the sound effect or dialogue
would also move in the same direction. You can hear this on many Fox
DVDs of old Cinemascope and Panavision movies where the original 4 or
6-track masters have survived. You'll also notice on most of those old
soundtracks that except for the music, the surround tracks were used
VERY sparingly, not at all like the aggressive mixes we have today --
which aren't always a good thing.

One thing that bugged me about the stereo surround remix that Fox did
for the 35th Anniversary DVD was that they didn't "pot pan"
the
dialogue. I was hoping this would be rectified with the Blu-ray, but I
guess not. I was also hoping some of the sound effects -- such as the
wind you hear in the scene where the escape party met up with Cornelius
at the cornfield -- would be put into the rear surrounds too, and that
Goldsmith's score would be given more surround presence in the rears as
well (such as you get when you listen to the CD in stereo surround),
but I guess not. Why Fox doesn't do what it should is probably a
matter of them simply not waiting to go to the expense.

By the way, you don't have to listen to the French 5.1 on the Blu-ray
to hear what we're talking about, just go back and listen to the
English tracks of the 35th Anniversary edition audio.

-- Rory

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From: scott bosco <digitalcinema@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Blu-ray PLANET audio



Rory,
The sound for PLANET sucks. It's botched, plain and simple. I have a
new decoder, and Integra and it sound terrible. FOX screwed up and
used the wrong mix on the English soundtrack. Just listen to the
French in 5.1. The mix is completely different, and better. There is
more steering amongst the front 3 channels, and even surround. There
is no surround to speak of in the English mix. It's terrible. The
French mix
is more akin to sound the way it was mix in the 60's. The
original 4-track mix of PLANET was long lost by FOX. The new 5.1 is
re-worked mono. No company would actually go back to the original
stems of separate dialog, music and sound effects and make such a
boring 5.1 mix. FOX must have simply put it through a "box" that
spread out the soundtrack - which is why it is terrible. This has
become a common practice among the studios as with UNIVERSAL with
XANADU,
FLASH GORDON and even PARAMOUNT with STAR TREK II AND III. There's a
nasty frame of mind that is about causing original Dolby Surround (2.0)
mixes are good enough so they are pumping the sound into a fake
spreader that confirms it to 5.1, but in a fake way.
What you are hearing is better than 5.1 because it's negated to only 2
channels. Just listen to the French and you'll hear a bigger
difference. I don't know why FOX just didn't overlay the music and
effect track from the French mix to the English one - unless someone
just screwed up. ...which wouldn't surprise me.
- Scott

--- On Sun, 3/1/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
Subject: [pota] Blu-ray PLANET audio
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 5:35 PM




I need to do some revising of my impressions of the audio on the
Blu-ray DVD for PLANET. Up unti
l a few days ago I'd been listening to
it in surround, but from a processor that was made before the
introduction of DTS HD. So, even though the processor could decode
DTS, I wasn't sure it was doing what it should, especially since I was
hearing a soundtrack for PLANET that was basically mono. This wasn't
the case with the sequel Blu-rays.

But I recently bought a new Panasonic plasma TV and it must have the
circuitry to properly decode DTS HD from Blu-ray, because hooked up
through the HDMI cable from the Blu-ray disc player, I'm hearing great
stereo sound from PLANET -- and this is just from the speakers on the
plasma.

I realize now that I'm going to have to get a new A/V receiver that has
the DTS and Dolby Digital True HD logos on it to listen to these discs
properly, however they sound so
great just through my plasma I'm not in
any rush to spend more money.

Alex, I'm wondering now if your audio equipment is made to properly
decode DTS and DD True HD Master Audio? Because you also thought the
stereo surround on PLANET wasn't as good as that for the sequel Blu-ray
discs. What the story is with the sequel discs I don't know.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 51982 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009
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check this out Jessica!

"Best costume prob goes to either the Batman and Catwoman duo, or the woman in the Planet of the Apes with FX makeup, hair and costume. I did a double-take when I saw her. She looked so unassuming walking the show. If I didn't know better I'd say she walked off a tv/movie set."

Here's the whole blog:


From: "PofTAfan@..." <PofTAfan@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:24:49 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

You look great Jessica! I met Don Pedro Colley at San Diego Comic-con about 2 years ago
and he is a nice person, and congrats on being mentioned as a honorable mention at the
costume contest.


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From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@yahoo. com>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 3:59 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

You look fantastic Jessica! Good to see Apes and Mutants getting along!


From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups. com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Wondercon 2009

I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!
I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a big hug and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
Jess.


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Group: pota Message: 51983 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Early Drafts
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On the other hand some of Dehn's ideas border on amateurish
like a fan fic.  For example the idea that Ursus would use a
talking human as a spy, let alone that Zira would consider
that as a possibility. I realize it's an early draft, but the
dialogue is pretty weak.  I'm not a huge Beneath fan,
though I think there were some good ideas there.  I
for one am glad some of this stuff didn't make the
final cut.  I wish we could see the rest of it though.
 
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2009 5:14:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
I think it was Ted Post who said that Mort had some of the worst most hackneyed ideas he had ever heard.


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Group: pota Message: 51984 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
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I'm amazed by any and all sound in movies period.
When you think that it's an optical system and
not magnetic at all -- because the ferrous oxide
used on magnetic tape would come off from
the film going though the sprockets, so a
light to an electric eye reads a transparent
squiggle at the side of the film -- it really
was the CD laser of it's day.  Amazing.
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2009 10:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
. You can hear this on many Fox
DVDs of old Cinemascope and Panavision movies where the original 4 or
6-track masters have survived.


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Group: pota Message: 51985 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/1/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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Fantastic job Jess!  The write up of you
was also high praise indeed.  Could have
used a bit more hair at the cheeks, but
another time -- if you're up for it.  Did
you sweat much?  Hydration is key.
Was it hot outside?  Did you makeup
at the hotel?  Get many double takes?
Those Star Wars guys can take their
helmets off.  I think that's one reason
you don't see a lot of full makeups
at Cons. Takes a lot if grit to do it.
 
 
In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me.  It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything.  Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM.  Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son.  I'm sooo tired..  I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm.  I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though! 
 
I met Don Pedro Colley.  He was such a nice person.  I gave him a big hug and didn't want to let go.  He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow. 
 
 
Jess.



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Group: pota Message: 51986 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
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"I'm amazed by any and all sound in movies period.
When you think that it's an optical system and
not magnetic at all -- because the ferrous oxide
used on magnetic tape would come off from
the film going though the sprockets, so a
light to an electric eye reads a transparent
squiggle at the side of the film -- it really
was the CD laser of it's day. Amazing."

Actually the audio for the films from the early fifties on was recorded
on magnetic tape, I believe 35mm magnetic tape, as were the scores.

When a movie was released in 4 or 6-track audio it was also very narrow
magnetic tape strips glued to the film. Now, mono films had optical
tracks, yes.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 51987 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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Still suffering from the effects of Wondercon. I've succumbed to the cold my kids have been harboring the week before. If I had a cold I would not have been able to wear the appliance. My great downfall to the costume was rushing the makeup. The hair came out like crap. I should have used a photo for reference, which would have given me a better hairline. I hate that!!! I used the outline of the appliance for a guide, but now I know better. Next time I will do better. Live and learn, I suppose.
Next time I'll go by myself so that I get there when I'm good and ready, not try to meet a deadline. I'm definitely going back next year, hopefully with a better sleeve material that I will re-weave as soon as I find the right yarn. And I won't have to worry about entering the contest. I just entered for the hell of it, not really expecting anything..but a lot of people kept telling me I should win and that I had the best makeup on. I beg to differ. My hair just sucked!!
I didn't really sweat that much even with all the bodies there. It was warm, but I wasn't sweating profusely. I should have had more water to drink...I just did not want to travel with much, and whatever I dragged around all day gave me such a shoulder ache! Two bottles of 16oz shakes which were my food for the day...I drank the last one when I first sat down and never wanted to get up. I wasn't hungry but I was tired of dragging it around. So I lightened my load a bit by drinking it. I didn't want to get up anymore, but a lot of people still came up for photos. I couldn't really do anything without people photographing me.
I avoided eating because I did not want to have to touch up my teeth in case I accidentally "missed" while making a correction. I just didn't trust myself because even when looking in a mirror I still "missed" the straw. When I took a drink, I made sure to go in slow motion and went with memory to aim well. I was also a bit devastated to find out I didn't bring any extra straws, especially when I was so thirsty back stage. So...I went for it and took a sip from a cup and I was ok. I was surprised I was able to do it. I was just going to skip drinking anything.
I glued ears on, too, and that made it super difficult to hear the voice on the other end of the cell phone. I could barely talk on the phone, having so much difficulty hearing my conversation of exactly where my girlfriend was (we got separated)...and the din of the crowd...and everyone kept asking for photos.
I could have killed my girlfriend, too...she was helping me glue down bits of my hair...bloody cell phone made it more messed up...and she spilled glue down the front of my green outfit. I told her not to worry--it would dry clear. It did but there's a LONG accident of dried up glue all the way down the front. The family with a baby next to us did not have any baby wipes. What the hell? You come to a convention with a baby and no baby wipes? Grrr....Luckily we were near a curtain and I used that to wipe off whatever glue I could. The bathroom was MILES away!!! There's a long dark stain now...but I can easily replace that panel. My heart just sank because I had asked for the judges to review the craftsmanship of the costume beforehand.
Don Pedro Colley was the most huggable sweety pie. He was very very loveable and very friendly. He said he remembers the apes very well. He was telling my girlfriend that he could feel me shaking when I gave him a hug. I was so excited I could have cried...but made myself stop because how the heck was I going to blow my nose? We did not talk much about the movie...we talked about the economy and also what other celebrities charged for photos or autographs. In retrospect I should have asked him about the makeup process he had to undergo, what he remembered the most from being in the movie. Grrr...I did not expect him to be there either.
There were a lot of makeup people there, they introduced themselves to me as such when they came up almost to my eyeballs looking for where my skin ended and began. They were really in my face!! I think there were three or four who came in for close inspection. I passed. And luckily, nobody came up to poke my face. It was a zoo, definitely.
Jess.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Fantastic job Jess! The write up of you
was also high praise indeed. Could have
used a bit more hair at the cheeks, but
another time -- if you're up for it. Did
you sweat much? Hydration is key.
Was it hot outside? Did you makeup
at the hotel? Get many double takes?
Those Star Wars guys can take their
helmets off. I think that's one reason
you don't see a lot of full makeups
at Cons. Takes a lot if grit to do it.
In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired.. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!
I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a big hug and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.



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Group: pota Message: 51988 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Blu-ray PLANET audio
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Just the fact that the Movietone system was perfected in 1925
and that any modern theater can still play any film from that
era without any modification blows me away. Just the fact
that it's lasted this long shows what a good system it was.
Promoting it was one of the things Fox actually got right.
 
 
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Actually the audio for the films from the early fifties on was recorded
on magnetic tape, I believe 35mm magnetic tape, as were the scores.


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Group: pota Message: 51989 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/2/2009
Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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    Jess, those were awesome pictures.  I enjoyed them.  And it was great to see you with Don Pedro Colley!  Again, thanks so much for sharing them with your Apester friends.
     
    Zach   
     
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    Date: 03/01/09 17:01:21
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
     

    Jess,
    You look so cute.  I can see you "in there" just peeking out.  Great job!
    What a great pic of you hugging Don Pedro Colley!  He really looks like you hugging the stuffin out of him.  Great memory.
    Hope to see more pics.
    Thanks for sharing.
    - Scott B.

    --- On Sun, 3/1/09, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com> wrote:
    From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>
    Subject: [pota] Wondercon 2009
    To: "POTA" <pota@yahoogroups. com>, PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
    Date: Sunday, March 1, 2009, 2:14 PM

    I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me.  It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything.  Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM.  Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son.  I'm sooo tired.  I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm.  I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though! 
     
    I met Don Pedro Colley.  He was such a nice person.  I gave him a big hug and didn't want to let go.  He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow. 
     
     
    Jess.

     
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    Group: pota Message: 51990 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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    FYI

     

    Google Blogs Alert for: "planet of the apes"

    Texas Oasis: March roars in
    By Blueberry
    This is the video we got for a buck: Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes (2001) starring Mark Wahlberg, Tim Roth, Helena Bonham Carter and a cameo by Charlton Heston (uncredited) as Dr. Zaius. OK, I had drawn a near-blank on this one and ...
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    Entropical Paradise: End Of Days
    By cavenoid
    I was worried way back in 1970 when I saw Charlton Heston fall down on the ignition switch for the Doomsday Bomb in "Beneath The Planet Of The Apes." That one even gave me a date to anticipate: 3955. That's when the Alpha Omega device ....
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    Bitzer.org » Bo’s birthday weekend
    By becca
    He loves to stay in so we’re staying in and having fabulous food and just kickin back this weekend. The kids got him the Planet of the Apes collectors series. Bo used to watch the Apes when he was a kids with his Dad so it’s a pretty ...
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    Group: pota Message: 51991 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: Bloopers
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    The blooper is that some think that is supposed to be Lisa.

    Even the wikipedia entry for Lisa had that mistake. When it was corrected a few months ago, one person actually objected. Read the discussion page on that entry, it is hysterical.


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
    >
    > What's the blooper with 'capes3a'?
    >
    > Chris L.
    >
    >
    >
    > "James" JamesA1102@... wrote:
    >
    > >>All these pics have been uploaded to the group's Photos section:
    > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew
    > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew>
    >
    > Thanks to Tim and Jeff for sharing. <<
    > > Financial aid not enough? Click here for information on funding your education.
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    Group: pota Message: 51992 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: U-matic tape OT
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    That's why it never made sense to me. In Conquest they use a micro-cassette which is futuristic technology (at least in 1972).
    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
    >
    > That was probably just a cue from the script, however whoever set up the
    > archive section could have decided on Reel-to Reel because they don't
    > take up as much space as a U-matic tape.
    >
    > And isn't the cassette in Conquest a microcassette that has video images?
    > Seems to me that would have been seen as futuristic as that technology
    > wasn't available back in 1972.
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    Group: pota Message: 51993 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: Conquest on Fox Movie Channel
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    Breck was one of the better characters in the series. It is too bad that Don Murray wouldn't come back to do Battle.


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
    >
    > One thing I neglected to mention when I was writing my lengthy posts
    > about the Thanksgiving weekend marathon (and the CONQUEST director's cut
    > in particular) was that I loved how Breck didn't cower at the end when he
    > was staring up at the gorillas with their rifles upraised. His facial
    > expression said "Go ahead. Do it.". Almost challenging them in a way to
    > go through with it.
    >
    > A true antagonist, right until the end.
    >
    >
    > Chris L.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Lynne Miller" cosmicraye1998@... wrote:
    >
    > >>Just thought I jot a note after seeing CONQUEST today. I feel like a
    > POTA newbie...I have never seen the uncut version or the ending that
    > didn't have the..'But now..' added onto it, or the
    > killing..ahem ..smearing of Break! Awesome!! <<
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    Group: pota Message: 51994 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: Valentine
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    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Valentines/


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
    >
    > Link please...
    >
    > Chris L.
    >
    >
    >
    > "Tim "apefan"" apefan23@... wrote:
    >
    > >>Found this at the Hallmark store.....
    > When you open it it plays Goldsmith music.....
    >
    > the quote is inside but the pic of Icarus is from the back! <<
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    Group: pota Message: 51995 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Wondercon 2009
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    Someone had videotaped me wondering what type of human I was looking for. I told them I didn't date outside of my species.
    They asked where Cornelius was, too...and I said he was home baby sitting.

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 4:22 AM, nlmoxham <neilmoxham@...> wrote:

    Top marks Jess, everything looked great. I hope you used that pencil
    and notepad after all! Did you meet many Apes fans there? Also, was
    there any video footage taken?

    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
    wrote:
    >


    > I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken
    of me.
    > It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
    > everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now,
    and a b-day
    > party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed
    puttingon the
    > makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable
    mention at
    > the costume contest, though!
    >
    > I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a
    big hug
    > and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
    >
    >
    http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5844.jp
    g
    >
    http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5834.jp
    g
    >
    http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5835.jp
    g
    >
    > Jess.
    >


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    Group: pota Message: 51996 From: James Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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    That is great Jessica. Thanks for the report.

    Now go to bed and take care of yourself.


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
    >
    > Still suffering from the effects of Wondercon. I've succumbed to the cold
    > my kids have been harboring the week before. If I had a cold I would not
    > have been able to wear the appliance. My great downfall to the costume was
    > rushing the makeup. The hair came out like crap. I should have used a
    > photo for reference, which would have given me a better hairline. I hate
    > that!!! I used the outline of the appliance for a guide, but now I know
    > better. Next time I will do better. Live and learn, I suppose.
    >
    > Next time I'll go by myself so that I get there when I'm good and ready, not
    > try to meet a deadline. I'm definitely going back next year, hopefully with
    > a better sleeve material that I will re-weave as soon as I find the right
    > yarn. And I won't have to worry about entering the contest. I just entered
    > for the hell of it, not really expecting anything..but a lot of people kept
    > telling me I should win and that I had the best makeup on. I beg to
    > differ. My hair just sucked!!
    >
    > I didn't really sweat that much even with all the bodies there. It was
    > warm, but I wasn't sweating profusely. I should have had more water to
    > drink...I just did not want to travel with much, and whatever I dragged
    > around all day gave me such a shoulder ache! Two bottles of 16oz shakes
    > which were my food for the day...I drank the last one when I first sat
    > down and never wanted to get up. I wasn't hungry but I was tired of
    > dragging it around. So I lightened my load a bit by drinking it. I didn't
    > want to get up anymore, but a lot of people still came up for photos. I
    > couldn't really do anything without people photographing me.
    >
    > I avoided eating because I did not want to have to touch up my teeth in case
    > I accidentally "missed" while making a correction. I just didn't trust
    > myself because even when looking in a mirror I still "missed" the straw.
    > When I took a drink, I made sure to go in slow motion and went with memory
    > to aim well. I was also a bit devastated to find out I didn't bring any
    > extra straws, especially when I was so thirsty back stage. So...I went for
    > it and took a sip from a cup and I was ok. I was surprised I was able to do
    > it. I was just going to skip drinking anything.
    >
    > I glued ears on, too, and that made it super difficult to hear the voice on
    > the other end of the cell phone. I could barely talk on the phone, having
    > so much difficulty hearing my conversation of exactly where my girlfriend
    > was (we got separated)...and the din of the crowd...and everyone kept asking
    > for photos.
    >
    > I could have killed my girlfriend, too...she was helping me glue down bits
    > of my hair...bloody cell phone made it more messed up...and she spilled glue
    > down the front of my green outfit. I told her not to worry--it would dry
    > clear. It did but there's a LONG accident of dried up glue all the way down
    > the front. The family with a baby next to us did not have any baby wipes.
    > What the hell? You come to a convention with a baby and no baby wipes?
    > Grrr....Luckily we were near a curtain and I used that to wipe off whatever
    > glue I could. The bathroom was MILES away!!! There's a long dark stain
    > now...but I can easily replace that panel. My heart just sank because I had
    > asked for the judges to review the craftsmanship of the costume beforehand.
    >
    > Don Pedro Colley was the most huggable sweety pie. He was very very
    > loveable and very friendly. He said he remembers the apes very well. He
    > was telling my girlfriend that he could feel me shaking when I gave him a
    > hug. I was so excited I could have cried...but made myself stop because how
    > the heck was I going to blow my nose? We did not talk much about the
    > movie...we talked about the economy and also what other celebrities charged
    > for photos or autographs. In retrospect I should have asked him about the
    > makeup process he had to undergo, what he remembered the most from being in
    > the movie. Grrr...I did not expect him to be there either.
    >
    > There were a lot of makeup people there, they introduced themselves to me as
    > such when they came up almost to my eyeballs looking for where my skin ended
    > and began. They were really in my face!! I think there were three or four
    > who came in for close inspection. I passed. And luckily, nobody came up to
    > poke my face. It was a zoo, definitely.
    >
    > Jess.
    >
    >
    > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, LordTZer0@... wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Fantastic job Jess! The write up of you
    > > was also high praise indeed. Could have
    > > used a bit more hair at the cheeks, but
    > > another time -- if you're up for it. Did
    > > you sweat much? Hydration is key.
    > > Was it hot outside? Did you makeup
    > > at the hotel? Get many double takes?
    > > Those Star Wars guys can take their
    > > helmets off. I think that's one reason
    > > you don't see a lot of full makeups
    > > at Cons. Takes a lot if grit to do it.
    > >
    > >
    > > In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
    > > jessicarotich@... writes:
    > >
    > > I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of
    > > me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
    > > everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day
    > > party later for my son. I'm sooo tired.. I was a bit rushed puttingon the
    > > makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at
    > > the costume contest, though!
    > >
    > > I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a big hug
    > > and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
    > >
    > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5844.jpg
    > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5834.jpg
    > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5835.jpg
    > >
    > > Jess.
    > >
    > >
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    Group: pota Message: 51997 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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    I'm going to have to lengthen those darts, seeing the photos again, perhaps even bring the edge of the collar down. Or just rework the entire collar so it lays down the way the photos are. Right now the edge ends right at my neck, and the darts are hidden by all the hair.

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 8:03 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

    That is great Jessica. Thanks for the report.

    Now go to bed and take care of yourself.


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
    >
    > Still suffering from the effects of Wondercon. I've succumbed to the cold
    > my kids have been harboring the week before. If I had a cold I would not
    > have been able to wear the appliance. My great downfall to the costume was
    > rushing the makeup. The hair came out like crap. I should have used a
    > photo for reference, which would have given me a better hairline. I hate
    > that!!! I used the outline of the appliance for a guide, but now I know
    > better. Next time I will do better. Live and learn, I suppose.
    >
    > Next time I'll go by myself so that I get there when I'm good and ready, not
    > try to meet a deadline. I'm definitely going back next year, hopefully with
    > a better sleeve material that I will re-weave as soon as I find the right
    > yarn. And I won't have to worry about entering the contest. I just entered
    > for the hell of it, not really expecting anything..but a lot of people kept
    > telling me I should win and that I had the best makeup on. I beg to
    > differ. My hair just sucked!!
    >
    > I didn't really sweat that much even with all the bodies there. It was
    > warm, but I wasn't sweating profusely. I should have had more water to
    > drink...I just did not want to travel with much, and whatever I dragged
    > around all day gave me such a shoulder ache! Two bottles of 16oz shakes
    > which were my food for the day...I drank the last one when I first sat
    > down and never wanted to get up. I wasn't hungry but I was tired of
    > dragging it around. So I lightened my load a bit by drinking it. I didn't
    > want to get up anymore, but a lot of people still came up for photos. I
    > couldn't really do anything without people photographing me.
    >
    > I avoided eating because I did not want to have to touch up my teeth in case
    > I accidentally "missed" while making a correction. I just didn't trust
    > myself because even when looking in a mirror I still "missed" the straw.
    > When I took a drink, I made sure to go in slow motion and went with memory
    > to aim well. I was also a bit devastated to find out I didn't bring any
    > extra straws, especially when I was so thirsty back stage. So...I went for
    > it and took a sip from a cup and I was ok. I was surprised I was able to do
    > it. I was just going to skip drinking anything.
    >
    > I glued ears on, too, and that made it super difficult to hear the voice on
    > the other end of the cell phone. I could barely talk on the phone, having
    > so much difficulty hearing my conversation of exactly where my girlfriend
    > was (we got separated)...and the din of the crowd...and everyone kept asking
    > for photos.
    >
    > I could have killed my girlfriend, too...she was helping me glue down bits
    > of my hair...bloody cell phone made it more messed up...and she spilled glue
    > down the front of my green outfit. I told her not to worry--it would dry
    > clear. It did but there's a LONG accident of dried up glue all the way down
    > the front. The family with a baby next to us did not have any baby wipes.
    > What the hell? You come to a convention with a baby and no baby wipes?
    > Grrr....Luckily we were near a curtain and I used that to wipe off whatever
    > glue I could. The bathroom was MILES away!!! There's a long dark stain
    > now...but I can easily replace that panel. My heart just sank because I had
    > asked for the judges to review the craftsmanship of the costume beforehand.
    >
    > Don Pedro Colley was the most huggable sweety pie. He was very very
    > loveable and very friendly. He said he remembers the apes very well. He
    > was telling my girlfriend that he could feel me shaking when I gave him a
    > hug. I was so excited I could have cried...but made myself stop because how
    > the heck was I going to blow my nose? We did not talk much about the
    > movie...we talked about the economy and also what other celebrities charged
    > for photos or autographs. In retrospect I should have asked him about the
    > makeup process he had to undergo, what he remembered the most from being in
    > the movie. Grrr...I did not expect him to be there either.
    >
    > There were a lot of makeup people there, they introduced themselves to me as
    > such when they came up almost to my eyeballs looking for where my skin ended
    > and began. They were really in my face!! I think there were three or four
    > who came in for close inspection. I passed. And luckily, nobody came up to
    > poke my face. It was a zoo, definitely.
    >
    > Jess.
    >
    >
    > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, LordTZer0@... wrote:
    >
    > >
    > > Fantastic job Jess! The write up of you
    > > was also high praise indeed. Could have
    > > used a bit more hair at the cheeks, but
    > > another time -- if you're up for it. Did
    > > you sweat much? Hydration is key.
    > > Was it hot outside? Did you makeup
    > > at the hotel? Get many double takes?
    > > Those Star Wars guys can take their
    > > helmets off. I think that's one reason
    > > you don't see a lot of full makeups
    > > at Cons. Takes a lot if grit to do it.
    > >
    > >
    > > In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
    > > jessicarotich@... writes:
    > >
    > > I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of
    > > me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
    > > everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day
    > > party later for my son. I'm sooo tired.. I was a bit rushed puttingon the
    > > makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at
    > > the costume contest, though!
    > >
    > > I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a big hug
    > > and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
    > >
    > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5844.jpg
    > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5834.jpg
    > > http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn102/apecityoutfitters/IMG_5835.jpg
    > >
    > > Jess.
    > >
    > >
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    Group: pota Message: 51998 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
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    I made up at my house, which is only 25 minutes away from San Francisco. I have decided I'm going to make my own wig and rework my costume. My hair was so fussy at the show. Yes, definitely next time I will use a photo reference for the hairline. The foam latex glued on the face was not hot at all. It was very comfortable and lightweight. I did get a lot of double takes. It takes a lot of grit you are right, but it's so fun. I loved it all. This was the first time ever for me being under the goo, but definitely not the last. Looking forward to the next ape outing.
    As far as the costume goes, I need to move the shoulder seams up and shorten the sleeves, and reweave the inner sleeves with a finer yarn. I have to lower the edge of the collar so that you can see the darts, too.
    Jess.

    On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

    Fantastic job Jess! The write up of you
    was also high praise indeed. Could have
    used a bit more hair at the cheeks, but
    another time -- if you're up for it. Did
    you sweat much? Hydration is key.
    Was it hot outside? Did you makeup
    at the hotel? Get many double takes?
    Those Star Wars guys can take their
    helmets off. I think that's one reason
    you don't see a lot of full makeups
    at Cons. Takes a lot if grit to do it.
    In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

    I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired.. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!
    I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a big hug and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.



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    Group: pota Message: 51999 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/2/2009
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
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      Anybody up for joining me at Wondercon 2010? San Francisco, late February.
      Anybody going to Dragoncon 2009? I was going to fly out there and go ape with another friend....in Atlanta, Georgia. It's quite warm over there and humid...but indoors should be ok. I believe it's September 2009.
      Jess.

      On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Michael & Sally Whitty <sallywhitty@...> wrote:

      Yeah I'd be using the gloves too I think!


      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jessica rotich
      Sent: Tuesday, 3 March 2009 2:02 AM


      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009

      The costume has those darts. You can't tell because of the lighting, and the fabric is very dark. It has to have those darts for the collar to lay properly. It's got the same number as on the pictures.

      My skin feels ok. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. The costume was not claustrophobic. Next time I will buy those tatoo inks so I don't have to rework my hands. My hands still have grease paint in the creases...I've tried everything to remove them. It doesn't bother me--they just look dirty. No wonder Apemania people wear gloves. Removing grease makeup is tough.

      Jess.

      On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 12:53 AM, <TZer0@...> wrote:

      I saw one of the pics of you. I only have one other suggestion.

      If you're having to rework the costume because of the glue

      I would put some more, not really sure of the sewing term,

      but I think they're called darts, in the collar. See below.


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      Group: pota Message: 52000 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/3/2009
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        Once again, my sentiments exactly.  Don't get me wrong, Severn Darden as Kolp performed greatly but if Breck could've returned, I think that it would've been even more dynamic.
         
        Zach   
         
        -------Original Message-------
         
        From: James
        Date: 3/2/2009 9:51:39 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [pota] Re: Conquest on Fox Movie Channel
         

        Breck was one of the better characters in the series. It is too bad that Don Murray wouldn't come back to do Battle.


        --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@.. .> wrote:
        >
        > One thing I neglected to mention when I was writing my lengthy posts
        > about the Thanksgiving weekend marathon (and the CONQUEST director's cut
        > in particular) was that I loved how Breck didn't cower at the end when he
        > was staring up at the gorillas with their rifles upraised. His facial
        > expression said "Go ahead. Do it.". Almost challenging them in a way to
        > go through with it.
        >
        > A true antagonist, right until the end.
        >
        >
        > Chris L.
        >
        >
        >
        > "Lynne Miller" cosmicraye1998@ ... wrote:
        >
        > >>Just thought I jot a note after seeing CONQUEST today. I feel like a
        > POTA newbie...I have never seen the uncut version or the ending that
        > didn't have the..'But now..' added onto it, or the
        > killing..ahem ..smearing of Break! Awesome!! <<
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        Group: pota Message: 52001 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/3/2009
        Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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          Yes, you do just that!
           
          Zach 
           
          -------Original Message-------
           
          From: James
          Date: 3/2/2009 10:05:13 AM
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [pota] Re: Wondercon 2009
           

          That is great Jessica. Thanks for the report.

          Now go to bed and take care of yourself.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ ...> wrote:
          >
          > Still suffering from the effects of Wondercon. I've succumbed to the cold
          > my kids have been harboring the week before. If I had a cold I would not
          > have been able to wear the appliance. My great downfall to the costume was
          > rushing the makeup. The hair came out like crap. I should have used a
          > photo for reference, which would have given me a better hairline. I hate
          > that!!! I used the outline of the appliance for a guide, but now I know
          > better. Next time I will do better. Live and learn, I suppose.
          >
          > Next time I'll go by myself so that I get there when I'm good and ready, not
          > try to meet a deadline. I'm definitely going back next year, hopefully with
          > a better sleeve material that I will re-weave as soon as I find the right
          > yarn. And I won't have to worry about entering the contest. I just entered
          > for the hell of it, not really expecting anything..but a lot of people kept
          > telling me I should win and that I had the best makeup on. I beg to
          > differ. My hair just sucked!!
          >
          > I didn't really sweat that much even with all the bodies there. It was
          > warm, but I wasn't sweating profusely. I should have had more water to
          > drink...I just did not want to travel with much, and whatever I dragged
          > around all day gave me such a shoulder ache! Two bottles of 16oz shakes
          > which were my food for the day...I drank the last one when I first sat
          > down and never wanted to get up. I wasn't hungry but I was tired of
          > dragging it around. So I lightened my load a bit by drinking it. I didn't
          > want to get up anymore, but a lot of people still came up for photos. I
          > couldn't really do anything without people photographing me.
          >
          > I avoided eating because I did not want to have to touch up my teeth in cas e
          > I accidentally "missed" while making a correction. I just didn't trust
          > myself because even when looking in a mirror I still "missed" the straw.
          > When I took a drink, I made sure to go in slow motion and went with memory
          > to aim well. I was also a bit devastated to find out I didn't bring any
          > extra straws, especially when I was so thirsty back stage. So...I went for
          > it and took a sip from a cup and I was ok. I was surprised I was able to do
          > it. I was just going to skip drinking anything.
          >
          > I glued ears on, too, and that made it super difficult to hear the voice on
          > the other end of the cell phone. I could barely talk on the phone, having
          > so much difficulty hearing my conversation of exactly where my girlfriend
          > was (we got separated).. .and the din of the crowd...and everyone kept asking
          > for photos.
          >
          > I could have killed my girlfriend, too...she was helping me glue down bits
          > of my hair...bloody cell phone made it more messed up...and she spilled glue
          > down the front of my green outfit. I told her not to worry--it would dry
          > clear. It did but there's a LONG accident of dried up glue all the way down
          > the front. The family with a baby next to us did not have any baby wipes.
          > What the hell? You come to a convention with a baby and no baby wipes?
          > Grrr....Luckily we were near a curtain and I used that to wipe off whatever
          > glue I could. The bathroom was MILES away!!! There's a long dark stain
          > now...but I can easily replace that panel. My heart just sank because I had
          > asked for the judges to review the craftsmanship of the costume beforehand.
          >
          > Don Pedro Colley was the most huggable sweety pie. He was very very
          > loveable and very friendly. He said he remembers the apes very well. He
          > was telling my girlfriend that he could feel me shaking when I gave him a
          > hug. I was so excited I could have cried... but made myself stop because how
          > the heck was I going to blow my nose? We did not talk much about the
          > movie...we talked about the economy and also what other celebrities charged
          > for photos or autographs. In retrospect I should have asked him about the
          > makeup process he had to undergo, what he remembered the most from being in
          > the movie. Grrr...I did not expect him to be there either.
          >
          > There were a lot of makeup people there, they introduced themselves to me as
          > such when they came up almost to my eyeballs looking for where my skin ended
          > and began. They were really in my face!! I think there were three or four
          > who came in for close inspection. I passed. And luckily, nobody came up to
          > poke my face. It was a zoo, definitely.
          >
          > Jess.
          >
          >
          > On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 9:09 PM, LordTZer0@.. . wrote:
          >
          > >
          > > Fantastic job Jess! The write up of you
          > > was also high praise indeed. Could have
          > > used a bit more hair at the cheeks, but
          > > another time -- if you're up for it. Did
          > > you sweat much? Hydration is key.
          > > Was it hot outside? Did you makeup
          > > at the hotel? Get many double takes?
          > > Those Star Wars guys can take their
          > > helmets off. I think that's one reason
          > > you don't see a lot of full makeups
          > > at Cons. Takes a lot if grit to do it.
          > >
          > >
          > > In a message dated 3/1/2009 2:14:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
          > > jessicarotich@ ... writes:
          > >
          > > I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of
          > > me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost
          > > everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day
          > > party later for my son. I'm sooo tired.. I was a bit rushed puttingon the
          > > makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at
          > > the costume contest, though!
          > >
          > > I met Don Pedro Colley. He was such a nice person. I gave him a big hug
          > > and didn't want to let go. He was as soft as a big fluffy pillow.
          > >
          > > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5844.jpg
          > > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5834.jpg
          > > http://i302. photobucket. com/albums/ nn102/apecityout fitters/IMG_ 5835.jpg
          > >
          > > Jess.
          > >
          > >
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          Group: pota Message: 52002 From: Rich Handley Date: 3/3/2009
          Subject: Re: Digest Number 4405
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          >Posted by: "James" JamesA1102@... jamesa1102
          >Breck was one of the better characters in the series. It is too bad that
          >Don Murray wouldn't come back to do Battle.

          I agree completely. I've always wished Breck had come back for
          Battle. Though then we wouldn't have had that classic
          "Clevah....APE!" delivery.
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          Group: pota Message: 52003 From: James Date: 3/3/2009
          Subject: FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes
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          FYI

           

          Google News Alert for: planet of the apes

          Geek Culture: A tribute to a film legend
          Oxnard Colleges - Moorpark,CA,USA
          He also had a hand in the original “Planet of the Apes”, where he played the head ape of the assembly. Other then a genuine interest in the script and ...
          See all stories on this topic

           

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          Group: pota Message: 52004 From: James Date: 3/3/2009
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
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          Maybe. February of next year seems so far away right now.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
          >
          > Anybody up for joining me at Wondercon 2010? San Francisco, late February.
          >
          >
          > Anybody going to Dragoncon 2009? I was going to fly out there and go ape
          > with another friend....in Atlanta, Georgia. It's quite warm over there and
          > humid...but indoors should be ok. I believe it's September 2009.
          >
          > Jess.
          >
          >

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          Group: pota Message: 52005 From: James Date: 3/3/2009
          Subject: Re: Digest Number 4405
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          I've heard two version of why Don Murray didn't come back for Battle. One is that he was offered the part but turned it down because he didn't want to do another POTA film. The other is that Murray accepted but wanted too much money to come back. I wonder which is true.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rich Handley <handleyr@...> wrote:
          >

          > I agree completely. I've always wished Breck had come back for
          > Battle. Though then we wouldn't have had that classic
          > "Clevah....APE!" delivery.
          >

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          Group: pota Message: 52006 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/3/2009
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
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          I know it's so far away from now, but that gives you a chance to save up and gather/make your costume to go ape. It would be great to have a nice group of apes to hang out with.
          Jess.

          On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 7:31 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

          Maybe. February of next year seems so far away right now.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
          >
          > Anybody up for joining me at Wondercon 2010? San Francisco, late February.
          >
          >
          > Anybody going to Dragoncon 2009? I was going to fly out there and go ape
          > with another friend....in Atlanta, Georgia. It's quite warm over there and
          > humid...but indoors should be ok. I believe it's September 2009.
          >
          > Jess.
          >
          >


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          Group: pota Message: 52007 From: Dave B Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: Kit bashing
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          There's been a mini resurgence in POTA resin kits recently. The good news is that Model Prisoners are back and are re-offering the Conquest version of Caesar 'The King' I imagine the Ape-O-nauts won't be far behind.

          <http://www.modelprisoners.com/king1.htmlgt;
          http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/cornelius.jpg

          Also a new 'Ursus' kit

          <http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg>
          http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg
          Not so keen on this, myself, but anyone interested contact:

          <http://www.monstersfromthewoods.com/>

          Dave
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          Group: pota Message: 52008 From: James Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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          .html

          FYI

           

          Google News Alert for: "planet of the apes"

          Rorschach Unmasked - Jackie Earle Haley Talks 'Watchmen'
          Newsarama - Millburn,NJ,USA
          He even had guest-staring roles on Shazam and Planet of the Apes to add to his pop culture geek cred. But the man who left the acting world for 13 years and ...

           

          Dick in a Box: More Crack Please!
          By Maury Souza
          The first time I read The Crack in Space, I thought that it was where Planet of The Apes got its source material. But to my chagrin, PKD more likely got a major subplot of his 1966 novel from Pierre Boulle's 1963 novel: a planet far ...
          Dick in a Box - http://penultimatetruth.blogspot.com/

           

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          Group: pota Message: 52009 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: Re: Kit bashing
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          Once your eyes have laid upon the glory of the Hot Toys Ursus...well...it's kind of hard to go back...

          Jess.

          On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

          There's been a mini resurgence in POTA resin kits recently. The good news is that Model Prisoners are back and are re-offering the Conquest version of Caesar 'The King' I imagine the Ape-O-nauts won't be far behind.

          <http://www.modelprisoners.com/king1.html">
          http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/cornelius.jpg

          Also a new 'Ursus' kit

          <http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg>
          http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg
          Not so keen on this, myself, but anyone interested contact:

          <http://www.monstersfromthewoods.com/>

          Dave


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          Group: pota Message: 52010 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes
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          Interesting... Whitmore grew to disliking playing the President of the
          Assembly because of the bulking costume.

          -- Rory

          -----Original Message-----
          From: James <JamesA1102@...>
          To: POTA Group <Pota@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:24 am
          Subject: [pota] FW: Google Alert - planet of the apes













          FYI










          Google News
          Alert for: planet of the apes




          Geek
          Culture: A tribute to a film legend

          Oxnard Colleges -
          Moorpark,CA,USA

          He also had a hand in the original "Planet of the Apes",
          where he played the head ape of the assembly. Other then a genuine
          interest in the script and ...

          See all stories on this topic






































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          Group: pota Message: 52011 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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          Dick in a Box: More Crack Please!
          By Maury Souza
          The first time I read The Crack in Space, I thought that it was where
          Planet of The Apes got its source material. But to my chagrin, PKD more
          likely got a major subplot of his 1966 novel from Pierre Boulle's 1963
          novel: a planet far ...
          Dick in a Box - http://penultimatetruth.blogspot.com/



          Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crack_in_Space

          Doesn't sound very "Potaish" to me.

          -- Rory
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          Group: pota Message: 52012 From: haydon.mark Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: Re: Kit bashing
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          I agree the hot toys are fantastic , but the price's are far from o.k
          If i wanted to bye two of them thats the price i could get my hands on some original movie props???
          Mark--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
          >
          > Once your eyes have laid upon the glory of the Hot Toys Ursus...well...it's
          > kind of hard to go back...
          >
          > Jess.
          >
          > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:
          >
          > > There's been a mini resurgence in POTA resin kits recently. The good
          > > news is that Model Prisoners are back and are re-offering the Conquest
          > > version of Caesar 'The King' I imagine the Ape-O-nauts won't be far behind.
          > >
          > > <http://www.modelprisoners.com/king1.html">
          > > [image: http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/cornelius.jpg%5d
          > >
          > > Also a new 'Ursus' kit
          > >
          > > <http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg>
          > > [image: http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg%5d
          > > Not so keen on this, myself, but anyone interested contact:
          > >
          > > <http://www.monstersfromthewoods.com/>
          > >
          > > Dave
          > >
          > >
          >
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          Group: pota Message: 52013 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/4/2009
          Subject: Re: Kit bashing
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          Sorry, Mark, that's the price you're looking at for movie props from the Tim Burton Fiasco.

          Jess.

          On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 11:02 AM, haydon.mark <markhaydon3@...> wrote:

          I agree the hot toys are fantastic , but the price's are far from o.k
          If i wanted to bye two of them thats the price i could get my hands on some original movie props???


          Mark--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
          >
          > Once your eyes have laid upon the glory of the Hot Toys Ursus...well...it's
          > kind of hard to go back...
          >
          > Jess.
          >
          > On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:
          >
          > > There's been a mini resurgence in POTA resin kits recently. The good
          > > news is that Model Prisoners are back and are re-offering the Conquest
          > > version of Caesar 'The King' I imagine the Ape-O-nauts won't be far behind.
          > >
          > > <http://www.modelprisoners.com/king1.html">
          > > [image: http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/cornelius.jpg]

          > >
          > > Also a new 'Ursus' kit
          > >
          > > <http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg>
          > > [image: http://home.cshore.com/bucwheat/2k9/ursus.jpg]

          > > Not so keen on this, myself, but anyone interested contact:
          > >
          > > <http://www.monstersfromthewoods.com/>
          > >
          > > Dave
          > >
          > >
          >


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          Hello,

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          Group: pota Message: 52016 From: James Date: 3/5/2009
          Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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          FYI

           

          Google Blogs Alert for: "planet of the apes"

          UpcomingDiscs.com » Blog Archive » Planet of the Apes (Blu-ray ...
          By Jeremy Frost
          Fox Home Entertainment has graciously given us a copy of the Blu-ray release of Planet of the Apes to give away. To enter to win a copy of this 1968 classic film, just follow these two steps… Fill out your name and email address in the ...
          UpcomingDiscs.com - http://upcomingdiscs.com/

          Scott Chaney Writes: Travis the Chimp, Shot Dead by Police in ...
          By Scott Chaney
          At least the monkeys in Planet of the Apes put people in cages instead of biting their faces. I'm no Jane Goodall, but I have a theory of why Travis attacked, and it had nothing to do with hair. He had been in some commercials, sure. ...
          Scott Chaney Writes - http://scottchaneywrites.blogspot.com/

           

          Shakesville: 10 Best Conservative Movies
          By Jon Swift
          Planet of the Apes is based on an intriguing premise: What if evolution were true instead of just an unlikely theory? In this film apes have "evolved" to the point where they talk, wear clothes and walk upright. ...
          Shakesville - http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/

           

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          Group: pota Message: 52017 From: James Date: 3/5/2009
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          Thanks Dave.

          Where is that from?


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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          > Hello,
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          > Regards,
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          Group: pota Message: 52018 From: Dave B Date: 3/5/2009
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          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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          >
          > Thanks Dave.
          >
          > Where is that from?


          I found it here;

          <http://comicartfans.com>

          Just go there and do a search for - Planet Apes - and it comes up with all sorts of goodies.

          I visit about every three months and there's usually something new to look at.

          Dave
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          Group: pota Message: 52019 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 3/5/2009
          Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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          Shakesville: 10 Best Conservative Movies
          By Jon Swift
          Planet of the Apes is based on an intriguing premise: What if evolution
          were true instead of just an unlikely theory? In this film apes have
          "evolved" to the point where they talk, wear clothes and walk upright.
          ....
          Shakesville - http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/


          Is this article kidding, or what? POTA a conservative movie? Some
          people are spinning in their graves right now.

          And conservatives don't believe that evolution is a fact -- at this
          point in history?!!!! Forget apes, these nuts are neanderthals!

          -- Rory
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          Group: pota Message: 52020 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: The Illustrated Monkey Planet
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          Good morning! The final installment of THE ILLUSTRATED MONKEY PLANET is now available.

          Once again a big thank you to Dave Ballard who did an incredible job restoring the Hungarian comic and was generous enough to share it with us.

          To access click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm

          Be sure and come back next Friday for the premiere of our new weekly feature APE CITY CHRONICLES.

          Have a great weekend everyone!

          Visit all the Group's special features including:

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          Group: pota Message: 52021 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
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          Lucky that he wasn't in that many scenes.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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          > Interesting... Whitmore grew to disliking playing the President of the
          > Assembly because of the bulking costume.
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          > He also had a hand in the original “Planet of the Apes”,
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          Group: pota Message: 52022 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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          Hard to say without reading the entire novel, but based on the synopsis it seems like a stretch to connect it with POTA.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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          > Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
          > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crack_in_Space
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          > Doesn't sound very "Potaish" to me.
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          Group: pota Message: 52023 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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          I think the guy who wrote the article is the one who is spinning!


          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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          > Is this article kidding, or what? POTA a conservative movie? Some
          > people are spinning in their graves right now.
          >

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          Group: pota Message: 52024 From: James Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
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          It's times like this I wish I was rich. http://tinyurl.com/af4k7a

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          Group: pota Message: 52025 From: scott bosco Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
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          WOW!  I'm stunned.  It's amazing what turns up.
          - Scott B.

          --- On Fri, 3/6/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
          From: James <JamesA1102@...>
          Subject: [pota] RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:52 AM

          It's times like this I wish I was rich. http://tinyurl. com/af4k7a

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          Group: pota Message: 52026 From: Jeff K. Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: OT: Kraik rocks on
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           Jackie Earle Hailey, "Kraik" in the POTA TV show, is on a roll. He got an Oscar nomination for "Little Children", he's a major player in this weekend's "Watchmen" and now he's got a pilot on, ahem, Fox. These days, when actors like Robert Downey, Jr. and Mickey Rourke are being lauded for (terrific) comebacks, it's good to see someone who didn't implode but just fell out of favor coming back. Hey, Jackie was the star of a movie in which Tom Cruise was just a wannabe. He was also memorable in stuff like "Bad News Bears" and "Breaking Away". Good job, Jackie!
           
           
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          Group: pota Message: 52027 From: goapebilly@aol.com Date: 3/6/2009
          Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
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            its nice BUT! until there is a pic of inside i am pretty much 100% sure it is not real!
             that's a latex mask,possibly pulled from the mold but most mutant pieces were made from silicone .and especially since eyes werent done etc im beating it isnt real.
              you dont have to take my word for it ,i would ask seller for better pix .
            i have one .and mine has a much better paint job ,as you can see in pix,the top pic is original pieces you can definetly see the difference.some one is throwing away 2k   goapebilly
             
            In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:27:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, digitalcinema@... writes:


            WOW!  I'm stunned.  It's amazing what turns up.
            - Scott B.

            --- On Fri, 3/6/09, James <JamesA1102@aol. com> wrote:
            From: James <JamesA1102@aol. com>
            Subject: [pota] RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
            To: pota@yahoogroups. com
            Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:52 AM

            It's times like this I wish I was rich. http://tinyurl. com/af4k7a



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            Group: pota Message: 52028 From: rusty owens Date: 3/6/2009
            Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
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              Billy, I own the mask- the pics don’t do it justice… unless Les screwed me a few years back I would consider it original…. I wanted to buy the mutant robe and jacket, but am I correct that you beat me to it?? Regards- Rusty

               


              From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of goapebilly@...
              Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:39 AM
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [pota] RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969

               

              its nice BUT! until there is a pic of inside i am pretty much 100% sure it is not real!

               that's a latex mask,possibly pulled from the mold but most mutant pieces were made from silicone .and especially since eyes werent done etc im beating it isnt real.

                you dont have to take my word for it ,i would ask seller for better pix .

              i have one .and mine has a much better paint job ,as you can see in pix,the top pic is original pieces you can definetly see the difference.some one is throwing away 2k   goapebilly

               

              In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:27:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, digitalcinema@... writes:


              WOW!  I'm stunned.  It's amazing what turns up.

              - Scott B.


              --- On Fri, 3/6/09, James <JamesA1102@aol. com> wrote:

              From: James <JamesA1102@aol. com>
              Subject: [pota] RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
              To: pota@yahoogroups. com
              Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:52 AM

              It's times like this I wish I was rich. http://tinyurl. com/af4k7a

               

               


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              Group: pota Message: 52029 From: goapebilly@aol.com Date: 3/6/2009
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                this is your mask your selling?if so im just giving my opinion w/out seeing it in person.but it resembles the copy i have. i also have a latex one that was supposedly poured from original mold,it is dry and dark colored from age. but im almost sure all the movie mutant pieces were silicone.  to verify i would contact brian at apemania if he knows of any latex pulls.ive seen 3 different collectors pieces and all are silicone.
                  im not trying to start any problems or hurt you ,i wish you luck with selling it.if i thought it was real i would be bidding myself.i dont own a original mutant and im dying for one.
                   do you have better pix or of inside of mask?
                 
                In a message dated 3/6/2009 11:28:14 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, rustyowens@... writes:

                Billy, I own the mask- the pics don't do it justice… unless Les screwed me a few years back I would consider it original…. I wanted to buy the mutant robe and jacket, but am I correct that you beat me to it?? Regards- Rusty


                From: pota@yahoogroups. com [pota@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of goapebilly@aol. com
                Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:39 AM
                To: pota@yahoogroups. com
                Subject: Re: [pota] RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969

                its nice BUT! until there is a pic of inside i am pretty much 100% sure it is not real!

                 that's a latex mask,possibly pulled from the mold but most mutant pieces were made from silicone .and especially since eyes werent done etc im beating it isnt real.

                  you dont have to take my word for it ,i would ask seller for better pix .

                i have one .and mine has a much better paint job ,as you can see in pix,the top pic is original pieces you can definetly see the difference.some one is throwing away 2k   goapebilly

                In a message dated 3/6/2009 9:27:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, digitalcinema@ yahoo.com writes:


                WOW!  I'm stunned.  It's amazing what turns up.

                - Scott B.


                --- On Fri, 3/6/09, James <JamesA1102@aol. com> wrote:

                From: James <JamesA1102@aol. com>
                Subject: [pota] RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
                To: pota@yahoogroups. com
                Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:52 AM

                It's times like this I wish I was rich. http://tinyurl. com/af4k7a


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                Group: pota Message: 52030 From: Scott Raile Date: 3/6/2009
                Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
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                I'm totally speaking out of turn here (I know NOTHING about the
                collectability of original props), but couldn't the mutant mask that's
                currently for sale have simply been one of the "less detailed" ones
                created for the crowd scenes?

                I mean, we know that the quality of the makeup for the ape extras in all
                of the movies dropped dramatically the further you got from the camera
                (just look at some of those chimps throwing fruit at Heston in the first
                movie; horrible!). Why wouldn't it have been true for the mutants as
                well? That is, the masks worn by Natalie Trundy and Victor Buono, etc.,
                were all heavily-detailed silicone masks, but what about that guy
                sitting in the very back row during the Mass? Surely they didn't bother
                to make HIM a super-cool silicone mask, and therefore that's where the
                cheaper latex versions were used.


                Just a thought.


                Scott
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                Group: pota Message: 52031 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/6/2009
                Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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                  Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  Tim


                  From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
                  To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
                  Subject: [pota] Wondercon 2009

                  I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me.  It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything.  Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM.  Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son.  I'm sooo tired.  I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm.  I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though! 
                   

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                  Group: pota Message: 52032 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/6/2009
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                    Found this on Flickr....are these performers from the stage show or arena show?


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                    Group: pota Message: 52033 From: scott bosco Date: 3/6/2009
                    Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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                    Jess,
                    Forget about Zira - you look like that sexy chimp that Caesar mated with.
                    - Scott B.

                    --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                    From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
                    Subject: Re: [pota] Wondercon 2009
                    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 5:13 PM

                    Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!! !!!

                    Tim


                    From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@ gmail.com>
                    To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups. com>; PotaDG@yahoogroups. com
                    Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
                    Subject: [pota] Wondercon 2009

                    I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me.  It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything.  Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM.  Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son.  I'm sooo tired.  I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm.  I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though! 
                     


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                    Group: pota Message: 52034 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 3/6/2009
                    Subject: Birthday Reminder
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                    Group: pota Message: 52035 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/7/2009
                    Subject: Re: is this from the 70's?
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                      One of those gorillas reminds me so much of Zandar from the "Horse Race"!  Thanks for sharing!
                       
                      Zach   
                       
                      -------Original Message-------
                       
                      Date: 3/6/2009 4:27:49 PM
                      To: POTA;  POTA DG
                      Subject: [pota] is this from the 70's?
                       
                      Found this on Flickr....are these performers from the stage show or arena show?


                       
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                      Group: pota Message: 52036 From: grotowski666 Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: SciFi Now Mag. Top 100 sci fi moments APES No1 !!!!
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                      This months Sci fi Now Mag has a top 100 sci fi moments voted for by the readers and guess what ??? The final scene of Heston on the beach is voted number one of all time !!!
                      Above, well....everything!
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                      Group: pota Message: 52037 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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                      FYI

                       

                      Google Blogs Alert for: "planet of the apes"

                      Greyhawk Grognard: My Next-to-the-Top 10 Genre Films
                      By Joseph
                      Beneath the Planet of the Apes. This is actually my favorite of all the 'Apes films, probably because it seems to me to be the most science-fictiony. What strikes me is that the natural reaction of the mutants beneath the ruins of New ...
                      Greyhawk Grognard - http://greyhawkgrognard.blogspot.com/

                       

                      Read the preview here! | Marvel.com News | Marvel.com
                      Bouncing out of the pages of the hit MARVEL APES mini-series— it's the masked (monkey) marvel SPEEDBALL! Branded a traitor to the entire Ape Universe, the simian superhero is now exiled, alienated, and alone on a bizarre Planet of ...
                      Marvel News Archive Feed - http://www.marvel.com/news/archive

                      Who’s cooler? Darth Vader or Hannibal Lecter? | She Likes to Watch
                      By Sarah
                      RottenTomatoes.com offers 10 Sci-Fi Flicks for the Thinking Man, including “Planet of the Apes,“ “Dark City” and, one of my favorites, “Children of Men.” Tech geeks will want to check out the 10 Coolest Movie and TV Spy Gadgets in ...
                      She Likes to Watch - http://sloblogs.thetribunenews.com/shelikestowatch/

                       

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                      Group: pota Message: 52038 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
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                      It's always nice to see a POTA alum do well.


                      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Jackie Earle Hailey, "Kraik" in the POTA TV show, is on a roll. He got an Oscar nomination for "Little Children", he's a major player in this weekend's "Watchmen" and now he's got a pilot on, ahem, Fox. These days, when actors like Robert Downey, Jr. and Mickey Rourke are being lauded for (terrific) comebacks, it's good to see someone who didn't implode but just fell out of favor coming back. Hey, Jackie was the star of a movie in which Tom Cruise was just a wannabe. He was also memorable in stuff like "Bad News Bears" and "Breaking Away". Good job, Jackie!
                      > http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40330
                      >

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                      Group: pota Message: 52039 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: Re: RARE MUTANT MASK BENEATH 1969
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                      No one can speak out of turn here. Everyone's opinion is welcome.

                      Speaking of the mask, bidding is up over $2000 now. Too rich for me!


                      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Scott Raile <raile@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > I'm totally speaking out of turn here

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                      Group: pota Message: 52040 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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                      Thanks Tim.

                      Anyone who wants to see the pics, they have been uploaded here: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/spnew


                      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hey Jess! Found these on Flickr! LOOKS FANTASTIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                      >
                      > Tim
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > > From: jessica rotich jessicarotich@...
                      > To: POTA pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 2:14:56 PM
                      > Subject: [pota] Wondercon 2009
                      >
                      >
                      > I didn't take that very many photos, but a lot of photos were taken of me. It took 3 hours to glue everything down, two hours to remove almost everything. Went to bed exhausted at 1:30 AM. Have a cold now, and a b-day party later for my son. I'm sooo tired. I was a bit rushed puttingon the makeup/hair because I slept through my alarm. I got an honorable mention at the costume contest, though!
                      >

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                      Group: pota Message: 52041 From: James Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: Re: SciFi Now Mag. Top 100 sci fi moments APES No1 !!!!
                      .html

                      Nice to know someone got it right.


                      --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > This months Sci fi Now Mag has a top 100 sci fi moments voted for by the readers and guess what ??? The final scene of Heston on the beach is voted number one of all time !!!
                      > Above, well....everything!
                      >

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                      Group: pota Message: 52042 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: POTA onscreen in Rio Rancho, New Mexico
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                      After hours with apes

                      The Esther Bone Memorial Library, 950 Pinetree Rd. SE, continues its "After Hours at the Movies" series with the cult classic film, "Planet of the Apes." The free movie will be shown at 7 p.m.

                      This film was originally released in 1968, runs 112 minutes and is rated G. It stars Charlton Heston, Roddy McDowall and Kim Hunter. It spawned the Planet of the Apes movie franchise, which includes the original film and four other movies based around the same theme.

                      Doors will open for admission to the library at 6:30 p.m. Snacks and drinks are allowed. The remainder of the library is closed during the showing of the film as patrons will only have access to the program room and the bathrooms.

                      For more information, call 891-5012, extension 3128.

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                      Group: pota Message: 52043 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/7/2009
                      Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
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                        You can say that again.
                         
                        By the way, what happened to the nice blonde that played Arn in the TV series?
                         
                        Zach    
                         
                        -------Original Message-------
                         
                        From: James
                        Date: 03/07/09 09:49:01
                        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
                         

                        It's always nice to see a POTA alum do well.


                        --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Jackie Earle Hailey, "Kraik" in the POTA TV show, is on a roll. He got an Oscar nomination for "Little Children", he's a major player in this weekend's "Watchmen" and now he's got a pilot on, ahem, Fox. These days, when actors like Robert Downey, Jr. and Mickey Rourke are being lauded for (terrific) comebacks, it's good to see someone who didn't implode but just fell out of favor coming back. Hey, Jackie was the star of a movie in which Tom Cruise was just a wannabe. He was also memorable in stuff like "Bad News Bears" and "Breaking Away". Good job, Jackie!
                        > http://www.aintitco ol.com/node/ 40330
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                        Subject: Re: SciFi Now Mag. Top 100 sci fi moments APES No1 !!!!
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                        Bravo!!

                        On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

                        Nice to know someone got it right.


                        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > This months Sci fi Now Mag has a top 100 sci fi moments voted for by the readers and guess what ??? The final scene of Heston on the beach is voted number one of all time !!!
                        > Above, well....everything!
                        >


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                        Group: pota Message: 52046 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/8/2009
                        Subject: Re: Wondercon 2009
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                        If your face gets rough, Kim's answer was to slather hers
                        in petroleum jelly overnight.  Though I have heard good
                        things about olive oil.  I'm sure you have found your own
                        cleansing / moisturizing regimen to combat skin fatigue.
                          
                         
                         
                        In a message dated 3/2/2009 11:38:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:
                        Or just rework the entire collar so it lays down the way the photos are.  Right now the edge ends right at my neck, and the darts are hidden by all the hair.


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                        Group: pota Message: 52047 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 3/8/2009
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                        This was cast from a custom made life-mask for you?
                        I thought it was just a generic Apemania Zira.
                         
                         
                         
                        In a message dated 3/2/2009 3:49:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:
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                        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:

                        > By the way, what happened to the nice blonde that played Arn in the TV series?


                        Zina Bethune - you can find a fairly recent interview with her, here. You'll need to scroll down towards the bottom of the page to find the link.

                        <https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/articles.html">

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                        Group: pota Message: 52049 From: James Date: 3/8/2009
                        Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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                          FYI

                           

                          Google Blogs Alert for: "planet of the apes"

                          MAKING LISTS: the 20 most disappointing movies of all time
                          By jrsuicide
                          15. Alexander 16. Good Will Hunting 17. Planet of The Apes (tim burton remake) 18. The Hulk (Ang Lee's version) 19. Scream 2 20. Snakes On A Plane (wasn't nearly dumb or fun enough). Posted by jrsuicide at 12:14 PM. Labels: movies ...
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                          Soundtrack Reviews
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                          PLANET OF THE APES by Danny Elfman Elfman stays true to the original scores with noises of non instruments - sounds of bones clinking together etc. this was a 2001 Elfman and Tim Burton collaboration and I remember liking it despite Tim ...
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                          He was, of course, destined for a major Hollywood career after reuniting with Mr. Vidal on "The Best Man" and Mr. Serling on "Planet of the Apes. ...
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                          Planet of the Apes (2001, Movie) – 5/10 review « Screened by Slimm
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                          Captain Leo Davidson, for reasons too stupid to go into, finds himself crash landing through a bizarre space storm on to a planet where apes are the dominant species and fond of quoting lines from the 1967 movie Planet of the Apes. ...
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                          Group: pota Message: 52050 From: Dave B Date: 3/8/2009
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                          --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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                          > Jackie Earle Hailey, "Kraik" in the POTA TV show, is on a roll.

                          Saw Watchmen last night and the boy, Kraik, is still recognizable under all those years!

                          Dave
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                          Group: pota Message: 52051 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/8/2009
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                          It's the generic Apemania Zira. So...does it look foam-like and rubbery?

                          The custom made life-mask is still in the works but it's in the backburner. When the other half of the makeup crew is better, we'll walk that journey again.
                          Jess.

                          On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:42 AM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

                          This was cast from a custom made life-mask for you?
                          I thought it was just a generic Apemania Zira.
                          In a message dated 3/2/2009 3:49:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:
                          This was the first time ever for me being under the goo


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                          Group: pota Message: 52052 From: rassmguy Date: 3/8/2009
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                          I saw the film last night, and as someone who loves the comic miniseries, I thought it was fantastic. The ending was different, as a lot of people have discussed, but I actually think it worked better on film and made more sense based on what Alan Moore had set up regarding the characters of Ozymandias and Manhattan.

                          Haley was AMAZING as Rorschach--he absolutely nailed every nuance of the character as Moore wrote him, without fail. Honestly, I think he was the casting coup of the year--right up there with Ledger as the Joker, or Quinto as Spock, or...well...the entire cast of Lord of the Rings.

                          What's more, I disagree with most of the criticism I've seen online reviewers make concerning Laurie and Veidt--I thought both actors were a lot of fun in their respective roles, and very much captured their essences. The disadvantage they faced was that they were in the same film as the actors playing Rorschach, Manhattan and Dreiberg (who were all fantastic), so they were outmatched--but those characters have always been the more interesting ones to begin with, and so those actors had the upper hand since they had better material to work with.

                          I'd give this film an A+, right across the board, with one caveat: I think that in order to fully appreciate some aspects of this film, you pretty much have to have read the miniseries. A recent "motion-comic" DVD of The Watchmen, word for word and panel for panel from the miniseries, clocks in at almost six hours, whereas the film is half that. As such, some things, by necessity, had to be cut. For the most part, I think Snyder's cuts were smart ones--however, the one person in my group who hadn't read the comics was confused about a number of aspects, whereas the rest of us were all blown away, as we were able to follow it just fine, based on what we knew from reading it.

                          For fans familiar with the comics, it's easy to fill in the blanks because what they did include, they handled extremely well (except for Nixon's nose, which looked ridiculous). I have a feeling that the DVD version, which is going to be substantially longer--a la the Lord of the Rings Special Edition DVDs--is going to be even better, and a lot more approachable for those who didn't read the comics.

                          I urge everyone to go see this film--but to also read the comics, so that you can fully appreciate the brilliance that is Alan Moore. This is easily the most faithful adaptation of any comic book to the big screen, with panels and entire pages throughout the book recreated faithfully onscreen--including billboards, signs, graffiti, storefronts, you name it. And right across the board, every actor nailed their role. Simply amazing--I can't wait to see the extended version on DVD.
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                          Group: pota Message: 52053 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/8/2009
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                            WOW!  Thanks a lot Dave...and Kassidy too, for having the interview with Zina.  I'd always been curious as to whatever became of some of the lesser-known actors and actresses in the TV APES shows.
                             
                            Zach   
                             
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                            From: Dave B
                            Date: 03/08/09 09:15:24
                            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
                             

                            --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:

                            > By the way, what happened to the nice blonde that played Arn in the TV series?

                            Zina Bethune - you can find a fairly recent interview with her, here. You'll need to scroll down towards the bottom of the page to find the link.

                            <https://pota.v. kassidyrae. com/articles..html">

                            Dave

                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 52054 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
                            Subject: OT- watching the Watchmen
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                            Not going to go into a long review here, but to paint in broad strokes
                            I'd have to say that although it was a faithful adaptation, it was also
                            pretty lifeless. The action scenes were well done, but all the character
                            stuff just fell flat. I am glad to say though that contrary to my earlier
                            concerns, most of the casting worked except for Silk Spectre II (who was
                            very one dimensional) and Ozymandias (who was just to young looking for
                            the part).

                            Most of you have undoubtedly read that there's a significant change at
                            the ending, and this significantly detracts from the story and really
                            doesn't make a whole lot of sense considering what Ozymandias was trying
                            to accomplish. In fact, if anything it'd already heighten the political
                            tensions he was trying to relieve. Also, there's a bit tacked on after
                            the final conversation between Dr. Manhattan and Rorschach that's SO
                            heavy handed it ruins what just proceeded it. In fact, everything that
                            happened in Antarctica after the "event" was significantly changed from
                            the comic, and not for the better. Other changes to the comic script-
                            like having Lee Iacocca shot right between the eyes when the assassin was
                            gunning for Veidt- was a little too clever for it's own good.

                            I'm glad I saw it, and I don't feel it was a waste of my time. But I do
                            feel the criticisms that have been made about it are justified- $56
                            million dollar opening weekend or no.


                            Chris L.
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                            Group: pota Message: 52055 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
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                            Sal Mineo last Saturday night (in an episode I've seen before) as a big
                            time drug dealer. As I mentioned previously, he even made inane hippie
                            dialog like "Far out" work.

                            Also, Don (the other) Taylor both starred in and directed an episode of
                            Burke's Law last night. Repeats tonight in fact at 6PM on American Life
                            TV Network. A search on the IMDB shows that he directed 8 episodes, wrote
                            1, and starred in two. Speaking of which, I found the fact that he
                            directed this episode: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0533843/ an
                            interesting little coincidence.


                            Chris L.
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                            Group: pota Message: 52056 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
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                            There's a term for this ("swede") where you remake a film or scene as cheaply and inexpensively as possible. The You Tube/blog/vlog/Twitter/Facebook generation think the whole thing to be clever, but personally I find them a waste of time and bandwidth.
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            "LordTZer0@..." <LordTZer0@...> wrote: 
                             
                            >>Yeah, but have you seen this one?

                            _YouTube - Cornelius' Death_
                            (http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=7udDRgHJ6Wk& feature=related) <<
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                            Group: pota Message: 52057 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
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                            Is the Ape face an actual actor or an Apemania person? Looks like it's supposed to be Cornelius to me.
                             
                            Dave, could you post the other four as well?
                             
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            >>Thanks Dave! I assume that is the cover art of the UK Blu-Ray
                            release.

                            I like it better than the cover of the US release. <<
                             
                             
                            "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
                             
                            >>This email message is a notification to let you know that
                            a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
                            group.

                            File : /8990381x.jpg
                            Uploaded by : smugster2000 <smugster2000@ yahoo.com>
                            Description : UK Blue ray cover

                            You can access this file at the URL:
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                            Group: pota Message: 52058 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
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                            As there were no rare Apes figures in the original line, I'd say the best thing to do would be to introduce characters from other films to expand the line's playability like you said. I mean, we have General Ursus from BENEATH (who I still feel is the figure with the helmet, but I digress) but no one else. If Mego kept with their waves of five, it should have been Ursus, Nova, Brent, underground Taylor, and Zaius with his different outfit. They could have even done the Mutant Council as the third set.
                             
                            Any thoughts to reproducing the playsets/accessories?
                             
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            "Paul Clarke" <drmego@...> wrote:
                             
                            >>Hello Ape fans - I come in peace.

                            Last year I reproduced the four original Planet of the Apes
                            Megos for Diamond Select Toys. The plan was to mix up new
                            and vintage figures, but Fox did not allow DST to make any
                            figures outside of the first film.

                            Sales to retailers last year were not great but there were
                            no scarce vintage Mego Apes, like the Andorian and Romulan
                            to drive sales up.

                            Now that the actual figures are arriving in stores, it
                            will be interesting to see retailer's attitudes towards
                            the line. DST has a good relationship with Fox so I
                            am hopeful.

                            I think that the answer is to mix Apes with humans or
                            mutants so that we can get the most playability in the
                            line.

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                            Group: pota Message: 52059 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/8/2009
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                            Please keep me posted. I'd love to see all that stuff as I never had any of the "empty box" material. Started collecting them (I believe) in the summer of 1978 when they were all readily available and kept at it until around 1981 or so. Never did get the Boba Fett figure with the launching backpack though...
                             
                            I seem to remember Chewbacca being among the first four. If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say that Leia wasn't among the first four.
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            "Shane Miller" <masonverger12@...> wrote:
                             
                            >>Yes, I will have to do some digging, but I have just about all of
                            it.  They were Luke, R2D2, C3PO, and I think it was Leia (or it could have been Chewy) I'm sure that someone out there can correct me on that.  Got em XMas morning but had to wait a few months for their arrival and man after that, it was an adventure getting the rest of them! <<
                             
                            I wrote:
                             
                            >>You mean that you still have the actual "Empty Box" and
                            advertisements that came with it? I'd love to see a picture of everything- including the original four figures- if you're able to do that.
                             
                            BTW, what were the original four figures?<<


                            "Shane Miller" <masonverger12@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                             
                            >>Like many of you, I got that on Christmas
                            morning.  I wish I had the box the figures arrived in, but I have everything else. <<
                             
                             
                            I wrote:
                             
                            >>Ah, the old "Empty Box" promotion- absolutely
                            brilliant marketing. And for those of you wondering what I'm talking about:
                             
                            "Back in 1977, Kenner celebrated the launch of the original Star Wars movie with a truly unique item: the "Empty Box" promotion. With the runaway success of Star Wars and no time to produce their now-famous figures in time for the holidays, Kenner offered Star Wars fans an alternative: an “Empty Box” that included no figures, but instead contained a mail-in certificate that fans could redeem for four 3.75” Star Wars action figures by mail-- the very first Star Wars figures ever made. "
                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 52060 From: Dave B Date: 3/9/2009
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                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

                            >
                            > Dave, could you post the other four as well?


                            Frayed knot!

                            As far I'm aware the sequels are not available for individual purchase in any territory outside of the US. If that changes I'll let you know and post any appropriate A/W.

                            Dave
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                            Group: pota Message: 52061 From: Dave B Date: 3/9/2009
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                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > WOW! Thanks a lot Dave...and Kassidy too, for having the interview with Zina. I'd always been curious as to whatever became of some of the
                            lesser-known actors and actresses in the TV APES shows.


                            Then watch out for the next issue of Simian Scrolls. If things go to plan (and they NEVER do) We're hoping to have interviews with more guest-stars than you can shake a gnawed bone at!

                            Dave
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                            Group: pota Message: 52062 From: Dave B Date: 3/9/2009
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                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Not going to go into a long review here...

                            My review is even shorter...

                            Masterpiece!

                            Sure there were niggles but that's all they were, nit-picking, niggles and I'm confident the forthcoming extended-cut will address at least some of them. For the first time in as long as I can remember a movie I'm looking forward to seeing again.

                            Dave
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                            Group: pota Message: 52063 From: shanter2002 Date: 3/9/2009
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                            Kraik is also a star of another of my all time favourite series--Valley of the Dinosaurs, a mid 70s cartoon.Seriously, it's brilliant!John, Scrolls.
                            >
                            > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > WOW! Thanks a lot Dave...and Kassidy too, for having the interview with Zina. I'd always been curious as to whatever became of some of the
                            > lesser-known actors and actresses in the TV APES shows.
                            >
                            >
                            > Then watch out for the next issue of Simian Scrolls. If things go to plan (and they NEVER do) We're hoping to have interviews with more guest-stars than you can shake a gnawed bone at!
                            >
                            > Dave
                            >
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                            Group: pota Message: 52064 From: shanter2002 Date: 3/9/2009
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                            Is there any actual new news on 'Caesar/Genesis/Apes 7 ? It's very quiet out there and I can feel a descent into development hell coming on.John, Scrolls.
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                            Group: pota Message: 52065 From: James Date: 3/9/2009
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                            They were supposed to get approval to move forward sometime last month. Nothing has been reported so I don't know if it was approved or not.

                            IMBD lists it as a 2011 release but so far their is no one credited to it.


                            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Is there any actual new news on 'Caesar/Genesis/Apes 7 ? It's very quiet out there and I can feel a descent into development hell coming on.John, Scrolls.
                            >

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                            Group: pota Message: 52066 From: DoktorZira@aol.com Date: 3/9/2009
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                            One thing I noticed looking at you Wondercon pics was the hair on the forehead.
                            That piece is the most difficult.  It's traditionally been 6 to 8 inches long, because
                            it has to be combed back into the wig.  For that reason you don't want the wig to
                            be too thick at the top.  Too thin and there's not enough hair left to comb into.
                            Going "under the goo" is the alginate for the lifemask.
                             
                             
                            In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:44:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:
                            It's the generic Apemania Zira.  So...does it look foam-like and rubbery?


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                            Group: pota Message: 52067 From: jessica rotich Date: 3/9/2009
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                            Yes...thanks for that DoctorZira. I am reworking my wig now (it's too fluffy on top, so I have started to undo the hair to bring the fluff down)..and I'm going to be reweaving a new set of lace for the top part instead of bulking up a beard like I did before. I found some lace that is comparable to the beards I have purchased, so that's what I'll be monkeying on for the next couple of months.

                            Jess.

                            On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 1:13 PM, <DoktorZira@...> wrote:

                            One thing I noticed looking at you Wondercon pics was the hair on the forehead.
                            That piece is the most difficult. It's traditionally been 6 to 8 inches long, because
                            it has to be combed back into the wig. For that reason you don't want the wig to
                            be too thick at the top. Too thin and there's not enough hair left to comb into.
                            Going "under the goo" is the alginate for the lifemask.
                            In a message dated 3/8/2009 12:44:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:
                            It's the generic Apemania Zira. So...does it look foam-like and rubbery?


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                            Group: pota Message: 52068 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/9/2009
                            Subject: Re: OT: Peter Chernin leaving Fox
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                            Great actor, especially in Sideways. Worth checking out if you've never seen it.
                             
                            The first role I ever saw him in was as a homeless guy in NYPD Blue- which- if I remember correctly- was filmed on one of the same soundstages that PLANET was. I believe someone posted that little tidbit here several years back if memory serves.
                             
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            "Tim "apefan"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
                             
                            >>In fact, he told me personally that he was disappointed and blamed
                            it mostly on the script! <<
                             
                             
                            Jeff K. <veetus@earthlink. net> wrote:
                             
                            >>Giamatti is also the biggest Ape fan of the POTA2001 cast and the
                            only one who expressed regret about that film. <<
                             
                             
                            "Alex Ruiz" <pota1968@...> wrote:
                             
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                            Group: pota Message: 52069 From: Chris Lawless Date: 3/9/2009
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                            I plan on getting one of those LP to MP3 conversions turntables in the near future as well. For me personally, mainly because I have a TON of stuff that was never released on CD and I'd like to make a CDR in order to preserve the quality of the LP.
                             
                            Of course, if I was rich I'd be buying one of these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable. Right after that BENEATH mutant mask that's up on eBay...
                             
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            "LordTZer0@..." <LordTZer0@...> wrote:
                             
                            >>Seem like the only reason anyone buys
                            record players anymore is to convert their
                            records into MP3s. <<
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                            Group: pota Message: 52070 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 3/9/2009
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                            I bought one of those turntables at London Drugs on sale for $99.99
                            I just converted my 400 records to the computer
                            and just sold all my vinyl on ebay

                            Definitely recommended for albums that you cannot get on CD
                            I had quite a few of those as well
                             
                             

                            I plan on getting one of those LP to MP3 conversions turntables in the near future as well. For me personally, mainly because I have a TON of stuff that was never released on CD and I'd like to make a CDR in order to preserve the quality of the LP.
                             
                            Of course, if I was rich I'd be buying one of these: http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Laser_turntable. Right after that BENEATH mutant mask that's up on eBay...
                             
                             
                            Chris L.
                             
                             
                             
                            "LordTZer0@AOL. com" <LordTZer0@AOL. com> wrote:
                             
                            >>Seem like the only reason anyone buys
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                            Group: pota Message: 52071 From: Dave B Date: 3/10/2009
                            Subject: Let the revolution begin
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                            From BBC News

                            Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks

                            A male chimpanzee in a Swedish zoo planned hundreds of stone-throwing attacks on zoo visitors, according to researchers.

                            Keepers at Furuvik Zoo found that the chimp collected and stored stones that he would later use as missiles.

                            Further, the chimp learned to recognise how and when parts of his concrete enclosure could be pulled apart to fashion further projectiles.

                            The findings are reported in the journal Current Biology.

                            There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.

                            Crucial to the current study is the fact that Santino, a chimpanzee at the zoo in the city north of Stockholm, collected the stones in a calm state, prior to the zoo opening in the morning.

                            The launching of the stones occurred hours later - during dominance displays to zoo visitors - with Santino in an "agitated" state.

                            This suggests that Santino was anticipating a future mental state - an ability that has been difficult to definitively prove in animals, according to Mathias Osvath, a cognitive scientist from Lund University in Sweden and author of the new research.

                            "We've done experimental studies, and the chimps in my mind show very clearly that they do plan for future needs, but it has been argued that perhaps this was an experimental artefact," Dr Osvath told BBC News.

                            "Now we have this spontaneous behaviour, which is always in some sense better evidence."

                            Dr Osvath embarked on the study after zoo staff discovered caches of stones in the section of the enclosure facing the public viewing area.

                            Since the initial discovery in 1997, hundreds of the caches have been removed to protect visitors, to whom the caching and the aggressive displays seem strictly related; in the off season, Santino neither hoards the projectiles nor hurls them.

                            Most interestingly, Santino seems to have learned how to spot weak parts of the concrete "boulders" in the centre of the enclosure.

                            When water seeps into cracks in the concrete and freezes, portions become detached that make a hollow sound when tapped.

                            Santino was observed gently knocking on the "boulders", hitting harder to detach bits that were loosened and adding those to his stashes of ammunition.

                            There are a number of examples of complex behaviour in apes that suggest forms of consciousness.

                            Planning behaviour like that of the current work is connected to so-called autonoetic consciousness, where information due to memory can be distinguished from that from the senses.

                            "I'm personally convinced that at least chimps do plan for future needs, that they do have this autonoetic consciousness," Dr Osvath said.

                            "I hope that other zoos or those in the wild will look more closely at what is happening," he added.

                            "I bet there must be a lot of these kinds of behaviours out there, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find them in dolphins or other species."
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                            Group: pota Message: 52072 From: mezira09 Date: 3/10/2009
                            Subject: A Possible Prequel in the Works???
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                            Hey all,

                            I don't know how credible this is, but there might be a prequel to "Conquest" in the making.

                            Here's where I read about it:

                            http://chud.com/articles/articles/17231/1/SCOTT-FRANK-TELLS-CHUD-quotI039M-NOT-REMAKING-CONQUEST-OF-THE-PLANET-OF-THE-APESquot/Page1.html"
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                            Group: pota Message: 52073 From: James Date: 3/10/2009
                            Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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                            FYI

                             

                            Google News Alert for: "planet of the apes"

                            MTV.com

                            Darker 'Fantastic Four' Reboot In The Works?
                            MTV.com - USA
                            According to anonymous sources at IESB, the "Fantastic Four" film franchise could receive a complete overhaul alongside "Daredevil" and "Planet of the Apes ...
                            See all stories on this topic

                            IESB.NET

                            Exclusive: Fantastic Four is Getting the Boot...a Reboot that is
                            IESB.NET - Ontario,CA,USA
                            With Daredevil already getting the once over and Planet of the Apes also in the running for a new start with a prequel in the works Fantastic Four is ...
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                            Les Hemstock "Planet of the Apes" Statue of Liberty Prop: "For A ...
                            By Jason De Bord
                            A Statue of Liberty prop head owned by Les Hemstock, claimed to have been used in the filming of Planet of the Apes (1968), is now being advertised in conjunction with "The Hollywood Collectors & Celebrities Show" in April featuring ...
                            Original Prop Blog - http://www.originalprop.com/blog/

                            Film: Planet of the Apes
                            Channel 4 News - London,England,UK
                            Film: Planet of the Apes: Where's Tim Burton? His name is on the credits as director, but beyond a certain darkness, this new Planet Of The Apes lacks his ...
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                            Chimp 'Planned' Stone Attacks On Zoo Visitors
                            By The Huffington Post News Editors
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                            dancin with your mouth open: YET ANOTHER PREDICTION TO THE END OF ....
                            By dancinwithyourmouthopen.blogspot.com
                            There were the movies,"Planet of the Apes," "The Escape From New York," and of course, "The Warriors," and now pastor David Wilkerson predicts fires and riots to start in NY soon and have a domino effect throughout other cities in the ...
                            dancin with your mouth open - http://dancinwithyourmouthopen.blogspot.com/

                            againstathorn: Wondercon 09
                            By Robert
                            http://www.flickr.com/photos/toocute4potatoes/sets/72157614971983723/ By the way, the G.I. Joe entry won first place in the masquerade contest. I still think the Predator and Planet of the Apes woman both did a great job. ...
                            Attack of the Boom Mics - http://againstathorn.livejournal.com/

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                            Group: pota Message: 52074 From: shanter2002 Date: 3/10/2009
                            Subject: Re: New Movie?
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                            Well, I'm a lot more relaxed about a 2011 release as opposed to a rushed, half-assed 2009 release.It would be a dream to have an Apes movie done right and maybe, just maybe, if they start with a good script, rather than cut and paste like Burton's seemed to, it's got a chance.John, Scrolls.
                            >
                            >
                            > They were supposed to get approval to move forward sometime last month.
                            > Nothing has been reported so I don't know if it was approved or not.
                            >
                            > IMBD lists it as a 2011 release but so far their is no one credited to
                            > it.
                            >
                            >
                            > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Is there any actual new news on 'Caesar/Genesis/Apes 7 ? It's very
                            > quiet out there and I can feel a descent into development hell coming
                            > on.John, Scrolls.
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                            Group: pota Message: 52075 From: zasco1957 Date: 3/10/2009
                            Subject: Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
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                              I certainly will, thanks again!
                               
                              Zach   
                               
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                              From: Dave B
                              Date: 3/9/2009 2:58:46 AM
                              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Kraik rocks on
                               

                              --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote:

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                              > WOW! Thanks a lot Dave...and Kassidy too, for having the interview with Zina. I'd always been curious as to whatever became of some of the
                              lesser-known actors and actresses in the TV APES shows.

                              Then watch out for the next issue of Simian Scrolls. If things go to plan (and they NEVER do) We're hoping to have interviews with more guest-stars than you can shake a gnawed bone at!

                              Dave

                               
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                              Group: pota Message: 52076 From: Todd Mount Date: 3/10/2009
                              Subject: Re: Kenner Empty Box promo (was: P.O.T.A V's STAR WARS)
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                              That was the early bird kit with Luke, Leia, Chewbacca and R2D2.


                              From: Chris Lawless <lawford42@...>
                              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 7:11:17 PM
                              Subject: [pota] Kenner Empty Box promo (was: P.O.T.A V's STAR WARS)

                              Please keep me posted. I'd love to see all that stuff as I never had any of the "empty box" material. Started collecting them (I believe) in the summer of 1978 when they were all readily available and kept at it until around 1981 or so. Never did get the Boba Fett figure with the launching backpack though...
                               
                              I seem to remember Chewbacca being among the first four. If I had to make an educated guess, I'd say that Leia wasn't among the first four.
                               
                              Chris L.
                               
                               
                               
                              "Shane Miller" <masonverger12@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                               
                              >>Yes, I will have to do some digging, but I have just about all of
                              it.  They were Luke, R2D2, C3PO, and I think it was Leia (or it could have been Chewy) I'm sure that someone out there can correct me on that.  Got em XMas morning but had to wait a few months for their arrival and man after that, it was an adventure getting the rest of them! <<
                               
                              I wrote:
                               
                              >>You mean that you still have the actual "Empty Box" and
                              advertisements that came with it? I'd love to see a picture of everything- including the original four figures- if you're able to do that.
                               
                              BTW, what were the original four figures?<<


                              "Shane Miller" <masonverger12@ yahoo.com> wrote:
                               
                              >>Like many of you, I got that on Christmas
                              morning.  I wish I had the box the figures arrived in, but I have everything else. <<
                               
                               
                              I wrote:
                               
                              >>Ah, the old "Empty Box" promotion- absolutely
                              brilliant marketing. And for those of you wondering what I'm talking about:
                               
                              "Back in 1977, Kenner celebrated the launch of the original Star Wars movie with a truly unique item: the "Empty Box" promotion. With the runaway success of Star Wars and no time to produce their now-famous figures in time for the holidays, Kenner offered Star Wars fans an alternative: an "Empty Box" that included no figures, but instead contained a mail-in certificate that fans could redeem for four 3.75" Star Wars action figures by mail-- the very first Star Wars figures ever made. "
                               
                              from (http://www.rebelscu m.com/SW05earlyb irdkit.asp) 


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                              Group: pota Message: 52077 From: Dave B Date: 3/10/2009
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                              --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <john@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Well, I'm a lot more relaxed about a 2011 release as opposed to a rushed, half-assed 2009 release.It would be a dream to have an Apes movie done right and maybe, just maybe, if they start with a good script, rather than cut and paste like Burton's seemed to, it's got a chance.John, Scrolls.

                              Well, A decent script is certainly an excellent place to start but I still think it will boil down to the choice of director. It will need someone with enough clout enough to tell FOX to back off.

                              That narrows it down to about three :0)

                              Dave
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