James:

Thanks for that. Now I wonder: how likely is it that a spaceship that's submerged in water, like Icarus was, could be made functional using 38th Century Apes' technology, ancient manuals and spare parts, like the authors of Escape appear to have claimed that it was?

I should mention that this is relevant not just for the original 5 movies. As we recall, the 2001 reimagining concludes by suggesting that Thade perhaps recovered Leo's vessel from underwater and traveled back to Earth.

Of course, the executives at 20th Century Fox said the conclusion of the 2001 movie means whatever we want for it to. But the resurrection of the sunken vessel does seem like a reasonable inference, even if technologically unreasonable. Or is it?

In concluding, I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to Lake Powell, Utah (where the crash landing was filmed in 1967). Do feel free to visit http://www.LakePowell.com .

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> See below.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the link, Zach, but I can't seem to find contents at:
> >
> > http://www.ansanaut.com
> >
> > and even Archive.org doesn't have anything.
>
> This link should work:
> http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/tableofcontents.html"
> <http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/tableofcontents.html">
> >
> > Meanwhile James, your points make a good deal of sense. I think I can
> offer some POTENTIAL rebuttals though:
> >
> > 1) What if the dual rescue ships had computers that were
> interdependent in some way, to avoid losing contact or synchronicity. Or
> more realistically still for that era: to maximize scarce computer
> memory space in an era that made Pentium processors look
> ultra-futuristic? They DID want to avoid the confusing fate suffered by
> the Icarus ship, after all. Thus, if the computer was malfunctioning in
> one ship, it could have been down in the other? Didn't we see something
> akin to that happen to the invaders in the movie Independence Day? Next:
>
> Except that the line in the script is "Our computer is shot", singular.
> Not "Our computers are shot", plural.
> (https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_beneath_final.pdf
> <https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_beneath_final.pdf> Page 13)
>
> So if there is only one computer, there can only be one ship, not two.
>
> >
> > 2) Brent understandably didn't know how to get back with computer
> problems holding his ship back, so he made such comments when hearing
> Ursus' speech... The desperate nature of Brent's comments was likely
> intended to maximize audience's feelings of desperation and desire to
> make do with what they had.
>
> Since this arguement was predicated on the previous arguement that there
> were two computers, now that it has been proven there was only one
> computer; it is also invalid.
> >
> > So that seems to leave just the U.S. president's remarks to try and
> deal with, in attempting to defend the potentially face-saving dual
> rescue ship theory. Without seeing his exact wording, I'm intellectually
> cornered.
>
> You can see the exact wording here:
> https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_escape_final_1.pdf
> <https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_escape_final_1.pdf> on page 27.
> Note the President says the ship is one of two missing ships, not one of
> three.
>
> >
> > Maybe the president said that the Apes in Escape used a ship [like
> that] used by Colonel George Taylor?
> >
> No he says "To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel Taylor". So he is
> being pretty specific that the ship the Apes used was Taylor's.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>No he says "To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel Taylor".
>So he is being pretty specific that the ship the Apes used
>was Taylor's.

Yeah, this is pretty cut and dry. It's Taylor's ship.

--"georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:

>Thanks for that. Now I wonder: how likely is it
>that a spaceship that's submerged in water, like Icarus
>was, could be made functional using 38th Century Apes'
>technology, ancient manuals and spare parts, like the
>authors of Escape appear to have claimed that it was?

Admittedly, it's not possible. and as much as I love the third film, it has one of the biggest improbabilities of all five films (the least probable, in my opinion, being that the apes would acquire higher intelligence, speech and culture in under two decades). The ship (which, according to the short film on the Blu-Ray release, is called Liberty-1), should not have been able to be DISCOVERED, let alone brought back to the surface, dragged to shore, repaired, launched and taken to orbit. But since I love the film, the only thing to do is to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend that's not the case.

>I should mention that this is relevant not just for the
>original 5 movies. As we recall, the 2001 reimagining
>concludes by suggesting that Thade perhaps recovered
>Leo's vessel from underwater and traveled back to Earth.

Actually, the film never suggests that--it leaves him in the desert, sitting trapped in the Oberon, and never reveals how he got to Earth. Some fans have suggested he managed to get one of the remaining pods on the station working...which also isn't that probable, but makes the most sense, in my opinion. Had the Dark Horse series not been canceled, it would have eventually explained that one.

Hi Rassmguy:
Thanks for your insights. Regarding:

"Had the Dark Horse series not been canceled, it would have eventually
explained that one."

What's the Dark Horse series? Perhaps a comic book series?

Have a refreshing & relaxing weekend, everyone...

I posted here a couple weeks ago about inadvertently finding an Easter Egg on the POTA and I couldn't find a way back to it.

I finally got the info I needed to get the Easter Egg from someone on the Home Theater Forum. Here is the way:

Click Special Features, then click The Archives of the Apes, and find
Vintage Planet of the Apes Featurette [1968]. Push the 'right' button
of your remote, and the banana picture will show. Select the Banana picture and you will see the Mego POTA commercial.



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From: Alex Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:12 PM

Subject: [pota] POTA vs. The Robe

Just saw "The Robe" on Blu-ray.

Looks good but nowhere near the quality of the Planet of the Apes films on blu-ray. Not even close.

 

Any word on when "The Ten Commandments" comes out on Blu-ray?

Now that I'm really looking forward to.

 

Al

 

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:

>
> In concluding, I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to Lake Powell, Utah (where the crash landing was filmed in 1967). Do feel free to visit http://www.LakePowell.com .

Are the locals aware of their Hollywood history?

Dave

>Had the Dark Horse series?
>Posted by: "georgetaylor68" georgetaylor68@... georgetaylor68
>"Had the Dark Horse series not been canceled, it would have eventually
>explained that one."
>What's the Dark Horse series? Perhaps a comic book series?

Dark Horse had a comic book series based on the Burton film, and
there were also several novels. You can find details from all of
these stories, including several not published, in a Planet of the
Apes timeline book at hassleinbooks.com [FULL DISCLOSURE: I wrote it].

Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 8:31 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Is the logical leap from "Beneath" to "Escape" explainable by Brent's DUAL ship?

No darn it.  That's one of my favorite films.  I know the previous release was most done in the digital domain, not film.  I would guess that would mean they might have to go back and do a new transfer and digital enhancement for Blu-ray.  The film is so popular and continues to be a high ratings grabber on Network TV it calls for a new HD transfer. It would also be nice if more can be found as bonus material. I have the script and I know there are scenes that were filmed but cut from the final release.  The script also has a fantastic prolog that was never film due to expense (the formation of the pillar of fire (God) which in turns creates the Earth). That unfilmed beginning could easily be made now, digitally.  It would be nice if they did it as a bonus piece with the option of viewing it with the film since it was planned but not done due to lack of budget.  They could always get permission from the Demille family, and approval. - Scott B --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote: From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> Subject: [pota] POTA vs. The Robe To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 6:12 PM Just saw "The Robe" on Blu-ray. Looks good but nowhere near the quality of the Planet of the Apes films on blu-ray. Not even close.   Any word on when "The Ten Commandments" comes out on Blu-ray? Now that I'm really looking forward to.   Al

ANSA could be a division of NASA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
>
> But how could it be Taylor's ship when Taylor was with ANSA, but the president said the
> NASA experts was giving the ship the once over, did said the one commanded by
> Colonel Taylor.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> James:
>
> Thanks for that. Now I wonder: how likely is it that a spaceship that's submerged in water, like Icarus was, could be made functional using 38th Century Apes' technology, ancient manuals and spare parts, like the authors of Escape appear to have claimed that it was?
>
As likely as Apes learning how to talk and rule the world or as likely as interstellar travel using 1970s technology or time travel or mutants worshiping a 20th century nuclear bomb and having mind control powers.

Or for that matter as likely as Superman being able to fly or the Force binding the universe together or a flying Delorean being able to time travel or Spock rising from the dead.

For me, the operative word in Science Fiction is fiction.

Actually, for me, the ship being discovered is the least improbable part of the whole scenario. One possibility could be that after it sunk underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide. Discovering the ship is the easy part. Salvaging it and relaunching it would seem to be the hard part to me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
>
> The ship (which, according to the short film on the Blu-Ray release, is called Liberty-1), should not have been able to be DISCOVERED,

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Hi Dave:
To answer your question, although during my self-described POTA tour of Lake Powell back in August of 1992 I only interacted with employees of the tour companies there, I do think they were aware of their POTA heritage. However, they said at the time that expressions of POTA interest were rare. The Patrick Swayze movie Point Break (which had recently come out after being filmed there in part) was more the rage. And churchgoers were interested in "The Greatest Story Ever Told" heritage, as it was filmed there decades before, as well. I nevertheless had a delightful time. And believe it or not, a Linda Hamilton look-alike who worked there actually asked me out for the evening and during our fun date she said she was amused by my unique enthusiasm about the place's POTA heritage. Now, thanks to the Tim Burton movie (like it or not), my guess is that POTA inquiries are more common. Forbidden Zone scenes were filmed not too far from there, and it helped revive the franchise too (like the overall DVD sales).

Have a great weekend :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
>
> >
> > In concluding, I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to Lake Powell, Utah (where the crash landing was filmed in 1967). Do feel free to visit http://www.LakePowell.com .
>
> Are the locals aware of their Hollywood history?
>
> Dave
>

Okay, that is true--its discovery is less improbable than what we're supposed to believe came next.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> Actually, for me, the ship being discovered is the least improbable part
> of the whole scenario. One possibility could be that after it sunk
> underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got
> caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide.
> Discovering the ship is the easy part. Salvaging it and relaunching it
> would seem to be the hard part to me.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The ship (which, according to the short film on the Blu-Ray release,
> is called Liberty-1), should not have been able to be DISCOVERED,
>

Well said!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> As likely as Apes learning how to talk and rule the world or as likely
> as interstellar travel using 1970s technology or time travel or mutants
> worshiping a 20th century nuclear bomb and having mind control powers.
>
> Or for that matter as likely as Superman being able to fly or the Force
> binding the universe together or a flying Delorean being able to time
> travel or Spock rising from the dead.
>
> For me, the operative word in Science Fiction is fiction.
>

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 7:23 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Digest Number 4428

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"Yeap, Netflix has it. Looks like I'm headed for a Space Academy
Marathon. lol :o)

Al"

Don't waste you Netflix subscription: You may not like what you find.

-- Rory

"Just saw "The Robe" on Blu-ray. Looks good but nowhere near the
quality of the Planet of the Apes films on blu-ray. Not even close.
Any word on when "The Ten Commandments" comes out on Blu-ray? Now that
I'm really looking forward to.

Al"

I wasn't expecting it to look as good as APES, but sometimes it came
close to looking as good as PLANET, but if you've seen the original DVD
of THE ROBE, what they've released on Blu-ray is a miracle.

As for THE TEN COMMANDMENTS (which is a Paramount Picture).... Even on
Blu-ray, I wouldn't expect anything that'll look much better than THE
ROBE now looks, but COMMANDMENTS was shot in VistaVision and so will
fill up the entire 16X9 screen and look pretty damn good. As for when
a Blu-ray will happen? Has Paramount released much of their older
titles on Blu-ray yet? With the recession, the studios are really
cutting down on their release schedules. Even on standard DVD, Fox has
hardly anything coming out this Spring. I was hoping we'd finally get
RIO CONCHOS on DVD, but no yet again.

-- Rory

"...as I love the third film, it has one of the biggest improbabilities
of all five films (the least probable, in my opinion, being that the
apes would acquire higher intelligence, speech and culture in under two
decades). The ship (which, according to the short film on the Blu-Ray
release, is called Liberty-1), should not have been able to be
DISCOVERED, let alone brought back to the surface, dragged to shore,
repaired, launched and taken to orbit. But since I love the film, the
only thing to do is to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend that's
not the case."

That's the biggest improbabilitity?!!!

I think being hit by a shockwave of
"whatever-that-shockwave-was-made-of" and then hurdled 2000 years back
in time and safely landing back on earth (well the ocean actually, and
I guess the amazing Dr. Milo had the forethought to also make the ship
watertight this time) has the improbability factor beat by many light
years.

-- Rory

"Well, I know this year is the 50th anniversary of "Ben Hur". Should be
something in that "arena" soon."

MGM has big Blu-ray releases scheduled for the end of this year for
GONE WITH THE WIND and that WIZARD OF OZ thing, but sadly... nothing
for HUR. (Ha Ha! Get it, "nothing for HUR")

-- Rory

"I've always liked Ten Commandments more than Ben Hur. TC is pure
poetry in motion. From the script to directing. Awesome."

No offense meant on your taste, Al -- I like it too -- but TC is a camp
fest, a true piece of cinema kitsch if ever there was one! I find it
very hard to take seriously, especially the way Ann Baxter plays it.
Oh boy!

-- Rory

"Actually, for me, the ship being discovered is the least improbable
part of the whole scenario. One possibility could be that after it sunk
underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got
caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide.
Discovering the ship is the easy part. Salvaging it and relaunching it
would seem to be the hard part to me."

Yeah, like what did they use for rocket fuel, ripe banana peels?

-- Rory

See, I can accept that more easily, because time warps are a staple aspect of science fiction, and are already a part of Planet of the Apes. But there's absolutely no logic whatsoever behind Milo doing what he's said to have done.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> That's the biggest improbabilitity?!!! I think being hit by a shockwave of "whatever-that-shockwave-was-made-of" and then hurdled 2000 years back in time and safely landing back on earth (well the ocean actually, and I guess the amazing Dr. Milo had the forethought to also make the ship watertight this time) has the improbability factor beat by many light years.
> -- Rory
>

-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:12 pm
Subject: [pota] LakePowell.com and my 1992 summer interaction with the
locals r/e POTA

"To answer your question, although during my self-described POTA tour
of Lake Powell back in August of 1992 I only interacted with employees
of the tour companies there, I do think they were aware of their POTA
heritage. However, they said at the time that expressions of POTA
interest were rare. The Patrick Swayze movie Point Break (which had
recently come out after being filmed there in part) was more the rage.
And churchgoers were interested in "The Greatest Story Ever Told"
heritage, as it was filmed there decades before, as well. I
nevertheless had a delightful time. And believe it or not, a Linda
Hamilton look-alike who worked there actually asked me out for the
evening and during our fun date she said she was amused by my unique
enthusiasm about the place's POTA heritage. Now, thanks to the Tim
Burton movie (like it or not), my guess is that POTA inquiries are more
common. Forbidden Zone scenes were filmed not too far from there, and
it helped revive the franchise too (like the overall DVD sales)."

Yeah, I went there in '87 and then again in '91 or '92, can't remember.
One guy I talked to was puzzled that I'd be interested in the area
because parts of PLANET were shot there, but most people find
movie-geek obsession rather strange. Screw 'em. I took more than the
boat tour though, where they did mention as we passed the area were
"Charlton Heston's spaceship sank in POTA," i also rented a boat and
swam in the spot were the ship sinking was shot. The level of the lake
was much higher then than in 1967, so I couldn't find the spot were the
astronauts brought the rafy ashore, but I was able to hike to the spots
were they found the plant and such. Someday I'll scan the photos I
took -- if I can find them!

One of the bad things about going there though is that it kind of
destroyed the "mystique" of the entire setting in the film. When I was
a kid, I didn't know where these places were, and so they only existed
in the film and were "real," but not anymore sadly.

-- Rory

It is only sci-fi remember!!!
What ape doesn't like bananna's ?????
Mark :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "...as I love the third film, it has one of the biggest improbabilities
> of all five films (the least probable, in my opinion, being that the
> apes would acquire higher intelligence, speech and culture in under two
> decades). The ship (which, according to the short film on the Blu-Ray
> release, is called Liberty-1), should not have been able to be
> DISCOVERED, let alone brought back to the surface, dragged to shore,
> repaired, launched and taken to orbit. But since I love the film, the
> only thing to do is to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend that's
> not the case."
>
> That's the biggest improbabilitity?!!!
>
> I think being hit by a shockwave of
> "whatever-that-shockwave-was-made-of" and then hurdled 2000 years back
> in time and safely landing back on earth (well the ocean actually, and
> I guess the amazing Dr. Milo had the forethought to also make the ship
> watertight this time) has the improbability factor beat by many light
> years.
>
> -- Rory
>

"See, I can accept that more easily, because time warps are a staple
aspect of science fiction, and are already a part of Planet of the
Apes. But there's absolutely no logic whatsoever behind Milo doing what
he's said to have done."

Actually, a time warp wasn't part wasn't part of POTA until Dehn
introduced it with ESCAPE, although he (or at least Brent) does seem
confused about the issue in BENEATH (another reason that movie is a
mess), but anyway, Taylor did not get to the future earth (AKA the
planet of the apes) via a time warp.

Where's Patrick when you need him, he'd be better at explaining this --
not that I'm wishing he were here!

-- Rory

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Icarus could have used kerosene or ammonia for rocket fuel, couldn't it? A rocket scientist (literally) told me that either are used with some frequency nowadays, for launching purposes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "Actually, for me, the ship being discovered is the least improbable
> part of the whole scenario. One possibility could be that after it sunk
> underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got
> caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide.
> Discovering the ship is the easy part. Salvaging it and relaunching it
> would seem to be the hard part to me."
>
> Yeah, like what did they use for rocket fuel, ripe banana peels?
>
> -- Rory
>

Something better than man. Well that might well be true, but I dare anyone to find a better POTA book than Rich Handley's (spelled right this time, Rich'll know what I mean) Timeline of the Planet of the Apes. Rich waded through tons of Apes stuff, even the Argentinian comics! A very fun read and just insane with details, this book needs to be read by all Apes fans!

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No more improbable than talking apes.

 

 

In a message dated 3/28/2009 12:02:54 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

"Actually, for me, the ship being discovered is the least improbable
part of the whole scenario. One possibility could be that after it sunk
underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got
caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide.
Discovering the ship is the easy part. Salvaging it and relaunching it
would seem to be the hard part to me."

Yeah, like what did they use for rocket fuel, ripe banana peels?

-- Rory

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Yeah, or there was a change in salinity that made the ship more buoyant.

Or a change in temperature caused the like to turn over.  Any number of things.

 

 

In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:28:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

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I don't know of any rockets that use kerosene. He may have meant hydrazine. the retros on the shuttle and satellites use hydrazine, which give you the most bang for the buck weight wise. It's made from the same industrial chemistry processes as ammonia. The smaller ones use solid fuel like the boosters on the shuttle.  The main engine is good ol' liquid hydrogen and oxygen.  The most improbable rocket fuel was that thing in the X Prize that used some sort of nitrous from ground up tires.  Anyone know anything about that?  Jet packs use really strong hydrogen peroxide and a catalyst, but one man can only carry about 30 seconds worth.

 

In a message dated 3/28/2009 5:57:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

Icarus could have used kerosene or ammonia for rocket fuel, couldn't it? A rocket scientist (literally) told me that either are used with some frequency nowadays, for launching purposes.

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I totally agree with you on this Al.  It is the acting, the gestures, the lines and look of the film that make it so memorable and makes it a pleasure to come back and see it again and again.  Unlike so many film done today with no talent actors, bad lines and crude unprofessional color. When films turn too gritty what they gain in being "real" they lose in the magic that is movies.  There is a mixed up way of thinking now which prevails that "real" is movie making - not true.  That's documentary film-making.  The suspension of belief is part of the joy enjoying movies the craft in film-making is somehow convincing the audience to over look the impossibilities and accept what they see as if it were real.  To be over taken by the grander, the possibility, through lines that state more than the usual spoken word.  Sights filled with color beauty and carefully captured images that portray the story.  And finally, music that fills in the emotional aspect touch us on a level the sights and words can't. The Ten Commandments is art and the original magic that was the movies.  If I can still believe and accept talking ape with time warps, sunken spaceships reused and sparkling teeth on Nova, I can accept flowery lines of dialog, big stages scenes, and acting as broad as the sights depicted.  Like there are different ways to paint a canvas, wet, dry, brush, and or knife - there is The Ten Commandments. - Scott B. --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote: From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA vs. The Robe To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:26 PM That is blasphemy, Sir! :o)   No seriously, I like Ten Commandments because it's truely an epic film in every sense of the word. Very few films are like it. While a lot of films are labeled as epic, they come nowhere near the epic scale of Ten Commandments. "It's Unreal. Over the Top" which makes it so grand and epic. That's the beauty of it. ;o)   Al  From: "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:56:11 PM Subject: [pota] Re: POTA vs. The Robe "I've always liked Ten Commandments more than Ben Hur. TC is pure poetry in motion. From the script to directing. Awesome." No offense meant on your taste, Al -- I like it too -- but TC is a camp fest, a true piece of cinema kitsch if ever there was one! I find it very hard to take seriously, especially the way Ann Baxter plays it. Oh boy! -- Rory

I wrote a short story called Salvage that would make a great comic. Tells how Milo using his tech got it up and repaired.   "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> wrote: From: LordTZer0@... <LordTZer0@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel impossible for 38th ... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 4:44 AM   Yeah, or there was a change in salinity that made the ship more buoyant. Or a change in temperature caused the like to turn over.  Any number of things.     In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:28:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes: One possibility could be that after it sunk underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide. A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!

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Welcome back Rob!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rhob1960@...> wrote:
>
> Something better than man. Well that might well be true, but I dare anyone to find a better POTA book than Rich Handley's (spelled right this time, Rich'll know what I mean) Timeline of the Planet of the Apes. Rich waded through tons of Apes stuff, even the Argentinian comics! A very fun read and just insane with details, this book needs to be read by all Apes fans!
>

I would assume they used whatever rocket fuel that was left in the ship's fuel tanks. When the ship sinks Taylor says, "OK We're here to stay". That infers that if the ship hadn't sunk they would have the option of leaving the planet; so there must have been fuel enough left in the tanks to allow for that contingency.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, like what did they use for rocket fuel, ripe banana peels?
>
> -- Rory
>

Exactly my point!. If you can expect talking Apes (which is a scientific impossibilty) and all the crazy stuff in Beneath; why can't people accept Dr. Milo finding and relaunching Taylor's ship.

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Yes any number of factors could have affected Taylor's ship which made it possible for Dr. Milo to find the ship.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
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> Yeah, or there was a change in salinity that made the ship more buoyant.
> Or a change in temperature caused the like to turn over. Any number of
> things.
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> In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:28:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
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> One possibility could be that after it sunk underwater currents could have
> dragged it closer to shore where is got caught on a sand bar and then
> uncovered during a period of low tide.
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Cool. If I ask nicely would you share it with us?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rob <rhob1960@...> wrote:
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> I wrote a short story called Salvage that would make a great comic. Tells how Milo using his tech got it up and repaired.
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>  
> "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."
>  
> Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman
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> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, LordTZer0@... LordTZer0@... wrote:
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> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 4:44 AM
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>  
> Yeah, or there was a change in salinity that made the ship more buoyant.
> Or a change in temperature caused the like to turn over.  Any number of things.
>  
>  
>
> In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:28:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
> One possibility could be that after it sunk underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide.
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I accept it. Milo was the Einstein of the Apes. If it hadn't been for those Orangutangs, the Apes might have never had that war, since the chimps would have figured out how to travel better and grow more crops. Maybe they even would have made peace with the Mutants.   "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel impossible for 38th ... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:40 PM Exactly my point!. If you can expect talking Apes (which is a scientific impossibilty) and all the crazy stuff in Beneath; why can't people accept Dr. Milo finding and relaunching Taylor's ship. --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote: > > > No more improbable than talking apes. > > >

Who says the ship used fuel? There isn't a fuel available that could make a ship reach near light speeds. that leaves FUSION power. "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel impossible for 38th Century Apes? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:35 PM I would assume they used whatever rocket fuel that was left in the ship's fuel tanks. When the ship sinks Taylor says, "OK We're here to stay". That infers that if the ship hadn't sunk they would have the option of leaving the planet; so there must have been fuel enough left in the tanks to allow for that contingency. --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote: > > > Yeah, like what did they use for rocket fuel, ripe banana peels? > > -- Rory >

Thanks. "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Somewhere in the universe there has to be... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:37 PM Welcome back Rob! --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rhob1960@...> wrote: > > Something better than man. Well that might well be true, but I dare anyone to find a better POTA book than Rich Handley's (spelled right this time, Rich'll know what I mean) Timeline of the Planet of the Apes. Rich waded through tons of Apes stuff, even the Argentinian comics! A very fun read and just insane with details, this book needs to be read by all Apes fans! >

Why Soitenly, nyuck, nyuck...   "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel impossible for 38th ... To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:46 PM Cool. If I ask nicely would you share it with us? --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rob <rhob1960@...> wrote: > > I wrote a short story called Salvage that would make a great comic. Tells how Milo using his tech got it up and repaired. > > >   > "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime." >   > Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman > > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, LordTZer0@... LordTZer0@... wrote: > > > From: LordTZer0@... LordTZer0@... > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel impossible for 38th ... > To: pota@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 4:44 AM > > > > > > > >   > Yeah, or there was a change in salinity that made the ship more buoyant. > Or a change in temperature caused the like to turn over.  Any number of things. >   >   > > In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:28:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes: > One possibility could be that after it sunk underwater currents could have dragged it closer to shore where is got caught on a sand bar and then uncovered during a period of low tide. > > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! >

If anyone cares to, I uploaded all three of my original POTA stories (one deals with the TV series) in the Fan fiction section of the groups page. They're in the ROB M file. Enjoy, please post some comments.

Well said, in back to the future i believe any old rubbish was put in the car to give it fuel.
The only draw back to this is when it came back to earth nobody batted an eyelid at seeing it or anything said about how it was fueled????
Mark
:)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Rob <rhob1960@...> wrote:
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> Who says the ship used fuel? There isn't a fuel available that could make a ship reach near light speeds. that leaves FUSION power.
>
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> "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."
>
> Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman
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> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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> From: James <JamesA1102@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel impossible for 38th Century Apes?
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 1:35 PM
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> I would assume they used whatever rocket fuel that was left in the ship's fuel tanks. When the ship sinks Taylor says, "OK We're here to stay". That infers that if the ship hadn't sunk they would have the option of leaving the planet; so there must have been fuel enough left in the tanks to allow for that contingency.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
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You're welcome, George...maybe Chris' servers are down.  I'll check with him about it.   Zach    -------Original Message-------   From: georgetaylor68 Date: 3/26/2009 9:08:32 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Is the logical leap from "Beneath" to "Escape" explainable by Brent's DUAL ship?   Good morning Zach: Thanks for the follow-up. Unfortunately nothing turned up for that URL either. -- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@. ..> wrote: > > Okay, George, please try this one: > > > > http://www.goingfas ter.com/icarus/ tableofcontents/ HTML > > > > Zach > > > > -------Original Message----- -- > > > > From: georgetaylor68 > > Date: 03/25/09 22:03:31 > > To: pota@yahoogroups. com > > Subject: [pota] Re: Is the logical leap from "Beneath" to "Escape" > explainable by Brent's DUAL ship? > > > > Thanks for the link, Zach, but I can't seem to find contents at: > > > > http://www.ansanaut .com > > > > and even Archive.org doesn't have anything. > > > > Meanwhile James, your points make a good deal of sense. I think I can offer > some POTENTIAL rebuttals though: > > > > 1) What if the dual rescue ships had computers that were interdependent in > some way, to avoid losing contact or synchronicity. Or more realistically > still for that era: to maximize scarce computer memory space in an era that > made Pentium processors look ultra-futuristic? They DID want to avoid the > confusing fate suffered by the Icarus ship, after all. Thus, if the computer > was malfunctioning in one ship, it could have been down in the other? Didn't > we see something akin to that happen to the invaders in the movie > Independence Day? Next: > > > > 2) Brent understandably didn't know how to get back with computer problems > holding his ship back, so he made such comments when hearing Ursus' speech.. > The desperate nature of Brent's comments was likely intended to maximize > audience's feelings of desperation and desire to make do with what they had. > After all, in the seminal book Monkey Planet, the suspense was diluted by > the presence of a ship on orbit (which I vaguely recall from reading that > book a couple of decades ago, literally unable to put it down until the very > end). Stress is the mother of innovation, and audiences needed stimulating. > 5 centuries ago Hernan Cortez figured he could conquer Mexico if he burned > his own ships, thereby forcing his crew members (many of whom had been in > prison) to make do with what they had. It may be that Dr. Milo was able to > salvage" the ship's network using his supply of trinkets and salvaged > computer parts (some of which were advanced, relative to what Brent had > depended upon). > > > > So that seems to leave just the U.S. president's remarks to try and deal > with, in attempting to defend the potentially face-saving dual rescue ship > theory. Without seeing his exact wording, I'm intellectually cornered. > Perhaps part of what the president said didn't get transmitted, just as Neil > Armstrong's famous words got cut off midway, leaving us with merely: > > > > "That's one small step for [SIC] man; one giant leap for mankind." > > > > Maybe the president said that the Apes in Escape used a ship [like that] > used by Colonel George Taylor? > > > > To paraphrase the Lawgiver at the end of Battle: who knows? :-) > > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@> wrote: > > > > > > George, this is exactly what Chris Shields has on his site. Please check > > > out www.ansanaut. com. >

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You said it, Rob!  His was the BEST Timeline ever.   Zach    -------Original Message-------   From: Rob Date: 3/28/2009 8:39:12 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Somewhere in the universe there has to be...   Something better than man. Well that might well be true, but I dare anyone to find a better POTA book than Rich Handley's (spelled right this time, Rich'll know what I mean) Timeline of the Planet of the Apes. Rich waded through tons of Apes stuff, even the Argentinian comics! A very fun read and just insane with details, this book needs to be read by all Apes fans!

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That's pretty damn funny.   "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> Subject: [pota] Forum of the Apes at the NEC, Birmingham. video link. To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "POTA" <pota@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 3:41 PM Enjoy!!   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8fEtzBZDc   Jessica.

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Well, as I've said before, I find it best not to think about this
stuff. I guess some find it "fun" to try and make some implausibility
plausible, but I find that mostly just makes things even sillier. POTA
got sillier the more they tried to tie it in a loop. The original is
best because its backstory, and I'm talking before there were any
sequels, was ambiguous. I remember very much how much fun it was to
ponder how the planet of the apes came into being. The sequels after
BENEATH (which are also prequels if you except the time loop view) are
kind of spoilers.

-- Rory

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 1:42 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Was resurrecting the sunken Icarus vessel
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Yes any number of factors could have affected Taylor's ship which made
it possible for Dr. Milo to find the ship.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Yeah, or there was a change in salinity that made the ship more
buoyant.
> Or a change in temperature caused the like to turn over. Any
number of
> things.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/27/2009 8:28:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> One possibility could be that after it sunk underwater currents
could have
> dragged it closer to shore where is got caught
on a sand bar and
then
> uncovered during a period of low tide.
>
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>>From BBC News

Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks

A male chimpanzee in a Swedish zoo planned hundreds of stone-throwing attacks on zoo visitors, according to researchers.

Keepers at Furuvik Zoo found that the chimp collected and stored stones that he would later use as missiles.

Further, the chimp learned to recognise how and when parts of his concrete enclosure could be pulled apart to fashion further projectiles.

The findings are reported in the journal Current Biology.

There has been scant evidence in previous research that animals can plan for future events.

Crucial to the current study is the fact that Santino, a chimpanzee at the zoo in the city north of Stockholm, collected the stones in a calm state, prior to the zoo opening in the morning.

The launching of the stones occurred hours later - during dominance displays to zoo visitors - with Santino in an "agitated" state.

This suggests that Santino was anticipating a future mental state - an ability that has been difficult to definitively prove in animals, according to Mathias Osvath, a cognitive scientist from Lund University in Sweden and author of the new research.

"We've done experimental studies, and the chimps in my mind show very clearly that they do plan for future needs, but it has been argued that perhaps this was an experimental artefact," Dr Osvath told BBC News.

"Now we have this spontaneous behaviour, which is always in some sense better evidence."

Dr Osvath embarked on the study after zoo staff discovered caches of stones in the section of the enclosure facing the public viewing area.

Since the initial discovery in 1997, hundreds of the caches have been removed to protect visitors, to whom the caching and the aggressive displays seem strictly related; in the off season, Santino neither hoards the projectiles nor hurls them.

Most interestingly, Santino seems to have learned how to spot weak parts of the concrete "boulders" in the centre of the enclosure.

When water seeps into cracks in the concrete and freezes, portions become detached that make a hollow sound when tapped.

Santino was observed gently knocking on the "boulders", hitting harder to detach bits that were loosened and adding those to his stashes of ammunition.

There are a number of examples of complex behaviour in apes that suggest forms of consciousness.

Planning behaviour like that of the current work is connected to so-called autonoetic consciousness, where information due to memory can be distinguished from that from the senses.

"I'm personally convinced that at least chimps do plan for future needs, that they do have this autonoetic consciousness, " Dr Osvath said.

"I hope that other zoos or those in the wild will look more closely at what is happening," he added.

"I bet there must be a lot of these kinds of behaviours out there, and I wouldn't be surprised if we find them in dolphins or other species." <<<.html

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More like CONFUSION.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Alex Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 12:24 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA vs. The Robe

I completely agree with.

I think one of the things that caused such a major shift in film making was that back in the day it was adults that ruled the boxoffice.

And now it's just the complete opposite. Today it's kids that make hollywood rich. Unfortunately.

 

Al

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From: scott bosco <digitalcinema@ yahoo.com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 7:29:54 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA vs. The Robe

I totally agree with you on this Al.  It is the acting, the gestures, the lines and look of the film that make it so memorable and makes it a pleasure to come back and see it again and again.  Unlike so many film done today with no talent actors, bad lines and crude unprofessional color. When films turn too gritty what they gain in being "real" they lose in the magic that is movies.  There is a mixed up way of thinking now which prevails that "real" is movie making - not true.  That's documentary film-making.  The suspension of belief is part of the joy enjoying movies the craft in film-making is somehow convincing the audience to over look the impossibilities and accept what they see as if it were real.  To be over taken by the grander, the possibility, through lines that state more than the usual spoken word.  Sights filled with color beauty and carefully captured images that portray the story.  And finally, music that fills in the emotional aspect touch us on a level the sights and words can't. The Ten Commandments is art and the original magic that was the movies.  If I can still believe and accept talking ape with time warps, sunken spaceships reused and sparkling teeth on Nova, I can accept flowery lines of dialog, big stages scenes, and acting as broad as the sights depicted.  Like there are different ways to paint a canvas, wet, dry, brush, and or knife - there is The Ten Commandments. - Scott B. --- On Sat, 3/28/09, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@yahoo. com> wrote: From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@yahoo. com> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA vs. The Robe To: pota@yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 5:26 PM That is blasphemy, Sir! :o)   No seriously, I like Ten Commandments because it's truely an epic film in every sense of the word. Very few films are like it. While a lot of films are labeled as epic, they come nowhere near the epic scale of Ten Commandments. "It's Unreal. Over the Top" which makes it so grand and epic. That's the beauty of it. ;o)   Al  From: "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 12:56:11 PM Subject: [pota] Re: POTA vs. The Robe "I've always liked Ten Commandments more than Ben Hur. TC is pure poetry in motion. From the script to directing. Awesome." No offense meant on your taste, Al -- I like it too -- but TC is a camp fest, a true piece of cinema kitsch if ever there was one! I find it very hard to take seriously, especially the way Ann Baxter plays it. Oh boy! -- Rory

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Salvage is it! Good old Milo...   "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] FW: New file uploaded to pota To: "POTA Group" <Pota@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:37 PM Thanks again Rob! I guess this is the story of how Milo salvaged the ship.     > -----Original Message----- > From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com [pota-owner@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Yahoo! Groups Notification > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:21 PM > To: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: New file uploaded to pota > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pota > group. > >   File        : /Fan Fiction/Rob M/POTA - Salvage.doc >   Uploaded by : rhob1960 <rhob1960@...> >   Description : How Doctor Milo found and launched Taylor's ship > > You can access the file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Fan%20Fiction/Rob%20M/POTA%20-%20Salvage.doc > > Your group is currently configured to send you email > notification whenever a member uploads a file.  To turn off > notification, visit: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/join > > Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group > service for the pota group. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

No problem. Enjoy! "You get what everyone gets... you get a lifetime."   Death - from Neil Gaiman's Sandman --- On Sun, 3/29/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] FW: New file uploaded to pota To: "POTA Group" <Pota@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 5:33 PM Thanks Rob!     > -----Original Message----- > From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com [pota-owner@yahoogroups.com] On > Behalf Of Yahoo! Groups Notification > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2009 2:22 PM > To: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com > Subject: New file uploaded to pota > > > Hello, > > This email message is a notification to let you know that > a file has been uploaded to the Files area of your pota > group. > >   File        : /Fan Fiction/Rob M/Planet of the Apes TV - Finis.doc >   Uploaded by : rhob1960 <rhob1960@...> >   Description : My grim ending to the POTA TV series > > You can access the file at the URL: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Fan%20Fiction/Rob%20M/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20TV%20-%20Finis.doc > > Your group is currently configured to send you email > notification whenever a member uploads a file.  To turn off > notification, visit: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/join > > Thank you for choosing Yahoo! Groups as your email group > service for the pota group. > > Regards, > > Yahoo! Groups Customer Care > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >

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True, it's a case of failing to see the forest for the trees. Taylor's (and Brent's) ship are just devices to place the characters in the story, they are not the story. It's like analyzing the helicopter that brought Armando & Caesar to the city in Conquest.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Well, as I've said before, I find it best not to think about this
> stuff.

Here is a direct link to that folder: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Fan%20Fiction/Rob%20M/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rhob1960@...> wrote:
>
> If anyone cares to, I uploaded all three of my original POTA stories (one deals with the TV series) in the Fan fiction section of the groups page. They're in the ROB M file. Enjoy, please post some comments.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:

>
> I have some very rare gems - these are gonna sell fast

I'd never part with my Jeff K. Xmas card collection!!!!!

Dave

Very cool Jessica. But how come the Forum guys are all Gorillas?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Enjoy!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8fEtzBZDc
>
> Jessica.
>

Too true. It's like trying to explain why the authorities never verified the sex of the baby chimp in Armando's circus.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:26 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

True, it's a case of failing to see the forest for the trees. Taylor's (and Brent's) ship are just devices to place the characters in the story, they are not the story. It's like analyzing the helicopter that brought Armando & Caesar to the city in Conquest.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Well, as I've said before, I find it best not to think about this
> stuff.

For those who have been downloading the Marvel Ultimate Editions from Hunter's site, I just wanted to let you know that the file for part 1 of the first film's adaptation has been updated, as I'd forgotten to incorporate the expanded panels of Marvel's Adventures on the POTA series until after finishing issue 3. Hunter and I also plan to replace the files for parts 2 and 3, once I get around to correcting them.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> Very cool Jessica. But how come the Forum guys are all Gorillas?

The Forum guys are just getting started. The NEC was very much a trial run. I know they're hoping that some Orangutans and Chimps will join their ranks in the future. If anyone from the UK feels that way inclined I'm sure they'll be delighted to hear from you.

<forumoftheapes.yuku.com>

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I don't know if his has been posted already, but Linda Harrison, along with the infamous, much debated statue of liberty prop will be at the Hollywood show April 25-26. You can take a photo with her in front of the "prop."


http://www.hollywoodshow.com/

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Felix Silla is also appearing at this show.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:06 pm
Subject: [pota] Linda Harrison @ Hollywood Show April 25-26

> I don't know if his has been posted already, but Linda Harrison,
> along with the infamous, much debated statue of liberty prop will
> be at the Hollywood show April 25-26. You can take a photo with her
> in front of the "prop."
>
>
> http://www.hollywoodshow.com/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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My name is Eliot Brodsky.
I'm a big fan of the Planet of the Apes films.
May 29-31 I am producing a makeup F/X show in Burbank.
MONSTERPALOOZA - THE ART OF MONSTERS
Makeup F/X greats
Verne Langdon
Dan Striepeke
Tom Burman
and actor Lou Wagner will be doing a Saturday discussion concerning the behind the scenes experiances of working on the the film and John Chambers.
This is a very art F/X driven show .
I hope you can join us.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p184/brod101/LAWEEKLYCORRECTED.jpg


Check out the site!
http://www.rubberroom101.com/monsterpalooza09/

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Reminder from:		pota Yahoo! Group
Title:		Eric Braeden's Birthday
Date:		Friday April 3, 2009
Time:		All Day
Repeats:		This event repeats every year.
Notes:		Dr. Otto Hasslein in Escape
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:

>
> MONSTERPALOOZA! http://www.rubberroom101.com/monsterpalooza09/
>
> Produced by sculptor/mask creator-collector Eliot Brodsky, MONSTERPALOOZA! runs for three days - May 29-31, at the Marriott Hotel in Burbank, California, right across the street from the Bob Hope/Burbank Airport!
>
> But here's the best part that concerns YOU and your Internet Apes: at 2:30 PM on SATURDAY MAY 30 I'll be moderating a panel ("Planet Of The Apes and Beyond"!) with my Apes buddies and fellow makeup artists Tom Burman and Dan Striepeke, and actor Lou "Lucius" Wagner for an intimate audience at one of the MONSTERPALOOZA! discussion panels. We'll be reminiscing with magnificent mindfuls of marvelous monkey memories, and a brief Q&A session will follow. Panel time: 1 Hour. Does that sound like something some of your gang might be interested in attending?
>
> MONSTERPALOOZA! will be nothing short of SPOOKTACULAR, and I can't urge you strongly enough to try and join us for the entire event!
>
> I'll have a table full of mementos for sale, plus lots of my new stuff too, as will so many other incredibly talented people in the makeup, FX and acting professions!
>
> Let's meet at MONSTERPALOOZA!
>
> Stay in touch, okay?
>
> - Verne Langdon
>

FINALLY....A LOCAL PLANET OF THE APES GATHERING<BIG GRIN>...
I'm game for this one....And the price is right for all three
days too...YAY!

Did someone slip a hallucinogen in my tea or did Bill promise us an adaptation of Beneath?

Dave

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Dave B <smugster2000@...> wrote:

Did someone slip a hallucinogen in my tea or did Bill promise us an adaptation of Beneath?

Dave

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

Great news Bill. Please keep us posted.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> No hallucinagen my friend unless the bananna rum drinks with umbrellas were
> spiked <darn that Glen Scheetz!-LOL>
>
> Yes there is an Audio Drama Adaptation coming for Beneath. I am aiming for
> an initial release date for ep 1 in July. And then each ep will come out
> monthly after that. Have no fear more apes will be at the Sea to hear!
>
> ;-)
>
> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Dave B smugster2000@... wrote:
>
> > Did someone slip a hallucinogen in my tea or did Bill promise us an
> > adaptation of Beneath?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.net
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes at
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://brokensea.com/conan/
>

Will do my friend! Sorry it's taken so long. Trying to get a few more finished before the acual release so everyone can count on a new ep every 4-5 weeks.

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:54 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Great news Bill. Please keep us posted.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> No hallucinagen my friend unless the bananna rum drinks with umbrellas were
> spiked <darn that Glen Scheetz!-LOL>
>
> Yes there is an Audio Drama Adaptation coming for Beneath. I am aiming for
> an initial release date for ep 1 in July. And then each ep will come out
> monthly after that. Have no fear more apes will be at the Sea to hear!
>
> ;-)
>

> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Dave B smugster2000@... wrote:
>
> > Did someone slip a hallucinogen in my tea or did Bill promise us an
> > adaptation of Beneath?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> www.brokensea.net
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes at
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> http://www.brokensea.com and
> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://brokensea.com/conan/
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my fantasy Audio Drama-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

Sorry guys, I couldn't resist.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote:
>
> DAMMIT ALL TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you got me LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOl
>
>
>
>
> > From: John DrZaiusDavis@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 1, 2009 9:01:36 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New file uploaded to pota
>
>
> Okay, ya got me.
>
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> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > This email message is a notification to let you know that
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"Planet of the Apes HD on Demand!

For any of you who have a On Demand service on your cable TV service,
"Movieplex" and "StarzHD" are both providing all 5 Planet of the Apes
movies in both widescreen and widescreen HD for the next two months. I
persoanlly have Comcast Cable along with my Direct TV so I have Comcast
on Demand. Apes on Demand is awesome and best of all, FREE to watch at
anytime.

Al"

You've watched them then, Al? Are they the same transfers as the
Blu-rays?

-- Rory

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Seven days to go before next instalment of Dr Who , next saterday BBC1