--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

I do agree that when you ask most
> people who are not hardcore fans what they think of when asked about
> POTA most would say the original movies series.

Here's a question... what's the first thing you think of if you hear, 'Planet of the apes'

Try NOT to think about it, just say the 1st thing/word/image that pops into your head.

Me? It's that image of Urko that was used as the cover for one of the UK editions of 'Monkey Planet'.

Dave

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 5:10 AM, <stenosaurus@...> wrote:






Wow that IS creepy!

Bruce



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 2:42 am
Subject: [pota] what

Anyone else see this creepy thing yesterday? Great sculpting, but...



http://cgi.ebay.com/Chester-the-Monkey-REBORN-BABY-GIRL-Planet-of-the-Apes_W0QQitemZ290298031416QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDolls?hash=item290298031416&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A10|39%3A1|240%3A1318

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
>
> I do agree that when you ask most
> > people who are not hardcore fans what they think of when asked about
> > POTA most would say the original movies series.
>
> Here's a question... what's the first thing you think of if you hear, 'Planet of the apes'
>
> Try NOT to think about it, just say the 1st thing/word/image that pops into your head.
>
> Me? It's that image of Urko that was used as the cover for one of the UK editions of 'Monkey Planet'.
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
>
> I do agree that when you ask most
> > people who are not hardcore fans what they think of when asked about
> > POTA most would say the original movies series.
>
> Here's a question... what's the first thing you think of if you hear, 'Planet of the apes'
>
> Try NOT to think about it, just say the 1st thing/word/image that pops into your head.
>
> Me? It's that image of Urko that was used as the cover for one of the UK editions of 'Monkey Planet'.
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Well are you going to keep us in suspense?
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > "D&TG begins with the final scene of The Robe."
> >
> > Ok, that's one correct answer, but there's more.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

"D&TG begins with the final scene of The Robe."

Ok, that's one correct answer, but there's more.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks, there was supposed to be a decision at FOX last month if the
> script was being given the go ahead. Haven't read or heard anything yet
> on if the decision has been made.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Might there be any truth to the rumor that there might actually be an
> upcoming sequel to Planet of the Apes, based on Conquest?
> >
> >
> http://www.filmstalker.co.uk/archives/2008/11/new_planet_of_the_apes_fil\
> m.htmlbr> > >
> > I'd enjoy seeing it :-)
> >
>

I assume it must be refering to the TV series. I have the TV-movie DVD and there is a making of documentary with an interview of Dan Curtis for both THE NIGHT STALKER and THE NIGHT STRANGLER.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
>
> In the article THE NIGHT STALKER is mentioned, but that's a UNIVERSAL release and it doesn't have a single bonus feature!?

I think you proved my point. From the responses so far it seems that most in the UK think of an image from the TV series while those in the US think of something from the movie.

For the record the first thing I think of is the Statue.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Here's a question... what's the first thing you think of if you hear, 'Planet of the apes'
>
> Try NOT to think about it, just say the 1st thing/word/image that pops into your head.
>
> Me? It's that image of Urko that was used as the cover for one of the UK editions of 'Monkey Planet'.
>
> Dave
>

Do you mean this?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I don't even recall Mego appearances happening down here in the south! That was a a privilege for you New Yawkuhs! Unless they did it in Atlanta......! Did you see them in the Macy's parade??
>
>
>

They are here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/638521697/pic/list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Didn't you post those ads? were they put somewhere in a file? Good luck selling your suit! I'd buy it in a minute.....IF I had a ton o' money! That would be a hard thing to part with but I say if you can get your asking price....go for it! Seems like there would be a lot more of these suits out there! How did you get yours again?
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> 1.) Both sequels were made to cash in on the success of the original.

Isn't that pretty much true of most sequels. They tend not to make sequels to unsuccessful movies, unless they do really well on Home Video like Austin Powers.

>
> 2.) Both sequels were made on budgets far less than the original.

Again wasn't that pretty much the paradigm for sequels at that time. Even today there are sequels that are made for less money than their predecessors
>
> 3.) Both sequels used sets left over from the original.

Really only one interior set was reused, the animal laboratory. And again this is not unusual for sequels. The James Bond films reused M's and Miss Moneypenny's offices many times. The Star Wars films reused the interior of Han Solo's ship. And the Star Trek movies reused the Enterprise sets.
>
> 4.) Leon Shamroy was Director of Photography on THE ROBE and PLANET OF
> THE APES, and Milton Krasner was DP on DEMETERIUS and BENEATH.

OK As David Letterman would say 'there you have something'.
>
> Also of note: William Eckhardt was a Second Unit Director on
> DEMETERIUS and Unit Production Manager on PLANET and CONQUEST. Emil
> Kosa Jr. did matte paintings on THE ROBE, D&TG, and PLANET.
>
Again, there you have something. Interesting.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > 1.) Both sequels were made to cash in on the success of the original.
>
> Isn't that pretty much true of most sequels. They tend not to make
> sequels to unsuccessful movies, unless they do really well on Home Video
> like Austin Powers.
>
> >
> > 2.) Both sequels were made on budgets far less than the original.
>
> Again wasn't that pretty much the paradigm for sequels at that time.
> Even today there are sequels that are made for less money than their
> predecessors
> >
> > 3.) Both sequels used sets left over from the original.
>
> Really only one interior set was reused, the animal laboratory. And
> again this is not unusual for sequels. The James Bond films reused M's
> and Miss Moneypenny's offices many times. The Star Wars films reused the
> interior of Han Solo's ship. And the Star Trek movies reused the
> Enterprise sets.
> >
> > 4.) Leon Shamroy was Director of Photography on THE ROBE and PLANET OF
> > THE APES, and Milton Krasner was DP on DEMETERIUS and BENEATH.
>
> OK As David Letterman would say 'there you have something'.
> >
> > Also of note: William Eckhardt was a Second Unit Director on
> > DEMETERIUS and Unit Production Manager on PLANET and CONQUEST. Emil
> > Kosa Jr. did matte paintings on THE ROBE, D&TG, and PLANET.
> >
> Again, there you have something. Interesting.
>

Very cool Dave. Thanks. Did you colorize that youself?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the pota
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>
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>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Stewart.jpg
>
> To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
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>
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>

He is an article on the new film from the UK SciFi site: http://www.scifi.co.uk/articles/2009/03/back-to-the-planet-of-the-apes.php

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> As soon as that chimp incident occurred, I had the same thought. Talk about putting a monkey wrench in the system. :o)
> As a matter of fact I told Jeff K that a few days after the inincident.
>
> I still believe it's a Warner Brothers conspiracy.
> Damn you, WB! :(
>
> Al :o)  
>
>
>
>
> > From: georgetaylor68 georgetaylor68@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:26:30 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Upcoming sequel to Planet of the Apes, based on Conquest?
>
>

>
>
> Very cool Dave. Thanks. Did you colorize that youself?

'The Blind Venetian'??? Sounds like a Batman villian. LOL

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> Not this time :0)
>
> It was sent to me by someone calling themselves 'The Blind Venetian!'
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> 1.) Both sequels were made to cash in on the success of the
original.

Isn't that pretty much true of most sequels. They tend not to make
sequels to unsuccessful movies, unless they do really well on Home
Video like Austin Powers.

>
> 2.) Both sequels were made on budgets far less than the original.

Again wasn't that pretty much the paradigm for sequels at that time.
Even today there are sequels that are made for less money than their
predecessors
>
> 3.) Both sequels used sets left over from the original.

Really only one interior set was reused, the animal laboratory. And
again this is not unusual for sequels. The James Bond films reused M's
and Miss Moneypenny's offices many times. The Star Wars films reused
the interior of Han Solo's ship. And the Star Trek movies reused the
Enterprise sets.
>
>
4.) Leon Shamroy was Director of Photography on THE ROBE and
PLANET OF
> THE APES, and Milton Krasner was DP on DEMETERIUS and BENEATH.

OK As David Letterman would say 'there you have something'.
>
> Also of note: William Eckhardt was a Second Unit Director on
> DEMETERIUS and Unit Production Manager on PLANET and CONQUEST.
Emil
> Kosa Jr. did matte paintings on THE ROBE, D&TG, and PLANET.
>
Again, there you have something. Interesting.

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 3:51 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: Happy St. Patricks Day!

That's a good one. I always think of BENEATH on St. Patrick's Day.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
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To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 1:37 pm
Subject: [pota] Happy St. Patricks Day!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Dave for reminding me that John Roche contributed a PDF of
> an article about CONQUEST from the August 1972 issue of SCREEN STORIES
> magazine. I've added that to my site, too.
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/
>
> Hunter
>

> I find that subheading on the front cover, 'Burton nowhere in
> sight', strangely comforting :0)

>
> I find that subheading on the front cover, 'Burton nowhere in sight', strangely comforting :0)
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks to Dave for reminding me that John Roche contributed a PDF of
> > an article about CONQUEST from the August 1972 issue of SCREEN STORIES
> > magazine. I've added that to my site, too.
> >
> > https://pota.goatley.com/
> >
> > Hunter
> >
>

> I thought that they landed in March of 3085?
>

----- Original Message -----

From: Alex Ruiz

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:21 PM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Upcoming sequel to Planet of the Apes, based on Conquest?

In a perfect world I would agree with you.

But unfortunately in this imperfect world we do have scientists crazier than nazis. :o)

Welcome to planet earth. :o)

 

Al

---

From: "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 2:15:16 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Upcoming sequel to Planet of the Apes, based on Conquest?

"Perhaps Fox's potential Caesar movie has been derailed (at least
temporarily) by the perceived implausibility of having a chimpanzee pet
(even a genetically enhanced one)? After all, the Connecticut owner of
a chimp which recently turned famously violent is now being sued for
$50 million dollars:

http://www.. google. com/hostednews/ ap/article/ ALeqM5jGKNotnQft hZt_Es_IJQD2kHv_ pAD96VQ9E80

If genetic enhancements would render Caesar supposedly pacifist, that
would make the conquest less likely... Granted, modern science doesn't
always work like it should, but..."

I've never been able to conceive logically as to why a scientist, or
group of scientists, would want to create genetically enhanced
chimpanzees that had human intelligence and the ability to speak, not
unless the scientists were like Nazi crazies and wanted to create some
kind of super nasty soldier, even that would probably sound nuts to a
Nazi scientist -- How could you hope to control such an army?

The best I could come up with is that the populations of apes get so
low that some well-meaning scientist genetically enhances some great
apes in an effort to get them to breed more prodigiously, but the
effort creates some unforeseen blowback after a couple generations, and
you can imagine the rest.

-- Rory

>>I've heard two version of why Don Murray didn't come back for

>>This email message is a notification to let you know that

>>There's been a mini resurgence in POTA resin kits recently. The

>>> Dave, could you post the other four as well?

>
> Scientists are like everybody else. There's always someone ready to do something to make a buck.

>
> I'm going to kick myself for not knowing this, but "A/W"?

>
>
>
> "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote
>
> >>Frayed knot!
>
> As far I'm aware the sequels are not available for individual purchase in
> any territory outside of the US. If that changes I'll let you know and
> post any appropriate A/W. <<
>
>
> I wrote:
>
> >>> Dave, could you post the other four as well? <<
>

>
> When did these come out originally?
>
> Chris L.

My favorite Goldblum line from that film has always been, "If the  'Pirates of the Caribbean' breaks down; the pirates don't eat the tourists".

Considering Jurassic Park and Westworld, does anyone else think that Michael Crichton had a bad experience at a theme park as a child?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> As the Jeff Goldblum character in Jurassic Park says...
>
> "They are so busy asking themselves 'can we?' they never stop to ask, 'should we?'"
>
> Dave
>

Thanks Rory. Maybe one day Planet will get a full and proper restoration.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Here's the transcript of what Belston had to say about the Blu-ray
> restoration of THE ROBE. Nothing sais about APES, but it gives you an
> idea of the work that goes into restoring these films. Check out what
> he says about why the original camera negatives for THE ROBE were in
> such bad shape and you'll realize why PLANET hasn't always looked as
> good as it should. Popularity can be a bad thing in the film world (at
> least in the past anyway), and I'll bet we haven't seen the best PLANET
> can look -- and sound -- yet.
>
> http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/031709htfchat.htmlbr>>
> -- Rory
>

Damn! I was hoping for free Root Beer;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
> A/W = Art Work
>
> Dave
>
>

They did. That was just the anniversary or maybe the pre-Anniversary.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:
>
> I thought that they landed in March of 3085?
>  
> Thanks,
> Chris Sutton
>

>>For me, "Conquest" was the hardest to swallow as a story (except the jump from "Beneath" to "Escape") so they have their work cut out for them.<<

----- Original Message -----

From: James

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 6:25 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: (OT) Fox's Schawn Belston Live Chat Transcript

Thanks Rory. Maybe one day Planet will get a full and proper restoration.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Here's the transcript of what Belston had to say about the Blu-ray
> restoration of THE ROBE. Nothing sais about APES, but it gives you an
> idea of the work that goes into restoring these films. Check out what
> he says about why the original camera negatives for THE ROBE were in
> such bad shape and you'll realize why PLANET hasn't always looked as
> good as it should. Popularity can be a bad thing in the film world (at
> least in the past anyway), and I'll bet we haven't seen the best PLANET
> can look -- and sound -- yet.
>
> http://www.thedigit albits.com/ articles/ 031709htfchat..htmlbr>>
> -- Rory
>

>Posted by: "georgetaylor68" georgetaylor68@... georgetaylor68
>Regarding the jump from "Beneath" to "Escape", have you considered
>the theory that Brent traveled in a ship SEPARATE FROM the crashed
>one near which he buried his skipper? A pair of ships would be
>more likely to have at least one successful arrival in the rescue
>endeavor, while also having better capacity for hosting the return
>trip of the four astronauts they were pursuing.
> It's been a while since I've seen "Escape" again, but I recently
> saw "Beneath" again and this possibility doesn't seem ruled out
> just because Brent's potentially intact ship wasn't featured. And
> in "Escape" I don't recall that Zira, Dr. Milo or Cornelius
> specifically stated that the spaceship in which they traveled had
> been SUBMERGED under water, did they?
>a ship that had already made two orbital re-entries. Monopolistic,
>bureaucratic NASA's Space Shuttle Columbia showed taxpayers how such
>an endeavor can be rough on a vessel (at least when its construction
>& maintenance are entrusted to anti-competitive government
>contractors that stifle competitive upstarts, as
>http://www.OrphansOfApollo.com helps document).
>Any thoughts? :-)

The third ship theory falls apart based on dialogue in both Beneath and Escape.

In Beneath Brent says to the Skipper, 'our computer's shot'. If he had a seperate ship it would have its own computer. By saying 'our' it is a clear indication that they arrived in the same ship.

Later, after hearing Ursus' speach Brent says, "I've got to get back up there. I don't know how or what with". If he had his own seperate ship, he would have known how and with what.

In Escape, the President clearly states that two not three ships were missing and that the Ape-o-nauts ship was 'the one commanded by Colonel Taylor'.

Cornelius also states that Dr. Milo had salvaged the ship which would indicate it was something more involved than just finding it intact.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> Regarding the jump from "Beneath" to "Escape", have you considered the theory that Brent traveled in a ship SEPARATE FROM the crashed one near which he buried his skipper? A pair of ships would be more likely to have at least one successful arrival in the rescue endeavor, while also having better capacity for hosting the return trip of the four astronauts they were pursuing.
>
> It's been a while since I've seen "Escape" again, but I recently saw "Beneath" again and this possibility doesn't seem ruled out just because Brent's potentially intact ship wasn't featured. And in "Escape" I don't recall that Zira, Dr. Milo or Cornelius specifically stated that the spaceship in which they traveled had been SUBMERGED under water, did they?
>
> Granted, at the beginning of "Escape" the ship looks like it may have spent quite a bit of time under water. Or it might simply appear like a ship that had already made two orbital re-entries. Monopolistic, bureaucratic NASA's Space Shuttle Columbia showed taxpayers how such an endeavor can be rough on a vessel (at least when its construction & maintenance are entrusted to anti-competitive government contractors that stifle competitive upstarts, as http://www.OrphansOfApollo.com helps document).
>
> Any thoughts? :-)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
> The third ship theory falls apart based on dialogue in both Beneath and
> Escape.
>
> In Beneath Brent says to the Skipper, 'our computer's shot'. If he had a
> seperate ship it would have its own computer. By saying 'our' it is a
> clear indication that they arrived in the same ship.
>
> Later, after hearing Ursus' speach Brent says, "I've got to get back up
> there. I don't know how or what with". If he had his own seperate ship,
> he would have known how and with what.
>
> In Escape, the President clearly states that two not three ships were
> missing and that the Ape-o-nauts ship was 'the one commanded by Colonel
> Taylor'.
>
> Cornelius also states that Dr. Milo had salvaged the ship which would
> indicate it was something more involved than just finding it intact.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Regarding the jump from "Beneath" to "Escape", have you considered the
> theory that Brent traveled in a ship SEPARATE FROM the crashed one near
> which he buried his skipper? A pair of ships would be more likely to
> have at least one successful arrival in the rescue endeavor, while also
> having better capacity for hosting the return trip of the four
> astronauts they were pursuing.
> >
> > It's been a while since I've seen "Escape" again, but I recently saw
> "Beneath" again and this possibility doesn't seem ruled out just because
> Brent's potentially intact ship wasn't featured. And in "Escape" I don't
> recall that Zira, Dr. Milo or Cornelius specifically stated that the
> spaceship in which they traveled had been SUBMERGED under water, did
> they?
> >
> > Granted, at the beginning of "Escape" the ship looks like it may have
> spent quite a bit of time under water. Or it might simply appear like a
> ship that had already made two orbital re-entries. Monopolistic,
> bureaucratic NASA's Space Shuttle Columbia showed taxpayers how such an
> endeavor can be rough on a vessel (at least when its construction &
> maintenance are entrusted to anti-competitive government contractors
> that stifle competitive upstarts, as http://www.OrphansOfApollo.com
> helps document).
> >
> > Any thoughts? :-)
> >
>

> This is the most exciting news

>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@...> wrote:
>
> George, this is exactly what Chris Shields has on his site. Please check
> out www.ansanaut.com.

>
> Okay, George, please try this one:
>
>
>
> http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/tableofcontents/HTML
>
>
>
> Zach
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
>
>
> From: georgetaylor68
>
> Date: 03/25/09 22:03:31
>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
>
> Subject: [pota] Re: Is the logical leap from "Beneath" to "Escape"
> explainable by Brent's DUAL ship?
>
>
>
> Thanks for the link, Zach, but I can't seem to find contents at:
>
>
>
> http://www.ansanaut.com
>
>
>
> and even Archive.org doesn't have anything.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile James, your points make a good deal of sense. I think I can offer
> some POTENTIAL rebuttals though:
>
>
>
> 1) What if the dual rescue ships had computers that were interdependent in
> some way, to avoid losing contact or synchronicity. Or more realistically
> still for that era: to maximize scarce computer memory space in an era that
> made Pentium processors look ultra-futuristic? They DID want to avoid the
> confusing fate suffered by the Icarus ship, after all. Thus, if the computer
> was malfunctioning in one ship, it could have been down in the other? Didn't
> we see something akin to that happen to the invaders in the movie
> Independence Day? Next:
>
>
>
> 2) Brent understandably didn't know how to get back with computer problems
> holding his ship back, so he made such comments when hearing Ursus' speech..
> The desperate nature of Brent's comments was likely intended to maximize
> audience's feelings of desperation and desire to make do with what they had.
> After all, in the seminal book Monkey Planet, the suspense was diluted by
> the presence of a ship on orbit (which I vaguely recall from reading that
> book a couple of decades ago, literally unable to put it down until the very
> end). Stress is the mother of innovation, and audiences needed stimulating.
> 5 centuries ago Hernan Cortez figured he could conquer Mexico if he burned
> his own ships, thereby forcing his crew members (many of whom had been in
> prison) to make do with what they had. It may be that Dr. Milo was able to
> salvage" the ship's network using his supply of trinkets and salvaged
> computer parts (some of which were advanced, relative to what Brent had
> depended upon).
>
>
>
> So that seems to leave just the U.S. president's remarks to try and deal
> with, in attempting to defend the potentially face-saving dual rescue ship
> theory. Without seeing his exact wording, I'm intellectually cornered.
> Perhaps part of what the president said didn't get transmitted, just as Neil
> Armstrong's famous words got cut off midway, leaving us with merely:
>
>
>
> "That's one small step for [SIC] man; one giant leap for mankind."
>
>
>
> Maybe the president said that the Apes in Escape used a ship [like that]
> used by Colonel George Taylor?
>
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> To paraphrase the Lawgiver at the end of Battle: who knows? :-)
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "zasco1957" <Zasco1957@> wrote:
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> > George, this is exactly what Chris Shields has on his site. Please check
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> > out www.ansanaut.com.
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Greene was a child star. Now that explains a lot of things. LOL

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff" <skintricks@...> wrote:
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> Eric Greene was an action figure!
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> "Jeff K." veetus@ wrote:
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> > This is the most exciting news since, well, the DVD of "Space Academy" starring Eric Greene!
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See below.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for the link, Zach, but I can't seem to find contents at:
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> http://www.ansanaut.com
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> and even Archive.org doesn't have anything.

This link should work: http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/tableofcontents.html"
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> Meanwhile James, your points make a good deal of sense. I think I can offer some POTENTIAL rebuttals though:
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> 1) What if the dual rescue ships had computers that were interdependent in some way, to avoid losing contact or synchronicity. Or more realistically still for that era: to maximize scarce computer memory space in an era that made Pentium processors look ultra-futuristic? They DID want to avoid the confusing fate suffered by the Icarus ship, after all. Thus, if the computer was malfunctioning in one ship, it could have been down in the other? Didn't we see something akin to that happen to the invaders in the movie Independence Day? Next:

Except that the line in the script is "Our computer is shot", singular. Not "Our computers are shot", plural. (https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_beneath_final.pdf Page 13)

So if there is only one computer, there can only be one ship, not two.

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> 2) Brent understandably didn't know how to get back with computer problems holding his ship back, so he made such comments when hearing Ursus' speech... The desperate nature of Brent's comments was likely intended to maximize audience's feelings of desperation and desire to make do with what they had.

Since this arguement was predicated on the previous arguement that there were two computers, now that it has been proven there was only one computer; it is also invalid.
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> So that seems to leave just the U.S. president's remarks to try and deal with, in attempting to defend the potentially face-saving dual rescue ship theory. Without seeing his exact wording, I'm intellectually cornered.

You can see the exact wording here: https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_escape_final_1.pdf on page 27. Note the President says the ship is one of two missing ships, not one of three.

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> Maybe the president said that the Apes in Escape used a ship [like that] used by Colonel George Taylor?
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No he says "To be exact, the one commanded by Colonel Taylor". So he is being pretty specific that the ship the Apes used was Taylor's.