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"It would be common sense that there would be one line of dialogue if
it were an element of the story they were telling. They had three films
to do it in. Why keep the audience in the dark about what the story was
really about?"

It's not there because Dehn was a bad SF writer and thought he'd create
a circular timeline, but others differed with him, and even when it
re-wrote the BATTLE script and left it all open-ended.

Where's the line of dialogue that proves the future after BATTLE will
lead to events in the year 3955 or 3978 that'll be exactly as they were
in PLANET and BENEATH?

-- Rory





-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 5:49 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: About my timeline(s) - lack of interest










--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King" <shrstrategygames@...>
wrote:

>
>
> That common-sense internal logic is not solely dependent on

outright-spoken dialogue per se. Read on below...

>

It would be common sense that there would be one line of dialogue if it
were an element of the story they were telling. They had three films to
do it in. Why keep the audience in the dark about what the story was
really about?

>
>
> No, despite their inhabiting different universes, they all more or

less play by the same accepted internal
-logic rules with regard to Time
Travel, Paradoxes and Timelines. Some of them do have introduced new
insights and innovations that are but a variation on a theme but
essentially follow the same rules.

>

No they are different universes with their own rules. They are
irrelevant to the story being told in the POTA films. Discussing them
is just a distraction because you can't prove what you've stated.

>
>
>
> Yes, that's true but with this caveat: We're not talking about a

single timeline shared in common between T2 & T3 but two timelines: The
T-800 Terminator robot played by Arnold Swarzeneggar in "Terminator 3"
confirms that he was sent back by John Connor's wife from the future,
the timeline begun by "Terminator 2." The timelines of T2 and T3 depart
from that of T1 because the date for Judgment Day had merely been
delayed but not wholly averted. The final battle against Skynet was
apparently also delayed in coming as well.

>
>

Either way in terms of storytelling/filmmaking 101 there is dialogue to
let the audience know what is going on. That's what is done when
something is a true element of the story the filmmakers are telling.

>
>
> Indirectly, Dr. Hasslein's own Theory of Infinite Regression hints

at that likelihood if not certainty.

I didn't ask for indirect hints but direct dialogue that firmly
establishes it as a part of the story.
=0
A

>And again, one of the columns of your own Timeline document in the

Database section of your group's files states as much as well (without
benefit of any dialogue from "Escape" at that).

>
>

What's in the Database section is irrelevant. That is merely a listing
of different theories.

>
> I read both books long ago; however, by "final re-write," are you

talking about the final shooting script?

Yes. Why is that such a hard concept for you to understand?

>
> If so, I must be living in an alternate universe because I don't

recall Aldo winning the treetop battle for the Planet of the Apes
against Caesar in the final film and resuming the course of history
that led to the original Planet of the Apes.

>

Now you are making assumptions again. Where is it ever stated in the 5
films that Aldo won the treetop battle in the alleged "original"
timeline. And even if it were that would only prove the an alternate
timeline were created in Battle and not before.

>
> Well, since the Timeline document in this group's own website's

Database section does contain a column acknowledging that "Escape"
initiated a new timeline and the events of "Battle" only added to it,

Again what's in the Database section is irrelevant. It wasn't written
by the filmmakers and is just an listing of different theories.



I stand by my conclusion with this cavea
t: Although "Escape" started a
new timeline that introduced the possibility of averting the future
seen in POTA and BTPOTA, not until "Battle" is that possibility
embraced, followed up on and pursued as a mission. In essence, "Battle"
seals the deal of the proposition introduced by "Escape" for a
different future.

>

But what is your conclusion based on other than assumptions on your
part. I've repeatedly asked you to cite direct dialogue from the POTA
films that support you conclusion and you repeatedly failed to do so.
It's time to put up or shut up!

> As to dialogue, no, there is no specific dialogue which

categorically states matters one way or the other. Just as there has
evolved an accepted set of logic rules that apply tp vampire lore in
movies and books, there has also evolved an an accepted set of logic
rules regarding time travel and timelines that movies and books
generally adhere to.

>

No there is dialogue that supports the circular theory. Milo says "And
the Earth will be destroyed just as we saw it". The Lawgiver says that
C&Z "decsended on Earth from Earth's own future". Caesar tells Aldo, "I
went looking for my past but I found our future".

> With his Multiple-Highway-Lanes-to-the-Future theory of Time, Dr.

Hasslein certainly didn't subscribe to any Closed-Circle Theory of
Time, either.

No he didn't but he did think that C&Z's arrival (and the birth=2
0of
their baby) began a chain of events that would lead to Apes taking over
the world and ultimately destroying it. And he believes he can break
that chain of events by killing C&Z (and the baby), thus changing lanes
to prevent the future that they came from. That's the entire point of
his scene with the President.

>
> Again, the Timeline document in your group's Database section

certainly didn't take issue with a new timeline being created by
"Escape." Indeed, it was included as among the possibilities. (What
each individual buys as the most likely possibility will differ, of
course.)

>

And again what's in the Database section is irrelevant.

>
> Very well, since there's no inevitable Closed-Circle of Time

Theory advocated in the Apes films via their actual dialogue, I rest my
case, especially since Hasslein's Multiple-Highway-Lanes-To-The-Future
Theory advocates that the course of history *can* be changed. :)

>

Now you're trying to change the subject. The point is not Closed-Circle
of Time Theory. It is if C&Z automatically created an alternate
timeline merely by traveling to the past as you stated. Please show
evidence directly from the films which directly states this.

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Terry this is an impressive list that you're building. What is it for?

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@ ...> wrote:
>
> some more mags i found today
>
> 1965 BIZARRE MYSTERY DIGEST #2 / November / Small digest sized magazine / features stories by Pierre Boulle - Planet of the Apes
> 1968 LIFE Vol 64 No 19 / May 10 / Paul Newman cover / Movie: Planet of the Apes, reviewed by Richard Schickel.
> 1968 SEVENTEEN / May / short blip on Planet of The Apes with Charlton Heston
> 1968 MOVIE NEWS Vol 4 No 7 / July / Australia mag / POTA
> 1968 MOVIE NEWS Vol 4 No 8 / August / Australia mag / POTA
> 1968 PHOTOPLAY / August / PLANET OF THE APES. LINDA HARRISON. FULL PAGE COLOUR BIKINI PIC AND ARTICLE
> 1970 MIDI-MINUIT FANTASTIQUE #22 / French Sci-fi magazine inspired by Famous Monsters of Filmland. "Le Cinema de Science Fiction on un Pessimisme Cosmique" which covers sf films from "Metropolis" through the Universal-Internati onal films of the Fifties (

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"Again I ask what lines of dialogue firmly and directly establishes
this for the audience?

That common-sense internal logic is not solely dependent on
outright-spoken dialogue per se."

This is what I've tried to get across for years in this group: that
logically it would make sense that you'd change the past if you
returned to it from the future. If I was able to go back in time and
prevent the birth of Hitler, wouldn't that change the past as you know
it?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: James King <shrstrategygames@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: About my timeline(s) - lack of interest

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> >--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"

<shrstrategygames@> wrote:

> >

> > Again, there was no Zira, Cornelius & Dr. Milo who'd returned

to 1973

> > of the original timeline that led to the original Planet of

the Apes of

> > the first two films. And since there had been no Zira,

Cornelius or Dr.

> > Milo who'd returned to 1973 of that original POTA timeline,

then neither

> > had there been any Milo/Caesar to subplant Aldo.

>

> Again I ask what lines of dialogue firmly and directly establishes

this

> for the audience?

That common-sense internal logic is not solely dependent on
outright-spoken dialogue per se. Read on below...

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> >--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"

<shrstrategygames@> wrote:

> >

> > Comparatively speaking, in the forthcoming "Terminator

Salvation"

> > movie, John Connor will exist in a timeline that deviates

from the one

> > of the original "Terminator" and "Terminator 2: Judgment Day"

because

> > although he grew up and led the revolution against the

machines in the

> > "Judgment Day" timeline, he learns in "Terminator 3" that he

would

> > eventually be assassinated by an infiltrator Terminator

robot, which was

> > reprogrammed and sent back into the past by Connor's

surviving wife to

> > not only save him from another Skynet assassination attempt

in the past

> > but also to alert him to his future demise which he

apparently would

> > know in advance to try to avert. (Unlike the one in

"Terminator 3," the

> > Terminator robot in "Terminator 2: Judgment Day" didn't alert

John

> > Connor about anything about his destiny that might motivate

him to want

> > to alter it.)

> >

> > The Terminator novels also explore the paradoxes of John

Conno
rs and

> > Skynets of multiple futures competing with each for

domination of the

> > past.

> >

> I hate to apply other movies, TV shows, novels or stories to POTA.

They

> each exist in their own universes with the own rules.

No, despite their inhabiting different universes, they all more or less
play by the same accepted internal-logic rules with regard to Time
Travel, Paradoxes and Timelines. Some of them do have introduced new
insights and innovations that are but a variation on a theme but
essentially follow the same rules.



The only exceptions I can think of are the following regarding time
paradoxes:



1. Where does the watch come from in "Somewhere In Time"?



2. Was the John Connor who sent Kyle Reese back in time in the original
"Terminator" movie actually the offspring of Sarah Connor and Kyle
Reese (and not some other guy whom she might otherwise have met later
on in her lifetime before Judgment Day)? If you buy at face value the
notion that the father of John Connor in the original timeline was
indeed Kyle Reese, there's something of a time paradox about such a
notion, namely that John Connor wouldn't exist in the Present or Past
without an assist by a time traveller, his birth father, from the
Future.



3. At the very end of the 1978 "Superman" movie, photographer Jimmy
Olsen runs
up to Lois Lane near the San Andreas Fault region excitedly
talking about narrowly missing being hit by falling telephone poles
shaken assunder by the atomic-bomb-induced earthquake. Only how could
Jimmy Olsen could have witnessed what never happened since Superman had
just gone back in time in the scene immediately before that to stop the
San-Andreas-bound missile first from ever striking the San Andreas
Fault and before he flew off to dispatch the second one bound for
Hackensack, New Jersey? (I would attribute this inconsistency though
to sloppy proofreading if not screenwriting.)

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> But in terms of filmmaking/storytelling 101, the Terminator films

firmly

> establish in T2 & T3 that a new seperate timeline had been

created. There

> is dialogue (and voiceovers) that inform the audience of that.

Yes, that's true but with this caveat: We're not talking about a single
timeline shared in common between T2 & T3 but two timelines: The T-800
Terminator robot played by Arnold Swarzeneggar in "Terminator 3"
confirms that he was sent back by John Connor's wife from the future,
the timeline begun by "Terminator 2." The timelines of T2 and T3 depart
from that of T1 because the date for Judgment Day had merely been
delayed but not wholly averted. The final battle against Skynet was
apparently also delayed in com
ing as well.



Arnie's T3 Terminator robot also gives John Connor of the T3 timeline
advance knowledge of his future demise that the John Connor of the T2
timeline at that same stage had not received. (How John Connor met the
same wife in the T2 timeline is something of a mystery, given the
unusual course of events that transpire to their meeting in T3. But
it's established that it was Connor's wife, not himself, who had
reprogrammed the T-800 robot which had killed him in the future and
sent it back into the past to protect him.) At the same time, that
virus and other info that the female Terminator robot uploads into the
Internet to penetrate the military's advanced-weapons division may also
have carried intelligence info from the future Skynet of the T2
timeline in order to give the nascent T3 Skynet even more advantage in
eventually rooting out John Connor and the humans who form the
Resistance. ("Terminator Salvation" certainly hints at the existence of
new forms of Terminators not previously glimpsed or hinted at in
previous Terminator books and films. These could be logical
technological advances that a nascent Skynet boosted by intel from the
future might be advanced enough to develop.)

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> In the new Star Trek film, there is dialogue that informs the

audience that the film takes

> place in a

seperate altered time. What dialogue in the POTA films

> establish that C&Z created a new timeline by traveling to the past?

Indirectly, Dr. Hasslein's own Theory of Infinite Regression hints at
that likelihood if not certainty. And again, one of the columns of your
own Timeline document in the Database section of your group's files
states as much as well (without benefit of any dialogue from "Escape"
at that).

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> >--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"

<shrstrategygames@> wrote:

> >

> > While I do faintly recall something about Dehn's being out of

the

> > picture (metaphorically speaking) for a while, notably, that

final

> > rewrite of "Battle" no longer contained his original more

nihlistic

> > closed-circle ending which had had Aldo successfully

overthrowing Caesar

> > and resuming the course of history that led to the original

Planet of

> > the Apes.

> >

> Nope, Dehn did the final re-write for Battle. You should read

Russo's

> Planet of the Apes Revisited or The Planet of the Apes Chronicles

by

> Paul Woods.

I read both books long ago; however, by "final re-write," are you
talking about the final shooting script?



If so, I must be living in an alternate universe
because I don't recall
Aldo winning the treetop battle for the Planet of the Apes against
Caesar in the final film and resuming the course of history that led to
the original Planet of the Apes.

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> >--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"

<shrstrategygames@> wrote:

> >

> > I would say that the events of "Battle" certainly finalized

the

> > commitment for both apes and humans to form a different more

positive

> > future and timeline; however, I disagree that the new

timeline was only

> > created by the events of "Battle" and not before. I say this

because in

> > the timeline of the original "Planet of the Apes", there had

been no

> > Caesar in their distant past to subplant Aldo, nor any

arrival of

> > Cornelius, Zira and Dr. Milo from the future.

>

> Again please cite the dialogue that establishes that. If it were an

> element of the story there would be dialogue to inform the

audience of

> such. A good case can be made that the events of Battle changed the

> chain of events and a new timeline was created from that point but

not

> before.

Well, since the Timeline document in this group's own website's
Database section does contain a column acknowledging t
hat "Escape"
initiated a new timeline and the events of "Battle" only added to it,
I stand by my conclusion with this caveat: Although "Escape" started a
new timeline that introduced the possibility of averting the future
seen in POTA and BTPOTA, not until "Battle" is that possibility
embraced, followed up on and pursued as a mission. In essence, "Battle"
seals the deal of the proposition introduced by "Escape" for a
different future.



As to dialogue, no, there is no specific dialogue which categorically
states matters one way or the other. Just as there has evolved an
accepted set of logic rules that apply tp vampire lore in movies and
books, there has also evolved an an accepted set of logic rules
regarding time travel and timelines that movies and books generally
adhere to.



With his Multiple-Highway-Lanes-to-the-Future theory of Time, Dr.
Hasslein certainly didn't subscribe to any Closed-Circle Theory of
Time, either.



Notably, Dr. Hasslein did NOT say to the President: "But the appearance
of these chimpanzees from the future has led me to rethink my entire
Multiple-Highway-Lanes-to-the-Future Theory of Tiime, so much so, that
I can no longer stand by it. Much as I'd like to think otherwise, Mr.
President, the future from whence these apes arrived cannot be averted.
Even if we here in the Present were to abort Zira's baby, render them
incapable of bearing more offspring, prepar
e possible innoculations and
vaccines well in advance of any possible future plague on dogs and
cats, and make laws against civilian ownership of monkeys and apes,
sometime down the line, those present-day safeguards will inevitably be
undone and fall by the roadside as humanity becomes less and less
vigilant. As a result, apes will inevitably rise to dominate humanity.
I'm sorry, Mr. President, there's nothing we can do to avert such a
future. For these reasons, I retract my recommendation that the female
ape's child be aborted and that both parent apes be rendered incapable
of bearing another. Indeed, no matter how we seclude and shield the
apes from access to the general public, other rival nations and
corporations' initiative to acquire samples of their DNA will pose an
ongoing threat, especially when there's a profit motive involved.
Therefore, I advocate that both apes be executed and their bodies
cremated beyond any possible DNA recovery. Unfortunately, preventing
the apes from getting a head start on their future is the only recourse
we have."

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> >--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"

<shrstrategygames@> wrote:

> >

> > Well, since Dehn advocated the more nihlistic closed-circle

ending,

> > I'm not surprised such would be his take on the matter.

Unfortunately,

> > intentions do

not guarantee results. Moreover, the only way I
could even

> > halfway seriously buy that notion would be if the music

underscoring the

> > Caesar statue scene had conveyed irony, darkness and mystery

instead of

> > that more uplifting theme of hope.

> >

> > Nonetheless, despite that hopeful-sounding music

underscoring the

> > Caesar crying-statue scene at the end of "Battle," I myself

am not

> > complacent or content to assume all will be well. Indeed, the

tear

> > falling from the eye of Caesar's statue is open to

interpretation as

> > either profound sadness or profound joy for humanity & apes'

prospects

> > for a more peaceful future. In that sense, the ambiguity of

the ending

> > makes it all the more unsettling albeit in a more edifying

way.

>

> I don't disagree with that. But that still only speaks to a new

timeline

> being created in Battle.

Again, the Timeline document in your group's Database section certainly
didn't take issue with a new timeline being created by "Escape."
Indeed, it was included as among the possibilities. (What each
individual buys as the most likely possibility will differ, of course.)

>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>

> >--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James King"

<shrstrategygames@> wrote:

> >

> > Hasslein's Theory of Infinite Regression seemed to indirectly

address

> > it; but it's so abstract,

>

> That's the problem it is indirect and abstract, thus it is an

> extropolation. If it were an element of the story it would be

direct and

> not abstract in any way.

Very well, since there's no inevitable Closed-Circle of Time Theory
advocated in the Apes films via their actual dialogue, I rest my case,
especially since Hasslein's Multiple-Highway-Lanes-To-The-Future Theory
advocates that the course of history *can* be changed. :)

Well, all I have to say is that if I were in charge of an adaptation of
Boulle's novel to the screen, the big change I's make is that Zira and
Cornelius would be gorillas, and the chimpanzees would be the hunters.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>; POTA DG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:59 am
Subject: [pota] I guess Aldo didn't see this.......








Gorillas might be the smartest apes on the planet

May 13th, 2009 - 12:38 pm ICT by ANI






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Washington, May 13 (ANI): A new research, which involved a trial and
error test, has suggested that gorillas maybe the smartest apes on the
planet.

According to a report in National Geographic News, the research was
done at the Lincoln Park Zoo in Chicago, US.

Four years ago, scientists there attached a touch-screen computer
terminal to the side of the enclosure of a female gorilla named Rollie.


As the gorilla approached, it saw the numeral one displayed on the
screen. When Rollie touched the symbol, a chime sounded and the machine
dispensed a frozen blueberry.

It did not take long for the gorilla to work out that pressing the
number had benefits.

After a while, the computer screen presented Rollie with two
symbols, the numerals one and two. Through trial and erro
r, Rollie
learned to press them in the right order to receive a blueberry.

Last year, zoo primatologist Steve Ross reported that Rollie could
sequence up to seven numbers at a time, and that chimpanzees at the
facility were taking twice as long to learn the sequence.

"Gorillas rarely use tools and have rarely been cognitively studied
as a result. So, we did not expect them to perform very well at this,"
Ross said.

Despite Rollie's success, Ross and his colleagues wondered whether
the gorilla was just one very sharp ape, or if such intellect could be
found in other gorillas.

The scientists started testing other gorillas at their facility.

The youngest of the group, a five-year-old named Azizi, is also proving
to be a quick study.

So far, the male gorilla has only learned to sequence five numbers at a
time, but has progressed as rapidly as Rollie.

In Japan, similar studies are being conducted with chimpanzees,
mandrills, and gibbons. None have made it past the number five.

"This is the first study demonstrating gorilla intelligence like
this," said Tetsuro Matsuzawa, director of the Primate Research
Institute at Kyoto University. "I am eager to see how further research
with these gorillas progresses," he added. (ANI)

Was the original question whether or not Maurice Evans' Zaius costume
from the second half of BENEATH was worn by Coleman in the TV series?

I don't think it ever was.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:59 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Profiles in History









$48 Grand for each!!! Damn if only I hadn't spent all my savings on AIG
stock.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
wrote:

>
> PROFILES IN HISTORY SPRING AUCTION OF HOLLYWOOD MEMORABILILA

BRINGS IN OVER 4 MILLION DOLLARS

>
> · Complete hero Maurice Evans "Dr. Zaius" costume from The Planet

of the Apes and Beneath the Planet of the Apes ($48,000)

> · Charlton Heston "Colonel George Taylor" costume and display from

Planet of the Apes ($48,000)

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> This is what I've tried to get across for years in this group: that
> logically it would make sense that you'd change the past if you
> returned to it from the future. If I was able to go back in time and
> prevent the birth of Hitler, wouldn't that change the past as you know
> it?
>

Unless of course the actions that you took in the past actually started a chain of events that led to the birth of Hitler, which is why it's called a pre-destination paradox.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> It's not there because Dehn was a bad SF writer and thought he'd create
> a circular timeline, but others differed with him, and even when it
> re-wrote the BATTLE script and left it all open-ended.

>
> Where's the line of dialogue that proves the future after BATTLE will
> lead to events in the year 3955 or 3978 that'll be exactly as they were
> in PLANET and BENEATH?
>
Which is why as I've always said that the case can be made that an alternate timeline was created by Caesar's actions in Battle but not before.

He wore it in the first episode.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Was the original question whether or not Maurice Evans' Zaius costume
> from the second half of BENEATH was worn by Coleman in the TV series?
>
> I don't think it ever was.
>
> -- Rory
>

Looked like he was wearing it in The Legacy if I'm not mistaken.

Bruce

Was the original question whether or not Maurice Evans' Zaius costume
from the second half of BENEATH was worn by Coleman in the TV series?

I don't think it ever was.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:46 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Profiles in History

Was the original question whether or not Maurice Evans' Zaius costume
from the second half of BENEATH was worn by Coleman in the TV series?

I don't think it ever was.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 13 May 2009 10:59 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Profiles in History

$48 Grand for each!!! Damn if only I hadn't spent all my savings on AIG
stock.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Tim \"apefan\"" &lt;apefan23@ ...&gt;
wrote: &gt;
&gt; PROFILES IN HISTORY SPRING AUCTION OF HOLLYWOOD MEMORABILILA
BRINGS IN OVER 4 MILLION DOLLARS
&gt;
&gt; · Complete hero Maurice Evans "Dr. Zaius" costume from The Planet
of the Apes and Beneath the Planet of the Apes ($48,000)
&gt; · Charlton Heston "Colonel George Taylor" costume and display from
Planet of the Apes ($48,000)

---

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If this alternate time-theory was ever actually considered by the writers/producers then perhaps the link would be lie in the way apes rose to power and told in ESCAPE where the process was originally centuries in the make compared to Caesar's sudden and quick revolt in CONQUEST.  Perhaps in one time line APES did rise and evolve in a slower rate leading to what we witness in PLANET.  That was altered by the 3 apes surviving to alter and re-star the process in an altered way.  This in turn would alter the final outcome into being the TV SERIES and not PLANET.  The process of these alternate time lines could then be further altered by having astronauts from earth "jump" time lines as with Pete & Burke who obviously come to know of a displacement via the book they are shown documenting a future their world was not a part of. The weeping statue in the end of BATTLE would be for infinite variations perhaps most if not all simply reaching the same/similar end negative result . - Scott B. --- On Thu, 5/14/09, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: James <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Re: About my timeline(s) - lack of interest To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 1:42 AM --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote: > > > It's not there because Dehn was a bad SF writer and thought he'd create > a circular timeline, but others differed with him, and even when it > re-wrote the BATTLE script and left it all open-ended. > > Where's the line of dialogue that proves the future after BATTLE will > lead to events in the year 3955 or 3978 that'll be exactly as they were > in PLANET and BENEATH? > Which is why as I've always said that the case can be made that an alternate timeline was created by Caesar's actions in Battle but not before.

Well, Zira and Cornelius tell the government about the future and what
would happen to mankind, which would of course change the future, but
then Dehn strangely has the government ignore the warnings and allow
apes to become slaves anyway.

As the Church Lady used to say, "How convenient!"

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 1:45 am
Subject: [pota] Re: About my timeline(s) - lack of interest

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> This is what I've tried to get across for years in this group:
that
> logically it would make sense that you'd change the past if you
> returned to it from the future. If I was able to go back in time
and
> prevent the birth of Hitler, wouldn't that change the past as you
know
> it?
>
Unless of course the actions that you took in the past actually started
a chain of events that led to the birth of Hitler, which is why it's
called a pre-destination paradox.

--
Bill Hollweg
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Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
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I guess I haven't watch the TV show enough -- thank the Lawgiver!!!!!

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 14 May 2009 1:51 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Profiles in History









He wore it in the first episode.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Was the original question whether or not Maurice Evans' Zaius
costume
> from the second half of BENEATH was worn by Coleman in the TV
series?
>
> I don't think it ever was.
>
> -- Rory
>

Attachments :

Yes in real life government officials never ignore warnings of catastrophe like global warming, weak levys in New Orleans or terrorist attacks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Well, Zira and Cornelius tell the government about the future and what
> would happen to mankind, which would of course change the future, but
> then Dehn strangely has the government ignore the warnings and allow
> apes to become slaves anyway.
>
> As the Church Lady used to say, "How convenient!"
>
> -- Rory
>

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:13 PM, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

dear james, thanks for posting my photos. i came across a few more hope you like them . manty thanks william burge

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Okay, now although some, if not most, of us might well entertain the notion of seeing Linda Harrison as Nova surviving in "Beneath The Planet of the Apes" long enough to have explained Parallel Worlds Theory to Taylor & Brent, we'll have to settle for the next best thing: Next Tuesday's (O5/19) "Parallel Worlds, Parallel Lives" episode of PBS' Nova.

Ironically, that Nova episode does have a faintly evocative "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" twist: Like Caesar's search for archived recordings of his parents, Zira & Cornelius, after being separated by both time and an ocean apart, Mark Oliver Everett, better known as "E", lead singer of the rock band, The Eels, conducts a search for the archived writings & recordings of his late absent father who created the original Parallel Worlds Theory.

(Comparatively speaking, the character of Dr. Otto Hasslein with his Infinite Regression Theory of Time might be considered a blend of the late Dr. Everett, creator of the Parallel Worlds Theory, and NASA's Dr. Werner von Braun.)

In either case, with recent threads touching on Parallel Worlds Theory, this Nova episode is a must-see as it uses user-friendly layman's terms to convey the essence and paradoxes of Parallel Worlds Theory.

For more info, check your local TV listings and the following Google Search entries:

http://www.google. com/search? hl=en&as_ q=Nova&as_ epq=Parallel+ Worlds%2C+ Parallel+ Lives&as_ oq=&as_eq= &num=100& lr=&as_filetype= &ft=i&as_ sitesearch= &as_qdr=all& as_rights= &as_occt= any&cr=&as_ nlo=&as_nhi= &safe=off

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Thank You! Good to know! RD --- On Thu, 5/14/09, Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> wrote: From: Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Hear & See Nova Explain Parallel Worlds Theory! To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, May 14, 2009, 5:20 PM you can download this show at http://www.torrentr eactor.net/ torrents/ 2577825/PBS- Nova-Parallel- Worlds-Parallel- Lives-%282008- HDTV-SoS% 29-%2814S% 2F14L%29 Okay, now although some, if not most, of us might well entertain the notion of seeing Linda Harrison as Nova surviving in "Beneath The Planet of the Apes" long enough to have explained Parallel Worlds Theory to Taylor & Brent, we'll have to settle for the next best thing: Next Tuesday's (O5/19) "Parallel Worlds, Parallel Lives" episode of PBS' Nova. Ironically, that Nova episode does have a faintly evocative "Battle for the Planet of the Apes" twist: Like Caesar's search for archived recordings of his parents, Zira & Cornelius, after being separated by both time and an ocean apart, Mark Oliver Everett, better known as "E", lead singer of the rock band, The Eels, conducts a search for the archived writings & recordings of his late absent father who created the original Parallel Worlds Theory. (Comparatively speaking, the character of Dr. Otto Hasslein with his Infinite Regression Theory of Time might be considered a blend of the late Dr. Everett, creator of the Parallel Worlds Theory, and NASA's Dr. Werner von Braun.) In either case, with recent threads touching on Parallel Worlds Theory, this Nova episode is a must-see as it uses user-friendly layman's terms to convey the essence and paradoxes of Parallel Worlds Theory. For more info, check your local TV listings and the following Google Search entries: http://www.google. com/search? hl=en&as_ q=Nova&as_ epq=Parallel+ Worlds%2C+ Parallel+ Lives&as_ oq=&as_eq= &num=100& lr=&as_filetype= &ft=i&as_ sitesearch= &as_qdr=all& as_rights= &as_occt= any&cr=&as_ nlo=&as_nhi= &safe=off

Thank you William for sharing with us. The pics have been uploaded to the Photos section in the folder named William's Pics: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear james, thanks for posting my photos. i came across a few more hope you like them . manty thanks   william burge
>

It's Friday and the fall of Mankind has begun...or at least it has in this week's installment of APE CITY CHRONICLES.

To access click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm

Once again a big thank you to William, Kevin and Tim for the pics they've shared with the group. The pics can be viewed here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list 

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Group Website  - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• POTA Locations  - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• Cornelius' Journal  - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• The Art Gallery  - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section  - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.
• The Photos Section  - POTA pics contributed by members.

Looks like an interesting issue Terry. Great cover art by Graham.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
>
> Here is the website up and running to advertise the new issue and its contents
> and how to order
>
> http://www.planetoftheapesfanclub.com/apechronicles45.htm
>
> If you have NOT ordered an issue of Ape Chronicles in years or ever
> I encourage you to try it out - thanks!
>

James, I've just read through all of these, and they're excellent. Kudos to all involved in creating them. They're well-conceived, well-written and very entertaining. Nicely done, guys!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> It's Friday and the fall of Mankind has begun...or at least it has in
> this week's installment of APE CITY CHRONICLES.
>
> To access click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm>
>
> Once again a big thank you to William, Kevin and Tim for the pics
> they've shared with the group. The pics can be viewed here:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list>
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Group Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original
> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more.
> * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot.
> * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius.
> * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
> * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members.
> * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
> * The Photos Section
> <http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos> - POTA pics
> contributed by members.
>

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Thanks Rich. Kudos to Glen Scheetz and Dave Ballard for their contributions.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> James, I've just read through all of these, and they're excellent. Kudos to all involved in creating them. They're well-conceived, well-written and very entertaining. Nicely done, guys!
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > It's Friday and the fall of Mankind has begun...or at least it has in
> > this week's installment of APE CITY CHRONICLES.
> >
> > To access click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link:
> > http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm>
> >
> > Once again a big thank you to William, Kevin and Tim for the pics
> > they've shared with the group. The pics can be viewed here:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1243400961/pic/list>
> >
> > Have a great weekend everyone!
> >
> > Visit all the Group's special features including:
> >
> > * The Group Website
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original
> > POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> > much, much more.
> > * POTA Locations
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> > The places where the POTA films were shot.
> > * Cornelius' Journal
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> > of Dr. Cornelius.
> > * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> > of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
> > * The Art Gallery
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> > Works of POTA Art by our members.
> > * The Database Section
> > <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> > ranging from Characters to Comics.
> > * The Photos Section
> > <http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos> - POTA pics
> > contributed by members.
> >
>

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So, I've just finished re-reading Revolution on the Planet of the Apes--damn, I love that series--and I noticed a trend that was both fascinating and disturbing. In the letters pages, I recognized the names of practically everyone who had written in, as almost all of us (yes, a truncated version of a letter from me was among them...and boy did I sound dorky) hailed from the current handful of online groups.

On the one hand, that was kind of a cool experience. I've been re-reading much of my collection over the past two years--Star Trek, Hellblazer, Star Wars, Swamp Thing, Preacher and a bunch of other titles--and despite knowing a letter-writer here and there, the majority were unknown to me. With Revolution, though, almost everyone who wrote in is in our small communities.

Which leads me to the other hand in this scenario...are we really all there is? Are we so small and isolated a group of fans now, that the only people who would write in to a new comic book series would come from our narrow focus groups--even though, combined, we probably only number something like a thousand members, some of whom overlap? It's rather mind-boggling, really. A thousand fans is a VERY small group, compared to the millions that go to see any given film, or the tens of thousands that purchase spinoff fiction--so how is it that almost every person whose letter was published in those six issues can be found in these few groups?

Are Planet of the Apes fans a dying breed?

1 - I take it most of us have seen the Simpson's Planet of the Apes Musical? Can't one just see Phil Hartman's toothy grin as he says "It's the part I was born to play, Baby!" (Dr. Zaius to Rock Me Amadeus is hysterical).

2 - Imagine how Conquest and Battle would have looked had Fox put some real money into them, rather than doing them on TV Movie budget!

3 - I hope Cesar never gets made. I'd rather have no new Apes than bad new apes...

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Anyone need a Sideshow Caesar

http://cgi.ebay.com/PLANET-OF-THE-APES-CAESAR-12-FIGURE-SIDESHOW-TOYS-MIB_W0QQitemZ200343095673QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item2ea5610979&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1199%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

POTA is really a dead franchise, or at the very least a semi-comatose
one. It was always a minor SF cult. Yeah, the films were generally
popular and are remembered by nearly everyone around at the time, but
they weren't exactly Star Trek or Star Wars big.

Now they're mostly nostalgia, and nostalgia is a form of mourning, a
wish to return to the a past that's no more. We all wish we could
return, at least for a little while, to the kids we were and these
films really captured our imaginations. I'll be fifty next month and
when I watch the original POTA, which is my favorite of all movies, it
isn't the same as when I watched it when I was 8, 9, 10 or even 20
years old.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 16 May 2009 10:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Are we really all there is?








i dont know what i expected joining this group im really very boring
ummm .......

From: Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:15:11 PM
Subject: [pota] Are we really all there is?

















So milions enjoy the POTA movies
but very few are passionate fans who live, breath
and collect everything POTA

So my question here is what makes YOU personally
joi
n a POTA discussion group?
What do you get out of it OR why are you
here?
Why do you care ?
Why do you collect POTA stuff
?

Did anyone else here pre-order the Sideshow Premium Dr. Zaius figure?
I did, but I have no idea when it'll ship.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: luke_the_drifter52 <JLKINSER1970@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:58 am
Subject: [pota] Sideshow Caesar








Anyone need a Sideshow Caesar



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In terms of Revolution, I think the reason most of the letters came from these groups is because the comic wasn't promoted much outside these groups. Thus, we wound up being the majority of their readers.

But I don't think that we are the only POTA fans in the world. The TV networks use a formula for measuring audience response, namely every letter or phone call (positive or negative) represent 10,000 people. I think the same thing is true of these groups and forums. For everyone that has taken the trouble to join there are probably thousands of POTA fans out there who are either just too busy or are unaware of these groups or may not have a computer.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> So, I've just finished re-reading Revolution on the Planet of the Apes--damn, I love that series--and I noticed a trend that was both fascinating and disturbing. In the letters pages, I recognized the names of practically everyone who had written in, as almost all of us (yes, a truncated version of a letter from me was among them...and boy did I sound dorky) hailed from the current handful of online groups.
>
> On the one hand, that was kind of a cool experience. I've been re-reading much of my collection over the past two years--Star Trek, Hellblazer, Star Wars, Swamp Thing, Preacher and a bunch of other titles--and despite knowing a letter-writer here and there, the majority were unknown to me. With Revolution, though, almost everyone who wrote in is in our small communities.
>
> Which leads me to the other hand in this scenario...are we really all there is? Are we so small and isolated a group of fans now, that the only people who would write in to a new comic book series would come from our narrow focus groups--even though, combined, we probably only number something like a thousand members, some of whom overlap? It's rather mind-boggling, really. A thousand fans is a VERY small group, compared to the millions that go to see any given film, or the tens of thousands that purchase spinoff fiction--so how is it that almost every person whose letter was published in those six issues can be found in these few groups?
>
> Are Planet of the Apes fans a dying breed?
>

I can answer all your questions with one answer, it is simply for the love of POTA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>
> So milions enjoy the POTA movies
> but very few are passionate fans who live, breath and collect everything POTA
>
> So my question here is what makes YOU personally join a POTA discussion group?
> What do you get out of it OR why are you here?
> Why do you care ?
> Why do you collect POTA stuff ?
>

If anyone hasn't seen it, the video is available on the group website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Simpsons.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <rhob1960@...> wrote:
>
> 1 - I take it most of us have seen the Simpson's Planet of the Apes Musical? Can't one just see Phil Hartman's toothy grin as he says "It's the part I was born to play, Baby!" (Dr. Zaius to Rock Me Amadeus is hysterical).
>

Oh no you're not David!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote:
>
> i dont know what i expected joining this group im really very boring ummm .......
>

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If this helps:

We got letters we didn't print. Some were from younger kids, and some simply weren't interesting letters. I think the fact that most, if not all, of the letters we ran were from folks from these two POTA groups is probably because the letters group members wrote were more interesting.

Our sales ran between four and seven thousand copies (depending on the issue) and that's far more than are on these groups.

HOWEVER: I do believe that rabid, concentrated fandom isn't as large as it was when we all had the lunch boxes and Mego toys. Without a decent movie in decades, it's hard to keep it up with fans, and there's some evidence it's a fandom in small numbers nowadays.

But one good film, one good big budget re-imagining, like Trek just got, and it would be back in a heartbeat. Remember that "Enterprise" was cancelled and there were no more movies planned, as recently as three years ago. Recall that Batman comics were about to be cancelled for lack of sales in the mid-sixties, until the Adam West show made Batman the biggest thing in America for ten years. Doctor Who has undergone some periods in the wilderness, and until the TV series started, I might have been the lone "BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER" fan on Earth, including Joss Whedon who claims to hate his own movie.

It comes, it goes. History goes through periods when NO ONE likes Shakespeare.

Ty

Very good points Ty.

So it is not that we are the only POTA fans out there but we are the most interesting ones. LOL!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> If this helps:
>
> We got letters we didn't print. Some were from younger kids, and some
> simply weren't interesting letters. I think the fact that most, if not all,
> of the letters we ran were from folks from these two POTA groups is probably
> because the letters group members wrote were more interesting.
>
> Our sales ran between four and seven thousand copies (depending on the
> issue) and that's far more than are on these groups.
>
> HOWEVER: I do believe that rabid, concentrated fandom isn't as large as it
> was when we all had the lunch boxes and Mego toys. Without a decent movie
> in decades, it's hard to keep it up with fans, and there's some evidence
> it's a fandom in small numbers nowadays.
>
> But one good film, one good big budget re-imagining, like Trek just got, and
> it would be back in a heartbeat. Remember that "Enterprise" was cancelled
> and there were no more movies planned, as recently as three years ago.
> Recall that Batman comics were about to be cancelled for lack of sales in
> the mid-sixties, until the Adam West show made Batman the biggest thing in
> America for ten years. Doctor Who has undergone some periods in the
> wilderness, and until the TV series started, I might have been the lone
> "BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER" fan on Earth, including Joss Whedon who claims to
> hate his own movie.
>
> It comes, it goes. History goes through periods when NO ONE likes
> Shakespeare.
>
> Ty
>

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

I did.....those things always seem to come out much later than they say they will.....I ordered the new Ursus and SOldier Apes too....but I'll wait on the little cutesy characters.....Didn't feel the need to pre-order those!

---

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:26:27 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Sideshow Caesar

Did anyone else here pre-order the Sideshow Premium Dr. Zaius figure?
I did, but I have no idea when it'll ship.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: luke_the_drifter52 <JLKINSER1970@ hotmail.com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:58 am
Subject: [pota] Sideshow Caesar

Anyone need a Sideshow Caesar

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No one's keeping you here. No one's keeping you from making some excitement. How about a topic? - The prejudices people feel about each other disappear when they get to know each other - Captain James T. Kirk, "Elaan of Troyius" --- On Sat, 5/16/09, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote: From: David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Are we really all there is? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:35 PM i dont know what i expected joining this group im really very boring ummm ....... From: Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@...> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:15:11 PM Subject: [pota] Are we really all there is? So milions enjoy the POTA movies but very few are passionate fans who live, breath and collect everything POTA   So my question here is what makes YOU personally join a POTA discussion group? What do you get out of it OR why are you here? Why do you care ? Why do you collect POTA stuff ?

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On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, therubberroom101 <therubberroom101@...> wrote:

My name is Eliot Brodsky.
I'm a big fan of the Planet of the Apes films.
May 29-31 I am producing a makeup F/X show in Burbank.
MONSTERPALOOZA - THE ART OF MONSTERS
Makeup F/X greats
Verne Langdon
Dan Striepeke
Tom Burman
and actor Lou Wagner will be doing a Saturday discussion concerning the behind the scenes experiances of working on the the film and John Chambers.
This is a very art F/X driven show .
I hope you can join us.
http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p184/brod101/LAWEEKLYCORRECTED.jpg

Check out the site!
http://www.rubberroom101.com/monsterpalooza09/

Terry, I've just this minute sent my $25 by paypal and I'm looking forward to the latest issues of the original, longest running fanzine in Apedom!!! John, Scrolls.

>
>
> Looks like an interesting issue Terry. Great cover art by Graham.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Here is the website up and running to advertise the new issue and its
> contents
> > and how to order
> >
> > http://www.planetoftheapesfanclub.com/apechronicles45.htm
> >
> > If you have NOT ordered an issue of Ape Chronicles in years or ever
> > I encourage you to try it out - thanks!
> >
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Don't worry Dave. I think most of us got that you were joking.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote:
>
> i should make myself a little clearer my post exclaiming my being boring was meant only as humor since being very open to my friends and my coworkers about my being a planet of the apes fan plus various other sci fi followings i usually hear "you need a family or you need a wife or etc." i never meant to insult any member of this group. aside from my thinking i really enjoy the group and the topics and i have created topics.
>
>
>
>
> > From: Rob rhob1960@...
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:15:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Are we really all there is?
>
>
>
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> No one's keeping you here. No one's keeping you from making some excitement. How about a topic?
>
>
> - The prejudices people feel about each other disappear when they get to know each other -
> Captain James T. Kirk, "Elaan of Troyius"
>
> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@ yahoo.com> wrote:
>
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> From: David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@ yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [pota] Are we really all there is?
> To: pota@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 10:35 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> i dont know what i expected joining this group im really very boring ummm .......
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> > From: Terry Hoknes <hoknescards@ shaw.ca>
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups. com; pota@yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 4:15:11 PM
> Subject: [pota] Are we really all there is?
>
>
> So milions enjoy the POTA movies

Thanks Tim. The pics are in the Files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Treehouse%20Pics/  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

>
> Somebody recently was looking for pics of the Addar scenes-in-a-bottle models...
> here's the Tree House.....just picked it up on ebay
>

That's sad. Another POTA actor bites the dust.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> He was Leuric in "Up Above the World So High"
>
>
>
>
> Actor Frank Aletter Dies
> By Kit Hawkins May 18, 2009
>
>
> Actor
> Frank Aletter died 13 May 2009 of cancer. Born 14 January 1926 in
> Queens, New York City, he acted on stage and in films, but was best
> known for starring in the sitcoms Bringing Up Buddy (1960-61), and the short-lived It's About Time (1966-67). In the latter role, he played an astronaut who travels back
> in time to the Stone Age, and appeared in all 17 episodes. He also had
> regular roles on The Cara Williams Show (1964-65) and Nancy (1970).
> He was also a guest star in more than 100 television series. His sf/f/h appearances include: Automan (1984), Fantasy Island (1978 and 1979), Project U.F.O. (1978), The Bionic Woman (1978), Kolchak: The Night Stalker (1975), The Invisible Man (1975), The Six Million Dollar Man (1975), Planet of the Apes (1974), My Favorite Martian (1963), and The Twilight Zone (1963), as well as the film Now You See Him, Now You Don't (1972).
> Aletter was married to actress and former Miss America Lee
> Meriwether from 1958 to 1974, and married Estella Gelerter Hodes in
> 1984. She survives him, as do two daughters, actress Kyle Aletter, and
> stuntwoman Lesley Aletter.
>

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Jessica,

We will be taping the seminar.

Not sure how long it will take to be made available.

Please help spread the word on the forums about the  makeup artists talking about the original Planet films.

These guys are all in their late 60's and older,not sure how much more opportunities like this are going to be available.

 

Eliot

 

In a message dated 5/17/2009 11:34:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Eliott, this is coming up the pike very soon.  Can this be videotaped for the unlucky monkeys (like me) who are unable to attend?

 

Jessica.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, therubberroom101 <therubberroom101@ aol.com> wrote:

My name is Eliot Brodsky.
I'm a big fan of the Planet of the Apes films.
May 29-31 I am producing a makeup F/X show in Burbank.
MONSTERPALOOZA - THE ART OF MONSTERS
Makeup F/X greats
Verne Langdon
Dan Striepeke
Tom Burman
and actor Lou Wagner will be doing a Saturday discussion concerning the behind the scenes experiances of working on the the film and John Chambers.
This is a very art F/X driven show .
I hope you can join us.
http://i128. photobucket. com/albums/ p184/brod101/ LAWEEKLYCORRECTE D.jpg

Check out the site!
http://www.rubberro om101.com/ monsterpalooza09 /

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R.I.P.

Up Above the World So High is one of my favorite episodes.

Jessica.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:51 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

That's sad. Another POTA actor bites the dust.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> He was Leuric in "Up Above the World So High"
>
>
>
>
> Actor Frank Aletter Dies
> By Kit Hawkins May 18, 2009
>
>
> Actor
> Frank Aletter died 13 May 2009 of cancer. Born 14 January 1926 in
> Queens, New York City, he acted on stage and in films, but was best
> known for starring in the sitcoms Bringing Up Buddy (1960-61), and the short-lived It's About Time (1966-67). In the latter role, he played an astronaut who travels back
> in time to the Stone Age, and appeared in all 17 episodes. He also had
> regular roles on The Cara Williams Show (1964-65) and Nancy (1970).
> He was also a guest star in more than 100 television series. His sf/f/h appearances include: Automan (1984), Fantasy Island (1978 and 1979), Project U.F.O. (1978), The Bionic Woman (1978), Kolchak: The Night Stalker (1975), The Invisible Man (1975), The Six Million Dollar Man (1975), Planet of the Apes (1974), My Favorite Martian (1963), and The Twilight Zone (1963), as well as the film Now You See Him, Now You Don't (1972).
> Aletter was married to actress and former Miss America Lee
> Meriwether from 1958 to 1974, and married Estella Gelerter Hodes in
> 1984. She survives him, as do two daughters, actress Kyle Aletter, and
> stuntwoman Lesley Aletter.
>

http://rapidshare.com/files/208607523/Revolution_on_the_Planet_of_the_Apes-1-6.rar

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote:
>
> does anyone have a .cbr torrent to revolution on the planet of the apes 1 to 6
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, therubberroom101@... wrote:

>
> Jessica,
> We will be taping the seminar.
> Not sure how long it will take to be made available.
> Please help spread the word on the forums about the makeup artists
> talking about the original Planet films.
> These guys are all in their late 60's and older,not sure how much more
> opportunities like this are going to be available.
>
> Eliot
>
>
> In a message dated 5/17/2009 11:34:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> jessicarotich@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Eliott, this is coming up the pike very soon. Can this be videotaped for
> the unlucky monkeys (like me) who are unable to attend?
>
> Jessica.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:50 AM, therubberroom101
> <_therubberroom101@therubb_ (mailto:therubberroom101@...) > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> My name is Eliot Brodsky.
> I'm a big fan of the Planet of the Apes films.
> May 29-31 I am producing a makeup F/X show in Burbank.
> MONSTERPALOOZA - THE ART OF MONSTERS
> Makeup F/X greats
> Verne Langdon
> Dan Striepeke
> Tom Burman
> and actor Lou Wagner will be doing a Saturday discussion concerning the
> behind the scenes experiances of working on the the film and John Chambers.
> This is a very art F/X driven show .
> I hope you can join us.
> _http://i128.http://i128.http://i128http://i128.http://i128.<WBRhttp:_
> (http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p184/brod101/LAWEEKLYCORRECTED.jpg)
>
> Check out the site!
> _http://www.rubberrohttp://wwwhttp://www.rubbeh_
> (http://www.rubberroom101.com/monsterpalooza09/)
>
>

I had an open weekend the first week in June....Oh well....<dist>
The video tape will be greatly appreciated by those, like myself, who
won't be able to attend that weekend. Hope it is very successful, despite the economic instability.
The success of this show will allow another to be planned and scheduled...And maybe expanded in areas.
Anyway, thanks for offering to tape the the key session for those
who'll have to miss being there.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:

>
> So milions enjoy the POTA movies
> but very few are passionate fans who live, breath and collect everything POTA
>
> So my question here is what makes YOU personally join a POTA discussion group?
> What do you get out of it OR why are you here?
> Why do you care ?
> Why do you collect POTA stuff ?
>

Though I'm less active than I use to be for reasons I'm not going to bore anyone here with, I enjoyed the movies and the television series when they were out. Still think back on them from time to time, and I feel better knowing I'm not the only one who liked the movies beyond a casual viewing. The concept is still fascinating to me <being a furry fan as well>.
I still hope there can be a stand alone Apes Convention locally that would bring many of the more die hard fans together...............<still dreaming>

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I was thinking about what you said, TeddyPaw...and that's precisely what I'm working on at this side of the pond. I'm traveling to local conventions (I want to venture out in the wild blue yonder--but the marriage chain keeps yanking me back)!! I want there to be enough fans to go ape with. Right now it's my lonesome self, and that's not THAT fun. It would be better if there were a group of at least 3 or 5 or 10!! (dreaming again). It's kind of lonely being the only ape in town. But it would be neat to have a gathering of apes locally and just go out on the town and do touristy stuff, and not just go to a convention. So I'm going to keep trying and see if I can drum up enough interest from people to go ape out with me. It may take years, but there's got to be more than me on this side of the earth.

Jessica.

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Teddy Paw <teddypawpad@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Terry Hoknes" <hoknescards@...> wrote:
>

> So milions enjoy the POTA movies
> but very few are passionate fans who live, breath and collect everything POTA
>
> So my question here is what makes YOU personally join a POTA discussion group?
> What do you get out of it OR why are you here?
> Why do you care ?
> Why do you collect POTA stuff ?
>

Though I'm less active than I use to be for reasons I'm not going to bore anyone here with, I enjoyed the movies and the television series when they were out. Still think back on them from time to time, and I feel better knowing I'm not the only one who liked the movies beyond a casual viewing. The concept is still fascinating to me <being a furry fan as well>.
I still hope there can be a stand alone Apes Convention locally that would bring many of the more die hard fans together...............<still dreaming>

We interviewed Frank for Scrolls last year.I had to call him on his cell phone because his wife told me he was out shopping! He was incredibly friendly and courteous.He even acted out for me a great line for Leuric that had been cut from the shooting script, but which was a powerful explanation of Leuric's motivations.Rest in peace Frank--you'll walways be flying in that glider in my mind.John, Scrolls.

>
> R.I.P.
>
> Up Above the World So High is one of my favorite episodes.
>
> Jessica.
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 7:51 AM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > *That's sad. Another POTA actor bites the dust. *
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@> wrote:
> > >
> > > He was Leuric in "Up Above the World So High"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Actor Frank Aletter Dies
> > > By Kit Hawkins May 18, 2009
> > >
> > >
> > > Actor
> > > Frank Aletter died 13 May 2009 of cancer. Born 14 January 1926 in
> > > Queens, New York City, he acted on stage and in films, but was best
> > > known for starring in the sitcoms Bringing Up Buddy (1960-61), and the
> > short-lived It's About Time (1966-67). In the latter role, he played an
> > astronaut who travels back
> > > in time to the Stone Age, and appeared in all 17 episodes. He also had
> > > regular roles on The Cara Williams Show (1964-65) and Nancy (1970).
> > > He was also a guest star in more than 100 television series. His sf/f/h
> > appearances include: Automan (1984), Fantasy Island (1978 and 1979), Project
> > U.F.O. (1978), The Bionic Woman (1978), Kolchak: The Night Stalker (1975),
> > The Invisible Man (1975), The Six Million Dollar Man (1975), Planet of the
> > Apes (1974), My Favorite Martian (1963), and The Twilight Zone (1963), as
> > well as the film Now You See Him, Now You Don't (1972).
> > > Aletter was married to actress and former Miss America Lee
> > > Meriwether from 1958 to 1974, and married Estella Gelerter Hodes in
> > > 1984. She survives him, as do two daughters, actress Kyle Aletter, and
> > > stuntwoman Lesley Aletter.
> > >
> >
> >
>

Does anybody, anywhere, know WHO bought those unpublished Ape pages on ebay earlier this year.They went for a lot of money, which burnt me off quickly, but it does suggest a dedicated Apes fan now owns them and it would be interesting to know what oher pages they have, particularly if they have additional Viraga story pages we haven't seen.John, Scrolls.

Thanks Tim,

I've always been interested in what these actuall ylooked like, built up. They're uhmmmm... pretty... 'basic', aren't they?

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Somebody recently was looking for pics of the Addar scenes-in-a-bottle models...
> here's the Tree House.....just picked it up on ebay
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Ritter <mindwarp19662005@...> wrote:

>
> does anyone have a .cbr torrent to revolution on the planet of the apes 1 to 6
>

Why not go mad and buy the comics!

Dave

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Rory,

I also ordered the Premium Format Dr. Zaius. All I know right now is the Sideshow website has the estimated delivery date as June. I also ordered the Ursus and Gorilla Sergeant from Sideshow. Those both show estimated delivery as the 3rd Quarter of this year.

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Did anyone else here pre-order the Sideshow Premium Dr. Zaius figure?
> I did, but I have no idea when it'll ship.
>
> -- Rory
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: luke_the_drifter52 <JLKINSER1970@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:58 am
> Subject: [pota] Sideshow Caesar
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> Anyone need a Sideshow Caesar
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I don't think it is available any more. The MR. comics website says check with your local comics dealer.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
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>
> Why not go mad and buy the comics!
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>Why not go mad and buy the comics!

They're well worth paying for. Here are all 6 for 12 dollars:

https://www.badgercomics.com/product_info.php/Metallic_Rose_Comics/Revolution_of_the_Planet_of_the_Apes_Pack/ukv/1/cPath/21_28_1456/products_id/7851

Except that the site says Availability: Out of Stock.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" smugster2000@ wrote:
> >Why not go mad and buy the comics!
>
>
> They're well worth paying for. Here are all 6 for 12 dollars:
>
> https://www.badgercomics.com/product_info.php/Metallic_Rose_Comics/Revolution_of_the_Planet_of_the_Apes_Pack/ukv/1/cPath/21_28_1456/products_id/7851
>

Interesting. They do look like that they were put out recently. Has anyone else seen these anywhere?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone know anything about these? When they were put out? I'd say fairly recently....that one puzzle has artwork from the UK DVD release...
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=380125039439
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=380125040539
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=150346336064
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