i had a couple of different versions of the original lp of planet of the apes and did anyone with a good ear notice that on one lp the theme is more percussive and on another its less.it happens at the part on the screen where the title planet of the apes disappears. just telling you this because their must be many different sources they could of used but like you said they are lazy...john m

hey i have a manilla envelope from jerry anderson head of fox puplicity in 72 who sent me 19 bandw stills from conquest with a conquest postage stamp and fox logo it looks like its worth something to me..john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > Never heard of him, but what a sad letter. Can you believe it's been
> > eleven years since Roddy McDowall died?
>
> People have every right to do what they want, but it always pisses me
> off when I see somebody selling off personal letters like this....
>
> And no, I can't believe it's been 11 years. Or 16 years tomorrow
> since Vincent Price died....
>
> Hunter
>

"i remember you to rory. back about 20-30 years ago i corresponded with
you . it was somewhere in port st lucy fl. i think. and didnt you have
something to do with one of the laserdisc mags in the 80s.its coming
back to me . you take care, you are very knoweledgable about all things
apes. remember louis lagrande and how great chce-surround was going to
be. from her ny office she expounded the wonders of this new sound
medium. boy were we niave.....john m"

I don't remember you, but I'm remembering less and less from those days
(late '80s/early '90s). All I can remember is that I discovered one
day the magazine "The Perfect Vision" and there was and article by Joe
Cappa-somebody (He later worked at Pioneer doing Special Edition LDs)
about Fox/CBS Home Video. This is where I first read that the original
stereo tracks to PLANET were lost. The article drove me nuts. I
remember I exchanged a couple letters with Bart Pierce but it got
nowhere. He had no idea where the stereo tracks could be. Later,
after the disaster that was the letterboxed PLANET LD (a terrible
off-color transfer that I'm told by Scott Bosco couldn't be correctly
color corrected because of the limited technology of the day), I wrote
an article about the importance of the film that got published in "The
Perfect Vision." I then started a letter writing campaign to Fox to
get PLANET the kind of Special Edition LD tratment it derserved. We
know how successful that was. I also had a couple letters published in
"Widescreen Review" on PLANET, and an authority there told me an
interesting story about how a few 4-track MagOptical prints were made
for PLANET back in '68, but never used and later disappeared. I knew
way back then that what Fox needed to do was to get down into the
vaults and get PLANET's original film and audio elements and do a
complete restoration, but these companies are too cheap to do that.
I'm still not 100% sure how much proper restoration has been done on
PLANET. Fox certainly has done a great job on another of my favorites,
THE SAND PEBBLES, but again, the complete Roadshow version of that film
has not been properly restored (I won't go into the details).

But, I'm pretty tired and burnt out from this stuff. There's just
little you can do about it. I'm thankful for what we've got now on
Blu-ray. It could be much worse, and maybe in the future it'll be
better.

-- Rory

in the next issue with robbie the robot on the cover,i think is the letter i wrote about the laserdiscs that the perfect vision forwarded to everyone and then fox called me up personally and it was bart pierce and the rest they say is history john m...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "i remember you to rory. back about 20-30 years ago i corresponded with
> you . it was somewhere in port st lucy fl. i think. and didnt you have
> something to do with one of the laserdisc mags in the 80s.its coming
> back to me . you take care, you are very knoweledgable about all things
> apes. remember louis lagrande and how great chce-surround was going to
> be. from her ny office she expounded the wonders of this new sound
> medium. boy were we niave.....john m"
>
> I don't remember you, but I'm remembering less and less from those days
> (late '80s/early '90s). All I can remember is that I discovered one
> day the magazine "The Perfect Vision" and there was and article by Joe
> Cappa-somebody (He later worked at Pioneer doing Special Edition LDs)
> about Fox/CBS Home Video. This is where I first read that the original
> stereo tracks to PLANET were lost. The article drove me nuts. I
> remember I exchanged a couple letters with Bart Pierce but it got
> nowhere. He had no idea where the stereo tracks could be. Later,
> after the disaster that was the letterboxed PLANET LD (a terrible
> off-color transfer that I'm told by Scott Bosco couldn't be correctly
> color corrected because of the limited technology of the day), I wrote
> an article about the importance of the film that got published in "The
> Perfect Vision." I then started a letter writing campaign to Fox to
> get PLANET the kind of Special Edition LD tratment it derserved. We
> know how successful that was. I also had a couple letters published in
> "Widescreen Review" on PLANET, and an authority there told me an
> interesting story about how a few 4-track MagOptical prints were made
> for PLANET back in '68, but never used and later disappeared. I knew
> way back then that what Fox needed to do was to get down into the
> vaults and get PLANET's original film and audio elements and do a
> complete restoration, but these companies are too cheap to do that.
> I'm still not 100% sure how much proper restoration has been done on
> PLANET. Fox certainly has done a great job on another of my favorites,
> THE SAND PEBBLES, but again, the complete Roadshow version of that film
> has not been properly restored (I won't go into the details).
>
> But, I'm pretty tired and burnt out from this stuff. There's just
> little you can do about it. I'm thankful for what we've got now on
> Blu-ray. It could be much worse, and maybe in the future it'll be
> better.
>
> -- Rory
>

boy our experiences are quite the same,thats why i know your name so well. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "i remember you to rory. back about 20-30 years ago i corresponded with
> you . it was somewhere in port st lucy fl. i think. and didnt you have
> something to do with one of the laserdisc mags in the 80s.its coming
> back to me . you take care, you are very knoweledgable about all things
> apes. remember louis lagrande and how great chce-surround was going to
> be. from her ny office she expounded the wonders of this new sound
> medium. boy were we niave.....john m"
>
> I don't remember you, but I'm remembering less and less from those days
> (late '80s/early '90s). All I can remember is that I discovered one
> day the magazine "The Perfect Vision" and there was and article by Joe
> Cappa-somebody (He later worked at Pioneer doing Special Edition LDs)
> about Fox/CBS Home Video. This is where I first read that the original
> stereo tracks to PLANET were lost. The article drove me nuts. I
> remember I exchanged a couple letters with Bart Pierce but it got
> nowhere. He had no idea where the stereo tracks could be. Later,
> after the disaster that was the letterboxed PLANET LD (a terrible
> off-color transfer that I'm told by Scott Bosco couldn't be correctly
> color corrected because of the limited technology of the day), I wrote
> an article about the importance of the film that got published in "The
> Perfect Vision." I then started a letter writing campaign to Fox to
> get PLANET the kind of Special Edition LD tratment it derserved. We
> know how successful that was. I also had a couple letters published in
> "Widescreen Review" on PLANET, and an authority there told me an
> interesting story about how a few 4-track MagOptical prints were made
> for PLANET back in '68, but never used and later disappeared. I knew
> way back then that what Fox needed to do was to get down into the
> vaults and get PLANET's original film and audio elements and do a
> complete restoration, but these companies are too cheap to do that.
> I'm still not 100% sure how much proper restoration has been done on
> PLANET. Fox certainly has done a great job on another of my favorites,
> THE SAND PEBBLES, but again, the complete Roadshow version of that film
> has not been properly restored (I won't go into the details).
>
> But, I'm pretty tired and burnt out from this stuff. There's just
> little you can do about it. I'm thankful for what we've got now on
> Blu-ray. It could be much worse, and maybe in the future it'll be
> better.
>
> -- Rory
>

Right Rory.  The one thing that drives me nuts is that the French mix is better that the English.  I still think FOX just screwed up and used the wrong music/sound effects mix for the English soundtrack - it was meant to have the same music/soundeffects mix as the French.  It is the first time someone at FOX just chose the wrong one.  It had happened with ALIEN years ago for the Laserdisc Box set - and no one knew. Just like the Blu-ray release for MGM's MOONRAKER.  - Scott B. --- On Sat, 10/24/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 24, 2009, 4:50 PM   "planets tracks are several generations down from those original days.even bart pierce admitted they made a lame attempt and that rca studios and some salt mines in kansas[his words not mine]had great stereo tracks of planet but it would cost to much." So, Bart Pierce told you the original stereo tracks for PLANET are in the Kansas salt mine? This wouldn't surprise me. I've always suspected that the so-called "Lost" stereo tracks weren't really lost, just so boxed away someplace that no one knows where the box is. (Because PLANET was at first going to be released in stereo, but at the last minute Fox got cheap -- because DOLITTLE was doing little -- and just opted for mono.) I'm sure the attitude that it would cost too much to properly retrive them is the real truth. But what is Fox waiting for?!! The 50th anniversary? The 100th?!!! How long will the elements last, salt mine or no salt mine? How much time has the world got? Somebody has to begin to care. What I'm really most upset about with the Blu-ray (other than no isolated score with commentary) is that they didn't give us the option of the previous Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack from the 35th anniversary DVD. I think the fedelity of the DTS HD soundtrack on the Blu-ray is better, but the 5.1 stereo surround remix is a bad joke. -- Rory -----Original Message----- From: johnmermigas <johnmermigas@ yahoo.com> To: pota@yahoogroups. com Sent: Fri, Oct 23, 2009 9:07 pm Subject: [pota] planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad   fox was never able to get the original good sounding tracks for video release and i guess never will. the sound on the blu-ray for planet of the apes, is bad. like i said many times before when hbo and cinemax played the films in the early 90s they sounded wonderfull[full, dynamic , mono,some stereo] the way i remember them. i like most of you recorded them from tv in the early 70s and at drive-ins[i hard wired it into a great reel to reel sony deck]. planets tracks are several generations down from those original days.even bart pierce admitted they made a lame attempt and that rca studios and some salt mines in kansas[his words not mine]had great stereo tracks of planet but it would cost to much.hbo and cinemax did their own mastering at that time but they did right. i sent another post talking about the same thing so ill stop.planets sound is shamefull in every way .

Rory, I wrote for the Perfect Vision - I wonder which issue you read about PLANET?   I remember that terrible Laserdisc release - at the time the person in charge of the releases was Louis Lagrone, in NY.  I was communicating to her much of my conversations w/Bart. Bart on the other hand was so frustrated and how limited he was in turning out a good master, both in terms of the technology of the times and the always cheapness he had to deal with by FOX. - Scott B.   --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 1:34 AM   "i remember you to rory. back about 20-30 years ago i corresponded with you . it was somewhere in port st lucy fl. i think. and didnt you have something to do with one of the laserdisc mags in the 80s.its coming back to me . you take care, you are very knoweledgable about all things apes. remember louis lagrande and how great chce-surround was going to be. from her ny office she expounded the wonders of this new sound medium. boy were we niave.....john m" I don't remember you, but I'm remembering less and less from those days (late '80s/early '90s). All I can remember is that I discovered one day the magazine "The Perfect Vision" and there was and article by Joe Cappa-somebody (He later worked at Pioneer doing Special Edition LDs) about Fox/CBS Home Video. This is where I first read that the original stereo tracks to PLANET were lost. The article drove me nuts. I remember I exchanged a couple letters with Bart Pierce but it got nowhere. He had no idea where the stereo tracks could be. Later, after the disaster that was the letterboxed PLANET LD (a terrible off-color transfer that I'm told by Scott Bosco couldn't be correctly color corrected because of the limited technology of the day), I wrote an article about the importance of the film that got published in "The Perfect Vision." I then started a letter writing campaign to Fox to get PLANET the kind of Special Edition LD tratment it derserved. We know how successful that was. I also had a couple letters published in "Widescreen Review" on PLANET, and an authority there told me an interesting story about how a few 4-track MagOptical prints were made for PLANET back in '68, but never used and later disappeared. I knew way back then that what Fox needed to do was to get down into the vaults and get PLANET's original film and audio elements and do a complete restoration, but these companies are too cheap to do that. I'm still not 100% sure how much proper restoration has been done on PLANET. Fox certainly has done a great job on another of my favorites, THE SAND PEBBLES, but again, the complete Roadshow version of that film has not been properly restored (I won't go into the details). But, I'm pretty tired and burnt out from this stuff. There's just little you can do about it. I'm thankful for what we've got now on Blu-ray. It could be much worse, and maybe in the future it'll be better. -- Rory

the only way in the future fox can ever make any more money on apes is to retreive the original soundtracks or something as bold as that. they dried up all the other options and gimmicks...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Right Rory. The one thing that drives me nuts is that the French mix is better that the English. I still think FOX just screwed up and used the wrong music/sound effects mix for the English soundtrack - it was meant to have the same music/soundeffects mix as the French. It is the first time someone at FOX just chose the wrong one. It had happened with ALIEN years ago for the Laserdisc Box set - and no one knew.
> Just like the Blu-ray release for MGM's MOONRAKER.
> - Scott B.
>

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No, FOX will continue to make money on APES because most people just don't care.  They a continue to purchase and not complain.  Look at most of the people here - most are very happy and will live with it - and that's the fans.  If a large enough group complained when the box set was released about the various issues that plagued that set then maybe it would have proved to FOX they should step up and do what is right.  But, when a major money making group like APEMANIA sell out just for personal time in the spotlight it empowers FOX.  I gave up dealing with FOX long ago when they stopped paying for the use of materials in my collection.  I'm not going to be raped, and my ego is healthy enough not to be tempted by just knowing my stuff is being used.  The prime word here is "used".  If FOX wanted my stuff then they would have to come to terms in how my material was going to be used in in a release and how that release was being handled. I learned that lesson with WB.  When they dropped the bit rate for a film being released that required a higher one I pulled my stuff out of the loop because it would be attached with a shitty released.  WB loves to save money with manufacturing low bit rate titles, instead of variable rate ones.  They increase the bit rate towards the end of the film for better quality to leave the viewer with a perceived notion of quality.  Just look at the first HARRY POTTER film - the theatrical trailer is better looking than the film itself.  They also used the same transfer for Blu-ray.  I waiting to see if the new edition forth coming will be a new master. It boggles my mind that smaller companies like ANCHOR BAY, and BLUE UNDERGROUND owning the rights to films with even smaller niches do more on those releases than FOX does on theirs, like APES. I've been on the phone with FOX for the past year trying to get a deal going with another company to take over the Midnite Movies line they acquired from MGM.  The people I've dealt with are rude and just plain dumb.  When I mentioned which company was interested in taking over this line they person I was talking to hadn't even heard of them, yet they have been around since the days of laser!  Yet this person is making major decisions on product released. FOX has gone through a bad bunch of people in the past 10 years, and it's only getting worse. --- On Sun, 10/25/09, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote: From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 9:03 AM   the only way in the future fox can ever make any more money on apes is to retreive the original soundtracks or something as bold as that. they dried up all the other options and gimmicks...john m --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote: > > Right Rory.  The one thing that drives me nuts is that the French mix is better that the English.  I still think FOX just screwed up and used the wrong music/sound effects mix for the English soundtrack - it was meant to have the same music/soundeffects mix as the French.  It is the first time someone at FOX just chose the wrong one.  It had happened with ALIEN years ago for the Laserdisc Box set - and no one knew. > Just like the Blu-ray release for MGM's MOONRAKER.  > - Scott B. >

yeah ,i remember your posters at the end of the laserdiscs...from the collection of scott bosco...boy if you couldnt get anywhere i guess we are doomed....what a handfull of sh## we were given in those days..john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> No, FOX will continue to make money on APES because most people just don't care. They a continue to purchase and not complain. Look at most of the people here - most are very happy and will live with it - and that's the fans. If a large enough group complained when the box set was released about the various issues that plagued that set then maybe it would have proved to FOX they should step up and do what is right. But, when a major money making group like APEMANIA sell out just for personal time in the spotlight it empowers FOX. I gave up dealing with FOX long ago when they stopped paying for the use of materials in my collection. I'm not going to be raped, and my ego is healthy enough not to be tempted by just knowing my stuff is being used. The prime word here is "used". If FOX wanted my stuff then they would have to come to terms in how my material was going to be used in in a release and how that release was being handled. I learned
> that lesson with WB. When they dropped the bit rate for a film being released that required a higher one I pulled my stuff out of the loop because it would be attached with a shitty released. WB loves to save money with manufacturing low bit rate titles, instead of variable rate ones. They increase the bit rate towards the end of the film for better quality to leave the viewer with a perceived notion of quality. Just look at the first HARRY POTTER film - the theatrical trailer is better looking than the film itself. They also used the same transfer for Blu-ray. I waiting to see if the new edition forth coming will be a new master.
> It boggles my mind that smaller companies like ANCHOR BAY, and BLUE UNDERGROUND owning the rights to films with even smaller niches do more on those releases than FOX does on theirs, like APES.
> I've been on the phone with FOX for the past year trying to get a deal going with another company to take over the Midnite Movies line they acquired from MGM. The people I've dealt with are rude and just plain dumb. When I mentioned which company was interested in taking over this line they person I was talking to hadn't even heard of them, yet they have been around since the days of laser! Yet this person is making major decisions on product released.
> FOX has gone through a bad bunch of people in the past 10 years, and it's only getting worse.
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 9:03 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> the only way in the future fox can ever make any more money on apes is to retreive the original soundtracks or something as bold as that. they dried up all the other options and gimmicks...john m
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > Right Rory. The one thing that drives me nuts is that the French mix is better that the English. I still think FOX just screwed up and used the wrong music/sound effects mix for the English soundtrack - it was meant to have the same music/soundeffects mix as the French. It is the first time someone at FOX just chose the wrong one. It had happened with ALIEN years ago for the Laserdisc Box set - and no one knew.
> > Just like the Blu-ray release for MGM's MOONRAKER.
> > - Scott B.
> >
>

the perfect vision did a nice piece on planet back in 91 and so did film comment and they both ended with how bad the transfers were and how fox blew it and charged so much for the privledge. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Rory,
> I wrote for the Perfect Vision - I wonder which issue you read about PLANET?
>
> I remember that terrible Laserdisc release - at the time the person in charge of the releases was Louis Lagrone, in NY. I was communicating to her much of my conversations w/Bart.
> Bart on the other hand was so frustrated and how limited he was in turning out a good master, both in terms of the technology of the times and the always cheapness he had to deal with by FOX.
> - Scott B.
>
> --- On Sun, 10/25/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 1:34 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "i remember you to rory. back about 20-30 years ago i corresponded with
> you . it was somewhere in port st lucy fl. i think. and didnt you have
> something to do with one of the laserdisc mags in the 80s.its coming
> back to me . you take care, you are very knoweledgable about all things
> apes. remember louis lagrande and how great chce-surround was going to
> be. from her ny office she expounded the wonders of this new sound
> medium. boy were we niave.....john m"
>
> I don't remember you, but I'm remembering less and less from those days
> (late '80s/early '90s). All I can remember is that I discovered one
> day the magazine "The Perfect Vision" and there was and article by Joe
> Cappa-somebody (He later worked at Pioneer doing Special Edition LDs)
> about Fox/CBS Home Video. This is where I first read that the original
> stereo tracks to PLANET were lost. The article drove me nuts. I
> remember I exchanged a couple letters with Bart Pierce but it got
> nowhere. He had no idea where the stereo tracks could be. Later,
> after the disaster that was the letterboxed PLANET LD (a terrible
> off-color transfer that I'm told by Scott Bosco couldn't be correctly
> color corrected because of the limited technology of the day), I wrote
> an article about the importance of the film that got published in "The
> Perfect Vision." I then started a letter writing campaign to Fox to
> get PLANET the kind of Special Edition LD tratment it derserved. We
> know how successful that was. I also had a couple letters published in
> "Widescreen Review" on PLANET, and an authority there told me an
> interesting story about how a few 4-track MagOptical prints were made
> for PLANET back in '68, but never used and later disappeared. I knew
> way back then that what Fox needed to do was to get down into the
> vaults and get PLANET's original film and audio elements and do a
> complete restoration, but these companies are too cheap to do that.
> I'm still not 100% sure how much proper restoration has been done on
> PLANET. Fox certainly has done a great job on another of my favorites,
> THE SAND PEBBLES, but again, the complete Roadshow version of that film
> has not been properly restored (I won't go into the details).
>
> But, I'm pretty tired and burnt out from this stuff. There's just
> little you can do about it. I'm thankful for what we've got now on
> Blu-ray. It could be much worse, and maybe in the future it'll be
> better.
>
> -- Rory
>

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When Famous Monsters magazine announced there was gonna be a 2nd sequel (ESCAPE) I thought it was a joke. Then they included a shot of Cornelius & Zira face down covered in blood ("are they dead or just knocked out?" .asked FM) so I knew the ending before I ever saw it...

 

Bruce 

 

In a message dated 10/24/2009 4:59:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Oh, you poor humans who weren't around back when these films originally
came out, back when there was only PLANET, then when there was BENEATH
and you thought that was it, then the surprise that there'd be an
ESCAPE! Back when these films could only be seen in theatres and you
never knew when you'd see them again, and how fantastic it was when you
were finally going to see them again. I really miss those days.

-- Rory

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This is why I gave up writing letters to Fox. There's no getting past
the mediocrity of the people they hire. I'm sure their are some in the
company that really care, but they're in the minority and are still
ruled over by the bean counters. Although I don't like it, I'm so
exhausted giving a damn that I'm just thankful for what I've got.

Also, I wouldn't get too hopeful of ever getting "deleted scenes."
Again, if they do exist, they're so deep down in the salt mines that
they might as well be on Mars.

-- Rory

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No, FOX will continue to make money on APES because most people just
don't care. They a continue to purchase and not complain. Look at
most of the people here - most are very happy and will live with it -
and that's the fans. If a large enough group complained when the box
set was released about the various issues that plagued that set then
maybe it would have proved to FOX they should step up and do what is
right. But, when a major money making group like APEMANIA sell out
just for personal time in the spotlight it empowers FOX. I gave up
dealing with FOX long ago when they stopped paying for the use of
materials in my collection. I'm not going to be raped, and my ego is
healthy enough not to be tempted by just knowing my stuff is being
used. The prime word here is "used". If FOX wanted my stuff then they
would have to come to terms in how my material was going to be used in
in a release and how that release was being handled. I learned that
lesson with WB. When they dropped the bit rate for a film being
released that required a higher one I pulled my stuff out of the loop
because it would be attached with a shitty released. WB loves to save
money with manufacturing low bit rate titles, instead of variable rate
ones. They increase the bit rate towards the end of the film for
better quality to leave the viewer with a perceived notion of quality.
Just look at the first HARRY POTTER film - the theatrical trailer is
better looking than the film itself. They also used the same transfer
for Blu-ray. I waiting to see if the new edition forth coming will be
a new master.
It boggles my mind that smaller companies like ANCHOR BAY, and BLUE
UNDERGROUND owning the rights to films with even smaller niches do more
on those releases than FOX does on theirs, like APES.
I've been on the phone with FOX for the past year trying to get a deal
going with another company to take over the Midnite Movies line they
acquired from MGM. The people I've dealt with are rude and just plain
dumb. When I mentioned which company was interested in taking over
this line they person I was talking to hadn't even heard of them, yet
they have been around since the days of laser! Yet this person is
making major decisions on product released.
FOX has gone through a bad bunch of people in the past 10 years, and
it's only getting worse.
--- On Sun, 10/25/09, JohnM conquest-idor
<johnmermigas@...> wrote:


From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, October 25, 2009, 9:03 AM




the only way in the future fox can ever make any more money on apes is
to retrieve the original soundtracks or something as bold as that. they
dried up all the other options and gimmicks...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...>
wrote:

>
> Right Rory. The one thing that drives me nuts is that the French

mix is better that the English. I still think FOX just screwed up and
used the wrong music/sound effects mix for the English soundtrack - it
was meant to have the same music/soundeffects mix as the French. It is
the first time someone at FOX just chose the wrong one. It had
happened with ALIEN years ago for the Laserdisc Box set - and no one
knew.

> Just like the Blu-ray release for MGM's MOONRAKER.
> -

Scott B.

>

"the perfect vision did a nice piece on planet back in 91 and so did
film comment and they both ended with how bad the transfers were and
how fox blew it and charged so much for the privledge. john m"

Yeah, I wrote that piece in "The Perfect Vision." I have a copy
someplace and if your letter is also in it, I'll scan that.

But, isn't it sad that here we are all these years later still bitching
about the same things?

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 12:18 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad

the perfect vision did a nice piece on planet back in 91 and so did
film comment and they both ended with how bad the transfers were and
how fox blew it and charged so much for the privledge. john m

"yeah ,i remember your posters at the end of the laserdiscs...from the
collection of scott bosco...boy if you couldnt get anywhere i guess we
are doomed....what a handfull of sh## we were given in those days..john
m"

Boy, it's been so many years since I watched those laserdiscs (I no
longer even have a player and why would I want to watch them now
anyway?) that I've forgotten about those poster and still "extras" at
the end of the laserdiscs. Yeah, the little we got then was pretty
pathetic.

I wanted Fox to do a boxed Special Edition laserdisc of PLANET with the
kind of extras they were giving ALIEN, but remember the uproar over how
much Fox was charging for the ALIEN LD? $100.00!!!!!

In retrospect it's better I never got the LD on PLANET that I wanted --
I'd have paid through the ass for it, ultimately been dissatisfied, and
eventually never watch it any more! I can imagine the day when I'll
never watch the Blu-rays anymore.

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 12:14 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad

yeah ,i remember your posters at the end of the laserdiscs...from the
collection of scott bosco...boy if you couldnt get anywhere i guess we
are doomed....what a handfull of sh## we were given in those days..john
m

"When Famous Monsters magazine announced there was gonna be a 2nd
sequel (ESCAPE) I thought it was a joke. Then they included a shot of
Cornelius & Zira face down covered in blood ("are they dead or just
knocked out?" .asked FM) so I knew the ending before I ever saw it...

Bruce"

I found out Fox was doing ESCAPE from an article in The New York Times
on Kim Hunter, and this was in December 1970. My thought was like that
of Govenor Breck in CONQUEST, "But How?!!!"

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: stenosaurus@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 12:36 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: APE MARATHON ONSCREEN Oct. 24 in PITTSBURGH











When Famous Monsters magazine announced there was gonna be a 2nd sequel
(ESCAPE) I thought it was a joke. Then they included a shot of
Cornelius &
Zira face down covered in blood ("are they dead or just knocked out?"
.asked FM)
so I knew the ending before I ever saw it...

Bruce


In a message dated 10/24/2009 4:59:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:





Oh, you poor humans who weren't around back when these films originally

came out, back when there was only PLANET, then when there was BENEATH

and you thought that was it, then the surprise that there'd be an

ESCAPE! Back when these films could only be seen in theatres and you

never knew when you'd see them again, and how fantastic it was when you

were finally going to see them again. I really miss those days.

--
Rory

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i dont want to speask for rory but in reality,we were told they were around and that fox was lazy or to cheap to spend the money to search or follow leads.bart pierce, lewis lagrone, and a few others confirmed that extra footage and better sound element are around. i personally spoke to a former employee in pennsylvania back in 89-91 who had 4 track sound elements of planet but when he offered them to fox for a small price they said f### you and " what are you doing with them." even though my association with bart ended acromoneasly he was fustrated that fox didnt really care. the first laserdisc version of beneath was mostly his doing and by the standards at the time time it was very good esp. compared to the planet laserdisc.he said he found most of the elements in spain of allplaces. this is a long time ago and like rory said we are all tired now of the crap and feel let down.persons find new elements of old music,moviesif they keep looking and if they want to. fox has a bad history of the quick buck and charging 10to30%more than the other companies for their inferior product. before the bluray the framing of conquest [ the 2.40 picture ]and the sound was screwed up and every new version of planet is different and basically getting worse.the new planet is no new print. the digitally fixed beneath and escape make planet look sick.the new book is nice and the new docs, are nice but what fox is doing is putting a bandaid on the gunshotblast. people like rory, scott,jeff,myself[john] and many others simply want good elements.the extra stuff is just that...extra! sorry for keep harping on this but it brings back alot of bad b.s. memories from tjhose suites at fox and they killed the fun for us audio/video guys who want[ and know the movies deserve] the best....john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> How do you know this Rory?
>
>
>
> Where did the original cut of Conquest come from?
>
> MIchael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Haristas@...
> Sent: Monday, 26 October 2009 4:57 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad
>
> Also, I wouldn't get too hopeful of ever getting "deleted scenes."
> Again, if they do exist, they're so deep down in the salt mines that
> they might as well be on Mars.
>
> -- Rory
>

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it wasnt rory who stated most of this stuff but mostly myself. we knew where alot of the elements came from. like i posted we had discussions with the fox people and over the years we found out alot. most of the info was from the laserdisc days so were alittle foggy. conquest came most likely from a japanese version the apes films. i bet it is a seamless branching version meaning the first hour is the same of both versions and the directors cut is just a branching of the original riot and ending.[ the sequels] were trimmed to close to 90 minute lengths for more showings per day. some times it had nothing to do with violence as to why they were trimmed. the prologe was filmed and it was removed i bet for time considerations and then parts were used later in the movie,most notably when caesar is hunted down to be electrocuted.the guards helmuts and the actors playing them[one of them was george steele the stunt co-ordinator]were different. i have some color kodak stills of the prolouge so i know it was shot and the cinemafantastique article from 72 talks all about it.in fact parts of the interviews were done while it was being shot. anyway what a mess...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> OK understood but Rory shouldn't go claiming he knows where these things are
> because he does not know.
>
>
>
> And again I ask - does anyone know where CONQUEST came from? Maybe it is
> from the mines and maybe they grabbed a few things for the 50th anniversary
> while they were there?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

>
> No, FOX will continue to make money on APES because most people just don't care. They a continue to purchase and not complain.

Last year, IMHO Fox badly mishandled the UK release of the Blu Rays (No Book, inferior packaging, no extended `Battle", inferior sound and no option to buy each title individually). I wrote 18 snail mail letters including each time a SAE and over 20 emails not one of which was even acknowledged, let alone answered.

As a result I never bought the set and made myself a promise to boycott anything further from Fox, be it DVDs, Blu Rays, new cinema releases or related merchandise. I have to say I've stuck to that pretty well, it's one tiny droplet in a vast ocean but it makes me feel better.

My resolve weakened a little this past weekend with the release of Wolverine, X-Men origins. I know they're never going to win any awards but I've enjoyed all the X men movies to date so I found myself looking at the title on Blu Ray.

In the UK the DVD will cost you £15. If you want the blu ray it's £20 but you have to buy the `triple edition pack'. This includes a copy of the movie on Blu, an additional copy on DVD (?) and a third disc featuring a downloadable version. I cheekily asked the sales assistant if he would he be able to remove the unwanted DVD (which on its own costs £15) and only charge me £5 for the blu ray disc (which was all I wanted) and he proved that it's true… we British do not have a sense of humor :0).

The next day I found myself at a convention where there was the largest display of the Wolverine movie poster I'd ever seen. I approached the stand hoping that I might find the disc at a more favorable, special convention rate. I asked the Fox Rep overseeing the stand, where were all the discs for sale? and was told there were none – they were only there to raise awareness that the movie was now on sale outside of the convention. I cheekily suggested this was something of a missed opportunity and he proved that it's true… we British do not have a sense of humor.

As consolation he gave me a free FOX Wolverine promotional disc and a postcard.

I later put the FOX disc into my Blu ray machine and discovered that it had nothing to do with Wolverine movie at all but was actually an extended advert for the wonders of Blu ray that was intended to encourage the viewer to make the switch from standard to Hi-Def. The thing is that this is supplied on a blu ray disc that can only be played on a blu ray machine that presumably can only be viewed by someone that has already made the switch?

Maybe Fox UK do have a sense of humor?

Dave

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In a message dated 10/23/2009 7:40:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

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> we British do not have a sense of humor :0).

I *knew* it! 8-)

All amazing and sad and, unfortunately, expected.

I, too, haven't quite seen the point of the 3-disc combo packs.
Presumably, it's because they know a lot of people haven't bought
Blu-ray players. I presume the intention is that if they provide you
with a Blu-ray disc, you'll upgrade. Seems to me that the reality is
that since you have the DVD, you're less likely to upgrade.

As someone who has yet to step up to Blu-ray (because I'm not ready to
purchase a new TV yet), I kind of like the idea of having both for
when I do make the switch. But I don't like the prices they charge
for these.

Apparently, the new Harry Potter DVD will be a combo-pack. If there's
a DVD-only or Blu-ray-only release, Amazon didn't have them listed
when I searched. Fortunately, Amazon has the combo pack discounted
almost 50%, so it's only $18.99 instead of $35. Otherwise, I probably
wouldn't be buying it.

> The
> thing is that this is supplied on a blu ray disc that can only be
> played on a blu ray machine that presumably can only be viewed by
> someone that has already made the switch?

> Maybe Fox UK do have a sense of humor?

That's hilarious. And typical.

Hunter

> I agree that the addedd footage of Galen would be great in between
> the 5 TV movies. I just saw your post and I am a HUGE fan of the TV
> series and have never heard of "That's Hollywood" episode dedicated to
> the POTA series. Do you know what it is about or where i can view it?

It was on the Rarities DVDs that I made several years ago (after I put
out the first one, I received a better-quality version and put it on
the second DVD).

Alex Ruiz has placed the contents of both Rarities DVDs on his
website. The episode of "That's Hollywood" can be found on this page:

http://www.potacollective.com.htmltv_press1.html"

Hunter

Thanks for keeping us informed Chris.

One thing I was wondering was if NATO films were done for any of the sequels beyond Beneath.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've been in touch with the person I know at Fox Movie Channel, and he's
> interested in trying to dig up some of the other rare POTA clips (that
> haven't been officially released) for future use as interstitials during
> marathons. To keep things simple, I'm only going to suggest material
> stuff that was either prepared by
> Fox or produced in conjunction with Fox. Between the three different DVD
> Box Sets and the 2 disc BEHIND, I think most of the rarities have been
> released. So here's what I've come up with that's still missing:
>
> - BENEATH NATO Presentation
>
> - aged Galen footage (which would work very well considering that they
> run the five TV movies)
>
> - the "That's Hollywood" episode dedicated to the POTA series
>
> If anyone has any other suggestions, please either post them here or
> e-mail me directly (preferably, both). Again, I'm not looking for stuff
> like Roddy hosting the Sci-Fi Channel Marathon, the AMC 30th Anniversary
> bumpers, the various apes references on The Simpsons, Futurama, Family
> Guy, conventions appearances, or so forth. Granted yes, they're all
> interesting to see, but they're really not appropriate for what FMC would
> be using them for.
>
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Chris L.
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>

I wouldn't give up on writing FOX. On the whole I found them pretty responsive. Since the Evolution box set in 2001 which most panned for several reasons, FOX has reiussed the POTA films twice. The Legacy box set version in 2006 fixed problems from the Evolution set and added in the extended cut of Battle. The Blu-Ray version last year finally released the unseen original Director's cut of Conquest. Something fans had been asking for for years.

I agree about not getting too hopeful about ever getting deleted scenes. If they exist they are somewhere down in the saltmine in unlabeled or mislabeled boxes.  It would be a very expensive undertaking to search for them and then restore them to a usable condition.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> This is why I gave up writing letters to Fox. There's no getting past
> the mediocrity of the people they hire. I'm sure their are some in the
> company that really care, but they're in the minority and are still
> ruled over by the bean counters. Although I don't like it, I'm so
> exhausted giving a damn that I'm just thankful for what I've got.
>
> Also, I wouldn't get too hopeful of ever getting "deleted scenes."
> Again, if they do exist, they're so deep down in the salt mines that
> they might as well be on Mars.
>
> -- Rory
>

Just to clarify at this point -- as far as I'm concerned....

I don't want the average member here to think that I'm saying PLANET
and the rest on Blu-ray aren't good or aren't worth getting. For 99%
of you these films are going to look and sound great, but some of us
are just nitpickers... we know they're not as good as they should be.

My big problem with PLANET on Blu-ray is that the DTS-HD 5.1 mix isn't
anywhere near what it should be, and I don't think this is because of
some mix-up. I think there's an attitude by the guy who's in charge of
restoring these films, one Schawn Belston, that PLANET was originally a
mono movie and therefore when doing a 5.1 mix for DVD they shouldn't
try to manipulate it too much. If that wasn't the case, then a mono
audio option wouldn't also be on the Blu-ray. The problem is doubled
by the fact that even the mono track isn't right. The volume levels of
the sound effects vs the music aren't what they used to be. If you
were to listen to the early videos of PLANET, where the sound was mono,
you'd hear Goldsmith's score much more dominate than it is on the
Blu-ray. I believe the audio on the early PLANET videos better
represented what PLANET originally sounded like in theatres -- except
for the poor dynamic range and excessive hiss, of course. I believe
the DTS audio on the Blu-ray restores most of the dynamic range of
PLANET's original recordings and most certainly has eliminated 98% of
the hiss that has plagued it in the past (there's even less hiss than
was on the 35th Anniversary DD and DTS 5.1 audio tracks), but the 5.1
mix is, as I've said, a bad joke. THE biggest problem is the sound of
the waves during the final sequence of the film. They have that
fake-stereo/coming-down-a-tube sound that frankly drives me nuts -- and
it's even in the mono track, which just proves that the mono is merely
a downmix of the 5.1! Why every review I've read on the net doesn't
rip Fox a new one for this I don't understand.

I believe that somewhere in the universe there's a 4-track
stereo/surround mix for PLANET that was prepared in late 1967. These
original audio "stems" are most probably in some obscure box deep down
in a Kansas salt mine. Maybe someday Fox will retrieve them, but in
the meantime I really wish that they's spent the time and money on
doing a proper remix on PLANET they really replicated the 4-track mixes
of the period.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 9:01 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad








i don't want to speask for rory but in reality,we were told they were
around and that fox was lazy or to cheap to spend the money to search
or follow leads.bart pierce, lewis lagrone, and a few others confirmed
that extra footage and better sound element are around. i personally
spoke to a former employee in pennsylvania back in 89-91 who had 4
track sound elements of planet but when he offered them to fox for a
small price they said f### you and " what are you doing with them."
even though my association with bart ended acromoneasly he was
frustrated that fox didnt really care. the first laserdisc version of
beneath was mostly his doing and by the standards at the time time it
was very good esp. compared to the planet laserdisc.he said he found
most of the elements in spain of allplaces. this is a long time ago and
like rory said we are all tired now of the crap and feel let
down.persons find new elements of old music,moviesif they keep looking
and if they want to. fox has a bad history of the quick buck and
charging 10to30%more than the other companies for their inferior
product. before the bluray the framing of conquest [ the 2.40 picture
]and the sound was screwed up and every new version of planet is
different and b.s.cally getting worse.the new planet is no new print.
the digitally fixed beneath and escape make planet look sick.the new
book is nice and the new docs, are nice but what fox is doing is
putting a band aid on the gunshotblast. people like rory,
scott,jeff,myself[john] and many others simply want good elements.the
extra stuff is just that...extra! sorry for keep harping on this but
it brings back alot of bad b.s. memories from those suites at fox and
they killed the fun for us audio/video guys who want[ and know the
movies deserve] the b.s.....john m



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty"
<mswhitty@...> wrote:

>

> How do you know this Rory?

>

>

>

> Where did the original cut of Conquest come from?

>

> MIchael

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

Of

> Haristas@...

> Sent: Monday, 26 October 2009 4:57 AM

> To: pota@yahoogroups.com

> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad

>

> Also, I wouldn't get too hopeful of ever getting "deleted scenes."

> Again, if they do exist, they're so deep down in the salt mines

that

> they might as well be on Mars.

>

> -- Rory

>

"OK understood but Rory shouldn't't go claiming he knows where these
things are because he does not know."

But I DO claim I know certain things... yes, I do!

I know for certain that the chances of you ever seeing your precious
"deleted scenes" is a million to one, maybe even worse than that!

Live with it!

-- Rory



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 10:41 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad


OK understood but Rory shouldn't't go claiming
he knows where these things are because he does not know.



And again I ask – does anyone know
where CONQUEST came from? Maybe it is from the mines and maybe they
grabbed a
few things for the 50th anniversary while they were there?



Michael

that was a great reply. i dont want to take sides but now you see the different camps when it comes to films.people who take it as art and people who take it as light entertainment... john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "OK understood but Rory shouldn't’t go claiming he knows where these
> things are because he does not know."
>
> But I DO claim I know certain things... yes, I do!
>
> I know for certain that the chances of you ever seeing your precious
> "deleted scenes" is a million to one, maybe even worse than that!
>
> Live with it!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, Oct 25, 2009 10:41 pm
> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad
>
>
> OK understood but Rory shouldn't’t go claiming
> he knows where these things are because he does not know.
>
> Â
>
> And again I ask â€" does anyone know
> where CONQUEST came from? Maybe it is from the mines and maybe they
> grabbed a
> few things for the 50th anniversary while they were there?
>
>
>
> MichaelÂ
>
> Â
>

Dave,

Have you checked out trying to get yourself an "All-Region" Blu-ray
player, then simply buy your Blu-ray DVDs from the States?

-- Rory



-----Original Message-----
From: smugster2000 <smugster2000@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 3:23 am
Subject: [pota] The wisdom of FOX (UK)








--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...>
wrote:

>

> No, FOX will continue to make money on APES because most people

just don't care. They a continue to purchase and not complain.



Last year, IMHO Fox badly mishandled the UK release of the Blu Rays (No
Book, inferior packaging, no extended `Battle", inferior sound and no
option to buy each title individually). I wrote 18 snail mail letters
including each time a SAE and over 20 emails not one of which was even
acknowledged, let alone answered.



As a result I never bought the set and made myself a promise to boycott
anything further from Fox, be it DVDs, Blu Rays, new cinema releases or
related merchandise. I have to say I've stuck to that pretty well, it's
one tiny droplet in a vast ocean but it makes me feel better.



My resolve weakened a little this past weekend with the release of
Wolverine, X-Men origins. I know they're never going to win any awards
but I've enjoyed all the X men movies to date so I found myself looking
at the title on Blu Ray.



In the UK the DVD will cost you £15. If you want the blu ray it's £20
but you have to buy the `triple edition pack'. This includes a copy of
the movie on Blu, an additional copy on DVD (?) and a third disc
featuring a downloadable version. I cheekily asked the sales assistant
if he would he be able to remove the unwanted DVD (which on its own
costs £15) and only charge me £5 for the blu ray disc (which was all I
wanted) and he proved that it's true… we British do not have a sense of
humor :0).



The next day I found myself at a convention where there was the largest
display of the Wolverine movie poster I'd ever seen. I approached the
stand hoping that I might find the disc at a more favorable, special
convention rate. I asked the Fox Rep overseeing the stand, where were
all the discs for sale? and was told there were none – they were only
there to raise awareness that the movie was now on sale outside of the
convention. I cheekily suggested this was something of a missed
opportunity and he proved that it's true… we British do not have a
sense of humor.



As consolation he gave me a free FOX Wolverine promotional disc and a
postcard.



I later put the FOX disc into my Blu ray machine and discovered that it
had nothing to do with Wolverine movie at all but was actually an
extended advert for the wonders of Blu ray that was intended to
encourage the viewer to make the switch from standard to Hi-Def. The
thing is that this is supplied on a blu ray disc that can only be
played on a blu ray machine that presumably can only be viewed by
someone that has already made the switch?



Maybe Fox UK do have a sense of humor?



Dave

how are you two michael and sally.im john and im more of the opinions of rory, scott and jeff and such. you two sound like your on happy pills. fox can do no wrong in your opinion.if left to your devices we would still have the magnetic videos to watch.i could be wrong beacause i did not research all your posts but you seem to be on opium and everything is great in ape land. if it wasnt for the "complaining"of the afore mentioned people and many others during the laser days and the burgoining dvd market the public would be watching crap. your type seem to like the extras above all else.its the films that made history not a carol burnette skit.if i sound like an ass its only because of your attacks on rory and such that seem infantile so i thought id do the same[ridiculous isnt it].their are tons of apes fans probably as much as most other franchises,its just were mostly an older group and do not have the luxury of constant sequels, and t.v. to keep us on the front page sort of speak.did you see the movie lines back in the seventies and most recently 2001. it was amazing. we atract a different type of fan and their are alot of us.just all the different editions of the films on dvd is enough to prove that we are making tons of money for fox[a video spokesman for fox had confirmed this] he did alot a live chats at dvd file and other sites a few years ago. im not hear to protect rory,he doesnt need me, its just hes alittle jaded like my self. remember its the squeaky wheel that gets the oil and we should all be squeaking.... john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> OK understood but Rory shouldn't go claiming he knows where these things are
> because he does not know.
>
>
>
> And again I ask - does anyone know where CONQUEST came from? Maybe it is
> from the mines and maybe they grabbed a few things for the 50th anniversary
> while they were there?
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>

In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better" extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> it wasnt rory who stated most of this stuff but mostly myself. we knew where alot of the elements came from. like i posted we had discussions with the fox people and over the years we found out alot. most of the info was from the laserdisc days so were alittle foggy. conquest came most likely from a japanese version the apes films. i bet it is a seamless branching version meaning the first hour is the same of both versions and the directors cut is just a branching of the original riot and ending.[ the sequels] were trimmed to close to 90 minute lengths for more showings per day. some times it had nothing to do with violence as to why they were trimmed. the prologe was filmed and it was removed i bet for time considerations and then parts were used later in the movie,most notably when caesar is hunted down to be electrocuted.the guards helmuts and the actors playing them[one of them was george steele the stunt co-ordinator]were different. i have some color kodak stills of the prolouge so i know it was shot and the cinemafantastique article from 72 talks all about it.in fact parts of the interviews were done while it was being shot. anyway what a mess...john m
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > OK understood but Rory shouldn't go claiming he knows where these things are
> > because he does not know.
> >
> >
> >
> > And again I ask - does anyone know where CONQUEST came from? Maybe it is
> > from the mines and maybe they grabbed a few things for the 50th anniversary
> > while they were there?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

i stand corrected joe if i was misunderstood . i do have the black and whites of that chimp climbing the wall[2 pictures it looks like irvine college] that was the jist of my post of why the prolouge was cut. bart piece had said that at that time they were so cheap that keeping a film under 90 minutes was advantages.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better" extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo
>

movie companies always are looking to keep a certain time for films. today the golden time is 2 hours.they did want to keep the sequels closer to 90 minutes than 2 hours so they can have more showings,and thats nothing to say of costs of printing and so on.i remember learning that in ny tech when i wanted to be a cinematographer,its all money. anyway hi joe long time no see...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better" extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo
>

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i heard most complaints about the british set,no book etc.other than those rubber things to hold the blu-rays whats not to like about the u.s. set,you can buy them individualy also..

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> With all due respect, I'm absolutely baffled by the over-reaction of many
> fans to the Blu-Ray box set.
>
>
>
> Maybe it's all relative….
>
>
>
> For a fleeting moment I didn't think I was going to be able to see any of
> the movies on BR without spending about $5,000. When I heard they were
> releasing CONQUEST UNRATED I went and bought a BR Player (didn't think to
> get one that plays NTSC!).
>
>
>
> I kept my standard TV so I didn't get the glory of PROPER HD. When the Box
> Set release came closer I bought the TV – I almost got a lower definition
> without knowing because it was still ADVERTISED as an HD TV. $4,000 later I
> had the right TV.
>
>
>
> Then I realize it's all for nothing because the Box Set was not released in
> Australia (and still has not been released here).
>
>
>
> So just as I was about to re-spend $5,000, I discover the UK Box Set will
> play on PAL. What's more, it doesn't cost NEARLY as much as the US release
> (which we all know will be selling for $10 in the bargain bins within a
> year).
>
>
>
> So in perspective, I absolutely ADORE the UK Box Set and I'm so happy to get
> these movies on BR.
>
>
>
> As soon as the price drops on the US set a little more I'll buy that and
> transfer the UK discs to it and use the US discs as drink coasters.
>
>
>
> I don't disagree that Fox are a bunch of money hungry bastards and they need
> to balance things a bit by including fans and genuine artists in their
> projects, but if I were going to complain about something it would NOT be
> that BR Release!
>
> Michael
>

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joe russo might have the correct answer but i was told that for battle it definitly was to keep it at 90 minutes and in doing so they cut out the only good scenes in battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Again James you don't know this, or do you have information and a source
> that you have not let us know (like the person who told you why they cut
> BATTLE?). ;)
>
>
>
> They may just know how bad the fans want them and they could be holding back
> for another release, knowing that as they milk POTA they will need to hold
> something back!
>
>
>
> Or even worse they may have been destroyed.
>
> Ask Ken Taylor some time - he worked at Fox and he knows a lot about where
> some very cool things REALLY are!
>
> Michael
>
>
>

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nice to meet you mike....dont mind my pontificating! john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hmmm..you really think there's two of us?
>
> I'm Michael (as I sign my emails) and Sally is my wife who hates POTA.
>
>
>
> It is ironic that you say it sounds like I'm on happy pills and you somehow
> think there's two people typing my emails, and POTA is all about irony to
> me!
>
> Michael (just me!)
>
>
>

touchy..isnt he

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Ummm.,..I've SEEN the films John.
>
>
>
> I live in Australia and got a BETA release of BENEATH to watch until 1990
> when I first got my hands on the VHS release of the entire series.
>
>
>
> There's a context to all this you might want to consider before you judge
> people.
>
>
>
> I'm VERY happy with the releases and it's not your place to attack or judge
> me. I'm actually jealous of people who can stand to have a $100 sound
> system because I need more. Or people who get a $100 DVD player with
> "surround sound" and are satisfied, but I wouldn't claim to be better than
> they are - just different. And I can allow people to be different.
>
>
>
> All I have said is that Rory does NOT know the deleted scenes are in the
> Salt Mines. I didn't call him names, just stated a fact.
>
>
>
> I realize a lot of you like to take this as a cue to dump on me but you are
> just looking like fools because the fact is Rory does NOT know where they
> are and nor does James or anyone else on these groups.
>
>
>
> You don't know me John so why start attacking me?
>
> Michael (just me!)
>
>
>
>
>

i am..im retired with a bad back a knees so you can guess what im taking...the truth is that the sound issues bring back alot of bad memories for some of us so-called activist in the old days when we wrote letters and fought with fox.so please dont mind me,im also a newyorker and were never happy unless were arguing."put two new yorkers in a room and you have three opinions".like alot of people here i have original recordings from tv and drive ins [all hard wired] so i[we] know what it was like.being a classicly trained musician im also alittle pompous but a bad speller...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hi JohnM and conquest-idor
>
>
>
> Maybe you two are taking too many happy pills! :-)
>
> Michael
>

im one person also. the group changed my handle for some reason. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@...> wrote:
>
> Hi JohnM and conquest-idor
>
>
>
> Maybe you two are taking too many happy pills! :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>

Hey, a slide or 2 of a chimp up on the side of a building and never knew what it was! - Scott B. --- On Mon, 10/26/09, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote: From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 4:40 PM   i stand corrected joe if i was misunderstood . i do have the black and whites of that chimp climbing the wall[2 pictures it looks like irvine college] that was the jist of my post of why the prolouge was cut. bart piece had said that at that time they were so cheap that keeping a film under 90 minutes was advantages. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "softparadeband" <softparadeband@ ...> wrote: > > In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better" extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo >

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"i stand corrected joe if i was misunderstood . i do have the black and
whites of that chimp climbing the wall[2 pictures it looks like irvine
college] that was the jist of my post of why the prolouge was cut. bart
piece had said that at that time they were so cheap that keeping a film
under 90 minutes was advantageous."

My belief is that the reason Fox cut CONQUEST and BATTLE to less than
90 minutes is because -- and this may upset some here -- by the time in
the series that these last two films were made the majority of the
audience for APES movies was 14-year-old boys, also Fox may also have
looked to double-bill these films with other Fox movies.

Now, I was around 14 at this time, but Fox wasn't making them for me,
because I really wanted better movies than CONQUEST and BATTLE.

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 4:40 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad








i stand corrected joe if i was misunderstood . i do have the black and
whites of that chimp climbing the wall[2 pictures it looks like irvine
college] that was the jist of my post of why the prolouge was cut. bart
piece had said that at that time they were so cheap that keeping a film
under 90 minutes was advantages.



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband"
<softparadeband@...> wrote:

>

> In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final

portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in
response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members
of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better"
extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the
general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to
cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see
the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape
escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the
scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I
recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo

>

We really are startting to sound like something out of "The Big Bang
Theory" here.

Whitty, you seen that show yet?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 7:02 pm
Subject: [pota] Too many pills dude!

�
Hi JohnM and conquest-idor



Maybe you two are taking too many happy
pills! J



Michael

"Rory,
Do you (or anyone out there) have a copy of this NYT article? I've
never seen it.

Bruce"

(We're talking about an article on Kim Hunter, folks.) No, I don't
have the article, but if memory serves it was in a Sunday Arts &
Entertainment section of The New York Times, and it was some Sunday in
either later November 1970, or more probably December 1970, but I
wouldn't be surprised if it was in early January 1971.

Anyway, I don't have access to the New York Times on microfilm, but
maybe the news guy here can find it.

Go news guy, go! Uncover that artifact from a bygone era.

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: stenosaurus@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 12:56 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: APE MARATHON ONSCREEN Oct. 24 in PITTSBURGH









Rory,


Do you (or anyone out there) have a copy of this NYT article? I've
never seen it.





Bruce

"Would you agree, Rory, that you would have to have a fairly good ear
for this to be a major issue?

MIchael"

No, just a certain level of intelligence.

I suffer from tinnitus, by the way, so my ears aren't as good as they
used to be.

I'm very glad to read you love you're APES Blu-rays, Whitty. I have
this mental picture of you layed out on the couch with a can of beer
balancing on your stomach, which you don't have to look over because
you lie sideways to the TV, completely in the Forbidden Zone of APES
love watching your British Blu-rays. Brilliant, Mate! Cheers!

By the way, you didn't know Britian was PAL, Whitty?!!! Britian is the
country that sent all your -- well, I won't go there -- to go live
downunder and kill most of the black people so you can watch APES
movies in HD!

You didn't know that?!!!

-- Rory


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:39 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad



Would you agree Rory that you would have
to have a fairly good ear for this to be a major issue?



MIchael

"Not as easy as it used to be Rory – most of the new HD TVs cost an
absolute fortune to get one that plays NTSC.

Also, NTSC looks crap – main reason all my 200 or so BRs are PAL.

Michael"

I agree that PAL was better than NTSC, but we're talking the HD realm
now. I haven't seen PAL HD so I really can say what's better there.

An "All-Region" Blu-ray player converts the NTSC Blu-ray signal into
PAL, so you don't have to get a NTSC TV. As to whether a convertered
NTSC to PAL HD signal will look on just as good on a PAL TV as a PAL
Blu-ray, I don't know.

-- Rory



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:44 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: The wisdom of FOX (UK)



Not as easy as it used to be Rory – most of
the new HD TVs cost an absolute fortune to get one that plays NTSC.



Also, NTSC looks crap – main reason all my
200 or so BRs are PAL.



Michael

"I realize a lot of you like to take this as a cue to dump on me but
you are just looking like fools because the fact is Rory does NOT know
where they are and nor does James or anyone else on these groups."

Wait a minute here.... Did I ever say I know where the deleted scenes
are? I don't believe I did. For the record, I have no idea where
deleted scenes are or if they even exist! What I do believe -- very
strongly -- is the chances we'll ever see the legendary APES deleted
scenes are very, very low.

I believe this so strongly that I believe it is a FACT that you,
Whitty, will die and become a fossil and be dug up millions of years
from now by a future advanced race of apes, that will have also found
all the "lost" Fox footage in a salt mine in Kansas and will be
laughing their heads off watching while they drink beer from you empty
skull!!!!

-- Rory



-----Original Message-----
From: Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 6:56 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad



Ummm.,..I've SEEN the films John.



I live in Australia and got a BETA release of
BENEATH to watch until 1990 when I first got my hands on the VHS
release of the
entire series.



There's a context to all this you
might want to consider before you judge people.



I'm VERY happy with the releases and
it's not your place to attack or judge me. I'm actually jealous of
people who can stand to have a $100 sound system because I need more.
Or
people who get a $100 DVD player with "surround sound" and are
satisfied, but I wouldn't claim to be better than they are – just
different.
And I can allow people to be different.



All I have said is that Rory does NOT know
the deleted scenes are in the Salt Mines. I didn't call him names, just
stated a fact.



I realize a lot of you like to take this
as a cue to dump on me but you are just looking like fools because the
fact is
Rory does NOT know where they are and nor does James or anyone else on
these
groups.



You don't know me John so why start
attacking me?



Michael (just me!)

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> Dave,
>
> Have you checked out trying to get yourself an "All-Region" Blu-ray
> player, then simply buy your Blu-ray DVDs from the States?

I have, thanks. The cost (over here) for a multi-region blu ray is still too high for me. In actual fact many US Blu rays are region free anyway, although they're never advertised as such. Around half my collection are imports. FOX is the only major studio that region stamps EVERY single release.

Dave

right. only region codes prevent one to play a blu-ray from one place or another...by the way some funny bantering going on.it was me [john m] that started the salt mine thing and i got that from bart pierce and some other dude at film score monthly...john m..p.s. it does happen to be true,they found all new elements if memorie serves to my fair lady in one of those mineshafts...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Steven W Hill" <shill66@...> wrote:
>
> I hope you don't mind if I educate you for a second.
>
>
>
> Blu-ray discs are 1080p, there's no such thing as NTSC or PAL when talking
> Blu-ray. NTSC and PAL are specifically standard definition formats.
>
>
>
> -S
>
>
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> Michael & Sally Whitty
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 10:09 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: You say humor, I say humour!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Just the NTSC (Never The Same Colour) format John.
>
>
>
> I even liked the Lawgiver and the ApeMania characters on the discs - half
> arsed in many ways but sorta like a retarded kid (FOX) trying to do
> something nice...
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JohnM
> conquest-idor
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 October 2009 8:45 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: You say humor, I say humour!
>
>
>
>
>
> i heard most complaints about the british set,no book etc.other than those
> rubber things to hold the blu-rays whats not to like about the u.s. set,you
> can buy them individualy also..
>

agree 100%.i thought conquest was great but thats me.battle did blow though.the double feature angle is absolutly right.except for one viewing by me it was always double-billed but thats the way it was in those days.i saw conquest alot and i used to see alot of adults at the time then.i remember a old couple laughing at the mating scene but in the right way and they were muttering[positivly] during the heavy dialog scenes such as when madonald and caesar were in the underground tunnels discussing future events. my parents loved it and so on.when you looked past some of the cheapness[not the directors fault] its a good movie,i think. i know this goes against alot of the opinions here but i like it better than the original pota.the cinematoghraphy and music and roddy macdowall were the three elements that appealed to me..john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> "i stand corrected joe if i was misunderstood . i do have the black and
> whites of that chimp climbing the wall[2 pictures it looks like irvine
> college] that was the jist of my post of why the prolouge was cut. bart
> piece had said that at that time they were so cheap that keeping a film
> under 90 minutes was advantageous."
>
> My belief is that the reason Fox cut CONQUEST and BATTLE to less than
> 90 minutes is because -- and this may upset some here -- by the time in
> the series that these last two films were made the majority of the
> audience for APES movies was 14-year-old boys, also Fox may also have
> looked to double-bill these films with other Fox movies.
>
> Now, I was around 14 at this time, but Fox wasn't making them for me,
> because I really wanted better movies than CONQUEST and BATTLE.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Mon, Oct 26, 2009 4:40 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
>
>
> i stand corrected joe if i was misunderstood . i do have the black and
> whites of that chimp climbing the wall[2 pictures it looks like irvine
> college] that was the jist of my post of why the prolouge was cut. bart
> piece had said that at that time they were so cheap that keeping a film
> under 90 minutes was advantages.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "softparadeband"
> softparadeband@ wrote:
>
> >
>
> > In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final
> portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in
> response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members
> of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better"
> extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the
> general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to
> cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see
> the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape
> escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the
> scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I
> recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo
>
> >
>

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