On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Michael & Sally Whitty <mswhitty@...> wrote:

I sleep with the guy who did the artwork!

Hey – I said SLEEP! Different beds…you guys have dirty minds!

Michael

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From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steven W Hill
Sent: Tuesday, 27 October 2009 2:52 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Broaken Sea TV series

Have you guys ever heard "Values" the fan audio drama based on the TV series?

-S

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

"I hope you don't mind if I educate you for a second.

Blu-ray discs are 1080p, there's no such thing as NTSC or PAL when
talking Blu-ray. NTSC and PAL are specifically standard definition
formats.

-S"

Yeah, I thought it was something like that. I believe the region codes
are just for not allowing discs to be played on machines not coded for
the region that Blu-ray meant to be sold in, but if you get an
"All-Region" player, it'll play discs no matter what their region code.

-- Rory



-----Original Message-----
From: Steven W Hill <shill66@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 12:50 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: You say humor, I say humour!


I hope you don't mind if I educate you for a second.



Blu-ray discs are 1080p, there's no such thing as NTSC or PAL
when talking Blu-ray. NTSC and PAL are specifically standard definition
formats.



-S

Yeah, I've owned an all-region standard DVD player for years, which I
got in order to play the Region 2 APES film from Britian because they
were in anamorphic (remember the original APES DVDs here weren't
anamorphic). Anyway, I noticed right away that the conversion from PAL
to NTSC sped up the playback and you could hear the change in pitch on
the audio. I can't say I really found it worth it to get APES from
Britian. Thankfully the 35th Anniversary edition of PLANET came out
soon after, and now we've even moved beyond that -- except for the
audio.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: scott bosco <digitalcinema@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 7:31 am
Subject: Re: [pota] RE: The wisdom of FOX (UK)


Rory,
In the standard Def world PAL is superior, but in HD I too would
question if there's a difference any longer. Besides, one annoying
thing about PAL is the sped-up sound in relation to NTSC. I have some
SPACE: 1999 discs from the UK and it's extremely noticable.
Than again, if you're used to it one wouldn't notice.
I think that do that to keep the dingos away so they don't steal/eat
you babies. :)
- Scott B.

"i know this goes against a lot of the opinions here but i like it
better than the original pota."

CONQUEST better than PLANET?!!!!

I don't think so. CONQUEST is much better than BATTLE, but ESCAPE has
a better script than CONQUEST, but CONQUEST is better than BENEATH, but
PLANET is better than them all.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 1:24 am
Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad


agree 100%.i thought conquest was great but thats me.battle did blow
though.the double feature angle is absolutly right.except for one
viewing by me it was always double-billed but thats the way it was in
those days.i saw conquest alot and i used to see alot of adults at the
time then.i remember a old couple laughing at the mating scene but in
the right way and they were muttering[positivly] during the heavy
dialog scenes such as when madonald and caesar were in the underground
tunnels discussing future events. my parents loved it and so on.when
you looked past some of the cheapness[not the directors fault] its a
good movie,i think. i know this goes against alot of the opinions here
but i like it better than the original pota.the cinematoghraphy and
music and roddy macdowall were the three elements that appealed to
me..john m

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its funny how back in 73-74 conquest was considered by many fans as better or at least number two to planet.the marvel mag. poll comes to mind and an article from the same mag said likewise. we werent as jaded then. it was very political just like planet but even more in your face except for planets ending. to a lot of people planet was very talky and boring except for the hunt and taylors escape. im just repeating what friends, adults at the time and some critics[judith christ from ny mag comes to mind]. we all have different taste and well i guess its just my opinion. to me its this order: conquest, planet, escape, beneath, battle and i try to forget the tv series.

john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> > "i know this goes against a lot of the opinions here but i like it
> better than the original pota."
>
> CONQUEST better than PLANET?!!!!
>
> I don't think so. CONQUEST is much better than BATTLE, but ESCAPE has
> a better script than CONQUEST, but CONQUEST is better than BENEATH, but
> PLANET is better than them all.
>
> -- Rory
>

Neil's right, that should not have gone through. My apologies to the group that it did.

And once again I'm going to ask everyone to ratchet things down.  Everyone please go back and review the Group Guidelines : http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PostingGuidelines.htm

Remember, debate the issue not the person. So there is no need for cheap shots about a person's nationality. Also, there is no need for challenges of a person's veracity which is basically calling someone else a liar which is a flame. And flames are not allowed here.

Speculative discussion is allowed here (and it is very easy to spot when people use the word "if" in their posts). There is no need to challenge what another member says in such discussions and require them to prove it as fact. If you have a different opinion or even information that disputes what another member has said, simply state it in a respectful way. No one here need set themselves up as some overseer or guardian of all POTA truths. That is not what this group is about.

Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "munkeyman63au" <ntfoster@...> wrote:
>
> I'm shocked, were the moderators asleep or something when this got through?
>
> Neil T. Foster
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com,
>
> > Britian is the country that sent all your -- well, I won't go there -- to go live downunder and kill most of the black people
>

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One of my FAVE Audio Dramas hoonestly! Wish there were more! Hollar if you ever wanna join in the VA fun at BrokenSea- you too Chris <I think you already did-LOL long day at work here...>

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Steven Hill <shill66@...> wrote:

Glad you liked it! I was very happy to be a part of it, and loved the way it turned out, too.
-S

---

From: Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:57:13 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Broaken Sea TV series



VALUES is INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

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i not going to go on anymore than this last statement about conquest.their always seem to be three camps of apes fans as pertaining to their favorites. -one,planet and beneath and nothing else, -two fans like me that find good in all though that can be tough sometimes,and- three love of all with the t.v. series.i only defend conquest alot because it always seemed to be lumped in with battle [j.lee.mayby]. battle is most always considered very inferior,the blame is on fox and jacobs not the creative people or talent.it was a product of all things bad in hollywood at the time.[money,apathy,studio pressure]. when i was in college planet of course was universaly liked,not loved like it is now and was used by my cinematographer teacher for some examples of good staging but is was conquest he used to show how you can get a big looking movie out of nothing.that was the purpose of this exercise. he loved the documentary use of the camera its ever moving use during moving scenes[hand held] he used the scene with the chimp getting the hell kicked out of him on the steps of the office building and roddy yelling"lousy human b######.my teacher said; to him that one minute in conquest invoked more excitment than the hunt in original planet,which seems ludicrous at first.but being trained for this field and being shown even more examples,like when macdonald and caesar discuss the end of the world in the tunnel how the camera pulls tight when they agree and pulls out when the confront,the extreme closeup on macdonald when caesar says "you above everyone else should understand...." bruce surtees and j.lee really made lemonade out of lemons and that was the point. the other films never moved like this one, so at ny tech when a teacher[russian born] with all his background made a case for conquest, even over planet which he called very conventional but with a kicker of an ending he saw coming a million miles away[i argued with him on that for a day],i listened..take care i went on to much again...john m

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----- Original Message -----

From: johnmermigas

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2009 4:31 PM

Subject: [pota] to jeff k am i out of touch, your friend john m

 

it seems like most fans are into toys[i dont mean that derogartorialy] and obscure kiddie stuff, you know me probably the best. i went through years of fighting with the idiots at fox [b.p.] and others and my main concern was the best picture and sound and the return of conquest to its original phoenix preview which it hasnt.i almost found the original 4 track sound of planet in pennsylvania through adds and such from laserdisc rags and other sources. i met joe russo and went to his apartment in jersey with my friend and he showed me alot of the stuff that ended up on the dvd-blu-rays. [i was his pen pal back in 1974]. i procured almost every style poster and lobby card thats available and alot of overseas stuff.i feel like im the only one that thinks that the film and film elements are the most important. that is why we are always handed this baby stuff at every new release.the blu-rays are almost their but planet and some conquest still need help. now this so called new film with a great[in my view]idea is in limbo.we are treated like children from fox and its mostly our fault. these dvd covers, apemania[thankgod for them in many ways]and such are to the powers that be that we are over grown basement dwellers.unfortunat ly i dought we will ever get what i feel is still out their. stop the toys and threat us like the men and woman we are. fix planet of the apes! ranting again john m pota68@

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pleasure to here from you again.you always take my silly ranting and turn it into something palatable.if i may be bold its like im the beatles and your george martin.boy what a big head i have..take care your emotional friend john m..

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm not as attuned to the original film elements as you are. I was disappointed by the blu-ray picture of "Planet" but the sequels looked good. I was more disappointed by the extras, since I was around for a day when they were doing them and had great hope. But they pretty much regurgitated what was done for "Behind the POTA" (Eric Greene Festival, etc.). Bill Blake offered them a tour of the locations, there's lots of new stuff that could have been done but it was rushed at the last minute.
> But they could have just slapped them on blu-ray with nothing, like a lot of movies do. Or waited until people bought the blu-rays and then came out with a special edition. So I guess people can look at the blu-rays as either half empty or half full.
> I don't think the letters to Fox are a waste. It does show the passion people have for these movies and they may not get everything right but some good stuff does result (like "Behind", with all the interviews of people who are now long gone).
> I wish they would consult with knowledgable fans like you on these projects ( I offered them some suggestions; Joe Russo said he offered them his rare archives that they weren't interested in, probably because of time and money; they decided at the last minute to have a "40th anniversary set" instead of giving themselves 2 or 3 years to do a real killer set, like Fox did with the 1986 "The Fly" and others). And they handed it off to a new company under the pressure of time (a company that worked their asses off in the few weeks they had).
> The easy explanation that "Fox doesn't care" isn't completely true. Brian Penikas told me that Fox is very proud of POTA and that's why they did this set. They did a lot of work on this. If the effort went into the wrong things, that's for each fan to decide. But keeping up the good fight is nothing to feel bad about.
>
> Your friend, Jeff
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: softparadeband

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 11:59 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad

 

In my interview with J.Lee Thompson, the cuts during the final portion of CONQUEST were NOT to accomodate running time, but in response to a preview where the violence alarmed the parental members of the audience. For years I was fixated on seeing the "better" extended version, but believe now it does play slightly better in the general released form, although the poor looping and repeated shots to cover the Caesar speach at the conclusion ring false.It's great to see the extra footage, though. Still, there was footage shot of an ape escaping and climbing a wall which remains unseen.Brech references the scene when he says "that ape caught trying to escape last night" (if I recall the dialogue closely enough)-J Russo

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@ ...> wrote:
>
> it wasnt rory who stated most of this stuff but mostly myself. we knew where alot of the elements came from. like i posted we had discussions with the fox people and over the years we found out alot. most of the info was from the laserdisc days so were alittle foggy. conquest came most likely from a japanese version the apes films. i bet it is a seamless branching version meaning the first hour is the same of both versions and the directors cut is just a branching of the original riot and ending.[ the sequels] were trimmed to close to 90 minute lengths for more showings per day. some times it had nothing to do with violence as to why they were trimmed. the prologe was filmed and it was removed i bet for time considerations and then parts were used later in the movie,most notably when caesar is hunted down to be electrocuted. the guards helmuts and the actors playing them[one of them was george steele the stunt co-ordinator] were different. i have some color kodak stills of the prolouge so i know it was shot and the cinemafantastique article from 72 talks all about it.in fact parts of the interviews were done while it was being shot. anyway what a mess...john m
> --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Michael & Sally Whitty" <mswhitty@> wrote:
> >
> > OK understood but Rory shouldn't go claiming he knows where these things are
> > because he does not know.
> >
> >
> >
> > And again I ask - does anyone know where CONQUEST came from? Maybe it is
> > from the mines and maybe they grabbed a few things for the 50th anniversary
> > while they were there?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: JohnM conquest-idor

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:43 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: to jeff k am i out of touch, your friend john m

 

pleasure to here from you again.you always take my silly ranting and turn it into something palatable.if i may be bold its like im the beatles and your george martin.boy what a big head i have..take care your emotional friend john m..

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm not as attuned to the original film elements as you are. I was disappointed by the blu-ray picture of "Planet" but the sequels looked good. I was more disappointed by the extras, since I was around for a day when they were doing them and had great hope. But they pretty much regurgitated what was done for "Behind the POTA" (Eric Greene Festival, etc.). Bill Blake offered them a tour of the locations, there's lots of new stuff that could have been done but it was rushed at the last minute.
> But they could have just slapped them on blu-ray with nothing, like a lot of movies do. Or waited until people bought the blu-rays and then came out with a special edition. So I guess people can look at the blu-rays as either half empty or half full.
> I don't think the letters to Fox are a waste. It does show the passion people have for these movies and they may not get everything right but some good stuff does result (like "Behind", with all the interviews of people who are now long gone).
> I wish they would consult with knowledgable fans like you on these projects ( I offered them some suggestions; Joe Russo said he offered them his rare archives that they weren't interested in, probably because of time and money; they decided at the last minute to have a "40th anniversary set" instead of giving themselves 2 or 3 years to do a real killer set, like Fox did with the 1986 "The Fly" and others). And they handed it off to a new company under the pressure of time (a company that worked their asses off in the few weeks they had).
> The easy explanation that "Fox doesn't care" isn't completely true. Brian Penikas told me that Fox is very proud of POTA and that's why they did this set. They did a lot of work on this. If the effort went into the wrong things, that's for each fan to decide. But keeping up the good fight is nothing to feel bad about.
>
> Your friend, Jeff
>

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nted to have a landscape orientation box back showing the main cartoon char=
acters that were likely to be done by Mego (with the possibility of being a=
ble to add more if the customizer does others).

The background is a stitched together pan shot and the figures came from fu=
ll body shots in the cartoon with which I pasted on closeups of the faces (=
for better detail) and just did a heck of a lot of redrawing.=20

Here's how it looks (still some minor touchups to do on it)

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"I think part of the problem is the "new" version of "Conquest" is not
fine-tuned. It's too bad they did all this AFTER Thompson is dead. The
fine-tuning was done on the released version we all know. If Thompson
could've fine-tuned his original cut as some directors have on DVD,
that could've been something."

I don't know about Thompson. The poop is he was an alcoholic and ran
his career into the ground. By the seventies he was pretty much just a
hack. He certainly has one of the most uneven careers.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: planet sound on dvd blu-ray is bad

I think part of the problem is the "new"
version of "Conquest" is not fine-tuned. It's too bad they did all this
AFTER
Thompson is dead. The fine-tuning was done on the released version we
all know.
If Thompson could've fine-tuned his original cut as some directors have
on DVD,
that could've been something.

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aka Never Twice The Same Color

 

In a message dated 10/26/2009 10:30:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mswhitty@... writes:

Just the NTSC (Never The Same Colour) format John.

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Bill Burge,

You found it!!! You are the man!

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: billburge48@...
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 5:02 pm
Subject: [pota] kim hunter 1970 article [1 Attachment]








[Attachment(s) from William Burge included below]





dear group, i found that kim hunter article on escape from the new york
times dated dec 13,1970 from william burge

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The problem I have with CONQUEST now -- not back then -- is that it
tries to squeeze too much into too short a time period, becomes
incredibly implausible and aspects of it are also a little silly. It's
also kind of offensive to blacks.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Oct 27, 2009 6:22 pm
Subject: [pota] conquest again from j.m.








i not going to go on anymore than this last statement about
conquest.their always seem to be three camps of apes fans as pertaining
to their favorites. -one,planet and beneath and nothing else, -two fans
like me that find good in all though that can be tough sometimes,and-
three love of all with the t.v. series.i only defend conquest alot
because it always seemed to be lumped in with battle [j.lee.mayby].
battle is most always considered very inferior,the blame is on fox and
jacobs not the creat.v. people or talent.it was a product of all things
bad in hollywood at the time.[money,apathy,studio pressure]. when i
was in college planet of course was universaly liked,not loved like it
is now and was used by my cinematographer teacher for some examples of
good staging but is was conquest he used to show how you can get a big
looking movie out of nothing.that was the purpose of this exercise. he
loved the documentary use of the camera its ever moving use during
moving scenes[hand held] he used the scene with the chimp getting the
hell kicked out of him on the steps of the office building and roddy
yelling"lousy human b######.my teacher said; to him that one minute in
conquest invoked more excitment than the hunt in original planet,which
seems ludicrous at first.but being trained for this field and being
shown even more examples,like when macdonald and caesar discuss the end
of the world in the tunnel how the camera pulls tight when they agree
and pulls out when the confront,the extreme closeup on macdonald when
caesar says "you above everyone else should understand...." bruce
surtees and j.lee really made lemonade out of lemons and that was the
point. the other films never moved like this one, so at ny tech when a
teacher[russian born] with all his background made a case for conquest,
even over planet which he called very conventional but with a kicker of
an ending he saw coming a million miles away[i argued with him on that
for a day],i listened..take care i wen
t on to much again...john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> The problem I have with CONQUEST now -- not back then -- is that it
> tries to squeeze too much into too short a time period, becomes
> incredibly implausible and aspects of it are also a little silly. It's
> also kind of offensive to blacks.
>
> -- Rory
>

thats very true.i guess suspension of disbelief is in order. we are watching a series of talking apes remember so it was easy for me to take the implausible aspects that all these films had. when i relized that the apes didnt take over the world just kicked some a## and that man had to blow himself out of exsistence in order for apes to take over conquest made more sense. the issue with the black population is that now they are in a position of power and are doing and acting as bad as the white man. human nature sucks.but i get your meaning. j.lee was an alcholic by this time but he was responsible for alot of the smart aspects of conquest along with dehn ofcourse. at one time he was considered the new hitchcock,its a tough and dirty buisiness that hollywood. i think we are more jaded and want much more realism in films so older films like the apes can look silly when you look back.but give credit to planet it took science fiction out of the dumpster of hollywood more than any other good sci-fi film did previously ,at least narrativly. john m

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Looks fantastic, though Jeff's last name is Allen, not Carter. For some reasons, a lot of Web sites have that name incorrectly listed, but it's spoken onscreen as Allen in the cartoon.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mike R <mego73@...> wrote:
>
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> I've been requested to do a custom box for Mego custom Return figures. I wa=
> nted to have a landscape orientation box back showing the main cartoon char=
> acters that were likely to be done by Mego (with the possibility of being a=
> ble to add more if the customizer does others).
>
> The background is a stitched together pan shot and the figures came from fu=
> ll body shots in the cartoon with which I pasted on closeups of the faces (=
> for better detail) and just did a heck of a lot of redrawing.=20
>
> Here's how it looks (still some minor touchups to do on it)
>
> http://reboxyourmego.com/returnsamp3.jpg
> =20
> _____

My feeling is that Fox had good intentions but poor follow though on the Blu-Ray set.  This was most likely due to it being rushed, as Jeff pointed out, and because the group they hired to put it all together were not fans. That ANSA film they did was so bad and off the mark it is almost offensive.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Hi John,
>
> I'm not as attuned to the original film elements as you are. I was disappointed by the blu-ray picture of "Planet" but the sequels looked good. I was more disappointed by the extras, since I was around for a day when they were doing them and had great hope. But they pretty much regurgitated what was done for "Behind the POTA" (Eric Greene Festival, etc.). Bill Blake offered them a tour of the locations, there's lots of new stuff that could have been done but it was rushed at the last minute.
> But they could have just slapped them on blu-ray with nothing, like a lot of movies do. Or waited until people bought the blu-rays and then came out with a special edition. So I guess people can look at the blu-rays as either half empty or half full.
> I don't think the letters to Fox are a waste. It does show the passion people have for these movies and they may not get everything right but some good stuff does result (like "Behind", with all the interviews of people who are now long gone).
> I wish they would consult with knowledgable fans like you on these projects ( I offered them some suggestions; Joe Russo said he offered them his rare archives that they weren't interested in, probably because of time and money; they decided at the last minute to have a "40th anniversary set" instead of giving themselves 2 or 3 years to do a real killer set, like Fox did with the 1986 "The Fly" and others). And they handed it off to a new company under the pressure of time (a company that worked their asses off in the few weeks they had).
> The easy explanation that "Fox doesn't care" isn't completely true. Brian Penikas told me that Fox is very proud of POTA and that's why they did this set. They did a lot of work on this. If the effort went into the wrong things, that's for each fan to decide. But keeping up the good fight is nothing to feel bad about.
>
> Your friend, Jeff
>

Thanks for finding that William! Interesting article.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, i found that kim hunter article on escape from the new york times dated dec 13,1970  from william burge
>

That is really fantastic Mike. It looks just like something that they would have done back in the '70s.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mike R <mego73@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've been requested to do a custom box for Mego custom Return figures. I wa=
> nted to have a landscape orientation box back showing the main cartoon char=
> acters that were likely to be done by Mego (with the possibility of being a=
> ble to add more if the customizer does others).
>
> The background is a stitched together pan shot and the figures came from fu=
> ll body shots in the cartoon with which I pasted on closeups of the faces (=
> for better detail) and just did a heck of a lot of redrawing.=20
>
> Here's how it looks (still some minor touchups to do on it)
>
>  http://reboxyourmego.com/returnsamp3.jpg

But then again all the POTA films are implausible.

This has always been one of the debates between fans, after Planet which is the best of the sequels: Escape or Conquest?

Escape has a better script and is better directed. Plus has some of the best character moments in the whole series.

Conquest on the other had is the most stand alone film of the sequels and has an intensity to it that matches the original.  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> The problem I have with CONQUEST now -- not back then -- is that it
> tries to squeeze too much into too short a time period, becomes
> incredibly implausible and aspects of it are also a little silly. It's
> also kind of offensive to blacks.
>
> -- Rory
>

THIS is FANTASTIC- looks like a real Animation cell from the Cartoon!

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:03 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

That is really fantastic Mike. It looks just like something that they would have done back in the '70s.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mike R <mego73@...> wrote:
>
>

> I've been requested to do a custom box for Mego custom Return figures. I wa=
> nted to have a landscape orientation box back showing the main cartoon char=
> acters that were likely to be done by Mego (with the possibility of being a=
> ble to add more if the customizer does others).
>
> The background is a stitched together pan shot and the figures came from fu=
> ll body shots in the cartoon with which I pasted on closeups of the faces (=
> for better detail) and just did a heck of a lot of redrawing.=20
>
> Here's how it looks (still some minor touchups to do on it)
>
> http://reboxyourmego.com/returnsamp3.jpg

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:17 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

But then again all the POTA films are implausible.

This has always been one of the debates between fans, after Planet which is the best of the sequels: Escape or Conquest?

Escape has a better script and is better directed. Plus has some of the best character moments in the whole series.

Conquest on the other had is the most stand alone film of the sequels and has an intensity to it that matches the original.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> The problem I have with CONQUEST now -- not back then -- is that it
> tries to squeeze too much into too short a time period, becomes
> incredibly implausible and aspects of it are also a little silly. It's
> also kind of offensive to blacks.
>
> -- Rory
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

Yes- I have plans for TV stuff too- just wanna get the films outta the way first and then see where I can fit them in timeline-wise (will check my groovy TIMELINES POTA by Rich Handley-LOVE that BOOK!>, and stay tuned- with all the flash backs and extra stuff in my B-POTA adaptation you never know who might show up.

;-)

Also want to do some of the comic book back stories they had in Marvel to the POTA adaptations.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 6:01 PM, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:

Bill, are there any plans to make a TV series audio drama? If so, I would love to be a part of that! thanks, Chris Sutton

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

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PLANET is implausible, but at least it doesn't try to explain it's
implausibility (as to how the whole situation was created), it leaves
it up to your imagination, which is one of the things that was so great
about APES before the sequels happened, and is the big thing that now
makes the sequels somewhat silly. The whole plague on dogs and cats
thing in ESCAPE, and then CONQUEST squeezing the time of that plague
and then APES as slaves into the time scale of less than a decade!

Anyway...

I really get bugged by people who see the first two films as two halfs
of one film. BENEATH overall is such trite melodrama and such a come
down from the original that I, more often than not, hardly enjoy
watching it anymore. What can I say that I haven't said a thousand
times? Even Kim Hunter hated it.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Oct 28, 2009 10:31 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: conquest again from j.m.








Interesting...

Hmmm.. Funny thing is- I have been waiting for some fan to mix together
Beneath and POTA into one 3 hour film as they seem to seemlessly fit in
my mind anyway-LOL

Battle to me has always seems like a better pilot for a TV show than a
full film- still liked it- just didin't have as much punch as the rest
to my taste.


On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:17 AM, j.m.sa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
wrote:









But then again all the POTA films are implausible.

This has always been one of the debates between fans, after Planet
which is the best of the sequels: Escape or Conquest?

Escape has a better script and is better directed. Plus has some of the
best character moments in the whole series.

Conquest on the other had is the most stand alone film of the sequels
and has an intensity to it that matches the original.

Having contibuted to the blu-rays and speaking in-depth with the producers, I will say that there was a concern to do something special.They were quite knowlegeable and used our book PLANET OFTHE APES REVISITED as their main reference.And let's face it, alot of improvements were achieved.But there wan't alot of TIME in between when I was first contacted and the day the box literally came out. I'm sure down the road another stab will be taken at yet another special edition. The BOND, STAR WARS, STAR TREK series,WIZARD OF OZ, classic DISNEY ,like APES, are always popular sellers, so the studios always come up with SOMETHING new to get people to re-re-re buy the films!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> My feeling is that Fox had good intentions but poor follow though on the
> Blu-Ray set. This was most likely due to it being rushed, as Jeff
> pointed out, and because the group they hired to put it all together
> were not fans. That ANSA film they did was so bad and off the mark it is
> almost offensive.
>
>

The things you find on YouTube!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AHTaomLOVQ&feature=related

On Oct. 28, 1886, the Statue of Liberty, a gift from the people of
France, was dedicated in New York Harbor by President Grover Cleveland.

perfect....john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> If the Blu-ray set was the first attempt at a box set sine the Playhouse Video days I would be much more forgiving - however, it wasn't so I have to say it was a sad and pathetic. The who thing smelled of laziness and done by people that simply didn't and couldn't handle what was given to them within the time frame allowed. It very obvious that FOX didn't want to extend to the company hired access to the vaults beyond a limited search for material on CONQUEST. Vault access is expensive, searching, cataloging, and transferring materials found. Adding more materials (bonus) also adds to the expense of simply manufacturing any kind DVD, standard or otherwise. There are "packages" for digital writing given to companies. Each package comes with a certain amount of encoding information, and a given number of screens withing a menu of the DVD. If even one more is needed it raises the disc into a high cost "package" If a title is only given X
> amount of dollars within the budget bonus materials and digital writing to present them can and will raise the cost of product there by making the company (FOX) to simply say no. Remember, in planing the APE films FOX also released each on its own aside from the box set. No doubt the bean counters at FOX in some way didn't feel the added cost for each film beyond PLANET to carry the weight. To you and me it may seems stupid not to put more bonus materials as a selling point, but to a company that is interest in only a quick dollar turn over the initial cost was not an option.
> Most decisions like this are done by extremely ignorant people devoid of the history of a product (film) on both home video and within film as well. These are people who have gotten the position strictly by sheepskin and contacts. In the end they shouldn't really be in the position they are in, and certainly not making decision that should be speaking for thousands of potential consumers. I have sat at board tables with execs. who didn't even know what an aspect ratio was or the term 5.1.
> Clearly, the need to give out POTA BOX SETS on the Rachel Ray show gives a peek to not only these people and their thinking process, but how sad this may have been their only outlet! Given no choice but Rachel Ray I suppose it would have been simply a harsh reality within the framing of the time constraints, but then again, why would a major company the size of FOX allow themselves to be pigeon holed into a corner. It comes down to poor management, poor decisions, poor evaluations, poor judgment. These are people who have been hired to perform a job - with jobs at a premium today it's disgusting that there are such f@%k-ups in these positions.
> - Scott B.
>
>
>
>
>

I'll just have to agree to disagree with you Rory- mind you for me the first film will always be the best, but I liked Beneath and in the context of the five films I think it would make a neat statement to mix the two together- but all's groovy and all have their likes and dislikes- cool topic here.

;-)

~Bill

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> PLANET is implausible, but at least it doesn't try to explain it's
> implausibility (as to how the whole situation was created), it leaves
> it up to your imagination, which is one of the things that was so great
> about APES before the sequels happened, and is the big thing that now
> makes the sequels somewhat silly. The whole plague on dogs and cats
> thing in ESCAPE, and then CONQUEST squeezing the time of that plague
> and then APES as slaves into the time scale of less than a decade!
>
> Anyway...
>
> I really get bugged by people who see the first two films as two halfs
> of one film. BENEATH overall is such trite melodrama and such a come
> down from the original that I, more often than not, hardly enjoy
> watching it anymore. What can I say that I haven't said a thousand
> times? Even Kim Hunter hated it.
>
> -- Rory
>

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No problem. Their last names are given in the first episode, and are mentioned a few times after that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Mike R <mego73@...> wrote:
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> he info.
>
>

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----- Original Message -----

From: softparadeband

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 7:02 AM

Subject: [pota] Re: to jeff k am i out of touch, your friend john m

 

Having contibuted to the blu-rays and speaking in-depth with the producers, I will say that there was a concern to do something special.They were quite knowlegeable and used our book PLANET OFTHE APES REVISITED as their main reference.And let's face it, alot of improvements were achieved.But there wan't alot of TIME in between when I was first contacted and the day the box literally came out. I'm sure down the road another stab will be taken at yet another special edition. The BOND, STAR WARS, STAR TREK series,WIZARD OF OZ, classic DISNEY ,like APES, are always popular sellers, so the studios always come up with SOMETHING new to get people to re-re-re buy the films!

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@ ...> wrote:
>
>
> My feeling is that Fox had good intentions but poor follow though on the
> Blu-Ray set. This was most likely due to it being rushed, as Jeff
> pointed out, and because the group they hired to put it all together
> were not fans. That ANSA film they did was so bad and off the mark it is
> almost offensive.
>
>

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ouch.... john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, they used "Planet of the Apes Revisited". No wonder it sucked. : )
>
>

"I'll just have to agree to disagree with you Rory- mind you for me the
first film will always be the best, but I liked Beneath and in the
context of the five films I think it would make a neat statement to mix
the two together- but all's groovy and all have their likes and
dislikes- cool topic here.

;-)

~Bill"

OK, but certainly you wouldn't say that in PLANET the lightening in the
desert the astronauts see is an illusion created by the mutants in
BENEATH, and that the astronauts in PLANET had dog tags but kept them
between their butt cheeks or something, BUT Taylor managed to keep his
up his butt in order to pull it out of his ass in time for the
beginning of BENEATH, and Ape City is somewhere near what was Newark,
so the gorilla army marched through the Forbidden Zone, across a dried
up Hudson River, crossed what was Yonkers to come down through Queens,
in order to be in what was Brooklyn so they could gaze at the ruins of
New York City and the Brooklyn Bridge, but what... Brent and Nova
escaped Ape City and just outside a greenbelt there was what was the
Queensboro Plaza, which is actually an aboveground station, and the
Radio City Music Hall marquee isn't anywhere near that big, and....

I'm getting a headache.

-- Rory

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It has been confirmed....the ORIGINAL 1968 movie will be showing at the Pinewood Drive in Theater in London, UK on November 14, 2009. For all of you UK fans who have never seen this on the big screen, now is your chance!!! Costumed apes will also be on hand to add to the experience. If you are in the area and can attend in a Planet of the Apes costume and also want to go ape, you and your family can be there at the event courtesy of Pinewood...just let me know in advance so that I add you to the roster of costumed apes. An exclusive tour of Pinewood studios will also be given to apes who attend in costume. Sounds fun, doesn't it?


There is also a contest...Prize is a ticket to see the 1968 classic original Planet of the Apes in all its glory on the giant screen at Pinewoods Drive in movie theatre.

The winning ticket is for a 4 people sharing one car. Stay tuned for the question and where to submit your answer!!

Jess.

PS...the 2001 remake wasn't selling (surprize!!!) so at the last moment, Pinewood Studios changed it to the ORIGINAL MOVIE. Now go out there and see this movie if you are in the area. Ape fans in the UK--UNITE!!

PSS..Pinewood is located in heart of the Buckinghamshire countryside, just 8 miles from Heathrow and 20 miles from Soho.

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I would love to go but can't...my chains of marriage will just yank me back to reality. *sigh*

Jess.

Plus...wayyyyyyyy out of my rootbeer budget...again, another *sigh*

I didn't know it before but one of my great "I-love-to-hate" SF films
is coming out on Blu-ray next month. Here's an early review:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews47/logans_run_blu-ray.htm

But, you lovers here of this Sci-Fi film icon (which includes James)
shouldn't get too excited... wait until you read the somewhat negative
comments, which includes a POTA sequels reference. Of course, Jerry
Goldsmith's score comes off best.

-- Rory (who listens to his score CD for this movie often)

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----- Original Message -----

From: stenosaurus@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:27 AM

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: APE MARATHON ONSCREEN Oct. 24 in PITTSBURGH

 

If anyone does find it I'd like to read it and I'm sure others here would, too.

 

Bruce

Rory,
Do you (or anyone out there) have a copy of this NYT article? I've
never seen it.

Bruce"

(We're talking about an article on Kim Hunter, folks.) No, I don't
have the article, but if memory serves it was in a Sunday Arts &
Entertainment section of The New York Times, and it was some Sunday in
either later November 1970, or more probably December 1970, but I
wouldn't be surprised if it was in early January 1971.

Anyway, I don't have access to the New York Times on microfilm, but
maybe the news guy here can find it.

Go news guy, go! Uncover that artifact from a bygone era.

-- Rory

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I read the review when it was first posted - the guys sounds like a real jerk.  He has nothing to compare it to, he doesn't know the film, and I doubt he's ever seen the past Laser edition to know what the hell he's writing.   The film has previously been available in two different aspect ratios.  It was mix as a 4-track stereo, but is now 5.1   A past laser edition had more bonus materials than is Blu-ray.  I hope they didn't screw up the sound, and I hope the origianl 4-track is included as a 2.0 encoded Dolby Surround mix.   From the screengrabs it looks like they got the color timing right at least. In terms of the HD transfer bring out that there are wires being used in on scene that stupid - I saw the film in the theater and the wires was clearly seen then - you know what... it never took a moment of enjoyment from it.   I wish newer reviewers would be more educated about film prior to STAR WARS and digital effects. I for one am looking very forward to this release. - Scott B. --- On Thu, 10/29/09, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] (OT) Logan's Run goes Blu To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, October 29, 2009, 7:21 PM   I didn't know it before but one of my great "I-love-to-hate" SF films is coming out on Blu-ray next month. Here's an early review: http://www.dvdbeave r.com/film2/ DVDReviews47/ logans_run_ blu-ray.htm But, you lovers here of this Sci-Fi film icon (which includes James) shouldn't get too excited... wait until you read the somewhat negative comments, which includes a POTA sequels reference. Of course, Jerry Goldsmith's score comes off best. -- Rory (who listens to his score CD for this movie often)

Hi Fran,

If there had been more noticed of this, we may have been able to help
spread the news around the net. I could have at least let
Cinemaretro.com know of it. Maybe there's just not that much interest
in the Pittsburgh area, but I don't know Pittsburgh. I looked at the
theatre on Google Earth, by the way, at least the outside. The theatre
doesn't have a website, does it? If they plan more revival showings
that would be a good idea. Other than that, you're back in the days of
posting fliers.

How did the prints look? Were they in full Panavision?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Ranier <franierrph@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: APE MARATHON ONSCREEN Oct. 24 in PITTSBURGH


Hi all,

Attended half of the ape marathon in Pittsburgh
Sat. (Planet & Beneath). Very small crowd (around 8 persons including
myself
and my son). This is a newly renovated/reopened movie theater and I
suggested to them to show all of the ape films. To my surprise, they
listened. They opened in August this year. Unfortunately, I feel
partly responsible for the poor turnout. Any ideas on how I can help
this
theater do better next time? (Ape dress-up contest, celebrity
appearance,
etc). Any ideas would be appreciated.

Fran

Jessica,

How did you hear that they've changed the 2001 POTA for POTA '68? Is
it confirmed? They haven't changed anything on the website:
http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/gen/z_sys_storyNews.aspx?intNewsId=357

I ask, because if true, I think this is big news.

-- Rory

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2009 11:19 PM

Subject: [pota] Re: APE MARATHON ONSCREEN Oct. 24 in PITTSBURGH

 

Hi Fran,

If there had been more noticed of this, we may have been able to help
spread the news around the net. I could have at least let
Cinemaretro. com know of it. Maybe there's just not that much interest
in the Pittsburgh area, but I don't know Pittsburgh. I looked at the
theatre on Google Earth, by the way, at least the outside. The theatre
doesn't have a website, does it? If they plan more revival showings
that would be a good idea. Other than that, you're back in the days of
posting fliers.

How did the prints look? Were they in full Panavision?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Fran Ranier <franierrph@verizon. net>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 8:18 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: APE MARATHON ONSCREEN Oct. 24 in PITTSBURGH

Hi all,
 
Attended half of the ape marathon in Pittsburgh
Sat. (Planet & Beneath). Very small crowd (around 8 persons including
myself
and my son).  This is a newly renovated/reopened movie theater and I
suggested to them to show all of the ape films.  To my surprise, they
listened.  They opened in August this year.  Unfortunately, I feel
partly responsible for the poor turnout.  Any ideas on how I can help
this
theater do better next time? (Ape dress-up contest, celebrity
appearance,
etc).  Any ideas would be appreciated.
 
Fran

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Scott,

I don't know if the guy is a jerk -- he didn't say he was Australian,
did he? (IT'S A JOKE!!!!!) -- but he sounds like he's under thirty, and
remember, never trust anyone UNDER thirty! And laserdisc has been dead
for a little over a decade now. This guy would have had to have had a
healthy income for a twelve-year-old to have been into LDs. (That was
"alot" of haves and hads for one sentence!)

But this looks like a Blu-ray not to get too excited about. As to
4-track stereo from the past... I think the general rule among the
video companies is to port it over to 5.1 -- note I didn't write
"remix" it to 5.1, because often the original 4-track "mono" rear
surround track remains mono even though a DTS or DD 5.1 mix is supposed
to have stereo rear surround -- the original 4.0, which is often why in
these 5.1's for older films has little in the way of .1

On the Blu-ray of THE ROBE, for instance, I prefer to listen to the 4.0
rather than the DTS-HD, and I can only hope I'll have the same option
when Fox gets around to JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH. By the
way, I prefer that if the film still has its 4-track masters, it be
transferred to DD 4.0 rather than 2.0 encoded Dolby Surround, because
the separation is more accurate, and even though it really is a no-no,
I don't mind a little .1 enhancement, which means I really wish they
were 4.1

As for DVD Beaver in general.... I go there mostly for the screengrabs.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: scott bosco <digitalcinema@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Oct 29, 2009 9:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] (OT) Logan's Run goes Blu








I read the review when it was first posted - the guys sounds like a
real jerk. He has nothing to compare it to, he doesn't know the film,
and I doubt he's ever seen the past Laser edition to know what the hell
he's writing.

The film has previously been available in two different aspect ratios.
It was mix as a 4-track stereo, but is now 5.1

A past laser edition had more bonus materials than is Blu-ray. I hope
they didn't screw up the sound, and I hope the original 4-track is
included as a 2.0 encoded Dolby Surround mix.

From the screengrabs it looks like they got the color timing right at
least.
In terms of the HD transfer bring out that there are wires being used
in on scene that stupid - I saw the film in the theater and the wires
was clearly seen then - you know what... it never took a moment of
enjoyment from it.

I wish newer reviewers would be more educated about film prior to STAR
WARS and digital effects.
I for one am looking very forward to this release.
- Scott B.

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>>It was on the Rarities DVDs that I made several years ago (after I

put
out the first one, I received a better-quality version and put it on
the second DVD).

Alex Ruiz has placed the contents of both Rarities DVDs on his
website. The episode of "That's Hollywood" can be found on this page:

http://www.potacoll ective.com/.htmltv_press1..html/font> <<

 

 

"Chris Sutton" <apecityusa@...> wrote:

 

>>I agree that the addedd footage of Galen would be great in between

the 5 TV movies. I just saw your post and I am a HUGE fan of the TV series and have never heard of "That's Hollywood" episode dedicated to the POTA series. Do you know what it is about or where i can view it? <<<.html

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>>Thanks for keeping us informed Chris.

One thing I was wondering was if NATO films were done for any of the
sequels beyond Beneath. <<
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Originally, Sunday November 1st at midnight, it was:

12:00 AM ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (Lbx) (1971)
1:00 AM EVOLUTION OF THE APES Special (2008)
1:30 AM PLANET OF THE APES (Lbx) (1968)
3:30 AM BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES Extended Cut (Lbx)
(1973)
5:50 AM PLANET OF THE APES (Lbx) (1968)
6:00 AM BACK TO THE PLANET OF THE APES (1974)

Aside from BACK TO starting 10 minutes after PLANET, this actually makes
sense. ESCAPE- normally with a 2 hour slot- is slotted for 1 hour because
at 2AM it would become 1 AM again due to Daylight Savings Time.

Now, it's:

12:00 AM ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES (Lbx) (1971)
1:00 AM EVOLUTION OF THE APES Special (2008)
1:30 AM PLANET OF THE APES (Lbx) (1968)
3:30 AM BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES (Lbx) (1970)
5:30 AM EVOLUTION OF THE APES Special (2008)
6:00 AM BACK TO THE PLANET OF THE APES (1974)

From what I'm seeing on TVGuide.com, this checks out.

The one downside to this being on a three (instead of four) day weekend
is that both CONQUEST and BATTLE are only getting shown twice. Yet,
ESCAPE is (again) on three times IN A ROW on Saturday evening.


Chris L.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:26 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Jessica,

How did you hear that they've changed the 2001 POTA for POTA '68? Is
it confirmed? They haven't changed anything on the website:
http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/gen/z_sys_storyNews.aspx?intNewsId=357

I ask, because if true, I think this is big news.

-- Rory

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>>It was on the Rarities DVDs that I made several years ago (after I

put
out the first one, I received a better-quality version and put it on
the second DVD).

Alex Ruiz has placed the contents of both Rarities DVDs on his
website. The episode of "That's Hollywood" can be found on this page:

http://www.potacoll ective.com/.htmltv_press1..html/font> <<

 

 

"Chris Sutton" <apecityusa@...> wrote:

 

>>I agree that the addedd footage of Galen would be great in between

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That's great news Jessica. What it just a mistake in the original listing or did they actually change films?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> It has been confirmed....the *ORIGINAL 1968* movie will be showing at the
> Pinewood Drive in Theater in London, UK on November 14, 2009. For all of
> you UK fans who have never seen this on the big screen, now is your
> chance!!! Costumed apes will also be on hand to add to the experience. If
> you are in the area and can attend in a Planet of the Apes costume and also
> want to go ape, you and your family can be there at the event courtesy of
> Pinewood...just let me know in advance so that I add you to the roster of
> costumed apes. An exclusive tour of Pinewood studios will also be given to
> apes who attend in costume. Sounds fun, doesn't it?
>
>
> There is also a contest...Prize is a ticket to see the *1968 classic
> original Planet of the Apes* in all its glory on the giant screen at
> Pinewoods Drive in movie theatre.
>
> The winning ticket is for a 4 people sharing one car. Stay tuned for the
> question and where to submit your answer!!
>
> Jess.
>
> PS...the 2001 remake wasn't selling (surprize!!!) so at the last moment,
> Pinewood Studios changed it to the *ORIGINAL MOVIE*. Now go out there and
> see this movie if you are in the area. Ape fans in the UK--UNITE!!
>
> PSS..Pinewood is located in heart of the Buckinghamshire countryside, just 8
> miles from Heathrow and 20 miles from Soho. **
>

Fran I wouldn't feel responsible if I were you. I think the theater itself is at fault. When I looked at their website, there was no info on where the theater was located or how to get there. And that is something very basic. My bet would be is that they did not do a good job at promoting the event.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Fran Ranier" <franierrph@...> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Attended half of the ape marathon in Pittsburgh Sat. (Planet & Beneath). Very small crowd (around 8 persons including myself and my son). This is a newly renovated/reopened movie theater and I suggested to them to show all of the ape films. To my surprise, they listened. They opened in August this year. Unfortunately, I feel partly responsible for the poor turnout. Any ideas on how I can help this theater do better next time? (Ape dress-up contest, celebrity appearance, etc). Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
> Fran

How dare you slander me like this!!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> But, you lovers here of this Sci-Fi film icon (which includes James)

Jessica, I hope you can get one of your friends that is attending to take a lot of pics of the event.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> October 16, James posted about the event to us. I then reposted that
> information to the Forum of the Apes. Being a UK-based forum, this was a
> big event.
>
> October 19, the owner contacted Pinewood Studios with a request to have
> costumed members attend the event. After several phone calls (that's how I
> found out that it was the 2001 movie), Pinewood Studios gave the green light
> for costumed apes.
>
> October 28: Pinewood people then struggled to sell tickets to this showing
> and they asked him if the Forum of the Apes could help. The Forum of the
> Apes owner suggested the reason they were struggling to sell tickets was due
> to the fact they are showing the 2001 movie so he convinced them to show the
> 1968 original.
>
> October 29: The Forum of the Apes owner confirmed that the 1968 original
> would take center stage. So now it has to go viral--to make it known
> throughout the whole of ape kingdom...to make this one tiny event a
> success.
>
> This is a VERY BIG event that I unfortunately, being on this side of the
> pond, cannot attend. And the other thing that bites is that there was
> really only a month's notice...
>
> At 11:00 AM on Saturday, November 14, the costumed members (and their
> families) will have the privilege of an exclusive tour of Pinewood Studios.
> They will get to see where they filmed some of the Bond films, the lucky
> ducks...After the tour, they will have a meet and greet with the
> public...and then they can settle down and watch the glory of the movie on
> the big screen.
>
> *sigh* again. I really hope that this event is successful.
>
> Jess.
>
>
>
>

Or maybe give them a copy of the Rareties DVD that Hunter mentioned.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> This actually brings up a slight conundrum. I'd very much like to point
> him to a website where he can view all 10 of the 'Aged Galen' footage
> online, but I also don't want to risky anyone getting a "Cease and
> Desist" from Fox regarding their website. Somehow I strongly doubt that
> would happen, but I've also seen them freak out over a home made calendar
> back in 2000 (Hi Dan!).
>
> So, I'm open to suggestions. One thought I have is to have one of you
> who's hosting an Apes site with the footage to upload all 10 clips in one
> video to You Tube. That way, the original website stays anonymous.
>
>
> Thoughts??
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>

Hey you never know. And who knows what's lost down in that salt mine!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42 <lawford42@...> wrote:
>
> I was planning on asking him that actually. You'd figure though that they
> would've turned up by this point.
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "jamesa1102" JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
> >>Thanks for keeping us informed Chris.
>
> One thing I was wondering was if NATO films were done for any of the
> sequels beyond Beneath. <<
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Just anonymously send a DVD of the stuff to Fox with a letter telling
them that if they don't start showing it on their movie channel, you're
going to try and make $$$$$ selling it on eBay! Also, be sure to make
a little drawing of an ape giving them the finger on the bottom of the
page.

Just remember not to put your return address on the envelope.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42 <lawford42@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 12:44 am
Subject: [pota] Re: TV series


This actually brings up a slight conundrum. I'd very much like to point
him
to a website where he can view all 10 of the 'Aged Galen' footage
online, but I
also don't want to risky anyone getting a "Cease and Desist" from Fox
regarding
their website. Somehow I strongly doubt that would happen, but I've
also
seen them freak out over a home made calendar back in 2000 (Hi Dan!).

So, I'm open to suggestions. One thought I have is to have one of you
who's
hosting an Apes site with the footage to upload all 10 clips in one
video to You
Tube. That way, the original website stays anonymous.


Thoughts??


Chris L.

Thanks Jessica for the detailed info! Is it alright if I pass it on?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 4:04 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA at PINEWOOD DRIVE-IN








October 16, James posted about the event to us. I then reposted that
information to the Forum of the Apes. Being a UK-based forum, this
was a big event.

October 19, the owner contacted Pinewood Studios with a request to have
costumed members attend the event. After several phone calls (that's
how I found out that it was the 2001 movie), Pinewood Studios gave the
green light for costumed apes.


October 28: Pinewood people then struggled to sell tickets to this
showing and they asked him if the Forum of the Apes could help.
The Forum of the Apes owner suggested the reason they were struggling
to sell tickets was due to the fact they are showing the 2001 movie so
he convinced them to show the 1968 original.


October 29: The Forum of the Apes owner confirmed that the 1968
original would take center stage. So now it has to go viral--to make
it known throughout the whole of ape kingdom...to make this one tiny
event a success.


This is a VERY BIG event that I unfortunately, being on this side of
the pond, cannot attend. And the other thing that bites is that there
was really only a month's notice...

At 11:00 AM on Saturday, November 14, the costumed members (and their
families) will have the privilege of an exclusive tour of Pinewood
Studios. They will get to see where they filmed some of the Bond
films, the lucky ducks...After the tour, they will have a meet and
greet with the public...and then they can settle down and watch the
glory of the movie on the big screen.


*sigh* again. I really hope that this event is successful.

Jess.

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 8:26 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:







Jessica,

How did you hear that they've changed the 2001 POTA for POTA '68? Is
it confirmed? They haven't changed anything on the website:
http://www.pinewoodgroup.com/gen/z_sys_storyNews.aspx?intNewsId=357


I ask, because if true, I think this is big news.

-- Rory

I don't believe there's NATO films to the last three sequels. By that
time they kind of sold themselves. If there were NATO films, we'd have
known.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 10:20 am
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA rarities for FMC


Hey you never know. And who knows what's lost down in that salt mine!

Well- we didn't do Values- but the astronauts do find a time machine yes. And again- I have to say- this is a BRILLIANT piece of Audio Drama!!!!

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 7:08 AM, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:

Is values the one where they go to the forbidden zone and see an old commercial about time travel?

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Jessica,

Could you ask the owner of the "Forum of the Apes" to contact Lee
Pfeiffer at cinemaretro@... immediately and tell him first hand
of the story of how POTA '68 has trumped POTA 2001.

I told him of your email and he says he'll try to post something about
it this weekend. Pfeiffer (who co-wrote the APES book included with
the Blu-ray) co-publishes the magazine Cinemaretro out of Britian, is
also a huge Bond fantatic and very familiar with Pinewood. Not only
could the people from the forum end up on the website, they could be
featured in a future issue of the mag -- I just hope their makeups are
at your level!

Now, let's just hope the print they get of POTA '68 is worthy of the
big screen presentation.

-- Rory

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It's the four-foot model seen sinking in the film, most probably. The
large prop ship went to the scrap heap ages ago.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 2:47 pm
Subject: [pota] Icarus found???????????????????? [1 Attachment]








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Could someone in LA please rush over to the Hollywood Museum and check
this out????

..."A "Planet of the Apes" display, featuring costumes from both old and
new Apes movies, as well as the crew's crashed space shuttle...."

http://www.thehollywoodmuseum.com/about/

click on "ground floor"

1660 N. Highland Ave. near the SE corner of Hollywood Blvd. in the old
Max Factor Building!

Damn, I wish I lived in California. Someone please take photos!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> Could someone in LA please rush over to the Hollywood Museum and check this out????
>
> ..."A "Planet of the Apes" display, featuring costumes from both old and
> new Apes movies, as well as the crew’s crashed space shuttle...."
>
> http://www.thehollywoodmuseum.com/about/
>
> click on "ground floor"
>
> 1660 N. Highland Ave. near the SE corner of Hollywood Blvd. in the old Max Factor Building!
>

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Are there any photos of the ship? I couldn't find any on their webpage.

 

Bruce

 

In a message dated 10/30/2009 3:09:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

 

Could someone in LA please rush over to the Hollywood Museum and check this out????

..."A "Planet of the Apes" display, featuring costumes from both old and new Apes movies, as well as the crew's crashed space shuttle...."

http://www.theholly woodmuseum. com/about/

click on "ground floor"

1660 N. Highland Ave. near the SE corner of Hollywood Blvd. in the old Max Factor Building!

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this was my point about ape fans. they tend not to be the star wars/trek type but they seem to have lives and dont always showup to these things.only a new movie or something that is heavily publised will most of us get of our rumps. their must be alot cause fox keeps pumping out software. also no gaming software[exept that lame one that didnt sell]shows fans are more mature for lack of a better word.i hope fox realizes this and if the new movie gets off the ground it will be something important like the original and not catter to kids and swampdwellers.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> and hopefully there will be losts of pics! Please let us know if you get any!!
> Tim
>
>

any of the keen film guys here ever notice that the conquest the plays on fox has the isolated score cue used for the music that accompanies caesar when after the electrocution he clanks the guard on the head.its not whats on the bluray or dvd or vhs/beta but the isolated cue that plays. also that hollywood museum in hollywood turned into a dive many years ago.i was almost mugged their back in the late70s and again on my honeymoon in 82.the better museum was the one out near i think disneyland[someone from cal. would know]. they both had ape displays.also i know we call the spaceship icuras but that was just madeup from a fan, right....john m

i was looking at your stuff and the only difference i see to mine in general is that you were smart enough to buy the old[mego] toys i bet.my room now is a bathroom size room off my bedroom that contains every size shape poster and lobby card color and bw photos ,pressbooks etc.etc. it was appraised at about 60 grand but when i recently retired and was curious to sell to some of the same people that priced my collection they only wanted to give me about 10-15 grand. the stuff sells look at the prices on some online outlets that i mentioned on earlier posts. point being what will we due with our stuff near our final days .give to our kids[most of dont really care for the stuff],will it back to fox[yeah right]. i would like to sell to people who would love and cherrish them like i did but i hope thats atleast 40 years from now.whos willing to spend anymore for this type of passion.this generation does not share the same affinity toward stuff like this.its the digital age and our stuff takes up to much room.watching the marathon it just got me alittle sad about who will keep our legacy going....john m

i might have made a mistake i was talking about the hollywood ___wax museum.if not the same then the jist of my previous post should be
taken differntly. john m

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> any of the keen film guys here ever notice that the conquest the plays on fox has the isolated score cue used for the music that accompanies caesar when after the electrocution he clanks the guard on the head.its not whats on the bluray or dvd or vhs/beta but the isolated cue that plays. also that hollywood museum in hollywood turned into a dive many years ago.i was almost mugged their back in the late70s and again on my honeymoon in 82.the better museum was the one out near i think disneyland[someone from cal. would know]. they both had ape displays.also i know we call the spaceship icuras but that was just madeup from a fan, right....john m
>

With the economy right now, I'd hang on to everything and hope that
five to ten years from now it's better, but with the original POTA fans
becoming old farts, I have to wonder if younger people will have the
same passion? With the prices for the film's posters, etc. continue to
rise such as the Universal Horror stuff has?

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Oct 30, 2009 8:36 pm
Subject: [pota] collecting [tims room]








i was looking at your stuff and the only difference i see to mine in
general is that you were smart enough to buy the old[mego] toys i
bet.my room now is a bathroom size room off my bedroom that contains
every size shape poster and lobby card color and bw photos ,pressbooks
etc.etc. it was appraised at about 60 grand but when i recently retired
and was curious to sell to some of the same people that priced my
collection they only wanted to give me about 10-15 grand. the stuff
sells look at the prices on some online outlets that i mentioned on
earlier posts. point being what will we due with our stuff near our
final days .give to our kids[most of dont really care for the
stuff],will it back to fox[yeah right]. i would like to sell to people
who would love and cherrish them like i did but i hope thats atleast 40
years from now.whos willing to spend anymore for this type of
passion.this generation does not share the same affinity toward stuff
like this.its the digital age and our stuff takes up to much
room.watching the marathon it just got me alittle sad about who will
keep our legacy going....john m

Hello,

New to the group and am enjoying sifting through all the messages.

I have a question about a scene from the original movie. I have nearly the entire collection of the original POTA cards from way back when. I was lucky enough to fill in a few missing ones at a Chiller Theater convention a few years back. My question is about Card #12 (link to photo: https://pota.goatley.com/movie_cards/original/pota-movie-card-12.jpg). As near as I can tell, this scene never made it into the final movie. Judging by the people sitting in the backround - it doesn't look like the director had yelled "action" yet. Does anyone recall seeing this scene on video - perhaps as a deleted scene or promo? This question has been nagging at me for years, and I figured that you folks would be the ones to ask.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Rich
dcspres@...