Again it was going to be in cinemascope like Fantastic voyage. In fact in Marvel magazine Number 1 or an early issue, It talks about how at the last minute fox decided against this "inferior" process, And filmed it in Panavision. John M.

Marvel magazine as an info source?!!!   Again... I don't believe that story.  CinemaScope was only a trade name anyway.  By that time -- the mid sixties -- most "CinemaScope" films were shot with lenses made by Panavision anyway.  Fox simply decided at last to retire the term "CinemaScope."  PLANET would have been a Panavision movie not matter what.

 

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I was 17-18 when Star wars came out and in college and I just could not swing into it like Apes. Yeah their were alot of older people who loved Star Wars and kiddies too(not much different than Apes) but I personaly never cared for them. Just my opinion and thats it. Yeah some film had to start with blazing special effects and start that ball rolling but it meant nothing for me. I was in film scool and writing is what I loved. When I left the theater with everyone else all they cared about was the effects and I wanted story which Star wars did not give. Empire was better because Lucas was less involved. I liked what they used to call Science Fact, movies like the Apes ,Soylent Green were that catagory. NO, Apes were not going down the street or people were not going to be crackers but the premise of these stories about how Man was going to screw everything up with polution, overcrowding, Nuclear War and allegorical stories like Twilight Zone are my cup of tea. Sure Star Wars changed Sci-Fi for all the good reasons all of you mentioned but it also changed it for all the bad reasons, just look at all the 80s dreak that followed, but that is a hard argument for me to prove because many people think the 80s were great. To me the 80s were the begining of the end of music, films,sex and all arts,well sex might not be an art but I think you know what I mean. You cannot get anybody to sit down and listen to dialog anymore it has to be a roller coaster ride or it sucks. VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR AND lUCAS KILLED INTELLIGENT CINEMA. Just my take on things, so please stop the name calling. John M,

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:25 PM

Subject: [pota] Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

I was 17-18 when Star wars came out and in college and I just could not swing into it like Apes. Yeah their were alot of older people who loved Star Wars and kiddies too(not much different than Apes) but I personaly never cared for them. Just my opinion and thats it. Yeah some film had to start with blazing special effects and start that ball rolling but it meant nothing for me. I was in film scool and writing is what I loved. When I left the theater with everyone else all they cared about was the effects and I wanted story which Star wars did not give. Empire was better because Lucas was less involved. I liked what they used to call Science Fact, movies like the Apes ,Soylent Green were that catagory. NO, Apes were not going down the street or people were not going to be crackers but the premise of these stories about how Man was going to screw everything up with polution, overcrowding, Nuclear War and allegorical stories like Twilight Zone are my cup of tea. Sure Star Wars changed Sci-Fi for all the good reasons all of you mentioned but it also changed it for all the bad reasons, just look at all the 80s dreak that followed, but that is a hard argument for me to prove because many people think the 80s were great. To me the 80s were the begining of the end of music, films,sex and all arts,well sex might not be an art but I think you know what I mean. You cannot get anybody to sit down and listen to dialog anymore it has to be a roller coaster ride or it sucks. VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR AND lUCAS KILLED INTELLIGENT CINEMA. Just my take on things, so please stop the name calling. John M,

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I like Star Trek. That was great in those days. Go to the movies see some Apes , go home see some Aliens on Trek. It was a diffrent time, a smarter time, I guess I just miss it all. Better cars, Better music, Better movies, Better Television, above all Better and smarter(mayby) people. Ofcourse an argument can be made for the reverse. You kept your house doors open, your keys in your new Hemi powered Dodge Charger. Its probably because when your young you look at life through rose colored glasses. I asked my father about all this and he absolutly agreed with me and his golden time would have been the late 1930s. He loves the Apes movies and saw all the sybolism and adventure that we do. Hestons character of Taylor was exactly how he and most of his "greatest generation" felt, about Ameruica and where we were headed. I miss those days, not because im getting older but because its true. All today has to offer is high technology.
When Jaws(which I love) opened wide to over 1000 theaters in 75 the movie business started to change and money was king(it always was) but their was a dark mood in the air ,everything got serious and to me people changed for the worse and it stayed that way and has gotten worse with each decade. Im old enough now to see it and I have a good life. Im retired, married for 27 years three children(all professonals) so I personaly have nothing to complain about. I wish my kids and my beutifull grandaughter could live in that great time that I did and that makes me sad.. Anyway I still think Star wars stinks, with love John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Who's calling who a name?
> I agree. Even back in the day "Star Wars" couldn't hold a candle to "Apes" but I could still enjoy it. Just as I could enjoy "Avatar". Just as I could enjoy, er, um, the first "Transformers". I guess I just have a wider acceptance of all kinds of movies. I just love movies. But I can differentiate. The first "Transformers" was fun for what it is, the second one was awful.
> But "Apes" is special and that's why I want more than the usual guy for the next one. So it doesn't turn into "Transformers".
> Speaking of sci-fi, I just got a good deal on used blu-rays of the first two seasons of the original "Star Trek". I haven't seen them in 20 years so this should be good.
>
>
>
>

Speaking of sci-fi, I just got a good deal on used blu-rays of the first two seasons of the original "Star Trek". I haven't seen them in 20 years so this should be good.

Wait a minute.... hold on....

 

Veetus has a Blu-ray player?!!!!!

 

When did that happen?  James doesn't have a Blu-ray player -- BUT VEETUS DOES?!!!!!

 

It's a world gone mad!

Lucas didn't create the FX industry - his films simply allowed him to have his own FX industry.  In fact, his films allowed him to create a large industry of his own. The FX industry was around and making its own advancements in films like CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, THE BLACK HOLE, and ALTERED STATES, in the day.  He did not create the sci-fi franchise either; that was created with the APE films.  It's just that he had the position of following what had come before, and adapted it, grew it.  In fact, Lucas has made that his career..  Nothing he does in really original.  He is like a copy machine simply enlarging what has come before - from themes, stories, to merchandising.  Although a different genre, remember the BOND film had their own successful wave of merchandising.  Lucas in more a business man than a creative genius.  - Scott B.  --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote: From: Jeff K. <veetus@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Caesar" and Oliver Stone To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 8:54 AM     Let's be real. Lucas did change sci-fi. Whatever you think of "Star Wars" (I loved the first two), it created the FX industry and sci-fi franchises as we know them today (with a little help from POTA and "2001: A Space Odyssey"). And with "Jaws" it created the blockbuster factory we enjoy every summer. If it wasn't for "Star Wars" we wouldn't even have POTA2001 so bow your heads and show some respect!! From: LordTZer0@AOL. com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:32 AM To: pota@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Caesar" and Oliver Stone     I disagree. Empire showed promise. If he hadn't soldout to the Toy companies he might have changed the face of Sci Fi.   In a message dated 1/29/2010 8:32:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, johnmermigas@ yahoo.com writes: To me if it was not for American Grafitti George Lucas is incredibly lame. Thats my opinion. John M

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Thankyou , you seem to have a good heart and a good brain. Take care and good luck. You are smart because you did want you wanted, I was a typical colledge kid and did not follow through on my dream, but i am very knowledgable of film and arts and the written word though you would never tell here. Good luck in the future, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Mfx_specialprojects@..." <mfx_specialprojects@...> wrote:
>
> John,
> Hi I'm RD and I hear you. I was raised on those same valuable life lessons learned from the skilled master story tellers of good Sci-Fi. I have turned my love of it all in to my job, as a production designer. Currently I'm working on a sci-fi fantasy film. I will promises you and all other would be fans this - My team and I are all like you, fans. So we hear you and we are doing our best to give the audience the old school cool experience back, in this 3d,computer CGI ,badly written script, universe of films. And we all are drawing on the images of so many great films, to help this one be like the cool films of old, "Before the dark times before the Empire!" I find a sense of pota, in the subtext, so I will add that touch with some trek, and some star wars, feeding it all my crew, and the putting it along side all the other great inspirations from all sci-fi. In the end, the result it will never reveal its self to be all of these things, but rather
> as design that the fans respond to. It is always present in our mind as we sculpt, paint, labor,and others wise endure. The fact is since childhood I have committed most( if not all) that I have ever seen or read on the topic to my memory. This has professionally aided me in every possible way over 20 years now,and my dad thought I was "just wasting my time watching the tv!!!" So fear not we are on it!
>
>
> P.S. To all my pota friends thanks for you response to my May Day I knew I could count on you apes!!!!!!!!
> Thank You!
> I'd kiss you all "but you're so dammed ugly!"
> RD
>
>
>

I could not put the Lucas debacle any better Scott. I love Altered States by the way. Again like a few people here you got it right. You realize its not all roses and candy and you speak your mind. Lucas to me was and is a hack who made two very good movies(which is an acheivment) but the movie establishment puts him on a pedistal and it makes me sick. To me he is an overgrown 5th grader surrouinded by talented people. Take care Scott...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Lucas didn't create the FX industry - his films simply allowed him to have his own FX industry. In fact, his films allowed him to create a large industry of his own. The FX industry was around and making its own advancements in films like CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, THE BLACK HOLE, and ALTERED STATES, in the day.Â
> He did not create the sci-fi franchise either; that was created with the APE films.Â
> It's just that he had the position of following what had come before, and adapted it, grew it. In fact, Lucas has made that his career. Nothing he does in really original. He is like a copy machine simply enlarging what has come before - from themes, stories, to merchandising.  Although a different genre, remember the BOND film had their own successful wave of merchandising.Â
> Lucas in more a business man than a creative genius.Â
> - Scott B.Â
>

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I do have a Blu-Ray player.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> 
> When did that happen? James doesn't have a Blu-ray player -- BUT VEETUS DOES?!!!!!
>
> It's a world gone mad!
>

Lucas didn't create the FX industry - his films simply allowed him to have his own FX industry.  In fact, his films allowed him to create a large industry of his own. The FX industry was around and making its own advancements in films like CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, THE BLACK HOLE, and ALTERED STATES, in the day.

The SFX in STAR WARS were actually several steps, in terms of quality, backwards from what was done in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY nearly a decade before.  It's all been digitally "improved" since, but in it's original release, the amount of visible matte lines and boxes in STAR WARS were terrible, and one of the reasons Lucas really never wants it seen again.

 

If Frank Schaffner were still alive, he'd a little to be embarrassed about with APES, but Lucas is embarrassed by some of STAR WARS.

How long are we going to talk about that kiddie movie?

 

-- Rory

I will promises you and all other would be fans this - My team and I are all like you, fans. So we hear you and we are doing our best to give the audience the old school cool experience back, in this 3d,computer CGI ,badly written script, universe of films.

The most important SFX in any SF movie is a damn fine script, and it also seems the most difficult to achieve.

 

Recent SF movies with good SFX but mediocre scripts: SUNSHINE, PANDORUM, and 2012.

 

Give me a good script and you could go back to '30s FLASH GORDON SFX -- and it wouldn't matter!  If the script is good, the movie is good, if the script stinks, no amount of razzle-dazzle SFX is going to save it.  Look at LOGAN'S RUN.  That had some state of the art stuff back in '76, the the script was a turd.

 

Some of the craftsmen that make movies simply have their heads up their asses.

 

-- Rory

I do have a Blu-Ray player.

Well now, when did this happen?  The last thing I remember from you on this subject was that you were completely satisfied with your up-converting HDMI output standard player.  Have you also gotten a 16X9 HD flat panel plasma or LCD display?  If so.... WELCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY, JAMES!

-- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Lucas didn't create the FX industry - his films simply allowed him to have his own FX industry. In fact, his films allowed him to create a large industry of his own. The FX industry was around and making its own advancements in films like CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, THE BLACK HOLE, and ALTERED STATES, in the day.
>
>
> The SFX in STAR WARS were actually several steps, in terms of quality, backwards from what was done in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY nearly a decade before. It's all been digitally "improved" since, but in it's original release, the amount of visible matte lines and boxes in STAR WARS were terrible, and one of the reasons Lucas really never wants it seen again.
>
> If Frank Schaffner were still alive, he'd a little to be embarrassed about with APES, but Lucas is embarrassed by some of STAR WARS.
>
> How long are we going to talk about that kiddie movie?
>
> -- Rory
>
> I guees thats why he had the original icarus(spaceship from Planet ofthe Apes , put in his backyard in 1984?
>
> =
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Lucas didn't create the FX industry - his films simply allowed him to have his own FX industry. In fact, his films allowed him to create a large industry of his own. The FX industry was around and making its own advancements in films like CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, THE BLACK HOLE, and ALTERED STATES, in the day.
>
>
> The SFX in STAR WARS were actually several steps, in terms of quality, backwards from what was done in 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY nearly a decade before. It's all been digitally "improved" since, but in it's original release, the amount of visible matte lines and boxes in STAR WARS were terrible, and one of the reasons Lucas really never wants it seen again.
>
> If Frank Schaffner were still alive, he'd a little to be embarrassed about with APES, but Lucas is embarrassed by some of STAR WARS.
>
> How long are we going to talk about that kiddie movie?
>
> -- Rory
>
> Also if Charlton Heston was not embarrassed by POTA(in the later years he simply could not stop talking about it) then I doubt Schaffner would. Men seem to mellow as they get older. In the late 70s and 80s not much talk of Apes by him(Heston) then in the 90s he never stopped talking about POTA, beacause he realized that his film stired up the industry and created new possiblities for sci-fi and sequels, and still made him money. John M.
>
> =
>

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@...> wrote:

Jessica, Any news on the Burke & Virdon 1/6 sculpts? I am really looking forward to getting one of each. Thanks, CHRIS SUTTON

Jessica is getting some pretty tall head sculpt orders in lately.  I know she's also working on Landon and Dodge sculpts, and I'd like her to do a couple really accurate gorilla sculpts for my two Sideshow gorillas (and I'll get those screen captures to you, Jessica, eventually, but I expect you take your time on these things), and I've thought of a really cool future project that maybe Jessica and others here might be interested in: head sculpts of the chimp, gorilla, and orang POTA background masks.  No one else has ever attempted this and it would probably be an easy thing for Jessica.

 

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Burke & Virdon head sculpts

 

Started working on Burke again last night.  He still looks pretty bad.  I can't tell until I put hair on him.

 

Jess.

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Chris Sutton <apecityusa@yahoo. com> wrote:

 

Jessica, Any news on the Burke & Virdon 1/6 sculpts? I am really looking forward to getting one of each. Thanks, CHRIS SUTTON

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Thanks John, it's always nice to know I'm not the only one who feels this way. - Scott B --- On Sun, 1/31/10, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote: From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: "Caesar" and Oliver Stone To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:28 AM   I could not put the Lucas debacle any better Scott. I love Altered States by the way. Again like a few people here you got it right. You realize its not all roses and candy and you speak your mind. Lucas to me was and is a hack who made two very good movies(which is an acheivment) but the movie establishment puts him on a pedistal and it makes me sick. To me he is an overgrown 5th grader surrouinded by talented people. Take care Scott...John M. --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@ ...> wrote: > > Lucas didn't create the FX industry - his films simply allowed him to have his own FX industry.  In fact, his films allowed him to create a large industry of his own. The FX industry was around and making its own advancements in films like CLOSE ENCOUNTERS, THE BLACK HOLE, and ALTERED STATES, in the day.  > He did not create the sci-fi franchise either; that was created with the APE films.  > It's just that he had the position of following what had come before, and adapted it, grew it.  In fact, Lucas has made that his career.  Nothing he does in really original.  He is like a copy machine simply enlarging what has come before - from themes, stories, to merchandising.  Although a different genre, remember the BOND film had their own successful wave of merchandising.  > Lucas in more a business man than a creative genius.  > - Scott B.  >

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OK, Al, you're going rogue  too much now....  James is going to spank your butt.

 

Maybe you should make a video as soon as possible of PLANET on your projector and post it on You Tube.

 

WEEEELLLLLL?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 6:39 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: OT Bluray Players

 

Blu-ray players have gotten a lot more cheaper lately. The Panasonic model you bought BD60K, now down to $150 at dell.com

http://accessories. us.dell.com/ sna/products/ Blu_Ray_DVD_ DVR/productdetai l.aspx?c= us&l=en&cs=19&sku=A2588062

 

Bluray movies have also gone down to a standard $20 a pop. Good thing I never bought too many bluray movies back when they were sky high.

But as far as being in the 21st Century, I'm afraid that won't happen until you purchase a "Projector." :o)

 

My latest (and last) Projector Purchase: LG HS201 "LED Projector." 30,000 hours + with no lightbulb replacement!

That means if you use it on an average 10 hours a day, it will last you for over 6 YEARS!

And only $499.00 at amazon.com (better than my last projector of $300)

 

And here's a few video samples of the LED Projector on youtube.

Outstanding quality.

 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=rJ7tdNDea0g

 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=tJOpn_KUYH8

 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=dRqpCctN86M

 

Al

 

 

 

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From: "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Sun, January 31, 2010 12:13:03 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

I do have a Blu-Ray player.

Well now, when did this happen?  The last thing I remember from you on this subject was that you were completely satisfied with your up-converting HDMI output standard player.  Have you also gotten a 16X9 HD flat panel plasma or LCD display?  If so.... WELCOME TO THE 21st CENTURY, JAMES!

-- Rory

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Do you want good looking ones?

Or accurate crappy looking ones?

 

 

In a message dated 1/31/2010 3:06:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I've thought of a really cool future project that maybe Jessica and others here might be interested in: head sculpts of the chimp, gorilla, and orang POTA background masks. 

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Accurate crappy looking ones -- for the record.  They were what they were.

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 2:16 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon head sculpts

 

 

Do you want good looking ones?

Or accurate crappy looking ones?

 

 

In a message dated 1/31/2010 3:06:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@aol. com writes:

I've thought of a really cool future project that maybe Jessica and others here might be interested in: head sculpts of the chimp, gorilla, and orang POTA background masks. 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

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>
>
> I recently rented a DVD and spotted the image in the attached screen capture. Should look familiar to most POTA fans as Point Dume, Malibu, CA, where the end of PLANET and the beginning of ESCAPE were shot.
>
> Anyone like to guess what this shot is from? Hint: It's the premiere episode of a '60s series, and the original black and white image has been colorized for the DVD.
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Gilligans Island.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
> I recently rented a DVD and spotted the image in the attached screen capture. Should look familiar to most POTA fans as Point Dume, Malibu, CA, where the end of PLANET and the beginning of ESCAPE were shot.
>
> Anyone like to guess what this shot is from? Hint: It's the premiere episode of a '60s series, and the original black and white image has been colorized for the DVD.
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On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:16 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

http://img33.imageshack.us/i/ziraikebana016.jpg/

http://img64.imageshack.us/i/ziraikebana028.jpg/

Enjoy!!

Jess.

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IDOJ

You got it.  On the commentary track Hagman and Eden said it was very cold that day too. 

-----Original Message-----
From: drhasslein <drhasslein@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 4:49 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Point Dume

 

IDOJ

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I recently rented a DVD and spotted the image in the attached screen capture. Should look familiar to most POTA fans as Point Dume, Malibu, CA, where the end of PLANET and the beginning of ESCAPE were shot.
>
> Anyone like to guess what this shot is from? Hint: It's the premiere episode of a '60s series, and the original black and white image has been colorized for the DVD.
>

One more photo...

 

http://img716. imageshack. us/i/zira073. jpg/

 

Jess.

Jessica,

 

Really, Zira would much rather be dissecting an interesting specimen of fauna than picking flora!

 

By the way, notice that Sideshow got her glyph upside down?

=

What is...wrong with you PEOPLE? How ...can you tarnish these...sci- fi icons? "Star Trek"..."Star Wars"...have made sci-fi movies...what they are today.

What is wrong with you, Veetus?  You are grossly oversimplifying things.  I've seen many SF films over the last few years that are light years in other directions from "Star Trek" (Which I very much like) and "Star Wars" (Which I think is over-hyped fantasy -- NOT SF!).  I got news for you, Veetus.... There was SF before ST and SW and there would still be SF if there'd been no ST or SW.

 

Get real, Veetus.  Sometimes I think that if you were an SF movie, you'd be "Robot Monster" -- AND I'D BELIEVE IT!

 

Take a stress pill and think things out.

No, you're both wrong, it's not "Gilligan," but you're both right that it was a comedy series.

 

Here's another hint: It's from 1965.

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:47 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Point Dume

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I recently rented a DVD and spotted the image in the attached screen capture. Should look familiar to most POTA fans as Point Dume, Malibu, CA, where the end of PLANET and the beginning of ESCAPE were shot.
>
> Anyone like to guess what this shot is from? Hint: It's the premiere episode of a '60s series, and the original black and white image has been colorized for the DVD.
>
Gilligans Island.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:48 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

One more photo...

http://img716.imageshack.us/i/zira073.jpg/

Jess.

Jessica,

Really, Zira would much rather be dissecting an interesting specimen of fauna than picking flora!

By the way, notice that Sideshow got her glyph upside down?

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I guess Veetus never saw the old Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials.  ...but I would bet Lucas (ah...can anyone say "rip-off!") - Scott B. --- On Mon, 2/1/10, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 1, 2010, 7:43 PM   What is...wrong with you PEOPLE? How ...can you tarnish these...sci- fi icons? "Star Trek"..."Star Wars"...have made sci-fi movies...what they are today. What is wrong with you, Veetus?  You are grossly oversimplifying things.  I've seen many SF films over the last few years that are light years in other directions from "Star Trek" (Which I very much like) and "Star Wars" (Which I think is over-hyped fantasy -- NOT SF!).  I got news for you, Veetus.... There was SF before ST and SW and there would still be SF if there'd been no ST or SW.   Get real, Veetus.  Sometimes I think that if you were an SF movie, you'd be "Robot Monster" -- AND I'D BELIEVE IT!   Take a stress pill and think things out.

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Like any movie could ever compare with Johnny Sako and his flying Robot.LOL

 

In a message dated 2/1/2010 8:02:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

 

What is...wrong with you PEOPLE? How ...can you tarnish these...sci- fi icons? "Star Trek"..."Star Wars"...have made sci-fi movies...what they are today.

What is wrong with you, Veetus?  You are grossly oversimplifying things.  I've seen many SF films over the last few years that are light years in other directions from "Star Trek" (Which I very much like) and "Star Wars" (Which I think is over-hyped fantasy -- NOT SF!).  I got news for you, Veetus.... There was SF before ST and SW and there would still be SF if there'd been no ST or SW.

 

Get real, Veetus.  Sometimes I think that if you were an SF movie, you'd be "Robot Monster" -- AND I'D BELIEVE IT!

 

Take a stress pill and think things out.

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I have this huge book on the movie studios and the movies they produced in the 60s and 70s. Their were many films that can say "if it were'nt for this movie that movie would'nt of be made" and so on. But Fox was in bad times during the Ape period(like most studios) even though they had hits, but this book, I think its called the History of 2oth Century Fox, Ill look for it, basis its future status of a major studio of today with the sucess of the Planet of the Apes films and if it were not for the Apes science fiction series and the money and intelligence it brought in to Fox "Star wars" would not have been made at least not at Fox and science fiction as we know it would not have been now regarded as an important vehicle of film making. It goes on to say that the entire series cost about 14 million and brought in a worldwide total of over 90 million in 1974 dollars( thats 1 billion in 2010 dollars). The movie studios kept profits and losses close to the vest and not to make most figures public beacause of the taxman. I love alot of films, and science fiction would of eventualy have become a smartly written commodity, but in our timeline its the Apes and only the Apes that can be awarded that foundation that all other science fiction films were built on. Period! John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, John1155@... wrote:
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> Like any movie could ever compare with Johnny Sako and his flying Robot.LOL
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So, in the final analysis, "Star Trek" helped science fiction "live long and prosper", if you will.  Thanks to "Star Wars", the Force is, heh heh, with science fiction.

 Kirk, out.

Damn you, Veetus!!!!  Here's your final analysis -- WHO CARES?!!!!!!

 

". . . from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

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I guess Veetus never saw the old Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials.  ...but I would bet Lucas (ah...can anyone say "rip-off!")

- Scott B.

"Flash Gordon"?  Hell, I doubt Veetus has ever seen "Things To Come."

Good looking or accurate crappy ones? What? I think her sculpts are pretty good. Did I miss a joke somewhere?   Chris Sutton

Yes, you did.  T was referring to the background masks in the POTA movies -- they're crappy.

But I think for posterity sake it would be interesting to have sculpts of them.

Excellent job!

 

Bruce

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From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 11:12 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Ikebana

 

One more photo...

 

http://img716. imageshack. us/i/zira073. jpg/

 

Jess.

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Enjoy!!

 

Jess.

Or, Icarus, as this tutorial would have it.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBXLj2DblUo&feature=related>

Dave

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When you lose the kid inside it's pretty much all over.

 

In a message dated 2/2/2010 1:18:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pota1968@... writes:

 

Johnny Sako! Loved that movie when I was a kid! I have it on VHS.

I guess that means I'm still a kid. :o)

 

Al

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To: pota@yahoogroups. com
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Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

Like any movie could ever compare with Johnny Sako and his flying Robot.LOL

 

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 8:18 AM, smugster2000 <smugster2000@...> wrote:

Or, Icarus, as this tutorial would have it.

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I though it was called Johnny Soko

-----Original Message-----
From: John1155@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

When you lose the kid inside it's pretty much all over.

 

In a message dated 2/2/2010 1:18:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, pota1968@yahoo. com writes:

 

Johnny Sako! Loved that movie when I was a kid! I have it on VHS.

I guess that means I'm still a kid. :o)

 

Al

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From: "John1155@aol. com" <John1155@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, February 1, 2010 11:11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

Like any movie could ever compare with Johnny Sako and his flying Robot.LOL

 

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Star Trek led to POTA,

POTA led to Star Wars.

Even Fantastic Voyage

help convince the Suits

the numbers were there to

make it profitable.  Getting

huge certainly didn't hurt.

Still, it doesn't guarantee

the quality of the sequels.

 

 

In a message dated 2/2/2010 12:16:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

Many sci-fi fans care about such debates...often makes it fun.

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No need to get nasty with a "WHO CARES?!!!!!! " volley. The truth is we all care and apparently so do you...or you would not have been contributing to the debate.

Oh, I love to kid the Veetus.  I'm Khan to his Kirk.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

Many sci-fi fans care about such debates...often makes it fun. With such debate...opinions are expressed, new opinions arise, change, flourish, etc. It is a part of life to give your opinion on something and discuss it. If you truly do not care then why are you constantly responding? You can just ignore the posts if you truly do not care. "Veetus" has the right to his opinion. If people get tired of this discusion then they will simply stop responding. I believe that good points have been made by both sides and it has been an excellent discussion. I was regrettabley involved in a heated political debate on here not too long ago...got way of hand. But this isn't politics, it's sci-fi...a general topic we all adore, and debating what is better or more influential allows those of us who are sci-fi geeks to express our opinions and allow us to feel part of an extended community.  

 

No need to get nasty with a "WHO CARES?!!!!!! " volley. The truth is we all care and apparently so do you...or you would not have been contributing to the debate.

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From: "Haristas@aol. com" <Haristas@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tue, February 2, 2010 11:09:04 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

 

So, in the final analysis, "Star Trek" helped science fiction "live long and prosper", if you will.  Thanks to "Star Wars", the Force is, heh heh, with science fiction.

 Kirk, out.

Damn you, Veetus!!!!  Here's your final analysis -- WHO CARES?!!!!!!

 

". . . from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

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Yeah.  Burton added a third layer

of pullover masks between the

principle actors and front line

makeups and the back row

crappy mass produced

masks.  Didn't help.

 

In a message dated 2/2/2010 10:42:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yes, you did.  T was referring to the background masks in the POTA movies -- they're crappy.

But I think for posterity sake it would be interesting to have sculpts of them.

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Not quite. They both debuted at around the same time, but were in
development before hitting the air/theater so neither could have really
impacted the other. Besides, Star Trek was NOT an immediate hit. It only
really became a franchise after it got canceled.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: LordTZer0@...
Date: Tuesday, February 2, 2010 10:50 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

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> Star Trek led to POTA,
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>
>

I always thought of you more as Harry Mudd to his Kirk;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Oh, I love to kid the Veetus. I'm Khan to his Kirk.
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Star Trek led to POTA,

POTA led to Star Wars.

Star Trek had zero to do with POTA.  In those days the movie studios didn't pay any attention to television.

 

What was a major influence on the creation of Star Trek?  Answer me that oh you SF geeks.

 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Star Trek had zero to do with POTA. In those days the movie studios didn't pay any attention to television.
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> What was a major influence on the creation of Star Trek? Answer me that oh you SF geeks.
>
> -- Rory
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However the spelling it was a flying tin can

 

In a message dated 2/3/2010 12:28:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

 

I though it was called Johnny Soko

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Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea. John M.

I like that movie and TV show, but really.... Irwin Allen was the worst thing that ever happened to SF.

 

-- Rory

While I agree that Irwin Allen's oeuvres were frivolous adventure tales
with little character depth and emphasis on visuals and shock, they
still served an important role in SF. Most of us here remember these
shows fondly as they entertained as youngsters. But more importantly,
they taught us that there was such a thing as Science Fiction in which
we can go beyond the realm of our surroundings. They taught to use our
imaginations and that it can not only be fun, but we can even learn a
thing or two.

I've been watching the Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea DVDs lately and
while many of the stories are 'groaners' because of their simplistic
nature, they are still mildly entertaining, although I confess that a
large part of that entertainment pertains to reliving a part of my youth.

At the time, aside from shows like Twilight Zone and some of the Outer
Limits episodes, there just wasn't that much cerebral SF available, so I
still appreciated some of the Irwin Allen shows.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010 0:32 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Apes popularity and other sci-fi

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False and False.

 

Fantastic Voyage came out late Summer

of '66.  Star Trek, Fall of '66.  They call it

Development Hell for a reason.  It could

stay there forever.  It may even be shot,

edited, and shelved and never released!

POTA didn't begin shooting until '67. So

to say that the successes of these had no

effect is just plain wrong.  And Star Trek

was a hit.  Not as huge as it became, but

it had a loyal following.  It may have been

picked up for the fourth season if it hadn't

been for a Suit's wife who wanted her

Gunsmoke back on the air.  Sci Fi costs.

Westerns are cheap.  So even though the

network was hit with an unprecedented letter

campaign to not cancel Star Trek the writing

was already on the wall.

 

 

In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:50:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, darios@... writes:

Not quite. They both debuted at around the same time, but were in
development before hitting the air/theater so neither could have really
impacted the other. Besides, Star Trek was NOT an immediate hit. It only
really became a franchise after it got canceled.

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Money follows Money.

The bean counters take

everything into consideration.

Do you really think the office

that Greenlights the studio

budgets would take the success

of any Sci Fi, even a book, lightly?

They aren't in sHOW Business to

make Art, but to make Money!

 

 

In a message dated 2/3/2010 1:07:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Star Trek had zero to do with POTA.

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The movie with Walter Pigeon,

Peter Lorre and Barbara Eden  

was better.  Still, in spite of the

oxymoron Successful Disaster

Movie, he did give us Lost In

Space, which though it was

pre POTA was successful

enough to be it's contemporary.

Billy Mumy used to go to the

set, and they used gorilla

makeups as Aliens on it too.

 

 

In a message dated 2/4/2010 8:15:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, darios@... writes:

At the time, aside from shows like Twilight Zone and some of the Outer
Limits episodes, there just wasn't that much cerebral SF available, so I
still appreciated some of the Irwin Allen shows.

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Star trek started with the first pilot that was filmed I thought in 1964-65, then was not picked up until more work from the producers and a change in cast and its official run started in 66. The Apes book ,as you all know was 1963 but was optioned by Jacobs almost before in went into print from a heads up from his future wife Natalie Trundy. Then it was passed around every studio twice and the cheapo King Brothers organization. Finaly it was taken to Fox again and after the little fim with E.G. Robinson it was given a green light. Point being that all of the popular Sci-Fi that came out by the mid to late sixties were probably crossing each others paths and some influence or ideas might of been stolen or co-opted by one or the other. This happens all the time in music esp. at that time with all the competion with musical groups and who will come out with the "newest" sound. John M>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> False and False.
>
> Fantastic Voyage came out late Summer
> of '66. Star Trek, Fall of '66. They call it
> Development Hell for a reason. It could
> stay there forever. It may even be shot,
> edited, and shelved and never released!
> POTA didn't begin shooting until '67. So
> to say that the successes of these had no
> effect is just plain wrong. And Star Trek
> was a hit. Not as huge as it became, but
> it had a loyal following. It may have been
> picked up for the fourth season if it hadn't
> been for a Suit's wife who wanted her
> Gunsmoke back on the air. Sci Fi costs.
> Westerns are cheap. So even though the
> network was hit with an unprecedented letter
> campaign to not cancel Star Trek the writing
> was already on the wall.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:50:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> darios@... writes:
>
> Not quite. They both debuted at around the same time, but were in
> development before hitting the air/theater so neither could have really
> impacted the other. Besides, Star Trek was NOT an immediate hit. It only
> really became a franchise after it got canceled.
>
> Dario
>

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I'll go along with that.By the way,my name is John Maiani-sounds out My-on-ee.italian.LOL

 

In a message dated 2/5/2010 9:42:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

 

Star trek started with the first pilot that was filmed I thought in 1964-65, then was not picked up until more work from the producers and a change in cast and its official run started in 66. The Apes book ,as you all know was 1963 but was optioned by Jacobs almost before in went into print from a heads up from his future wife Natalie Trundy. Then it was passed around every studio twice and the cheapo King Brothers organization. Finaly it was taken to Fox again and after the little fim with E.G. Robinson it was given a green light. Point being that all of the popular Sci-Fi that came out by the mid to late sixties were probably crossing each others paths and some influence or ideas might of been stolen or co-opted by one or the other. This happens all the time in music esp. at that time with all the competion with musical groups and who will come out with the "newest" sound. John M>

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, LordTZer0@.. . wrote:
>
>
> False and False.
>
> Fantastic Voyage came out late Summer
> of '66. Star Trek, Fall of '66. They call it
> Development Hell for a reason. It could
> stay there forever. It may even be shot,
> edited, and shelved and never released!
> POTA didn't begin shooting until '67. So
> to say that the successes of these had no
> effect is just plain wrong. And Star Trek
> was a hit. Not as huge as it became, but
> it had a loyal following. It may have been
> picked up for the fourth season if it hadn't
> been for a Suit's wife who wanted her
> Gunsmoke back on the air. Sci Fi costs.
> Westerns are cheap. So even though the
> network was hit with an unprecedented letter
> campaign to not cancel Star Trek the writing
> was already on the wall.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/3/2010 7:50:00 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> darios@... writes:
>
> Not quite. They both debuted at around the same time, but were in
> development before hitting the air/theater so neither could have really
> impacted the other. Besides, Star Trek was NOT an immediate hit. It only
> really became a franchise after it got canceled.
>
> Dario
>

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Very cool Jess! Can Zira knit me a new scarf? ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
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> Happy Friday!!
>
> Jess.
>

Great articles William! Thanks for sharing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
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> dear group, found three articles on planet in van nuys ,california dated march 26, 1968- march 28,1968-- first article about maurice evans second article on jerry goldsmith and third a review of planet. enjoy from william burge
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