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Group: pota Message: 58635 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58636 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58637 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58638 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Fw: planet items
Group: pota Message: 58639 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58640 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58641 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58642 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58643 From: rassmguy Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58644 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Fw: [pota] 1971 uk poster
Group: pota Message: 58645 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Fw: planet items
Group: pota Message: 58646 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: two beneath posters
Group: pota Message: 58647 From: scott bosco Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58648 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: jacobs first producer film
Group: pota Message: 58649 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Fw: [pota] jacobs first produce film
Group: pota Message: 58650 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Fw: [pota] jacobs first produce film
Group: pota Message: 58651 From: stenosaurus@aol.com Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [pota] 1971 uk poster [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 58652 From: James Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 58653 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58654 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58655 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58656 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: View PDFs on my site
Group: pota Message: 58657 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58658 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58659 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58660 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58661 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: planet items
Group: pota Message: 58662 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58663 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58664 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58665 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58666 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: planet goodies
Group: pota Message: 58667 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Fw: planet goodies
Group: pota Message: 58668 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58669 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58670 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58671 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58672 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: [pota] 1971 uk poster
Group: pota Message: 58673 From: Neil Foster Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: Fw: planet goodies
Group: pota Message: 58674 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: zaius artwork
Group: pota Message: 58675 From: DAVID Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58676 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58677 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58678 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58679 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: What Fox said about POTA2011
Group: pota Message: 58680 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: What Fox said about POTA2011
Group: pota Message: 58681 From: Neil Foster Date: 5/23/2010
Subject: Re: zaius artwork
Group: pota Message: 58682 From: scott bosco Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58683 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58684 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58685 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58686 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: jacobs first producer film
Group: pota Message: 58687 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58688 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58689 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58690 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58691 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58692 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58693 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58694 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58695 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58696 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58697 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58698 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: What Fox said about POTA2011
Group: pota Message: 58699 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58700 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58701 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58702 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58703 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58704 From: jessica rotich Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58705 From: William Burge Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: planet photo
Group: pota Message: 58706 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58707 From: William Burge Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Fw: [pota] planet photo
Group: pota Message: 58708 From: William Burge Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: wantagh theatre 1961
Group: pota Message: 58709 From: Kevin Date: 5/24/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58710 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Scarecrows
Group: pota Message: 58711 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Scarecrows
Group: pota Message: 58712 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Scarecrows
Group: pota Message: 58713 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Fw: planet items
Group: pota Message: 58714 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: planet items
Group: pota Message: 58715 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58716 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Wantagh theatre 1961 [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 58717 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58718 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58719 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: loews capitol last film
Group: pota Message: 58720 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: loews capitol last film
Group: pota Message: 58721 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: loews capitol 1962
Group: pota Message: 58722 From: brianspro@hotmail.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58723 From: V Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Simian Scrolls sold out (US)
Group: pota Message: 58724 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: "Rise of the Apes" needs some lousy human (CENSORED!)s
Group: pota Message: 58725 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Rise will be big budget?
Group: pota Message: 58726 From: jessica rotich Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: Rise will be big budget?
Group: pota Message: 58727 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58728 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58729 From: Gelson Nicolini Monteiro Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: planet photo
Group: pota Message: 58730 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: planet german posters
Group: pota Message: 58731 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58732 From: ronnie2467 Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
Group: pota Message: 58733 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
Group: pota Message: 58734 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 5/25/2010
Subject: Anniversary Reminder



Group: pota Message: 58635 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
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I would say it's more of a re-imagination and less of a sequel, only the names have stayed the same.



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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

 
  Yes, this could lead to a redo of characters and situations from the original films. But just as Jack Nicholson's Joker is different from Heath Ledger's Joker, it would be it's own thing. I don't think it's meant to correspond to Heston's Taylor. Considering how the space program is today, I don't think bringing in astronauts is even a good idea. And we don't know how much the script has changed since that leaked version.
  Except for the Taylor thing, everything else in that article is just surface stuff; borrowed names. There's nothing that suggests to me it will tie in to the original movies.
 
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Group: pota Message: 58636 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
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I don't think it's a prequel to either. It's a prequel to the general idea of POTA. It's not POTA because the apes haven't taken over yet.

I don't agree.  I think it's POTA because -- it seems at this point -- that they're taking chapter 34 of Boulle's book and doing a movie based on it, and referencing the '68 movie to "tie it in" as a prequel to that.  And, by the conclusion of the movie, the apes will have "taken over."

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Group: pota Message: 58637 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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Slightly above mediocre is what we got last time.

I would call BENEATH slightly above mediocre.  No, the 2001 debacle was simply bloody awful.


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Group: pota Message: 58638 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
Subject: Fw: planet items
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    --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

    From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
    Subject: planet items
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: billburge48@...
    Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 5:47 PM

    dear group, found some more planet items. from william burge


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    Group: pota Message: 58639 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/22/2010
    Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
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    And everyone also knew that the Titanic would sink in the end but that didn't seem to hurt the boxoffice numbers.
    Rise of the Apes will do just fine. ;o)
     
    Al


    From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Sat, May 22, 2010 7:37:52 PM
    Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

     


    I don't think it's a prequel to either. It's a prequel to the general idea of POTA. It's not POTA because the apes haven't taken over yet.

    I don't agree.  I think it's POTA because -- it seems at this point -- that they're taking chapter 34 of Boulle's book and doing a movie based on it, and referencing the '68 movie to "tie it in" as a prequel to that.  And, by the conclusion of the movie, the apes will have "taken over."


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    Group: pota Message: 58640 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/22/2010
    Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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     The remake of "King Kong" had a CG ape. What's the difference?

    Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 4:15 PM
    Subject: Re: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

     

    I would love for this movie to be great.  I really like the remakes of Star Trek and King Kong, and I love the originals.  I am not anti-Fox, I think Fox has done some very good work; X-Files for example.
     
    I thought the Tim Burton POTA was okay as a sci fi movie, and terrible as POTA.  If they had called it Monkey Planet, I would have said, that was an okay movie and sort of like POTA, but not as good.  Since they called it POTA, I tend to think of it as terrible.
     
    The premise of the new movie is only lukewarm to me.  I don't like the CGI aspect unless it is for the mass of Apes, but not for main characters.  I don't think the technology is good enough to carry a film.  I don't like that it is set in contemporary times, I think that is just because it is cheaper than building an Ape City, CGI or practical.
     
    Given all that, I don't think it can be great.
    I hope it will be good.
     
    I fear it will be terrible.
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    Group: pota Message: 58641 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/22/2010
    Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
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      If this is leading directly into the 1968 movie that's fine with me. But that's not what I think it is. It will be it's own thing with some affectionate nods.
     
     Where did you hear James Cameron was planning a sequel to "Planet"? From what I heard he was doing his own thing too, a remake of the first two?
     
     As for the sequels, most people, not just "some fans", consider it all one story, not separate from the original. I think if they did, let's say, a trilogy of films leading from "modern day" to the 1968 film I'd be all for that, including evolution into the Chambers makeup (using CG if they want). But I don't think that's where they're going.

    Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 3:38 PM
    Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

     


    Yes, this could lead to a redo of characters and situations from the original films. But just as Jack Nicholson's Joker is different from Heath Ledger's Joker, it would be it's own thing. I don't think it's meant to correspond to Heston's Taylor. Considering how the space program is today, I don't think bringing in astronauts is even a good idea. And we don't know how much the script has changed since that leaked version.
      Except for the Taylor thing, everything else in that article is just surface stuff; borrowed names. There's nothing that suggests to me it will tie in to the original movies.
    There's no mention of the sequels, so I don't get your "original movies" comment, except, as I've said before, some of you fans see POTA as one thing and just can't separate the original from its sequels.
     
    If what this article mentions is true, then this is simply a prequel to the original 1968 movie.  What's so hard to understand about this?  As a prequel it doesn't have to "tie in" any more than a mere mention of an Icarus flight, or the setting up of a situation that could, after two thousand years time, lead to the world Taylor discovers in the original.  There doesn't have to be any further literal "tie ins" for it to be a prequel.  And basically, whether you like it or not, if Fox says it's a prequel -- IT'S A PREQUEL.
     
    Look at the recent reboot of STAR TREK.  That movie was in an alternate timeline than one that would lead to the original series, yet it was still a prequel.
     
    Let me ask a direct question to some here (and you know who you are)....
     
    Is there a problem with Fox making a prequel to the original movie? 
     
    I ask because I don't get what the problem is.  Somebody tell me what the problem is.  I think Fox is on the right track artistically, and is doing almost exactly what the great J.C. wanted to do a decade ago -- ignore the original sequels and start fresh right after Taylor discovers the Statue of Liberty, not that that's what Fox is doing now, but at least they're trying to address what is a great flaw in the original series.  Anyone here know what I'm referring to?
     
    -- Rory


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    Group: pota Message: 58642 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/22/2010
    Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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    I think that having several human sized CG apes interacting with humans just won't look convincing.
     
    The enormity of King Kong causes him to appear unreal just because of his size, so the CG part is not as distracting.
     
    Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
    bunkermeister.blogspot.com
    sgtsays.blogspot.com
    hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
     
    In a message dated 5/22/2010 6:44:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
    The remake of "King Kong" had a CG ape. What's the difference?
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    Group: pota Message: 58643 From: rassmguy Date: 5/22/2010
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    Yes, but CHUD isn't always accurate with their details. In any case, what appears to be happening here is that the film will uses names from the original film as homages--not as direct tie-ins. It doesn't seem likely they're talking about Heston's Taylor, any more than Caesar will be MacDowall's Caesar. Chances are, they'll be different characters.


    --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "ronnie2467" <ronnie2467@...> wrote:
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    > http://www.chud.com/articles/articles/22943/1/EXCLUSIVE-HUGE-PLANET-OF-THE-APES-PREQUEL-STORY-DETAILS/Page1.html"
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    > Read the article above.It mentions the fact of the new movie mentioning tayler travels.This would be before the start of the first ape movie from 1968.Would the movie also mention brent too?
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    Group: pota Message: 58644 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
    Subject: Fw: [pota] 1971 uk poster
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    --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

    From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
    Subject: Fw: [pota] 1971 uk poster
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: billburge48@...
    Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 3:08 PM



    --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

    From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
    Subject: [pota] 1971 uk poster
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: billburge48@...
    Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 2:59 PM

     
    dear group, found a picture on a uk poster site that shows a 1971 poster of planet and escape together . from william burge--neat artwork



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    Group: pota Message: 58645 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
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    --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

    From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
    Subject: Fw: planet items
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: billburge48@...
    Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 7:21 PM



    --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

    From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
    Subject: planet items
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Cc: billburge48@...
    Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 5:47 PM

    dear group, found some more planet items. from william burge



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    Group: pota Message: 58646 From: William Burge Date: 5/22/2010
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    dear droup, found two different beneath posters one italian the second one german . i like the artwork not the same as the us poster. from william burge

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    Group: pota Message: 58647 From: scott bosco Date: 5/23/2010
    Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
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    It's all part of a phase in Hollywood, especially at FOX.  The word/concept "Prequel" is the "it" word.  FOX is releasing a PREDATOR soon.  ALIEN is very much in the works.  Reboot was the "it" world now it's "Prequel".  There's not a problem with this, it is often very safe ground to tread, not to mention easy to do since it relies on very little imagination since has an ending and basic concept to start. 
    The only real and repetitive negative things is what has made re-makes mostly bad of recent is that the new writers in their pompous way to be original have overly written these films to explain everything where as most of the originals made glossed over what was the cause to start the story.  This created a mystery that was eluded to in terms of being answered but never really spelled out.  This allowed the original films to move along with the narrative and not get bogged down with explanation.  The remakes actually had holes in them due to the poor origin concepts.  The original POTA had many more questions rather than explanations yet it worked and moved due to the characters.  Each film in turn worked as a stand alone piece in the same manner.  The issue as to how it began was never the actual story, but a back piece to the adventure.
    With FOX deciding to explain the origin would be safer to begin anew rather than tie in with what already been done since that would need a very deep study of what's been stated - which I doubt they would do since so many years have passed and their track record hasn't been one of using kit gloves.
    This is a prequel of a remake/reboot.
    - Scott B.

    --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:

    From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
    Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 6:38 PM

     

    Yes, this could lead to a redo of characters and situations from the original films. But just as Jack Nicholson's Joker is different from Heath Ledger's Joker, it would be it's own thing. I don't think it's meant to correspond to Heston's Taylor. Considering how the space program is today, I don't think bringing in astronauts is even a good idea. And we don't know how much the script has changed since that leaked version.
      Except for the Taylor thing, everything else in that article is just surface stuff; borrowed names. There's nothing that suggests to me it will tie in to the original movies.
    There's no mention of the sequels, so I don't get your "original movies" comment, except, as I've said before, some of you fans see POTA as one thing and just can't separate the original from its sequels.
     
    If what this article mentions is true, then this is simply a prequel to the original 1968 movie.  What's so hard to understand about this?  As a prequel it doesn't have to "tie in" any more than a mere mention of an Icarus flight, or the setting up of a situation that could, after two thousand years time, lead to the world Taylor discovers in the original.  There doesn't have to be any further literal "tie ins" for it to be a prequel.  And basically, whether you like it or not, if Fox says it's a prequel -- IT'S A PREQUEL.
     
    Look at the recent reboot of STAR TREK.  That movie was in an alternate timeline than one that would lead to the original series, yet it was still a prequel.
     
    Let me ask a direct question to some here (and you know who you are)....
     
    Is there a problem with Fox making a prequel to the original movie? 
     
    I ask because I don't get what the problem is.  Somebody tell me what the problem is.  I think Fox is on the right track artistically, and is doing almost exactly what the great J.C. wanted to do a decade ago -- ignore the original sequels and start fresh right after Taylor discovers the Statue of Liberty, not that that's what Fox is doing now, but at least they're trying to address what is a great flaw in the original series.  Anyone here know what I'm referring to?
     
    -- Rory



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      dear group, i found a rare postcard on flickr showing the marquee from the criterion theatre in new york dated 1964 the first production that arthur p jacobs did caled what a way to go starring shirley mcclaine-- great night time photo. enjoy from william burge

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        Cc: billburge48@...
        Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

         
        dear group, i found a rare postcard on flickr showing the marquee from the criterion theatre in new york dated 1964 the first production that arthur p jacobs did caled what a way to go starring shirley mcclaine-- great night time photo. enjoy from william burge


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        --- On Sun, 5/23/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

        From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
        Subject: Fw: [pota] jacobs first produce film
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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        --- On Sun, 5/23/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

        From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
        Subject: [pota] jacobs first producer film
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Cc: billburge48@...
        Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 10:11 AM

         
        dear group, i found a rare postcard on flickr showing the marquee from the criterion theatre in new york dated 1964 the first production that arthur p jacobs did caled what a way to go starring shirley mcclaine-- great night time photo. enjoy from william burge



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        This is the poster someone mentioned a while ago that I had never seen or heard of...pretty cool.
         
         
        Bruce
         
        In a message dated 5/23/2010 12:22:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billburge48@... writes:
         



        --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@ yahoo.com> wrote:

        From: William Burge <billburge48@ yahoo.com>
        Subject: Fw: [pota] 1971 uk poster
        To: pota@yahoogroups. com
        Cc: billburge48@ yahoo.com
        Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 3:08 PM



        --- On Sat, 5/22/10, William Burge <billburge48@ yahoo.com> wrote:

        From: William Burge <billburge48@ yahoo.com>
        Subject: [pota] 1971 uk poster
        To: pota@yahoogroups. com
        Cc: billburge48@ yahoo.com
        Date: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 2:59 PM

         
        dear group, found a picture on a uk poster site that shows a 1971 poster of planet and escape together . from william burge--neat artwork



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        FYI

         

        Google Alert for: planet of the apes

        WorstPreviews.com

        How Tobey Maguire Lost the Lead in "Planet of the Apes" Prequel
        WorstPreviews.com
        We just reported that 20th Century Fox has signed on James Franco to play the lead in the "Planet of the Apes" prequel, called "Rise of the Apes. ...
        See all stories on this topic

        FISH WRAP: Planet of the Apes & That's Entertainment Sale
        By Andy
        PLANET OF THE APES (1968) is the opening film in the franchise-- it was both social commentary and exciting sci-fi ahead of its time, featuring a plot by Rod Serling (of the Twilight Zone fame) and ground breaking makeup designs by John ...
        FISH WRAP - http://andyfishwrap.blogspot.com/

         

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        These days reboot and prequel seem to be synonymous in Hollywood.


        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
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        > It's actually a reboot, not a prequel. Some sites are calling it that, but it's set in the modern day, not in 1991, and the story is very different. The original movies and characters are a separate universe.
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        Because FOX is trying to have both ways. The remake still made a lot of money and there is an audience out there that has no memory of the original, just the remake. This way by not being specific they get both audiences and let the fans decide: it's a prequel of the original/it's a prequel of the remake, it's a candy/it's a gum, less filling/tastes great.


        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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        >
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        > Why would Fox want to do a prequel to that 2001 disaster?

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        I'm hopeful too. I really want to see them get it right this time.

        But as the song goes 'hope for the best, expect the worst'.


        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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        >
        > New POTA poll: All things considered (assuming you have a grasp on all things), are you generally hopeful about Fox's new APES project, or do you expect little better than the debacle of 2001?
        >
        > I'm expecting better.
        >
        > -- Rory
        >

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        Thanks Hunter. It's great that more people will have access to the treasures on your site.

        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
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        > This probably won't mean anything to long-time visitors to my Apes
        > site, but thanks to Google Docs, I've just added "View PDF" links to
        > most items on my site that are available in PDF format. This allows
        > visitors to view the PDFs without having to download the PDF files
        > and/or without having to have a PDF viewer installed.
        >
        > https://pota.goatley.com/
        >
        > Hunter
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        Group: pota Message: 58657 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
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        Yes I would because it is not "official" and you nor I know if it is close to the truth or not.

        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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        >
        > Of course, James will say that none of this is "official," but I'll bet it's pretty close to the truth,

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        Agreed. It is just another version of POTA, just like their are multiple versions of Batman and Superman and other franchises.


        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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        > I don't think it's a prequel to either. It's a prequel to the general idea of POTA. It's not POTA because the apes haven't taken over yet.
        > I think it will be like "Batman Begins". That was a prequel because it showed how he became Batman, but it wasn't related to any of the movies that came before. It's erasing the chalkboard and starting over, but prequel sounds better than reboot.
        >
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        No.

        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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        > Is there a problem with Fox making a prequel to the original movie?
        >

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        The month's not over yet. Keep trying. :)


        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
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        > Only of the day?
        > I'm disappointed!
        >
        >
        >
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        Thanks again William!


        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
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        > dear group, found some more planet items. from william burge
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        Group: pota Message: 58662 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
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        Thanks a lot Al! I just ordered Titanic from Net Flix. Now you've ruined the end for me.

        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
        >
        > And everyone also knew that the Titanic would sink in the end but that didn't seem to hurt the boxoffice numbers.
        > Rise of the Apes will do just fine. ;o)
        >
        > Al
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        Group: pota Message: 58663 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
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        Well said Scott!

        --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
        >
        > It's all part of a phase in Hollywood, especially at FOX.  The word/concept "Prequel" is the "it" word.  FOX is releasing a PREDATOR soon.  ALIEN is very much in the works.  Reboot was the "it" world now it's "Prequel".  There's not a problem with this, it is often very safe ground to tread, not to mention easy to do since it relies on very little imagination since has an ending and basic concept to start. 
        > The only real and repetitive negative things is what has made re-makes mostly bad of recent is that the new writers in their pompous way to be original have overly written these films to explain everything where as most of the originals made glossed over what was the cause to start the story.  This created a mystery that was eluded to in terms of being answered but never really spelled out.  This allowed the original films to move along with the narrative and not get bogged down with explanation.  The remakes actually had holes in them due to the poor origin concepts.  The original POTA had many more questions rather than explanations yet it worked and moved due to the characters.  Each film in turn worked as a stand alone piece in the same manner.  The issue as to how it began was never the actual story, but a back piece to the adventure.
        > With FOX deciding to explain the origin would be safer to begin anew rather than tie in with what already been done since that would need a very deep study of what's been stated - which I doubt they would do since so many years have passed and their track record hasn't been one of using kit gloves.
        > This is a prequel of a remake/reboot.
        > - Scott B.
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        Group: pota Message: 58664 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/23/2010
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        I don't believe it has anything to do with Burton's 2001 remake.
        When Aaron Sims was Interviewed at the Clash of the Titans premiere, while he said very little about Rise of the Apes, he did make it clear that it wasn't related to Burton's remake.
         
        Here's Aaron's video interview from MTV in case anyone missed it.
         
        Al 


        From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 12:07:25 PM
        Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

         

        Because FOX is trying to have both ways. The remake still made a lot of money and there is an audience out there that has no memory of the original, just the remake. This way by not being specific they get both audiences and let the fans decide: it's a prequel of the original/it' s a prequel of the remake, it's a candy/it's a gum, less filling/tastes great.


        --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
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        >
        >
        > Why would Fox want to do a prequel to that 2001 disaster?


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        LOL!
         
        Al


        From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 12:19:11 PM
        Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

         

        Thanks a lot Al! I just ordered Titanic from Net Flix. Now you've ruined the end for me.

        --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
        >
        > And everyone also knew that the Titanic would sink in the end but that didn't seem to hurt the boxoffice numbers.
        > Rise of the Apes will do just fine. ;o)
        >
        > Al
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        Group: pota Message: 58666 From: William Burge Date: 5/23/2010
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          dear group, did some more digging and found some more on planet =found the first ape photo showing makeups in 68 and photo in 1975 the actors paula christ and don burke as zira and cornelius in public appearences in toy stores selling ape mego toys. enjoy from william burge

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          --- On Sun, 5/23/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

          From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
          Subject: planet goodies
          To: pota@yahoogroups.com
          Cc: billburge48@...
          Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 1:16 PM

          dear group, did some more digging and found some more on planet =found the first ape photo showing makeups in 68 and photo in 1975 the actors paula christ and don burke as zira and cornelius in public appearences in toy stores selling ape mego toys. enjoy from william burge


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            The Burton flick made a decent amount of money (not as much as they hoped) based on the concept and probably Burton's intriguing visuals in the ads. But it's obvious the audience didn't like it and it didn't get the repeat business that would have put it up there with the big boys. And the important merchandise and tie-ins didn't sell. So the 2001 version isn't even an issue. It's done. That's why it took them 10 years to start over. If Fox thought there was even a glimmer of hope they would of done a sequel/prequel to POTA2001 long ago.
           
           It's not part of POTA2001, it's not part of POTA68, it's POTA2011.

          From: jamesa1102
          Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:07 AM
          Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

           

          Because FOX is trying to have both ways. The remake still made a lot of money and there is an audience out there that has no memory of the original, just the remake. This way by not being specific they get both audiences and let the fans decide: it's a prequel of the original/it' s a prequel of the remake, it's a candy/it's a gum, less filling/tastes great.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:

          >
          >
          >
          >
          Why would Fox want to do a prequel to that 2001 disaster?

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            "Superman" is a perfect example. They tried to tie "Superman Returns" into the original Christopher Reeve movie (and ignored the sequels as Haristas wants). It was neither fish nor fowl and audiences didn't like it. It's too awkward a situation. Better to start over.

          From: jamesa1102
          Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:12 AM
          Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

           

          Agreed. It is just another version of POTA, just like their are multiple versions of Batman and Superman and other franchises.


          --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

          >
          > I don't think it's a prequel to
          either. It's a prequel to the general idea of POTA. It's not POTA because the apes haven't taken over yet.
          > I think it will be like "Batman Begins".
          That was a prequel because it showed how he became Batman, but it wasn't related to any of the movies that came before. It's erasing the chalkboard and starting over, but prequel sounds better than reboot.
          >
          >

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          Group: pota Message: 58670 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/23/2010
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          With the poor knowledge of history of most Americans I wonder how many people who saw Titanic for the first time knew it was a real ship and really sank?
           
          Also, how do you know the box office was not hurt by people knowing the ending? ;)
           
          Actually, the story was about two people the ship was the backdrop to that story, we want to see if those people will survive, that's why they don't tell a historical story of two people who really existed and went on the ship.
           
          Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
          bunkermeister.blogspot.com
          sgtsays.blogspot.com
          hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
           
          In a message dated 5/23/2010 9:24:46 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
          And everyone also knew that the Titanic would sink in the end but that didn't seem to hurt the boxoffice numbers.
          > Rise of the Apes will do just fine. ;o)
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            "Titanic" didn't do so hot it's opening weekend. There was no rush to see it. It just grew because of the word of mouth, the spectacle and the DiCaprio factor. That suggests the "downer" ending made people think twice.
           "Titanic" made $28 million it's opening weekend as opposed to POTA2001's $ 68 million. But people liked "Titanic" and they didn't like POTA so we know where it ended up.

          From: jamesa1102
          Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 9:19 AM
          Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

           

          Thanks a lot Al! I just ordered Titanic from Net Flix. Now you've ruined the end for me.

          --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

          >
          > And everyone also knew
          that the Titanic would sink in the end but that didn't seem to hurt the boxoffice numbers.
          > Rise of the Apes will do just fine. ;o)
          >
          > Al
          >

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          Group: pota Message: 58672 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 5/23/2010
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          William .was that on a site to seell it? or just to show it?
          Thanks for sharing! Tim

          In a message dated 5/23/2010 12:22:36 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, billburge48@ yahoo.com writes:
           
          dear group, found a picture on a uk poster site that shows a 1971 poster of planet and escape together . from william burge--neat artwork




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          Group: pota Message: 58673 From: Neil Foster Date: 5/23/2010
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            Hi William, just curious as to where you found the Zaius drawing?
            It's just that it was drawn by me and is part of the comic Going Home (see attached panel)
            As far as I can recall the comic was only ever available on the PotaDG group and this certainly looks like it was originally taken from there as you can see part of the watermark I put on the pages. I'm not upset about it or anything just curious as to where it came from and what it has been used for!
             
             
             
             
            Neil T. Foster
             
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            dear neil, the zaius artwork was posted on the wikia page under planet of the apes . from william burge

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            Group: pota Message: 58675 From: DAVID Date: 5/23/2010
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            Very, Very Excited that we are having a new Apes Project. After all it's been NINE long years. Kids need to see what we're all so excited over. We could be in a LOT of worse hands and I think we're in good ones-WETA is an excellent choice for the effects-their work is always 100%, Driven by their heart and creativity and always spectacular. And for those people griping about James Franco-he's a very good actor and hey...NOT Marky Mark. The production designer is top notch. Bottom line-even if some people hate it-it puts Apes back out in the collective minds and will cause a lot of people and youngsters to seek out the Older Apes films to view and relive to see what it's all about. It's a world that can't die because it's myth now. We all know that. Hollywood just hasn't got that yet-maybe they will this time.

            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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            >
            > I'm hopeful too. I really want to see them get it right this time.
            >
            > But as the song goes 'hope for the best, expect the worst'.
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            Group: pota Message: 58676 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/23/2010
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            I couldn't agree more.
            There's going to be plenty of original apes stuff released over the next year. I have no doubt.
            Plus movie marathons and how knows what else. I only hope that with in this coming year "The Fox Movie Channel" finally goes HD.
             
            And if done right, I honestly wouldn't doubt that "Rise of the Apes" may just turn out better than "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes."
            Oh Oh! Now I've done it! Here comes the replies on that one!
             
            HEAD FOR COVER!!!! :o)
             
            Al
             
             


            From: DAVID <hellboygbo@...>
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 6:28:59 PM
            Subject: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

             

            Very, Very Excited that we are having a new Apes Project. After all it's been NINE long years. Kids need to see what we're all so excited over. We could be in a LOT of worse hands and I think we're in good ones-WETA is an excellent choice for the effects-their work is always 100%, Driven by their heart and creativity and always spectacular. And for those people griping about James Franco-he's a very good actor and hey...NOT Marky Mark. The production designer is top notch. Bottom line-even if some people hate it-it puts Apes back out in the collective minds and will cause a lot of people and youngsters to seek out the Older Apes films to view and relive to see what it's all about. It's a world that can't die because it's myth now. We all know that. Hollywood just hasn't got that yet-maybe they will this time.

            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com , "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

            >
            >
            > I'm hopeful too. I really want to see them get it right this time.
            >
            > But as the song goes 'hope for the best, expect the worst'.
            >
            >


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            Group: pota Message: 58677 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/23/2010
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            Group: pota Message: 58678 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
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              What's interesting? That they got it all wrong?

            From: jamesa1102
            Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:11 PM
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            Group: pota Message: 58679 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/23/2010
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             This "Rise of the Apes" keeps getting called a prequel on the internet and that seems to confuse things. The only thing Fox has officially said about the project came in the press release that announced the release date. To wit:
             
             "'Rise of the Apes' (tentative title) is an origin story in the truest sense of the term. Set in present day San Francisco, the film is a reality-based cautionary tale, a science fiction/science fact blend, where man's own experiments with genetic engineering lead to the development of intelligence in apes and the onset of a war for supremacy".
             
             That's all Fox has said about it. Interesting how it says "the onset of a war". Maybe they won't take over in this one.
             
             

            From: jamesa1102
            Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:11 PM
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            I'm sure once the official "Rise of the Apes" web site is released, they'll have complete details on what "Rise of the Apes" is all about.
            So until then you can pretty much take all that is said on the internet with a grain of salt.
            I know I do.
             
            Al


            From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Sun, May 23, 2010 9:02:13 PM
            Subject: [pota] What Fox said about POTA2011

             

             This "Rise of the Apes" keeps getting called a prequel on the internet and that seems to confuse things. The only thing Fox has officially said about the project came in the press release that announced the release date. To wit:
             
             "'Rise of the Apes' (tentative title) is an origin story in the truest sense of the term. Set in present day San Francisco, the film is a reality-based cautionary tale, a science fiction/science fact blend, where man's own experiments with genetic engineering lead to the development of intelligence in apes and the onset of a war for supremacy".
             
             That's all Fox has said about it. Interesting how it says "the onset of a war". Maybe they won't take over in this one.
             
              http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/fox-firms-up-ape-prequel/
             

            From: jamesa1102
            Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:11 PM
            Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

             

            Now this is interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Apes


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            Okay thanks William, now it makes sense.
             
            Neil T. Foster
             
            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
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            > dear neil, the zaius artwork was
            posted on the wikia page under planet of the apes . from william burge
             
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            Group: pota Message: 58682 From: scott bosco Date: 5/24/2010
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            Even now FOX is probably planning on repackaging the Blu-rays ... or, hopefully, putting together better editions with more materials.  (Maybe they'll remaster better sound mixes)
            - Scott B.

            --- On Sun, 5/23/10, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:

            From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
            Subject: Re: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 7:22 PM

             
            I couldn't agree more.
            There's going to be plenty of original apes stuff released over the next year. I have no doubt.
            Plus movie marathons and how knows what else. I only hope that with in this coming year "The Fox Movie Channel" finally goes HD.
             
            And if done right, I honestly wouldn't doubt that "Rise of the Apes" may just turn out better than "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes."
            Oh Oh! Now I've done it! Here comes the replies on that one!
             
            HEAD FOR COVER!!!! :o)
             
            Al
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            Group: pota Message: 58683 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            Not a fan of Kong. 
            I had to check my
            watch when they ran
            from dinosaurs for 5
            minutes and didn't get
            stepped on.  And I doubt
            the best tool for Giant spider
            removal is a Tommy Gun. Not
            unless you don't mind shooting the
            person it's attacking as well while you're
            at it.  A little cutting could have gone a long
            way to help that movie a lot.  But Peter Jackson
            was James Cameron that year, so no one was
            going to tell him to save a scene for the Director's Cut.
             
            In a message dated 5/22/2010 8:44:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
            The remake of "King Kong" had a CG ape. What's the difference?
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            Group: pota Message: 58684 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            Hey, Al and I were the only ones trying to
            "Look On The Bright Side" of the last movie.
            I saw it like 14 times.  Not because I thought
            it was so great.  I figured they only way they
            were ever going to make another was if it did
            well at the boxoffice, so I was trying to shore
            up the numbers by going as often as I could.
             
            In a message dated 5/22/2010 6:17:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pota1968@... writes:
            Negativity only turns me off. And when I hear it, I just walk away.
             
            Al
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            I would say only slightly worse than Battle.
             
            In a message dated 5/22/2010 7:20:01 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
            No, the 2001 debacle was simply bloody awful.
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            LOL!  Love that movie!
            Incidentally, Robert Mitchum's
            first starring role was in a movie
            called When Stranger's Marry,
            with none other than Kim Hunter.
             
            "Melrose!  Forgive Me!"
             ~~~ Robert Mitchum in What A Way To Go~~~~
             
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 10:13:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, billburge48@... writes:
            dear group, i found a rare postcard on flickr showing the marquee from the criterion theatre in new york dated 1964 the first production that arthur p jacobs did caled what a way to go starring shirley mcclaine-- great night time photo. enjoy from william burge
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            Group: pota Message: 58687 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            Or take "Second Best".
            looks like that's what Fox
            did when Spiderman's Star
            came back with note for the
            movie.  They didn't seem to
            think much of his changes.
            Someone said maybe he
            could still get a part in it
            as a Spider Monkey.
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 11:13:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
            But as the song goes 'hope for the best, expect the worst'.
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            LOL!!! Someone put out a Spoiler T-Shirt.
            It ruins just about every surprise ending ever!
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 11:24:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
            Thanks a lot Al! I just ordered Titanic from Net Flix. Now you've ruined the end for me.
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            Group: pota Message: 58689 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            I was hoping for most stinging pun of all time!
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 11:24:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:
            The month's not over yet. Keep trying. :)
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            It only did well because it was an Ape movie.
            Though the only thing that beat it that summer
            was a Jurassic Park movie.  It had good numbers
            for a film that was so badly received.
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 1:44:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
            But it's obvious the audience didn't like it and it didn't get the repeat business that would have put it up there with the big boys.
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            Group: pota Message: 58691 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 5/24/2010
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            I completely agree with that.
            I was just happy to see anything on POTA at the time. But the true test of a great movie is when you can see it multiple times long after it's release on DVD. And quite honestly everytime I see Burton's POTA now it pretty much makes me sick to my stomach. But hey, at least we gave it a fare shot. :o)
             
            Al


            From: "LordTZer0@..." <LordTZer0@...>
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 7:14:11 AM
            Subject: Re: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

             

             
            Hey, Al and I were the only ones trying to
            "Look On The Bright Side" of the last movie.
            I saw it like 14 times.  Not because I thought
            it was so great.  I figured they only way they
            were ever going to make another was if it did
            well at the boxoffice, so I was trying to shore
            up the numbers by going as often as I could.
             
            In a message dated 5/22/2010 6:17:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pota1968@yahoo. com writes:
            Negativity only turns me off. And when I hear it, I just walk away.
             
            Al

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            Group: pota Message: 58692 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            So, what? We're shooting for slightly
            worse than Escape?  Somewhere in
            the Beneath range, depending on taste?
            That's still mediocre in my book.  If you
            If you can't make it better than the original
            don't bother.  Filmaker's 101.  Oh wait, it's
            one of the sequels.  Aim Low Hollywood!
             
            You should see the Fan Trailer for the new
            Remo Williams.  Someone has high hopes!
            They haven't even cast this thing yet, but I
            already like the Fan Picks better than the
            crew they chose to direct the damned thing!
             
             
             
             
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 6:56:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pota1968@... writes:
            And if done right, I honestly wouldn't doubt that "Rise of the Apes" may just turn out better than "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes."
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            Group: pota Message: 58693 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            I'd just like to see someone with more gravitas
            in the role.  Hell, if they wanted someone from
            Spiderman why not Willem Dafoe? Gots Chops!
             
             
            In a message dated 5/23/2010 5:34:53 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hellboygbo@... writes:
             

            Very, Very Excited that we are having a new Apes Project. After all it's been NINE long years. Kids need to see what we're all so excited over. We could be in a LOT of worse hands and I think we're in good ones-WETA is an excellent choice for the effects-their work is always 100%, Driven by their heart and creativity and always spectacular. And for those people griping about James Franco-he's a very good actor and hey...NOT Marky Mark. The production designer is top notch. Bottom line-even if some people hate it-it puts Apes back out in the collective minds and will cause a lot of people and youngsters to seek out the Older Apes films to view and relive to see what it's all about. It's a world that can't die because it's myth now. We all know that. Hollywood just hasn't got that yet-maybe they will this time.

            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > I'm hopeful too. I really want to see them get it right this time.
            >
            > But as the song goes 'hope for the best, expect the worst'.
            >
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 58694 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            Doubt this knows what it's taking about.
             
            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 58695 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            I completely agree with that.
            I was just happy to see anything on POTA at the time. But the true test of a great movie is when you can see it multiple times long after it's release on DVD. And quite honestly everytime I see Burton's POTA now it pretty much makes me sick to my stomach. But hey, at least we gave it a fare shot. :o)
             
            Al


            I was sick to my stomach the first time I saw it!  I was very surprised it made the money it did.  After my first viewing, I thought it was going to be a huge financial bomb!  I mean, it truly is an awful movie.  Tim Burton took the money and ran.  He doesn't even talk about it now, except for how it got him his wife.
             
            -- Rory

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            Group: pota Message: 58696 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            It's not part of POTA2001, it's not part of POTA68, it's POTA2011.

            I'm predicting that it will turn out to be a prequel to the '68 original.
             
            -- Rory


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            Group: pota Message: 58697 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            And if done right, I honestly wouldn't doubt that "Rise of the Apes" may just turn out better than "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes."
            Oh Oh! Now I've done it! Here comes the replies on that one!
             
            HEAD FOR COVER!!!! :o)
             
            Al
            Oh, I agree that it could very well be better than CONQUEST.  CONQUEST is good, but far from great.  Still, nothing can replace these original films.  They are things of their time and that can't be taken away from them.
             
            -- Rory



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            Group: pota Message: 58698 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
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            Very good point Jeff. It is bloggers and others on the net that have called it a prequel, not FOX.


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
            >
            > This "Rise of the Apes" keeps getting called a prequel on the internet and that seems to confuse things. The only thing Fox has officially said about the project came in the press release that announced the release date. To wit:
            >
            > "'Rise of the Apes' (tentative title) is an origin story in the truest sense of the term. Set in present day San Francisco, the film is a reality-based cautionary tale, a science fiction/science fact blend, where man's own experiments with genetic engineering lead to the development of intelligence in apes and the onset of a war for supremacy".
            >
            > That's all Fox has said about it. Interesting how it says "the onset of a war". Maybe they won't take over in this one.
            >
            > http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/fox-firms-up-ape-prequel/
            >
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 58699 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
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            Exactly, which proves the point I was making earlier. FOX is not specifying which film it is a prequel to because they want to have it both ways and let those who are fans of the original think it is a prequel to that while fans of the remake think it is a sequel to that film.


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
            >
            > What's interesting? That they got it all wrong?
            >
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 58700 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
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            Not even close!

            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
            >
            >
            > I was hoping for most stinging pun of all time!
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 58701 From: jamesa1102 Date: 5/24/2010
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            Yeah but you also predicted that McCain was going to win the election;-)


            --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
            >
            > I'm predicting that it will turn out to be a prequel to the '68 original.
            >
            > -- Rory
            >

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            Group: pota Message: 58702 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            Even now FOX is probably planning on repackaging the Blu-rays ... or, hopefully, putting together better editions with more materials.  (Maybe they'll remaster better sound mixes)
            - Scott B.


            Yeah, I was going to bring this up.  Perhaps now would be a good time to start another campaign to get better stuff on Blu-ray, such as a true 5.1 remix of PLANET's audio, but I have doubts Fox would do it.  Well, they might do it on the original, but I don't think they'd spend anything more on the sequels.  For me, of course, an improved Blu-ray of just PLANET would be fine.  I can live with the sequels just as they are.
             
            -- Rory
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            Group: pota Message: 58703 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/24/2010
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            Having fired the Tommy Gun, I can say it is an excellent weapon and I fully recommend it for giant spider removal.  My wife likes it so well she wants to buy one!  Not available in my state at this time.
             
            Yes, the running from dinosaurs scene was a bit long.  I think they wanted to do everything they did in the original plus 50% so everything was larger.  Kong did not fight a T-Rex he fought Three T-Rex.
             
            Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
            bunkermeister.blogspot.com
            sgtsays.blogspot.com
            hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
             
            In a message dated 5/24/2010 4:37:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
            And I doubt
            the best tool for Giant spider
            removal is a Tommy Gun. Not
            unless you don't mind shooting the
            person it's attacking as well while you're
            at it. 
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            Group: pota Message: 58704 From: jessica rotich Date: 5/24/2010
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            The Burton fiasco was such a waste of time and resources. What a damned shame. It had so many possibilities...but golly that was pure sh*t. It's just so vile that I also get sick when I think too much about it...so it's one of those memories I would rather not remember. I saw it once and that was once too many times. I try to be positive about everything but that one just vaporized my positive energy and has made me embittered.
            Damn you Burton!! Goddamn you to hell.
            Jess.


            On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <mcreek25@...> wrote:

            Having fired the Tommy Gun, I can say it is an excellent weapon and I fully recommend it for giant spider removal. My wife likes it so well she wants to buy one! Not available in my state at this time.
            Yes, the running from dinosaurs scene was a bit long. I think they wanted to do everything they did in the original plus 50% so everything was larger. Kong did not fight a T-Rex he fought Three T-Rex.
            Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
            In a message dated 5/24/2010 4:37:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
            And I doubt
            the best tool for Giant spider
            removal is a Tommy Gun. Not
            unless you don't mind shooting the
            person it's attacking as well while you're
            at it.


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            Group: pota Message: 58705 From: William Burge Date: 5/24/2010
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              dear group, found a photo on wikia on planet. from william burge

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              Group: pota Message: 58706 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/24/2010
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                Sorry Jessica, even if this movie is good there won't be much for you to be made up as. A CG ape? Even if you could get made up, they'd think you were something that fell out of a tree.

              Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 12:20 PM
              Subject: Re: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

               

              The Burton fiasco was such a waste of time and resources.  What a damned shame.  It had so many possibilities. ..but golly that was pure sh*t.  It's just so vile that I also get sick when I think too much about it...so it's one of those memories I would rather not remember.  I saw it once and that was once too many times.  I try to be positive about everything but that one just vaporized my positive energy and has made me embittered. 
               
              Damn you Burton!!  Goddamn you to hell.
               
              Jess.
               


               
              On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:47 AM, <mcreek25@aol. com> wrote:
               

              Having fired the Tommy Gun, I can say it is an excellent weapon and I fully recommend it for giant spider removal.  My wife likes it so well she wants to buy one!  Not available in my state at this time.
               
              Yes, the running from dinosaurs scene was a bit long.  I think they wanted to do everything they did in the original plus 50% so everything was larger.  Kong did not fight a T-Rex he fought Three T-Rex.
               
              Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
              In a message dated 5/24/2010 4:37:43 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@AOL. com writes:
              And I doubt
              the best tool for Giant spider
              removal is a Tommy Gun. Not
              unless you don't mind shooting the
              person it's attacking as well while you're
              at it. 


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              --- On Mon, 5/24/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

              From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
              Subject: [pota] planet photo
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: billburge48@...
              Date: Monday, May 24, 2010, 3:14 PM

               
              dear group, found a photo on wikia on planet. from william burge


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              dear rory, i found a photo of the wantagh theatre in long island new york dated 1961. according to cinema treasures site you said that was the first time you saw planet of the apes in april 1968. from william burge

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              Group: pota Message: 58709 From: Kevin Date: 5/24/2010
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              Sorry guys but I don't understand the problems with the whole APES thing
              - I liked Monkey Planet (book) which was very different from the WHOLE
              POTA franchise which I also liked which was very different Burtons Apes
              which again I liked - each is very different from the other and should
              be judged that way.

              KJ
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              Group: pota Message: 58710 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
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              I appreciate a spirited debate.
               
               
              In a message dated 5/15/2010 8:49:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:
              Its true James, as fifty year old men this does read pretty infantile.
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              Group: pota Message: 58711 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
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              I occasionally listen to Coast To Coast...
              you know, ghost stories, Aliens, UFOs,
              and, of course assorted conspiracies.
              Anyway this guy who was the author
              de jour said the Buildabetterburger
              Group, who really run the country ; ) 
              like Mike Meyers dad says in that
              movie, took treasure from the Nazi's
              loot loanded it to news & media
              outlets, and politicians, etc . . .
              and used the leverage to call the
              shot.  You know... Suppress new
              technology.  Sound familiar? And
              that the whole TARP bail out thing
              was because they called in the note
              and no one could spend like drunken
              sailors anymore.  Someone tell congress!
               
               
              In a message dated 5/16/2010 1:01:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:
              I agree. I think it would have made a little more sense. The apes taking that long to evolve into what they became (years of genetic manipulation and sexual selection) and to develop a kind of sub-culture of their own sounds more reasonable.
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              Fifty is the new teens,
              so . . . act your age!
               
               
              In a message dated 5/15/2010 11:50:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
              Whatever it is in the end, this new movie won't have the impact on me at fifty years old (I'll be fifty-two when it's released
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              --- On Tue, 5/25/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:

              From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
              Subject: planet items
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: billburge48@...
              Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 7:55 AM

              dear group, found some planet photos on ebay. from willim burge


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              Group: pota Message: 58714 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
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              dear group, found some planet photos on ebay. from willim burge

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              Group: pota Message: 58715 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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                I think that's probably what will happen if they go back to blu-ray. A special edition of just the original like they did on standard DVD after the collection came out (2004ish). Might be worth it if they dig up the pregnant Nova scene and other stuff. I wouldn't mind having some of the old extras in HD, like "Behind", the Edward G. makeup test, the outtakes.
               They are putting out a 2 disc blu-ray of "Predator" to go with the new movie.

              Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:24 AM
              Subject: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

               


              Yeah, I was going to bring this up.  Perhaps now would be a good time to start another campaign to get better stuff on Blu-ray, such as a true 5.1 remix of PLANET's audio, but I have doubts Fox would do it.  Well, they might do it on the original, but I don't think they'd spend anything more on the sequels.  For me, of course, an improved Blu-ray of just PLANET would be fine.  I can live with the sequels just as they are.
               
              -- Rory

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              Group: pota Message: 58716 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
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              Yeah, that was the theatre.  Saw ESCAPE there for the first time too.  The place got demolished nearly twenty years ago, but it's nice a photo of it has survived.  Thanks.




              -----Original Message-----
              From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Cc: billburge48@...
              Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 11:37 pm
              Subject: [pota] wantagh theatre 1961 [1 Attachment]

               
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              dear rory, i found a photo of the wantagh theatre in long island new york dated 1961. according to cinema treasures site you said that was the first time you saw planet of the apes in april 1968. from william burge

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              Group: pota Message: 58717 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
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              Except that Fox, with the exception of the 35th Anniversary DVD, sees PLANET as part of the "Apes Saga," so a new Blu-ray special edition of just the original seems unlikely to me.  But, it's worth a try.  All the extras you mention should be remastered in HD, and Fox really owes it to the legacy of the film, the landmark status of it and Goldsmith's score, that the sound be remixed in true 5.1, and their current Blu-ray picture could still undergo more digital cleanup -- like the fantastic work done with the Bond films.


              -----Original Message-----
              From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 6:21 pm
              Subject: Re: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

               
                I think that's probably what will happen if they go back to blu-ray. A special edition of just the original like they did on standard DVD after the collection came out (2004ish). Might be worth it if they dig up the pregnant Nova scene and other stuff. I wouldn't mind having some of the old extras in HD, like "Behind", the Edward G. makeup test, the outtakes.
               They are putting out a 2 disc blu-ray of "Predator" to go with the new movie.

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              Group: pota Message: 58718 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?
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              Yeah but you also predicted that McCain was going to win the election;-)
              I did not!  That guy was never going to win.



              -----Original Message-----
              From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
              To: pota@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Mon, May 24, 2010 2:04 pm
              Subject: [pota] Re: how is new prequel to deal with original movies and characters?

               
              Yeah but you also predicted that McCain was going to win the election;-)

              --- In pota@yahoogroups. com, Haristas@... wrote:
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              > I'm predicting that it will turn out to be a prequel to the '68 original.
              >
              > -- Rory
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              Group: pota Message: 58719 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
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              dear group, here is a nightime photo of 2001 a space odyssey --the last film shown at the loews capitol the same theatre planet opened in feb 8, 1968 . found this photo on the cinerama website. from william burge

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              dear group, i found a night time showing photo of the loews capitol---2001 the 1968  marquee.from william burge  the photo was on the 70 mm newsletter

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              Group: pota Message: 58721 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
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              dear group, found a photo dated 1962 inside the loews capitol-- i think it looked like this when planet played there 6 years later . from william burge   found the photo on the cinerama website.

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              Group: pota Message: 58722 From: brianspro@hotmail.com Date: 5/25/2010
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              While the Planet of the Apes 2001 lacked the drama, character development, deeper story and classical acting of the original 1968 version, it was no less a good film if judged by it's own merits.

              I liked the movie and thought it better than some of the sequels. The makeup, costumes and special effects were superior to the original too. Though I think the made a mistake with the female chimp makeup by trying to make them more human. I liked the ending too as it was similar to the novel.

              I do wish they kept the same basic story or followed the novel, had a deeper story rather than making it an action film and kept the basic makeup design the same as the original, but the films were made at different times. My kids and most younger people think the originals are boring. So the studio opted for a summer blockbuster action film instead. Rise of the Apes no doubt will be the same.
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              Group: pota Message: 58723 From: V Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Simian Scrolls sold out (US)
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              Hi guys, just wanted you to know I've sold the last issue of the new Simian Scrolls. I have a couple more still to send out, those of you still waiting to receive your copy, but what I have has all been sold.
              Thanks!
              Kass
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              Group: pota Message: 58724 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/25/2010
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               "Rise of the Apes" has put out a call for actors and extras who would like to play some humans of the "lambs to the slaughter" variety (apes need not apply).  Shooting will take place in Vancouver  July 5th - Sept. 30th.
               
               
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              Group: pota Message: 58725 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: Rise will be big budget?
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              That's right bay tay chickapea.
              LOL!!!  I liked him in Taken,
              Darkman, Rob Roy.  Any
              time he's on a rampage.
               
              In a message dated 5/15/2010 11:49:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
              Wasn't Liam Neeson the guy who tried to get Jody Foster to talk English in some Fox movie?  Neeson is good in some things
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              Group: pota Message: 58726 From: jessica rotich Date: 5/25/2010
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              You know, that's a very good point you have there, John! How come Caesar didn't have a hint of Armando's accent?
              Jess.

              On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:05 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:


              If Liam Neeson is teaching Caesar to talk, Caesar will have a broad Ulster accent with the vaguest hint of Hollywood twang.Hmmmm.Makes me wonder why the original Caesar didn't have an Hispanic accent, having learned from Armando.John, Scrolls.


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              Group: pota Message: 58727 From: Jeff Barkley Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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              My thoughts exactly

              Jeff B
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              From: "Kevin" <pellew@...>
              To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:36 PM
              Subject: Re: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'


              > Sorry guys but I don't understand the problems with the whole APES thing
              > - I liked Monkey Planet (book) which was very different from the WHOLE
              > POTA franchise which I also liked which was very different Burtons Apes
              > which again I liked - each is very different from the other and should
              > be judged that way.
              >
              > KJ
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              Group: pota Message: 58728 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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              Personally, I would want something
              with less muzzle climb, like a Finnish
              Jati.  The bolt travels back upward at an
              angle to compensate.  Or the venerable
              H & K MP5SD since it's internal suppressor
              adsorbs much of the recoil.  Either would work.
               
               
              In a message dated 5/24/2010 1:49:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mcreek25@... writes:
              Having fired the Tommy Gun, I can say it is an excellent weapon and I fully recommend it for giant spider removal. 
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              Group: pota Message: 58729 From: Gelson Nicolini Monteiro Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: planet photo
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              Amazing!!!! How do you get this stuff?????

              2010/5/24 William Burge <billburge48@...>

              dear group, found a photo on wikia on planet. from william burge


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              Group: pota Message: 58730 From: William Burge Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: planet german posters
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              dear group, found two german planet posters on imdb.com from william burge    great artwork

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              Group: pota Message: 58731 From: mcreek25@aol.com Date: 5/25/2010
              Subject: Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'
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              MP5 is an excellent choice.  Still few weapons have the knockdown of the .45 ACP or the romance of the Thompson.
               
              Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
              bunkermeister.blogspot.com
              sgtsays.blogspot.com
              hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
               
              In a message dated 5/25/2010 6:39:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
              Finnish
              Jati.  The bolt travels back upward at an
              angle to compensate.  Or the venerable
              H & K MP5SD since it's internal suppressor
              adsorbs much of the recoil.  Either would work.
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              Group: pota Message: 58732 From: ronnie2467 Date: 5/25/2010
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              If that's the case,then the movie would tell of tayler and crew leaving earth.Soon after,if you remember,brent leaves earth to find tayler.when thay left earth it was not run by apes.




              --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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              >
              > It's not part of POTA2001, it's not part of POTA68, it's POTA2011.
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              > I'm predicting that it will turn out to be a prequel to the '68 original.
              >
              > -- Rory
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              Group: pota Message: 58733 From: Jeff K. Date: 5/25/2010
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                "Alice in Wonderland" is closing in on $ 1 billion worldwide so I guess Burton can do what he wants. If we complain too much about his POTA he could even have us killed.  : o
               

              Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 8:29 AM
              Subject: [pota] Re: James Franco to star in 'Rise of the Apes'

               


               
              Al


              I was sick to my stomach the first time I saw it!  I was very surprised it made the money it did.  After my first viewing, I thought it was going to be a huge financial bomb!  I mean, it truly is an awful movie.  Tim Burton took the money and ran.  He doesn't even talk about it now, except for how it got him his wife.
               
              -- Rory

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