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--- On Tue, 5/25/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: planet german posters To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Tuesday, May 25, 2010, 9:02 PM dear group, found two german planet posters on imdb.com from william burge   great artwork

Another problem that I have is with the whole cycle theory - at some
point there had to be a time when the apes rose WITHOUT the intervention
of Ceasar - to me this would or should be the basis of this prequel - if
i remember rightly the future predicted at the end of the last Original
Apes sequel wasa not necessarily the one that would end in the fashion
of beneath.

KJ

Kass and gang- it frackin ROX!

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:16 PM, V <valwp@...> wrote:

Hi guys, just wanted you to know I've sold the last issue of the new Simian Scrolls. I have a couple more still to send out, those of you still waiting to receive your copy, but what I have has all been sold. Thanks! Kass

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Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
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And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
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--- On Wed, 5/26/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: happy anniversary beneath To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 3:16 AM dear group, for a  tribute to beneath on its anniversary here is the opening ad in new york.from william burge

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In that case the Ingram with the Maxim Suppressor on it.

There will still be some muzzle climb, but less than a Thompson.

 

 

In a message dated 5/25/2010 9:19:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, mcreek25@... writes:

MP5 is an excellent choice.  Still few weapons have the knockdown of the .45 ACP or the romance of the Thompson.

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Thanks William!

To celebrate the 40th Anniversary of Beneath a pic of the film's premiere is displayed on the group's Yahoo! home page: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

Also, in the Photos section scans of the the front and back covers of Beneath's soundtrack LP have been added and can be view here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/204752787/pic/list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
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> dear group, for a  tribute to beneath on its anniversary here is the opening ad in new york.from william burge
>

I would say the original Planet is the most popular of all the film's but Escape is the most popular of the sequels.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
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> I'm got to disagree. Escape is the most popular "Ape" movies
>
> Kevin
>

2001 premiered at the Capitol on April 3, 1968, just as PLANET was opening wide across the country.  The next day Martin Luther King was shot.

-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge <billburge48@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc: billburge48@...
Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 4:10 pm
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dear group, here is a nightime photo of 2001 a space odyssey --the last film shown at the loews capitol the same theatre planet opened in feb 8, 1968 . found this photo on the cinerama website. from william burge

"Beneath" is 40. Maybe the most popular of the "Ape" movies.

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 8:11 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

I would say the original Planet is the most popular of all the film's but Escape is the most popular of the sequels.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, PofTAfan@... wrote:
>
> I'm got to disagree. Escape is the most popular "Ape" movies
>
> Kevin
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

Yep. The makeup was incredible. Rick Baker is a genius-his specialty IS apes. I loved Thade and Attar.I loved the costumes and the design of the ape city. (The shot of them leaving the underground passage with the twin moons was beautiful) The Jungle set . Incredible. But watching the first apes the other night made me realize that the real problem with the 2001 film was just when they started something good (Thade's discussion with his father. The initial TimeWave effect. Thade's love of Ari. Thade's murder of his Lieutenants to keep the human's arrival secret. The discovery of the ship. Thade's Relationship of trust with Attar.) they would back off and do something completely silly and goofy. I mean Conquest was one of the lowest budgeted but I absolutely am obsessed with that movie and can't get enough of it! I love Tim Burton too-but it was just too much novelty and "Hey we're making fun of this wacky silly premise. Ape Society = funny!" for the series. And...really thinking on it.. a lot was great, even fantastic-but in the end it had too much poking fun at the universe and they backed of of the serious, thoughtful plain good old acting and brain exercise the first films had. The mirror of human society in ape eyes. Gone. My problem was just the sheer amount of quirkiness and goofiness that killed the absolutely wonderful things the film had. I mean??? 1.) Mark Walberg. I'm sure he's a great actor to some people-but he's never won me over in any film I've seen him in-In Apes he consistently looked bored and constipated. Like he was passing through the world-not reacting to it 2.) Lot of silliness (Ape gang with boombox and mylar clothing? , little ape girl with human in cage???? 3.) child apes with "Team" clothing. 4.)Sure, Tim's then-girlfriend Lisa Marie is hot but the courtship dance on the bed was just way over the top. But I still love some things about the film- Tim Roth did an incredible job (His spent rage against the bulletproof plexiglass-go to a zoo that has plexiglass and you'll see chimps do JUST that. Scary!) . And always love Michael Duncan Clarke. (BOW YOUR HEADS!! :) ) I loved the music, Loved the makeup and Thade and Attar. ESPECIALLY loved the cameo by Mr. Heston and Linda Harrison (BUT WHY was this still incredibly beautiful, amazing woman not given more than a literal four second cameo and hidden among extras???? We'll never get another chance to have these two amazingly wonderful people in an Apes Film-but I'm glad they were both "Home" with us to re-start the franchise and re-open the world we all share.) But I hope the new film brings apes back to the rest of the world-My Love for it will never give out...least not til' I do. ;)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, brianspro@... wrote:
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> While the Planet of the Apes 2001 lacked the drama, character development, deeper story and classical acting of the original 1968 version, it was no less a good film if judged by it's own merits.
>
> I liked the movie and thought it better than some of the sequels. The makeup, costumes and special effects were superior to the original too. Though I think the made a mistake with the female chimp makeup by trying to make them more human. I liked the ending too as it was similar to the novel.
>
> I do wish they kept the same basic story or followed the novel, had a deeper story rather than making it an action film and kept the basic makeup design the same as the original, but the films were made at different times. My kids and most younger people think the originals are boring. So the studio opted for a summer blockbuster action film instead. Rise of the Apes no doubt will be the same.
>

Wow. That is actually a fantastic question (and funny too. A Bonobo that speaks like Bono!!) . I never thought about that. Because even as kids-we all pick up our various regional dialects and carry them through our lives. Of course, Roddy's inflection is AMAZING. Can't get enough of watching the original films. I'd probably do it 24/7 if I could. I LOVE this group!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
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> You know, that's a very good point you have there, John! How come Caesar
> didn't have a hint of Armando's accent?
>
> Jess.
>
> On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 2:05 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > If Liam Neeson is teaching Caesar to talk, Caesar will have a broad Ulster
> > accent with the vaguest hint of Hollywood twang.Hmmmm.Makes me wonder why
> > the original Caesar didn't have an Hispanic accent, having learned from
> > Armando.John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
>

Who says it wasn't: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Other/PLVideo.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> How come this hasn't been posted before?!!!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do_pHzBwN8M
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On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

That guy did a great job!

From: Haristas@...

Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:51 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [pota] Fantastic Video!

How come this hasn't been posted before?!!!

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The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: What day should be choosen as "Planet of the Apes" Day?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- June 29th - The date Conquest premiered & Alex's birthday, 0 votes, 0.00%
- July 4th - Holiday in US , 0 votes, 0.00%
- February 8th - The date Planet premiered, 11 votes, 32.35%
- February 20th - Pierre Boulle's Birthday, 1 votes, 2.94%
- March 7th - Arthur P. Jacobs' Birthday, 1 votes, 2.94%
- April 3rd - The date Planet went into wide release, 4 votes, 11.76%
- May 17th - The date Boulle's novel was published in 1963, 2 votes, 5.88%
- June 24th - The date 'Rise of the Apes' will premiere, 3 votes, 8.82%
- July 14th - Date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet, 9 votes, 26.47%
- November 25th - Date Taylor's ship crashed in 3978, 3 votes, 8.82%



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OK The results are in and not one single date got even a full third of the total. So like they do in many elections, we are going to have a runoff of the top two dates:

• February 8th - The date Planet premiered in 1968 and the date that the whole POTA phenomenon and franchise began.
• July 14th - The date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet and ties into the summer event nature of the films.

Also, I'd like to hear any ideas anyone has for group events we can do to celebrate POTA day once the date had been decided.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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>
> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: What day should be choosen as "Planet of the Apes" Day?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - June 29th - The date Conquest premiered & Alex's birthday, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - July 4th - Holiday in US , 0 votes, 0.00%
> - February 8th - The date Planet premiered, 11 votes, 32.35%
> - February 20th - Pierre Boulle's Birthday, 1 votes, 2.94%
> - March 7th - Arthur P. Jacobs' Birthday, 1 votes, 2.94%
> - April 3rd - The date Planet went into wide release, 4 votes, 11.76%
> - May 17th - The date Boulle's novel was published in 1963, 2 votes, 5.88%
> - June 24th - The date 'Rise of the Apes' will premiere, 3 votes, 8.82%
> - July 14th - Date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet, 9 votes, 26.47%
> - November 25th - Date Taylor's ship crashed in 3978, 3 votes, 8.82%
>
>
>
> For more information about this group, please visit
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota
>
> For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
> http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/forms/general.htmlbr>>

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
pota group:

Which of these two dates should be choosen as POTA day?

o February 8th - The date Planet premiered in 1968 and the date that the whole POTA phenomenon and franchise began.
o July 14th - The date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet and ties into the summer event nature of the films.


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Thanks!

A great job. He must have had quite an adventure to go to all those
places and try to pick out all the exact angles and sets. Quite a lot
of editing too to 'add' himself to existing sequences.

At first I thought that he must have been one of us, that is, a big
POTA fan. But if you look at his list of videos, he's done this 'on
the set of ...' series for a whole bunch of other movies. So doing
this kind of thing must be his hobby or something.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:20 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Fantastic Video!

> Missed it the first time it was posted. Wow. That was just
> fabulous! I
> really enjoyed that one!!
>
> Jess.
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Press releases from the group to local and national press announcing the day.

 

Mention it on our other Yahoo groups and other forums online.

 

Have local get togethers of POTA fans, to watch the movies, wear the makeup / costumes / hang out in Malibu...

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com

 

In a message dated 5/27/2010 6:09:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

 

OK The results are in and not one single date got even a full third of the total. So like they do in many elections, we are going to have a runoff of the top two dates:

• February 8th - The date Planet premiered in 1968 and the date that the whole POTA phenomenon and franchise began.
• July 14th - The date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet and ties into the summer event nature of the films.

Also, I'd like to hear any ideas anyone has for group events we can do to celebrate POTA day once the date had been decided.

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, pota@yahoogroups. com wrote:
>
>
> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: What day should be choosen as "Planet of the Apes" Day?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - June 29th - The date Conquest premiered & Alex's birthday, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - July 4th - Holiday in US , 0 votes, 0.00%
> - February 8th - The date Planet premiered, 11 votes, 32.35%
> - February 20th - Pierre Boulle's Birthday, 1 votes, 2.94%
> - March 7th - Arthur P. Jacobs' Birthday, 1 votes, 2.94%
> - April 3rd - The date Planet went into wide release, 4 votes, 11.76%
> - May 17th - The date Boulle's novel was published in 1963, 2 votes, 5.88%
> - June 24th - The date 'Rise of the Apes' will premiere, 3 votes, 8.82%
> - July 14th - Date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet, 9 votes, 26.47% < BR>> - November 25th - Date Taylor's ship crashed in 3978, 3 votes, 8.82%
>
>
>
> For more information about this group, please visit
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota
>
> For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
> http://help. yahoo.com/ l/us/yahoo/ groups/original/ members/forms/ general.htmlbr>>

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I agree. The book was good.......the apes had an advanced culture. Why don't you guys at Brokensea do an adaption of the book? I've listened to your dramas of Planet and Beneath and I like them, are you planning to do the others as well? (or some unfilmed scripts from the TV series)........that would be cool !!!

Ian

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Why not just make an adaptation of the book?
>
> Or get an actual writer of merit and who might actually care about what he
> is writing for the screen plays if not. 1968 had Rod Serling doing
> treatments as we all know, but get someone to do the series reboot Justice.
> I love the old BSG, but Ron Moore took the concept and made an amazing new
> series with BSG that stood on it's own as almost something completely
> different and good <not every ep was perfect but there were a ton of eps
> that were brilliant in my opinion>. I still watch both and can appreciate
> both.
>
> It seemd like Burton was in over his head, and didn't get "it".
>
> My opinion. Still wanna see the book one day turned into a Movie or Audio
> Play by BBC or something.
>

On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Klaatu <m24grafix@...> wrote:

I agree. The book was good.......the apes had an advanced culture. Why don't you guys at Brokensea do an adaption of the book? I've listened to your dramas of Planet and Beneath and I like them, are you planning to do the others as well? (or some unfilmed scripts from the TV series)........that would be cool !!!

Ian

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Why not just make an adaptation of the book?
>
> Or get an actual writer of merit and who might actually care about what he
> is writing for the screen plays if not. 1968 had Rod Serling doing
> treatments as we all know, but get someone to do the series reboot Justice.
> I love the old BSG, but Ron Moore took the concept and made an amazing new
> series with BSG that stood on it's own as almost something completely
> different and good <not every ep was perfect but there were a ton of eps
> that were brilliant in my opinion>. I still watch both and can appreciate
> both.
>
> It seemd like Burton was in over his head, and didn't get "it".
>
> My opinion. Still wanna see the book one day turned into a Movie or Audio
> Play by BBC or something.
>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

As good as the book is I don't think that many POTA fans would like it -
it is very different from the POTA we have come to love.

KJ

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There's something unsatisfying about all the sequels.

Escape isn't in the "Planet"

Beneath has a fake Cornelius

Conquest had the fight scenes edit

and Battle was just crap.

 

In a message dated 5/26/2010 8:15:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

I would say the original Planet is the most popular of all the film's but Escape is the most popular of the sequels.

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I've always said there was a decent movie in there, somewhere.

If you just edit out Limbo's quips and Heston entirely it plays better.

But you're right. they'd start down the road to taking it seriously and

ruin it with a reference joke, or something that should have ended up

on the editing room floor.  I blame that 3 monkeys gag they left in the

original court scene.  Never ever should have made the final release.

 

 

In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:58:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hellboygbo@... writes:

 

Yep. The makeup was incredible. Rick Baker is a genius-his specialty IS apes. I loved Thade and Attar.I loved the costumes and the design of the ape city. (The shot of them leaving the underground passage with the twin moons was beautiful) The Jungle set . Incredible. But watching the first apes the other night made me realize that the real problem with the 2001 film was just when they started something good (Thade's discussion with his father. The initial TimeWave effect. Thade's love of Ari. Thade's murder of his Lieutenants to keep the human's arrival secret. The discovery of the ship. Thade's Relationship of trust with Attar.) they would back off and do something completely silly and goofy. I mean Conquest was one of the lowest budgeted but I absolutely am obsessed with that movie and can't get enough of it! I love Tim Burton too-but it was just too much novelty and "Hey we're making fun of this wacky silly premise. Ape Society = funny!" for the serie s. And...really thinking on it.. a lot was great, even fantastic-but in the end it had too much poking fun at the universe and they backed of of the serious, thoughtful plain good old acting and brain exercise the first films had. The mirror of human society in ape eyes. Gone. My problem was just the sheer amount of quirkiness and goofiness that killed the absolutely wonderful things the film had. I mean??? 1.) Mark Walberg. I'm sure he's a great actor to some people-but he's never won me over in any film I've seen him in-In Apes he consistently looked bored and constipated. Like he was passing through the world-not reacting to it 2.) Lot of silliness (Ape gang with boombox and mylar clothing? , little ape girl with human in cage???? 3.) child apes with "Team" clothing. 4.)Sure, Tim's then-girlfriend Lisa Marie is hot but the courtship dance on the bed was just way over the top. But I still love some things about the film- Tim Roth did an incredible job (His spent rage against the bulletproof plexiglass-go to a zoo that has plexiglass and you'll see chimps do JUST that. Scary!) . And always love Michael Duncan Clarke. (BOW YOUR HEADS!! :) ) I loved the music, Loved the makeup and Thade and Attar. ESPECIALLY loved the cameo by Mr. Heston and Linda Harrison (BUT WHY was this still incredibly beautiful, amazing woman not given more than a literal four second cameo and hidden among extras???? We'll never get another chance to have these two amazingly wonderful people in an Apes Film-but I'm glad they were both "Home" with us to re-start the franchise and re-open the world we all share.) But I hope the new film brings apes back to the rest of the world-My Love for it will never give out...least not til' I do. ;)

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Must be new.  I saw one for Rambo.

I think it was by the same guy. Very

well done. 

 

In a message dated 5/26/2010 3:12:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

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Why do some of the Apes have an English

accent when others don't?  Because some

of the actors were from England!  That's why!

All except Kim.  Her's was an affectation. She

slips back and forth.  The reason for that is

after the war she went to England to shoot

A Matter Of Life And Death (Stairway To Heaven)

but shooting was delayed for months and by the

time they started she'd picked up the dreaded Limey

Lilt.  This was not good, especially since they had

hired her and flown her in to play an American because

she was an American - a pivotal plot point in the storyline.

In the end they had to bring in a Canadian voice coach

to talk her down so she could find her voice again.  But

by the time she wrapped on the shoot she never quite

sounded the same.  Just a bit of film history for you.

 

 

In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:59:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, hellboygbo@... writes:

. Because even as kids-we all pick up our various regional dialects and carry them through our lives.

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Good morning everyone! This week's new installement of APE CITY CHRONICLES is now available.  

To access click on the banner on the Yahoo home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Group Website  - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• POTA Locations  - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• Cornelius' Journal  - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• The Art Gallery  - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section  - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.
• The Photos Section  - POTA pics contributed by members.

Wel it is that- but at least it would be somehting different aND HOPEFULLY better than the schlock that was Burtons vision. And I would think most POTA fans would have read it at some point and welcome it if it was faithfull to the book, though that's just conjecture/opinion on my part.

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Kevin <pellew@...> wrote:

As good as the book is I don't think that many POTA fans would like it -
it is very different from the POTA we have come to love.

KJ

>

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

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Doing a faithful adaptation of Boulle's novel was what I wanted Fox to do back in the nineties, but once they made that "egregious" (to quote J.C.) re-imagining, then that boat sailed away -- at least in my lifetime.

 

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 8:19 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Silly question to the Makers of POTA movies these days...

 

Wel it is that- but at least it would be somehting different aND HOPEFULLY better than the schlock that was Burtons vision. And I would think most POTA fans would have read it at some point and welcome it if it was faithfull to the book, though that's just conjecture/opinion on my part.

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 1:28 AM, Kevin <pellew@bigpond. com> wrote:

 

As good as the book is I don't think that many POTA fans would like it -
it is very different from the POTA we have come to love.

KJ

>

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    Will Slay...
       Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
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www.brokensea. net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
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Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokense a.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
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I hear ya...Smoking pipe dreams here on my end apparently-LOL

On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 10:41 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Doing a faithful adaptation of Boulle's novel was what I wanted Fox to do back in the nineties, but once they made that "egregious" (to quote J.C.) re-imagining, then that boat sailed away -- at least in my lifetime.

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

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--- On Fri, 5/28/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: on location 1968 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Friday, May 28, 2010, 4:35 PM dear group, found another rare photo of planet at the end of the film where dr zira remarks  what will he find out there doctor and dr zaius says  his destiny-- great part of the film--notice the big arch lights as part of the filming the scene on zuma beach. i wish i was on the set watching this great film unfold. from william burge   this photo came from wikia.com

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Where? 

I don't see a photo.

 

 

In a message dated 5/28/2010 4:46:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time, billburge48@... writes:

 

dear group, found another rare photo of planet at the end of the film where dr zira remarks  what will he find out there doctor and dr zaius says  his destiny-- great part of the film--notice the big arch lights as part of the filming the scene on zuma beach. i wish i was on the set watching this great film unfold. from william burge   this photo came from wikia.com

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I think the statement is a personal one to begin with and really is kinda indefensible. The Idea of "lists" and "Most Popular" is kinda juvenille and self-defeating to begin with. Everyone claims that "ALL!!!!!" Star Wars fans love "The Empire Strikes Back" the most. Well, the first film "A New Hope" is my favorite. The people making the lists write their own personal favorites and don't speak for me. Empire doesn't come close to the feelings the first film gave me. Could care less what people say and I'm not gonna argue with them as it's kinda dumb considering it's all make believe worlds anyway. And as far as Apes, Heck,even Battle has those wonderful quiet scenes of Father and Son (Any Roddy in Apes is Damn Great!!!) and fantastic scenery of bombed out city (Yep. Take that Terminator,The Day After and countless other films much later. Course Twilight Zone did pretty darn good too) Those ruins-It was a hint of the world beyond and awesome ..if even briefly. And in Ape Camp, Pretty cool treehouses.Paul Williams was also a pretty neat addition-not typical casting for any time period. I also loved the interplay between the humans and the apes in exploring the subterran facility and finding the control center. Tension in that scene decades later- still great. It's where the button that created the world of the apes and all the ruin started. Imagine yourself in a postapocalyptic world and realizing you're in the bunker where the ape revolt went down-where it all started with an ally who could possibly find you to be an enemy. I think you can find good in a lot of things if you try. Not saying you have to love it all unconditionally-but I think if the words "Sucks", "Crap", "Not as good as" and "Not what I was expecting" were removed from general lexicon of useage-it would create problems for a lot of people in writing their reviews. It's a high standard to expect a lot from these films-most of which are over 30-40 years old and (still hard to believe) were designed as family films. It was a different world then-quick and low budget were (and still are) the rule. Get the product out as fast as possible before the kids stop liking the apes. Sell the figures and the playsets. I don't think the studio was on the same wavelength as the filmmakers even from the begining.Not much has changed. We've just gotten spoiled by big budgets. Course, I don't see any excuse at all nowdays with the resources studios have-Zero excuse to put out crap. But in the 60's and 70's Budget cuts and a shortsighted studio team had a Lot to do with the problems. Even "Beneath" has the terrible pullover masks and they hadn't even started the worst of the budget cuts the following sequels had. But holy crap, The good general is giving it his all in that speech and we're still quoting it decades later and trying to snare the figures from Sideshow and Hot Toys. How many properties can claim that??? Star Trek and James Bond Maybe. And "Escape" and "Conquest" did fantastically for the budgets they were given. I love em all and still find them all superior to half the stuff out nowdays-even the TV series-which was amazing and great too.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> There's something unsatisfying about all the sequels.
> Escape isn't in the "Planet"
> Beneath has a fake Cornelius
> Conquest had the fight scenes edit
> and Battle was just crap.
>
>
> In a message dated 5/26/2010 8:15:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
> I would say the original Planet is the most popular of all the film's but
> Escape is the most popular of the sequels.
>

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One of the purposes of this group is for fans to come together and discuss the various aspects of the world of POTA. If any member expresses and opinion or makes a statement that another disagrees with, they are free to argue the issue. But no statement is "indefensible" unless it is a personal insult or flame directed at other member. We welcome all opinions and points-of-view as long as they are expressed in a courteous manner that shows respect for other members. If anyone has a problem with that, then it is suggested that you go elsewhere.  

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "DAVID" <hellboygbo@...> wrote:
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>
> I think the statement is a personal one to begin with and really is kinda indefensible.

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--- On Sun, 5/30/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: planet ad To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Sunday, May 30, 2010, 2:41 PM dear group, found a planet ad in trenton, new jersey from flickr.com  enjoy from william burge

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Tim Burton and his editor Chris Lebenzon cut that movie in an edit suite 2 minutes round the corner from me. Nice guys...

Mark

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> It was announced today that "Alice in Wonderland", directed by our own Tim Burton, has become the 6th film ever to pass $ 1 billion in worldwide box office. The others are : 1. "Avatar" (the only one to pass $ 2 billion); 2. "Titanic"; 3. "LOTR: Return of the King"; 4. "Pirates 2: Dead Man's Chest"; 5. "The Dark Knight". Of those 6, 4 were directed by dudes who spent time developing the POTA reboot.
> I'm sure all Ape fans would like to congratulate Mr. Burton on this achievement. (the sound of crickets is heard) Anybody?
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On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:10 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

For this, I guess you'll need to know the way to San Jose!

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--- On Wed, 6/2/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: maurice evans 1968 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 3:53 PM dear group, found  some photos  of maurice evans from ebay - notice on first split photo as zauis and macbeth . from william burge

Awesome. Thank You LordTZer0, There's just so much behind the scenes of Apes as well as onscreen-these films just keep having more life! I really appreciate the information and all the knowledge you all share. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Why do some of the Apes have an English
> accent when others don't? Because some
> of the actors were from England! That's why!
> All except Kim. Her's was an affectation. She
> slips back and forth. The reason for that is
> after the war she went to England to shoot
> A Matter Of Life And Death (Stairway To Heaven)
> but shooting was delayed for months and by the
> time they started she'd picked up the dreaded Limey
> Lilt. This was not good, especially since they had
> hired her and flown her in to play an American because
> she was an American - a pivotal plot point in the storyline.
> In the end they had to bring in a Canadian voice coach
> to talk her down so she could find her voice again. But
> by the time she wrapped on the shoot she never quite
> sounded the same. Just a bit of film history for you.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 5/26/2010 2:59:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> hellboygbo@... writes:
>
> . Because even as kids-we all pick up our various regional dialects and
> carry them through our lives.
>

Yep. I do like the book a lot (have an original copy plus the 2001 version with what looks like Krull in Ape helmet on cover. (Gotta love Pierre's description of Nova-that would have probably been way too much sexuality for Hollywood in any period-but I like the "compromise" for the first film as we all know Linda Harrison is forever GAWGEOUS!) The Hunt is great and I still love the surprise ending on the ship with the identity reveal.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Wel it is that- but at least it would be somehting different aND HOPEFULLY
> better than the schlock that was Burtons vision. And I would think most POTA
> fans would have read it at some point and welcome it if it was faithfull to
> the book, though that's just conjecture/opinion on my part.
>

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Got my copy of the new Simian Scrolls the other day. It may be my favorite issue so far, or at least a close second to issue 6.

Lots of great interviews in this issue, but my favorite two may be the ones with Jacqueline Scott done by Tim Parati and Eileen Dietz donw by Dean Preston. Both actresses appeared in my favorite episode of the TV series - The Good Seeds.

Another great interview this issue is the one with Drew Gaska by Dave Ballard. I think it's the most information I've seen in one place regarding the upcoming Conspiracy novel, with lots of things I hadn't read elsewhere. Dave also wrote great tributes for two recently departed Apes actors: Ricardo Montalban and James Whitmore. The one for Ricardo Montalban was especially well done.

And the unpublished comic story by Sam Argo - fantastic! So great to be able to see this.

Frankly, there isn't a dud article in the entire issue. Even the lone article devoted to PotA 2001 is a stand-out one. It almost (almost!) made me want to pop in the DVD and subject myself to watching the film again.

Well done everyone!

Greg P.

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Thanks, Greg, the kind words are much appreciated.I'm too involved to have an impartial view, but I was delighted with how Scrolls #16 turned out.The Beast Ballard deserves by far the lion's share of the credit for the good stuff---mistakes and clunkers are down to me.I'd love to see Apes awash with fanzines.We've got Ape Chronicles, The Forbidden Zine and Simian Scrolls---any body else feel inspired? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gp3085" <urko3085@...> wrote:
>
> Got my copy of the new Simian Scrolls the other day. It may be my favorite issue so far, or at least a close second to issue 6.
>
> Lots of great interviews in this issue, but my favorite two may be the ones with Jacqueline Scott done by Tim Parati and Eileen Dietz donw by Dean Preston. Both actresses appeared in my favorite episode of the TV series - The Good Seeds.
>
> Another great interview this issue is the one with Drew Gaska by Dave Ballard. I think it's the most information I've seen in one place regarding the upcoming Conspiracy novel, with lots of things I hadn't read elsewhere. Dave also wrote great tributes for two recently departed Apes actors: Ricardo Montalban and James Whitmore. The one for Ricardo Montalban was especially well done.
>
> And the unpublished comic story by Sam Argo - fantastic! So great to be able to see this.
>
> Frankly, there isn't a dud article in the entire issue. Even the lone article devoted to PotA 2001 is a stand-out one. It almost (almost!) made me want to pop in the DVD and subject myself to watching the film again.
>
> Well done everyone!
>
> Greg P.
>

Wouldn't it be great if our new CGI'd Apes movie could create a kids friendly, loveable sidekick like Menace's Jar Jar Binks? Instead of deep, adult issues, we could have a comic cuts Chimp screaming 'Okay Dokeez Meester SEEEZZARRR, meeza help you wit dose bombad humans!!!'.That's the beauty of CGI, you can eliminate things like actor's nuances, improvisation and character development and just get cartooning straight away, to a deadline.You don't have to worry about suprises with the acting performance, nor input from the artists and the software is ready made for the video game.If there's one thing FIVE legendary, fantastically successful movies teaches us, it must be that prosthetics and real actors just don't work.CGI? Can't Get Interested.John, Scrolls.

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Jeff Barkley <skintricks@...> wrote:

So. most of the POTA fans obviously hate POTA '01. I look at it as an action film with apes. Why are most of you sooo against letting it be? There have been numerous other movies that have been remade and they just go on sitting quietly on the shelf. But not POTA. Why? Sometimes the books are followed, sometimes not. But POTA being "reimagined" ( with the ending being the only thing remotely resembling the book) is BLASPHEMY! I don't understand. Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, King Kong, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead---just to name a few---don't get the sheer hatred that Burton's Planet gets.

Jeff B

--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

A similar thing happened to the Lost In Space movie which worked fine as
a Sci Fi movie but not as fans remembered Lost In Space - also it is
said that ALL (note NOT most) Lost in Space fans hated the Movie - I
guess it's a good indication of how much the originals meant to fan and
a bad indicator of how 'MOST' fans react.

KJ

Jeff Barkley wrote:

>
>
> So. most of the POTA fans obviously hate POTA '01. I look at it as an
> action film with apes. Why are most of you sooo against letting it
> be? There have been numerous other movies that have been remade and
> they just go on sitting quietly on the shelf. But not POTA. Why?
> Sometimes the books are followed, sometimes not. But POTA being
> "reimagined" ( with the ending being the only thing remotely
> resembling the book) is BLASPHEMY! I don't understand. Wizard of Oz,
> Alice in Wonderland, King Kong, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman,
> Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead---just to name a
> few---don't get the sheer hatred that Burton's Planet gets.
>
> Jeff B
>
>
>

> It just wasn't very good...There were good parts here and there.

Few and far between....

The entire movie feels like it was shot on a soundstage. The jungle
never for a second makes you believe it's outdoors.

The stupid jokes (mostly from Limbo) completely ruin everything else.

The makeup for Helena Bonham Carter was ridiculous.

The ending made no sense whatsoever, in any kind of way.

Hunter

The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Which of these two dates should be choosen as POTA day?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- February 8th - The date Planet premiered in 1968 and the date that the whole POTA phenomenon and franchise began. , 11 votes, 45.83%
- July 14th - The date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet and ties into the summer event nature of the films. , 13 votes, 54.17%



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and it felt rushed... like Burton just wanted to get the "monkey" off his back and move onto stuff he understood.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> It just wasn't very good...There were good parts here and there.

Few and far between....

The entire movie feels like it was shot on a soundstage. The jungle
never for a second makes you believe it's outdoors.

The stupid jokes (mostly from Limbo) completely ruin everything else.

The makeup for Helena Bonham Carter was ridiculous.

The ending made no sense whatsoever, in any kind of way.

Hunter


Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://brokensea.com/conan/

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I would let it be if they took it off cable, destroyed all the DVDs and burned every copy & negative of the film. It is a terrible film that tarnishes the entire POTA franchise.

As far as Burton, I was never a fan of his and other than a handful of his films, mainly the early ones, I've found most of his work pointless and unwatchable crap.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Barkley" <skintricks@...> wrote:
>
> So. most of the POTA fans obviously hate POTA '01. I look at it as an action film with apes. Why are most of you sooo against letting it be? There have been numerous other movies that have been remade and they just go on sitting quietly on the shelf. But not POTA. Why? Sometimes the books are followed, sometimes not. But POTA being "reimagined" ( with the ending being the only thing remotely resembling the book) is BLASPHEMY! I don't understand. Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, King Kong, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead---just to name a few---don't get the sheer hatred that Burton's Planet gets.
>
> Jeff B
>

Damn John's off his meds again today. Dave, you better call his wife and let her know. :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Wouldn't it be great if our new CGI'd Apes movie could create a kids friendly, loveable sidekick like Menace's Jar Jar Binks? Instead of deep, adult issues, we could have a comic cuts Chimp screaming 'Okay Dokeez Meester SEEEZZARRR, meeza help you wit dose bombad humans!!!'.That's the beauty of CGI, you can eliminate things like actor's nuances, improvisation and character development and just get cartooning straight away, to a deadline.You don't have to worry about suprises with the acting performance, nor input from the artists and the software is ready made for the video game.If there's one thing FIVE legendary, fantastically successful movies teaches us, it must be that prosthetics and real actors just don't work.CGI? Can't Get Interested.John, Scrolls.
>

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The winner of the runoff poll is the July 14th date. Unfortunately, there is not enough lead time this year to do anything big but we can still celebrate it in the group.

One of the suggestions was to create a POTA day flag. An initial prototype was made up as an example but since then three candidate flags have been created for everyone to choose from. They are:

Flag 1: Based on the US flag

 

Flag 2: Based on European style flags

 

Flag 3: Based on the Gorilla Army flags in Beneath:

A new poll will be set up so everyone can vote for their favorite flag.

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> The following pota poll is now closed. Here are the
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> POLL QUESTION: Which of these two dates should be choosen as POTA day?
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> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - February 8th - The date Planet premiered in 1968 and the date that the whole POTA phenomenon and franchise began. , 11 votes, 45.83%
> - July 14th - The date on Taylor's ship's clock at the start of Planet and ties into the summer event nature of the films. , 13 votes, 54.17%
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I'll bet there actually will be actors playing the apes, but in motion capture, much like what was done on AVATAR and KONG.  Not saying I prefer it -- wish they were sticking with makeups --, but I'm not worried that it won't work.  There will be shots that won't look as good as the real thing, but I think for the most part it'll be fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:50 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Jar Jar Chimps

 

Damn John's off his meds again today. Dave, you better call his wife and let her know. :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@ ...> wrote:
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> Wouldn't it be great if our new CGI'd Apes movie could create a kids friendly, loveable sidekick like Menace's Jar Jar Binks? Instead of deep, adult issues, we could have a comic cuts Chimp screaming 'Okay Dokeez Meester SEEEZZARRR, meeza help you wit dose bombad humans!!!'.That' s the beauty of CGI, you can eliminate things like actor's nuances, improvisation and character development and just get cartooning straight away, to a deadline.You don't have to worry about suprises with the acting performance, nor input from the artists and the software is ready made for the video game.If there's one thing FIVE legendary, fantastically successful movies teaches us, it must be that prosthetics and real actors just don't work.CGI? Can't Get Interested.John, Scrolls.
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I would let it be if they took it off cable, destroyed all the DVDs and burned every copy & negative of the film. It is a terrible film that tarnishes the entire POTA franchise.

As far as Burton, I was never a fan of his and other than a handful of his films, mainly the early ones, I've found most of his work pointless and unwatchable crap.

I haven't seen it -- Why would I? -- but supposedly he's done to the classic ALICE IN WONDERLAND what he done did to POTA.  Burton's got a plastic, one-note imagination, which would be fine if he'd just stick to re-imagining plastic.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:20 AM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

If there were someone else to come with me in ape gear, yes, definitely I would make the waves...but right now it's just me and I get tired of the negativity in my household.

Jess.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 7:10 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

For this, I guess you'll need to know the way to San Jose!

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2010 8:53 am
Subject: [pota] POTA and BENEATH on screen in San Jose, CA Aug. 11-15

Planet of the Apes - Double Feature

at The Retro Dome, San Jose, CA

August 11-15
Planet of the Apes Double Feature

Planet of The Apes
Wed Aug 11 – 7pm
Fri Aug 13 – 7pm
Sat Aug 14 – 7pm
Sun Aug 15 – 1pm

with

Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Wed Aug 11 – 9pm
Fri Aug 13 – 9pm
Sat Aug 14 – 9pm
Sun Aug 15 – 3pm

The winner of the runoff poll is the July 14th date. Unfortunately, there is not enough lead time this year to do anything big but we can still celebrate it in the group.

One of the suggestions was to create a POTA day flag. An initial prototype was made up as an example but since then three candidate flags have been created for everyone to choose from. They are:

Wait.... sorry, James, but I don't care for any of yours (don't like the colors).  Why not a contest where group members submit their suggestions, or photoshop work and then we vote on the winner?  July 14th could be the day the winner is revealed.

So. most of the POTA fans obviously hate POTA '01.  I look at it as an action film with apes.  Why are most of you sooo against letting it be?  There have been numerous other movies that have been remade and they just go on sitting quietly on the shelf.  But not POTA.  Why?  Sometimes the books are followed, sometimes not.  But POTA being "reimagined" ( with the ending being the only thing remotely resembling the book) is BLASPHEMY!  I don't understand.  Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, King Kong, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead---just to name a few---don't get the sheer hatred that Burton's Planet gets. 

 

Jeff B

Dude, I've seen "alot" of movies in my lifetime -- the good, the bad, and the ugly -- Burton's POTA '01 is just simply a bad movie.  I don't unstand not seeing that.  Even if there had never been a POTA '68, Burton's movie would still suck.  The script stinks, the direction is phoned in -- really, I don't think Burton gave much of a shit about it, the acting is either deadpan or over-the-top, and the production design is like a bad acid trip in a cheap Tokyo motel.  And let's not forget the incredible sight of apes that can leap through the air!  I'm mean really, dude!

 

-- Rory

LOL "a bad acid trip in a cheap Tokyo motel." Man...Now I'm in the mood for Classic Godzilla-LOL

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:38 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

So. most of the POTA fans obviously hate POTA '01. I look at it as an action film with apes. Why are most of you sooo against letting it be? There have been numerous other movies that have been remade and they just go on sitting quietly on the shelf. But not POTA. Why? Sometimes the books are followed, sometimes not. But POTA being "reimagined" ( with the ending being the only thing remotely resembling the book) is BLASPHEMY! I don't understand. Wizard of Oz, Alice in Wonderland, King Kong, Frankenstein, Dracula, The Wolfman, Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead---just to name a few---don't get the sheer hatred that Burton's Planet gets.

Jeff B

Dude, I've seen "alot" of movies in my lifetime -- the good, the bad, and the ugly -- Burton's POTA '01 is just simply a bad movie. I don't unstand not seeing that. Even if there had never been a POTA '68, Burton's movie would still suck. The script stinks, the direction is phoned in -- really, I don't think Burton gave much of a shit about it, the acting is either deadpan or over-the-top, and the production design is like a bad acid trip in a cheap Tokyo motel. And let's not forget the incredible sight of apes that can leap through the air! I'm mean really, dude!

-- Rory

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That's a great idea. The current poll will be canceled (apologies to those who already voted) and anyone that wants to submit their work can do so. Let's say the deadline for submissions is June 30th and we'll start another poll with the winner revealed on July 14th.

To make it even more interesting, the winner will get a prize: the two "Alpha: and "Omega" posters from the upcoming Conspiracy novel (see below). Plus everyone that enters will get a POTA Blu Ray button.

13"x19" Glossy cardstock print entitled "ALPHA" by artist Joe Jusko

13"x19" Glossy cardstock print entitled "OMEGA" by artist Sanjulian

P.S. The colors on the flags were based on the species colors from the movies.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Wait.... sorry, James, but I don't care for any of yours (don't like the colors). Why not a contest where group members submit their suggestions, or photoshop work and then we vote on the winner? July 14th could be the day the winner is revealed.
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