> I'm wondering if Hollywood even knows how to pull off a truly good
> Summer/Tent Pole movie anymore. Everything seems so trite now -- or
> is it just me getting old?

The current issue of Entertainment Weekly has a three-page story about
this very thing. Box office receipts are way down because everyone
knows the movies they've been releasing a total junk.

Hunter

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The site looks great Alex!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
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> Countdown has begun.
> www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com
>
> Al
>

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My wife and I saw POTA and Escape at the Egyptian theater this year and that is the only time we have been to the movies in 2010.  Pretty sad considering how much we love movies and going to the movies.  It has been a very disappointing year.

Being nearly a lifelong film buff, I think it's been a very disappointing last two decades!

-- Rory

Well, I guess this guy dislikes BENEATH even worse than me, because I wouldn't say BATTLE is better than BENEATH.

 

Anybody else here think BATTLE is better than BENEATH?

FYI

 

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Secure Immaturity » Planet of the Apes Week: Battle for the Planet ... By will I would like to say, before we get into this thing, that Battle for the Planet of the Apes is NOT, I repeat NOT, a bad movie. But it isn't very good either. It kind of exists in that nether region where your kind of enjoying yourself ... Secure Immaturity - http://secureimmatu rity.com/

 

I really hate this movie, but this ape is amazing.

Does anybody have information about this ape? Is it a custom?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/convention%20ape/kokonutguy/ape-raham.jpg

Jess.

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Yes Sir!

 

In a message dated 6/11/2010 8:13:17 P.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

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Lordy!!! That's one of those Kubrick POTA2001 things!

MELT IT DOWN!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Sent: Sun, Jun 13, 2010 3:08 pm
Subject: [pota] Does anyone have any info on this ape?


I really hate this movie, but this ape is amazing.

Does anybody have information about this ape? Is it a custom?

http://media.photobucket.com/image/convention%20ape/kokonutguy/ape-raham.jpg

Jess.

dear rory , the location--duck creek, kanab ,utah ---the film my
friend flicka 1943--the actor--roddy mcdowall from william burge


Right about the actor, wrong about the location and the movie. Keep
trying.

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--- On Sun, 6/13/10, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: [pota] can you identify this photo? To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 8:32 PM   dear rory , heres another answer is it thunderhead son of flicka 1945 --location bryce canyon national park, utah  from william burge

dear rory , here's another answer is it thunderhead son of flicka 1945 --location bryce canyon national park, utah  from william burge

Yes, it is THUNDERHEAD, SON OF FLICKA, but you're still wrong about the location.  I'm surprised -- and disappointed -- you can't see it, and I guess no one else can either -- unless there are very few online in the past day.

 

OK, to make this easier why don't you watch the scene yourself and see if you can guess the location.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6iLwAnWrVk

 

-- Rory

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I may have asked this before, but does anyone have information on the 2 docs that were included, and I'm assuming exclusive to, the out of print R2 French three disc limited edition DVD of POTA2K1. They are titled "The First Saga"(a doc on the original series) and "Planet of the Monkeys?"

http://dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=1528

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I am going to create my own foam latex appliance of Zira. Unfortunately, with no positive of my face, I have to make do with the female plastic face from Apemania. I am almost done with the sculpt. I started her today and by tomorrow she should be done:

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Rob R

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Happy Anniversary Battle!

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Everything looks great, though I can tell you're not finished.  The only thing negative I can say is I wish you'd done a lifemask of yourself first for that perfect fit, but it'll probably be OK.

 

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:13 am
Subject: [pota] Zira foam latex

 

I am going to create my own foam latex appliance of Zira.  Unfortunately, with no positive of my face, I have to make do with the female plastic face from Apemania. I am almost done with the sculpt.  I started her today and by tomorrow she should be done:

 

http://img267. imageshack. us/i/dsc04083d. jpg/

http://img541. imageshack. us/i/dsc04085z. jpg/

 

Do you have any suggestions on improvement?  I'm still working the lower muzzle...and I took into account Lord T's complaints about Apemania's Zira's nose being too big, so this sculpt has a slightly smaller nose. 

 

Jess.

Could someone here remind me -- Where did BATTLE open on June 15, 1973?  I didn't first see it until July 3rd or 4th, but then I was stuck living in a small town in upstate New York in those days.

 

-- Rory

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Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 10:23 am
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Happy Anniversary Battle!

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Hi everybody,

I just found some information on IMDB.com about Rise of the Apes, which I heard was tied into the original five films. The synopsis does not fit at all with the original films, even when viewed from the perspective of Caesar's actions in the 4th and 5th films altering the timeline and breaking the time loop.

Links to Info
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/news#ni2561086
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1318514/

I'm eager to hear others' views on this information and hope those involved with the film see it. I hope I'm not double-posting this info, as I looked for it and didn't locate it.

---IMDB info begins

James Franco has been cast in Rise of the Apes (opening in theaters June 24, 2011) as a scientist in present-day San Francisco who is carrying out experiments on primates in the search for an Alzheimer's cure. A test subject called Caesar develops high intelligence and eventually leads an ape rebellion against mankind.

---IMDB info ends

In Jack Kirby's Kamandi series, there was a chemical which got into the water supply that led to various species of animals evolving and acquiring the power of speech. If the makers of this film want to give the Apes a boost, beyond Caesar's presence, to flesh out their rise to power and fill in the gap between Conquest and Battle, which I thought was when the upcoming film took place, they could include some scientific elements/"Great Disaster" radiation, etc.

The comic book publisher Mr. Comics explained the devastation brilliantly by showing man blowing up the planet in a desperate response to the events in Conquest and subsequent events in the miniseries.

When it is necessary for a filmmaker to tweak certain elements of a story with its roots in another medium in order for their film to work on the screen, it is understandable. It is a responsible and very creative group of film professionals that can adapt a source work and retain its integrity really well. It is a brilliant team which can make the source material even better, which I feel was done with the original five films. I hope that the upcoming film at least reaches the first plateau cited in this paragraph and does justice to the incredible films that spawned it.

FOX has never called the film a prequel or even said if it is tied into the original films or the 2001 remake. Most of that is from various bloggers and websites making assumptions. FOX has only said it is an 'origin' story so it is most likely a full reboot.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "vjcferrante" <vferrante@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I just found some information on IMDB.com about Rise of the Apes, which I heard was tied into the original five films. The synopsis does not fit at all with the original films, even when viewed from the perspective of Caesar's actions in the 4th and 5th films altering the timeline and breaking the time loop.
>

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And it will. Looks to me like you're almost there already.

I hope you're documenting all the steps. Sounds like a good article to
read one day. You may be going towards running your own little FX shop
some day.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:51 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [pota] Re: Zira foam latex

> Here is how the sculpt fits on my face. I have already cured the
> clay. I
> now need to figure out a way to make a mold of this so I can bake foam
> latex. I'm still sourcing the materials I will need. This foam
> latex HAS
> to happen. It just has to happen.
>
> http://img267.imageshack.us/i/dsc04108r.jpg/
>
> Jess.
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:35 AM, John B Kirtley
> <johnbkirtley@...>wrote:
> >
> >
> > This looks great Jessica. Please keep us up to date with the
> process.> John
> >
> > *From:* Haristas@...
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 15, 2010 3:45 PM
> > *To:* pota@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [pota] Re: Zira foam latex
> >
> >
> >
> > Everything looks great, though I can tell you're not finished.
> The only
> > thing negative I can say is I wish you'd done a lifemask of
> yourself first
> > for that perfect fit, but it'll probably be OK.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2010 3:13 am
> > Subject: [pota] Zira foam latex
> >
> >
> > I am going to create my own foam latex appliance of Zira.
> Unfortunately,> with no positive of my face, I have to make do with
> the female plastic face
> > from Apemania. I am almost done with the sculpt. I started her
> today and by
> > tomorrow she should be done:
> >
> > http://img267.imageshack.us/i/dsc04083d.jpg/
> > http://img541.imageshack.us/i/dsc04085z.jpg/
> >
> > Do you have any suggestions on improvement? I'm still working
> the lower
> > muzzle...and I took into account Lord T's complaints about
> Apemania's Zira's
> > nose being too big, so this sculpt has a slightly smaller nose.
> >
> > Jess.
> >
> >
> >
>

Thanks for the clarification, James. I wish they would just build on the rich history from the original five films instead of trying to reinvent it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> FOX has never called the film a prequel or even said if it is tied into
> the original films or the 2001 remake. Most of that is from various
> bloggers and websites making assumptions. FOX has only said it is an
> 'origin' story so it is most likely a full reboot.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "vjcferrante" <vferrante@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I just found some information on IMDB.com about Rise of the Apes,
> which I heard was tied into the original five films. The synopsis does
> not fit at all with the original films, even when viewed from the
> perspective of Caesar's actions in the 4th and 5th films altering the
> timeline and breaking the time loop.
> >
>

Here is how the sculpt fits on my face. I have already cured the clay. I now need to figure out a way to make a mold of this so I can bake foam latex. I'm still sourcing the materials I will need. This foam latex HAS to happen. It just has to happen.

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Hap that's a bit of a map . . .

 

"You fell into the water here, near New Rochelle,

swam past the skeletons of Dick Van Dyke & Mary Tyler Moore,

turned left at the toupee of Allan Brady, Mountains? Many Days &

Night?  And reached the Jersey Turnpike!"  "Out of the question."

"Cornelius, why do you insist on provoking him?"  "No creature

can survive New Jersey.  I know!  I've been there!  I've seen it!"

 

 

Do you have any suggestions on improvement?  I'm still working the lower muzzle...and I took into account Lord T's complaints about Apemania's Zira's nose being too big, so this sculpt has a slightly smaller nose. 

 

Jess.

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I'm on tenterhooks.

Just watch as many

youtube vids as you can

on casting and molding

prosthetics.  So it's like

second nature.  You don't

want to stop too long in a place

you shouldn't.  Mix slightly more

Ultracal than you need.  The only

layer that should begin to cure before

you pour the next is the first one.  Make

sure it's the consistance of a pancake batter.

not to thick or too thin.  And beware of bubbles.

I would say probe inside the mouth with a stick or

straw, but you risk damage to the sculpt.  Don't

worry too much if your dam leaks a little.  Some

extra clean clay near by can be a real life saver!  

 

In a message dated 6/15/2010 9:52:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Everything looks great, though I can tell you're not finished.  The only thing negative I can say is I wish you'd done a lifemask of yourself first for that perfect fit, but it'll probably be OK.

 

-- Rory

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You might consider a slight nose ridge.

It's not obvious in ever pic, but it does

strengthen a weaker area, especially

if you're not using the nylon backing.

I little trick used only for casting Zira.

 

 

In a message dated 6/15/2010 7:23:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, readingrob@... writes:

I took into account Lord T's complaints about Apemania's Zira's nose being too big, so this sculpt has a slightly smaller nose. 

 

Jess.

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You can't search what does not exist.

 

Hollywood makes most movies to do one of two things:

 

Make money, like any good company they cater to their perceived desires of their customers and try and give them what they want.  If Westerns make money, we get Westerns.  If Vampires and Werewolves make money we get Vampires and Werewolves.

 

Second, they try and advance their political agenda, so we get Michael More and Al Gore movies, if they make money or not.

 

We may be getting a POTA movie because someone in Hollywood things Sequels, Prequels, Reboots, etc will make money.  Marmaduke, The ATeam, Sex in the City and all that.

 

Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
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In a message dated 6/16/2010 3:22:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Perhaps this Hollywood soul searching will benefit "Rise of the Apes". Or maybe it will be just another Hollywood soul searching that doesn't add up to much.

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Yes, if it's alright.  Take your Plastic mask support from

Apemania, and if you haven't done so make a positive from

that by filling it with Ultracal 30.  I wouldn't used foil.  Instead

use castor oil or Vaseline as a release agent if you can fine

something better.  Some will just soak the entire thing in a

 5 gallon bucket.  for my positive I took a wooden sculpting

tool (once I'd finished the sculpt, of course) and using some

Ultracal 30 and cheesecloth molded it into the back of the

lifemask.  This proved invaluable as a handle.  I left enough

of a hollow to get my fingers around the back of it so that I

could work it loose in a circular rotating motion.  That and

a release agent for rubber masks help a lot as even my

crude edges are super thin.  You can make some texture

pads by layering liquid latex on oranges, lemons and

grapefruit.  It will help with the pores on the nose. I

would also cut the eyelids before the casting, again

putting on something to keep the plaster from sticking.

The will help keep the edges paper thin.  But before

the first layer of plaster, if you're using clean clay,

smooth you deeper pores and wrinkles with a

soft brush in alcohol for a more natural look.

The hardest part for me was getting the

sculpt as good as I could since the

process of making the negative

will ruin it. The second hardest

part is getting a good cast that

will line up and not break when

used because the lips were too

close together for a sturdy mold.

This is especially important is the

foam ends up to hard or too soft

making removal more difficult.  I

hope that helps & happy mold

casting!  Send lots of pictures!  : )

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Do you have any suggestions on improvement? 

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On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:05 PM, vjcferrante <vferrante@...> wrote:

Thanks for the clarification, James. I wish they would just build on the rich history from the original five films instead of trying to reinvent it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> FOX has never called the film a prequel or even said if it is tied into
> the original films or the 2001 remake. Most of that is from various
> bloggers and websites making assumptions. FOX has only said it is an
> 'origin' story so it is most likely a full reboot.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "vjcferrante" <vferrante@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I just found some information on IMDB.com about Rise of the Apes,
> which I heard was tied into the original five films. The synopsis does
> not fit at all with the original films, even when viewed from the
> perspective of Caesar's actions in the 4th and 5th films altering the
> timeline and breaking the time loop.
> >
>

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Who created this map!  I've never seen this before, but what a bunch of crap it is!

 

Are there actually people here who believe this is the area Cornelius' map shows?  If so, can you please explain to me how the Statue of Liberty, which this map would indicate is inland, is on the ocean shore at the end of PLANET, and, this map would put the ruins of NYC right in the middle of everything.

 

Now just how in the hell did the apes live so close to the mutants -- for two thousand years!! -- and never discover them until the events of BENEATH?  And don't tell me it's because NYC was in the Forbidden Zone -- which is the area right of the dotted line -- because it still places NYC right on the very edge of the boundery and it simply makes no sense that it would go undiscovered for two thousand years -- BUT THEN that's BENEATH -- a movie that makes no sense. 

 

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As for the teeth, I used denture repair kits.

A good way to do them is hot glue on a

nonstick surface.  then insert each tooth

before it hardens.  Just make sure you've

done a template to ensure a proper fit.

That way you can glue the uppers and

lowers in as a whole instead of indiviually.

 

In a message dated 6/16/2010 2:12:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

 

Here is how the sculpt fits on my face.  I have already cured the clay.  I now need to figure out a way to make a mold of this so I can bake foam latex.  I'm still sourcing the materials I will need.  This foam latex HAS to happen.  It just has to happen.  

http://img267. imageshack. us/i/dsc04108r. jpg/

Jess.

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    Hi Jess,

 

Here's the best vids I could find on the mold process.

You can see how they make a clay dam to pour the molds. 

Foam Latex seems to be taking a back seat to silicon lately. 

But Burman has the kits. You can get them from the website,

but any good stage makeup and costume store should have it. 

A good source for Ultracal 30 is pottery making stores or dental

supply stores if you don't want a big bag.  Good Luck! 

 

http://www.burmanfoam.com

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77bBuZosWMI&feature=related

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNtuE6NF2Eg

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeNYDVwiW20&feature=related

 

 

In a message dated 6/16/2010 2:12:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

 

Here is how the sculpt fits on my face.  I have already cured the clay.  I now need to figure out a way to make a mold of this so I can bake foam latex.  I'm still sourcing the materials I will need.  This foam latex HAS to happen.  It just has to happen.  

http://img267. imageshack. us/i/dsc04108r. jpg/

Jess.

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On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:22 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Hi Jess,

Here's the best vids I could find on the mold process.

You can see how they make a clay dam to pour the molds.

Foam Latex seems to be taking a back seat to silicon lately.

But Burman has the kits. You can get them from the website,

but any good stage makeup and costume store should have it.

A good source for Ultracal 30 is pottery making stores or dental

supply stores if you don't want a big bag. Good Luck!

http://www.burmanfoam.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77bBuZosWMI&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNtuE6NF2Eg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeNYDVwiW20&feature=related

In a message dated 6/16/2010 2:12:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Here is how the sculpt fits on my face. I have already cured the clay. I now need to figure out a way to make a mold of this so I can bake foam latex. I'm still sourcing the materials I will need. This foam latex HAS to happen. It just has to happen.

http://img267.imageshack.us/i/dsc04108r.jpg/

Jess.

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In a message dated 6/17/2010 4:49:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Why can't anybody just go ahead and make their own ape foam latex? 

 

I did.  And yes, all it takes is money.  Money and Time.  Oh, and patience.  Money, Time and Patience.  And skills.  Skills that usually come with practice.  Which requires time.  And an oven...mixer, mixing bowls, lots of clay.  The willingness to cook and eat with ovens and bowls and mixers that have been used to make foam rubber.  Well, you can sort of see why everyone doesn't goo it.  I mean do it.  Though I once used a colorant that breaks down foam rubber.  Bad idea!  I spent a month cleaning that mold.  But I digress.

 

Before I knew there was going to be an Apemania, and I thought I had corner the market on Ape appliances by paying Brian a ridiculous amount of money for his rejects.  There's a man who knows how to make lemonade from lemons!  And then drink it, and use that lemonade to piss all over your parade, but I digress.

 

When he sent them to me, I too made life masks by supporting the vacform face with a damp hand towel or something and filling it with ultra cal.  Except for Heston's.  I should do that someday, but I digress. 

 

 Anyway... I, thinking these were originals, insisted they be supported and protected to protect my "investment".  They not only came with vacuform faces under them, but those were encased in a sort of paper chicken bucket thingy with no bottom, and wrapped in plastic.  I had bought a few bricks of green florist's clay for dam building.  But instead I rolled it out in a slab around the lifemask and drove the bottom of the bottomless chicken bucket into it to make the form for the mold.  This worked a treat!  You can also used posterboard or plastic.  I recommend getting some anyway.  My gal's daughter uses it for painting and playing with playdough on.  You will want to protect your surfaces from leaks of plaster, rubber, etc . . . Also, even if you don't invest in spare mixing bowls, measuring spoons, baking sheets, etc.. Get yourself a good resperator.  $30 bucks at the local home improvement store will go a long way.  And you may want to bake while the kids are spending the day at grandma & grandpa's house.  Or if they're really nice use their oven and leave the kids at home.  Unless you're a real neat freak and addicted to huffing ammonia fumes.  If you're still not discouraged . . . Atta Girl! Full Steam Ahead!  Er uh . . . it's fumes not steam.  But I digress.

 

As for scales... You can either get a small mail scale sometimes used for cooking as well, or the Internet is full of great deals on pocket digital scales.  Some that look like CD cases.  Just the thing for the drug dealer on the run.  Or any jeweler's  or reloader's supply store or website.  Anywhere they have to weigh in grains, grams or karats, troy ozs. and the like. They even have scales that will convert between one and another. 

 

Your biggest enemy though is humidity.  You'll want to fight it at all costs.  Rainy and or hot & humid days will have an effect, even with the A/C on.  So remember, it's like making a souffle . . . some will fall.  Oh, and best thing for cleaning a mold of that?  Dental tools.  They work wonders.  You'll discover solutions as you go and road block present themselves.  You might keep a log, to figure why some batches are denser than others.  I never did.  Maybe over baked or not long enough.  Who knows?  Just strive for consistency. 

 

Good Luck!   ^.~

 

T

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Not sure how that will work.

As far as release vs precise

molding.  Depends on what

it's coated in and if it's flexible

or ridged.  Something to ponder

on. I have, on occasion, forgot to

put Vaseline on the eyes, cheeks

and forehead. You might also pick

up a good hammer and chisel, as

Ultracal tends to dry really hard. More

like concrete than plaster.  I never used

a drill to mix it.  Just a rubber glove and my 

in a bucket.  Oh, and I wouldn't pour the left

overs down the drain.  It tends to seize up the

garbage disposal.  just let is dry in a paper or

plastic bowl and pitch it in the trash.  Best way. 

 

In a message dated 6/17/2010 4:49:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

Regarding the destruction of the sculpt when creating the negative mold...I was actually afraid of that, so that's why I decided to sculpt it with Super Sculpey and cure it. 

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It will keep for over a year.

Often after a successful one

you will have no desire to do

it again for a year, maybe more.

It's a bit like pouring molten metal.

Timing is everything.  Pour enough

so that when you join the positive

and negative molds there will be a

bit of overflow.  Then pour the rest on

a paper or plastic plate.  Then when

you push a finger or thumb into it and

it bounces back instead of leaving an

impression you'll know it's ready for the

oven.  This is all from memory, so read

the directions, more than once.  And maybe

laminate them for quick spill free reference.

A gallon might not be a bad idea.  Depending

on your Kitchen & Lab Skills.  You might have

a batch or two go wrong.  Even the pros do.

That's how I got those rejects from Brian.  ^.~

 

T

 

 

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On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> Well, I ordered that package and received squat. I would really like
> a Cornelius card.

Everybody who ordered the package is supposed to get the card. Mine
arrived today, so give it a few days....

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I noticed it seems some Medicom Planet of the Apes figures seem to look way better than others. What I mean is I saw a General Ursus Medicom figure that looked spectacular than another General Ursus Medicom figure that looked like crap, I think because of the paint job looking too dark. Am I going crazy or are some of the Medicom Apes figs different than others even though they are the same figure. Is there a screw up somewhere??

I was looking at a 20th Century Fox audition page for the new film
Rise of the Apes and seen a one sheet they had posted.Looks like a photo shop job to me from the Burton film, so I have no idea if it is official.
I posted the photo in the photo's section under "Rise of the Apes".
If this is the look they are going for, it is pretty lame in my opinion.
I do not care for it at all.
The Studio just does not get that the Original Look is The Planet Of The Apes no matter how many new versions they make.What is so hard about sticking with that.

That image is 'tribute' (rip-off) of T3 - Rise of the Machines which is bizarre because that was, I think, a Warner Bros movie?

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1069566981/pic/list>

It's either a desperate mock up or a fake.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Trin" <theskulpter@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking at a 20th Century Fox audition page for the new film
> Rise of the Apes and seen a one sheet they had posted.Looks like a photo shop job to me from the Burton film, so I have no idea if it is official.
> I posted the photo in the photo's section under "Rise of the Apes".
> If this is the look they are going for, it is pretty lame in my opinion.
> I do not care for it at all.
> The Studio just does not get that the Original Look is The Planet Of The Apes no matter how many new versions they make.What is so hard about sticking with that.
>

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Thanks so much for this!

Can you post a link to the page where you found this?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Trin" <theskulpter@...> wrote:
>
> I was looking at a 20th Century Fox audition page for the new film
> Rise of the Apes and seen a one sheet they had posted.Looks like a photo shop job to me from the Burton film, so I have no idea if it is official.
> I posted the photo in the photo's section under "Rise of the Apes".
> If this is the look they are going for, it is pretty lame in my opinion.
> I do not care for it at all.
> The Studio just does not get that the Original Look is The Planet Of The Apes no matter how many new versions they make.What is so hard about sticking with that.
>

Hey All

Hope you are all enjoying your Cornelius cards, please let me know if someone is missing something. I am very sorry they took so long to get in, but unfortunately overseas printers don't always have the fans/publishers best interests at heart - in the end they were printed domestically in the USA.

Also, those who ordered the complete package in early 2010 and waited until now to receive everything, I have thrown in a little special something - an as of yet unannounced print that we will be making available for sale in the next couple of weeks. What is the art for this print? Here is a hint: Jessica will be happy.

In regards to the title: this isn't the first time I have heard this query. Editor Rich Handley and myself went back and forth in a debate about this a while ago, and we came to the following conclusion: The book is about the conspiracy that defined the Planet of the Apes, not just a conspiracy that happens there.

I hope that clears things up.

Yours-
Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> I'm a little confused about this thing, the upcoming novel that is. The title on this card is "Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes." Shouldn't that be "Conspiracy ON the Planet of the Apes"?
>
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>
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Hey All

Hope you are all enjoying your Cornelius cards, please let me know if someone is missing something. I am very sorry they took so long to get in, but unfortunately overseas printers don't always have the fans/publishers best interests at heart - in the end they were printed domestically in the USA.

Also, those who ordered the complete package in early 2010 and waited until now to receive everything, I have thrown in a little special something - an as of yet unannounced print that we will be making available for sale in the next couple of weeks. What is the art for this print? Here is a hint: Jessica will be happy.

In regards to the title: this isn't the first time I have heard this query. Editor Rich Handley and myself went back and forth in a debate about this a while ago, and we came to the following conclusion: The book is about the conspiracy that defined the Planet of the Apes, not just a conspiracy that happens there.

I hope that clears things up.

Yours-
Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I'm a little confused about this thing, the upcoming novel that is. The title on this card is "Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes." Shouldn't that be "Conspiracy ON the Planet of the Apes"?
>
>
>
>
>

I think it's just someone having a little fun because of the similarity
in the titles of the two movies. I wouldn't try to read anything into it
or come to any conclusions.

Just trying to get a "Rise" out of you.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: dave <smugster2000@...>
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:53 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise of the Apes

> That image is 'tribute' (rip-off) of T3 - Rise of the Machines
> which is bizarre because that was, I think, a Warner Bros movie?
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1069566981/pic/list>
>
> It's either a desperate mock up or a fake.
>
> Dave
>
>
>

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 6:32 AM, Blam <blamventurer@...> wrote:

Hey All

Hope you are all enjoying your Cornelius cards, please let me know if someone is missing something. I am very sorry they took so long to get in, but unfortunately overseas printers don't always have the fans/publishers best interests at heart - in the end they were printed domestically in the USA.

Also, those who ordered the complete package in early 2010 and waited until now to receive everything, I have thrown in a little special something - an as of yet unannounced print that we will be making available for sale in the next couple of weeks. What is the art for this print? Here is a hint: Jessica will be happy.

In regards to the title: this isn't the first time I have heard this query. Editor Rich Handley and myself went back and forth in a debate about this a while ago, and we came to the following conclusion: The book is about the conspiracy that defined the Planet of the Apes, not just a conspiracy that happens there.

I hope that clears things up.

Yours-
Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>

> I'm a little confused about this thing, the upcoming novel that is. The title on this card is "Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes." Shouldn't that be "Conspiracy ON the Planet of the Apes"?
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On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 9:04 AM, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:

I sure hope it's a fake...that chimp (Caesar?) looks like crap.

Yes I figured it was a fake.I just thought it was weird that it was posted on the audition page.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> That image is 'tribute' (rip-off) of T3 - Rise of the Machines which is bizarre because that was, I think, a Warner Bros movie?
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1069566981/pic/list>
>
> It's either a desperate mock up or a fake.
>
> Dave
>
>
>

It was pictured in imdbpro under messages and Rise of the Apes auditions, then when I clicked to the audition page, the photos was there.I do not think it is real, because it is too early, and I do not think they have the look down yet.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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>
> Thanks so much for this!
>
> Can you post a link to the page where you found this?
>
>

Yes, I did not think of rise of the machines when I saw the photo, as I never seen that film.Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> I think it's just someone having a little fun because of the similarity
> in the titles of the two movies. I wouldn't try to read anything into it
> or come to any conclusions.
>
> Just trying to get a "Rise" out of you.
>
> Dario
>

Hey

You are welcome! The remaining cards will be released at New York Comic Con this October. BLAM! does not have a booth at San Diego this year, as I will be there promoting my new sci-fi comic series, Critical Millennium at the ARCHAIA ENTERTAINMENT booth.

Hope that clears everything up!
Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
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> Thanks Drew for the Cornelius cards! They are awesome!
> I noticed that the cards are numbered 1, 3 ,5 , 7, 8, and now 9
> Any plans to putting out 2,4 and 6?
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>

Hey
It seems like forever to me and you both, Rory. Having been a fan that was frustrated waiting for a product to be released several times, I feel your pain. As the guy making the thing, I now understand where all the delays come form.

Aside from a few brutal personal crisis I have had to endure over the past two years, which interfered with my writing schedule - putting together a group of artists of the caliber of the ones working on this project was no small task - and in many cases, I have had to wait for them to find holes in their respective schedules in order to be a part of the project in the first place. Even now, not all of them have turned in their finished pieces yet - but the work in progress is fantastic!

On top of that, I have been (and still am) taking steps to make sure this book gets the widespread distribution it deserves, rather than it becoming a small footnote in the Apes saga hidden in the back of 1 in every 5 comic shops.

We are doing our best to make the release be this Holiday season (November), but may miss and have to shoot for Spring of 2011 (March)- but that's the latest we are looking at. I'm hoping the turn around on the second book will be much quicker, and have that one out within a year from Conspiracy's release.

The delays suck, there is no question of that. All I can do is work my hardest to make sure the book is worth the wait...
Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> So, there was a conspiracy that created the planet of the apes? Well.... why not?
>
> When is this novel coming out? Seems like it's taking forever.
>
> -- Rory
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