|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59135 |
From: James |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59136 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: POTA Day Flag Contest |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59137 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: New poll for pota |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59138 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Chronicles |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59139 |
From: Mark Talbot-Butler |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Day Flag Contest |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59140 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: OT: James Franco shows a lady his monkey |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59141 |
From: dave |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Peter Jackson's d.p. doing "Apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59142 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: Ape City Chronicles |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59143 |
From: James |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59144 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: Brazilian Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59145 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: apes rule 1968 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59146 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59147 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: Re: A few other questions and comments... |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59148 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59149 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Happy Fourth of July! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59150 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Caesar Site |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59151 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59152 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59153 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59154 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59155 |
From: Bill Hollweg |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59156 |
From: dave |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59157 |
From: rob reading |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59158 |
From: James |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59159 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59160 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59161 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59162 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/6/2010 |
| Subject: (OT) Book Review |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59163 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59164 |
From: scott bosco |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Book Review |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59165 |
From: James |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59166 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59167 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59168 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59169 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59170 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59171 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59172 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: OT: "Predators" and pray |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59173 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59174 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59175 |
From: Kevin |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59176 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59177 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59178 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59179 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59180 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59181 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59182 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59183 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59184 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59185 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: OT: "Predators" and pray |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59186 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59187 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59188 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59189 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59190 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59191 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59192 |
From: scott bosco |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59193 |
From: scott bosco |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59194 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59195 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59196 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59197 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59198 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59199 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59200 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59201 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59202 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59203 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59204 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59205 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59206 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59207 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59208 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59209 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59210 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59211 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59212 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59213 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59214 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Ape City Chronicles |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59215 |
From: James |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59216 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59217 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59218 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 ! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59219 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: (OT) Predators |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59220 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Predators |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59221 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59222 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 ! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59223 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59224 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59225 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59226 |
From: James |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59227 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59228 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59229 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: planet tee shirt |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59230 |
From: Eric |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: A question for everyone |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59231 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: OT |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59232 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: planet tee shirt [2 Attachments] |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59233 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59234 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 ! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59135 |
From: James |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59136 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: POTA Day Flag Contest |
.htmlYesterday was the deadline for all entries but only Mike Sibley submitted one. So Mike automatically wins the Alpha and Omega posters along with the POTA Blu Ray button. Congratulations Mike!
But we are still going have a vote. The original designs (with some revisions suggested by Tim & others) along with the design submitted by Mike are the choices. They all have been upload to this folder for viewing: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1504709807/pic/list
The final selection will be announced on POTA Day, July 14th. |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59137 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: New poll for pota |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59138 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Ape City Chronicles |
.htmlThanks Ian! Glad you enjoyed it and hope you like the next installment on friday.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Klaatu" <m24grafix@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've just read the entire Ape City Chronicles so far.........it's like a short novel, lots of history.......loved it !
>
> Ian
>
>
|
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59139 |
From: Mark Talbot-Butler |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: Re: POTA Day Flag Contest |
.html.html
July 14. Sounds like the perfect opportunity to crank up the system and watch the original movie again!
Best wishes from (very hot) London.
Mark.
To: pota@yahoogroups.com From: JamesA1102@... Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2010 13:42:16 +0000 Subject: [pota] POTA Day Flag Contest
Yesterday was the deadline for all entries but only Mike Sibley submitted one. So Mike automatically wins the Alpha and Omega posters along with the POTA Blu Ray button. Congratulations Mike!
But we are still going have a vote. The original designs (with some revisions suggested by Tim & others) along with the design submitted by Mike are the choices. They all have been upload to this folder for viewing: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ photos/album/ 1504709807/ pic/list
The final selection will be announced on POTA Day, July 14th.
Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.
<.html |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59140 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/1/2010 |
| Subject: OT: James Franco shows a lady his monkey |
.html
.html
This was too good to pass up. James Franco (among
certain other projects) is guest starring on the soap "General Hospital" for the
next month or so. Here is yesterday's introduction where he pulls his monkey
out. It's only a toy one but he says he's "thinking about getting a real one". I
presume he is or will soon be in Vancouver to do just that (so to speak) as the
star of "Rise of the Apes".
<.html |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59141 |
From: dave |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Peter Jackson's d.p. doing "Apes" |
.html--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I actually think that the task of blending CGI with live action washes out the sharp edges on the live bits.
Well, let's hope they don't decide to convert it to 3D in post production!
Dave |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59142 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: Ape City Chronicles |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59143 |
From: James |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59144 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/2/2010 |
| Subject: Brazilian Planet of the Apes |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59145 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: apes rule 1968 |
.htmldear group, found two neat photo of planet on ebay. enjoy from william burge
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|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59146 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
.html
.html
This is cool and all, but I really want to see his
Ian Dury and The Blockhead movie!
Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel
By WENN.com | Wednesday, June 30, 2010
The Lord of the Rings star, who inspired the big ape in Peter Jackson's King
Kong, will play Caesar, the chimp who leads the uprising at the centre of the
new film.
Serkis will join Slumdog Millionaire star Freida Pinto, James Franco and John
Lithgow in the movie, which is set in present day San Francisco, California.
Rupert Wyatt will
direct. <.html |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59147 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: Re: A few other questions and comments... |
.html
.html
Rivers change. Especially after
a couple of thousand years.
In a message dated 7/1/2010 5:10:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Zasco1957@... writes:
2. That river which flowed into the sea (we eventually found
out it was the Atlantic Ocean)...it couldn't have once been the Hudson
River, because it wasn't wide enough...I've wondered what it once
was? <.html
|
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59148 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/3/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
.html
.html
And speaking of his Ian Dury & The Blockheads Movie . . .
In a message dated 7/3/2010 10:32:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:
This is cool and all, but I really want to see his
Ian Dury and The Blockhead movie!
Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel
By WENN.com | Wednesday, June 30, 2010
The Lord of the Rings star, who inspired the big ape in Peter Jackson's
King Kong, will play Caesar, the chimp who leads the uprising at the centre of
the new film.
Serkis will join Slumdog Millionaire star Freida Pinto, James Franco and
John Lithgow in the movie, which is set in present day San Francisco,
California.
Rupert Wyatt will direct.
<.html
|
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59149 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Happy Fourth of July! |
.htmlAnd a special happy birthday to Dave B.!!
Jess.
40-gun salute in Ape City!! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59150 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Caesar Site |
.html.html Added a couple of things to the site:
The Caesar News Archive:
And a POTA video section:
Same videos I had on potacollective once I'm done.
Al
<.html |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59151 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59152 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/4/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
.html.html Happy B-Day, Sir. :o)
From: "pota@yahoogroups.com" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 4, 2010 11:46:09 PM
Subject: [pota] Birthday Reminder
| Reminder from: |
|
pota Yahoo! Group |
| |
| Title: |
|
Dave Ballard's Birthday |
| |
| Date: |
|
Monday July 5, 2010 |
| Time: |
|
All Day |
| Repeats: |
|
This event repeats every year. |
| |
| Yahoo! Greetings: |
|
Send a Yahoo! Greeting ![]() |
| Yahoo! Shopping: |
|
Browse Yahoo! Shopping Gift Guide ![]() |
| |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59153 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
.html
.html
July 5th is the scheduled start of production on
the new "Apes" movie. Joe Jaffa confirmed Saturday on imdb that was still the
case. Now, film like apes!
<.html |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 59154 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
.html
.html
I'd like to sing a ballad for Ballard's
birthday. La, la, laaaaaaaaa!
Happy birthday, Dave!
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Birthday Reminder
<.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59155 |
From: Bill Hollweg |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
.htmlHappy B-Day DAVE!!!!!!!!
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
I'd like to sing a ballad for Ballard's birthday. La, la, laaaaaaaaa!
Happy birthday, Dave!
Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2010 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Birthday Reminder
Happy B-Day, Sir. :o)
From: "pota@yahoogroups.com" <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 4, 2010 11:46:09 PM
Subject: [pota] Birthday Reminder
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Message: 59156 |
From: dave |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
.html--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> July 5th is the scheduled start of production on the new "Apes" movie. Joe Jaffa confirmed Saturday on imdb that was still the case. Now, film like apes!
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That's a pretty cool birthday gift... Thanks Joe!
And thanks too, to everyone else for the best wishes - the only thing spoiling the day is that I'm here, at work.
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Message: 59157 |
From: rob reading |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
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Apey Birthday Dave. Go bananas! Rob R
To: pota@yahoogroups.com From: billhollweg@... Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 04:17:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [pota] Birthday Reminder
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Message: 59158 |
From: James |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59159 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
.html --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> Reminder from: pota Yahoo! Group
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal
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> Dave Ballard's Birthday
> Monday July 5, 2010
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Message: 59160 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
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I've already got a photo from the set! OK, it's just a black and white one, but those CGI apes are looking pretty good!
-- Rory
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, Jul 5, 2010 2:51 am
Subject: [pota] God's speed, "Rise of the Apes"
July 5th is the scheduled start of production on the new "Apes" movie. Joe Jaffa confirmed Saturday on imdb that was still the case. Now, film like apes!
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Message: 59161 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/5/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
.html.html How can I resisit that!!?? Happy Birthday Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tim
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, July 5, 2010 9:20:43 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Birthday Reminder
--- In pota@yahoogroups. com, pota@yahoogroups. com wrote:
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> Reminder from: pota Yahoo! Group
> http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/pota/ cal
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> Dave Ballard's Birthday
> Monday July 5, 2010
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Message: 59162 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/6/2010 |
| Subject: (OT) Book Review |
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OK, since no one is posting these days, here's a review of a weird book that seems like a warm up to the new POTA movie. Is there something in the air these days with this kind of thing?
Books of The Times
As if Being a Teenager Wasn't Bad Enough
Published: July 5, 2010
Think of a contemporary version of Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" in which an egotistical scientist's creation is not a hideous-looking monster but a well-mannered teenage girl who quotes Shakespeare, listens to Tom Petty and uses Facebook
and YouTube. This is the high-concept premise of Laurence Gonzales's lumpy new novel, "Lucy."
Lucy is part human, part ape, the result of an experiment in which a British scientist named Stone managed to artificially inseminate a genetically altered female bonobo named Leda. Lucy is reared and home-schooled by Stone in the heart of the African jungle. His plan is to send her off to college in England, where she will presumably meet a mate. He envisions her as "the universal Eve" for a new and improved race of people that will preserve the best qualities of bonobo genetics.
After Stone is killed by insurgents, Lucy is rescued by another primatologist, Jenny Lowe, who knows nothing of Lucy's peculiar parentage. Jenny brings Lucy home with her to Chicago and, when she fails to find any of Lucy's relatives, decides to adopt the 14-year-old girl.
Although some of Lucy's habits strike Jenny as odd — eating bananas without peeling them, clambering up trees, looking for termites in the floor — she initially shrugs them off as the behavior of a girl who grew up in the jungle. When she starts reading through Stone's notebooks, however, she suddenly realizes the shocking truth: Lucy is "a humanzee."
Mr. Gonzales, who is best known for such nonfiction books as "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies and Why," has done a lot of research into bonobo culture and the nonverbal communication of animals, but he doesn't manage to lend Lucy's back story even the veneer of plausibility. In comparison,
Michael Crichton's account in "Jurassic Park" (another Frankenstein-ian novel about the wages of scientific hubris) of how dinosaurs were recreated through the use of recovered DNA reads like a report from a respected scientific journal. Not only does Mr. Gonzales fail to explain how Stone might have managed the unprecedented feat of cross-species breeding in the middle of the jungle without any real laboratory or medical facilities, but he also sidesteps the question of why Lucy's looks are so utterly human and why her bonobo genes are evident mainly in traits like her unusual physical strength and highly acute hearing.
What Mr. Gonzales does manage to do is make Lucy an appealing character — a bright, perceptive, lonely, observant adolescent, who, like many immigrants to the United States, is perplexed by the plethora of processed foods wrapped in shiny plastic, by the ubiquity of music, by the stressed-out, alienated city crowds. He makes the rapid arc of her transformation from a shy, unsure outsider into an all-American teenager thoroughly believable, as she becomes best friends with a schoolmate named Amanda, who teaches her everything from teen-speak to how to use a computer. And he also makes Jenny's hopes and fears for Lucy palpable to the reader — fears that become all too real when Lucy comes down with a form of a treatable virus that has never before been contracted by a human, and the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention insist on doing some genetic tests on her blood.
Though Team Lucy decides it should seize control of this situation and announce her real identity to the world before word leaks out from doctors or the government, matters soon start to spiral out of control: a predictable media feeding frenzy ensues, along with some vicious attacks from religious extremists who denounce Lucy as a "demon child" and the spawn of Satan.
Unfortunately, Mr. Gonzales's orchestration of these developments is increasingly hurried and perfunctory as the book hurtles along. He rushes through the momentous decision to create a YouTube video explaining Lucy's story in her own words, making the whole scenario sound thoroughly hokey, and does much the same thing with the scenes depicting Lucy's flight from home and efforts to elude a mysterious stalker who may or may not work for the government. The reader often has the sense that Mr. Gonzales is impatiently ticking off plot points on an outline, as if he were writing a movie treatment, not a novel.
To make matters worse, his depictions of Lucy's enemies — fundamentalist bigots who want to send her to a zoo; conservative politicians who want to pass a bill that would officially render her "a nonhuman animal" — grow increasingly cartoonish, to the point where any real sense of threat is removed. It seems preposterous that the United States government or its agents would throw this teenage girl into a cage on an Air Force
base. And it seems equally preposterous that they would allow a Mengele-like veterinarian to perform sadistic experiments on her. No more preposterous, one might argue, than the premise that a half-ape/half-human girl could exist in the first place, but having concocted that premise, it would seem that the job of the novelist is to try to get the reader to suspend disbelief for the story's duration.
The clever ending Mr. Gonzales has come up with for "Lucy" marks a complete departure from the "Frankenstein" template, and it's oddly satisfying on an emotional level. Even so, it's not enough to make up for all the careless writing and absurd plot shenanigans that have gone before.
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Message: 59163 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
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What?
No one but me remembers Ian Dury & The Blockheads?
Pathetic
In a message dated 7/3/2010 11:17:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:
And speaking of his Ian Dury & The Blockheads Movie . . .
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59164 |
From: scott bosco |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Book Review |
.htmlProbably just me but... I found my self laughing at this synopsis. "Humanzee!" "...eating bananas without peeling them, clambering up trees, looking for termites in the floor"
"a universal Eve"
It all sounds like legitimizing double-dipping between species.
- Scott B. --- On Tue, 7/6/10, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
Subject: [pota] (OT) Book Review
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:25 AM
OK, since no one is posting these days, here's a review of a weird book that seems like a warm up to the new POTA movie. Is there something in the air these days with this kind of thing?
Books of The Times
As if Being a Teenager Wasn't Bad Enough
Published: July 5, 2010
Think of a contemporary version of Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" in which an egotistical scientist's creation is not a hideous-looking monster but a well-mannered teenage girl who quotes Shakespeare, listens to Tom Petty and uses Facebook
and YouTube. This is the high-concept premise of Laurence
Gonzales's lumpy new novel, "Lucy."
Lucy is part human, part ape, the result of an experiment in which a British scientist named Stone managed to artificially inseminate a genetically altered female bonobo named Leda. Lucy is reared and home-schooled by Stone in the heart of the African jungle. His plan is to send her off to college in England, where she will presumably meet a mate. He envisions her as "the universal Eve" for a new and improved race of people that will preserve the best qualities of bonobo genetics.
After Stone is killed by insurgents, Lucy is rescued by another primatologist, Jenny Lowe, who knows nothing of Lucy's peculiar parentage. Jenny brings Lucy home with her to Chicago and, when she fails to find any of Lucy's relatives, decides to adopt the 14-year-old girl.
Although some of Lucy's habits strike Jenny as odd — eating bananas without peeling them, clambering up trees, looking for termites in the floor — she initially shrugs them off as the behavior of a girl who grew up in the jungle. When she starts reading through Stone's notebooks, however, she suddenly realizes the shocking truth: Lucy is "a humanzee."
Mr. Gonzales, who is best known for such nonfiction books as "Deep Survival: Who Lives, Who Dies and Why," has done a lot of research into bonobo culture and the nonverbal communication of animals, but he doesn't manage to lend Lucy's back story even the veneer of plausibility. In comparison,
Michael
Crichton's account in "Jurassic Park" (another Frankenstein- ian novel about the wages of scientific hubris) of how dinosaurs were recreated through the use of recovered DNA reads like a report from a respected scientific journal. Not only does Mr. Gonzales fail to explain how Stone might have managed the unprecedented feat of cross-species breeding in the middle of the jungle without any real laboratory or medical facilities, but he also sidesteps the question of why Lucy's looks are so utterly human and why her bonobo genes are evident mainly in traits like her unusual physical strength and highly acute hearing.
What Mr. Gonzales does manage to do is make Lucy an appealing character — a bright, perceptive, lonely, observant adolescent, who, like many immigrants to the United States, is perplexed by the plethora of processed foods wrapped in shiny plastic, by the ubiquity of music, by the stressed-out, alienated city crowds. He makes the rapid arc of her transformation from a shy, unsure outsider into an all-American teenager thoroughly believable, as she becomes best friends with a schoolmate named Amanda, who teaches her everything from teen-speak to how to use a computer. And he also makes Jenny's hopes and fears for Lucy palpable to the reader — fears that become all too real when Lucy comes down with a form of a treatable virus that has never before been contracted by a human, and the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention insist on doing some genetic tests on her blood.
Though Team Lucy decides it should seize control of this situation and announce her real identity to the world before word leaks out from doctors or the government, matters soon start to spiral out of control: a predictable media feeding frenzy ensues, along with some vicious attacks from religious extremists who denounce Lucy as a "demon child" and the spawn of Satan.
Unfortunately, Mr. Gonzales's orchestration of these developments is increasingly hurried and perfunctory as the book hurtles along. He rushes through the momentous decision to create a YouTube video explaining Lucy's story in her own words, making the whole scenario sound thoroughly hokey, and does much the same thing with the scenes depicting Lucy's flight from home and efforts to elude a mysterious stalker who may or may not work for the government. The reader often has the sense that Mr. Gonzales is impatiently ticking off plot points on an outline, as if he were writing a movie treatment, not a novel.
To make matters worse, his depictions of Lucy's enemies — fundamentalist bigots who want to send her to a zoo; conservative politicians who want to pass a bill that would officially render her "a nonhuman animal" — grow increasingly cartoonish, to the point where any real sense of threat is removed. It seems preposterous that the United States government or its agents would throw this teenage girl into a cage on an Air Force base. And it seems equally preposterous that they would allow a Mengele-like veterinarian to perform sadistic experiments on her. No more preposterous, one might argue, than the premise that a half-ape/half- human girl could exist in the first place, but having concocted that premise,
it would seem that the job of the novelist is to try to get the reader to suspend disbelief for the story's duration.
The clever ending Mr. Gonzales has come up with for "Lucy" marks a complete departure from the "Frankenstein" template, and it's oddly satisfying on an emotional level. Even so, it's not enough to make up for all the careless writing and absurd plot shenanigans that have gone before.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59165 |
From: James |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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Google
Alert - "planet of the apes"
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Scifi Movies That Just Didnt Live up to the Hype
— SciFi Blog ...
By Sci-Fi Man
The original planet of the Apes was groundbreaking, and had a story to
tell, a lesson to teach. However I felt that the hype around the new one
wasnt necessarily bad, but when I did get round to watching it, I found a
weaker storyline, ...
SciFi Blog :
Science Fiction... - http://scifiblog.net/
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DFW CollectoRama: Conquest of the Planet of the Mego!
By Victor Medina
Since I'm posting about Planet of the Apes, here's
another YouTube video, one that I'm sure will bring back memories to some:
the awesome Mego Planet of the Apes toys. 5:30 PM |
Filed Under classic commercials, funny videos, Mego, ...
DFW
CollectoRama - http://collectoramashow.blogspot.com/
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Top 7 Creature Performers
Shockya.com
Andy will also play the lead ape Caesar the upcoming Planet of the Apes
prequel called Rise of the Apes. 1. Doug Jones - Dubbed by LA Times as the
modern ...
See all stories on this topic »
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59166 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
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Everyone please pay attention to this post -- it's kind of important.
Is anyone here unaware of the current controversy over the new Fox "Ultimate Hunter Edition" Blu-ray for the original PREDATOR?
PREDATORS comes out this weekend, so Fox has issued this new Blu-ray of the original, only it's making just about everyone who knows anything about how older movies should look on Blu-ray very unhappy.
It has me wondering if Fox may attempt the same thing next June when RISE OF THE APES comes out, and if we should start a letter writing campaign NOW to help head off any such disaster with the original PLANET OF THE APES? There's nothing I wouldn't put past Fox with this kind of thing.
Google this stuff and check it out for yourselves then check back in here with your thoughts.
I'm not going to waste any further effort at this point until I know how many here really care about this issue and would join me in such a campaign.
-- Rory
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59167 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.html> PREDATORS comes out this weekend, so Fox has issued this new Blu-ray
> of the original, only it's making just about everyone who knows
> anything about how older movies should look on Blu-ray very unhappy.
Here are some great screenshot comparisons showing how all of the
natural film grain has been obliterated from the new version:
http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/predator-blu-ray-comparison/
Hunter |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59168 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.html.html That's fantastic. I rented Predator on Bluray a few weeks ago and hated the grain on the picture.
This cleaner version looks much better. I may just even buy it.
Al
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 12:58:10 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
> PREDATORS comes out this weekend, so Fox has issued this new Blu-ray
> of the original, only it's making just about everyone who knows
> anything about how older movies should look on Blu-ray very unhappy.
Here are some great screenshot comparisons showing how all of the natural film grain has been obliterated from the new version: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/predator-blu-ray-comparison/ Hunter
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59169 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.html> That's fantastic. I rented Predator on Bluray a few weeks ago and hated the
> grain on the picture.
> This cleaner version looks much better. I may just even buy it.
Even though things look plastic-y? The original filmstock used is the
reason it was so grainy. Give me real filmstock-look to something so
overprocessed it removes all details and gives everything a plastic
sheen (in that one shot, Arnold looks very plastic and his shirt has
no texture at all; in the shot of Carl Weathers, his skin is as smooth
as a piece of plastic).
I'm glad I still have the original Blu-ray release.
Hunter |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59170 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.html.html Well, Hunter, that all depends on how you look at it.
If you watch this latest version on an HD TV you may get that effect. But if you watch it on a projection screen you'll get less of it as a projector isn't a 100% HD TV. Just a slight knotch below. Which would be perfect this latest Predator release.
Al
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 5:40:31 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
> That's fantastic. I rented Predator on Bluray a few weeks ago and hated the
> grain on the picture.
> This cleaner version looks much better. I may just even buy it.
Even though things look plastic-y? The original filmstock used is the reason it was so grainy. Give me real filmstock-look to something so overprocessed it removes all details and gives everything a plastic sheen (in that one shot, Arnold looks very plastic and his shirt has no texture at all; in the shot of Carl Weathers, his skin is as smooth as a piece of plastic). I'm glad I still have the original Blu-ray release. Hunter
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59171 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
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The same thing was said about the "Patton"
blu-ray, directed by what's his name, Schaffner somebody. I've already got a
good POTA blu-ray, so do your damnest, Fox. But if they ruin "Rocky Horror",
ooo-oh baaaa-by, I'll sue! Grain is as grain does.
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 8:17 AM
Subject: [pota] Fox Blu-ray Disaster
Everyone please pay attention to this post -- it's kind of important.
Is anyone here unaware of the current controversy over the new Fox
"Ultimate Hunter Edition" Blu-ray for the original PREDATOR?
PREDATORS comes out this weekend, so Fox has issued this new Blu-ray of the
original, only it's making just about everyone who knows anything about how
older movies should look on Blu-ray very
unhappy.
It has me wondering if Fox may attempt the same thing next June when RISE
OF THE APES comes out, and if we should start a letter writing campaign
NOW to help head off any such disaster with the original PLANET OF THE
APES? There's nothing I wouldn't put past Fox with this kind of
thing.
Google this stuff and check it out for yourselves then check back in here
with your thoughts.
I'm not going to waste any further effort at this point until I know how
many here really care about this issue and would join me in such a
campaign.
-- Rory
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59172 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: OT: "Predators" and pray |
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"Predators" producer Robert Rodriguez did an
interview where he says Fox has turned over a new leaf and are keeping hands
off. They realize too much studio interference has ruined their franchises and
they said, "Make the best movie. Just make it good and make it for the fan
base".
What kind of an upside down planet have I landed
on? Can it really be true? And what does that mean for "Rise of the Apes"? It'll
probably mean more if "Predators" is a hit. "Predators" had a year to work their
magic, the same as "Rise".
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59173 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
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Was that the band Charlie Brown was
in?
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of
the Apes prequel
What?
No one but me remembers Ian Dury & The Blockheads?
Pathetic
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59174 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.htmlThats not a good answer Alex. A television that does not give full resolution to make a rather overly sheened print look o.k. is wrong. The grain that you will now get is video grain, and thats the worse possible type of grain cause its stationary at times and larger in pixel size. The movie in general will look worse. What you want is the best and original print so that a television not up to snuff has a fighting chance. I understand your rational but the new predator print especially the far shots look washed out. Nothing wrong with cleaning up a print but they always go overboard for todays lame joe sixpack uneducated boob. Hows my spelling...Take care, John M.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Well, Hunter, that all depends on how you look at it.
> If you watch this latest version on an HD TV you may get that effect. But if you
> watch it on a projection screen you'll get less of it as a projector isn't a
> 100% HD TV. Just a slight knotch below. Which would be perfect this latest
> Predator release.
>
> Al
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59175 |
From: Kevin |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59176 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/7/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
.htmlI like Phantom of the Paradise better. John M.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The same thing was said about the "Patton" blu-ray, directed by what's his name, Schaffner somebody. I've already got a good POTA blu-ray, so do your damnest, Fox. But if they ruin "Rocky Horror", ooo-oh baaaa-by, I'll sue! Grain is as grain does.
>
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59177 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.html.html Well, I have yet to buy the new Predator Bluray, so when I do, I guess I'll be the judge of that (in my own opinion of course).
But in the meantime all I can say is the the first Predator Bluray release looked really bad. So bad I didn't even bother to see the movie. I just returned it to Netfilx. So I guess I'll find out this weekend when I buy the new Predator release.
But always remember one thing. It's always based on ones own opinion. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Al
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 9:56:32 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
Thats not a good answer Alex. A television that does not give full resolution to make a rather overly sheened print look o.k. is wrong. The grain that you will now get is video grain, and thats the worse possible type of grain cause its stationary at times and larger in pixel size. The movie in general will look worse. What you want is the best and original print so that a television not up to snuff has a fighting chance. I understand your rational but the new predator print especially the far shots look washed out. Nothing wrong with cleaning up a print but they always go overboard for todays lame joe sixpack uneducated boob. Hows my spelling...Take care, John M.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Well, Hunter, that all depends on how you look at it.
> If you watch this latest
version on an HD TV you may get that effect. But if you
> watch it on a projection screen you'll get less of it as a projector isn't a
> 100% HD TV. Just a slight knotch below. Which would be perfect this latest
> Predator release.
>
> Al
>
>
>
>
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59178 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Behind the scenes photo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59179 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
.htmlI'm off to Vancouver soon so if I get to the set at Burnaby I'll let you know....
Mark.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> July 5th is the scheduled start of production on the new "Apes" movie. Joe Jaffa confirmed Saturday on imdb that was still the case. Now, film like apes!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59180 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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Both were good...
In a message dated 7/7/2010 9:57:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:
I like
Phantom of the Paradise better. John
M. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59181 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Serkis to monkey around again in Planet of the Apes prequel |
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Hell F'in Yeah!
In a message dated 7/7/2010 9:59:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pellew@... writes:
hit me
hit me HITTT
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
KJ <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59182 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
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Yeah, that's one of mine.
Pretty sure that was an Arriflex.
Can't remember if I have the still.
I do know there's a copy in her book.
I'll see what I can dig up for you. It
may have been from Beneath though.
In a message dated 7/8/2010 5:38:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparkytb@... writes:
Does
anyone know where to find that amazing black & white publicity still from
PLANET of Kim Hunter looking into the viewfinder of a Panavision camera? I
used to have it but it's gone.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59183 |
From: PofTAfan@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
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You mean this photo.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 <sparkytb@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:34 am
Subject: [pota] Behind the scenes photo
Does anyone know where to find that amazing black & white publicity still from PLANET of Kim Hunter looking into the viewfinder of a Panavision camera? I used to have it but it's gone.
Thanks, Mark.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59184 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
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I don't seem to have the Zirorapher
pic scanned in. I'll have to dig it up.
Anyone happen to have it handy?
In a message dated 7/8/2010 5:38:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparkytb@... writes:
Does anyone know where to find that amazing black & white publicity
still from PLANET of Kim Hunter looking into the viewfinder of a Panavision
camera? I used to have it but it's gone.
Thanks,
Mark.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59185 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: OT: "Predators" and pray |
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"Predators" producer Robert Rodriguez did an interview where he says Fox has turned over a new leaf and are keeping hands off. They realize too much studio interference has ruined their franchises and they said, "Make the best movie. Just make it good and make it for the fan base".
What kind of an upside down planet have I landed on? Can it really be true? And what does that mean for "Rise of the Apes"? It'll probably mean more if "Predators" is a hit. "Predators" had a year to work their magic, the same as "Rise".
We just simply need to keep our primate fingers crossed. What else is there to do?
-- Rory
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59186 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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> That's fantastic. I rented Predator on Bluray a few weeks ago and hated the
> grain on the picture.
> This cleaner version looks much better. I may just even buy it.
Even though things look plastic-y? The original filmstock used is the
reason it was so grainy. Give me real filmstock-look to something so
overprocessed it removes all details and gives everything a plastic
sheen (in that one shot, Arnold looks very plastic and his shirt has
no texture at all; in the shot of Carl Weathers, his skin is as smooth
as a piece of plastic).
I'm glad I still have the original Blu-ray release.
Hunter
This all comes down to "when is DNR (Digital Noise Reduction) too much DNR"?
Here's the guy at The Digital Bits bitching about it:
I wanted to say a few words about 20th Century Fox's new Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition Blu-ray. Remember how last week I was ranting about how the studios are putting HD mastering and transfer quality too low on their priority lists? Well... here's a timely example of EXACTLY what I was talking about. Predator is a bit of an interesting case. Let me be perfectly clear: The new Blu-ray is an unmitigated disaster. You remember how awful Patton looked? Well, the new Predator
disc is every bit as bad. So much Digital Noise Reduction (the infamous and dreaded 'DNR') has been applied to this disc, that even the sky looks like it was molded from shinny plastic. Fox has actually managed to take a dark, gritty film and make it look like video. Not even high-def video, but old analog video. There is not a speck of grain to be seen anywhere, and hardly a speck of fine image detail either. The subtle textures of clothing, walls, hair, skin - they're nearly all gone. And Fox did this deliberately.
Why, you might be asking? I'll tell you why, and in my mind this is the even bigger travesty: Because when the first Blu-ray edition came out, a bunch of fans and reviewers in all the online A/V forums complained about the video quality. "There's too much grain! The transfer looks like crap!" Well, let me tell you... I'll take that original Blu-ray over the new one any day. It's just deeply disheartening to see a Blu-ray released with shockingly mishandled video like this. But it's even more disheartening that there are apparently so many fans online who don't seem to understand the most basic, most important thing about film restoration and mastering: A FILM SHOULD LOOK LIKE A FILM! Yes, I know that original Predator Blu-ray was full of sometimes coarse grain. But how many of those who complained about it have actually seen Predator projected in a theater? That's how the film looks, guys. That's how it looked on Day One when it hit theaters.
It's ALWAYS looked like that - dark, gritty, grainy - the result of choices in film stock and camera process made by director John McTiernan and his cinematographer. Predator does not look crisp and clean like Watchmen, and it's not meant to look like that. It was NEVER meant to look like that! In this particular case, the studio (and I'm giving them a bit of credit by recognizing this, and the fact that they have generally improved their catalog BD quality in recent months) was stuck between a rock and a hard place: They released the film on Blu-ray once, and some fanboys online freaked out that there was too much grain. So now they've responded and re-released the film on Blu-ray in a version so scrubbed to death with DNR that the film now looks like Pixar produced it. Don't believe me?
Here's a screenshot from the new Blu-ray to illustrate what I'm talking about (the screenshot was originally posted here, and all credit due to our friend Justin Sluss of HighDefDiscNews for taking it). The last time I saw the Governator's cigar-chomping mug polished up this shiny was at the Hollywood Wax Museum. His shirt is so smooth it looks like Mattel molded it for Mr. Potato Head. If you're not fully sickened by this, what kind of film fan are you? Now, if the film in question were Plastic Man, that'd be one thing. But trust me, this is NOT how Predator was EVER intended to look...
The problem here two-fold: First, too many people in both the fan community and film industry have taken Blu-ray's "look and sound of perfect" marketing far too literally. Once again, the word "perfect" with regard to Blu-ray does not and should not mean 100% sharp, crisp and completely blemish free - that everything should look like it was shot with an HD video camera yesterday. It means that the film on the disc should look as good as it did in the very best theatrical screening on Day One. If you were sitting in the director's private screening room on opening day, that's how good the film should look - THAT'S the experience that Blu-ray should work to recreate in the home.
Second, there are WAY too many fans today who came of age in a world in which DVD always existed and so they've rightly grown to love lots of great films... but without EVER having seen these films projected in an actual theater. Too many guys first experienced Predator
and similar films on late-night HBO and on DVD in the old analog TV days, and so they never actually saw all the detail - and yes, the inherent defects - that were present in the negative. Standard-definition, analog TV simply didn't have the resolution to show all the detail. So now, those fans are seeing their favorite films for the first time as they actually are, and they're freaking out. "Oh my god, look at all that noise?!" It's not just noise - it's film grain. Some of it is actually supposed to be there. And NO, it's NOT simply a matter of preference any more than colorizing a black and white film is a matter of preference. Image grain is an inherent part of what makes film look like film.
But lest you think me harsh, you should know that I'm not a hardliner for grain either. A few years ago, Home Theatre Magazine interviewed Mike Inchalik about the film restoration process at DTS Digital Images - formerly Lowry Digital. Here's what he had to say about film grain in the age of high-def discs...
Question: How much film grain is appropriate in a modern video master?
Answer: Film purists have often taken the position that film grain should never be changed. Having worked for Eastman Kodak for 25 years, I am extremely sensitive to this way of thinking and completely agree that many cinematographers use film grain as a part of their craft and make it an integral part of their storytelling. Nevertheless, I believe that the opinion that the film grain should never be altered is too sweeping a generalization.
I agree with this position - it's a balance that's required here. You know who's getting it right (aside from Criterion, of course)? Grover Crisp and his team over at Sony Pictures Home Entertainment. Here's an interview with Crisp done by our friends over at HDNation (Love you guys!) from the Blu-Con 2.0 conference last year, where he talks about some of these very issues. And now here's what director Martin Scorsese had to say about the proper presentation of films on Blu-ray from the same conference
(and the same HD Nation episode). Note his comments about the importance of grain, and how Blu-ray should work to replicate the original theatrical experience of a film. The amazing thing to me is that Scorsese and Crisp were speaking before a conference of MOSTLY studio executives, and what they were saying about Blu-ray was CRITCIALLY important! I even said so at the time, in my column here on The Bits. But it's obvious that painfully few of them seem to have been paying attention.
Look... modern audiences aren't used to seeing film grain, and modern HD display technology is capable of showing every flaw in an image. Coarse film grain can be distracting for some, and I understand that. So if grain can be reduced without compromising fine image detail and without removing so much of it that the film look is actually lost, that's one thing. But it's very subtle work and should be done by trained digital film restoration technicians with a light, careful touch. Dialing up the DNR knob to '11' and heavy-handedly stripping every bit of grain away in a process that is actually destructive not only to the film look but also to the integrity of the image is absolutely wrong and downright APPALLING. And to the extent that ANYONE - fan, digital technician or studio employee alike - thinks that's okay or a good thing, all I can say is shame on you! Sadly and predictably, there are far too many "expert" online reviewers (based on a sampling
of comments about the disc on the Net today) who clearly don't understand any of this and are all but raving about how clean and wonderful Predator now looks, and what an improvement this disc is over the original Blu-ray. Guys, you are actively undermining EVERYTHING that a lot of good film preservation people in this industry have worked so hard for over so many years. You are doing yourselves, the film, the legacy of classic, pre-digital cinema, your fellow movie fans, and the Blu-ray format as a whole a terrible, TERRIBLE disservice.
In any case, as someone who personally put their reputation on the line to see high-def discs get a chance to thrive, and to ensure that movie fans would get to enjoy the very best quality versions of their favorite films in high-definition... well, for me, seeing a disc like this is just truly depressing. After all that - after fighting for anamorphic-enhancement of DVDs and slogging through two format wars - is this REALLY "The Look and Sound of Perfect" we were fighting for? God, I hope not...
Make no mistake, the new Predator Blu-ray is a disaster. It's simply unwatchable. Compare it to the original and you will be shocked at just how much image detail has been scrubbed away. You want to see DNR, you want to see a perfect example of everything that Blu-ray SHOULDN'T be? Exhibit A: The new Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition Blu-ray. The other sad thing is that all the previous DVD extras that SHOULD have been included on the first Predator Blu-ray? They're all here... on a double-dip disc that TRUE fans of the film should want to run over with their cars. I don't mind a double-dip that really gets things right. But this isn't one of 'em.
To all of you readers of The Digital Bits who care about presentation quality and about the Blu-ray format, it's time to make some noise. Do it politely, but do it loudly and don't stop until the industry responds. Don't let those who are misinformed or apathetic decide the future of film presentation quality in this new digital age. Let the studios know that this is a HUGE problem and that your Blu-ray spending will reflect your desire for the proper A/V treatment of films on disc. And for goodness sake, PLEASE DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN to educate yourself and others as to what exactly a "perfect" quality film presentation on Blu-ray should be, and what it should really look like! This is even more important than the debate about Pan and Scan vs original aspect ratio presentation of films on DVD, or of colorization vs. original B&W presentation of vintage films on DVD, or of anamorphic enhancement of widescreen films on DVD. Demand a higher standard... or the
likes of Spartacus, Patton and Predator will become the new, all-too-easy normal on Blu-ray.
Stay tuned...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59187 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
.htmlI think there is a difference between Predator and POTA in regard to their Blu-Ray releases.
From what I read in the various reviews, is that the initial Blu-Ray release of Predator was not a good quality transfer. Now it sounds with the current release they have overcompensated.
On the other hand POTA had a very good initial Blu-Ray transfer. There is no reason for it to be redone.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Everyone please pay attention to this post -- it's kind of important.
>
> Is anyone here unaware of the current controversy over the new Fox "Ultimate Hunter Edition" Blu-ray for the original PREDATOR?
>
> PREDATORS comes out this weekend, so Fox has issued this new Blu-ray of the original, only it's making just about everyone who knows anything about how older movies should look on Blu-ray very unhappy.
>
> It has me wondering if Fox may attempt the same thing next June when RISE OF THE APES comes out, and if we should start a letter writing campaign NOW to help head off any such disaster with the original PLANET OF THE APES? There's nothing I wouldn't put past Fox with this kind of thing.
>
> Google this stuff and check it out for yourselves then check back in here with your thoughts.
>
> I'm not going to waste any further effort at this point until I know how many here really care about this issue and would join me in such a campaign.
>
> -- Rory
>
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59188 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: God's speed, "Rise of the Apes" |
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:
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> I'm off to Vancouver soon so if I get to the set at Burnaby I'll let you know....
>
> Mark.
>
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59189 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I don't want to get side-tracked here into a debate over whether or not you like excessive DNR or not, what I do want to get into is if you think PLANET deserves another go around on Blu-ray next year. As nice as PLANET's Blu-ray is, it still has problems, and we might have a chance to get Fox to revisit it for a new Special Edition next year. I especially want to petition Fox for a true 5.1 remix of PLANET's soundtrack, an isolated score, and a true audio commentary track.
I want to hear from Scott Bosco on this and what is possible and just what is likely. Not sure many here care, or are open to buying yet another Blu-ray from Fox -- not sure even Fox cares! -- but if Fox is going to do something, I want to let them know that heavy DNR on what they already got is not the answer. PLANET's picture can be improved, but not that way.
And by the way, I've never mentioned this before -- because I didn't want to discourage anyone from buying the Blu-rays --, but there's something funky with BENEATH's picture on Blu-ray. What I'm talking about are certain shots with blue sky in the background. It looks as if the picture has been heavily manipulated digitally in that the blue patches of color in the sky have a white outline around them. I can't do screen captures of Blu-rays, so I can't give an example, but if you have the Blu-ray and an HD display, check it out. I find it exceedingly annoying. I've watched BENEATH several times on Blu-ray, and these "blue sky/white outline" things are a major distraction.
-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, Jul 7, 2010 9:56 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
Thats not a good answer Alex. A television that does not give full resolution to make a rather overly sheened print look o.k. is wrong. The grain that you will now get is video grain, and thats the worse possible type of grain cause its stationary at times and larger in pixel size. The movie in general will look worse. What you want is the best and original print so that a television not up to snuff has a fighting chance. I understand your rational but the new predator print especially the far shots look washed out. Nothing wrong with cleaning up a print but they always go overboard for todays lame joe sixpack uneducated boob. Hows my spelling...Take care, John M.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59190 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
.htmlYeah, that's from BENEATH
-----Original Message-----
From: PofTAfan@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 7:37 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Behind the scenes photo
You mean this photo.
Kevin
-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 < sparkytb@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jul 8, 2010 6:34 am
Subject: [pota] Behind the scenes photo
Does anyone know where to find that amazing black & white publicity still from PLANET of Kim Hunter looking into the viewfinder of a Panavision camera? I used to have it but it's gone.
Thanks, Mark.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59191 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59192 |
From: scott bosco |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.htmlThis is only an issue with older films. Truthfully, many new films aren't even being done on actual film stock, but in hi-def video. JUMPER was one of the main studio release done this way along with others. The RED camera is heavily in use and saves money. If it's one thing that FOX does do it's looking for ways to save money. I wouldn't be surprised if RISE will be done this way. It would save enormous cost keeping everything in the digital domain from on-set, especially since they are planning on CGI apes. To make the footage look less like video a "grain filter" applied later to the footage and in this way is controllable.
The video scrubbing controversy brought to light only effects those release which were originally produced/shot on film stock. Knowing the low production values on CONQUEST and BATTLE (but especially CONQUEST) where lesser stock and some really bad cinematography was done, previous releases were haunted by some really bad film grain. The Blu-rays masters no doubt were "scrubbed" to lessen the grain - but perhaps in a lesser way than is being done on other releases. As usual too much of a good thing, and being misused is bound to happen considering how many hands are in the pot to make these thing happen. Years ago I remember how certain releases looked told who actually over saw the mastering - the color timing, and contrast values. Dealing with various tech people in different companies I become accustomed to their visual style. There was this one guy at RCA/COLUMBIA whose transfers had all actors appear to have
orange skin tones - or really bad sun burns.
Right now there an idiot out there who is heavy handed on the "scrubbing filter".
The real problem is that all these people, both techs and execs aren't suppose to be putting their personal touches on these films, but instead allow the film's own style to show, and survive.
- Scott B. --- On Wed, 7/7/10, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
From: Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>
Subject: Re: [pota] Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 12:58 PM
> PREDATORS comes out this weekend, so Fox has issued this new Blu-ray > of the original, only it's making just about everyone who knows > anything about how older movies should look on Blu-ray very unhappy. Here are some great screenshot comparisons showing how all of the natural film grain has been obliterated from the new version: http://www.avpgalaxy.net/website/articles/predator-blu-ray-comparison/Hunter
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59193 |
From: scott bosco |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.htmlThe possibility of another release of PLANET for Blu-ray is there I would think - especially to coincide with the theatrical release of RISE. It could give reason for FOX to re-promote the entire series. A final decision would be affected by how much stock is in warehouses of the current product. Too much money when into the production of the Box Set to break it down and re-package it in newer packaging. So if the number are slightly low and a re-pressing was in the near future FOX could invest in newer packaging - or even newer masters and releases.
The same would hold true for the disc only stock - they could be recalled from various distributors and the same discs could be used, as well as the blue snap cases but new artwork could be slipped in.
If the box set is seen on sale in the next few months I'd say there is hope something is in the works. I know Amazon had it drastically reduced for one day about a month ago for only $39.95 in one of those unadvertised sales.... interestingly it was then soon announced that RISE was going into production!
Producing multiple masters is a given in the business which is why one can buy a DVD and a film will look one way, then see it on a HD channel and it looks different again, and even looking yet again different on Blu-ray. Many time older masters that should have been destroyed slip through the cracks and make themselves know on cable and other channels. Some, and this has happened to FOX with ALIEN are used for home video release. (The super box laser edition of ALIEN was produced with the wrong master being used - it was still wonderful looking but an even better one was actually intended).
As FOX is re-issuing PREDATOR to cross promote the newer theatrical release the same I'm sure has been addressed for POTA. THE question is whether FOX will choose just PLANET or the series? "SEE THE FILM/FILMS THAT INSPIRED THE "RISE"!
They would be stupid NOT TO.
WE know they should, and it if only for PLANET it would allow them to fix issues they've Foxed Up too many time previous.
- Scott B. --- On Thu, 7/8/10, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote:
From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...>
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 8, 2010, 9:12 AM
I don't want to get side-tracked here into a debate over whether or not you like excessive DNR or not, what I do want to get into is if you think PLANET deserves another go around on Blu-ray next year. As nice as PLANET's Blu-ray is, it still has problems, and we might have a chance to get Fox to revisit it for a new Special Edition next year. I especially want to petition Fox for a true 5.1 remix of PLANET's soundtrack, an isolated score, and a true audio commentary track.
I want to hear from Scott Bosco on this and what is possible and just what is likely. Not sure many here care, or are open to buying yet another Blu-ray from Fox -- not sure even Fox cares! -- but if Fox is going to do something, I want to let them know that heavy DNR on what they already got is not the answer. PLANET's picture can be improved, but not that way.
And by the way, I've never mentioned this before -- because I didn't want to discourage anyone from buying the Blu-rays --, but there's something funky with BENEATH's picture on Blu-ray. What I'm talking about are certain shots with blue sky in the background. It looks as if the picture has been heavily manipulated digitally in that the blue patches of color in the sky have a white outline around them. I can't do screen captures of Blu-rays, so I can't give an example, but if you have the Blu-ray and an HD display, check it out. I find it exceedingly annoying. I've watched BENEATH several times on Blu-ray, and these "blue sky/white outline" things are a major distraction.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59194 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59195 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I had hundreds of VHS then we got video disc and Laser Disc. I
skipped video disc with the stylus but had almost 300 Laser Disc. Then we
got DVD. My three Laser Disc players died and I have been slowly replacing
my Laser Disc and some of my VHS collection with DVD. I am skipping Blu
Ray. I will get the next train. With over 2,000 movies and TV
episodes, it's just too much to re-purchase everything two or three or four
times in one lifetime.
When VHS was on the way out, I purchased four VHS machines, and I just took
one unopened one out of the closet yesterday. The one it replaced was
dying. Now I am down to one operational, and two still in the box in the
closet.
At 55 years old, how many more times will I need a new VCR? How many
more times will I have to buy POTA? I have purchased it three times
already. Twice on VHS and now once on DVD.
Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
In a message dated 7/8/2010 6:11:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:
I'm glad
I still have the original Blu-ray
release.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59196 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
.html.html I complete agree.
I was a movie theater usher back in the days when "Predator" came out. Saw it a billion times.
And I don't recall "Predator" looking that bad on the big screen. The first Predator bluray release is a terrible video transfer.
Al
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 9:15:34 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster
I think there is a difference between Predator and POTA in regard to their Blu-Ray releases.
From what I read in the various reviews, is that the initial Blu-Ray release of Predator was not a good quality transfer. Now it sounds with the current release they have overcompensated.
On the other hand POTA had a very good initial Blu-Ray transfer. There is no reason for it to be redone. <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59197 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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As FOX is re-issuing PREDATOR to cross promote the newer theatrical release the same I'm sure has been addressed for POTA. THE question is whether FOX will choose just PLANET or the series? "SEE THE FILM/FILMS THAT INSPIRED THE "RISE"!
They would be stupid NOT TO.
WE know they should, and it if only for PLANET it would allow them to fix issues they've Foxed Up too many time previous.
- Scott B.
I want to say firstly that I have no idea what Fox will do. You never know with them. I've thought in the past that they would do this or that based on what they had been doing, but then something happens with the company (Fox Video being my general term for everything going back to Magnetic Video) and titles never appear, or transfers are screwed up or, entire series of releases (Cinema Classics Collection, for instance) are suddenly dropped. So, who knows?
However, it's not unreasonable to assume Fox may do something. That something may be everything merely re-issued on Blu-ray, or that plus the TV Show also on Blu-ray, or whatever. My interest is primarily in PLANET. I doubt very much if Fox would remaster all the sequels, and put out an entirely new Blu-ray package with new extras and all the other things we've desired for years (deleted scenes, etc.). No, I think there's little hope of that. But since RISE OF THE APES is some kind of attempt to reboot the franchise, Fox might put out an "Ultimate Edition" Blu-ray of PLANET (I very much doubt they'd include the Burton 2001 disaster).
I think there's reason for it. The Blu-ray picture transfer is good, but not perfect and could stand the kind of attention the '60s "James Bond" movies have gotten on Blu-ray. I've attached a sample of the last image from PLANET taken from the Blu-ray (which I lifted from the DVDBeaver website) and have pasted together with the same image from the standard anamorphic DVD. I've done nothing to these images other than size them to scale for comparison. While the Blu-ray image is sharper than the standard DVD it's also rather annoyingly flatter and less saturated. I'm not saying the standard DVD image is the way it should look in terms of contrast and color, but it does become more obvious that the Blu-ray image could use further adjustment. This is just one example of short comings with the transfer.
The PLANET blu-ray's biggest problem is it's less than stellar 5.1 remix, which could -- if Fox wanted to spend the money doing it -- be much improved. In fact, that's the biggest reason I wish Fox would revisit the thing. This is actually why I'm bring this all up in the first place.
-- Rory
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Message: 59198 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I had hundreds of VHS then we got video disc and Laser Disc. I skipped video disc with the stylus but had almost 300 Laser Disc. Then we got DVD. My three Laser Disc players died and I have been slowly replacing my Laser Disc and some of my VHS collection with DVD. I am skipping Blu Ray. I will get the next train. With over 2,000 movies and TV episodes, it's just too much to re-purchase everything two or three or four times in one lifetime.
When VHS was on the way out, I purchased four VHS machines, and I just took one unopened one out of the closet yesterday. The one it replaced was dying. Now I am down to one operational, and two still in the box in the closet.
At 55 years old, how many more times will I need a new VCR? How many more times will I have to buy POTA? I have purchased it three times already. Twice on VHS and now once on DVD.
I have a similar story, except that I threw out everything I had on VHS and laserdisc. Watching standard NTSC is something I now have zero interest in and those cassettes and giant discs just took up to much space. I no longer even own a VCR much less a laserdisc player.
I know it's crazy switching over to Blu-rays, but I've learned to become more selective (and very glad there's a Netflix).
So, I feel your pain, but when it comes to PLANET... I'm insane.
-- Rory
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Message: 59199 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I agree its all personel and subjective, especially in high end audio. Video is a little different because the quality of film or video can be quantified and measured and its visual and machines are around to calibrate a television to the right specs and if its correct thats it. A persons taste might not like a callibrated television, but a properly set up video presentation is possible today and taste has nothing to do with it. Audio is a little different in one big respect in that an ear is trained or learned to know what to listen for and their are many many types of parameters to audio. Frequency response and wattage mean almost nothing in the search for quality. In fact some of the poorest tested audio products sound magnificent and the ones with perfect specs sound dry and lifeless. Also many people do not know what instuments in real space sounds like. Its true for Audio more than Video where subjectivity comes into the equation. Alex, Im sure
your setup is great but dont be fooled and if you can afford it get your projection set callibrated, you wont be sorry..your friend John M.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I have yet to buy the new Predator Bluray, so when I do, I guess I'll be
> the judge of that (in my own opinion of course).
> But in the meantime all I can say is the the first Predator Bluray release
> looked really bad. So bad I didn't even bother to see the movie. I just returned
> it to Netfilx. So I guess I'll find out this weekend when I buy the new Predator
> release.
>
> But always remember one thing. It's always based on ones own opinion. Nothing
> more. Nothing less.
>
> Al
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Message: 59200 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I think there is a difference between Predator and POTA in regard to
> their Blu-Ray releases.
>
> From what I read in the various reviews, is that the initial Blu-Ray
> release of Predator was not a good quality transfer. Now it sounds with
> the current release they have overcompensated.
>
> On the other hand POTA had a very good initial Blu-Ray transfer. There
> is no reason for it to be redone.
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Message: 59201 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
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I complete agree.
I was a movie theater usher back in the days when "Predator" came out. Saw it a billion times.
And I don't recall "Predator" looking that bad on the big screen. The first Predator bluray release is a terrible video transfer.
Al
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@aol. com>
To: pota@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 9:15:34 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster
I think there is a difference between Predator and POTA in regard to their Blu-Ray releases.
From what I read in the various reviews, is that the initial Blu-Ray release of Predator was not a good quality transfer. Now it sounds with the current release they have overcompensated.
On the other hand POTA had a very good initial Blu-Ray transfer. There is no reason for it to be redone.
Well, I just supplied one reason -- the famous final shot.
-- Rory
P.S.
I'd rent this new edition of PREDATOR on Blu-ray from Netflix, but I've seen that movie enough for now. Going to the new one tomorrow, which I'm only hoping I'll find OK. Not expecting much.
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Message: 59202 |
From: JohnM conquest-idor |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
.htmlIf Fox could find(Im sure its right under their nose) the pre credit scene of Conquest and find or do something better with the sound elements then a new box set or individual movies would be great. If "Rise" really is a Conquest reboot then Conquest should be featured along with the original Planet. John M.
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> The possibility of another release of PLANET for Blu-ray is there I would think - especially to coincide with the theatrical release of RISE. It could give reason for FOX to re-promote the entire series. A final decision would be affected by how much stock is in warehouses of the current product. Too much money when into the production of the Box Set to break it down and re-package it in newer packaging. So if the number are slightly low and a re-pressing was in the near future FOX could invest in newer packaging - or even newer masters and releases.
> The same would hold true for the disc only stock - they could be recalled from various distributors and the same discs could be used, as well as the blue snap cases but new artwork could be slipped in.
> If the box set is seen on sale in the next few months I'd say there is hope something is in the works. I know Amazon had it drastically reduced for one day about a month ago for only $39.95 in one of those unadvertised sales.... interestingly it was then soon announced that RISE was going into production!
> Producing multiple masters is a given in the business which is why one can buy a DVD and a film will look one way, then see it on a HD channel and it looks different again, and even looking yet again different on Blu-ray. Many time older masters that should have been destroyed slip through the cracks and make themselves know on cable and other channels. Some, and this has happened to FOX with ALIEN are used for home video release. (The super box laser edition of ALIEN was produced with the wrong master being used - it was still wonderful looking but an even better one was actually intended).
> As FOX is re-issuing PREDATOR to cross promote the newer theatrical release the same I'm sure has been addressed for POTA. THE question is whether FOX will choose just PLANET or the series? "SEE THE FILM/FILMS THAT INSPIRED THE "RISE"!
> They would be stupid NOT TO.
> WE know they should, and it if only for PLANET it would allow them to fix issues they've Foxed Up too many time previous.
> - Scott B.
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Message: 59203 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I got rid of the laser discs, I am gradually replacing the VHS, but it
takes a long time to replace them when you have a thousand + - .
I got the extra VCRs so that I could watch the VHS until either they are
all replaced.
Over time I have been giving away my VHS tapes to friends who still use
them.
Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
In a message dated 7/8/2010 3:55:37 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:
I have a similar story, except that I threw out everything I had on VHS
and laserdisc. Watching standard NTSC is something I now have zero
interest in and those cassettes and giant discs just took up to much
space. I no longer even own a VCR much less a laserdisc player.
I know it's crazy switching over to Blu-rays, but I've learned to become
more selective (and very glad there's a Netflix).
So, I feel your pain, but when it comes to PLANET... I'm insane.
--
Rory
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Message: 59204 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
.html.html I looked into Netflix but they don't have the new addition yet. And $14.99 at Best Buy it won't make me bankrupt so I'm picking up tonight to enjoy over the weekend. And although I haven't seen it yet, just buy the screen captures I know for a fact it's going to look a lot better than the first release.
In my own opinion of course. :o)
Al
From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 6:23:57 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster
Well, I just supplied one reason -- the famous final shot.
-- Rory
P.S.
I'd rent this new edition of PREDATOR on Blu-ray from Netflix, but I've seen that movie enough for now. Going to the new one tomorrow, which I'm only hoping I'll find OK. Not expecting much.
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Message: 59205 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I would buy the original POTA again on blu-ray if
they released all the extras (Edward G. makeup test, "Behind", the outtakes) in
HD. Other than that I can't imagine why I'd get it again. I'm not even sure I'd
get it if they released those unreleased scenes (Nova pregnant, etc.).
Probably when "Rise" is released they'll just make the blu-ray set easy to get
in stores again.
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:12 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
I don't want to get
side-tracked here into a debate over whether or not you like excessive DNR or
not, what I do want to get into is if you think PLANET deserves another go
around on Blu-ray next year. As nice as PLANET's Blu-ray is, it still has
problems, and we might have a chance to get Fox to revisit it for a new Special
Edition next year. I especially want to petition Fox for a true 5.1 remix
of PLANET's soundtrack, an isolated score, and a true audio commentary
track.
I want to hear from Scott Bosco on this and what is possible and just what
is likely. Not sure many here care, or are open to buying yet another
Blu-ray from Fox -- not sure even Fox cares! -- but if Fox is going to do
something, I want to let them know that heavy DNR on what they already got is
not the answer. PLANET's picture can be improved, but not that way.
And by the way, I've never mentioned this before -- because I didn't want
to discourage anyone from buying the Blu-rays --, but there's something funky
with BENEATH's picture on Blu-ray. What I'm talking about are certain
shots with blue sky in the background. It looks as if the picture has been
heavily manipulated digitally in that the blue patches of color in the sky have
a white outline around them. I can't do screen captures of Blu-rays, so I
can't give an example, but if you have the Blu-ray and an HD display, check it
out. I find it exceedingly annoying. I've watched BENEATH several
times on Blu-ray, and these "blue sky/white outline" things are a major
distraction.
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Message: 59206 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
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I think they just slapped "Predator" on blu-ray
from the DVD version. A lot of the studios did that in the early days. This new
"Predator" is the equivalent of the POTA blu-ray set.
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster
I complete agree.
I was a movie theater usher back in the days when "Predator" came out.
Saw it a billion times.
And I don't recall "Predator" looking that bad on the big screen. The first
Predator bluray release is a terrible video transfer.
Al <.html |
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Message: 59207 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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Blu-ray doesn't mean you have to rebuy
"everything". I think you'll find the DVDs you already have will look
better through the blu-ray player. And then you can just buy the few absolute
favorites on blu-ray, checking reviews online as to which ones are worth
it.
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT)
I had hundreds of VHS then we got video disc and Laser Disc. I
skipped video disc with the stylus but had almost 300 Laser Disc. Then we
got DVD. My three Laser Disc players died and I have been slowly replacing
my Laser Disc and some of my VHS collection with DVD. I am skipping Blu
Ray. I will get the next train. With over 2,000 movies and TV
episodes, it's just too much to re-purchase everything two or three or four
times in one lifetime.
When VHS was on the way out, I purchased four VHS machines, and I just took
one unopened one out of the closet yesterday. The one it replaced was
dying. Now I am down to one operational, and two still in the box in the
closet.
At 55 years old, how many more times will I need a new VCR? How many
more times will I have to buy POTA? I have purchased it three times
already. Twice on VHS and now once on DVD.
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Message: 59208 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/8/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I understand that the DVDs will look better on a Blu-ray player. I
just don't think it will be that long before we get something else and I will
buy that.
Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
In a message dated 7/8/2010 7:18:55 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:
I am
skipping Blu Ray. I will get the next
train. <.html
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Message: 59209 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
.html.html You are correct, sir. :o)
Here's two reviews from Best Buy customers:
Some of the reviews of this second Predator Blu ray have not been so good. Some complaints of waxy figures playing the part and digital noise reduction. Before making this purchase I watched my old DVD version and decided to give it a shot. I had avoided the first Blu Ray based on reviews of heavy grain. This movie may not have the gritty grainy look that it did when it first hit the theaters but to me it looks even better. Grain in minimal and colors pop like never before. I recommend the upgrade if you are still holding onto the DVD.
I have to say first of all the the new transfer looks amazing. I have around 40+ blu rays and this one has to be one of the best ones for clarity, the picture is crystal clear. After hearing all the bad press about the previous version of film having a DVD quality video I was slow to buy this but I'm now very pleased.
And for only $14.99?
All I have to say is... SOLD! :o)
Al
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 8, 2010 9:53:02 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster
I think they just slapped "Predator" on blu-ray from the DVD version. A lot of the studios did that in the early days. This new "Predator" is the equivalent of the POTA blu-ray set.
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 1:12 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster
I complete agree.
I was a movie theater usher back in the days when "Predator" came out. Saw it a billion times.
And I don't recall "Predator" looking that bad on the big screen. The first Predator bluray release is a terrible video transfer.
Al
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Message: 59210 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I will make my own transfers until they decide to do it right!
In a message dated 7/8/2010 9:14:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
mcreek25@... writes:
I got the extra VCRs so that I could watch the VHS until either they are
all replaced.
Over time I have been giving away my VHS tapes to friends who still use
them. <.html
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Message: 59211 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
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Thought so.
In a message dated 7/8/2010 8:37:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:
Yeah, that's from
BENEATH <.html
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Message: 59212 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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That's just sad. I was given a private tour
of a transfer house in Hollywood. They took
painstaking care to make sure every transfer
was perfect. Every reel of film was given the
White Glove treatment. And now they aren't
even using the print? That's just plain sad.
In a message dated 7/8/2010 9:21:15 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
digitalcinema@... writes:
This
is only an issue with older films. Truthfully, many new films aren't
even being done on actual film stock, but in hi-def video.
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Message: 59213 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Behind the scenes photo |
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Thought so.
In a message dated 7/8/2010 11:15:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
sparkytb@... writes:
Thanks
guys. And thanks to my mate Dave Ballard for e-mailing it directly. And yes,
it is an old Arri, not Panaflex. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59214 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Ape City Chronicles |
.htmlAnother week and another new installement of APE CITY CHRONICLES is now available.
To access click on the banner on the Yahoo home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Visit all the Group's special features including:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59215 |
From: James |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59216 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster |
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I think they just slapped "Predator" on blu-ray from the DVD version. A lot of the studios did that in the early days. This new "Predator" is the equivalent of the POTA blu-ray set.
You're probably right, the original PREDATOR Blu-ray was just an "upscaled" version of the transfer they used for the first DVD or even the laserdisc. But, this new version is being called a disaster by those who know what they're talking about. Now, of course these same people also talk about how awful the PATTON Blu-ray is, which I own and I think looks just fine, but when I look at the screen closely and imagine it blown up to a 100" projection or more, I can see why others would be upset. I have now doubt the New PREDATOR Blu-ray will be yet another video wet dream for Alex, but you know, for me, I've never been a big PREDATOR fan. It was OK in its day, a good action picture, but rather thin as Sci-Fi, so if Fox had never tried to milk it as they have (For Fox, what else would you expect?), I'd barely pay it much attention today. I don't have it in my DVD collection even.
So, in and of itself, I'm not upset over this new Blu-ray, but I wish Fox would not do these excessive DNR transfers and I feel I have to let them know that on principal it's not something I wish to pay money for. If the thing is grainy, it's grainy. Thankfully, PLANET isn't that grainy, but I'll bet there's some DNR in the PLANET transfer, and I've already mentioned problems with BENEATH. There's always room for improvement in these things and I think it's important that we, the consumers, let Fox, the creators of the product, know when we're not happy or just concerned. Most likely Fox will just re-issue what they've already done with APES on Blu-ray, but they may have a PLANET "DeLuxe Edition" Blu-ray in mind. Who knows? With improved stereo surround? That's an idea I'd like to put in their heads.
-- Rory
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Message: 59217 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: Fox Blu-ray Disaster (OT) |
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I understand that the DVDs will look better on a Blu-ray player. I just don't think it will be that long before we get something else and I will buy that.
I don't think there's going to be "something else" for at least another decade. Everyone is just now getting used to the 1080p universe. If suddenly now there's a 2000p or 3000p something that makes all their brand new big screen monitors and projectors obsolete, it'll piss everybody off. There's talk of how it'll all eventually be downloads to some kind of DVR black box like thing, but the compression inherent in such downloads will keep them inferior to uncompressed sources, and I think it'll be a while yet before you can download an entirely uncompressed movie into your home -- not sure the studios even want that because of piracy.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59218 |
From: Tim "apefan" |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 ! |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59219 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: (OT) Predators |
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original, this one is just more of the same and it's not very
interesting. I got bored very quickly and stayed that way until the
end. I can only pray that Fox has greenlit a much better script for
RISE OF THE APES than they did with this, and they better plan on
superior CGI than what this film has got. Also, the music for this,
while not bad, sounded so much like someone trying to channel
Goldsmith's ALIEN score that I couldn't wait for the thing to get over
with.
Alex will love it, but I recommend waiting for the Blu-ray/DVD or
better yet, just get that DNR overscrubbed thing from Fox. <.html
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Message: 59220 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: Re: (OT) Predators |
.html.html As long as it's entertaining, I will enjoy it.
I don't get too complicated over movies. :o)
Al
From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 5:25:16 PM
Subject: [pota] (OT) Predators
Just saw it. Pretty much a waste of time. This was done best with the
original, this one is just more of the same and it's not very
interesting. I got bored very quickly and stayed that way until the
end. I can only pray that Fox has greenlit a much better script for
RISE OF THE APES than they did with this, and they better plan on
superior CGI than what this film has got. Also, the music for this,
while not bad, sounded so much like someone trying to channel
Goldsmith's ALIEN score that I couldn't wait for the thing to get over
with.
Alex will love it, but I recommend waiting for the Blu-ray/DVD or
better yet, just get that DNR overscrubbed thing from Fox.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59221 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/9/2010 |
| Subject: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
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This new POTA has had a lot of ups and downs.
From "POTA: Genesis" to "Caesar" to the current title "Rise of the Apes", the
question on everybody's mind has been: who will play Girl # 1? Well, now we have
the answer and the role is in capable hands. She will be played by Leah Gibson
(no relation to Mel Gibson), a Vancouver actress whose current film is none
other than "Twilight: Eclipse" (does she play Vampiress # 3? No, her character
is called Nettie). Maybe the box office magic will rub off.
Good for you Leah. Now all we can do is wait for
the announcement of who will play Girl # 2. If there's a 1 there's got to be a
2, right?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59222 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 ! |
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Why does the poster for King Kong vs Godzilla
have Godzilla fighting Mecha Godzilla and not Kin Kong?
In a message dated 7/9/2010 4:48:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
apefan23@... writes:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59223 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
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This new POTA has had a lot of ups and downs. From "POTA: Genesis" to "Caesar" to the current title "Rise of the Apes", the question on everybody's mind has been: who will play Girl # 1? Well, now we have the answer and the role is in capable hands. She will be played by Leah Gibson (no relation to Mel Gibson), a Vancouver actress whose current film is none other than "Twilight: Eclipse" (does she play Vampiress # 3? No, her character is called Nettie). Maybe the box office magic will rub off.
Good for you Leah. Now all we can do is wait for the announcement of who will play Girl # 2. If there's a 1 there's got to be a 2, right?
This message is #2.
Veetus, wake me when you know the name of the key grip and the catering company.
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Message: 59224 |
From: LordTZer0@AOL.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
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Mel Gibson...Set up by Russian Hooker?
Thoughts? Does it even matter? About
as much as her fake boobs apparently.
Didn't seem stop him at the time. And
this guy owns a church? He must
have them working over time on
just himself. Mel! You're like
a billionaire! Hire a driver or
live in a bar! And doesn't he
have like 10 kids already?
What? It's against you
religion to get wear a
condom or get a
vasectomy, but
cheating isn't?
In a message dated 7/9/2010 8:51:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:
She
will be played by Leah Gibson (no relation to Mel
Gibson <.html
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Message: 59225 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
.html.html Here's another casting call:
Having completed a seven-episode appearance on ABC's "V" last season, actor David Richmond-Peck has starred in a short film for his wife (Kelly-Ruth Mercier), and is preparing to take on Rise of the Apes next.
According to Canwest News Service, "The short film was a chance to build the acting muscles between those jobs. In the short film, Richmond-Peck has to film multiple versions of ech scene, as his character watches past versions of himself. 'I'm basically doing the scenes with myself and it's difficult to keep track of where exactly I am,' he says. 'Technically, the challenge is making sure that I'm able to know where exactly those eyelines are.'"
It's unclear what role that Richmond-Peck, who also had a supporting part in the remake of The Day the Earth Stood Still, will be playing in Rise of the Apes. Canwest refers to it as a supporting role.
Al
From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 11:49:13 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast!
This new POTA has had a lot of ups and downs. From "POTA: Genesis" to "Caesar" to the current title "Rise of the Apes", the question on everybody's mind has been: who will play Girl # 1? Well, now we have the answer and the role is in capable hands. She will be played by Leah Gibson (no relation to Mel Gibson), a Vancouver actress whose current film is none other than "Twilight: Eclipse" (does she play Vampiress # 3? No, her character is called Nettie). Maybe the box office magic will rub off.
Good for you Leah. Now all we can do is wait for the announcement of who will play Girl # 2. If there's a 1 there's got to be a 2, right?
This message is #2.
Veetus, wake me when you know the name of the key grip and the catering company.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59226 |
From: James |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 59227 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
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"Rise of the Apes" Productions...the mark of
quality. (with apologies to "Ed Wood").
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is
cast!
Here's another casting call:
Having completed a seven-episode
appearance on ABC's "V" last season, actor David Richmond-Peck has starred in a
short film for his wife (Kelly-Ruth Mercier), and is preparing to take on Rise
of the Apes next.
According to Canwest News Service,
"The short film was a chance to build the acting muscles between those jobs. In
the short film, Richmond-Peck has to film multiple versions of ech scene, as his
character watches past versions of himself. 'I'm basically doing the scenes with
myself and it's difficult to keep track of where exactly I am,' he says.
'Technically, the challenge is making sure that I'm able to know where exactly
those eyelines are.'"
It's unclear what role that Richmond-Peck, who
also had a supporting part in the remake of The Day the Earth Stood
Still, will be playing in Rise of the Apes. Canwest refers to it as a supporting
role.
Al
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59228 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is cast! |
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Oh, him. For those who have seen the remake of
"Day the Earth Stood Still" (also shot in Vancouver) he's the guy who gave the
polygraph test to Keanu Reeves. Welcome aboard!
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:45 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: all "Rise": Girl # 1 is
cast!
Here's another casting call:
Having completed a seven-episode
appearance on ABC's "V" last season, actor David Richmond-Peck has starred in a
short film for his wife (Kelly-Ruth Mercier), and is preparing to take on Rise
of the Apes next.
According to Canwest News Service,
"The short film was a chance to build the acting muscles between those jobs. In
the short film, Richmond-Peck has to film multiple versions of ech scene, as his
character watches past versions of himself. 'I'm basically doing the scenes with
myself and it's difficult to keep track of where exactly I am,' he says.
'Technically, the challenge is making sure that I'm able to know where exactly
those eyelines are.'"
It's unclear what role that Richmond-Peck, who
also had a supporting part in the remake of The Day the Earth Stood
Still, will be playing in Rise of the Apes. Canwest refers to it as a supporting
role.
Al
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59229 |
From: William Burge |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: planet tee shirt |
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| dear group, found a planet tee shirt design on ebay also found a trade ad for beneath 1970 on ebay. enjoy from william burge |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59230 |
From: Eric |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: A question for everyone |
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I want to subscribe but I would like some input/advice from everyone else first. Is there really anything new with these magazines? Is it just fan fiction? Is it good fan fiction? etc. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59231 |
From: mcreek25@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: OT |
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Mel Gibson does not own a church, he is a conservative Catholic
Christian.
Like all of us he commits sins and being a public figure his get
more publicity then yours or mine would get.
He is an alcoholic, apparently, and when people are drunk they say and do
stupid things they would never say or do otherwise.
His wife and all his children are the real victims in this incident.
Mike "Bunkermeister" Creek
bunkermeister.blogspot.com
sgtsays.blogspot.com
hystericalrightwing.blogspot.com
In a message dated 7/10/2010 3:07:12 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:
Mel Gibson...Set up by Russian Hooker?
Thoughts? Does it even matter? About
as much as her fake boobs apparently.
Didn't seem stop him at the time. And
this guy owns a church? He must
have them working over time on
just himself. Mel! You're like
a billionaire! Hire a driver or
live in a bar! And doesn't he
have like 10 kids already?
What? It's against you
religion to get wear a
condom or get a
vasectomy, but
cheating
isn't? <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59232 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: planet tee shirt [2 Attachments] |
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| dear group, found a planet tee shirt design on ebay also found a trade ad for beneath 1970 on ebay. enjoy from william burge |
That BENEATH trade ad is very interesting. I've never seen the comparison with PLANET before. How it must have shocked Fox when they realized they had as big a hit with BENEATH as they did with PLANET -- NOW IF ONLY THEY'D SPENT THE TIME AND MONEY TO GET A BETTER SCRIPT AND DIRECTOR AND GET HESTON BACK TO STAR IN IT!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! OH, WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN?!!!! Now do you understand why I find watching BENEATH so annoying?
Oh, well.....
-- Rory
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59233 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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This reminds me.... With the new movie coming, maybe it's time to start "suggesting" things to Sideshow?
Also, James, take note the article says: "A 'prequel' to the 1968 movie Planet of the Apes has begun shooting in Vancouver. ..."
Now, would that paper lie?
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From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: POTA Group <Pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 8:33 am
Subject: [pota] FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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| Group: pota |
Message: 59234 |
From: Haristas@aol.com |
Date: 7/10/2010 |
| Subject: Re: POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 ! |
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Why? Because somebody goofed. Hey, they're only human.
I wonder what they'll be showing? My bet is on just a 16mm pan&scan print of PLANET, but if you're lucky (whoever you are that's going?) they'll be projecting the DVD or Blu-ray. Doubtful though.
-- Rory
-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Jul 10, 2010 4:53 am
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA showing in Coney Island NY tomorrow July 10 !
Why does the poster for King Kong vs Godzilla
have Godzilla fighting Mecha Godzilla and not Kin Kong?
In a message dated 7/9/2010 4:48:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@yahoo. com writes:
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