On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 4:52 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Very cool Bruce! Thanks for sharing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> Here's some TV Guide/newspaper clippings from the 70's I found in a
> envelope in my room. There's also a long Roddy article I'll put in another email.
> Bruce
>

*** Isn't he supposed to be a Gorilla? Although maybe he's not, since there
that issue cover of a buckskin wearing chimp... ***



In a message dated 1/3/2011 7:35:15 AM Central Standard Time,
teddypawpad@... writes:

> Can anyone help me remember what kind of ape
> Gunpowder Julius is?

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> *** Isn't he supposed to be a Gorilla? Although maybe he's not, since there
> that issue cover of a buckskin wearing chimp... ***
>
>
>
>

Chimps can be rough looking in their own right, and the cover
depicted them for the part well. But the story art seems to
indicate otherwise. I keep concluding in my mind he's a
gorilla.

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Gunpowder Julius is definitely a Gorilla.    Zach            -------Original Message-------   From: Pawfan Date: 01/03/11 19:54:15 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: "A Riverboat Named Simian!" from Stan Lee Presents: POTA     --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote: > > *** Isn't he supposed to be a Gorilla? Although maybe he's not, since there > that issue cover of a buckskin wearing chimp... *** > > > > Chimps can be rough looking in their own right, and the cover depicted them for the part well. But the story art seems to indicate otherwise. I keep concluding in my mind he's a gorilla.

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I would like to think that he's a gorilla. There has to be at least one good one out there.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Pawfan" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > *** Isn't he supposed to be a Gorilla? Although maybe he's not, since there
> > that issue cover of a buckskin wearing chimp... ***
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Chimps can be rough looking in their own right, and the cover
> depicted them for the part well. But the story art seems to
> indicate otherwise. I keep concluding in my mind he's a
> gorilla.
>

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According to someone at imdb, Fox is looking to graphic design students for fresh ideas on how to market "Rise of the Apes". No wonder there's no poster yet.

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur8677777/boards/profile/

I thought the same exact thing. Not only the picture but the sound seemed alittle more dynamic and correct. The theme credit music was also the more lively version with a little more impact just as the title "Planet of the Apes" dissapears. Their were two versions of the theme on LP and they were slightly different..This could of been the newer version by that company.
Watching Beneath now and it seems to have the cleaner Planet ending with better video and less noise and color vertical ringing. Maybe my imagination but so far everything seems better...Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Another thing I wanted to add was that I think this transfer on Cinemax may -- and I only suspect this -- reflect the recent restoration work done by Blackmagic-Design. The entire film looked incredibly clean. I've been comparing it this morning with the Encore letterboxed HD transfer and it's not the same print. Not only did the newer transfer look very clean, but the colors were brighter and the image overall was brighter. In fact, I thought the film looked too bright and if I had to only watch this I'd be turning the brightness down.
>
> I'll probably have more to say after I compared it to the Blu-ray, but I strongly suspect this is the new restoration and will be coming on Blu-ray later this year.
>
> I wonder if Alex DVR'ed this and has looked at it?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: haristas <haristas@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 7:50 am
> Subject: POTA on Cinemax
>
>
>
> Did anyone else see PLANET on Cinemax yesterday?
>
> Unlike Encore's HD telecast in 2009, which was fully letterboxed, Cinemax's showing started out letterboxed but as soon as the titles ended it became 16X9 pan&scan. 16X9 pan&scan is better than 4:3 pan&scan, but it's still cropping the movie. (When they showed the "Earth Time," the cropping actually panned a little.) However, this is the first time I've seen an offical HD 16X9 transfer of PLANET (which you can do with the Blu-rays simply by using your monitor's zoom feature -- though you can't pan anything), so it was interesting.
>
> I'm sure this will be the case for all the sequels
>

All the audio problems with Beneath are not their. Damn Fox, Damn them....Im vindicated anyway. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Another thing I wanted to add was that I think this transfer on Cinemax may -- and I only suspect this -- reflect the recent restoration work done by Blackmagic-Design. The entire film looked incredibly clean. I've been comparing it this morning with the Encore letterboxed HD transfer and it's not the same print. Not only did the newer transfer look very clean, but the colors were brighter and the image overall was brighter. In fact, I thought the film looked too bright and if I had to only watch this I'd be turning the brightness down.
>
> I'll probably have more to say after I compared it to the Blu-ray, but I strongly suspect this is the new restoration and will be coming on Blu-ray later this year.
>
> I wonder if Alex DVR'ed this and has looked at it?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: haristas <haristas@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 7:50 am
> Subject: POTA on Cinemax
>
>
>
> Did anyone else see PLANET on Cinemax yesterday?
>
> Unlike Encore's HD telecast in 2009, which was fully letterboxed, Cinemax's showing started out letterboxed but as soon as the titles ended it became 16X9 pan&scan. 16X9 pan&scan is better than 4:3 pan&scan, but it's still cropping the movie. (When they showed the "Earth Time," the cropping actually panned a little.) However, this is the first time I've seen an offical HD 16X9 transfer of PLANET (which you can do with the Blu-rays simply by using your monitor's zoom feature -- though you can't pan anything), so it was interesting.
>
> I'm sure this will be the case for all the sequels
>

Well im not going crazy, Beneath has the proper sound and sound effects when the chimps protest and it was great to hear it correct in over 25 years. This was my argument with Bart Pierce back in 1991 when Max played the Apes movies correct and coundnt give us a decent lasrdisc.
Its very possible that these versions are the ones from 1990-91 and who knows. But deffinenitly Beneath was perfect with the sound...amazing. Not even the Blu ray has it correct. Im pissed...John M. pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> Another thing I wanted to add was that I think this transfer on Cinemax may -- and I only suspect this -- reflect the recent restoration work done by Blackmagic-Design. The entire film looked incredibly clean. I've been comparing it this morning with the Encore letterboxed HD transfer and it's not the same print. Not only did the newer transfer look very clean, but the colors were brighter and the image overall was brighter. In fact, I thought the film looked too bright and if I had to only watch this I'd be turning the brightness down.
>
> I'll probably have more to say after I compared it to the Blu-ray, but I strongly suspect this is the new restoration and will be coming on Blu-ray later this year.
>
> I wonder if Alex DVR'ed this and has looked at it?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: haristas <haristas@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 7:50 am
> Subject: POTA on Cinemax
>
>
>
> Did anyone else see PLANET on Cinemax yesterday?
>
> Unlike Encore's HD telecast in 2009, which was fully letterboxed, Cinemax's showing started out letterboxed but as soon as the titles ended it became 16X9 pan&scan. 16X9 pan&scan is better than 4:3 pan&scan, but it's still cropping the movie. (When they showed the "Earth Time," the cropping actually panned a little.) However, this is the first time I've seen an offical HD 16X9 transfer of PLANET (which you can do with the Blu-rays simply by using your monitor's zoom feature -- though you can't pan anything), so it was interesting.
>
> I'm sure this will be the case for all the sequels
>

*** Well, there were a few "good ones" out there, if you're including the
TV series and not just the TERROR story... Neither Zako from "The Trap" or
Perdix from "The Deception" are your stereotypical "bad" gorillas... Even Urko
isn't as "black and white" bad as some might think, there's reasons for
some of his actions... ***



In a message dated 1/4/2011 10:05:55 AM Central Standard Time,
ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

> I would like to think that he's (Gunpowder Julius) a gorilla. There has
> to be at least one good one out there.
>

Mono is fine if its good and original. Like I said all the audio problems from Ursus speech, chimp protest, Lawgiver sound, and many other sounds are all correct. This is BETTER than the Blu-ray...John M>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Watching it right now. Like PLANET yesterday, started out letterboxed then switched to 16X9 pan&scan after titles. Image looks as good as BENEATH always has, probably the same transfer used on the Blu-ray.
>
> But, major disappointment -- it's in mono!
>
> The story will probably be the same for the other sequels this week. I doubt I'll keep this stuff stored on my DVR. Better to watch the Blu-rays.
>
> -- Rory
>

Agreed. Zako and Perdix are more three-dimensional than the films' gorillas tended to be. There's also Moravius from "Terror," Jovan from "Evolution's Nightmare," Julius from "The Forbidden Zone," Krull from the Burton film, and Mungwort from the animated series novelizations, all of whom are not your typical gorillas.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Well, there were a few "good ones" out there, if you're including the
> TV series and not just the TERROR story... Neither Zako from "The Trap" or
> Perdix from "The Deception" are your stereotypical "bad" gorillas... Even Urko
> isn't as "black and white" bad as some might think, there's reasons for
> some of his actions... ***
>
>

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http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2011/01/04/16758021.html"

 

 

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I've often wondered is Beneath's sound problems in various home video versions were caused by them trying to convert the mono soundtrack to stereo.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
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> Mono is fine if its good and original. Like I said all the audio problems from Ursus speech, chimp protest, Lawgiver sound, and many other sounds are all correct. This is BETTER than the Blu-ray...John M>
>

Looks to me like FOX is trying to get good ideas cheaply.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> According to someone at imdb, Fox is looking to graphic design students for fresh ideas on how to market "Rise of the Apes". No wonder there's no poster yet.
>
> http://www.imdb.com/user/ur8677777/boards/profile/
>

That is a shame. Soon no one from the original films will be left.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
>
> _http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2011/01/04/16758021.html
> (http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2011/01/04/16758021.html
>

According to the Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes, GJ is a gorilla.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Pawfan" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
> Got a question....In the 1975 V1,#4 comic magazine under
> the story arc,...Can anyone help me remember what kind of ape
> Gunpowder Julius is? I was trying to discribe him to another
> Apesfan and wasn't at the time where Gunpowder Julius fit in
> or type of character he was....Just in case, someone wants to
> do a recreation of him as a costume.
>

Hi James, The audio problems with Beneath started with the playhouse videos of 1985. The effects track was off, sounds were missing, etc, etc... I did not care to complain yet because I was a laserdisc man and until they became available in that format I did not want to start to moan over VHS and Beta.
When the lasers came out with the myriad of problems with each release..Planet bad color, Beneath(explained already), Escape poor picture and dull sound, Conquest-everything wrong, thats when I started.
Bart Pierce and numerous Fox people received a letter that I sent to "The Perfect Vision" magazine(Great for the time) and I received a phone call. I wont go through all the particulars but after alot of effort I got nowhwere. When The Apes were released again Beneath was sort of fixed(still sounded bad)but everything in its place. Bart Pierce said he had to get the audio from a spanish release and blah, blah, blah. It was all substandard and BS because HBO and Cinemax played the apes films like they are now back in 1991 and the looked and sounded wonderfull in mono the way they should be without any post processing. I ask Pierce why the cable channel could have it perfect and Fox couldnt and he said they did their own mixing and mastering which sounded fishy.
It wasnt till 20 years later that Beneath audio was sort of fixed, but not really, and the proof and my vindication of Foxes ineptitude was proven again in the last couple of days.
The original Apes films can be released perfectly if Fox gave a damn and the good elements are their and the Beneath broadcast proved that. Sorry for going on but I have a very long history with those clowns and im writing this half asleep. Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I've often wondered is Beneath's sound problems in various home video
> versions were caused by them trying to convert the mono soundtrack to
> stereo.
>

You know, I bet the prolouge to Conquest is in an 8 inch film canaster in Tom Rothmans office as a paper weight.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Hi James, The audio problems with Beneath started with the playhouse videos of 1985. The effects track was off, sounds were missing, etc, etc... I did not care to complain yet because I was a laserdisc man and until they became available in that format I did not want to start to moan over VHS and Beta.
> When the lasers came out with the myriad of problems with each release..Planet bad color, Beneath(explained already), Escape poor picture and dull sound, Conquest-everything wrong, thats when I started.
> Bart Pierce and numerous Fox people received a letter that I sent to "The Perfect Vision" magazine(Great for the time) and I received a phone call. I wont go through all the particulars but after alot of effort I got nowhwere. When The Apes were released again Beneath was sort of fixed(still sounded bad)but everything in its place. Bart Pierce said he had to get the audio from a spanish release and blah, blah, blah. It was all substandard and BS because HBO and Cinemax played the apes films like they are now back in 1991 and the looked and sounded wonderfull in mono the way they should be without any post processing. I ask Pierce why the cable channel could have it perfect and Fox couldnt and he said they did their own mixing and mastering which sounded fishy.
> It wasnt till 20 years later that Beneath audio was sort of fixed, but not really, and the proof and my vindication of Foxes ineptitude was proven again in the last couple of days.
> The original Apes films can be released perfectly if Fox gave a damn and the good elements are their and the Beneath broadcast proved that. Sorry for going on but I have a very long history with those clowns and im writing this half asleep. Take care John M.
>
>

In the spirit of simian brotherhood, I have added a new image to hassleinbooks.com:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/images/Yahoo_photo-43.jpg

The image is linked from this page, near the bottom:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/timelinehumor.html"

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:50 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

In the spirit of simian brotherhood, I have added a new image to hassleinbooks.com:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/images/Yahoo_photo-43.jpg

The image is linked from this page, near the bottom:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/timelinehumor.html"

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Im an audiophile and I just listened to the theme of "Escape" from the broadcast and compared it to the bluray. First let me say im an audiophile and have the bills to prove it. The audio on cinemax is fuller and more harmonic and has more fullness than the bluray in any of its mixes. The instruments have more depth and the notes are heard with more timeing, in other words the notes seems to flow into one another as if a half note is played for its full duration as compared to any Bluray or DVD that seems to have the notes get cut off faster.
What im trying to say is that the music seems to come from a generation closer to the original or first generation. I understand that making an opinion now is silly but while I have the theme freshly in my head and compared them, all I can say is that the elements for the broadcast Apes films on Cinemax are wonderfull and should be the ones transfered to Bluray, and because of that transfer to the higher bit rate of bluray their would be an even more objective improvement.
I wont write anymore about the apes, its just that we havent ever had the best elements possible and we have been treated like children..Take care , John M.

The brightness is similiar to the compression and loudness wars of CDs in that the companies feel that they must grab your attention with loudness and blaring video. Its a shame but our film and audio heritage is getting destroyed by catering to the average joe who doent give or know or care about anything except where his next beer is coming from. Take care, John M.

>
>
> I've done just a little comparing the Cinemax transfer to the Blu-ray this morning, and this transfer is definitely a newer and cleaner one than is on the Blu-ray. I've been watching some scenes on the Blu-ray frame by frame and still see minor scratches and dirt that are completely gone in this new transfer shown on Cinemax, so there has been a "restoration" of the film as we've read. I'm not entirely pleased with what I see, though. It looks too bright and the color over saturated, but I can adjust that on my monitor. I wish the showing had been fully letterboxed.
>
> As for the sound, it seems they've returned to the mix done for the 35th Anniversary DVD, but I'm not sure.
>
> Anyway, I hope there's a new Blu-ray on the way.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Cool pix! --- On Wed, 1/5/11, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote: From: William Burge <billburge48@...> Subject: [pota] beneath photos [9 Attachments] To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Date: Wednesday, January 5, 2011, 2:25 PM   dear group, i found two beneath posters one spanish and one german and the rest is different photos of beneath enjoy from william burge

Thanks, Bill! :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> LOVE the NOVA one!!!!!
> ;-)
>

In case anyone is interested, here are some links I thought I'd share:

* Comics writer/artist Sam Agro blogs about Lexicon and Timeline books:
http://samamovingpictures.blogspot.com/

* Revolution author Ty Templeton discusses Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes:
http://tytempletonart.wordpress.com/2011/01/04/ty-templeton-on-the-planet-of-the-apes/#comment-2020

* PlaidStallions awards Lexicon a 2010 Retro Award for Best Book:
http://plaidstallions.blogspot.com/2010/12/plaidstallions-2nd-annual-retro-awards.html"

LOVE LEXICON too btw! Man I have to re-read Timeline again before I re read Lex!

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:10 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Thanks, Bill! :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> LOVE the NOVA one!!!!!
> ;-)
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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dear group, charlton heston made a sci fi classic in omega man 1971 the original came out in 1964 with vincent price called the last man on earth. here are some photos from omega man and the insert poster. from william burge

I wonder if it's a case of "improving" things to death, such as when they "scrub" the image for a blu-ray and wind up taking the detail out of it (such as was recently debated here about the new "Predator" blu-ray). On the "Rocky Horror" blu they went back to the original audio elements because it's a musical. They wound up using the wrong take of Susan Sarandon on "Over at the Frankenstein Place" and it totally destroyed the song.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Escape in HD on Cinemax



Im an audiophile and I just listened to the theme of "Escape" from the broadcast and compared it to the bluray. First let me say im an audiophile and have the bills to prove it. The audio on cinemax is fuller and more harmonic and has more fullness than the bluray in any of its mixes. The instruments have more depth and the notes are heard with more timeing, in other words the notes seems to flow into one another as if a half note is played for its full duration as compared to any Bluray or DVD that seems to have the notes get cut off faster.
What im trying to say is that the music seems to come from a generation closer to the original or first generation. I understand that making an opinion now is silly but while I have the theme freshly in my head and compared them, all I can say is that the elements for the broadcast Apes films on Cinemax are wonderfull and should be the ones transfered to Bluray, and because of that transfer to the higher bit rate of bluray their would be an even more objective improvement.
I wont write anymore about the apes, its just that we havent ever had the best elements possible and we have been treated like children..Take care , John M.

Bill, you are WAY too good for my ego. My already large head swells with every e-mail or message you write.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> LOVE LEXICON too btw! Man I have to re-read Timeline again before I re read
> Lex!
>

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Bill, those attachments were excellent.  Thanks for sharing.   Zach            -------Original Message-------   From: William Burge Date: 1/5/2011 1:26:12 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Cc: billburge48@... Subject: [pota] beneath photos [9 Attachments]     dear group, i found two beneath posters one spanish and one german and the rest is different photos of beneath enjoy from william burge

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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Bill, you are WAY too good for my ego. My already large head swells with every e-mail or message you write.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>

> LOVE LEXICON too btw! Man I have to re-read Timeline again before I re read
> Lex!
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> According to the Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes, GJ is a gorilla.
>
>

COOL! That drives the thought home....Thanks!
Is the Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes available at any
of the local bookstores?

The equivalent publication in the UK was the TV Times and, funnily enough, I recently got a dvd rom of some old issues from the 70s.There's a listing for the Good Seeds in there with a blurb that talks about the astronauts and 'their friendly chimp Galen'.It may sound stupid of me, but my first thought was 'what a racist thing to say!'.These old listings are like social history nowadays.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
> Here's some TV Guide/newspaper clippings from the 70's I found in a
> envelope in my room. There's also a long Roddy article I'll put in another email.
> Bruce
>

Rich's Lexicon is the last word in Apedom---it's indescribably brilliant.I thought I knew a bit about Apes.I didn't.I was an intellectual amoeba against Rich's blue whale.I see connections and background to characters I've loved for decades, but never spotted those details before.It had passed me by that Peter Parker's Daily Bugle is part of Apes, given its appearance in the UK comic.If you are an Apes fan, you simply have to own this book.I can only salute the dedication and talent of Rich in bringing this project to us.Thanks, Rich. John, Scrolls.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 3:50 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:

Rich's Lexicon is the last word in Apedom---it's indescribably brilliant.I thought I knew a bit about Apes.I didn't.I was an intellectual amoeba against Rich's blue whale.I see connections and background to characters I've loved for decades, but never spotted those details before.It had passed me by that Peter Parker's Daily Bugle is part of Apes, given its appearance in the UK comic.If you are an Apes fan, you simply have to own this book.I can only salute the dedication and talent of Rich in bringing this project to us.Thanks, Rich. John, Scrolls.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Holy cow! My already swelling head is even bigger than usual. Thanks, John!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Rich's Lexicon is the last word in Apedom---it's indescribably brilliant.I thought I knew a bit about Apes.I didn't.I was an intellectual amoeba against Rich's blue whale.I see connections and background to characters I've loved for decades, but never spotted those details before.It had passed me by that Peter Parker's Daily Bugle is part of Apes, given its appearance in the UK comic.If you are an Apes fan, you simply have to own this book.I can only salute the dedication and talent of Rich in bringing this project to us.Thanks, Rich. John, Scrolls.
>

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Holy cow! My already swelling head is even bigger than usual. Thanks, John!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Rich's Lexicon is the last word in Apedom---it's indescribably brilliant.I thought I knew a bit about Apes.I didn't.I was an intellectual amoeba against Rich's blue whale.I see connections and background to characters I've loved for decades, but never spotted those details before.It had passed me by that Peter Parker's Daily Bugle is part of Apes, given its appearance in the UK comic.If you are an Apes fan, you simply have to own this book.I can only salute the dedication and talent of Rich in bringing this project to us.Thanks, Rich. John, Scrolls.
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Can this be the SAME Fox who originally didn't want to push Star Wars because they were confident that their BIG film that year would be Damnation Alley??!! This reminds me of the (obviously scandalous) suggestion that the computers Japanese car companies used to provide for free at their showrooms to play at designing cars were actually a source of new design ideas.For free, no less.Anyway, let's hope Fox get it right.My personal suggestion would be to ride the tree hugging, nature is love, vibe that Cameron gave us with Avatar.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Looks to me like FOX is trying to get good ideas cheaply.
>

Apeslayer was a bit weird, but I think there's a real story behind the story there.Marvel had NOT oust stripped it's US material as the legend goes--why publish an ENTIRE Terror chapter in one issue shortly before, if that was the case? I think pages got lost in transit to the UK--if you look at what was available already (issue 6 US contained the final part of the Planet adaptation AND chapter 5 of Terror, but chapter five of Terror didn't appear in the UK until FIFTY issues later!) then something is screwy.I think that chapter 5 of Terror either got lost or had a lousy photocopy from Ploog's 'charcoal' pencils and suddenly a new 6 parter was needed.Enter Apeslayer!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Yes, the "Apeslayer" idea was horrible... I can see "why" they did it
> (they needed material quicker than Marvel US could provide it), but I don't
> agree with what they did or the outcome of it... It was one of their worst
> ideas, they should have just supplemented the UK weeklies with additional
> pin-ups or something until more "original" material was provided... ***
>
>
>

There must be some award somewhere we can nominate Rich for--if this isn't the apex (groan0 of fandom, I don't know what is.For example,I've always had a real affection for Marvel's Future History Chronicles, but Rich has joined the dots, clarified background and just re-illuminated the whole thing for me.Amazing.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Can we call you "The Leader" from 70's era Hulk comics now Rich?
> ;-)
>
>

Any word on who is doing the music, novel and any comic spin off? Any action figures? I'm just starting to get tingly, now it's 2011, the year of the Apes.John, Scrolls.

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 10:04 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:

There must be some award somewhere we can nominate Rich for--if this isn't the apex (groan0 of fandom, I don't know what is.For example,I've always had a real affection for Marvel's Future History Chronicles, but Rich has joined the dots, clarified background and just re-illuminated the whole thing for me.Amazing.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Can we call you "The Leader" from 70's era Hulk comics now Rich?
> ;-)
>
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
www.brokensea.net
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://www.brokensea.com and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes at
http://www.brokensea.com and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://www.brokensea.com and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

No but it is available from Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/25rtjpk

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Pawfan" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
> COOL! That drives the thought home....Thanks!
> Is the Lexicon of the Planet of the Apes available at any
> of the local bookstores?
>

Yes....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Was this scene in the released version of the fillm? Just curious.
> Bruce
>

I can easily say Fox are morons. The truth is that they have a bunch of young kids who have no sense of history and have no idea about the movies they are working on and are probably having their boses looking over their shoulders barking orders about movies they dont give a s##t about. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I wonder if it's a case of "improving" things to death, such as when they "scrub" the image for a blu-ray and wind up taking the detail out of it (such as was recently debated here about the new "Predator" blu-ray). On the "Rocky Horror" blu they went back to the original audio elements because it's a musical. They wound up using the wrong take of Susan Sarandon on "Over at the Frankenstein Place" and it totally destroyed the song.
>
>
>
>
> Oh, my Lawgiver! What a horror story! I'm sure glad I didn't buy that Blu-ray! What I did buy was the Blu-ray to THE SOUND OF MUSIC. I thought it looked fine, but I've been reading nothing but complaints on the web that Fox (or whoever they hired) has screwed up the color.
>
> There's just no perfect in the universe.
>
> -- Rory
>

Its funny but I have an article packed away about a journalist for the local pennysaver here on Long Island about being an extra for Battle . It has a photo of him with the pullover mask off and on and a full page article. Was this a Jacobs move to create publicity, wonder. Anyway, with everything else I have packed away, I will digg it up and get it over to this web site.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> That story about one Joan E. Vadeboncoeur rang a bell with me. I was living in upstate New York at the time and got the Syracuse paper and I saved that article on her being an extra in BATTLE. I'll try to dig it out sometime and scan it.
>
>

John, I'm so pleased to see you reacting to the book this way. That, for me, makes the two years' of work worth it. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> There must be some award somewhere we can nominate Rich for--if this isn't the apex (groan0 of fandom, I don't know what is.For example,I've always had a real affection for Marvel's Future History Chronicles, but Rich has joined the dots, clarified background and just re-illuminated the whole thing for me.Amazing.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@> wrote:
> >
> > Can we call you "The Leader" from 70's era Hulk comics now Rich?
> > ;-)
> >
> >
>

Thanks-I wasn't sure....

 

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 12:56 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Question

 

Yes....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, stenosaurus@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Was this scene in the released version of the fillm? Just curious.
> Bruce
>

I was talking to an ex Fox employee and friend who wants to remain anonomous(JOE) and he said the same thing about the Bluray that I said .The version that we got was the Japanese version not the original uncut phoenix premeir edition. Ofcourse the lacking prolouge and other ques and other elements are missing. It was just easier to branch on the violent ending than to find the reel(real) version of Conquest
The original version had no Goldsmith music(Im not sure I agree with him) at the end and their was a title card that said "THE END".
The Max version just watched was very good abiet to clean to my eyes. All the apes films seem to have a "Red" issue as if they pumped up the color intensity or color timed all the films wrong. Look, I know im kicking a dead horse but all this kicking got us somewhere so I say lets keep doing it. John M.

Maybe that's why I don't remember it. Thanks!

 

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@...
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 1:12 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Question

 

Oh, yeah... that scene is in there, from a slightly different angle though.

-----Original Message-----
From: stenosaurus <stenosaurus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 6, 2011 12:44 pm
Subject: [pota] Question

 

     Was this scene in the released version of the fillm? Just curious.

     Bruce

 

 

Here's an article about how Weta has engaged digital fur experts to make the hair of the apes realistic in "Rise of the Apes". And thus make YOUR hair stand on end!

http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/weta-takes-physics-approach-digital-fur-3993763

Yes, I agree. I believe this one was probably taken by the still photographer, standing off to the side of the Panavision film camera.

--Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Oh, yeah... that scene is in there, from a slightly different angle though.
>
>

I didnt even go to the site yet. Its Carol Kaye, and being a Beach Boy and Herb Alpert fan I enjoyed her work for many years. I knew she did the bass parts to Beneath and Escape for years and can tell her playing a mile away. She uses a pick alot and the pickups on her bass are of great quality and custom made. Thanks to the link, now I will go to it..John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Yeah, it's a depressing situation, but at least we get something out of it. Better than nothing.
>
> By the way, since you mentioned the score to ESCAPE, here's a link to the website of the woman who played electric bass on that score, BENEATH too, though I'll bet on the LP re-recording.
>
> http://www.carolkaye.com/www/library/tvandfilms.htm
>
> -- Rory

All photos and I mean all are taking by the fox photographers and are taken during some rehearsals and when the camera is not rolling and the actors pose for the shots. Sometimes the photos are from trailers and the film itself but its very rare(I have a bunch from Beneath and Conquest) and if not done well look grainy and flat. Blowups from actual film elements at that time were never done to well.
After a director says cut the photographers start snapping. If certain shots are requied for publicity they are done without stealth and sometimes they are indistinguishable from what you think you are seeing on the film(Movie) itself.
When sound was not an issue, like a long shot in the desert, the shots can be close to whats on the screen, like many of the Hunt scenes from Planet or riot scenes from Conquest. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mmuse@... wrote:
>
> Yes, I agree. I believe this one was probably taken by the still photographer, standing off to the side of the Panavision film camera.
>
> --Mike
>

I forgot, the theme from Conquest on Max was great, not slightly muffled or distorted like the Bluray(weather mono, stereo, or 5.1). Sorry for going on but it pisses me off that broadcast can be better than whats for sale on bluray. One bad thing is that whoever is responible has to stop de-graining this film and others. Also the music cues fade away nicely on the broadcasts , but on video they tend to get cut off. I have great ears and im picky as hell and I have tapes from the drive-in(72) hard wired into my old panasonic to compare so its obvious that many things are wrong. The average fan wont care and maybe he or she is right. I dont agree. These films have been futzed with so much and I dont have a clue why..Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I was talking to an ex Fox employee and friend who wants to remain anonomous(JOE) and he said the same thing about the Bluray that I said .The version that we got was the Japanese version not the original uncut phoenix premeir edition. Ofcourse the lacking prolouge and other ques and other elements are missing. It was just easier to branch on the violent ending than to find the reel(real) version of Conquest
> The original version had no Goldsmith music(Im not sure I agree with him) at the end and their was a title card that said "THE END".
> The Max version just watched was very good abiet to clean to my eyes. All the apes films seem to have a "Red" issue as if they pumped up the color intensity or color timed all the films wrong. Look, I know im kicking a dead horse but all this kicking got us somewhere so I say lets keep doing it. John M.
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> No but it is available from Amazon: http://tinyurl.com/25rtjpk
> <http://tinyurl.com/25rtjpk>
>
>

Thanks for letting me know where to find this book.

They certainly seem to be trying to do the CGI right.Personally, I'd have loved to see Serkis emoting through real appliances,but I'm along for the ride now and I can't wait to see the first images.Is it cheaper or more expensive to do CGI rather than make-up? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's an article about how Weta has engaged digital fur experts to make the hair of the apes realistic in "Rise of the Apes". And thus make YOUR hair stand on end!
>
> http://tvnz.co.nz/entertainment-news/weta-takes-physics-approach-digital-fur-3993763
>

Roy Thomas mentioned once that he had, somewhere, a copy of the printed mag #1 that had to be scrapped.When you look really closely at the panels from #1, you can actually see where paste in new heads were done--presumably by the great John Romita, who did this stuff for Marvel at the time.So, one cool by product is the Romita is an Apes artist.Incidentally, John Bolton got away with doing an exact Chuck likeness in the 1975 UK Annual--much to his surprise as he relates in Simian Scrolls #9! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Woodrow <patrick.woodrow@...> wrote:
>
>
> On the subject of Marvel's Apes...
>
> Marvel went to print on the first issue of the B&W magazine only to be asked by Fox to amend the Tuska/Esposito artwork for the first chapter of the POTA movie adaptation. The bone of contention was the representation of Taylor - although Tuska had not aimed for a likeness of Heston (for which Marvel did not have the rights), the studio considered the drawn version of the character insufficiently distinct from his movie counterpart. As a result, the original print run was destroyed and the original artwork was altered. If you look closely at the published art, you can see that, throughout the issue, Taylor's hair has been darkened and the hairline of his fringe lowered. In some of the profile close-ups it looks like the bridge of his nose may also have been doctored - the ink line looks a little crude and there appears to be a fringe of whiteout around it. Only in one panel does Taylor's original appearance seem to have survived (page 61, panel
> 5). The figure is tiny, but Taylor does appear to be blonde and his hairstyle is different.
> Naturally, from the 2nd issue on, Tuska stuck to the revised version, and further alterations of this kind were not required. Interestingly, by the time the first two movie adaptations were repackaged as colour monthlies, Fox or Marvel wasn't paying attention, and several of the new covers depicted Taylor with Heston's likeness.
>
> Does anyone know whether any copies of the initial print run survived, and has anyone seen any of the undoctored artwork?
>

Happy Friday! This week's LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks to Glen for his contribution.

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This is not an attack on you or anybody but stereo is not better than Mono. A mono single from the 60s will blow away a stereo version from the same time in many cases. Groups like The Beach Boys, Beatles , Herb Alpert and Phil Spector made the Mono masters their main concern and the stereo just a secondary marketing ploy in order to sell LPs. The Mono versions were done by the main leaders of a group involved or their main producers while stereo was usually left to the engineers to have done quickly. Pop music was mostly better sounding in Mono during its hey-day from 55-70. It wasnt until around 69-73 that stereo for POP and ROCK anyway was done properly.
Concerning films if it was done in Mono and Mixed for Mono it should stay in Mono. Offer different versions if you think it will sell more DVDs but have the original mix available. Alot of home theater receivers that people at home have have pro-logic and other sudo-stereo matrixes to create a stereo sound.
Stereo is not better than mono even though it can be. Most engineers nowadays dont have a clue . Its a lost art. I just woke up and im alittle rattled, I must have coffee. Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> These films have been futzed with so much and I dont have a clue why..Take care, John M.
>
>
>
>
> They've been "futzed" with because they were mono and everybody now wants stereo, only stereo conversion has moved from primitive methods to more sophisticated ones -- "They keep getting better at it all the time" -- but mistakes get made and it takes years to get corrected.
>
> Same with the picture elements. Seems every year there's a better technology for restoring images.
>
> -- Rory
>

Im telling you, they never got a new print, they just remastered old garbage, not bad though...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> No, I'm not talking about realistic CGI hair. I'm talking hairs literally ON the PLANET OF THE APES!
>
> I've never noticed this before on this one particular shot in the film (amazing considering how many times I've watched it), but I spotted it when comparing the Blu-ray to the new Cinemax telecast. My screen captures are from the 35th Anniversary DVD. Unfortunately I can't do the same with the Blu-ray.
>
> Anyway, this is the scene of when Julius lets Lucius into the room to look at Taylor. In the upper right corner of the scene is a hair. I've captured three shots and put a red arrow on them to point to the hair (see attached image). This shot pulls back as they walk to the cage Taylor is in. During the entire shot the hair is there and was probably stuck in the gate of the camera during original photography.
>
> Anyway, if you're so inclined, get your Blu-ray out and play this shot. I can literally see in the Blu-ray transfer where they've digitally covered up this hair -- and not completely. Check it out and see if you can notice it..
>
> This leads me to suspect that the current Blu-ray transfer is merely the older transfer upscaled, color corrected, and digitally cleaned up -- but only to a degree. I have another shot to point out later.
>
> -- Rory
>

That's what I call "splitting hairs", Sassoon Haristas. It may not be the best blu-ray but it's the only blu-ray we've got!


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 7:47 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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No, I'm not talking about realistic CGI hair. I'm talking hairs literally ON the PLANET OF THE APES!

I've never noticed this before on this one particular shot in the film (amazing considering how many times I've watched it), but I spotted it when comparing the Blu-ray to the new Cinemax telecast. My screen captures are from the 35th Anniversary DVD. Unfortunately I can't do the same with the Blu-ray.

Anyway, this is the scene of when Julius lets Lucius into the room to look at Taylor. In the upper right corner of the scene is a hair. I've captured three shots and put a red arrow on them to point to the hair (see attached image). This shot pulls back as they walk to the cage Taylor is in. During the entire shot the hair is there and was probably stuck in the gate of the camera during original photography.

Anyway, if you're so inclined, get your Blu-ray out and play this shot. I can literally see in the Blu-ray transfer where they've digitally covered up this hair -- and not completely. Check it out and see if you can notice it..

This leads me to suspect that the current Blu-ray transfer is merely the older transfer upscaled, color corrected, and digitally cleaned up -- but only to a degree. I have another shot to point out later.

-- Rory

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Thanks, William. You are right--that's a very nice image of Taylor.

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dear group, i found a few photos on battle and a good photo on taylor enjoy from william burge

Fridays are usually good days anyway...but this one was especially good for me. I ran an errand to our local courthouse and on one of the front doors was a sign for a birthday celebration for one of the county employees. Then, as I opened the door, I noticed that on the back of this sign (glass door) was a picture of GALEN!! What it was doing there...don't know. Maybe I'll find out. I just figured that I was the only Apes fan in this little Indiana hick-town.

I was grinning from ear to ear and even took a picture of it with my phone. I may try to upload it but it's of poor quality (old phone)and you've all seen pictures of Galen before anyway.

BTW...still smiling

Im not bothering anymore but you are incredibly illiformed. Stereo means solid sound. Your right about the AM radios but thats it. We hear in something more than a two cannel stereo. That was just the limits of LPs because it only had two grooves. Talk to you all again in about a few years....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> This is not an attack on you or anybody but stereo is not better than Mono. A mono single from the 60s will blow away a stereo version from the same time in many cases. Groups like The Beach Boys, Beatles , Herb Alpert and Phil Spector made the Mono masters their main concern and the stereo just a secondary marketing ploy in order to sell LPs. The Mono versions were done by the main leaders of a group involved or their main producers while stereo was usually left to the engineers to have done quickly. Pop music was mostly better sounding in Mono during its hey-day from 55-70. It wasnt until around 69-73 that stereo for POP and ROCK anyway was done properly.
> Concerning films if it was done in Mono and Mixed for Mono it should stay in Mono. Offer different versions if you think it will sell more DVDs but have the original mix available. Alot of home theater receivers that people at home have have pro-logic and other sudo-stereo matrixes to create a stereo sound.
> Stereo is not better than mono even though it can be. Most engineers nowadays don't have a clue . Its a lost art. I just woke up and im alittle rattled, I must have coffee. Take care John M.
>
>
>
>
> This is not an attack on U, but nearly everything you just wrote makes little sense. First of all, what is stereo? I'll tell you, and you may be surprised by this response: STEREO IS SIMPLY TWO-CHANNEL MONO. Therefore, how can stereo be inferior to mono when all it is physically is two mono channels played simultaneously?
>
> The reasons the musical groups of the 60s were careful with their mono mixes is because AM RADIO WAS MONO!!!! And, it all had to sound good coming out of that little speaker in your car dashboard or those little portable radios. Those days are long gone.
>
> Stereo is not better than mono in the audiophile terms you're talking about, and I understand completely where you're coming from, but, unless there's something physically wrong with your ears, we hear the world in stereo and therefore stereo recordings and playback are preferable to mono -- it's more realistic, like real life. Surround sound is even better, but only if it's done well. I'm for ALL mono movies, going all the way back to 1929, getting stereo conversions, but again, with the best audio fidelity from the source, and mixed realistically, i.e. subtly.
>
> I'm not going to bore this group any further than this, but you're a little silly here, John. But, if you like mono better than stereo, more power to 'ya!
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> -- Rory
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.html The quality of mono, stereo, all the way up to 7.1 surround depend on the medium and the quality of the recording. Stereo and stereo surround is indeed a more realistic and immersive experience though.

I can reckon that old mono vinyl releases could beat stereo ones in sound quality because the practice of stereo recording, mixing and LP production was still developing. A lot of vinyl collectors prefer the mono releases of some classic albums (some Beatles albums in particular) not only because of their collect-ability but because they did sound better because mono album technology was more established than stereo. That doesn't mean stereo sound is a gimmick or inferior to mono sound.

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Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 02:19:51 +0000
Subject: [pota] Re: Conquest in HD on MAX!

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What are those?  Poker chips or pogs?

 

 

In a message dated 1/5/2011 11:17:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, handleyr@... writes:

In the spirit of simian brotherhood, I have added a new image to hassleinbooks.com:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/images/Yahoo_photo-43.jpg

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I don't know how that even happens.

There are people who have seen these

films dozens of times.  Why is it the people

who work on them have no intimate knowledge

of them, nor ,apparently, any pride in their craft.

 

 

In a message dated 1/5/2011 6:15:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I wonder if it's a case of "improving" things to death, such as when they "scrub" the image for a blu-ray and wind up taking the detail out of it (such as was recently debated here about the new "Predator" blu-ray). On the "Rocky Horror" blu they went back to the original audio elements because it's a musical. They wound up using the wrong take of Susan Sarandon on "Over at the Frankenstein Place" and it totally destroyed the song.

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I've heard of really big musicians putting music

students up in Miami Beach hotels for a week

so they could steal the tunes they'd crank out

for nothing or next to it. The Rolling Stones are

notorious for having tape rolling while hired studio

cats warm up because anything recorded during

the session is considered Rolling Stones property.

 

 

In a message dated 1/6/2011 9:57:33 A.M. Central Standard Time, johnroche49@... writes:

the computers Japanese car companies used to provide for free at their showrooms to play at designing cars were actually a source of new design ideas.For free, no less.

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What are the prospects of the TV Series getting a blu ray release.One thing that non Apes friends always say to me is how surprised they are that the TV series is so good,given that it gets a bad press from reviewers who've clearly never watched it.The series was done on film and still is timeless and great looking---a blu ray release would be wonderful.John, Scrolls.

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> That's what I call "splitting hairs", Sassoon Haristas. It may not be the best blu-ray but it's the only blu-ray we've got!
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Don't tell me se played the baritone guitar and the electric

sitar on Escape's soundtrack too?  That would be amazing!

 

In a message dated 1/6/2011 3:37:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

I didnt even go to the site yet. Its Carol Kaye, and being a Beach Boy and Herb Alpert fan I enjoyed her work for many years. I knew she did the bass parts to Beneath and Escape for years and can tell her playing a mile away.

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His Ian Dury movie is out on DVD this month.

I've preordered!

 

 

In a message dated 1/7/2011 7:36:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, johnroche49@... writes:

I'd have loved to see Serkis emoting through real appliances,but I'm along for the ride now and I can't wait to see the first images

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The movie about John Lennon's early life Nowhere Boy is coming out on DVD too.

 

In a message dated 1/7/2011 7:20:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Groups like The Beach Boys, Beatles

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Not really.  The American versions on Beatles releases

were mixed anything but carefully. When Capital would

get the four-track masters they panned the overdubs

hard left & hard right.  It was a weird sound, but you

could test your stereo with it.  It it came to the part

with the solo on the radio, and you didn't hear it at

home, you know you hooked the wires up wrong.

 

 

In a message dated 1/7/2011 8:38:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

> The reasons the musical groups of the 60s were careful with their mono mixes is because AM RADIO WAS MONO!!!!

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