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Oh really? Cool I did not know that Andy Serkis did King Kong as well.
So there is still hope.Whew...... Thanks for letting us that did not know,know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
>
> > So did anyone catch the Oscars when they showed Andy Serkis on one
> > side of the screen moving his mouth and the CGI Gorilla Ape on the
> > other side of the screen ? Could that really be the first look at how
> > Caesar will look?
>
> I'm pretty sure that was a clip from Serkis's work on KING KONG.
>
> I was happy to see THE KING'S SPEECH do so well. It deserved to.
>
> And I was happy to see Rick Baker win again for Best Makeup, despite
> the fact that the transformation clip they showed was mostly CGI (done
> over Rick's protests, according to what I read when the movie came
> out). Like Burton's Apes, THE WOLFMAN was a crappy movie, but Rick's
> makeups were great.
>
> And yes, I had the same thoughts about Franco. I never saw him as
> leading man material, and last night doesn't inspire much confidence
> that he'll be good in RISE. Of course, I have my doubts that RISE
> will be any good anyway....
>
> Hunter
>

Thanks Tim,that is good news.I did not know Serkis did that film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Tim <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I'm thinking that footage was maybe tests from King Kong...it seemed all the other quick shots were from movies already made...
>
> Tim
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

Great news, as I thought after seeing the clip that they changes Casar
from a chimp to a gorilla.They really had me going lol.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that was definitely "King Kong". For starters, Serkis doesn't play a gorilla in "Rise".
>
> Colleen Atwood also won an Oscar last night (her 3rd?). She did the costumes for POTA2001.
>
> And when they showed the clips from the Governor's Ball they played the "Henry V" music by Patrick "Rise of the Apes" Doyle.
>
>

DVD Beaver gives thumbs up for the blu ray of the James Franco film "127 Hrs.", which hits on Tuesday. Watching it again, some of the establishing hiking scenes did remind me of the Forbidden Zone trek at the beginning of POTA. They filmed some of the exteriors in the place where the real story happened, which isn't too far from where POTA was filmed and it's a similar topography.
Of course, Franco's name seems to be mud at the moment, post-Oscars, but he is a good actor and anyone who wants to examine his chops could do worse than this film. It even has the Oscar-nominated song "If I Rise" (get it, "Rise"?). I don't agree with all the choices they made to liven up the static story but it's good stuff.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews53/127_hours_blu-ray.htm

And Colleen also did Helena BC's dress for the night---which was a real dog's dinner.I didn't know Patrick Doyle was doing the Rise score---that's an Irish name so it's a guarantee that the music, at least, will be brilliant.Doyle mean's 'dark stranger' in Gaelic, incidentally.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that was definitely "King Kong". For starters, Serkis doesn't play a gorilla in "Rise".
>
> Colleen Atwood also won an Oscar last night (her 3rd?). She did the costumes for POTA2001.
>
> And when they showed the clips from the Governor's Ball they played the "Henry V" music by Patrick "Rise of the Apes" Doyle.
>
>

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Great.

The one time my local independent theater puts one an Ape-a-thon, and
its a week that I'm out of town. Grrr.

Ironically there was an Ape-o-thon when I lived in Montreal as well, and
it was the week right after my son was born, so I missed that one too.

When it comes to Ape marathon movie sessions, I just never get a break.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011 12:08 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] All five POTA movies plus TV episodes ON SCREEN in
MARCH in Ottawa, Canada [1 Attachment]

> This March, the Mayfair proudly presents the classic Planet of the
> Apes series
> on rare 35mm film. We're also including a special bonus engagement
> of three
> great episodes of the TV series Return to the Planet of the Apes
> on 16mm! All
> five films in the saga will be shown. It all begins on March 12!
> Don't miss it!
>
> (unclear if they mean the TV show or the Cartoon...!)
>
> http://mayfairtheatre.ca/uncategorized/go-ape-this-
> march/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=go-ape-this-march
>
>
>

I take that back,

Now that I look at their March schedule, they'll be playing the movie
throughout the month.

SO I WILL BE THERE!

I finally get to see POTA on the big screen!

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: All five POTA movies plus TV episodes ON SCREEN in MARCH
in Ottawa, Canada [1 Attachment]

>
> Great.
>
> The one time my local independent theater puts one an Ape-a-thon, and
> its a week that I'm out of town. Grrr.
>
> Ironically there was an Ape-o-thon when I lived in Montreal as
> well, and
> it was the week right after my son was born, so I missed that one too.
>
> When it comes to Ape marathon movie sessions, I just never get a
> break.
> Dario
>
>
>

*** "He-Man/Masters of the Universe" body armor? This is not a sign of good
things to come... ***



In a message dated 3/1/2011 10:51:00 AM Central Standard Time,
JamesA1102@... writes:

> <IMG SRC="http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/boom2.jpg" WIDTH="300"
> HEIGHT="421" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="13712">

</HTML>

*** Something tells me these "deleted" John Landis/Bobby Porter scenes are
in the same category as the alleged "Ursus strangling a mutant with his
robes" scene... ***



In a message dated 3/1/2011 10:59:05 AM Central Standard Time,
apefan23@... writes:

> He also says that he was in more scenes as maybe a caretaker of Cornelius
> ("a midget"...I'm sure Bobby Porter appreciates that...!) So....somewhere
> out there are deleted scenes from Battle!
>
>
>

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*** I pretty much agree with you: The storyline of RETURN is decent enough,
but the way it was presented left a lot to be desired...

I don't think the lack of wanting to do horses is the only reason they went
technologically advanced apes, but maybe it played a small part of it...
They could have did any "horse-riding" scene by drawing stills of running
horses with dust flying up around the bottoms of their legs and pulled it across
the background, sort of like they did with cars tires... ***



In a message dated 2/26/2011 5:10:33 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> Why, I don't know, but I've been re-watching the Apes animated series
> lately.When you take it for what it is, and expunge some of the silly stuff,
> it's actually quite a deep story for a cartoon.I almost get the feeling that
> the silly bits were an afterthought, to appease the kids.If re-edited, it
> could be a really interesting 90 minute movie.It also occurred to me that
> one reason they might have given the Apes technolgy was to avoid having to
> animate horses! Still, it's definitely worth a re-look,I feel.

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Judging a comic book by the cover I'd say "this isn't looking good". --- On Tue, 3/1/11, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote: From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> Subject: [pota] Boom! Issue #2 Cover To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 11:48 AM

My thoughts exactly!!...Although I don't read comic books, this doesn't look like anything we would consider Planet of the Apes, at all.

--Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** "He-Man/Masters of the Universe" body armor? This is not a sign of good
> things to come... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2011 10:51:00 AM Central Standard Time,
> JamesA1102@... writes:
>
>
> > <IMG SRC="http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/boom2.jpg" WIDTH="300"
> > HEIGHT="421" BORDER="0" DATASIZE="13712">
>
> </HTML>
>

*** At this rate, they'll be doing Gorillas with ponytails like ADVENTURE
did... Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll add a ghost too... Could we be that
lucky?

I hope the cover in question is a one off bad cover and not indicative of
what they'll be publishing in future issues... If it is, I won't be buying
them... ***



In a message dated 3/1/2011 3:26:38 PM Central Standard Time,
mmuse@... writes:

> My thoughts exactly!!...Although I don't read comic books, this doesn't
> look like anything we would consider Planet of the Apes, at all.
>
> --Mike
>
>

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>>Where is Bethel, NY? <<

>>Not to be stupid, but these are films yes?  Not DVD

presentations right? << <.html

Well, I'll play Devil's Advocate here and say that you can, indeed, rarely judge a comic book by its cover.The cover always has to grab attention (which this one does, for whatever reason!), so maybe we should wait for the final contents inside.It's definitely a striking image.John, Scrolls.

As the late, great Bob Monkhouse (a UK comic) once said, whenever you lift a ponytail, whether it's on a man or a pony, you'll find an arsehole underneath.Same probably applies to Apes.The Malibu ponytail and much else was unadulterated crap and best expunged from the memory.I honestly don't think Boom! will make the same mistake.If you're reading this Boom!...DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE!!!! John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** At this rate, they'll be doing Gorillas with ponytails like ADVENTURE
> did... Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll add a ghost too... Could we be that
> lucky?
>
> I hope the cover in question is a one off bad cover and not indicative of
> what they'll be publishing in future issues... If it is, I won't be buying
> them... ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/1/2011 3:26:38 PM Central Standard Time,
> mmuse@... writes:
>
>
> > My thoughts exactly!!...Although I don't read comic books, this doesn't
> > look like anything we would consider Planet of the Apes, at all.
> >
> > --Mike
> >
> >
>

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Yup.  POTA Trifecta .

Marky, H B-C & Franco!

 

 

In a message dated 2/28/2011 9:15:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

And Franco's granny called Wahlberg "Marky Mark". Battle of the POTA remake icons.

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I sometimes feel like I'm the only unapologetic fan of the Malibu line. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
> As the late, great Bob Monkhouse (a UK comic) once said, whenever you lift a ponytail, whether it's on a man or a pony, you'll find an arsehole underneath.Same probably applies to Apes.The Malibu ponytail and much else was unadulterated crap and best expunged from the memory.I honestly don't think Boom! will make the same mistake.If you're reading this Boom!...DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE!!!! John,Scrolls.
>

My biggest complaint about the cartoons is that the pacing is WAY off--and it's made worse by the constant re-use of footage. Slow pan of canyon... shot of gorilla jeep driving by very slowly... shot of humanoids running in same pattern over and over... slow pan of canyon... shot of gorilla jeep driving by very slowly... shot of humanoids running in same pattern over and over... slow pan of canyon... shot of gorilla jeep driving by very slowly... shot of humanoids running in same pattern over and over... slow pan of canyon... shot of gorilla jeep driving by very slowly... shot of humanoids running in same pattern over and over... After a while, it drives me insane.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I pretty much agree with you: The storyline of RETURN is decent enough,
> but the way it was presented left a lot to be desired...
>
> I don't think the lack of wanting to do horses is the only reason they went
> technologically advanced apes, but maybe it played a small part of it...
> They could have did any "horse-riding" scene by drawing stills of running
> horses with dust flying up around the bottoms of their legs and pulled it across
> the background, sort of like they did with cars tires... ***
>
>

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You're not alone Rich.

I remember that they they were not the best of comics from either the
art or the stories. But I still enjoyed them none the less. I actually
enjoyed the lame Jojo and Frito comedy. I'm still looking for issue #15
and the annual so that I can someday sit down and read them all again.

Besides, at the time, there was not much of anything new in Ape fandom,
so I was thrilled to stumble upon them.

Perhaps a factor in my lack of disappointment was the fact that I paid
25 cents apiece for almost all of them. ;)

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 8:06 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! Issue #2 Cover

> I sometimes feel like I'm the only unapologetic fan of the Malibu
> line. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. :)
>
>

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 7:06 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

I sometimes feel like I'm the only unapologetic fan of the Malibu line. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
> As the late, great Bob Monkhouse (a UK comic) once said, whenever you lift a ponytail, whether it's on a man or a pony, you'll find an arsehole underneath.Same probably applies to Apes.The Malibu ponytail and much else was unadulterated crap and best expunged from the memory.I honestly don't think Boom! will make the same mistake.If you're reading this Boom!...DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE!!!! John,Scrolls.
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 8:50 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

My biggest complaint about the cartoons is

The terrible lines deliveries of the voice talent! I think Austin Stoker literally phoned it in.

--

**** But an okay cover can also shield horrible contents inside... Like
Dario, I bought the ADVENTURE line for next to nothing because a few (very few)
of their covers weren't that bad... The stories inside: Pretty awful... ***




In a message dated 3/2/2011 5:28:58 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> Well, I'll play Devil's Advocate here and say that you can, indeed,
> rarely judge a comic book by its cover.The cover always has to grab attention
> (which this one does, for whatever reason!), so maybe we should wait for the
> final contents inside.It's definitely a striking image

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That, too! That lizard was annoying as hell--as was Nova's repeated yelling of "Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a!" In fact, Nova annoyed the crap out of me. "Beeel? Novaaa? Beeeeeeel! Nooooovaaaa!" Between the repetition of images, Nova's voice, Urko's orange outfit, the Fred Flintstone voice, and the ridiculously sleepy voice patterns of Zira and Cornelius, I found it agonizing while writing my two POTA books, as I ended up watching the cartoon series four times through during the research phase. Ugh.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> You are exactly right.
>
> Hey, don't forget the annoying-as-hell flying lizard. They just had to repeat
> the noise it made over and over and over.
>
>
> I know, cartoons had budget issues then....but the repetitiveness still drove
> one crazy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

As for me, I'm excited about this series. I loved Marvel, I loved Malibu, I loved Revolution and I even loved the Dark Horse line. It's time we had a new comic-book series, and I look forward to seeing what BOOM! has in mind.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Fascist gorillas and guns.... what's not too love.
> What's that sound I hear?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 11:51 am
> Subject: [pota] Boom! Issue #2 Cover
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:

> You're not alone Rich.

That's good to know, Dario. It does sometimes feel like I'm the only fan of that series, given the amount of trashing it often receives. I know that the artwork was wildly uneven, and that some of the stories fell flat, but by and large, I very much enjoyed it. Alexander, Coure, Jacob, Grunt, Ollo, Dunzell, Moto, Tonus, August Ann Burrows, Mendez X and Carson McCormick were all great characters, and I found several of the storylines to be fascinating.

> I remember that they they were not the best of comics
> from either the art or the stories.

That I can't deny. It did have some problems as well--mostly in regard to the non-ape-like ape likenesses.

> But I still enjoyed them none the less.

Me, too. Urchak's Folly, Forbidden Zone, Sins of the Father, Countdown Zero, Blood of the Apes, Quitting Time... all gold, in my opinion.

> I actually enjoyed the lame Jojo and Frito comedy.

So do I! And I know that's definitely not a sentiment many share, but those two characters crack me up--finding the bomb shelter containing the Hostess Fruit Pies and the Playboy magazine was hilarious, and their antics with the statue were as well. I'll probably take a lot of flack for saying that. :)

> I'm still looking for issue #15

Look no more! Here's that issue on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Planet-Apes-Comic-Book-15-1991-NEAR-MINT-/130129862367?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e4c581edf

> and the annual

And here's that issue as well:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Planet-Apes-Annual-Comic-Book-1-1991-NM-/130129862628?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e4c581fe4

You're welcome. :)

> Perhaps a factor in my lack of disappointment was the
> fact that I paid 25 cents apiece for almost all of them. ;)

That's funny, because that was true for me as well. In 1994, my wife and I drove up to Canada for a week, and while there, I came across a local comic shop. While looking around, I found all 50 issues for a quarter apiece, so I ended up coming home with the entire Malibu line for less than $13. Upon returning to New York, I read them all over a two-day period and loved them... well, most of them, anyway. I could have done without Ape Nation, Ape City and the seances to reanimate Breck and Caesar.

Rich

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 2:45 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

That, too! That lizard was annoying as hell--as was Nova's repeated yelling of "Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a!" In fact, Nova annoyed the crap out of me. "Beeel? Novaaa? Beeeeeeel! Nooooovaaaa!" Between the repetition of images, Nova's voice, Urko's orange outfit, the Fred Flintstone voice, and the ridiculously sleepy voice patterns of Zira and Cornelius, I found it agonizing while writing my two POTA books, as I ended up watching the cartoon series four times through during the research phase. Ugh.

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

*** There were that many? If there were, that must include ALL of them
(including the mini-series)? ***



In a message dated 3/2/2011 3:19:10 PM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> While looking around, I found all 50 issues for a quarter apiece, so I
> ended up coming home with the entire Malibu line for less than $13.

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Yeah, sorry for the confusion--that includes the 24 monthly issues, as well as all of the one-shots and miniseries.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** There were that many? If there were, that must include ALL of them
> (including the mini-series)? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/2/2011 3:19:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> handleyr@... writes:
>
>
> > While looking around, I found all 50 issues for a quarter apiece, so I
> > ended up coming home with the entire Malibu line for less than $13.
>
> </HTML>
>

The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.

According to the offended Wikipedia editor...

"Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:06 PM, psiworld <psiworld@...> wrote:

The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.

According to the offended Wikipedia editor...

"Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29

I like the cover, actually. Yup, it's not the same costuming we've seen before, but it's the heart of the scripts that are going to make or break the story. Way better to get POTA comics that are willing to play around than no POTA comic at all. It adds to the grand world of the genre no matter what it does, and BOOM does pretty good comics in general.

Ty the Guy

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:46 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

As for me, I'm excited about this series. I loved Marvel, I loved Malibu, I loved Revolution and I even loved the Dark Horse line. It's time we had a new comic-book series, and I look forward to seeing what BOOM! has in mind.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> Fascist gorillas and guns.... what's not too love.
> What's that sound I hear?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----

> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2011 11:51 am
> Subject: [pota] Boom! Issue #2 Cover
>

--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com

http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage

www.twitter.com/tytempleton

TO ARMS!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 12:50 AM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Wow! Someone's wearing their cranky pants. For some reason, seeing that this is going to be deleted makes me feel sad.

Jess.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:06 PM, psiworld <psiworld@...> wrote:

The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.

According to the offended Wikipedia editor...

"Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"

Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Screw them. They're a bunch of pretentious tight asses. I won't lose sleep over it. Don't let it bother you guys one bit either............joe OBrien

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Wow! Someone's wearing their cranky pants. For some reason, seeing that
> this is going to be deleted makes me feel sad.
>
> Jess.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 9:06 PM, psiworld <psiworld@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes
> > movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
> >
> > According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
> >
> > "Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film
> > enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March
> > 2011 (UTC)"
> >
> > Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide
> > feedback...
> >
> >
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
> >
> >
> >
>

I'll defend most things Apes, but stuff like Ape City is an abomination.I recently tried, Clockwork Orange like, to force my eyes to scan this craptacular mess but was defeated.Some of the Malibu stuff just did not 'get it'.And I LOVE comics and Apes.I just can't find it in my soul to love Ape City and its ilk.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, sorry for the confusion--that includes the 24 monthly issues, as well as all of the one-shots and miniseries.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > *** There were that many? If there were, that must include ALL of them
> > (including the mini-series)? ***
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 3/2/2011 3:19:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> > handleyr@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > While looking around, I found all 50 issues for a quarter apiece, so I
> > > ended up coming home with the entire Malibu line for less than $13.
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>

'Bu-hoy-a' is actually Welsh for 'I'm up for it if you guys are'.Sadly, Bill and Jeff didn't speak Welsh.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> That, too! That lizard was annoying as hell--as was Nova's repeated yelling of "Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a! Bu-hoy-a!" In fact, Nova annoyed the crap out of me. "Beeel? Novaaa? Beeeeeeel! Nooooovaaaa!" Between the repetition of images, Nova's voice, Urko's orange outfit, the Fred Flintstone voice, and the ridiculously sleepy voice patterns of Zira and Cornelius, I found it agonizing while writing my two POTA books, as I ended up watching the cartoon series four times through during the research phase. Ugh.
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@> wrote:
> >
> > You are exactly right.
> >
> > Hey, don't forget the annoying-as-hell flying lizard. They just had to repeat
> > the noise it made over and over and over.
> >
> >
> > I know, cartoons had budget issues then....but the repetitiveness still drove
> > one crazy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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Not to agree with wikipedia but they obviously caoght something that bothered me for years. Icarus was some fan made name for Taylors ship some 10 years ago or so. It {ship] never really had a name and when I did read about Taylors ship with a name it was something similiar to icarus or out of Boulles book. Im just getting up now and im getting my coffee so in alittle while ill figure out what that name was. Icarus it wasnt, and a name for the ship was never intended, it was a fan creation...Write later, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@...> wrote:
>
> The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
>
> According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
>
> "Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"
>
> Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
>

Me again, fans should go to that WIKIA site their they have the name of a guy named Larry Evans who created the name for a toy mockup. In the scripts their seemed to be a number of names all ending with numbers like Liberty 1 and so on. A real authentic name is pure conjecture. I never really cared in all honesty, but I love to see fans argue over something they know nothing about..Take care..

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@...> wrote:
>
> The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
>
> According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
>
> "Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"
>
> Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...
>
> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
>

Unfortunately, Rise of the Apes will use the name "Icarus" for Taylor's ship. (Though it can't be the same Taylor, though, for reasons I won't go into here for spoiler reasons.) Personally, I'm partial to the name "Liberty-1," which the Blu-ray set christened the ship.


--"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

>
> Not to agree with wikipedia but they obviously caoght something that bothered me for years. Icarus was some fan made name for Taylors ship some 10 years ago or so. It {ship] never really had a name and when I did read about Taylors ship with a name it was something similiar to icarus or out of Boulles book. Im just getting up now and im getting my coffee so in alittle while ill figure out what that name was. Icarus it wasnt, and a name for the ship was never intended, it was a fan creation...Write later, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@> wrote:
> >
> > The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
> >
> > According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
> >
> > "Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"
> >
> > Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...
> >
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
> >
>

The scrips contained a single name: "Immigrant One," which appeared in a rejected draft by Charles Eastman. Evans' fan name, "Icarus," was later used by toy model companies, as well as in Mr. Comics' "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" miniseries. And the name "Air Force One" appeared in a test set of Topps collectible cards. In 2008, the Blu-ray film "A Public Service Announcement From ANSA" dubbed the ship "Liberty 1," which is the name I prefer since it's ironic, given the 1968 film's ending. Naming the ship "Icarus" never made any sense to me, given the nature of that myth.


--"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

>
> Me again, fans should go to that WIKIA site their they have the name of a guy named Larry Evans who created the name for a toy mockup. In the scripts their seemed to be a number of names all ending with numbers like Liberty 1 and so on. A real authentic name is pure conjecture. I never really cared in all honesty, but I love to see fans argue over something they know nothing about..Take care..
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@> wrote:
> >
> > The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
> >
> > According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
> >
> > "Comment—Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"
> >
> > Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...
> >
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
> >
>

The Malibu four issue APE NATION crossover between Planet of the Apes and Alien Nation was decent.

After reading that series on a subsequent trip bought the APE CITY series set in Europe. Talk about buyers remorse. No wonder they were in the bargain bin at the comic book shop.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> You're not alone Rich.
>
> I remember that they they were not the best of comics from either the
> art or the stories. But I still enjoyed them none the less. I actually
> enjoyed the lame Jojo and Frito comedy. I'm still looking for issue #15
> and the annual so that I can someday sit down and read them all again.
>
> Besides, at the time, there was not much of anything new in Ape fandom,
> so I was thrilled to stumble upon them.
>
> Perhaps a factor in my lack of disappointment was the fact that I paid
> 25 cents apiece for almost all of them. ;)
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rassmguy <handleyr@...>
> Date: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 8:06 am
> Subject: [pota] Re: Boom! Issue #2 Cover
>
> > I sometimes feel like I'm the only unapologetic fan of the Malibu
> > line. I'm a lone voice in the wilderness. :)
> >
> >
>

It's too bad you don't like the comics form. I agree, most comics are juvenile, but then again, so are most movies, most novels, most TV - most everything created to be pop-culture art is below par. The format of comics themselves is no better or worse than any other format. And comics are capable of creating Maus, Stuck Rubber Baby, Watchmen, Dark Knight, Blankets, Contract with God, and other towering and touching works.

I promise, I'm gonna buy these books, and if they truly don't work, I'll be the first to admit it. But personally, comics is one of my favorite storytelling mediums, and I'm happy as a pink little monkey that we've got new POTA on the way in any form.

Ty the Guy

On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

I like the cover, actually. Yup, it's not the same costuming we've seen before, but it's the heart of the scripts that are going to make or break the story. Way better to get POTA comics that are willing to play around than no POTA comic at all. It adds to the grand world of the genre no matter what it does, and BOOM does pretty good comics in general.

Ty the Guy

What are comics? For me, and I include the graphic novel, the term comic generally implies a juvenile, simple-minded plot created to appeal to an adolescent mind.

Looks to me like that is what BOOM is going to deliver, that's probably what will sell the most, and that's probably what I'll mostly ignore.

--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com

http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage

www.twitter.com/tytempleton

We don't know yet whether "Rise" will include the Taylor nod.
Taking the blu-ray thing as gospel is also something to discuss. Yeah, it's official but how much sway should a blu-ray extra have? They can just come in here and give all the background for Taylor and Co.? It's not even a story.



From: rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:59 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Wikipedia madness: Icarus spacecraft entry to be deleted



Unfortunately, Rise of the Apes will use the name "Icarus" for Taylor's ship. (Though it can't be the same Taylor, though, for reasons I won't go into here for spoiler reasons.) Personally, I'm partial to the name "Liberty-1," which the Blu-ray set christened the ship.

--"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

>
> Not to agree with wikipedia but they obviously caoght something that bothered me for years. Icarus was some fan made name for Taylors ship some 10 years ago or so. It {ship] never really had a name and when I did read about Taylors ship with a name it was something similiar to icarus or out of Boulles book. Im just getting up now and im getting my coffee so in alittle while ill figure out what that name was. Icarus it wasnt, and a name for the ship was never intended, it was a fan creation...Write later, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@> wrote:
> >
> > The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
> >
> > According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
> >
> > "Comment-Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"
> >
> > Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...
> >
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
> >
>

And how much sway should we give unused scripts? This weekend I'll post my opinion of Rich's books (I love them but I do have some side thoughts).


From: rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 8:08 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Wikipedia madness: Icarus spacecraft entry to be deleted



The scrips contained a single name: "Immigrant One," which appeared in a rejected draft by Charles Eastman. Evans' fan name, "Icarus," was later used by toy model companies, as well as in Mr. Comics' "Revolution on the Planet of the Apes" miniseries. And the name "Air Force One" appeared in a test set of Topps collectible cards. In 2008, the Blu-ray film "A Public Service Announcement From ANSA" dubbed the ship "Liberty 1," which is the name I prefer since it's ironic, given the 1968 film's ending. Naming the ship "Icarus" never made any sense to me, given the nature of that myth.

--"JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

>
> Me again, fans should go to that WIKIA site their they have the name of a guy named Larry Evans who created the name for a toy mockup. In the scripts their seemed to be a number of names all ending with numbers like Liberty 1 and so on. A real authentic name is pure conjecture. I never really cared in all honesty, but I love to see fans argue over something they know nothing about..Take care..
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "psiworld" <psiworld@> wrote:
> >
> > The Wikipedia entry for the spacecraft used in the Planet of the Apes movies will soon be deleted. Something about not being notable.
> >
> > According to the offended Wikipedia editor...
> >
> > "Comment-Wikipedia is not a fansite nor is it a meeting point for film enthusiasts on a scavenger hunt for props. Sottolacqua (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)"
> >
> > Perhaps other Planet of the Apes fans might want to respond and provide feedback...
> >
> > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Icarus_%28Planet_of_the_Apes%29
> >
>

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*** While the costuming may not make or break the story, if you have the
artistic ability and the rights to do "classic" APES, then why not do it? Why
travel down the road of drawing steroid using Mc Farlane looking apes when
you can do what you know is the expected norm? I wouldn't expect someone
doing a new SW story to suddenly think it'd be cool to draw Yoda as an ultra
lean 6 foot tall creature... That extreme wouldn't work, and drastic changes to
the APES look doesn't work either... I mean if they'd be doing their own
"new" take on the APES name (like the 2001 film did), then fine draw whatever
you want, but if you're advertising it as being in the original vein, then
it should fit in with that look/style...

As far as playing around, that could be good or bad... A little mixing it
up might be okay, but there was too much "playing around" with the APES name
with a lot of the original MARVEL stuff and way too much in the ADVENTURE
series.... I'd rather have nothing if it means we're gonna end up with things
comparable to APE-SLAYER, APE-NATION, or what TERROR quickly degenerated
into... ***




In a message dated 3/3/2011 4:01:27 AM Central Standard Time,
tybunny@... writes:

> Yup, it's not the same costuming we've seen before, but it's the heart of
> the scripts that are going to make or break the story. Way better to get
> POTA comics that are willing to play around than no POTA comic at all.

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*** I never liked that name being accepted as "canon" either... I'm pretty
sure that name has been out there for more than ten years though... I
thought he coined it in the 70s? ***



In a message dated 3/3/2011 8:56:30 AM Central Standard Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:

> Not to agree with wikipedia but they obviously caught something that
> bothered me for years. Icarus was some fan made name for Taylors ship some 10
> years ago or so.

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*** One reason that it's not the same Taylor is that the ROTA story is
supposed to be in the current day, so it can't be the same Taylor mission: That
flight took off 40 years earlier... And another reason it can't be the same
Taylor is there are all new characters running around with the names of his
crew... ***



In a message dated 3/3/2011 11:27:07 AM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> Unfortunately, Rise of the Apes will use the name "Icarus" for Taylor's
> ship. (Though it can't be the same Taylor, though, for reasons I won't go
> into here for spoiler reasons.)

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*** Not just the test set, it's on the regular release set of the movie
cards too... ***


In a message dated 3/3/2011 11:28:15 AM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> .And the name "Air Force One" appeared in a test set of Topps collectible
> cards.

</HTML>

Ty, I agree with every word you say. I think it's all too easy for people to dismiss the entire comics industry as a medium, but it doesn't make any sense. It's like saying all books are juvenile, or all movies, or all TV shows. Some of the most intelligent and powerful books I've ever read have been illustrated--and Alan Moore has written a number of them. (Imagine what HE could do with a Planet of the Apes comic. His Star Wars comics were some of the best I've ever read.)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> It's too bad you don't like the comics form. I agree, most comics are
> juvenile, but then again, so are most movies, most novels, most TV - most
> everything created to be pop-culture art is below par. The format of comics
> themselves is no better or worse than any other format. And comics are
> capable of creating Maus, Stuck Rubber Baby, Watchmen, Dark Knight,
> Blankets, Contract with God, and other towering and touching works.
>
> I promise, I'm gonna buy these books, and if they truly don't work, I'll be
> the first to admit it. But personally, comics is one of my favorite
> storytelling mediums, and I'm happy as a pink little monkey that we've got
> new POTA on the way in any form.
>
> Ty the Guy
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 10:02 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > I like the cover, actually. Yup, it's not the same costuming we've seen
> > before, but it's the heart of the scripts that are going to make or break
> > the story. Way better to get POTA comics that are willing to play around
> > than no POTA comic at all. It adds to the grand world of the genre no
> > matter what it does, and BOOM does pretty good comics in general.
> >
> > Ty the Guy
> >
> >
> > What are comics? For me, and I include the graphic novel, the term *comic
> > * generally implies a juvenile, simple-minded plot created to appeal to an
> > adolescent mind.
> >
> > Looks to me like that is what BOOM is going to deliver, that's probably
> > what will sell the most, and that's probably what I'll mostly ignore.
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Ty Templeton's Art Land
> www.tytempleton.com
>
> http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage
>
> www.twitter.com/tytempleton
>

*** I agree with both of you on this one... While I'm not heavily into
comics, they're valid forms of storytelling... I can see Rory's point of
thinking they're "juvenile", but it for me it depends more on the content than the
form... ***



In a message dated 3/3/2011 3:56:14 PM Central Standard Time,
handleyr@... writes:

> Ty, I agree with every word you say. I think it's all too easy for people
> to dismiss the entire comics industry as a medium, but it doesn't make any
> sense. It's like saying all books are juvenile, or all movies, or all TV
> shows. Some of the most intelligent and powerful books I've ever read have
> been illustrated--and Alan Moore has written a number of them. (Imagine what
> HE could do with a Planet of the Apes comic. His Star Wars comics were
> some of the best I've ever read.)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's too bad you don't like the comics form. I agree, most comics are
> > juvenile, but then again, so are most movies, most novels, most TV - most
> > everything created to be pop-culture art is below par. The format of
> comics
> > themselves is no better or worse than any other format.

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Sorry if this has been covered already, but is there any indication when these BOOM issues are due out? I don't want to miss them. Thanks in advance!

True, the Icarus name has been out their for alot more than 10 years but I did not take it serious until about 10 years ago when I started the whole computer thing and saw the name on a model kit....Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I never liked that name being accepted as "canon" either... I'm pretty
> sure that name has been out there for more than ten years though... I
> thought he coined it in the 70s? ***
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/3/2011 8:56:30 AM Central Standard Time,
> johnmermigas@... writes:
>
>
> > Not to agree with wikipedia but they obviously caught something that
> > bothered me for years. Icarus was some fan made name for Taylors ship some 10
> > years ago or so.
>
> </HTML>
>

BEAUTIFUL!!!! Congrats!!!............joe OBrien

> > In a message dated 3/2/2011 3:19:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> > handleyr@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > While looking around, I found all 50 issues for a quarter apiece, so I
> > > ended up coming home with the entire Malibu line for less than $13.

Hi, Joe! How's it going, my friend? I had no idea you were on this group.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "joey" <job1866@...> wrote:
> BEAUTIFUL!!!! Congrats!!!............joe OBrien
>
>
> > > In a message dated 3/2/2011 3:19:10 PM Central Standard Time,
> > > handleyr@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > While looking around, I found all 50 issues for a quarter apiece, so I
> > > > ended up coming home with the entire Malibu line for less than $13.
>

*** Aren't they due out in April? ***



In a message dated 3/3/2011 7:22:36 PM Central Standard Time,
mstanley@... writes:

> Sorry if this has been covered already, but is there any indication when
> these BOOM issues are due out?

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I get real busy writing so I'm a lurker but I do read the group digests and yes on the Boom Apes for April.............joe

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Joe! How's it going, my friend? I had no idea you were on this group.

Some comics are juvenile.Some novels are juvenile.Some movies are juvenile.Some politicians are juvenile.Many comics, however, are anything but juvenile.Apart from obvious stuff like Maus, Watchmen,From Hell et al, there are many stories within the much maligned superhero genre that are jaw dropping.Way back in the early 80s, Chris Claremont's seminal 'God Loves,Man Kills' was an X-Men tale that explored racism.A few years ago, a story about Magneto called 'Testament' was hailed as a sincere and moving exploration of the Holocaust.Batman's 'The Killing Joke' or 'Arkham Asylum' are as disturbing and upsetting as any modern movie thriller.Comics actually underpin most cinema offerings today--not just in terms of origin material but because they are the storyboard technique used to plot, pace and map out a movie---many films are simply animated comics, in reality.In Apes, I've seen reviews that describe Future History Chronicles as 'mind searing'--and it is.It's brilliant.Comics are not, nowadays, 'juvenile'.They're a great medium for accessible and, indeed, affordable storytelling.You're missing out if you buy the 'juvenile' myth.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** I agree with both of you on this one... While I'm not heavily into
> comics, they're valid forms of storytelling... I can see Rory's point of
> thinking they're "juvenile", but it for me it depends more on the content than the
> form... ***
>
>
>
>

I see Warner Bros are looking to buy the rights to Bladerunner, allowing them to do prequels and sequels and create a franchise.Franchise seems to be the 'word' nowadays, so here's to Rise 2 and 3.John, Scrolls.

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I LOVE this! I've been fascinated with the idea of the history of the Mutant civilisation that went its own way whilst the Apes were a-rising.I'm looking forward to this saga over the next weeks.Thanks! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Happy Friday! I'm pleased to announce the first installment of: THE
> MENDEZ DYNASTY, biographies of the Keepers of the Divine Bomb. Thanks to
> Dave Ballard and Peter Karsten for their advice and guidance.
>
> To view the biography of MENDEZ the first, click on the banner on the
> Yahoo Home page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> .
>
> Also, Brent meets MENDEZ XXVI in 'The Horror Inquisition', Part 4 of
> Marvel's comic adaptation of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" in the
> MARVEL ARCHIVE .
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original
> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more.
> * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
> * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius.
> * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
> * The Illustrated Monkey Planet
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm> - Hungarian
> comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
> * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot.
> * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members.
> * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
> * The Photos Section
> <http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos> - POTA pics
> contributed by members.
>

Why is it that The Amazing Spider-Man has an active web site, when it is a movie due out in July 2012, but Rise of the Apes ,due out in Nov 2011,seems to be being released using stealth technology? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Farrow" <theskulpter@...> wrote:
>
> Great news, as I thought after seeing the clip that they changes Casar
> from a chimp to a gorilla.They really had me going lol.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, that was definitely "King Kong". For starters, Serkis doesn't play a gorilla in "Rise".
> >
> > Colleen Atwood also won an Oscar last night (her 3rd?). She did the costumes for POTA2001.
> >
> > And when they showed the clips from the Governor's Ball they played the "Henry V" music by Patrick "Rise of the Apes" Doyle.
> >
> >
>

Excellent work, James! I look forward to seeing more of these.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Happy Friday! I'm pleased to announce the first installment of: THE
> MENDEZ DYNASTY, biographies of the Keepers of the Divine Bomb. Thanks to
> Dave Ballard and Peter Karsten for their advice and guidance.
>
> To view the biography of MENDEZ the first, click on the banner on the
> Yahoo Home page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> .
>
> Also, Brent meets MENDEZ XXVI in 'The Horror Inquisition', Part 4 of
> Marvel's comic adaptation of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" in the
> MARVEL ARCHIVE .
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original
> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more.
> * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
> * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius.
> * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
> * The Illustrated Monkey Planet
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm> - Hungarian
> comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
> * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot.
> * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members.
> * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
> * The Photos Section
> <http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos> - POTA pics
> contributed by members.
>

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I have to agree. It totally unofficial and I've never been fond of the name Icarus either. It's like why don't we name it the Titanic.

I never like the Liberty 1 name either. Just too cutsey for me and it doesn't fit with how Nasa named projects and missions in that period. Plus it's a official as the trading card set which named the ship Air Force 1.

I prefer to think of it simply as Taylor's ship.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Not to agree with wikipedia but they obviously caoght something that bothered me for years. Icarus was some fan made name for Taylors ship some 10 years ago or so. It {ship] never really had a name and when I did read about Taylors ship with a name it was something similiar to icarus or out of Boulles book. Im just getting up now and im getting my coffee so in alittle while ill figure out what that name was. Icarus it wasnt, and a name for the ship was never intended, it was a fan creation...Write later, John M.
>

Back in the day a lot of people thought of POTA as "kids' stuff" (some still do). That's why the budgets for the sequels were so low. I'll take each story as it comes and not have preconceived notions, except about the past work of the people involved. I agree there's too much superhero stuff these days but there's a big difference between "The Fantastic Four" movie and "The Dark Knight".


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 8:00 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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At least that list had "Lolita" on it, so I know it's not totally crap, but I notice that not only isn't Boulle's POTA on it, but not even "The Bridge Over The River Kwai."

As for "Watchman"... it just doesn't appeal to me. Anything with a superhero, with fantastic powers... that's just kid stuff to me. Haven't been into it since I watch "Superman" repeats with George Reeves back in the sixties.

I'm a kid of the sixties. To me, superheroes are camp, like the "Batman" TV series. I just can't take it seriously.

-- Rory

BTW.... back in '68, Time magazine called PLANET "not much better than an average episode of "Star Trek." I've never trusted Time since.

> I prefer to think of it simply as Taylor's ship.
> >

Me Too!, John M.

Absolutly. Comic heroes cater to a nebbish factor in society. Some can be good but to me no matter how good it will always be a kids medium. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Why is it that The Amazing Spider-Man has an active web site, when it is a movie due out in July 2012, but Rise of the Apes ,due out in Nov 2011,seems to be being released using stealth technology? John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> Because there's an army of geeks out there with hardons for Spiderman. I don't get it, but there it is. What can I say? Our culture is in the crapper. When serious literary critics think superhero fiction is great literature, well, it's time for the apes to take over. They couldn't do much worse.
>

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:29 AM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

Excellent work, James! I look forward to seeing more of these.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Happy Friday! I'm pleased to announce the first installment of: THE
> MENDEZ DYNASTY, biographies of the Keepers of the Divine Bomb. Thanks to
> Dave Ballard and Peter Karsten for their advice and guidance.
>
> To view the biography of MENDEZ the first, click on the banner on the
> Yahoo Home page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> .
>
> Also, Brent meets MENDEZ XXVI in 'The Horror Inquisition', Part 4 of
> Marvel's comic adaptation of "Beneath the Planet of the Apes" in the
> MARVEL ARCHIVE .
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website

> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original

> POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more.
> * Lessons from the Lawgiver

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words

> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
> * Cornelius' Journal

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs

> of Dr. Cornelius.
> * Ape City Chronicles

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First

> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
> * The Illustrated Monkey Planet

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm> - Hungarian

> comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
> * POTA Locations

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -

> The places where the POTA films were shot.
> * The Art Gallery

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -

> Works of POTA Art by our members.
> * The Database Section

> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info

> ranging from Characters to Comics.
> * The Photos Section

> <http://movies.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos> - POTA pics
> contributed by members.
>

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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 6:08 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:

Some comics are juvenile.Some novels are juvenile.Some movies are juvenile.Some politicians are juvenile.Many comics, however, are anything but juvenile.Apart from obvious stuff like Maus, Watchmen,From Hell et al, there are many stories within the much maligned superhero genre that are jaw dropping.Way back in the early 80s, Chris Claremont's seminal 'God Loves,Man Kills' was an X-Men tale that explored racism.A few years ago, a story about Magneto called 'Testament' was hailed as a sincere and moving exploration of the Holocaust.Batman's 'The Killing Joke' or 'Arkham Asylum' are as disturbing and upsetting as any modern movie thriller.Comics actually underpin most cinema offerings today--not just in terms of origin material but because they are the storyboard technique used to plot, pace and map out a movie---many films are simply animated comics, in reality.In Apes, I've seen reviews that describe Future History Chronicles as 'mind searing'--and it is.It's brilliant.Comics are not, nowadays, 'juvenile'.They're a great medium for accessible and, indeed, affordable storytelling.You're missing out if you buy the 'juvenile' myth.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>

> *** I agree with both of you on this one... While I'm not heavily into
> comics, they're valid forms of storytelling... I can see Rory's point of
> thinking they're "juvenile", but it for me it depends more on the content than the
> form... ***
>
>
>
>

--
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See, to me, it seems more than a little ridiculous to say that comic books are for kids and not to be taken seriously when we're on a discussion group devoted to films and TV shows about talking apes. It's kind of like a person with greasy hair insulting a person with bad acne for being unattractive.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Absolutly. Comic heroes cater to a nebbish factor in society. Some can be good but to me no matter how good it will always be a kids medium. John M.
>

*** So we're in for possibly two or three times the boredom we already have
from the original BLADERUNNER? ;) ***


In a message dated 3/4/2011 5:27:59 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> I see Warner Bros are looking to buy the rights to Bladerunner, allowing
> them to do prequels and sequels and create a franchise.

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*** I would guess it's because SPIDERMAN is still a somewhat "hot"
franchise... They probably have a built in audience now and the website is there to
not only promote the forthcoming film but to keep the interest sparked all
around... APES has been pretty "dormant" for the last ten years, but if ROTA
is a hit and generates a renewed following for APES, then FOX might do a
website? And if nothing else, the films "star" is getting enough (over)exposure
so that might help in the end... If people aren't sick of Franco by
November that is...***



In a message dated 3/4/2011 6:27:54 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> Why is it that The Amazing Spider-Man has an active web site, when it is
> a movie due out in July 2012, but Rise of the Apes ,due out in Nov
> 2011,seems to be being released using stealth technology?

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HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!..................joB

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** So we're in for possibly two or three times the boredom we already have
> from the original BLADERUNNER? ;) ***
>
>
> In a message dated 3/4/2011 5:27:59 AM Central Standard Time,
> johnroche49@... writes:
>
>
> > I see Warner Bros are looking to buy the rights to Bladerunner, allowing
> > them to do prequels and sequels and create a franchise.
>
> </HTML>
>

If the new film does better than our wildest dreams and revives the franchise (vile word) can a broadway show be far behind?

And I don't mean a show with stupid death-defying stunts, a crappy score by U2 or a Simpsons musical parody.

I'm talking about gorillas on horseback galloping down the aisles, Icarus crashing into a humumgous water tank and Taylor screaming "Damn you all to hell" to a life-sized Statue of Liberty as the lights go down.

Not a staged comicbook, but a kick-ass operatic rendition of the first film with a stage full of damned dirty apes.

And get Charlie Sheen to play Taylor. I hear he's available. "Me against apes? Duh, winning! I've got Ursus blood and Zaius DNA, dude."

This is happening people, don't doubt it for a second. You heard it here first.

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There's an earlier script for Beneath that has the mutants mutated in wild and fascinating ways---budget obviously killed that.It's interesting how we---me included--totally identify with the Apes, rather than our Mutant relations.That's the big trick that Tim Burton missed---his Apes were alien, OUR Apes are more human than us.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I LOVE this! I've been fascinated with the idea of the history of the Mutant civilisation that went its own way whilst the Apes were a-rising.I'm looking forward to this saga over the next weeks.Thanks! John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Those mutants were nothin' but a bunch of scabby fungus eaters. I'll stick with apes.
>
> -- Rory
>

Well, them's fightin' words young man.I'm proud to say I rejoice in the fact that I'm a total Spider-Man geek and have been for four decades now.In fact, last year, I had a letter printed in Amazing Spidey, complaining about him being portrayed getting drunk and having casual sex(so, so childish, that).Peter Parker is one of the great, great literary creations of the 20th Century and the first Spidey movie was a success because of Peter, not any special effects.If you've never read The Death of Gwen Stacy, or read the heart wrending death of Harry Osborn, you've missed out on some true drama.Shakespeare used witches and ghosts as literary devices to tell a story and the superhero medium is just a framework for telling stories.After all, isn't the original Planet of the Apes using Apes as a device to tell a story about Man? The bonus with comics is that you can get some great art too.Ask Ty--he gave us an ass on the Black Cat a little while back that still makes me grin.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Why is it that The Amazing Spider-Man has an active web site, when it is a movie due out in July 2012, but Rise of the Apes ,due out in Nov 2011,seems to be being released using stealth technology? John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> Because there's an army of geeks out there with hardons for Spiderman. I don't get it, but there it is. What can I say? Our culture is in the crapper. When serious literary critics think superhero fiction is great literature, well, it's time for the apes to take over. They couldn't do much worse.
>

Who do I have to blow/kill to make this musical happen???!!!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rthurbin1@...> wrote:
>
> If the new film does better than our wildest dreams and revives the franchise (vile word) can a broadway show be far behind?
>
> And I don't mean a show with stupid death-defying stunts, a crappy score by U2 or a Simpsons musical parody.
>
> I'm talking about gorillas on horseback galloping down the aisles, Icarus crashing into a humumgous water tank and Taylor screaming "Damn you all to hell" to a life-sized Statue of Liberty as the lights go down.
>
> Not a staged comicbook, but a kick-ass operatic rendition of the first film with a stage full of damned dirty apes.
>
> And get Charlie Sheen to play Taylor. I hear he's available. "Me against apes? Duh, winning! I've got Ursus blood and Zaius DNA, dude."
>
> This is happening people, don't doubt it for a second. You heard it here first.
>