Been reading about the mega flop 'Mars Needs Moms'.Sunday Times review--'raised awkward questions about the use of complex computer technology and the fickle tastes of financially hard-pressed audiences'.Also, 'More troubling for Hollywood were suggestions that motion-capture technology--the mix of animation and live actors championed by Zemeckis--has becomr less appealing to audiences impressed with livelier, wholly computer generated productions...'.Hopefully Rise of the Apes doesn't fall into this disaster-zone.But I AM worried! Rise is pretty much a last chance saloon for the Apes franchise, so let's hope for the best.John, Scrolls.

Very cool! Thanks for the pics.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Lots of fake POTA PEZ show up on ebay from time to time.
>
>
> Dario
>

That's great. I love the Power Records ad.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, William Burge <billburge48@...> wrote:
>
> dear group, here are a few planet items to view. enjoy from william burge
>

I used foxmovies@... and the simliar ones on foxs web site. Just sent a few everywhere. Ask my kids to do the same on their computers and on their husbands so it seemed like 8 different people sent inquiries. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I know it wouldnt do nothing but I sent an e-mail about a month ago to Fox to call the new apes "The Birth of the Planet of the Apes". You see we do think alike...Take care John M.
>
>
>
>
>
> There's someone here that wants to know Fox's email address(es).
>

No, it just looked terrible. And the title was awful. Kids aren't going to want to see a movie with "Moms" in the title.
What happened to Bloom County's Berke Breathed? He got all warm and squishy. He did a George Lucas. How the mighty have fallen.
Once more from the top. "Rise of the Apes" CG is being done by the people who did "Avatar", "District 9", "Lord of the Rings" and "King Kong". Not Zemeckis' people or the people who did the POTA blu-ray Lawgiver.


From: johnroche49
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 5:52 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Rise Needs Luck?



Been reading about the mega flop 'Mars Needs Moms'.Sunday Times review--'raised awkward questions about the use of complex computer technology and the fickle tastes of financially hard-pressed audiences'.Also, 'More troubling for Hollywood were suggestions that motion-capture technology--the mix of animation and live actors championed by Zemeckis--has becomr less appealing to audiences impressed with livelier, wholly computer generated productions...'.Hopefully Rise of the Apes doesn't fall into this disaster-zone.But I AM worried! Rise is pretty much a last chance saloon for the Apes franchise, so let's hope for the best.John, Scrolls.

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Suits are, for the most part, self important idiots,

living off the creativity of others.  It amazes me that

they can even make a living.  In any other business

they wouldn't be able to find work.  But in Hollywood?

they can trash half a dozen projects, collapse a studio,

take a long weekend, and be at work across the street

Monday morning!  What other industry works like that?

None! -- with the possible exception of the Civil Service.

 

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 10:57:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

No, it just looked terrible. And the title was awful. Kids aren't going to want to see a movie with "Moms" in the title.

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LOL! It was last time as well.

And all the actors said, "I'll do

it if Tim does! I'd jump out of a

window for Tim!" An Burton said,

"I'd rather jump out of a window!"

 

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 11:59:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Whether or not a sequel actually gets a go will depend on the B.O. for RISE, but a sequel will already be in the beginning planning stages.

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I heard a really interesting guy talking about

Myths on the radio last night.  He said Myth

allows you to talk about Truths through the

ages without other stuff getting in the way.

Conversely, religion distorts Truths over time. 

And if you can get people to believe something

ridiculous, you can get them to commit atrocities.

This makes a lot of sense, in that If someone told

you some of the stuff in religions today, you'd call 911.

It ties into something I wrote a while back (see Tiiism

in the Urban Dictionary) about religion and Truths.

 

In a message dated 3/21/2011 11:59:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I have to admit, I've never read anything by Joseph Campbell, not that I can recall anyway.  The subject of myths doesn't really interest me.

 

-- Rory

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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:49 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Very cool! Thanks for the pics.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Lots of fake POTA PEZ show up on ebay from time to time.
>
>
> Dario
>

I didn't look at the pictures in this message, but I'm guessing they're the
same one that you posted at the MM?

In any case, from what I seen over there, these look very good... The
profile shot especially captures his likeness...




In a message dated 3/21/2011 5:21:46 PM Central Standard Time,
jessicarotich@... writes:

> Here are photos of Alex's Burke sculpt. He says he is almost
> finished--just doing some minor details before he is fully cured in the oven. I hope
> you like it because that's the best James Naughton headsculpt I have ever
> seen.
>
> Please help make this headsculpt a success for Alex. By success, I mean
> that at least 10 apes buy this specific headsculpt, and we can talk him into
> making a Virdon.
>

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That will work. --- On Mon, 3/21/11, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6 [4 Attachments] To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 6:11 PM   Here are photos of Alex's Burke sculpt.  He says he is almost finished--just doing some minor details before he is fully cured in the oven.  I hope you like it because that's the best James Naughton headsculpt I have ever seen.   Please help make this headsculpt a success for Alex.  By success, I mean that at least 10 apes buy this specific headsculpt, and we can talk him into making a Virdon.     On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 6:49 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:   Very cool! Thanks for the pics. --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote: > > Lots of fake POTA PEZ show up on ebay from time to time. > > > Dario >

On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote:

That will work.

I worked for the civil service for 30 years, its nowhere near what your talking about. In fact its a target for everything. God forbid you have some job security and the masses blame you for everything from communism to destroying America. Regan did a great job of propaganda, a former civil servant and union leader himself...I dont believe that you should have to have 10 years of college to have a decent wage. Anyway its all over now. One foolish war of recent years whipes out one hundred years of prosperity. Suits are the antithisis of civil servants. Firemen, Police, Teachers, Mailmen, Garbage collectors are the backbone not the cause of the USA's problems.
Sorry for going off topic but this country, and I hope the new Apes film engages the topic, is run like a Hot dog stand, no offense to hot dog vendors...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Suits are, for the most part, self important idiots,
> living off the creativity of others. It amazes me that
> they can even make a living. In any other business
> they wouldn't be able to find work. But in Hollywood?
> they can trash half a dozen projects, collapse a studio,
> take a long weekend, and be at work across the street
> Monday morning! What other industry works like that?
> None! -- with the possible exception of the Civil Service.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 3/21/2011 10:57:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> No, it just looked terrible. And the title was awful. Kids aren't going to
> want to see a movie with "Moms" in the title.
>

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Is it too late to get in on this? --- On Mon, 3/21/11, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 12:05 AM Stay tooned, ape fans!  Alex said that Burke was ready to go into the oven, so if he's happy with the sculpt, I'm happy.   Jess. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote:   Alex has been paid.   Jess - Galen sounds wild. I'm curious what your old version looked like. --- On Thu, 3/17/11, rob reading <readingrob@...> wrote: From: rob reading <readingrob@...> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 9:32 PM   Sorry Jess, did that sound a bit pushy. Do I remember you producing an amazing Galen 1/6th head? Rob To: pota@yahoogroups.com From: snickertown@... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:52:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6   Jess,   Will you post pix when the head is ready? I don't want anyone to miss it.

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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:14 PM, batmouse <batmoused1st@...> wrote:

Is it too late to get in on this? --- On Mon, 3/21/11, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 21, 2011, 12:05 AM Stay tooned, ape fans! Alex said that Burke was ready to go into the oven, so if he's happy with the sculpt, I'm happy. Jess. On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote: Alex has been paid. Jess - Galen sounds wild. I'm curious what your old version looked like. --- On Thu, 3/17/11, rob reading <readingrob@...> wrote: From: rob reading <readingrob@...> Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 9:32 PM Sorry Jess, did that sound a bit pushy. Do I remember you producing an amazing Galen 1/6th head? Rob To: pota@yahoogroups.com From: snickertown@... Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:52:00 -0700 Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Burke & Virdon 1/6 Jess, Will you post pix when the head is ready? I don't want anyone to miss it.

What's wrong with having 'Moms' in the title---'M.I.L.F'S VII, Meet Me at the School Gates' was a work of art!!! If offered the choice, would Apes fans prefer a critical or a box office success? I'm shallow enough to say that if it was a straight choice, box office wins every time in the long term interests of the franchise.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, it just looked terrible. And the title was awful. Kids aren't going to want to see a movie with "Moms" in the title.
> What happened to Bloom County's Berke Breathed? He got all warm and squishy. He did a George Lucas. How the mighty have fallen.
> Once more from the top. "Rise of the Apes" CG is being done by the people who did "Avatar", "District 9", "Lord of the Rings" and "King Kong". Not Zemeckis' people or the people who did the POTA blu-ray Lawgiver.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:

>
> What's wrong with having 'Moms' in the title---'M.I.L.F'S VII, Meet Me at the School Gates' was a work of art!!! If offered the choice, would Apes fans prefer a critical or a box office success? I'm shallow enough to say that if it was a straight choice, box office wins every time in the long term interests of the franchise.John, Scrolls.
>

Primarily, I want to see a good film that's aimed at an intelligent audience, even if it flopped. I'd rather one great film to remember than several mediocre films aimed at children and the popcorn munchers. Still, the best that'll happen is likely to be something in between, and maybe, and a big maybe, a few reasonable sequels will flow after that. Still, even at the lower levels of my expectations, I suppose there'll be something in the film to hold onto, but I'd rather aim high.


Graham F

Be careful what you ask for.

Burton's POTA was a critical disaster and while it did not become the
blockbuster movie Fox had hoped it would be, it actually made a tidy
sum. But the backlash in the reviews of both the critics and the general
population was so bad that Fox knew they would not have movie viewers
coming back for more, and that is what really killed the franchise at
that point. A case of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
on me."

It's true that a movie that gets rave reviews from the critics, but bomb
financially are not movies that studios want to put out. But even they
realize that over time these movies will always have some degree of
marketability. Because there is always some audience for a good movie,
just not as big as some of the flashy, stylistic ones.

So I think I'd rather have a critically sound modest hit than another
2001 mess.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 6:51 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise Needs Luck?

> What's wrong with having 'Moms' in the title---'M.I.L.F'S VII, Meet
> Me at the School Gates' was a work of art!!! If offered the choice,
> would Apes fans prefer a critical or a box office success? I'm
> shallow enough to say that if it was a straight choice, box office
> wins every time in the long term interests of the franchise.John,
> Scrolls.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> >
> > No, it just looked terrible. And the title was awful. Kids
> aren't going to want to see a movie with "Moms" in the title.
> > What happened to Bloom County's Berke Breathed? He got all warm
> and squishy. He did a George Lucas. How the mighty have fallen.
> > Once more from the top. "Rise of the Apes" CG is being done by
> the people who did "Avatar", "District 9", "Lord of the Rings" and
> "King Kong". Not Zemeckis' people or the people who did the POTA
> blu-ray Lawgiver.
> >
> >
>

Agree with you 100%. But the public, and I dont have to explain this, is into neutered men with sexual problems and comic book heroes with sexual problems. Some are good time killers but the constant catering to the under 25 year olds is getting very tired and dangerous. To me it seems that the young ones go to the movies and the movie is the last thing on their mind. The older people ,over 40, tend to buy the dvd or according to a poll I came across-Blurays. They dont go to see films in very large number for the reasons I stated. Wait till its on HBO, why bother?
I dont pretend to have an answer but times have changed since I was a child in the sixties and as far as films go the golden 70s. My kids all approaching 30 in general cant watch a film unless its like all the drivel today. They are extremely smart also, and im not saying this cause their mine.
Fox is in a precarious situation with Apes but their is alot of ideas in the Apes well to make a good movie that can appeal to everyone just like the originals. Burtons movie ,I hope, did not destroy the Apes Mythology or good Ape film making in general. Leaving the Zeigfeld theatre on opening day was amazing. The line was close to a 1000ft long, went around the corner twice and bought back many memories. I pray for the lines again but with a movie that deserves it. I hope the public will not hold a grudge.
I personally just want the original films available on Bluray with perfect SOUND and vision. The current edition is very good but it can be better, and the current POTA68 restoration is proof of that. Sorry for going on, take care, by the way what is all this talk about Virdons head and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. Please dont attack me but I was never into dolls and figuines, sorry if anybody is insulted or im sorry for being out of the loop. Bye, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Be careful what you ask for.
>
> Burton's POTA was a critical disaster and while it did not become the
> blockbuster movie Fox had hoped it would be, it actually made a tidy
> sum. But the backlash in the reviews of both the critics and the general
> population was so bad that Fox knew they would not have movie viewers
> coming back for more, and that is what really killed the franchise at
> that point. A case of "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame
> on me."
>
> It's true that a movie that gets rave reviews from the critics, but bomb
> financially are not movies that studios want to put out. But even they
> realize that over time these movies will always have some degree of
> marketability. Because there is always some audience for a good movie,
> just not as big as some of the flashy, stylistic ones.
>
> So I think I'd rather have a critically sound modest hit than another
> 2001 mess.
>
> Dario
>

Usually when Cable starts playing films so often like the POTA films its backhanded publicity and an attempt to garner intrest beacause something is down the pike. I could be wrong but I noticed this alot with franchises and other films in general, Who knows? Take care...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> This little tidbit from the article is interesting:
>
> "According to Exhumed Films' Dan Fraga, "as of August 1, 20th Century Fox is putting all the original Apes movies on moratorium due to the release of the upcoming James Franco prequel. Thus, this will be your last chance to see Planet of the Apes and all of its sequels in any U.S. theater for at least a few years."
>
>
>
> I wonder if that's true, and if so, if this is something that should be attended -- if possible? For me, it would mean taking several days off from work (at least three), driving "alot," renting motel rooms, and then seeing something where I have no idea of the actual print quality, the quality of the projection, the crowd -- if there is any --, watching PLANET at eleven in the morning, then spending the rest of the day watching the sequels, which I have "issues" with.
>
> Yeah, I'd probably enjoy it. At least I have a few months to decide.
>
> Getting back to the moratorium thing, I wonder if that will also apply to satellite/cable showings? Maybe that's why the APES films have been on so often lately.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:02 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia
>
>
>
>
>
> They say there will be posters and Tshirts! I'll be on the lookout for those!
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 9:24:28 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia
>
>
>
> Thanks for passing this along Hunter. I use to travel to Philly weekly on business. Too bad I don't anymore.
> Here's the direct link to the article mentioned: http://www.examiner.com/horror-movies-in-philadelphia/attention-philadelphia-exhumed-films-wants-you-to-go-ape
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia
> > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:31:30 -0400
> > From: Dan Fraga fragad@
> > To: goathunter@ goathunter@
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I've been a visitor to your site for a while; as a POTA fan, I enjoy and
> > appreciate it very much!
> >
> > Just thought you'd be interested to know that on Sunday July 31, my cult
> > film co-op, Exhumed Films, is presenting a GO APE marathon, featuring all
> > five POTA films shown back to back on the big screen. This is an official
> > screening, as we've got authorization& have paid rental fees through
> > Criterion Pictures, who handle repertory screenings of the APES films for
> > 20th Century Fox.
> >
> > The GO APE marathon will take place at the International House's Ibrahim
> > Theater in Philadelphia, a state-of-the-art screening room located on the
> > University of Pennsylvania campus. Tickets to the event are $20, and will
> > be available from our website in the near future. Show starts at 11:00 am
> > on July 31 and will run until approximately 8pm.
> >
> > Anyway, if you get a chance to mention the show on your site, I'd appreciate
> > it. We have a pretty decent following of fans& often sell out our events
> > (the theater holds 350 people), but any press is welcomed! Speaking of
> > press, here's a brief article about the show which also includes links to
> > our website& facebook page:
> >
> > http://www.examiner.com/horror-movies-in-p hiladelphia/attention-philadelphia-exhumed-films-wants-you-to-go-ape
> >
> > Thanks for reading, and take care.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Dan Fraga,
> > Exhumed Films
> >
> > www.exhumedfilms.com
> > www.facebook.com/exhumedfilms
> >
>

Agree. But the Blu-ray will put back the good stuff. The budget is lower than Burtons and with ten years passing its a good amount lower so maybe it will be an "R" film. That would be great simply because life is NC-17 and anything near this will atleast be an honest film. Life is not PG-13 but most crap films are...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Primarily, I want to see a good film that's aimed at an intelligent audience, even if it flopped. I'd rather one great film to remember than several mediocre films aimed at children and the popcorn munchers. Still, the best that'll happen is likely to be something in between, and maybe, and a big maybe, a few reasonable sequels will flow after that. Still, even at the lower levels of my expectations, I suppose there'll be something in the film to hold onto, but I'd rather aim high.
>
> Graham F
>
>
>
>
> I'm going to make another prediction: RISE will get an R rating from the MPAA for its violence at the end, but Fox will want the kids, so they'll edit it down to a PG-13.
>
> It'll be CONQUEST all over again in more ways than one.
>
> -- Rory
>

Its funny James, when you headlined the "FYI new release POTA", I thought for a moment (Boom studios, I know) that an announcment for a new POTA Blu-ray(from that restoration studio) was confirmed and that bit blew me away. When it was a comic it further made me loathe them. Its my problem and it just show whats important to each individual. Keep the information comming James, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@... wrote:
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:05 pm
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes
>
>
>
> Just FYI --- official release:
> PLANET OF THE APES COMES TO BOOM! STUDIOS! THIS APRIL - OFFICIAL RELEASE - http://eepurl.com/c5QlE
>
>
>
>
>
> ****************
>
> Chip Mosher
> Marketing Director
> BOOM! Studios
>
>
>
> Chip Mosher
> Marketing Director
> BOOM! Studios
>
>
> =
>

...BOOM! has posted an official press release regarding its upcoming POTA series:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/boom-studios-officially-announces-planet-of-the-apes-series.html"

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Usually when Cable starts playing films so often like the POTA films its backhanded publicity and an attempt to garner intrest beacause something is down the pike. I could be wrong but I noticed this alot with franchises and other films in general, Who knows? Take care...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> This little tidbit from the article is interesting:
>
> "According to Exhumed Films' Dan Fraga, "as of August 1, 20th Century Fox is putting all the original Apes movies on moratorium due to the release of the upcoming James Franco prequel. Thus, this will be your last chance to see Planet of the Apes and all of its sequels in any U.S. theater for at least a few years."
>
>
>
> I wonder if that's true, and if so, if this is something that should be attended -- if possible? For me, it would mean taking several days off from work (at least three), driving "alot," renting motel rooms, and then seeing something where I have no idea of the actual print quality, the quality of the projection, the crowd -- if there is any --, watching PLANET at eleven in the morning, then spending the rest of the day watching the sequels, which I have "issues" with.
>
> Yeah, I'd probably enjoy it. At least I have a few months to decide.
>
> Getting back to the moratorium thing, I wonder if that will also apply to satellite/cable showings? Maybe that's why the APES films have been on so often lately.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:02 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia
>
>
>
>
>
> They say there will be posters and Tshirts! I'll be on the lookout for those!
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thu, March 17, 2011 9:24:28 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia
>
>
>
> Thanks for passing this along Hunter. I use to travel to Philly weekly on business. Too bad I don't anymore.
> Here's the direct link to the article mentioned: http://www.examiner.com/horror-movies-in-philadelphia/attention-philadelphia-exhumed-films-wants-you-to-go-ape
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia
> > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 12:31:30 -0400
> > From: Dan Fraga fragad@
> > To: goathunter@ goathunter@
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > I've been a visitor to your site for a while; as a POTA fan, I enjoy and
> > appreciate it very much!
> >
> > Just thought you'd be interested to know that on Sunday July 31, my cult
> > film co-op, Exhumed Films, is presenting a GO APE marathon, featuring all
> > five POTA films shown back to back on the big screen. This is an official
> > screening, as we've got authorization& have paid rental fees through
> > Criterion Pictures, who handle repertory screenings of the APES films for
> > 20th Century Fox.
> >
> > The GO APE marathon will take place at the International House's Ibrahim
> > Theater in Philadelphia, a state-of-the-art screening room located on the
> > University of Pennsylvania campus. Tickets to the event are $20, and will
> > be available from our website in the near future. Show starts at 11:00 am
> > on July 31 and will run until approximately 8pm.
> >
> > Anyway, if you get a chance to mention the show on your site, I'd appreciate
> > it. We have a pretty decent following of fans& often sell out our events
> > (the theater holds 350 people), but any press is welcomed! Speaking of
> > press, here's a brief article about the show which also includes links to
> > our website& facebook page:
> >
> > http://www.examiner.com/horror-movies-in-p hiladelphia/attention-philadelphia-exhumed-films-wants-you-to-go-ape
> >
> > Thanks for reading, and take care.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Dan Fraga,
> > Exhumed Films
> >
> > www.exhumedfilms.com
> > www.facebook.com/exhumedfilms
> >
>

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No need to cram the Thanksgiving turkey in your mouth and get indigestion so that you can rush to the movie theater. Apes and turkeys no longer mix. Fox is moving "Rise of the Apes" from Thanksgiving to August 5th (2011, presumably). What does that make it, "Ape-gust"?

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/fox-moves-apes-prequel-to-august-5/

With Fox's announcement that "Apes" is moving to Aug. 5th, that pretty much cuts the wait time in half. It's only a little over a month later than the original June date. More interestingly, it puts it a little over a week after the 10th anniversary of POTA2001. A new "Ape" decade has begun (hopefully).
Of course that means we'll be getting trailers, images, etc. a lot sooner. We have to get our nails done, buy some nice clothes and get ready. And it begs the biggest question of all: What if they move it to April 5?!

I remember when Burton's film was coming out Fox refused to let books (like "POTA Revisited") use photos from the films (I guess behind the scenes pictures were different). I guess the basic idea is concentrate on the new, don't taint it with the old.
Recently there was a controversy where people wanted to see "Tron" before the sequel but it was on moratorium. Old "Tron" DVDs were selling for a pretty penny on e-bay. But the moratorium seems to end when the flick hits DVD. "Tron" will hit DVD the same time as it's sequel. When POTA2001 hit DVD, so did the TV show. But I don't know what the plan is if "Rise" is a hit and they plan sequels.
That August 1st date is interesting now that "Rise" has been moved to Aug. 5th.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:37 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia




This little tidbit from the article is interesting:

"According to Exhumed Films' Dan Fraga, "as of August 1, 20th Century Fox is putting all the original Apes movies on moratorium due to the release of the upcoming James Franco prequel. Thus, this will be your last chance to see Planet of the Apes and all of its sequels in any U.S. theater for at least a few years."

I wonder if that's true, and if so, if this is something that should be attended -- if possible? For me, it would mean taking several days off from work (at least three), driving "alot," renting motel rooms, and then seeing something where I have no idea of the actual print quality, the quality of the projection, the crowd -- if there is any --, watching PLANET at eleven in the morning, then spending the rest of the day watching the sequels, which I have "issues" with.

Yeah, I'd probably enjoy it. At least I have a few months to decide.

Getting back to the moratorium thing, I wonder if that will also apply to satellite/cable showings? Maybe that's why the APES films have been on so often lately.

-- Rory

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I'm far happier with a Summer release---might make for a good trailer campaign, too.I'm a bit disconcerted by the 'on the fly' approach that seems to be being taken, but we can roll with it.Hopefully, we'll be seeing some goodies soon to spice things up.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Those who thought Fox had pushed back "Rise of the Apes" to Thanksgiving to give the FX more time were...right. But now things seem to be going well and the studio feels it will benefit from being the final "event" picture of the summer.
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2011/03/james-franco-rise-of-the-apes.html"
>
> A Fox rep says, "The movie looks terrific and we think we can capitalize on the summer playtime by being the last tentpole of the summer".
>
> http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/fox-moves-rise-apes-august-5-25740
>
> Fox has had success with sci-fi in August before. In fact "Rise" hits 10 days before the 25th Anniversary of one of my all-time favorite films, Fox's remake of "The Fly". The first time I ever saw POTA in a theater was on a double bill with that.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flGCik0MMKo
>
> And since they moved "Rise of the Apes" tonight, I couldn't resist. ; )
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mRFWQoXq4c
>

Delighted to see Boom! weren't delayed by the re-scheduling of the movie.Next month we get to see some new, classic, canon, Apes.Can't wait!!!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>
> Its funny James, when you headlined the "FYI new release POTA", I thought for a moment (Boom studios, I know) that an announcment for a new POTA Blu-ray(from that restoration studio) was confirmed and that bit blew me away. When it was a comic it further made me loathe them. Its my problem and it just show whats important to each individual. Keep the information comming James, Take care, John M.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, JamesA1102@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:05 pm
> > Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes
> >
> >
> >
> > Just FYI --- official release:
> > PLANET OF THE APES COMES TO BOOM! STUDIOS! THIS APRIL - OFFICIAL RELEASE - http://eepurl.com/c5QlE
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ****************
> >
> > Chip Mosher
> > Marketing Director
> > BOOM! Studios
> >
> >
> >
> > Chip Mosher
> > Marketing Director
> > BOOM! Studios
> >
> >
> > =
> >
>

I live in NYC and would be interested in going....   Anyone going?   NYC DAVE.. --- On Tue, 3/22/11, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 22, 2011, 11:58 AM   Hey if anybody is going, I want a t-shirt!!  I'm a size small...please PM me and let me know how to get you $$.   Jess. -----Original Message----- From: Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 3:02 am Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia   They say there will be posters and Tshirts! I'll be on the lookout for those! Tim

I'm just south of Dover, DE; so I am definitely going. I bought a ticket for the Bethel Woods PotA screening in April, but I think I'll skip that now (to save the traveling expenses), since Exhumed will be showing all five films.

Scott

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:
>
> I live in NYC and would be interested in going....
> Â
> Anyone going?
> Â
> NYC DAVE..
>

Any word on who is doing the novelisation for 'Rise'? I love losing myself in an Apes novel---I usually prefer them to the actual movie.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> what is all this talk about Virdons head and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. Please dont attack me but I was never into dolls and figuines, sorry if anybody is insulted or im sorry for being out of the loop. Bye, John M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Having just recently been embroiled in the great comic book debate, I don't wish to get into another one, but I too have no interest in head sculpts to characters from parts of POTAdom I don't care that much about. However, as an APES fan that's sitting in a room at this moment where most of the Sideshow, Medicom and other things "geeky" are on display for no one other than me, I can't really talk. So, I just ignore the conversations here that I have little interest in. If the subject heading on the post is a thread I know isn't for me, I just delete without opening. If it's anything I should read, then I'll become aware of it eventually.
>
> -- Rory
>

Just a reminder, the Group Guidelines state:

If a topic or thread does not interest you please pass it by or start a new topic. Please do not put-down other members or try to shut down a thread because you are not interested in it. 

It might be a good idea for everyone to review the Group Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/26xdfz4

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Agree with you 100%. But the public, and I dont have to explain this, is into neutered men with sexual problems and comic book heroes with sexual problems. Some are good time killers but the constant catering to the under 25 year olds is getting very tired and dangerous. To me it seems that the young ones go to the movies and the movie is the last thing on their mind. The older people ,over 40, tend to buy the dvd or according to a poll I came across-Blurays. They dont go to see films in very large number for the reasons I stated. Wait till its on HBO, why bother?
> I dont pretend to have an answer but times have changed since I was a child in the sixties and as far as films go the golden 70s. My kids all approaching 30 in general cant watch a film unless its like all the drivel today. They are extremely smart also, and im not saying this cause their mine.
> Fox is in a precarious situation with Apes but their is alot of ideas in the Apes well to make a good movie that can appeal to everyone just like the originals. Burtons movie ,I hope, did not destroy the Apes Mythology or good Ape film making in general. Leaving the Zeigfeld theatre on opening day was amazing. The line was close to a 1000ft long, went around the corner twice and bought back many memories. I pray for the lines again but with a movie that deserves it. I hope the public will not hold a grudge.
> I personally just want the original films available on Bluray with perfect SOUND and vision. The current edition is very good but it can be better, and the current POTA68 restoration is proof of that. Sorry for going on, take care, by the way what is all this talk about Virdons head and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. Please dont attack me but I was never into dolls and figuines, sorry if anybody is insulted or im sorry for being out of the loop. Bye, John M.
>
>

I'm not sure this is good news. I could be wrong but typically the dog days of August is when the studios dump films they think are not that good.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No need to cram the Thanksgiving turkey in your mouth and get indigestion so that you can rush to the movie theater. Apes and turkeys no longer mix. Fox is moving "Rise of the Apes" from Thanksgiving to August 5th (2011, presumably). What does that make it, "Ape-gust"?
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/fox-moves-apes-prequel-to-august-5/
>

It is so far off I'm really not sure yet. In the meantime, on Saturday April 16th HBO Family will be doing a marathon of the sequels.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote:
>
> I live in NYC and would be interested in going....
>  
> Anyone going?
>  
> NYC DAVE..
>

Yeah, I take it to seriously Rory, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> what is all this talk about Virdons head and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. Please dont attack me but I was never into dolls and figuines, sorry if anybody is insulted or im sorry for being out of the loop. Bye, John M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Having just recently been embroiled in the great comic book debate, I don't wish to get into another one, but I too have no interest in head sculpts to characters from parts of POTAdom I don't care that much about. However, as an APES fan that's sitting in a room at this moment where most of the Sideshow, Medicom and other things "geeky" are on display for no one other than me, I can't really talk. So, I just ignore the conversations here that I have little interest in. If the subject heading on the post is a thread I know isn't for me, I just delete without opening. If it's anything I should read, then I'll become aware of it eventually.
>
> -- Rory
>

I love books too, but I know where your going with this staement.:)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Any word on who is doing the novelisation for 'Rise'? I love losing myself in an Apes novel---I usually prefer them to the actual movie.John, Scrolls.
>

Thanks for making me feel like a child. Their is nothing in that(My) statement ,other than being long and with poor spelling, that is off topic or argumentitive. Im responding to an ape issue. I also belong to an Audio site (engineer degree) and since it caters to adults they have no problems with skirting the edges of an issue. We are all different and I was encouraged to apeak my mind and express opinions. I guess their are rules here that im not abiding to and I apologize but arent most of us over 30 and understand that we are not all alike.
I understand that I can be abrasive but I was born that way(Ill give you my fathers phone number) and in college on debating teams this kind of light vitriol is encouraged. I always thought that these sites were mini debating clubs so I thoght no harm no foul. Its certainly a different world since POTA premeired.
I promise that you will hear less from me and the monotamy can continue. These are not insults, at most sarcasm, Take care, I thought I had found a home here but I was wrong. I know you have a job to do and you do it well but im giving my two weeks notice.,John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Just a reminder, the Group Guidelines state:
>
> If a topic or thread does not interest you please pass it by or start a
> new topic. Please do not put-down other members or try to shut down a
> thread because you are not interested in it.
>
> It might be a good idea for everyone to review the Group Guidelines:
> http://tinyurl.com/26xdfz4 <http://tinyurl.com/26xdfz4>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Agree with you 100%. But the public, and I dont have to explain this,
> is into neutered men with sexual problems and comic book heroes with
> sexual problems. Some are good time killers but the constant catering to
> the under 25 year olds is getting very tired and dangerous. To me it
> seems that the young ones go to the movies and the movie is the last
> thing on their mind. The older people ,over 40, tend to buy the dvd or
> according to a poll I came across-Blurays. They dont go to see films in
> very large number for the reasons I stated. Wait till its on HBO, why
> bother?
> > I dont pretend to have an answer but times have changed since I was a
> child in the sixties and as far as films go the golden 70s. My kids all
> approaching 30 in general cant watch a film unless its like all the
> drivel today. They are extremely smart also, and im not saying this
> cause their mine.
> > Fox is in a precarious situation with Apes but their is alot of ideas
> in the Apes well to make a good movie that can appeal to everyone just
> like the originals. Burtons movie ,I hope, did not destroy the Apes
> Mythology or good Ape film making in general. Leaving the Zeigfeld
> theatre on opening day was amazing. The line was close to a 1000ft long,
> went around the corner twice and bought back many memories. I pray for
> the lines again but with a movie that deserves it. I hope the public
> will not hold a grudge.
> > I personally just want the original films available on Bluray with
> perfect SOUND and vision. The current edition is very good but it can be
> better, and the current POTA68 restoration is proof of that. Sorry for
> going on, take care, by the way what is all this talk about Virdons head
> and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. Please dont attack me
> but I was never into dolls and figuines, sorry if anybody is insulted or
> im sorry for being out of the loop. Bye, John M.
> >
> >
>

True, financial quarters end every 3 months and this one is October. Very Interesting....John M

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> OK, it's been nearly an hour since I opened this post and I've been taking that time to try and compose myself -- because I don't like this news!
>
> I'm not ready to hit the panic button, but what this tells me is that this movie may be less than what I was hoping for. My positive vibe has suddenly become a little less positive and I strongly suspect that this movie may very well be on the level of the X-FILES and X-MEN movies that Fox has churned out.
>
> A late November release said to me that Fox may have seen RISE as something of a prestige picture, but this move to August says to me that the studio, despite whatever statements it's making, wants to just get it out there and get back whatever money it can sooner rather than later. I'm not saying they may think they have a weak picture, but that it's not all that they hoped for either.
>
> I'm not trying to be negative, just realistic. Now, a lot more will depend on what we see when the first trailer hits. I'm still feeling good about this movie, but not as good as yesterday.
>
> At least if there's going to be a new Blu-ray of the original, I have less time to wait -- unless that doesn't come out until RISE goes to Blu-ray.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Mar 22, 2011 9:24 pm
> Subject: [pota] "Rise of the Apes" moved to August 5th
>
>
>
>
>
> No need to cram the Thanksgiving turkey in your mouth and get indigestion so that you can rush to the movie theater. Apes and turkeys no longer mix. Fox is moving "Rise of the Apes" from Thanksgiving to August 5th (2011, presumably). What does that make it, "Ape-gust"?
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/fox-moves-apes-prequel-to-august-5/
>

No, she wasn't an early candidate for Zira or anything but she was probably Roddy's best friend and her effect on POTA could be summed up in one word: "Cleopatra". That was the movie that weakened Fox back in the "Apes" era. It didn't single-handedly turn the "Ape" budgets to mush but it was significant. Plus it gave Roddy an early opportunity to be called "Caesar". Soon Hollywood will try it again with Angelina Jolie as "Cleopatra" (directors like James Cameron and David Fincher have already been courted). Wouldn't it be cool if Andy Serkis played Roddy's role?
And of course Liz was a legend. I hope she and Roddy are reunited.

Sorry John, but your final statement (what is all this talk about Virdons head and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. ) was in violation of the Group Guidelines. No one is attacking you but you should not be attacking the interests of other members either.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnmermigas" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for making me feel like a child. Their is nothing in that(My) statement ,other than being long and with poor spelling, that is off topic or argumentitive. Im responding to an ape issue. I also belong to an Audio site (engineer degree) and since it caters to adults they have no problems with skirting the edges of an issue. We are all different and I was encouraged to apeak my mind and express opinions. I guess their are rules here that im not abiding to and I apologize but arent most of us over 30 and understand that we are not all alike.
> I understand that I can be abrasive but I was born that way(Ill give you my fathers phone number) and in college on debating teams this kind of light vitriol is encouraged. I always thought that these sites were mini debating clubs so I thoght no harm no foul. Its certainly a different world since POTA premeired.
> I promise that you will hear less from me and the monotamy can continue. These are not insults, at most sarcasm, Take care, I thought I had found a home here but I was wrong. I know you have a job to do and you do it well but im giving my two weeks notice.,John M.
>

If not for Cleopatra, the Zanucks would not have regained comtrol of FOX. And if not for Richard Zanuck, POTA would have never been made.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> That's Elizabeth Taylor, not George Taylor, but I thought this should be mentioned here since she was so very close to Roddy McDowall.
>
> I've never been that "into" E.T., but she made some good movies, and CLEOPTRA may not be that great, but it certainly is, thanks to Leon Shamroy, great to look at.
>

Oh, yes! Liz Taylor was a legend! I have one autographed photo by Elizabeth Taylor, too! A new star in Heaven! Rest in peace!   Saulo Adami From Brazil --- Em qua, 23/3/11, Jeff K. <veetus@...> escreveu: De: Jeff K. <veetus@...> Assunto: [pota] OT: R.I.P. Elizabeth Taylor Para: pota@yahoogroups.com Data: Quarta-feira, 23 de Março de 2011, 11:55   No, she wasn't an early candidate for Zira or anything but she was probably Roddy's best friend and her effect on POTA could be summed up in one word: "Cleopatra". That was the movie that weakened Fox back in the "Apes" era. It didn't single-handedly turn the "Ape" budgets to mush but it was significant. Plus it gave Roddy an early opportunity to be called "Caesar". Soon Hollywood will try it again with Angelina Jolie as "Cleopatra" (directors like James Cameron and David Fincher have already been courted). Wouldn't it be cool if Andy Serkis played Roddy's role? And of course Liz was a legend. I hope she and Roddy are reunited.

 

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Im old school when it comes to POTA. I feel you would garner more attention at this site if we wrote about aspect ratios, sound mixes, and more technical issues concerning Apes. Im a film amatuer maker since 8 years old and a musician, like I bet alot of posters here are, so that is what appeals to me. Like my original long post said about the doll and comic comments, I feel it will attract a different audience. Not Apes, but a more generalized group. One that likes comics first, not Apes. Hey I have all the comics too because at that time 1990 I believed in helping the Apes as much as possible. It didnt, I feel Apes does not lend itself well to comics and other peripherial intrests. Go Tech, not Schreck...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> Sorry John, but your final statement (what is all this talk about
> Virdons head and doll stuff. To me this is part of the problem. ) was in
> violation of the Group Guidelines. No one is attacking you but you
> should not be attacking the interests of other members either.
>

Zanuck almost sunk FOX again with Star, Hello Dolly, Dr. Dolittle(APJAC), etc. in the years 1967-1970. The Sound of Music is really the film that got FOX on its feet, but those previously mentioned films almost K.O.d Fox again. Apes along with Fantastic Voyage, Patton , French Connection and others are what really got Fox out of the rabbit hole. You are correct though in general, but Cleopatra did by the end of the 60s turn a profit, didnt it? Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> If not for Cleopatra, the Zanucks would not have regained comtrol of
> FOX. And if not for Richard Zanuck, POTA would have never been made.
>

We welcome all POTA fans here. Young and old. Male and Female. Simian and Human.  We also welcome all POTA related topics from sound mixes to head sculpts to aspect ratios to comics.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote

>
> Im old school when it comes to POTA. I feel you would garner more attention at this site if we wrote about aspect ratios, sound mixes, and more technical issues concerning Apes. Im a film amatuer maker since 8 years old and a musician, like I bet alot of posters here are, so that is what appeals to me. Like my original long post said about the doll and comic comments, I feel it will attract a different audience. Not Apes, but a more generalized group. One that likes comics first, not Apes. Hey I have all the comics too because at that time 1990 I believed in helping the Apes as much as possible. It didnt, I feel Apes does not lend itself well to comics and other peripherial intrests. Go Tech, not Schreck...John M.

Your right. It just makes me wonder how some fans in the 40-60 age range can find kinship in some of our topics. You are right and I always agreed that its a democracy of ideas here but it just seems lumping Apes with superhero merchandising is wrong headed. This is directed at FOX not the young at heart fans here.
Topic will end now and thanks for reading the diatribes of an Apes fan whos first viewing at the Capital theatre in late Febuary '68 forever changed my life.-How Dramatic- John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
>
> We welcome all POTA fans here. Young and old. Male and Female. Simian
> and Human. We also welcome all POTA related topics from sound mixes to
> head sculpts to aspect ratios to comics.
>

It may be premature and it might have been discussed before, but suppose there IS a sequel. Where would you like to see it go? Should it go straight to the Battle era, or explore the period between Conquest and Battle. Or something else entirely?

I'd have been happy to see Rise begin where Burton's film left off i.e. a present day, seriously evolved ape society, complete with ape cops, doctors, plumbers etc.. But I may be in a minority on that one.

For Rise 2, I've got only a few requests: Mutants, Mendez and the Statue of Liberty in the sand please. Oh, and a telepathically-induced cameo by Nova. It's not a lot to ask.

Get thinking folks, you never know who might be reading this stuff.

Did you look at the cover art in the lastest "press release" from them? It
looks very "uncanon" to me...



a message dated 3/23/2011 5:31:12 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> Next month we get to see some new, classic, canon, Apes

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The June and Thanksgiving dates indicated that FOX saw Rise as a tent pole film. The move to August indicates that they no longer have that confidence in the film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I've noticed a lot of comment on the 'net that Fox's move of "Rise of the Apes" to August is a way of "dumping it". I don't see it that way. To me August has been where the studios have put the more interesting summer movies, the ones that might get lost in the big budget blood and thunder of May, June and July. By August people are tired of the "Transformers" and super hero kind of movies and want more. Usually the August releases aren't the biggest hits of the summer but they can still do well. I don't have the statistics right here but that's my take.
> I think August goes with what we've heard of "Rise", that it's a quieter movie with heart. But it still has the advantages that summer offers: kids out of school, a place to get out of the heat, and people won't have to stop their Christmas shopping to see it. It's the same time that Fox released POTA2001, which did well at the box office (might have done better if it was good) and if nothing else is a proven time of year when people will go to an "Ape" movie.
> There's really not much playing against it at that time (which includes another Roddy remake, "Fright Night") so if it's good it will have room to thrive. And if nothing else, we won't have to wait as long to find out.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rthurbin1@...> wrote:

>
> It may be premature and it might have been discussed before, but suppose there IS a sequel. Where would you like to see it go? Should it go straight to the Battle era, or explore the period between Conquest and Battle. Or something else entirely?
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> I'd have been happy to see Rise begin where Burton's film left off i.e. a present day, seriously evolved ape society, complete with ape cops, doctors, plumbers etc.. But I may be in a minority on that one.
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> For Rise 2, I've got only a few requests: Mutants, Mendez and the Statue of Liberty in the sand please. Oh, and a telepathically-induced cameo by Nova. It's not a lot to ask.
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> Get thinking folks, you never know who might be reading this stuff.
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Well, if all goes well with Rise - or at least it's not too bad a film - then I would want to see the sequel deal with the evolution of the apes into some sort of civilisation and the devolving of the humans into savagery, if it hasn't been dealt with by the first film. I'd then like to see some human from our times find himself in such a planet... Oh wait, that's the Burton film. Please don't hurt me! However, I'd still like it to go along those lines, but maybe without the executive suits meddling, without the story being watered down to cater for the slow and easily distracted, and it's best to end with the usual "Hollywoodisation" look of characters (savage humans shouldn't have perfect orthodontic teeth, for instance, nor collagen lips...), but then I suppose I have to be realistic...

As to the topic, I wouldn't mind seeing... dun dun dah... one of those yellow school buses that ferry the children of the US to and fro between home and school. Yes, we must have one of those in the film; a bit battered and rusty, of course.

BTW, please, no telepathy. That's one thing I couldn't care about in Beneath was the use of telepathic powers by the mutant humans. Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I can't stand that sort of thing being foisted upon science fiction works (this also goes for Deanna Troi of Star Trek and the like, too). Keep that stuff to pure fantasy or superhero stuff, where it's more suited. I know, there's some fantastical stuff in science fiction and Planet of the Apes is far fetched enough, but don't stretch it too far. Mind you, in the book, which I love, the machines that allow humans to speak the memories of long past generations was a bit of a stretch too far. Oh, to be consistent...


Graham F

Contrary to popular rumor, "Rise" is not "Conquest". The director has said he'd love to show the "Conquest" in the sequel (if this one's a hit and he has more money). I could see the 3rd part of a trilogy as their "Battle" (though done better) with the aftermath and where do they go from there with apes in charge.
Other films, or maybe another trilogy could take place thousands of years in the future. As I've said, I see "Rise" as their version of "Escape", not in story but in tone.


From: Richard
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Rise Sequel



It may be premature and it might have been discussed before, but suppose there IS a sequel. Where would you like to see it go? Should it go straight to the Battle era, or explore the period between Conquest and Battle. Or something else entirely?

I'd have been happy to see Rise begin where Burton's film left off i.e. a present day, seriously evolved ape society, complete with ape cops, doctors, plumbers etc.. But I may be in a minority on that one.

For Rise 2, I've got only a few requests: Mutants, Mendez and the Statue of Liberty in the sand please. Oh, and a telepathically-induced cameo by Nova. It's not a lot to ask.

Get thinking folks, you never know who might be reading this stuff.

Well, Fox's statements say they are specifically positioning it as the last tent-pole of the summer. Maybe they felt that was the earliest they could schedule it to do post-production right and still make summer. As I said, it's only about a week difference from when POTA2001 was released and that was considered a tent-pole.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:57 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox's "panic button" move?




The June and Thanksgiving dates indicated that FOX saw Rise as a tent pole film. The move to August indicates that they no longer have that confidence in the film.

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POTA SAVED Fox from the ravages of Cleopatra single handedly.

 

 

In a message dated 3/23/2011 9:58:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

That was the movie that weakened Fox back in the "Apes" era. It didn't single-handedly turn the "Ape" budgets to mush but it was significant.

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I hate it when people say Lucas invented movie merchandising.

POTA merchandise was available long before Star Wars!

 

In a message dated 3/23/2011 1:00:41 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

but it just seems lumping Apes with superhero merchandising is wrong headed.

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Sounds rushed again to me.

Remember last time?  It was going to be

Thanksgiving, and maybe Christmas. But

Fox hurried to get it in the Summer Blockbuster

line up.  Sounds to me like they're cutting corners

in Post again and in the end movie will suffer for it.

 

 

In a message dated 3/23/2011 4:29:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Maybe they felt that was the earliest they could schedule it to do post-production right and still make summer.

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I agree the styles on the covers are new, but they are set in a period between Battle and Planet, as I understand it.If we'd only had Conquest, and somebody did a comic in the style of Planet, we'd be saying bthe Planet look wasn't 'canon'.I'm a bit more flexible with 'canon', given my love of comics, but, I must admit, even I struggle with Malibu's stuff.Either way, BOOM! are looking fresh and interesting and I'm eager to actually read a new chapter of Apes.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
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> Did you look at the cover art in the lastest "press release" from them? It
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> a message dated 3/23/2011 5:31:12 AM Central Standard Time,
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Does that mean us transexual,middle-aged, Orangs aren't welcome? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, David Merritt <david.merritt70@...> wrote:
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> VERY WELL PUT MY APE FRIEND. LONG LIVE THE APES. DAVID M
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I agree the Captain America trailer looks superb---so good, in fact, I'm a smidge worried it'll be such a massive hit it could swamp Apes.Apes should trounce those mini Avatars, no problemo.It's funny, had the original release date for Rise been August, I'd have been totally content, as it's a perfect slot.It's the changes of date that have left me twitchy.Just shows how much we really do CARE that Rise succeeds.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Here's how the tent-pole summer ends:
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> July 22 - "Captain America" (here's the brand new trailer, best summer trailer I've seen so far):
> http://collider.com/captain-america-first-avenger-trailer/67766/
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> July 29 - "Cowboys vs. Aliens"
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> Aug. 5th - "Apes" vs. "Smurfs" (and those Smurfs can get pretty nasty)
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> Doesn't sound like freshman competition to me. "Apes" is still in the thick of it.
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Yes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> Does that mean us transexual,middle-aged, Orangs aren't welcome? John, Scrolls.
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