--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:

> I agree the Captain America trailer looks superb---
> so good, in fact, I'm a smidge worried it'll be
> such a massive hit it could swamp Apes.

No, the Swamp Apes only appeared in the Malibu series.

(Heh heh.)

Same here, John--I'm very excited about this series and I like what I've seen so far, divergent though it may be from the films' look.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I agree the styles on the covers are new, but they are set in a period between Battle and Planet, as I understand it.If we'd only had Conquest, and somebody did a comic in the style of Planet, we'd be saying bthe Planet look wasn't 'canon'.I'm a bit more flexible with 'canon', given my love of comics, but, I must admit, even I struggle with Malibu's stuff.Either way, BOOM! are looking fresh and interesting and I'm eager to actually read a new chapter of Apes.John, Scrolls.
>

Where are you driving from? NYC DAVE. --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:56 AM   I live in NYC and would be interested in going....   Anyone going?   NYC DAVE.. I'm seriously thinking about it, but haven't really checked into the drive time and all else.  I need to do a Google maps thing and all that, and then how much time off from work I'll need, etc.  I'm just glad it's a few months away.   -- Rory

THanks for that info Chris... THat may be the way for me to go...   Quick question. How far is Geno's or PAts Cheesesteaks  place from PENN?   NYC DAVE. --- On Wed, 3/23/11, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote: From: Chris Hight <snickertown@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 9:25 AM   If you are in NYC you could take the train to 30th St. Station and walk over or take a cab to 37th. --- On Wed, 3/23/11, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote: From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 23, 2011, 8:43 AM   I live in NYC and would be interested in going....   Anyone going?   NYC DAVE..

I know the opinions on 'canonical Apes' will differ wildly and I almost regretted using the word 'canon' as soon as I posted the message, because that word, in fandom, is almost Biblical in its heretical potential.I think the crucial thing is that, in whatever medium, the essence of Apes, whatever that is (I can't define it, I can only recognise it when I see it) needs to be there and built on.To be fair, there were, imho, even parts of the Burton movie that nearly got this right, it was just packaged in a clunky, unappealing look.I know my 'canon' is somebody else's peashooter, so I'll just say that most of the Malibu crap aint canon in my world.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> Same here, John--I'm very excited about this series and I like what I've seen so far, divergent though it may be from the films' look.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > I agree the styles on the covers are new, but they are set in a period between Battle and Planet, as I understand it.If we'd only had Conquest, and somebody did a comic in the style of Planet, we'd be saying bthe Planet look wasn't 'canon'.I'm a bit more flexible with 'canon', given my love of comics, but, I must admit, even I struggle with Malibu's stuff.Either way, BOOM! are looking fresh and interesting and I'm eager to actually read a new chapter of Apes.John, Scrolls.
> >
>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote:

Ginos & Pats are about 2 -3 miles from Penn Campus. It's a short ride, especially, on the wknd. Gino and Pats are directly across the street from one another. --- On Thu, 3/24/11, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote: From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:49 AM THanks for that info Chris... THat may be the way for me to go... Quick question. How far is Geno's or PAts Cheesesteaks place from PENN? NYC DAVE.

Boulle didn't take it all that seriously. Remember, he hated the idea of nuclear war in the film. He saw it more as a satire and in satire you can take certain leaps in logic.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:38 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise Sequel






BTW, please leave the entire mutant thing to the Paul Dehn era of POTAdom. POTA is about apes and men -- normal mankind. The entire mutant thing is sooooo non-Boullian. And I agree that Boulle was stretching things in the book, but I guess that was the best he could come up with to tell the tale of the past.

I think what they are doing makes sense (as long as the post-production doesn't suffer). "Rise" never seemed like a Christmas movie. The official word is they moved it out of June because the CG needed more time. Now supposedly things are going well. I don't blame them for not going head to head with the big movies; "Rise" isn't that kind of film. They put it in the closest slot that was open.
As far as it being a prestige picture if it came out at Christmas, it's closest cousin as far as Oscars/acclaim would be "District 9" and that came out in July. Ultimately all that matters is what the film is, not speculation. In 4 months all our questions will be answered.
Yeah, I have my problems with Fox but I trust the word of guys like Lithgow when they are that enthused. Fox could screw it up after the fact but hopefully they are not that nuts when they know they have a special thing.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:47 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox's "panic button" move?



I said before that if Fox delayed RISE again then "watch out," but moving the release back up is more disturbing than panic inducing, and I suspect it has less to do with RISE itself than with a studio that's desperately trying to get its release schedule in order. The "suits" don't know what they're doing.

There's trouble at Fox. Not great trouble, but the studio isn't the healthiest place right now.

You are correct. My mother saw it with a noisy group of friends near or on the premier date and then begged me to see it. I did not want to. I did eventualy go and see it in the city at one time in March so my facts and memories got all meshed together. Thinking more about it I am sometimes thinking it was the combo of Planet/Beneath in early 71 I saw in NYC but I thought that was only a drive-in event. I was 8-11 years old and my memory is getting foggy. Not to make excuses but I was in the middle of a diatribe with certain noble prize winners on this site.
I did see the rest in NYC near or at premier and then in theaters and drive-ins in the Long Island suburbs as it moved ever so slowly east. I saw my mistake but didnt bother to fix it since my Mother saw it and that was close enough for the moment, I apologize. Good call. John M

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Topic will end now and thanks for reading the diatribes of an Apes fan whos first viewing at the Capital theatre in late Febuary '68 forever changed my life.-How Dramatic- John M.
>
>
>
>
> I don't recall you ever telling us before you saw PLANET at the Capitol in NYC.
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Yeah, I have my problems with Fox but I trust the word of guys like Lithgow when they are that enthused. Fox could screw it up after the fact but hopefully they are not that nuts when they know they have a special thing.
>

The words of praise from the likes of Lithgow, no matter that he is a reasonable actor, only counts if he's actually had a past record of criticising films he's been involved in prior to their coming out. It's in his interest to be enthusiastic about a film he's in, for it helps massage those who might want to recruit him for other films in the future, and might not want someone too difficult if they can help it. Has Lithgow in the past criticised a film to be released that he's been involved in, and if so, are there any examples?

I'll take his enthusiasm as much as I'll take the enthusiasm of any other actor otherwise, whether I respect them or not. I'm not saying that Lithgow is embellishing or lying (I've not worked on the film, so what do I know?), but I won't be basing too much on his praise, either.

I think that the move of dates might (note might) indicate some lack of confidence by Fox, but then again, their executives aren't too trustworthy when it comes to tastes and what's good. Maybe you're right and the move can be seen as advantageous... but every silver lining has its cloud. ;)


Graham F

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:

I had imagined the 3rd installment as one that would flash forward to the time of the Lawgiver.... but I guess the comic series is taking care of that now. I always wanted to know more about The Lawgiver and why he came to hate humans so much. I just hope BOOM! does a good job explaining everything.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Thanks Chris.. If Im going I have to make a stop and get a cheese steak.... I want to see which is is truly the best!!!   NYC DAVE. --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote: From: Chris Hight <snickertown@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 9:21 AM   Ginos & Pats are about 2 -3 miles from Penn Campus. It's a short ride, especially, on the wknd. Gino and Pats are directly across the street from one another. --- On Thu, 3/24/11, David Giwner <bikergator25@...> wrote: From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 8:49 AM   THanks for that info Chris... THat may be the way for me to go...   Quick question. How far is Geno's or PAts Cheesesteaks  place from PENN?   NYC DAVE.

So, im guessing it about an 8hr drive for you?     I wish this was on A Saturday and not a Sunday..   I will be in touch If I go. AS of now I have no plans that weekend.   NYC DAVE. --- On Thu, 3/24/11, Haristas@... <Haristas@...> wrote: From: Haristas@... <Haristas@...> Subject: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 11:07 AM   Western NC (near Asheville).  All I need to do is take one Hwy to I-95, then just keep on that until I get to Philly and follow the instructions on the website (though, I'll also do a Google maps thing and even look at the route on Google Earth).  Right now, without having looked into at all (I'm lazy), I figure around six or seven hours of driving, which isn't too bad.  I've driven from where I am to South Florida in a day (14 hours) with only stops to piss and get gasoline, so I can handle this, it's just getting the time off from work that I'm unsure about.  I wish this was the week of July 4th.  I have that entire week off.   -- Rory -----Original Message----- From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Thu, Mar 24, 2011 9:00 am Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia   Where are you driving from? NYC DAVE.

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 1:54 PM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

FYI

From: Bill Hollweg [billhollweg@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:28 PM
To: James
Subject: [BrokenSea] New Audio Thursday - 24/03/11 - "Ape-Man" Thursday: BPOTA ep 5 ONLINE!

Happy Thursday Hooligans! I hope this post finds you well and that you're ready to enjoy some great audio!

And boy do we have a great lineup for you all thsi week !!

First up this week General Ursus and his Gorilla legions move ever closer to war in :-
Beneath The Planet of the Apes – Episode 5

The fifth of our unofficial Beneath the Planet of the Apes Digital Trading Cards :-
BPOTA – Trading Card – Cornelius

Hope you enjoy listening as much as we enjoy making ….

Cheers - Take Care,

--

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

**** I don't know if I totally agree with that... I mean there's lines in
CONQUEST that indicate what Caesar says will come to be in the future so
going from an ultramodern human run city to a world with Dead Seas, wastelands,
and apes lording over humans wouldn't be unexpected... Apes clothing
changing from slave jumpsuits to whatever they see fit for their civilization would
be expected too...

But a comic supposedly set between BATTLE and PLANET with apes and humans
looking like refugees from "Master of the Universe" and "Xena: The Warrior
Princess" makes no sense, stylistically anyway... ***




In a message dated 3/24/2011 5:23:26 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> I agree the styles on the covers are new, but they are set in a period
> between Battle and Planet, as I understand it.If we'd only had Conquest, and
> somebody did a comic in the style of Planet, we'd be saying bthe Planet
> look wasn't 'canon'.I'm a bit more flexible with 'canon', given my love of
> comics, but, I must admit, even I struggle with Malibu's stuff.

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:09 AM, Chris Hight <snickertown@...> wrote:

I might not go to the show but if I show up to meet our out-of-town fans I'll grab you a shirt. --- On Thu, 3/24/11, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote: From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:08 PM If anybody's going, can you please snag me a size small t-shirt? THANKS! I'll send you funds--hopefully they come in a size small. Jess.

Well the Lawgiver definitely felt some antipathy. After all, he thought we were the devil's pawn and the harbinger of death. He also wanted to drive us back into our jungle lair, so we weren't exactly on his christmas card list.

And didn't he write the sacred scrolls? He was a fundamentalist whose texts gave tacit permission for a policy of human genocide. Not my favourite ape. And certainly not the benign figure some might suggest. The Greatest Ape of all? My vote's with Lucius.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> I never really felt the LG hated Humans. More he was a repository of all
> that came before him <scrolls, oral traditions of Man and Simian> and Man
> (as a whole) had proven himself self-destructive by the Fall of his
> civilization etc... And the LG was looking out for his flock- protecting
> them from the sins of the past. Human sins in this case. Preaching the
> "learn history so one does not repeat it" mantra.
>
> But that's just my take on the whole LG thing.
>
>
>

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Richard <rthurbin1@...> wrote:

Well the Lawgiver definitely felt some antipathy. After all, he thought we were the devil's pawn and the harbinger of death. He also wanted to drive us back into our jungle lair, so we weren't exactly on his christmas card list.

And didn't he write the sacred scrolls? He was a fundamentalist whose texts gave tacit permission for a policy of human genocide. Not my favourite ape. And certainly not the benign figure some might suggest. The Greatest Ape of all? My vote's with Lucius.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> I never really felt the LG hated Humans. More he was a repository of all
> that came before him <scrolls, oral traditions of Man and Simian> and Man
> (as a whole) had proven himself self-destructive by the Fall of his
> civilization etc... And the LG was looking out for his flock- protecting
> them from the sins of the past. Human sins in this case. Preaching the
> "learn history so one does not repeat it" mantra.
>
> But that's just my take on the whole LG thing.
>
>
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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An interesting radio show talking about DNA being manipulated

to transform people into Ruling class vs Soldier / Servant class.

Saying you'll be enhanced, or you won't. Remind you of anything? 

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You read my mind! I hope there's no telepathy too.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> BTW, please, no telepathy. That's one thing I couldn't care about in Beneath was the use of telepathic powers by the mutant humans. Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I can't stand that sort of thing being foisted upon science fiction works (this also goes for Deanna Troi of Star Trek and the like, too). Keep that stuff to pure fantasy or superhero stuff, where it's more suited. I know, there's some fantastical stuff in science fiction and Planet of the Apes is far fetched enough, but don't stretch it too far. Mind you, in the book, which I love, the machines that allow humans to speak the memories of long past generations was a bit of a stretch too far. Oh, to be consistent...
>
> Graham F
>
>
>
>
>
> BTW, please leave the entire mutant thing to the Paul Dehn era of POTAdom. POTA is about apes and men -- normal mankind. The entire mutant thing is sooooo non-Boullian. And I agree that Boulle was stretching things in the book, but I guess that was the best he could come up with to tell the tale of the past.
>

Wasn't there a certain irony that the bomb that was Cleopatra led to the sell off of land that ultimately gave the venue for Caesar to revolt? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> POTA SAVED Fox from the ravages of Cleopatra single handedly.
>
> Know your Fox, T.
>
> THE SOUND OF MUSIC saved Fox, and although PLANET was a blockbuster, it wasn't anywhere near the blockbuster BUTCH CASSIDY was for Fox the next year. But even still those movies couldn't save a studio that sunk so much cash into mega bombs like DOCTOR DOLITTLE, STAR! and TORA! TORA! TORA!
>

I don't know if it's my sunjective recall, but the 'word' from actors on Rise feels more positive than it was on Burton's movie.With Burton, it all seemed to be talk about Burton, but with Rise it seems to be about the script.A good sign? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I think what they are doing makes sense (as long as the post-production doesn't suffer). "Rise" never seemed like a Christmas movie. The official word is they moved it out of June because the CG needed more time. Now supposedly things are going well. I don't blame them for not going head to head with the big movies; "Rise" isn't that kind of film. They put it in the closest slot that was open.
> As far as it being a prestige picture if it came out at Christmas, it's closest cousin as far as Oscars/acclaim would be "District 9" and that came out in July. Ultimately all that matters is what the film is, not speculation. In 4 months all our questions will be answered.
> Yeah, I have my problems with Fox but I trust the word of guys like Lithgow when they are that enthused. Fox could screw it up after the fact but hopefully they are not that nuts when they know they have a special thing.
>
>

You do realise that ,with your fair and reasonable response,you're running the risk that this debate about canonicity might not result in a firefight, but just a good, old fashioned,group discussion? I'll be honest, I'm a bit uncomfortable abour any costumes that echo Burton's armoured-up apes.I'd like it classic, full stop---although Ploog's gorillas were pretty cool too.If you're not going to just attack me, however, I really don't know what the Group is coming to.Reasoned debate? Hell, it might just work! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> **** I don't know if I totally agree with that... I mean there's lines in
> CONQUEST that indicate what Caesar says will come to be in the future so
> going from an ultramodern human run city to a world with Dead Seas, wastelands,
> and apes lording over humans wouldn't be unexpected... Apes clothing
> changing from slave jumpsuits to whatever they see fit for their civilization would
> be expected too...
>
> But a comic supposedly set between BATTLE and PLANET with apes and humans
> looking like refugees from "Master of the Universe" and "Xena: The Warrior
> Princess" makes no sense, stylistically anyway... ***
>
>
>
>

On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 6:18 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

Another Friday, another war in the Middle East, another nuclear reactor melting down in Japan and another installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY.

To view the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also, next Wednesday at 4-5PM EST Daryl Gregory, author of the new POTA comic from Boom! Studios, will be on the group to answer your questions about the comic.

He'll only be here for one hour so be sure to be here too. Anyone who can't please submit your questions to me in advance and I'll ask them for you. But for those who can, just post as you normally do with "Question for Daryl Gregory" in the subject line.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.
• The Photos Section - POTA pics contributed by members.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Thanks Bill!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> I love the Dynasty!
> Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

This is actually the very week "Rise of the Apes" opens. Fascinating, Captain.


From: David Giwner
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:15 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fwd: GO APE marathon in Philadelphia



So, im guessing it about an 8hr drive for you?

I wish this was on A Saturday and not a Sunday..

I will be in touch If I go. AS of now I have no plans that weekend.

NYC DAVE.

That's exactly right. The "Rise" actors have been talking about the script. And the director, but not in a "Look, Mom! I'm in a Tim Burton movie" way. Only 4 months to go and if they're wrong we can call them all liars. : )


From: johnroche49
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:52 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Fox's "panic button" move?



I don't know if it's my sunjective recall, but the 'word' from actors on Rise feels more positive than it was on Burton's movie.With Burton, it all seemed to be talk about Burton, but with Rise it seems to be about the script.A good sign? John, Scrolls.

Who knows what the Lawgiver was like (including the apes)? Or if there even really was one. This gets down to how trustworthy ancient writings are and why POTA is so interesting. Our religions, our histories, who knows what's true? Obviously there's a "Lawgiver" in "Battle". I always wondered how much of Zira and Cornelius' culture was told to Armando and then he passed it on to Caesar. The similarities of clothes, etc. to the previous society could be chalked up to a circular timeline (Boo!) or more realistically Caesar's memories of what Armando told him about his parents. Including their conception of a Lawgiver.


From: Richard
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:03 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise Sequel



Well the Lawgiver definitely felt some antipathy. After all, he thought we were the devil's pawn and the harbinger of death. He also wanted to drive us back into our jungle lair, so we weren't exactly on his christmas card list.

And didn't he write the sacred scrolls? He was a fundamentalist whose texts gave tacit permission for a policy of human genocide. Not my favourite ape. And certainly not the benign figure some might suggest. The Greatest Ape of all? My vote's with Lucius.

Wonderful! You have to be kind of scared of the concept of a lady that even those nut job mutants classed as 'Crazy'! The idea of trying to widen the gene pool is inspired---any plans to incorporate the 'ape-child' idea Fox abandoned? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Another Friday, another war in the Middle East, another nuclear reactor
> melting down in Japan and another installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY.
> To view the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home
> page or use this link:
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It really irritated me that, even with the trailer from the Burton movie, it was 'A Tim Burton Movie', as if that could ever be a bigger consideration than it being 'An Apes Movie'.I'm not familiar with the writers and director of Rise--and I like it that way.I've tried to steer clear of spoilers and scripts, too---I ruined the Burton 'experience'even more by watching a bootleg early, which was disrespectful and something I wouldn't do again.Let's hope Rise really hits it out of the park and reminds the world how cool Apes is.John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> That's exactly right. The "Rise" actors have been talking about the script. And the director, but not in a "Look, Mom! I'm in a Tim Burton movie" way. Only 4 months to go and if they're wrong we can call them all liars. : )
>
>
> From: johnroche49
> Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:52 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Fox's "panic button" move?
>
>
>
> I don't know if it's my sunjective recall, but the 'word' from actors on Rise feels more positive than it was on Burton's movie.With Burton, it all seemed to be talk about Burton, but with Rise it seems to be about the script.A good sign? John, Scrolls.
>

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The Lawgiver as depicted in Battle talks of 'evil men who betrayed God's trust' but also speaks of 'apes and humans living in harmony and peace'. Thus, it is possible that like religious extremists in our world who adopt the most violent passages from their faith's texts to justify their prejudices; the same could have happened in the Apes society.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <rthurbin1@...> wrote:
>
> Well the Lawgiver definitely felt some antipathy. After all, he thought we were the devil's pawn and the harbinger of death. He also wanted to drive us back into our jungle lair, so we weren't exactly on his christmas card list.
>
> And didn't he write the sacred scrolls? He was a fundamentalist whose texts gave tacit permission for a policy of human genocide. Not my favourite ape. And certainly not the benign figure some might suggest. The Greatest Ape of all? My vote's with Lucius.
>
>

I never bought the theory that C&Z told Armando a lot about their culture that he passed on to Caesar/Milo. First, how long were they with Armando? A few days, maybe a week? Not long to educate Armando. And does anyone really think that they would worry about telling him about Gorilla and Orangutan clothing? Plus, they didn't know that they would be leaving their baby with Armando to raise him. That was only due to the last minute exchange of babies by Zira.

Second, it doesn't fit with the dialogue. In Battle, Caesar says that Armando only told him that his parents came from the future. The whole reason for Caesar's trip to the Forbidden City is to learn his parents, whom he hasn't seen a picture of before, and to learn their knowledge of the future. If Armando had already educated him about that, Caesar wouldn't have needed to make the journey in Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Who knows what the Lawgiver was like (including the apes)? Or if there even really was one. This gets down to how trustworthy ancient writings are and why POTA is so interesting. Our religions, our histories, who knows what's true? Obviously there's a "Lawgiver" in "Battle". I always wondered how much of Zira and Cornelius' culture was told to Armando and then he passed it on to Caesar. The similarities of clothes, etc. to the previous society could be chalked up to a circular timeline (Boo!) or more realistically Caesar's memories of what Armando told him about his parents. Including their conception of a Lawgiver.
>
>

No!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Wonderful! You have to be kind of scared of the concept of a lady that even those nut job mutants classed as 'Crazy'! The idea of trying to widen the gene pool is inspired---any plans to incorporate the 'ape-child' idea Fox abandoned? John, Scrolls.
>

A few days to a week? That's plenty of time to chat if you're hiding out. I'd think Armando would be fascinated by their culture, and Zira said, "I have to tell someone". They didn't know Milo/Caesar would be left with Armando, but he was.
Good point about the line, "Armando only told me they came out of the future. They cannot give me knowledge". But he's referring more to knowledge about what he should do as a leader. Yeah, perhaps it's a stretch (like Milo finding Taylor's ship) but less of a stretch then the apes blindly recreating everything from the previous culture.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 6:59 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Lawgiver




I never bought the theory that C&Z told Armando a lot about their culture that he passed on to Caesar/Milo. First, how long were they with Armando? A few days, maybe a week? Not long to educate Armando. And does anyone really think that they would worry about telling him about Gorilla and Orangutan clothing? Plus, they didn't know that they would be leaving their baby with Armando to raise him. That was only due to the last minute exchange of babies by Zira.

Second, it doesn't fit with the dialogue. In Battle, Caesar says that Armando only told him that his parents came from the future. The whole reason for Caesar's trip to the Forbidden City is to learn his parents, whom he hasn't seen a picture of before, and to learn their knowledge of the future. If Armando had already educated him about that, Caesar wouldn't have needed to make the journey in Battle.

Yes plenty of time to chat if you're just hiding out. But Armando was running a circus. I doubt he would have time to just to sit around and shoot the breeze with about Ape fashions. And if they did, why leave out the elephant in the room, the destruction of the earth? Kind of a big omission.

Like anything if the writer didn't specifically state it, it is not an element of the story. What is an element of the story is Caesar's line in Battle. It is pretty straight forward.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> A few days to a week? That's plenty of time to chat if you're hiding out. I'd think Armando would be fascinated by their culture, and Zira said, "I have to tell someone". They didn't know Milo/Caesar would be left with Armando, but he was.
> Good point about the line, "Armando only told me they came out of the future. They cannot give me knowledge". But he's referring more to knowledge about what he should do as a leader. Yeah, perhaps it's a stretch (like Milo finding Taylor's ship) but less of a stretch then the apes blindly recreating everything from the previous culture.
>

So you are finally admitting that you're a revisionist like Patrick;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> You all know I'm not a believer to the "Timeloop/Paul Dehn" fundamentalist dogma that James and others adhere to. I'm the progressive liberal alternate timeline type.

OK That is a fair point.

And Patrick is not the Ayatolla. He is a nice guy with a lot of creative ideas. We just don't agree with them.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Oh, NO!!!!!!
>
> Paul Dehn, with a lot of help from Mort Abrahams, was a PLANET revisionist.
>
> Patrick... he's the Ayatolla Khomeini.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> Yes plenty of time to chat if you're just hiding out. But Armando was
> running a circus. I doubt he would have time to just to sit around and
> shoot the breeze with about Ape fashions.

It's not everyday that you get a sapient pregnant ape and her equally sapient mate turning up at your circus to hide out. So many questions to ask, so many things to ponder, particularly if you're like Armando, who seemed the imaginative and thoughtful type.


Graham F

Same here, well put., John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> But a comic supposedly set between BATTLE and PLANET with apes and humans
> looking like refugees from "Master of the Universe" and "Xena: The Warrior
> Princess" makes no sense, stylistically anyway... ***
>
>
>
>
> I don't want to start another heated debate, but this is one of the BIG reasons I don't care for comic books -- stylistically they are trite in the extreme, a formula endlessly repeated and pandering to juvenile sensibilities. Everything is so interchangable. Is there really any major difference between the stories of Batman, Spiderman, Superman or the Fantastic Four and countless others? You can easily predict what the story lines will be, the character arcs, the simpleminded good vs. over-the-top evil themes. And this isn't just limited to the printed "comic book" or graphic novel. The James Bond movies are basically live action comic books, and why I got bored with that franchise decades ago.
>
> BUT.... if this is what you like, more power to 'ya! I love it when the guys on "The Big Bang Theory" go to the comic book store. I've gone to comic book stores! But then I use to go to look at the SF geeky action figures, models and other stuff
>
> -- Rory
>

Armando seemed to have plenty of time in "Escape". How long does it take to carry on a conversation? Maybe they did leave out the destruction of the Earth. Maybe Lewis and Stevie told them not to say anything.
The writer's work is open to interpretation as long as it fits. We can't say Zira is a blue elephant but other things are less obvious.
"You're parents came out of the future". Oh really? Thanks for telling me. No further questions.
"They cannot give me knowledge"... about what to do about evil. About how to rule a just society.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 7:45 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Lawgiver




Yes plenty of time to chat if you're just hiding out. But Armando was running a circus. I doubt he would have time to just to sit around and shoot the breeze with about Ape fashions. And if they did, why leave out the elephant in the room, the destruction of the earth? Kind of a big omission.

Like anything if the writer didn't specifically state it, it is not an element of the story. What is an element of the story is Caesar's line in Battle. It is pretty straight forward.

Agree with you James. My problem is that I always get the writers intent stuck in my head so all the conjecture from most of the other Apes fans is pointless, but fun. Dehn said it was an arc and it was to end with Taylor crashing back to earth and the whole shi-bang to happen all over again. Thats why even though I loved talking about this or that about Apes, the interviews and articles(Like Cinamafantastique) get in the way. Most of us very lucky Apes fans who were their from the start and soaked it all up know how it was meant to end. Its a circle that never ends. The writers at that time were more cynical having gone through depression of the 30s, WWII, Communist hearings, Korean war, and the sixties revolutions. They were a smarter group in my view and knew that man is nothing more than an ape with cloths and could not keep his baser instincts in check.
Thats where comics come in. They feed the more childlike hope of younger minded folks who seem to have no experience with life and everything will work out. The good guy always wins. I wish this was true but its not. Not all comics are like this ofcourse but this was the birth cry of modern day comics(Superman) that justice and good will out-it doesnt- unfortunatly. Its the opposite and thats what the screen Ape movies were all about-truth. Look at Mans history of his scorched earth policy since he first saw the Monolith (oops, different movie, but a perfect analogy of humankind). Gone on too long again, Take care , John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> The Lawgiver as depicted in Battle talks of 'evil men who betrayed God's
> trust' but also speaks of 'apes and humans living in harmony and peace'.
> Thus, it is possible that like religious extremists in our world who
> adopt the most violent passages from their faith's texts to justify
> their prejudices; the same could have happened in the Apes society.
>

Good point but it doesn't explain Caesar's line in Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> It's not everyday that you get a sapient pregnant ape and her equally sapient mate turning up at your circus to hide out. So many questions to ask, so many things to ponder, particularly if you're like Armando, who seemed the imaginative and thoughtful type.
>
>
> Graham F
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> Good point but it doesn't explain Caesar's line in Battle.
>

Sure, but I deliberately didn't quote that part of the argument to respond to. ;)


Graham F

Absolutely No! Fox made the right call, let it die a merciful death!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> No!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Wonderful! You have to be kind of scared of the concept of a lady that
> even those nut job mutants classed as 'Crazy'! The idea of trying to
> widen the gene pool is inspired---any plans to incorporate the
> 'ape-child' idea Fox abandoned? John, Scrolls.
> >
>

Filmmaker and fellow Apes fan Sandy Collora sent me some photos of his
custom Mego-style Apes figures. They look great! You can find the
photos on my Apes site:

https://pota.goatley.com/

Hunter

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I was going to saying Apes, but The Time Machine's good to.

I've seen some of pics on the net that look like gene experiments

gone awry.  Perhaps there are Russia or Chinese scientists,

who aren't bound by a moral code, who feel the old fashioned

ways is too slow and are giving Mother Nature a push. Anyone

know anything about rogue genetic science run amok?

 

 

In a message dated 3/25/2011 9:00:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

The Morlocks and the Eloi?  That story goes all the way back to 1895.

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This is so. If you want to "Live The Dream" then

early is on time, and on time is late.  And never,

But Never, make trouble on a set.  Only the

producer can't be fired.  There are exceptions.

Talent, that either want to get fired or don't care.

The director, unless the producer fires him. And

crew with a strong union. You can fire them, but

it's usually more trouble than it's worth, and most

are happy to sit around getting paid to play cards

until they actually have to work.  And waiting can

be the hardest work of all.  But never bad mouth

the project.  Remember the Oscars are only the

Academy's popularity contest, and not what's best.

 

 

In a message dated 3/25/2011 9:18:18 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Listen, in real life so and so could be a prick in the extreme, but if they've got a movie in production that you want to get hired for, then that prick tastes like sweet honey!  Oh, yeah!  It's a living, baby!

Don't pay any attention to it.

 

-- Rory

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I think you mean hyperbaric chamber.

Unless you were planing on sleeping

in a solar mirror, or an exaggerated

rhetorical form of speech. Or a chamber

with WAY too many bollocks in it.

 

 

In a message dated 3/25/2011 9:18:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I need a hyperbolic chamber

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True.  All we got were scenes lasting a few minutes.

And usually when people are together for extended

periods they yammer like the hit men in Pulp Fiction.

If they didn't there would be a lot of awkward pauses

and those days would be very long indeed. Reunions?

 

 

In a message dated 3/25/2011 9:33:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

A few days to a week? That's plenty of time to chat if you're hiding out. I'd think Armando would be fascinated by their culture, and Zira said, "I have to tell someone". They didn't know Milo/Caesar would be left with Armando, but he was.

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Title:		Planet of the Apes (1968)
Date:		Saturday March 26, 2011
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Did the Smurfs blink? On the heels of "Rise of the Apes" moving to Aug. 5th, the "Smurfs" movie has been pushed up a week to July 29. I guess they'd rather open against "Cowboys and Aliens" than "Apes"? "Cowboys" is no small potatoes either, starring Daniel "James Bond" Craig and Harrison Ford and directed by Jon "Iron Man" Favreau. It's had good word of mouth. So maybe Sony has heard some scuttlebutt? Could the "Ape-tar" legends be true?

http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/sony-bumps-up-the-smurfs-release-to-july-29/

Ha! "Scuttlebutt".

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I think some of you might like this page I am posting a link to it is part of a site a special effects person from ILM put together. The images are top notch and very very fun. So start with this page and look at the rest of the site I know some of you will get a kick out of what is in it.
http://www.scifiairshow.com/ships-liberty2-lander.html"

Having previously made my comic loving credentials clear, it's hard to view your comment that comics are for the 'the more childlike hope of younger minded folk who seem to have no experience with life' as a deliberate observation.Your blanket assessment of comics, and their readers ,is incorrect.Wasn't there a reference to guidelines for the group earlier that discouraged such insults? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Agree with you James. My problem is that I always get the writers intent stuck in my head so all the conjecture from most of the other Apes fans is pointless, but fun. Dehn said it was an arc and it was to end with Taylor crashing back to earth and the whole shi-bang to happen all over again. Thats why even though I loved talking about this or that about Apes, the interviews and articles(Like Cinamafantastique) get in the way. Most of us very lucky Apes fans who were their from the start and soaked it all up know how it was meant to end. Its a circle that never ends. The writers at that time were more cynical having gone through depression of the 30s, WWII, Communist hearings, Korean war, and the sixties revolutions. They were a smarter group in my view and knew that man is nothing more than an ape with cloths and could not keep his baser instincts in check.
> Thats where comics come in. They feed the more childlike hope of younger minded folks who seem to have no experience with life and everything will work out. The good guy always wins. I wish this was true but its not. Not all comics are like this ofcourse but this was the birth cry of modern day comics(Superman) that justice and good will out-it doesnt- unfortunatly. Its the opposite and thats what the screen Ape movies were all about-truth. Look at Mans history of his scorched earth policy since he first saw the Monolith (oops, different movie, but a perfect analogy of humankind). Gone on too long again, Take care , John M.
>

This kind of reminds me of those cycle races on the banked tracks where they go dead slow, waiting for an opening, then go like hell for leather when they see their chance.I wasn't too weorried about those little blue bastards---I think their audience is limited.I am very worried about the publicity that Captain America might be getting, and swamping Apes with---Cap's trailer looks awesome.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Did the Smurfs blink? On the heels of "Rise of the Apes" moving to Aug. 5th, the "Smurfs" movie has been pushed up a week to July 29. I guess they'd rather open against "Cowboys and Aliens" than "Apes"? "Cowboys" is no small potatoes either, starring Daniel "James Bond" Craig and Harrison Ford and directed by Jon "Iron Man" Favreau. It's had good word of mouth. So maybe Sony has heard some scuttlebutt? Could the "Ape-tar" legends be true?
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/sony-bumps-up-the-smurfs-release-to-july-29/
>
> Ha! "Scuttlebutt".
>

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Thanks Richard. That's a great site. If you're into the ship, you may enjoy this: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/EPTR.htm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Richard" <drawrick@...> wrote:
>
> I think some of you might like this page I am posting a link to it is part of a site a special effects person from ILM put together. The images are top notch and very very fun. So start with this page and look at the rest of the site I know some of you will get a kick out of what is in it.
> http://www.scifiairshow.com/ships-liberty2-lander.htmlbr>>

From The Digital Bits:

 

Warner has just informed us that they'll be releasing their long-awaited Ben-Hur: 50th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition on Blu-ray and DVD this fall! The "limited and numbered" edition will be available in stores in time for the holiday shopping season - specific street date and SRP TBA. Included will be a reproduction of the personal diary that Charlton Heston kept during the production, complete with personal photos and his own sketches. There will also be a new HD documentary on Heston's experiences during the making of the film, entitled Charlton Heston & Ben-Hur: A Personal Journey, which includes home movie footage shot by his wife Lydia inside the Colosseum set. That's in addition to all of the previous DVD special features, which include audio commentary, Ben-Hur: The 1925 Silent Version, the 2005 Ben-Hur: The Epic That Changed Cinema documentary, the 1994 Ben-Hur: The Making of an Epic documentary, the Ben-Hur: A Journey Through Pictures A/V presentation (featuring photos, storyboards, sketches, music and dialogue from the film), screen tests, vintage newsreels, highlights from the 1960 Academy Awards ceremony, trailers and more. You'll also get an exclusive book filled with production photos, production art and a reproduction of the original theatrical press book. The Blu-ray version will feature 2 BD-50s, while the DVD version will be a 5-disc set. And let me tell you, I've now had the chance to see before and after images of the new 6K HD restoration for Blu-ray, taken from the original 65mm camera elements, and the difference is stunning. Here's a look at the cover art for the package, and the open packaging for the DVD set...

Both "Captain America" and "Cowboys and Aliens" might be two of the best flicks of the summer from what I can see so far. Both in the way that "Iron Man" took people by surprise. So it might be a tough race for "Apes". "Smurfs" looks like a "Chipmunks" wannabe so I'm not too worried about that.


From: johnroche49
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 3:38 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Smurfs" won't "Rise" to the occasion



This kind of reminds me of those cycle races on the banked tracks where they go dead slow, waiting for an opening, then go like hell for leather when they see their chance.I wasn't too weorried about those little blue bastards---I think their audience is limited.I am very worried about the publicity that Captain America might be getting, and swamping Apes with---Cap's trailer looks awesome.John, Scrolls.

"The Hollywood Reporter" says that Fox has seen "much" of "Rise of the Apes" in making their decision to move it, so it sounds like the CG is under control and they might be close to a first cut. Again, it would seem to be in "much" better shape than the new "X-Men", which just recently finished shooting and has an early June debut. "Apes" finished shooting back in September.
The article also mentions that big summer releases spilling into August are becoming common (just as they've spread earlier and earlier into May to the point where the first big summer movie, "Thor", opens the first week of May; technically I don't think that's even summer).

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/fox-moves-up-rise-apes-170113

Sorry sir, we're placing a moratorium on talking about Heston. From now on we only talk about James Franco. : )

"Not while I live and breathe".


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 7:56 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] (OT) Ben-Hur is going Blu this Fall


From The Digital Bits:


Warner has just informed us that they'll be releasing their long-awaited Ben-Hur: 50th Anniversary Ultimate Collector's Edition on Blu-ray and DVD this fall! The "limited and numbered" edition will be available in stores in time for the holiday shopping season - specific street date and SRP TBA. Included will be a reproduction of the personal diary that Charlton Heston kept during the production, complete with personal photos and his own sketches. There will also be a new HD documentary on Heston's experiences during the making of the film, entitled Charlton Heston & Ben-Hur: A Personal Journey, which includes home movie footage shot by his wife Lydia inside the Colosseum set. That's in addition to all of the previous DVD special features, which include audio commentary, Ben-Hur: The 1925 Silent Version, the 2005 Ben-Hur: The Epic That Changed Cinema documentary, the 1994 Ben-Hur: The Making of an Epic documentary, the Ben-Hur: A Journey Through Pictures A/V presentation (featuring photos, storyboards, sketches, music and dialogue from the film), screen tests, vintage newsreels, highlights from the 1960 Academy Awards ceremony, trailers and more. You'll also get an exclusive book filled with production photos, production art and a reproduction of the original theatrical press book. The Blu-ray version will feature 2 BD-50s, while the DVD version will be a 5-disc set. And let me tell you, I've now had the chance to see before and after images of the new 6K HD restoration for Blu-ray, taken from the original 65mm camera elements, and the difference is stunning. Here's a look at the cover art for the package, and the open packaging for the DVD set...

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With "Rise" pushed to August that means the DVD will probably hit at Christmas (might be the reason it was moved). If Fox is actually planning to tie in a new POTA blu-ray it could make for a very Heston Christmas.


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 10:06 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] (OT) Ben-Hur is going Blu this Fall


That's great to hear. Thanks, Rory.
BEN-HUR is no Ten Commandments in my opinion but still great to see and have on bluray.

3 days to TC and counting. :o)

Al

My thoughts also Jeff. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> With "Rise" pushed to August that means the DVD will probably hit at Christmas (might be the reason it was moved). If Fox is actually planning to tie in a new POTA blu-ray it could make for a very Heston Christmas.
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> Whatever happened with the rarities DVD you had planned?

I still haven't had/made the time to finish adding the titles and
menus. I keep hoping to get that done soon....

Hunter

.html I did the Conquest box and the Return box for Sandy (as well as a Conquest card that is not shown). I have told Hunter that I will be giving him pictures of my custom POTA box work but have been busy. It is coming.

As far as Sandy's figures are concerned the guy throws his heart in soul into the work and they look dead solid fabulous, especially cartoon Urko.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: goathunter@...
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:52:47 -0500
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Custom Mego figures

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Kim & Liz Coincidences:

 

- Both Roddy McDowall's costars died at the age of 79.

 

- The protagonist of one of Kim's best know films is Taylor

 

- Both worked opposite the 2 greatest actors early on

  in their careers.  Marlon Brando & James Dean.

 

- Brando was a good friend of Taylor's and accepted her Oscar for her

 

- Both worked with animals in films with Roddy McDowall.

 

- One was born in America and had an English accent &

  The other was born in England & had an American accent.

 

- Both were married more than once and had children by

  different husbands.

 

- Oscar winner Kim costarred in a film with Warren Beatty

  brother of Shirley MacLaine who lost her Oscar to Taylor.

 

- Both have appeared in Soap Operas. Liz in General Hospital & All My Children, Kim in As The World 

  Turns.

 

- Taylor played a character with the last name Cole, Kim's real last name.

  Kim had characters with the fist names Elizabeth, Liz and Kitty.  Kitten

  was a nickname of Taylor's. Both have played characters that start with Z.

 

- Taylor did a movie called The Comedians.  Kim did a television drama called The Comedian

  with Taylor's National Velvet costar Mickey Rooney.

 

 

Coincidence?  Or something more?  You be the judge my friends!

 

 

 

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>>With Fox's announcement that "Apes" is moving to Aug. 5th, that

pretty much cuts the wait time in half. It's only a little over a month later than the original June date. More interestingly, it puts it a little over a week after the 10th anniversary of POTA2001. A new "Ape" decade has begun (hopefully).
Of course that means we'll be getting trailers, images, etc. a lot sooner. We have to get our nails done, buy some nice clothes and get ready. And it begs the biggest question of all: What if they move it to April 5?! << <.html

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>>...BOOM! has posted an official press release regarding its

upcoming POTA series:

http://www.hasslein books.com/ boom-studios- officially- announces- planet-of- the-apes- series.html/font> <<

 

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>>Did the Smurfs blink? On the heels of "Rise of the Apes" moving to

Aug. 5th, the "Smurfs" movie has been pushed up a week to July 29. I guess they'd rather open against "Cowboys and Aliens" than "Apes"? "Cowboys" is no small potatoes either, starring Daniel "James Bond" Craig and Harrison Ford and directed by Jon "Iron Man" Favreau. It's had good word of mouth. So maybe Sony has heard some scuttlebutt? Could the "Ape-tar" legends be true?<<<.html

Maybe, but it's curious that "Smurfs" was moved a few days after "Apes" arrived in town. I'm just sayin'.
As for August being a "dumping ground" I've always thought it was suicide that studios fight it out in summer instead of releasing throughout the year (which they are kinda starting to do). If people want to see a movie they'll see it. The big movies are released to so many theaters now that going to another movie because you can't get in is a thing of the past.

As for the release of the "classic" Ape movies, that was 40 years ago. POTA2001's release was more in tune with people's habits now. It was released around the time "Rise" will be and people went.


From: lawford42@...
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 4:03 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Smurfs" won't "Rise" to the occasion




More than likely it'd being done as a counter programming move against "Cowboys and Aliens". There's going to be a lot of people in theaters that weekend, and "Smurfs" would provide a family friendly alternative to "C&A". Plus there is the stigma of big budget films opening in August, although in the past few years releases such as Tropic Thunder and G.I. Joe have done quite well. That being said, if it's a quality film there's a very good chance it'll find an audience. I remember back in 1998 when the original "Blade" was released after months of delays ended up grossing $70 million domestically after everyone expected it to disappear after a few short weeks.

At one point August was a dumping ground, but then the studios- who created said dumping ground- realized that there was an opportunity to give a film that might otherwise disappear among a crowded schedule more room to flourish. Not that I'm expecting "Rise" to be anything but a major disappointment
just like PotA 2001 was, but I do see where Fox is coming from as far as the move is concerned.

BTW Jeff, I understand this: "It's the same time that Fox released POTA2001, which did well at the box office (might have done better if it was good)...", but not this: "...and if nothing else is a proven time of year when people will go to an "Ape" movie". We've had February, May, May, June and June, and then late July for the Burton travesty. I think the attendance had more to do with Fox's marketing than the time of year.


Chris L.

*** I think this third cover is actually a second cover to the second
issue... Two issues/two covers per issue... ***




In a message dated 3/27/2011 5:38:08 PM Central Standard Time,
lawford42@... writes:

> THREE covers?? They're taking the dick move that Dark Horse did back in
> 2001 and upping the ante with a third cover? Not cool.

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Full sized or miniature?

 

 

In a message dated 3/27/2011 6:22:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:

 

Guys guess what?  I'm so freaking excited...I'm going to sculpt my own Ursus helmet. 

 

Jess.

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Holy Scriptures, Batman! That's one good looking picture.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 5:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] (OT) TTC's first review is in!




This is one awesome Blu-ray!

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare11/the_ten_commandments_dvd_review.htm