>
> I've read the first issue of the new comic. I dunno. Some of it looks like a Merchant-Ivory movie. The story wasn't very interesting. We'll have to see how it pans out. I liked the art but I guess I'm more open-minded about that stuff. It's hard to see how it fits with "Battle" though. Like Lucy, they've got some 'splainin' to do. Most Ape fans will probably hate it. Doesn't look like comics have evolved in the 20 years since Adventure ("Caesarists"?). But this time I've got a movie to look forward to, so comics aren't the only game in town.
>

>
>
> Only 15 people in the theatre? That sucks.

>
> I've decided I'm not going to try and go to the Exhumed Films marathon in July. Why? The damned price of gas!!!!!
>

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> Lisa is in a sense channelling the Spirit of Zira in delivering that
> compassionate "No".

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> True. It reminds me of an episode of Cheers when Frazier and Lilith told their
> son, who was dressed like Spiderman, what would really happen if he were bitten
> by a radioactive spider. (Yes, I know you don't like comics but it adds to your
> point).
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> Exactly the right answer. Though it's somewhat fun to debate a reason for this
> within the context of the movie, I think it's time we reel back into reality on
> this one. The writers just didn't think about it at the time or didn't care. The
> social and political overtones, as most of us know, are what really drove the
> POTA movies.
>
>

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:37 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

In case anyone's interested, I created a preliminary cover gallery for the BOOM! series:

http://www.hassleinbooks.com/boom-studios-planet-of-the-apes-cover-gallery.html"

I'll add more details to it shortly.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Supreme Dalek <mhorg2018@...> wrote:

I'll keep this short and simple.

The good: the art was decent. It tries to follow the original apes timeline, starting 10 years (battles prologue was 2670 correct?) In 2680, with the same story by the lawgiver, that of Battle. Some humans couldn't speak and were referred to as 'silents', others wore furs and were kind of dumbasses.

The bad: everything else. I found the characters and story uninvolving. The idea of humans running around armed when apes are the rulers... the conspiracy idea is old, and somewhat in line with terror on the planet of the apes. I found the deus et machina unconvincing as well.

I came into this and left unimpressed. It was superior to anything Adventure did, but it was also bland. I wont be getting the second issue. This one didn't sell me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Great review. Deal breaker for me. Thank you.
>
> Jess.
>
>

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

I quite liked it. I'm intrigued by the storyline and characters--though I can't deny that people are right when pointing out the similarity to Terror's storyline--and I want to know more. I wish the main ape character had body fur, though. She looks like a human with sideburns; actually, she looks like a female chimp from the Burton films. But that's my only complaint. Otherwise, I very much enjoy both the writing and artwork. I'm sticking around.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Great review. Deal breaker for me. Thank you.
>
> Jess.
>
>

> The social and political overtones, as most of us know, are what really
> drove the POTA movies.
>

> Wrong! Zira did NOT continue to disect humans after her encounter with
> Taylor and most especially not after she and Cornelius were made privy to the
> truth in the Secret Scrolls that tp;d the truth about the origin of the
> Planet of the Apes.
>

> Indeed, we see Zira patching up wounded humans brought in by the gorillas
> from their hunts and wargame training in BENEATH

> Could it be that you're calling Zira a speciesist now because you somehow
> fancy yourself as in the "superior" caste of the orangutangs? :D
>

From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, Apr 30, 2011 00:53:48 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [pota] Planet of the Apes- issue 1 review NO SPOILERS

 

Great review. Deal breaker for me. Thank you.

Jess.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Supreme Dalek <mhorg2018@...> wrote:

I'll keep this short and simple.

The good: the art was decent. It tries to follow the original apes timeline, starting 10 years (battles prologue was 2670 correct?) In 2680, with the same story by the lawgiver, that of Battle. Some humans couldn't speak and were referred to as 'silents', others wore furs and were kind of dumbasses.

The bad: everything else. I found the characters and story uninvolving. The idea of humans running around armed when apes are the rulers... the conspiracy idea is old, and somewhat in line with terror on the planet of the apes. I found the deus et machina unconvincing as well.

I came into this and left unimpressed. It was superior to anything Adventure did, but it was also bland. I wont be getting the second issue. This one didn't sell me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> Eric Payton: "Exactly the right answer. Though it's somewhat fun to debate a reason for this within the context of the movie, I think it's time we reel back into reality on this one. The writers just didn't think about it at the time or didn't care. The social and political overtones, as most of us know, are what really drove the POTA movies."
>
> JohnM conquest-idor: "Of course, I, and people like me, dont believe their is a puposefull reason as to why things are done other than budget. Its all just fun talk. The only persons that have a real and direct account are the writers, in this case, Paul Dehn.
> Unlike some here, I feel he is an amzing writer when it came to the Apes sequels and any consternation has to be laid at the feet of Mort Abrahams and Fox and Jacobs. Imagine if the original Conquest and his early drafts of Battle were made as intended. It all started with him, and whatever happens after he hands in his script, when it is dilluted and polluted by many execs and others who control budget, has nothing to do with a vision or a story that Dehn originally
> intended, but what a specified budget calls for."
>
> On the contrary, if Dehn's vision for CONQUEST and BATTLE had been filmed as he'd originally written them, the series would have completed a very nihilistic and vicious circle with no redemptive meaning to it whatsoever, what would also have robbed the deaths of Zira, Cornelius, and Armando of any meaning as well.
>
> Moreover, the changes made to their respective scripts were NOT done primarily for budgetary reasons. They were made for other reasons, namely that had to do with preserving the integrity of the overarching ongoing epic storyline of all prior Apes films to date.
>
> Dehn's original scripted ending for CONQUEST felt counterintuitive, given the film, ESCAPE, which had preceeded it. It also felt more hopelessly downbeat and nihilistic as well.
>
> Dehn's original script for BATTLE felt counterintuitive because he seemed hellbent to simply create a nihilistic and vicious circle to the Apes storyline that robbed it of any and all redemptive qualities.
>
> Again, as I've noted prior, in regards to Dehn's original BATTLE script, you can almost hear the haunted voice of Ebeneezer Scrooge crying out to the Ghost of Christmas Future, "Why show me these dark visions of the future if by my henceforth living a changed life, I cannot alter them for the better?"
>

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 9:45 PM, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

Rich, it's good to make lemonade if it's lemons you got.

Jess.

On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 6:38 PM, rassmguy <handleyr@...> wrote:

I quite liked it. I'm intrigued by the storyline and characters--though I can't deny that people are right when pointing out the similarity to Terror's storyline--and I want to know more. I wish the main ape character had body fur, though. She looks like a human with sideburns; actually, she looks like a female chimp from the Burton films. But that's my only complaint. Otherwise, I very much enjoy both the writing and artwork. I'm sticking around.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> Great review. Deal breaker for me. Thank you.
>
> Jess.
>
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> JohnM Conquest-idor: "The biggest problem I feel with Jacobs was this family view of filmmaking. Leave the family filmmaking with family films. Give me sci-fi dark, political, and bloody (and I already loved Conquest, half the reason was the music score) so, of course, I love this version....Battle was a bust for the reasons you stated it was OK. So it speaks for itself. The best parts of Battle are the mutant parts that were excised for whatever reason for it gives a great explanation for their nihilistic and conceated attitudes in Beneath."
>
> It was 20th Century-Fox which insisted that BATTLE be more of a kiddie movie. To his credit, Jacobs successfully pulled the wool over their eyes by merely having kids show up at the end of the film to fulfill that pledge.
>
> But it wasn't because of family filmmaking that led Jacobs to change the original ending of CONQUEST. Dehn's more nihilistically charged ending offered violence that had no redemptive value for both apes and humans and that original ending threatened to make the series one nihilistically vicious circle of a storyline that would not have been edifyingly redemptive in the least.
>

> And yet, General Ursus in his speech to the Citizen's Council in BENEATH
> had clearly said that those humans lucky enough to survive would be
> utilized for research under the auspices "of the good Dr. Zaius."
>

> In POTA, before she had learned that Taylor was intelligent, Zira had
> entertained the notion of artificially stimulating the speech centers of
> humans because she hadn't found any anatomical reasons why humans couldn't talk.
>
> In that scene I've prior referred to which had originally been in the
> BENEATH script and was included in the novelization of BENEATH, Zira is NOT
> depicted surgically altering humans to try to make them talk. Instead, she's
> depicted patiently trying to teach them to talk just as one might try to
> teach a parrot to talk: by rote repetition.
>
>
>

> Did you mean to say *all brawn and no brain*?
>

> Yeah, Zira was the one who got the gorilla to let her keep the key to the
> wagon. How's he supposed to unlock it?

> It's RISE OF THE NEW PATRICK, right?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> I thought it was b/c a test audience didn't like the ending?
>
> I have to agree with John on this one (we seem to be agreeing a lot lately....as
> long as we stay away from comics and music then we can keep this up....haha). I
> like the original ending much better....more realistic. Why WOULDN'T Caesar have
> Breck killed? The guy was an ass. It's ok to kill policemen following orders but
> not the person giving them? Wrong....chop the head off of that damn evil snake.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> James King: "Could it be that you're calling Zira a speciesist now because you somehow fancy yourself as in the 'superior' caste of the orangutangs? :D "

>
> It takes place 600 years after "Battle" during the time of the Lawgiver sequences. Right at the point where in "Battle" it could go either way (hope for the future, etc.). We're dealing with a lot of time here. Societies change. I think it's crazy to assume the apes would wear the same kind of clothes from the time of "Battle" to the time of Taylor. 20 centuries!

>
> No. I've never had a website of my own dedicated to Apes. I feel that are
> already enough out there to enjoy. :)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:


> MlcCougar: "Nope, I call her that because of lines like 'Gorillas are cruel because they're stupid, all bone and no brain... ***
>
> James King: "Did you mean to say *all brawn and no brain*?"

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>>Looks like "Ape" fever is starting early. The "Rise of the POTA"

>>As with how the apes take over, the Taylor story could be an avenue

> Eric Payton: "I thought it was b/c a test audience didn't like the ending?"

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I've listened to the whole of Patrick Doyle's score for "Thor" and pretty much dug it. His work has been traditional stuff so it's hard to imagine how he'll fit as a POTA composer. Even Danny Elfman I could imagine. I think of POTA as offbeat and unique music. The stuff Bear McCreary did for "Battlestar Galactica" is more along those lines. But I've been catching up on Doyle's work and I think he'll do fine. He's doesn't spring to mind for this type of material. Then again, the director of "Rise of the POTA" has only done one feature, so it's the opposite of the "set in their ways" POTA2001. Hopefully this newness will bring something exciting.
> Here's some "Thor" tracks I especially liked:
>
> "Sons of Odin" (1:44): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVaCObEgxFE
>
> "A New King" (2:56): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guwPE4Xlx0c
>
> "Banishment" (1:49): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yWIgbVtdZM
>
> "Odin Confesses" (2:44): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x75k-X8YWUY
>
> "Science and Magic" (2:49): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpevdOGO-hQ
>
> "Earth to Asgard" (2:29): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1z1sovxbxQ
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> As many of you already know, I was one of several people on here defending comic books. I would still like some of the critics to realize that it's not the medium but the content that determines whether something is "adult" or "juvenile". FYI, if most modern comics were anything like the 60's Batman TV show then I would likely agree with the critics on here. There are some good comic artists and writers out there who do deserve at least some respect. If comics are good enough to be liked by a great fantasy writer such as George R. R. Martin and our own President, then they are good enough for me to pick up on occasion. As has been stated before, we should be happy now that POTA is getting the attention it deserves....a new movie, a new comic, an upcoming novel, and Sideshow and Hot Toys action figures (Ok, let's not start a new rant about how it's "juvenile" to be buying the action figures. Some of us happen to like and display them. Hot Toys General Ursus is awesome!!)
>
> That being said, one has to take the bad with the good. I am, quite frankly, disappointed with the very comic that I was highly anticipating. The local comic book store owner even gave me the promo poster (gorilla crushing the human skull....the good cover). But the writing seems rather predictable (FYI, there was likely an ape behind the assassination of the Lawgiver) and I do not like the art (chimps and orangutans with human noses? Really?) That's the real problem with comics....you can get a good writer but a bad artist or vice versa. In this case I'm not impressed with either. Comics can also be relatively expensive compared to novels. This is due to the artwork. But you can get more story content from a novel with the latter being at least $10 cheaper than a trade paperback (5 comics bound together). Oh well, I at least hope some of you are enjoying it so we can keep the POTA flame burning.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I think Fox is trying to forget POTA2001 ever happened. Maybe the comic company is trying to appeal to the fans of that (and there are some) which is the more recent version youngins might be more familiar with. I didn't get that feel too much, just with the lead apetress. It reminds me more if Merchant/Ivory did an "Apes".
>
>

will
planet
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I'm going to ask everyone to take a deep breath and calm down a bit. While we like spirited discussions, it is not a good idea to let them get too personal. Remember one simple rule, debate the issue not the person.

I would ask that everyone wait 24 hours before continuing this thread. To allow for a cooling off period. Well more than ask, demand. All replies to this thread will be deleted for the next 24 hours regardless of content.

In the meantime, I would ask that all review the Group's Guidelines before posting again: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/PostingGuidelines.htm

Thanks.

>
> Oh, and what was up with the Lawgiver's bushy human eyebrows?

> Oh, and what was up with the Lawgiver's bushy human eyebrows?

----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...>
Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2011 10:47 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Boom #1 impressions

> Oh, and what was up with the Lawgiver's bushy human eyebrows?
>
> It seems that you likely read my post and we are in agreement. If
> they get a new
> artist then I could possibly see myself giving it another chance
> despite the
> predictable storyline thus far. Possibly.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, and what was up with the Lawgiver's bushy human eyebrows?

When I saw a picture from the comic that was posted earlier, I was wondering whether that was some human/ape hybrid. That might sound silly, but there's been sillier said in the Apes universe. ;)

Despite my disinclination towards comics (not to be confused with rejection), I might be tempted to give this a read if I can find a copy easily in the UK (although from what I gather, it's sold out or something), but the comments so far do tend to add to the scepticism that exists within me.

Graham

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Patrick Doyle talks about his score for "Thor". Asked about his next project, he says, "I can't really talk of my music for "Apes", because it is still very much a work in progress. But hopefully my score will bring a fresh musical approach to the franchise". He acknowledges he will be compared to the composers who have gone "Ape" before him.
>
> http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=7864
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
>
> Oh, and what was up with the Lawgiver's bushy human eyebrows?
>
> It seems that you likely read my post and we are in agreement. If they get a new
> artist then I could possibly see myself giving it another chance despite the
> predictable storyline thus far. Possibly.
>
>

>
> I seemed to have forgotten that the POTA orangutans have eyebrows even though
> real ones do not. Oh, the shame. My bad.