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Is there any easy way to check? If it IS from 'King Arthur' I'll buy it, as a sort of alternative Rise score.I really like that trailer music!The dvd performance of The Hunt on the birthday discs is electrifying, possibly the best single part of the disc.Although, to be fair, The Omen segment does send shivers down the spine! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
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> It sounds alot like Hans Zimmers score for "King Arthur" with Clive Owen.Must go to my bluray. JohnM.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Pity, because I really, really love that music! Anybody know what it is?I hope Paddy Doyle gives Rise the score it clearly deserves---I'm very optimistic. John, Scrolls.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > No, he's probably still working on the music. Maybe recording it by now.
> > >
> > >
> >
>

On Total Film's web page, guess which hairy revolutionary currently holds this title.It aint Castro.John, Scrolls.

> The August 2011 issue of "SCI- FI" (the official magazine of the
> Sci-fi Channel) has the first print article I've seen of "Rise of the
> POTA". It doesn't seem to be on the internet so I guess this is my
> exclusive. ; )

It also has a review of Robert McCammon's new novel, THE FIVE, which I
heartily recommend!

http://www.robertmccammon.com/

I run the website....

And to keep it somewhat on-topic: I totally forgot that Rise was
listed on the cover and hadn't actually read the article yet. Thanks
for the reminder.

Hunter

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I dig it. Put it in theaters.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news?a=40528

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> Oh, so now we might yet get the nuclear war thing in a possible sequel? It still won't match the continuity of the original films. I wish they'd drop the nuclear war thing in favor of a large meteor or meteor storm, possibly because of a collision with the moon. That could still get you to the original. It's the sequels that insisted on there having been a nuclear war, but if you look at the original film as standing alone, anything is possible.

But isn't the nature of Planet of the Apes the point that humanity brings down its own downfall? The book and the original films (even the Burton one) all suggest or imply this. Wouldn't a nuclear war, or some other man-made calamity, just be a continuance of that theme, rather than some random, "act of God" meteor storm/asteroid hit?


Graham

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The hobbits weren't hobbit sized.

King Kong was 18" tall.

 

 

In a message dated 6/28/2011 12:35:56 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Wasn't Chambers like 5 foot five?

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The moon is getting further away. I doubt that it would be gone in a couple of thousand years though.  The bigger question is, if the had no moon, how was there a "high tide"?

 

 

In a message dated 6/28/2011 10:24:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

It was never plausible that a nuclear war alone would change the North American topography so drastically in just two thousand years,....  and why was there no moon in 3978 A.D.?

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The "No Moon" statement was just a dramatic line thrown in to say to the audience that its not earth IMHO. Cornelius says later on to Taylor that "you cant ride along the shore at high tide" "and we had no boats on our last expedition". Only a 'moon' can change the tides or so I was taught, so thats how I figure it. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Humanity has already brought itself down by the end of RISE. I'm not thinking about that, I'm thinking about a more plausible explanation as to how the world got into the shape it was in the original film. It was never plausible that a nuclear war alone would change the North American topography so drastically in just two thousand years,.... and why was there no moon in 3978 A.D.?
>
> -- Rory
>

Taylor in Planet said in his soliloqy at the end "You blew it up" and "You finnaly 'really' did it" if that is not a response to a nuclear war as it was implied I dont know what else it can be. Also(In Rise) why cant the ape intelligent airisol have a detrimental long term effect on humans and basically give new borns a brain retro disease or in other words the spray works backwards on Man and thats what makes them dumb in the future. As people are getting dumb they get more and more paranoid and start a war that wipes out most life. Just a thought. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> "There is a war in this film, a riot, and an epic climax on the Golden Gate Bridge, but it's not quite the nuclear type of war that's destined to follow. We definitely think this story is a great platform for future films and that's why we're only showing the early stages of the ape uprising because we think this is an interesting story".
>
> Oh, so now we might yet get the nuclear war thing in a possible sequel? It still won't match the continuity of the original films. I wish they'd drop the nuclear war thing in favor of a large meteor or meteor storm, possibly because of a collision with the moon. That could still get you to the original. It's the sequels that insisted on there having been a nuclear war, but if you look at the original film as standing alone, anything is possible.
>
> "I still say it won't completely work as a prequel to the original because the original Taylor was a 21st Century astronaut."
>
> Yeah, but that's the kind of thing that really needs revising because we now know there couldn't have been an interstellar flight in 1972. All things in the original film series that are now dated are fair game for revision, and I'm all for it.
>
> -- Rory
>

Since "Transformers 3" opens today, this seemed ape-propriate. Shia LaBeouf says he was in negotiations to star in "Rise of the POTA" but decided to walk away. Not a bad reflection on the movie but he felt he'd done enough big spectacle stuff and wanted to shake up his image. He also turned down James Franco's role in "127 Hrs.". Instead he played a moonshiner in "The Wettest Country in the World".
It's interesting to think of what kind of baggage Shia would've brought to "Rise". Franco has his own baggage but he's still lower profile than LaBeouf. I think it would've changed the dynamic of the movie and colored the perception ("Apesformers"?).

http://www.details.com/celebrities-entertainment/cover-stars/201108/shia-labeouf-actor-transformers-indiana-jones-wall-street?currentPage=5

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I want news on a NOVELISATION!!!! I want it! I want it!! I want it!!! I like Apews novels.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> > The August 2011 issue of "SCI- FI" (the official magazine of the
> > Sci-fi Channel) has the first print article I've seen of "Rise of the
> > POTA". It doesn't seem to be on the internet so I guess this is my
> > exclusive. ; )
>
> It also has a review of Robert McCammon's new novel, THE FIVE, which I
> heartily recommend!
>
> http://www.robertmccammon.com/
>
> I run the website....
>
> And to keep it somewhat on-topic: I totally forgot that Rise was
> listed on the cover and hadn't actually read the article yet. Thanks
> for the reminder.
>
> Hunter
>

They just couldn't see the friggin' moon. It was there. At least there wasn't three moons like Burton's.


From: LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:55 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise" article (possible spoilers)





The moon is getting further away. I doubt that it would be gone in a couple of thousand years though. The bigger question is, if the had no moon, how was there a "high tide"?


In a message dated 6/28/2011 10:24:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
It was never plausible that a nuclear war alone would change the North American topography so drastically in just two thousand years,.... and why was there no moon in 3978 A.D.?

So, as people get dumb they get paranoid? You're hinting about me, aren't you? I knew you were up to something, John. What's your end game, huh?


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:26 PM
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Taylor in Planet said in his soliloqy at the end "You blew it up" and "You finnaly 'really' did it" if that is not a response to a nuclear war as it was implied I dont know what else it can be. Also(In Rise) why cant the ape intelligent airisol have a detrimental long term effect on humans and basically give new borns a brain retro disease or in other words the spray works backwards on Man and thats what makes them dumb in the future. As people are getting dumb they get more and more paranoid and start a war that wipes out most life. Just a thought. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> "There is a war in this film, a riot, and an epic climax on the Golden Gate Bridge, but it's not quite the nuclear type of war that's destined to follow. We definitely think this story is a great platform for future films and that's why we're only showing the early stages of the ape uprising because we think this is an interesting story".
>
> Oh, so now we might yet get the nuclear war thing in a possible sequel? It still won't match the continuity of the original films. I wish they'd drop the nuclear war thing in favor of a large meteor or meteor storm, possibly because of a collision with the moon. That could still get you to the original. It's the sequels that insisted on there having been a nuclear war, but if you look at the original film as standing alone, anything is possible.
>
> "I still say it won't completely work as a prequel to the original because the original Taylor was a 21st Century astronaut."
>
> Yeah, but that's the kind of thing that really needs revising because we now know there couldn't have been an interstellar flight in 1972. All things in the original film series that are now dated are fair game for revision, and I'm all for it.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> Humanity has already brought itself down by the end of RISE. I'm not thinking about that, I'm thinking about a more plausible explanation as to how the world got into the shape it was in the original film. It was never plausible that a nuclear war alone would change the North American topography so drastically in just two thousand years,.... and why was there no moon in 3978 A.D.?
>

Because the moon couldn't be seen due to the total cloud cover during night? I mean, the weather was mentioned by the three astronauts. Maybe it was hiding at other times, feeling bashful. Maybe it went off in a journey in 1999, visiting other worlds. Oh, those pesky writers and their trying to tie all loose knots.

Then again, and realising that you must know one of the above (sorry), I believe your point is to suggest that the appearance of the missing moon could be used to indicate that a shower of moon rocks on Earth after the moon either gets destroyed or lost orbit due to a heavy asteroid impact, has caused the topographical change on the North American continent and beyond. I think I've finally caught up.

It's an interesting idea, but I do think that the moon getting destroyed or even ripping off from its orbit is bound to really decimate most of the large multicellular lifeforms on the planet due to the forces and energy involved. This won't be like some big volcano or earthquake. Still, as a stretch, and that's in the nature of most science fiction, it's an interesting idea.


Graham

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Perhaps it had been knocked into a geosynchronous orbit

on the other side of the earth.  Just kidding.  No doubt that

would have the earth spinning like an unbalanced washing machine.

 

 

In a message dated 6/29/2011 11:33:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

They just couldn't see the friggin' moon. It was there. At least there wasn't three moons like Burton's.

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Here's a Japanese "Rise" commercial that includes a few new shots. They deserve it since reportedly they don't get the movie until October. : (
But why does it say August 11? Thanks to Al for the head's up (and Happy Birthday!).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsRTYdXSOGk

While we're at it, here's James Franco in "Rise" - - - er, um, "Rising", a music video. Don't ask, I guess he likes the "R" word:

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/immaculate-noise/posts/watch-james-franco-kalup-linzy-in-rising-music-video

Not to be confused with the Boss's "The Rising" :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNnB4dkVRJI

True. Its the movies though, and I really dont think it was written for any other reason,Apes is not 2001 is it. Its fairly and intelligently written with not so much high brow innuendo and questionability as 2001.In other words thats what the film is about, how man will destroy himself if he doesnt change. A good point about the landscape. Maybe a nut fired a thousand nukes at the moon and it exploded and furthur decimated the landscape. We still had high and low tides though so go figure, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Taylor in Planet said in his soliloqy at the end "You blew it up" and "You finnaly 'really' did it" if that is not a response to a nuclear war as it was implied I dont know what else it can be.
>
> No possibility he was wrong? How would he know?
>
> -- Rory
>

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Who owns POTA? HE owns POTA! For those interested, here's the story of da boss, including comments from Peter "Rise of the POTA" Chernin.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/peter-chernin-talks-about-rupert-murdoch/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> Anyone want to play "What will be the running time of RISE?" We're just one month away from finding out but I'm already curious. PLANET has the longest running time of the original films at 112 minutes. I wish it was longer. POTA 2001 ran just over two hours, but the last ten minutes or so was end credits. It actually matched the original's 112 minutes.
>
> Will anyone feel cheated if RISE ends up being only an 87 minutes movie like CONQUEST or BATTLE? I think I will. I'm hoping the new movie is at least 100 minutes -- not including the end credits.
>
> -- Rory
>

OK, I'll play. Credits included (eight minutes), I'll say 117 minutes in total.


Graham

Still, nukes are a big part of the original POTA saga. It would be a hard sell to tell people this leads up to the '68 film but disregard the sequels. "Superman Returns" tried that (a mish mash of new stuff plus continuity with the first two films; the other two didn't happen). "Superman Returns" lacked our facilities, but it also became unpopular. Historically unpopular. And we don't want that to happen, do we? It's better to just start fresh as it's own thing.



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 7:32 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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True. Its the movies though, and I really dont think it was written for any other reason,Apes is not 2001 is it. Its fairly and intelligently written with not so much high brow innuendo and questionability as 2001.In other words thats what the film is about, how man will destroy himself if he doesnt change. A good point about the landscape. Maybe a nut fired a thousand nukes at the moon and it exploded and furthur decimated the landscape. We still had high and low tides though so go figure, Take care, John M.





Everyone should remember that the nuclear war angle was Serling's and a major anxiety of the '50s and '60s, but it died in the '70s -- at least I haven't worried about the bomb since then. Boulle never mentioned nuclear war in the book, so I think it's legitimate if this new APES series -- if there is one -- does go the nuclear route.

-- Rory

> Anyone planning on seeing the new Kevin James -- and no doubt
> brilliant -- comedy ZOOKEPPER? An animatronic/guy-in-a-suit gorilla
> plays a prominent part, but looking at clips from this, I think Fox
> was very wise to go the CGI route.

> http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi593927449/

> No matter how good the suit, a guy in a suit is always a guy in a suit.

Fortunately, that'll work fine for THE ZOOKEEPER. And yes, I plan to
see it sometime. Kevin James made PAUL BLART, MALL COP funny, and he
was the best part of HITCH. I think THE ZOOKEEPER looks entertaining
enough....

Hunter

That script that made the rounds is 113 pages which equals 113 minutes of screen time (a page a minute is the rule of thumb). So maybe 112 minutes. They seem to be following the script except for some better dialogue and character tweaks (the scene in the trailer where Freida Pinto meets Caesar wasn't in the script).
If it's shorter, fine, if the movie's good. One of my faves is the remake of "The Fly" which was 96 minutes (and came out in August). If "Rise" is that good, I'll be happy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eosfXtuGS8



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 8:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] RISE Running Time




Anyone want to play "What will be the running time of RISE?" We're just one month away from finding out but I'm already curious. PLANET has the longest running time of the original films at 112 minutes. I wish it was longer. POTA 2001 ran just over two hours, but the last ten minutes or so was end credits. It actually matched the original's 112 minutes.

Will anyone feel cheated if RISE ends up being only an 87 minutes movie like CONQUEST or BATTLE? I think I will. I'm hoping the new movie is at least 100 minutes -- not including the end credits.

-- Rory

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This is part of a double feature with Battle on HBO Family today. I can't help thinking of a Friday in July of 1973 when I went to my local theater to see Battle for the first time and found out Planet was a second feature.

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Not only is there a new POTA movie coming soon (and possible sequels) but there's becoming a cottage industry of movies about POTA people. There's "Argo", about John Chambers trying to rescue hostages, James Franco is making a bio about Sal Mineo, and now a Rod Serling movie is being written. Serling of course was a writer on the original POTA. The movie is being written by Stanley Weiser, who went to film school with Oliver Stone and wound up writing "Wall Street" and "W.". The director is Andrew Meieran ("Highland Park") and it's being produced by Serling's wife Carol.
What's next, "The James Franciscus Story"?

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50229

In an inspired offshoot from "Rise of the POTA", director Rupert Wyatt and actor Andy (Caesar) Serkis are considering filming an adaptation of the classic "Animal Farm" using the same performance capture stuff that will soon make you believe apes can be revolting. George Orwell's novel uses the revolt of farm animals to make pointed political comments and was even given a nod in the original POTA (Some apes are more equal than others). This would be a great companion piece to "Rise" in particular and would probably be even more appropriate for CG than the more realistic apes. Of course, where Wyatt's career goes has a lot to do with how "Rise" does. Right now he looks to be doing the British TV miniseries "The Echo Chamber" next. And of course a successful "Rise" might necessitate getting into sequel mode. Can't put the cart before the human.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/2011/07/01/andy_serkis_and_apes_director_rupert_wyatt_want_to_make_mo_cap_version_of_a/

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You're right. That line is a throwaway to mislead the audience or at least keep them from
thinking, why didn't Taylor figure out he's on Earth by looking at the night sky.

Now there has to be a moon since without it there wouldn't be an waves on the beach at the end of the film.

I have a personal theory to explain this discrepency. Early during the nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US developed a protype of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon is no good unless your enemies know you have it and appreciate it's power. So the US demonstrated the device by exploding it on the surface of the moon. That blew off most of the moon's crust creating a ring of small asteroids around the Earth (which accounts for the 'strange luminosity' and maybe the meteor storms that Taylor spoke of) but left one or two very large chunks of the original moon in orbit (which would provide the gravatational pull needed for tides).

I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> The "No Moon" statement was just a dramatic line thrown in to say to the audience that its not earth IMHO. Cornelius says later on to Taylor that "you cant ride along the shore at high tide" "and we had no boats on our last expedition". Only a 'moon' can change the tides or so I was taught, so thats how I figure it. John M.
>

Make that two ordered.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Ordered.
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> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 2, 2011 8:37 am
> Subject: [pota] Reduced price for Conspiracy
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>

Not bad, not bad. I always thought that man always takes his ideas and his garbage to other worlds for testing and such. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> You're right. That line is a throwaway to mislead the audience or at
> least keep them from
> thinking, why didn't Taylor figure out he's on Earth by looking at the
> night sky.
>
> Now there has to be a moon since without it there wouldn't be an waves
> on the beach at the end of the film.
>
> I have a personal theory to explain this discrepency. Early during the
> nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US developed a
> protype of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon is no good
> unless your enemies know you have it and appreciate it's power. So the
> US demonstrated the device by exploding it on the surface of the moon.
> That blew off most of the moon's crust creating a ring of small
> asteroids around the Earth (which accounts for the 'strange luminosity'
> and maybe the meteor storms that Taylor spoke of) but left one or two
> very large chunks of the original moon in orbit (which would provide the
> gravatational pull needed for tides).
>
> I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > The "No Moon" statement was just a dramatic line thrown in to say to
> the audience that its not earth IMHO. Cornelius says later on to Taylor
> that "you cant ride along the shore at high tide" "and we had no boats
> on our last expedition". Only a 'moon' can change the tides or so I was
> taught, so thats how I figure it. John M.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> I have a personal theory to explain this discrepancy. Early during the nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US developed a protype of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon is no good unless your enemies know you have it and appreciate it's power. So the US demonstrated the device by exploding it on the surface of the moon. That blew off most of the moon's crust creating a ring of small asteroids around the Earth (which accounts for the 'strange luminosity' and maybe the meteor storms that Taylor spoke of) but left one or two very large chunks of the original moon in orbit (which would provide the gravitational pull needed for tides).
>
> I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it.
>
> Yeah, and that could have created a meteor storm that helped turn the northern hemisphere into complete "Utah Country." But all of this is neither here nor there. I'm talking about the new APES series to come (hopefully), with a more plausible, though still improbable, explanation of how the world could become the desert planet of 3978 A.D as seen in the original film.
>
> Some of you are just too attached to the nuclear war thing (which is now so retro)... and I know why...
>
> YOU'RE A BUNCH OF MUTANT LOVERS!!!!
>
> If Fox does create a new series of APES films, how many here really want to bring human mutants into it again? Do we need that?
>
> I think BENEATH and BATTLE are the worst of the original series, and the mutants are boring.
>
> Let's propose possible sequel scenarios for RISE. I have an idea that during the events of RISE, there are a group of astronauts in the orbiting International Space Station (a more elaborate future one, of course) that are not exposed to the Alzheimer's cure virus. After a period of time on earth, the virus dies out but leaves the human race mentally dumb, and soon huge populations starve and die of disease. The Space Station astronauts, who for the same amount of time have been in hyperbolic sleep in order to preserve their food and water, now have to return to earth when the supplies finally run out, and do so in a launch vehicle (one or two) not unlike the one in Boulle's book. Once back on earth though, the astronauts must battle for survival against an emerging and savage ape civilization, and so the POTA cycle goes on.
>
> That's my nuke-free scenario, but of course nukes could be brought into it -- if you must.
>
> Oh, one more thing, only a group of mad men would create an Alpha-Omega bomb, much less test it on the moon, so you'd really be stretching things with that scenario.
>
> -- Rory
>

This scenario would or could bring in Burtons movie and the super intelligent apes on that space station where testing could be done in private sort of speak. This Rise movie could easily explain and incorporate Burtons film easier than the original films. Werent they doing the same chomosome enhanced gene spliced experiments that Francos apes were subjected too. We end up with TWO planet of the apes. The Burton one and the Earthbound one.Think about it. Though I know Fox wants to distant itself from the 2w001 film but it could fit in rather easily in my view. Take care, John M.

"Animal Farm" was an attack on Trotskyism, which George Orwell had first hand experience with. The pig character Snowball was based on Trotsky. Who played Trotsky for Franklin Schaffner ("Nicholas and Alexandra")? Brian Cox. If Rupert Wyatt cast Brian Cox as Snowball, I could dig it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm


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Seems to me that this might just end up like a more depressing version of BABE. They should think of something else.

Astronauts are very retro too now, at least as far as going to the moon or other planets. And they're going to have an astronaut.
One thing Andy Serkis said was when they discussed sequels, they never brought up Caesar.
The realistic scenario is that the "conquest" takes place in the future. How long would it take Caesar to round up enough apes to take over? A decimated humanity would give them a chance to breed but it would still take time. With CG, Serkis doesn't have to play Caesar, just as Roddy could play other apes. Would the apes really even have a war with humans? I could see it as a slow demise of humans as the apes build up. But that wouldn't be very dramatic.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:45 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" article (possible spoilers)






I have a personal theory to explain this discrepancy. Early during the nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US developed a protype of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon is no good unless your enemies know you have it and appreciate it's power. So the US demonstrated the device by exploding it on the surface of the moon. That blew off most of the moon's crust creating a ring of small asteroids around the Earth (which accounts for the 'strange luminosity' and maybe the meteor storms that Taylor spoke of) but left one or two very large chunks of the original moon in orbit (which would provide the gravitational pull needed for tides).

I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it.
Yeah, and that could have created a meteor storm that helped turn the northern hemisphere into complete "Utah Country." But all of this is neither here nor there. I'm talking about the new APES series to come (hopefully), with a more plausible, though still improbable, explanation of how the world could become the desert planet of 3978 A.D as seen in the original film.

Some of you are just too attached to the nuclear war thing (which is now so retro)... and I know why...

YOU'RE A BUNCH OF MUTANT LOVERS!!!!

If Fox does create a new series of APES films, how many here really want to bring human mutants into it again? Do we need that?

I think BENEATH and BATTLE are the worst of the original series, and the mutants are boring.

Let's propose possible sequel scenarios for RISE. I have an idea that during the events of RISE, there are a group of astronauts in the orbiting International Space Station (a more elaborate future one, of course) that are not exposed to the Alzheimer's cure virus. After a period of time on earth, the virus dies out but leaves the human race mentally dumb, and soon huge populations starve and die of disease. The Space Station astronauts, who for the same amount of time have been in hyperbolic sleep in order to preserve their food and water, now have to return to earth when the supplies finally run out, and do so in a launch vehicle (one or two) not unlike the one in Boulle's book. Once back on earth though, the astronauts must battle for survival against an emerging and savage ape civilization, and so the POTA cycle goes on.

That's my nuke-free scenario, but of course nukes could be brought into it -- if you must.

Oh, one more thing, only a group of mad men would create an Alpha-Omega bomb, much less test it on the moon, so you'd really be stretching things with that scenario.

-- Rory

Screw ComicCon! The apes will rise July 7th at CalTech, including new footage and a panel (the director, Andy Serkis, Joe Letteri of WETA). Sounds tempting. Hmm...

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/45407/rise-planet-apes-begins-caltech-institute-july-7th

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

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> Screw ComicCon! The apes will rise July 7th at CalTech, including new footage and a panel (the director, Andy Serkis, Joe Letteri of WETA). Sounds tempting. Hmm...
>
> http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/45407/rise-planet-apes-begins-caltech-institute-july-7th
>

Plus, Pasadena is a lot closer to home and less expensive to
attend.
Of course, I went to the website given here, and no time was
given. So, I may have to miss it due to Thursday being a workday.
Whoever is able to make it to the preview, share what you
observed, so the rest who couldn't make it won't feel too
left out.

It's at 8 PM.

http://events.caltech.edu/events/event-8361.html"


From: Pawfan
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:54 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" CalTech event July 7th

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Screw ComicCon! The apes will rise July 7th at CalTech, including new footage and a panel (the director, Andy Serkis, Joe Letteri of WETA). Sounds tempting. Hmm...
>
> http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/45407/rise-planet-apes-begins-caltech-institute-july-7th
>
Plus, Pasadena is a lot closer to home and less expensive to
attend.
Of course, I went to the website given here, and no time was
given. So, I may have to miss it due to Thursday being a workday.
Whoever is able to make it to the preview, share what you
observed, so the rest who couldn't make it won't feel too
left out.

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Ape Management says a new trailer and other footage for "Rise" are on the way this week. Probably the stuff that will be shown at CalTech.
Makes me want to sing, but I'll let Andy Serkis do that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG2FzHjzJj8

Already this Summer of the Apes a movie has reached the exclusive box office club of $1 billion worldwide. This past weekend "Pirates 4" ("Strange Tides" or something) passed the $ 1 billion mark. That makes 8 films in that membership ("Pirates" is now the only franchise with 2 entries in there). They are: 1. "Avatar"; 2. "Titanic"; 3. "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King"; 4. "Dead Man's Chest" (Pirates 2? 3?); 5. "Toy Story 3"; 6. "Alice in Wonderland" (Hi Tim!); 7. "Pirates 4"; 8. "The Dark Knight".
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/world/
Will "Rise of the POTA" join that group? It would be insane to assume so. For starters, it won't be released in 3D, and many of those movies had inflated results from the higher 3D prices (the US has tired of 3D but it's just getting warmed up in some countries); also, most of those films take place in alternative settings, fantasy lands or the past. "Rise" takes place in modern times and in mundane everyday settings. The only film on that list that comes close is "The Dark Knight" (which the "Rise" creators said is their model). And of course most of them are sequels to recent movies, which "Rise" is not.
On the plus side, #1 and # 3 have effects by WETA; #1 and #2 were directed by James Cameron, who has worked extensively with the editors of "Rise". #6 was directed by a dude who also did a POTA movie. And...that's all I've got.
So, no, "Rise of the POTA" won't make $ 1 billion. What were you thinking?! And yet...did we expect any of these movies to join the Billionaire Club? "Avatar" was a laughing stock before it started raking in the dough. "Titanic" looked to be a REAL disaster. "Alice in Wonderland"? Really? So anything can happen in the crazy business of movies.
The dice rolls in a month.

I've just had an update from Amazon telling me Cpnspiracy has been delayed until September.Ghaaaahhhh.John, Scrolls.

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That chatterbox Tom Felton got the CG bug while doing "Rise of the POTA" and grilled Andy Serkis about it. It's a path he'd like to pursue: "In this film you're going to see such advances in the CGI that you're going to look back at the old apes costumes and really think "that's history".
Not while I live and breathe.

http://www.totalfilm.com/news/tom-felton-talks-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-cgi-leap

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Happy Birthday. Don't do anything we wouldn't do (but we know you will).

James A.: "You're right. That line is a throwaway to mislead the audience or at least keep them from thinking, why didn't Taylor figure out he's on Earth by looking at the night sky. Now there has to be a moon since without it there wouldn't be an waves on the beach at the end of the film."

Ah, but you forgot about the other dialogue accompanying that reference to "no moon" wherein the astronauts were perplexed by the overcast skies with occasional strange lightshows of lightning but no rain.

Moreover, the Moon might not have been out at night on the two nights when the astronauts had those overcast skies anyway. More significantly, if the skies had not been overcast, the astronauts would probably have been able to have discerned by the overhead stars and constellations that they were likely on Earth.


James A.: "I have a personal theory to explain this discrepency. Early during the nuclear war that destroyed mankind's civilization the US developed a protype of the Alpha-Omega bomb. Now an ultimate weapon is no good unless your enemies know you have it and appreciate it's power. So the US demonstrated the device by exploding it on the surface of the moon. That blew off most of the moon's crust creating a ring of small asteroids around the Earth (which accounts for the 'strange luminosity' and maybe the meteor storms that Taylor spoke of) but left one or two very large chunks of the original moon in orbit (which would provide the gravatational pull needed for tides).I'm sure this theory is not perfect and there are holes in it."

Even as far back as 1968-69, I recall my father once telling me about his having read somewhere (possibly something in U.S. News & World Reports magazine, which he used to subscribe to) about the development of an atomic bomb that was so powerful, it could destroy the world but supposedly hadn't yet been assembled because of the risks involved in preventing it from ever being accidentally set off or misused. Supposedly, it would only be assembled if the U.S. was ever invaded or atom-bombed. That certainly sounded like the the general premise of the Alpha Omega bomb.

I don't buy the premise of a trial Alpha Omega bomb exploding on the Moon and causing astroid-collision sort of catastrophic destruction. The ferocity of the Alpha Omega bomb was that it literally burned up Earth's atmosphere and charred the Earth itself to a burned-out cinder. Although the Moon has a very weak atmosphere, its oxygen-deprived atmosphere would not be as spectacular in burning up as seen from space compared to that of the Earth. Unfortunately, the Moon is already seen as a dead world and its being burned by the Alpha Omega bomb might scar it significantly but I'm not sure how widespread it would be since the Moon does not have much, if any, significant amount of oxygen to burn up in its atmosphere.

This month's Empire magazine has an excellent Rise feature.It sounds very promising on the sequels front.I always think the true test of CGI is whether it holds up in photographs--Rise definitely does.Next month's SFX is due to have a Rise feature too.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> That chatterbox Tom Felton got the CG bug while doing "Rise of the POTA" and grilled Andy Serkis about it. It's a path he'd like to pursue: "In this film you're going to see such advances in the CGI that you're going to look back at the old apes costumes and really think "that's history".
> Not while I live and breathe.
>
> http://www.totalfilm.com/news/tom-felton-talks-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-cgi-leap
>

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Happy birthday, Mr. Ballard!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Happy Birthday. Don't do anything we wouldn't do (but we know you will).
>

The chimp documentary "Project Nim" hits theaters this Friday (if you can find it). Might be a good ape-tizer for "Rise".

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/2011/07/05/review_project_nim_is_a_tragic_look_at_the_life_of_the_ape_that_was_raised_/

Happy Birthday Dave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 10:26 AM, Tim "apefan" <apefan23@...> wrote:

Have a great birthday Dave!!!

Tim

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I don't get it. "Rise of the POTA" has a Dodge and a Pinto in it, so why are they sponsoring a Ford?

http://www.tomydrissi.com/news/no-37-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-ford-finishes-27th-at-I.html"

Well its PG-13 and we knew it would of been. I would of loved an R rated smaller film but the images on those trailers are getting more and more thought provoking and scarier if you like. It looks like a good time is guarenteed for all...Take Care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=41062
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This month's Empire magazine has an excellent Rise feature.It sounds very promising on the sequels front.I always think the true test of CGI is whether it holds up in photographs--Rise definitely does.Next month's SFX is due to have a Rise feature too.John, Scrolls.

There's also a magazine on the stands that I looked at last week while trying to find those BOOM! POTA comics, which I failed to find.  It's a thick special issue of something on the "25 Greatest SF Films."  There were several pages on the entire APES series with many nice photos, most of which look captured from DVDs or Blu-rays, but very nice anyway.  I didn't buy it though as it was $20!

 

-- Rory 

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Pinto is a Ford...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I don't get it. "Rise of the POTA" has a Dodge and a Pinto in it, so why are they sponsoring a Ford?
>
> http://www.tomydrissi.com/news/no-37-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-ford-finishes-27th-at-I.html"
>

These TV Spot set the hairs up on the back of my neck.In the first one, the bit where Caesar does the chimp 'laugh' with Will reminds me, somehow, of Cornelius' sly giggle in Escape when Zira is teasing Lewis over the tests in the cage.I want to go out and make a Tom Felton voodoo doll!!!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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>
>
> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/Wolvie09/news/?a=41062
>

Thanks, One and All...

I'm not really 50... I'm two 25 year olds in one cuddly package!

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Happy birthday, Dave!
>
> Al
>

You know as well as I that the rating system was in its infancy and did not have a good standard to go by. Only very excessive blood and a load of f***ks and nudity would be an R rating or an M(Mature) rating in those early days of late 1968 to 71. The Apes films would all be PG-PG-13 today and Conquest in original form could almost have garnered and X for violence. Then when cut got a GP rating then when released the GP rating was gone and PG was put in its place. GP was a precurser to PG-13 as it was created for the General Adult Public, but it was given to films to close to R(M) so the PG moniker was born. Jacobs always said a kids franchise but if that was true we really would not care for them anymore and they would not be attracting new modern fans like they do. I like R because its truthfull. Life is X rated so R is an OK compromise.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know. It would seem odd if the franchise we loved as kids and were mostly rated "G" was rated "R". The producer said it would be a "hard" PG-13 so that's good enough for me. It would be realistic but do we really want to see apes ripping people's faces off (especially given recent events)?
>
>

I thought a Pinto was a horse.Please insert own riding joke.John.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>
> Pinto is a Ford...John M.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't get it. "Rise of the POTA" has a Dodge and a Pinto in it, so why are they sponsoring a Ford?
> >
> > http://www.tomydrissi.com/news/no-37-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-ford-finishes-27th-at-I.html"
> >
>

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You made a very wise choice--that big mag is just a collection of earlier articles already published in the mag.Next moth's issue of SciFiNow will, the current issue blurbs, have a lead faeture on Rise 'the summer's most controversial blockbuster'.Huhh?? John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> This month's Empire magazine has an excellent Rise feature.It sounds very promising on the sequels front.I always think the true test of CGI is whether it holds up in photographs--Rise definitely does.Next month's SFX is due to have a Rise feature too.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> There's also a magazine on the stands that I looked at last week while trying to find those BOOM! POTA comics, which I failed to find. It's a thick special issue of something on the "25 Greatest SF Films." There were several pages on the entire APES series with many nice photos, most of which look captured from DVDs or Blu-rays, but very nice anyway. I didn't buy it though as it was $20!
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, One and All...
>
> I'm not really 50... I'm two 25 year olds in one cuddly package!
>
> Dave
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz pota1968@ wrote:
> >
> > Happy birthday, Dave!
> >
> > Al
> >
>

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Australia probably gets the movie earliest, on August 4rth. Here's an interview with WETA's Joe Letteri, mate. It gets a little awkward when he's asked about "Avatar 2", since Cameron announced he's going to do the FX in the U.S. with home grown talent. More room on the WETA schedule for "Ape" sequels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ9_uODD9uk

And here's an Aussie trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBGkfvW7io

Thanks to Al for the head's up.

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Yeah, Pintos were very unsafe cars. I or should I say my friend was driving my Dodge Charger and he hit a pinto in the rear. No explostion but gas started to leak. Good times, life in 1978, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> A Pinto is a Ford but not all Fords are Pintos. Some Fords are more equal than others.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:56 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" sponsored race car
>
>
>
>
> Pinto is a Ford...John M.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't get it. "Rise of the POTA" has a Dodge and a Pinto in it, so why are they sponsoring a Ford?
> >
> > http://www.tomydrissi.com/news/no-37-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-ford-finishes-27th-at-I.html"
> >
>

My son and I are probably going--its his Birthday, hes 23...my youngest. Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> James, are you going to the Film Forum this week? Make sure we get a report!!
>
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone in NYC going to the Film Forum this weekend, let's hear how the print was.
>
> -- Rory
>

The News.Thats where to look. Get the rose collered glasses off. Any body with children will know life is or can be tough and nasty. The wars the holocust ,blah,blah, c'mon life is X , life is hard. The old Apes would all be PG-PG-13 ,the blood alone in all of them but Battle makes them PG by todays Soccermom run media. It makes me sick that artist have to comprimise their vision for a bunch of uptight sexless,moribound bible thumping ingnoramases(SP). If I offend I dont appologize, its the truth,just ask the original Apes directors if they were alive. We live in a very puritanical and hypicritical time, or maybe we always did. Take care Jeff, I know you had seen your share of unfainess, fess up to it. Your friend John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> You know as well as I that films have got even more explicit since then. Even "Terminator 2", which got an "R" 20 years ago would probably be rated PG today. "Rise" would've been "R" back then. The Apes films aren't that hard core. If they came out today they might still be rated "G". Life is X-rated? Depends where you look.
>
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 11:54 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: new "Rise" commercials
>
>
>
> You know as well as I that the rating system was in its infancy and did not have a good standard to go by. Only very excessive blood and a load of f***ks and nudity would be an R rating or an M(Mature) rating in those early days of late 1968 to 71. The Apes films would all be PG-PG-13 today and Conquest in original form could almost have garnered and X for violence. Then when cut got a GP rating then when released the GP rating was gone and PG was put in its place. GP was a precurser to PG-13 as it was created for the General Adult Public, but it was given to films to close to R(M) so the PG moniker was born. Jacobs always said a kids franchise but if that was true we really would not care for them anymore and they would not be attracting new modern fans like they do. I like R because its truthfull. Life is X rated so R is an OK compromise.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know. It would seem odd if the franchise we loved as kids and were mostly rated "G" was rated "R". The producer said it would be a "hard" PG-13 so that's good enough for me. It would be realistic but do we really want to see apes ripping people's faces off (especially given recent events)?
> >
> >
>

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