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Group: pota Message: 64325 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Happy Birthday Dave!
Group: pota Message: 64326 From: James Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64327 From: James Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: FW: ape photos
Group: pota Message: 64328 From: JohnM conquest-idor Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: new "Rise" commercials
Group: pota Message: 64329 From: Blam Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHOR IN
Group: pota Message: 64331 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: BOOM, Baker and RISE at ComicCon
Group: pota Message: 64332 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: APES at Comic-Con 2011
Group: pota Message: 64333 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: The Mendez Dynasty
Group: pota Message: 64334 From: James Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64335 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHO
Group: pota Message: 64336 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64337 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: (OT) Project Nim review
Group: pota Message: 64338 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHO
Group: pota Message: 64339 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Letteri talks "Rise"
Group: pota Message: 64340 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: more Letteri
Group: pota Message: 64341 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64342 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64343 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64344 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64345 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: POTA lives on
Group: pota Message: 64346 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64347 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64348 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64349 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: POTA lives on
Group: pota Message: 64350 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64351 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "The Escapist" lives on
Group: pota Message: 64352 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: new "Rise" commercials
Group: pota Message: 64353 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: new "Rise" commercials
Group: pota Message: 64354 From: johnroche49 Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64355 From: James Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64356 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64357 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: POTA lives on
Group: pota Message: 64358 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: More coverage of the "Rise"/Caltech event
Group: pota Message: 64359 From: James Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: FW: planet photos
Group: pota Message: 64360 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64361 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: POTA lives on
Group: pota Message: 64362 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64363 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Thinkin' 'bout POTA
Group: pota Message: 64364 From: Blam Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHO
Group: pota Message: 64365 From: Blam Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: APES at Comic-Con 2011
Group: pota Message: 64366 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Thinkin' 'bout POTA
Group: pota Message: 64367 From: James Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64368 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64369 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64370 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: New RISE Trailer
Group: pota Message: 64371 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
Group: pota Message: 64372 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64373 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64374 From: Stefan Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
Group: pota Message: 64375 From: gort65 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64376 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64377 From: HotScheetz@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
Group: pota Message: 64378 From: George Taylor Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: The Mendez Dynasty RE-RUN?
Group: pota Message: 64379 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Oliver the humanzee
Group: pota Message: 64380 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64381 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64382 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64383 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Oliver the humanzee
Group: pota Message: 64384 From: James Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg
Group: pota Message: 64385 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: The Mendez Dynasty RE-RUN?
Group: pota Message: 64386 From: James Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: FW: Manhattan-20110710-00015.jpg
Group: pota Message: 64387 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64388 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64389 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64390 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 64391 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64392 From: Blam Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64393 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64394 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Oliver the humanzee
Group: pota Message: 64395 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
Group: pota Message: 64396 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: new "Rise" screen grabs
Group: pota Message: 64397 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Oliver the humanzee
Group: pota Message: 64398 From: James Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64399 From: Shane Miller Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
Group: pota Message: 64400 From: Benjamin Jarrell Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
Group: pota Message: 64401 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: "Rise" dynamic duos
Group: pota Message: 64402 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: James Franco talks "Rise of the POTA"
Group: pota Message: 64403 From: James Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64404 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: Re: video from Caltech "Rise" event
Group: pota Message: 64405 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: POTA Blu-ray Collection Cheap!
Group: pota Message: 64406 From: James Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: FW: ape items
Group: pota Message: 64407 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: "Rise" U.S. trailer in HD
Group: pota Message: 64408 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: new "Rise" poster
Group: pota Message: 64409 From: rassmguy Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
Group: pota Message: 64410 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
Group: pota Message: 64411 From: briankg2008_smile Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: POTA (1968) AZ locations
Group: pota Message: 64412 From: rassmguy Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
Group: pota Message: 64413 From: David Giwner Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg
Group: pota Message: 64414 From: James Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: FW: beneath ad
Group: pota Message: 64415 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: new "Rise" commercials
Group: pota Message: 64416 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: POTA (1968) AZ locations
Group: pota Message: 64418 From: James Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64419 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 64420 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: coolest "Rise" poster yet
Group: pota Message: 64421 From: jessica rotich Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: APES at Comic-Con 2011
Group: pota Message: 64422 From: James Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 64423 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET at Film Forum
Group: pota Message: 64424 From: rassmguy Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Prequel comic review
Group: pota Message: 64425 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: Prequel comic review
Group: pota Message: 64426 From: David Giwner Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET at Film Forum


Group: pota Message: 64325 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Happy Birthday Dave!
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Group: pota Message: 64326 From: James Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Weird, Awesome Viral Campaign For RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES ...
By Devin Faraci
Give a monkey an AK and the results are predictable.
Badass Digest

Couple of new TV spots for 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes'
By Phil
All the latest news, views and reviews of comics, movies, tv, dvd, technology, toys and games - all that's cool in the world of geek.
Blogomatic3000

 

FANGORIA Flashback: PLANET OF THE APES (1968)
FANGORIA
Before STAR WARS birthed generations of fanatics, before STAR TREK caught on in syndication, before HARRY POTTER made kids read books again, 1968's seminal PLANET OF THE APES launched the first fanboy phenomenon. A box-office smash, the original movie ...
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Group: pota Message: 64327 From: James Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: FW: ape photos
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From: William Burge
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:30 AM
Subject: ape photos

 

dear group, here are some different ape photos. enjoy from william burge

 

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Group: pota Message: 64328 From: JohnM conquest-idor Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: Re: new "Rise" commercials
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Caesars face at the end of trailer 2 is either incredible or humorous. What a great job. I hope it holds up on the big screen(if thats what they really are any more) and the story is as well written as seems. Their really is alot riding on this film, I feel bad for the producers if they dont have a mega-hit or what people here tell me must be atleast a $750,000,000 take- thats an insumountble total. The Apes were very popular, but they were a modest money making franchise because they appealled to people with brains. Those are in short supply lately. Good Luck to the Apes. I hope they "Rise" to the occasion. Ive always been cynicle thats why I love Taylor...John M. Thanks James for putting up with me...:)
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Group: pota Message: 64329 From: Blam Date: 7/7/2011
Subject: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHOR IN
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Hey, Drew Gaska, author of CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES here.

Anyone from the NY area?

Film Forum West Houston St. in NYC's Greenwich Village with be showing the Original Planet of the Apes for one ween starting tomorrow, Fri. July 8th until Thursday July 14th in a glorious new 35 MM print!

I was thinking of putting a group together, thought we might all go to dinner, see the movie, I could show you all art from the book, and talk about the story. This is a 'everyone-pays-their-own-way' thing, just a social gathering of apes fans who might want to get a chance to talk to the author.

Haven't set the date yet, just putting out feelers now.

Let me know!

- Drew Gaska
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Group: pota Message: 64331 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: BOOM, Baker and RISE at ComicCon
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THURSDAY, JULY 21
10:00-11:00 Planet of the Apes in Comics Present and Past— Planet of the Apes has come back to comics this year, thanks to BOOM! Studios. Current Planet of the Apes comics editor Ian Brill and writer Daryl Gregory talk about the new series, along with Tom Mason, who served as Malibu Comics' creative director and oversaw the last big Apes explosion. Learn what's next for Planet of the Apes and secrets behind the past of this comic franchise. Room 5AB


12:15-1:00 Focus on Rick Baker— The multi-Oscar winning master of makeup effects will take us on an overview of his remarkable career with a special emphasis on his work with director Barry Sonnenfeld on Men In Black 1 & 2, as well as a first look at some of his creatures and makeup for the upcoming Men In Black 3. Appearing on stage: Rick Baker in conversation with Geoff Boucher of the Los Angeles Times' Hero Complex. Indigo Ballroom, Hilton San Diego Bayfront

3:15-4:30 20th Century Fox— At past Comic-Cons, 20th Century Fox has previewed Independence Day, X2, Avatar, and X-Men Origins: Wolverine. You won't want to miss the excitement this year, as Fox presents first-looks at some of its most-anticipated pictures of 2011 and 2012. Hall H
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Group: pota Message: 64332 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: APES at Comic-Con 2011
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Anyone here going to Comic-Con this year?  Normally I wouldn't pay this any attention, but this year 20th Century Fox has something intresting coming out and will conduct a not so 'secret' panel.
 
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Group: pota Message: 64333 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: The Mendez Dynasty
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Good morning everyone! A new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now online.

To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo! home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also checkout the cool POTA book covers contributed by new group member Gary Cook in the group's Photos section:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/514098896/pic/list. Thanks Gary!

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

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Group: pota Message: 64334 From: James Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes - iPhone Intelligence Test App ...
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Andy Serkis: 'Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes Was A Challenge'
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Andy Serkis was ''challenged'' portraying Ceaser on 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' because he had to play a primate who grew older using motion capture technology. Andy Serkis found 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' an "incredible challenge". ...
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Comic-Con 2011 Programming Schedule - Thursday Revealed So Far
First Showing
10:00-11:00 - Planet of the Apes in Comics Present and Past — Planet of the Apes has come back to comics this year, thanks to BOOM! Studios. Current Planet of the Apes comics editor Ian Brill and writer Daryl Gregory talk about the new series, ...
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'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' concept art shows brutal anti ...
By Ray Wert
See the Rise of the Planet of the Apes unfold, with an exclusive look inside the world of ape revolutionary Caesar. Check out this amazing collection of concept art from the film, and see the world from Caesar's POV. [io9]
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Group: pota Message: 64335 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHO
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When are you doing this?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
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> Hey, Drew Gaska, author of CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES here.
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> Film Forum West Houston St. in NYC's Greenwich Village with be showing the Original Planet of the Apes for one ween starting tomorrow, Fri. July 8th until Thursday July 14th in a glorious new 35 MM print!
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> I was thinking of putting a group together, thought we might all go to dinner, see the movie, I could show you all art from the book, and talk about the story. This is a 'everyone-pays-their-own-way' thing, just a social gathering of apes fans who might want to get a chance to talk to the author.
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> Haven't set the date yet, just putting out feelers now.
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> Let me know!
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> - Drew Gaska
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Group: pota Message: 64336 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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I was at Fox's "Rise" preview at CalTech. Here's how it went down.
First of all, while in our seats waiting for it to start, I think (but I can't be sure) they played the soundtrack for the movie. It sounded similar to Patrick Doyle's "Thor" music, but with primitive drums and some weird horns. Kind of like Goldsmith's score but with Doyle's romantic sensibilities.
The moderator was David Cohen of Daily Variety. He introduced the director, Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt started by introducing the International Trailer # 2, which was cool to see on a big movie screen. Then he showed some of their "Rise" research: footage of Oliver the humanzee, who walked from the hips like we do; a chimp remembering numbers in sequence; and a chimp playing Pac Man.
Then the clips. Wyatt mentioned they chose CG because they really couldn't use people in makeup to portray the apes as they wanted them, and it would have been ironic to use real apes in a story about ape abuse. The first clip was pretty intense, showing them trying to corral their test subject Bright Eyes (Caesar's mother) for the presentation Will is currently doing ("the cure for Alzheimer's"). Bright Eyes goes berserk and ruins Will's big moment. Really an impressive scene.
Clip Two is the boss Jacobs' decision to have the apes put down after the disaster with Bright Eyes. They do away with the apes and Will's assistant Franklin tells Will he discovered Bright Eyes was only protecting her baby, Caesar. Will reluctantly agrees to take Caesar home. He does so and introduces him to his dad.
Clip Three: Some Lithgow stuff. The breakfast scene where Caesar shows him how to hold a fork. Also the scene where the neighbor picks on Lithgow and Caesar comes to the rescue (no face ripping). Animal Control takes Caesar to the ape "sanctuary" to hold the dangerous animal. The next scene is sad as Will has to leave Caesar behind. Also introduces Brian Cox and Tom Felton as the lousy human bastards.
Clip Four: A cool scene where Tom Felton is showing off to his friends, teasing the apes, and Caesar turns the tables.
These are pretty lengthy clips so we got to see how the actual scenes play out rather than just a slice and dice trailer. Some really powerful stuff. Looks like the film has the goods. Fox is big on releasing scenes on the internet (at least they did with the recent "X-Men") so some of this stuff might turn up this week. Also there was a lot of press out front so there might be some reports about this.
Then WETA's Joe Letteri was introduced to talk about the FX. He could bring up whatever behind the scenes stuff he wanted on his laptop and it was shown on the screen. Showed us a scene we just saw of Caesar being brought into the sanctuary but with Andy Serkis playing it, then the scene again with his CG counterpart. He showed a side by side comparison of Serkis and Caesar so we could see how Serkis' emotions translate directly to Caesar. And he showed a shot he thought was "cool" of Maurice the orangutan moving past Caesar.
Joe showed a clip of what looked like a DVD extra that spotlighted Andy Serkis' work. Then Andy was introduced, who appeared live from London via Skype. Andy talked about how primitive the technology was when he played Gollum in "Lord of the Rings". The moderator mentioned Caesar's long, dexterous fingers and Serkis said he could portray that, pointing out the fork scene and when Caesar opens the cure canister.
The first shot WETA did was that overused shot in the trailers of Caesar looking devious and that shot sold Serkis that CG could work.
He said Caesar was a bigger challenge to portray than Gollum. He mentioned this was the first time they could take the Performance capture stuff out on location and do scenes with the other actors. He said he looks forward to the day when he can do the scenes without all the technical stuff and head gear and believes that day is coming.
He mentioned he often got asked why he was playing another ape after King Kong and said he looked at them as different roles, not as apes. He looked at them as characters.
Andy mentioned what was said in "Behind the POTA" about the actors having to overact with their face to make the makeup come alive and said the great thing about performance capture is that the actor doesn't have to worry about makeup and can just act.
Next was introduced Clare Richardson of the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund. She said she liked that the film will portray apes as complex creatures but was concerned about portraying the apes as scary and violent (humans are the most violent primates). When the apes in the movie cut loose it can be pretty intense. She mentioned the dwindling # of apes and the only ape population that's increasing is the mountain gorillas (there's about 800 in the world). Andy Serkis visited the mountain gorillas that Dian Fossey studied when he was researching King Kong and now he's on the Dian Fossey board, so Clare knew him and was glad he was portraying Caesar. The moderator mentioned that the sanctuary in the film has a lot of ape has beens (a former circus performer, a former space program ape) and she talked about the poor treatment of ape professionals when they are past their prime.
Steven Quartz, the professor of psychology at CalTech, was introduced and talked about the Kelloggs raising a chimp in their home, kind of the Project Nim of the '30's (Wyatt said besides the humanzee, Project Nim was also a big influence on the movie).
The audience wrote down questions to be asked. Most were for Andy, who hung out for most of the show even though it was late in London.
Do apes cry? Quartz said we know they mourn but we don't know if they shed tears.
Someone asked whose side the filmmakers were on, the apes or the humans. Andy had on a shirt of a chimp and the word "Revolution" and showed it to the Skype camera to big laughs.
Why can't performance capture actors get acting nominations? Because there's a misunderstanding of what performance capture is.
Doing the movie in 3D was never discussed with Fox and Wyatt feels this is more a personal story that wouldn't benefit. It was enough of a challenge as it is.
Someone asked if they will ever do a movie where a realistic CG human is the star. Joe said there's no point, since the goal is human connection so they'd be better off with a real actor. If they came to him with an idea that would specifically need that, he'd be glad to do it. Mentioned "Tron 2" and sometimes CG humans are used for too dangerous stunts.
Someone asked if anyone is signed for sequels and Andy said he isn't.
They used my question of whether this is a direct prequel to the original film or are they going to retell it (since Heston's ship "the Icarus" has a cameo in the film). Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel.
When it was over I met Rupert and Joe. They signed my copy of Eric Greene's book, which has been signed by many an Ape vet (Wyatt's a nice guy who said he was "honored" to sign it when he saw who else did). He was enthusiastic when I mentioned the Moses similarities in the story (Caesar is spared, is raised in privilege, gets sent back to his own kind and leads them to freedom) and it was obvious those were his thoughts too. He definitely sees this as the era that creates the apes' religious icons. I thanked Rupert for taking the concept seriously and told him that's what the fans want. Joe likewise was very approachable and friendly.
It was an incredible evening and with the Dian Fossey rep and the professor it felt like a full meal. The scenes shown suggest this will be a powerful movie, well directed.
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Group: pota Message: 64337 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: (OT) Project Nim review
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Here's a review from The New York Times on PROJECT NIM, which looks as if it's a very interesting but depressing movie.  It's produced by HBO, so I suspect it'll be on HBO in a few months.
 
project-nim.jpg


 
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Group: pota Message: 64338 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHO
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I hope somebody is going today!



-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 6:29 am
Subject: [pota] Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHOR IN NYC

 
When are you doing this?
--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, Drew Gaska, author of CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES here.
>
> Anyone from the NY area?
>
> Film Forum West Houston St. in NYC's Greenwich Village with be showing the Original Planet of the Apes for one ween starting tomorrow, Fri. July 8th until Thursday July 14th in a glorious new 35 MM print!
>
> I was thinking of putting a group together, thought we might all go to dinner, see the movie, I could show you all art from the book, and talk about the story. This is a 'everyone-pays-their-own-way' thing, just a social gathering of apes fans who might want to get a chance to talk to the author.
>
> Haven't set the date yet, just putting out feelers now.
>
> Let me know!
>
> - Drew Gaska
>
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Group: pota Message: 64339 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Letteri talks "Rise"
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Group: pota Message: 64340 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: more Letteri
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One thing Rupert Wyatt said last night was that Joe Letteri is a genius as a storyteller, not just with the technical stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLanMD-F1-g
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Group: pota Message: 64341 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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Great report!  I especially like this line:
 
"Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film [PLANET] but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel."
 
Didn't I tell everyone here this month's ago?  It's meant as a prequel to PLANET, but with revisions, but eventually it gets you to the world of the original movie.  Because of the revisions in dates, it's also a reboot, but it doesn't wipe out the first film, instead it takes you there by a different path than the original sequels.  Some of you APES fans are just going to half to get used to this.
 
What's so wrong about that?!!!!
 
I'm glad I wasn't there for this event, as I want to see the movie and not have anything more spoiled.  My question would have been, "How big of a hit do you see this being?"  I just wonder how are Fox is going to sell this movie?  I sense, if it's as good as it looks to be, this could be a monster hit.  Huge.  Nearly everything else this summer sucks, and look at how well its all been doing.
 
-- Rory
 
 
 
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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: [pota] "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
I was at Fox's "Rise" preview at CalTech. Here's how it went down.
First of all, while in our seats waiting for it to start, I think (but I can't be sure) they played the soundtrack for the movie. It sounded similar to Patrick Doyle's "Thor" music, but with primitive drums and some weird horns. Kind of like Goldsmith's score but with Doyle's romantic sensibilities.
The moderator was David Cohen of Daily Variety. He introduced the director, Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt started by introducing the International Trailer # 2, which was cool to see on a big movie screen. Then he showed some of their "Rise" research: footage of Oliver the humanzee, who walked from the hips like we do; a chimp remembering numbers in sequence; and a chimp playing Pac Man.
Then the clips. Wyatt mentioned they chose CG because they really couldn't use people in makeup to portray the apes as they wanted them, and it would have been ironic to use real apes in a story about ape abuse. The first clip was pretty intense, showing them trying to corral their test subject Bright Eyes (Caesar's mother) for the presentation Will is currently doing ("the cure for Alzheimer's"). Bright Eyes goes berserk and ruins Will's big moment. Really an impressive scene.
Clip Two is the boss Jacobs' decision to have the apes put down after the disaster with Bright Eyes. They do away with the apes and Will's assistant Franklin tells Will he discovered Bright Eyes was only protecting her baby, Caesar. Will reluctantly agrees to take Caesar home. He does so and introduces him to his dad.
Clip Three: Some Lithgow stuff. The breakfast scene where Caesar shows him how to hold a fork. Also the scene where the neighbor picks on Lithgow and Caesar comes to the rescue (no face ripping). Animal Control takes Caesar to the ape "sanctuary" to hold the dangerous animal. The next scene is sad as Will has to leave Caesar behind. Also introduces Brian Cox and Tom Felton as the lousy human bastards.
Clip Four: A cool scene where Tom Felton is showing off to his friends, teasing the apes, and Caesar turns the tables.
These are pretty lengthy clips so we got to see how the actual scenes play out rather than just a slice and dice trailer. Some really powerful stuff. Looks like the film has the goods. Fox is big on releasing scenes on the internet (at least they did with the recent "X-Men") so some of this stuff might turn up this week. Also there was a lot of press out front so there might be some reports about this.
Then WETA's Joe Letteri was introduced to talk about the FX. He could bring up whatever behind the scenes stuff he wanted on his laptop and it was shown on the screen. Showed us a scene we just saw of Caesar being brought into the sanctuary but with Andy Serkis playing it, then the scene again with his CG counterpart. He showed a side by side comparison of Serkis and Caesar so we could see how Serkis' emotions translate directly to Caesar. And he showed a shot he thought was "cool" of Maurice the orangutan moving past Caesar.
Joe showed a clip of what looked like a DVD extra that spotlighted Andy Serkis' work. Then Andy was introduced, who appeared live from London via Skype. Andy talked about how primitive the technology was when he played Gollum in "Lord of the Rings". The moderator mentioned Caesar's long, dexterous fingers and Serkis said he could portray that, pointing out the fork scene and when Caesar opens the cure canister.
The first shot WETA did was that overused shot in the trailers of Caesar looking devious and that shot sold Serkis that CG could work.
He said Caesar was a bigger challenge to portray than Gollum. He mentioned this was the first time they could take the Performance capture stuff out on location and do scenes with the other actors. He said he looks forward to the day when he can do the scenes without all the technical stuff and head gear and believes that day is coming.
He mentioned he often got asked why he was playing another ape after King Kong and said he looked at them as different roles, not as apes. He looked at them as characters.
Andy mentioned what was said in "Behind the POTA" about the actors having to overact with their face to make the makeup come alive and said the great thing about performance capture is that the actor doesn't have to worry about makeup and can just act.
Next was introduced Clare Richardson of the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund. She said she liked that the film will portray apes as complex creatures but was concerned about portraying the apes as scary and violent (humans are the most violent primates). When the apes in the movie cut loose it can be pretty intense. She mentioned the dwindling # of apes and the only ape population that's increasing is the mountain gorillas (there's about 800 in the world). Andy Serkis visited the mountain gorillas that Dian Fossey studied when he was researching King Kong and now he's on the Dian Fossey board, so Clare knew him and was glad he was portraying Caesar. The moderator mentioned that the sanctuary in the film has a lot of ape has beens (a former circus performer, a former space program ape) and she talked about the poor treatment of ape professionals when they are past their prime.
Steven Quartz, the professor of psychology at CalTech, was introduced and talked about the Kelloggs raising a chimp in their home, kind of the Project Nim of the '30's (Wyatt said besides the humanzee, Project Nim was also a big influence on the movie).
The audience wrote down questions to be asked. Most were for Andy, who hung out for most of the show even though it was late in London.
Do apes cry? Quartz said we know they mourn but we don't know if they shed tears.
Someone asked whose side the filmmakers were on, the apes or the humans. Andy had on a shirt of a chimp and the word "Revolution" and showed it to the Skype camera to big laughs.
Why can't performance capture actors get acting nominations? Because there's a misunderstanding of what performance capture is.
Doing the movie in 3D was never discussed with Fox and Wyatt feels this is more a personal story that wouldn't benefit. It was enough of a challenge as it is.
Someone asked if they will ever do a movie where a realistic CG human is the star. Joe said there's no point, since the goal is human connection so they'd be better off with a real actor. If they came to him with an idea that would specifically need that, he'd be glad to do it. Mentioned "Tron 2" and sometimes CG humans are used for too dangerous stunts.
Someone asked if anyone is signed for sequels and Andy said he isn't.
They used my question of whether this is a direct prequel to the original film or are they going to retell it (since Heston's ship "the Icarus" has a cameo in the film). Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel.
When it was over I met Rupert and Joe. They signed my copy of Eric Greene's book, which has been signed by many an Ape vet (Wyatt's a nice guy who said he was "honored" to sign it when he saw who else did). He was enthusiastic when I mentioned the Moses similarities in the story (Caesar is spared, is raised in privilege, gets sent back to his own kind and leads them to freedom) and it was obvious those were his thoughts too. He definitely sees this as the era that creates the apes' religious icons. I thanked Rupert for taking the concept seriously and told him that's what the fans want. Joe likewise was very approachable and friendly.
It was an incredible evening and with the Dian Fossey rep and the professor it felt like a full meal. The scenes shown suggest this will be a powerful movie, well directed.



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Group: pota Message: 64342 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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  If it's a prequel you have to squint. Original Taylor didn't leave in the 21st Century. And Landon and Dodge create the POTA that Landon and Dodge find with Taylor? In fact that means Landon and Dodge are in the Icarus  with Taylor in "Rise" the same time Landon and Dodge are f-ing with Caesar. I don't have a problem with alternate time lines (I'm not a circularist) but that's a little too "Dodgey". It could work as an alternate universe, a bizarro world.
 
  The thing I came away from the scenes with is that this looks like a very dark, even painful story (which I love) and I don't know how that will affect the box office in a summer when "Pirates 4" made $ 1 billion and the runners up were "Fast Five" and "The Hangover 2". Let alone that "Rise" won't have 3D prices.

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 

Great report!  I especially like this line:
 
"Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film [PLANET] but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel."
 
Didn't I tell everyone here this month's ago?  It's meant as a prequel to PLANET, but with revisions, but eventually it gets you to the world of the original movie.  Because of the revisions in dates, it's also a reboot, but it doesn't wipe out the first film, instead it takes you there by a different path than the original sequels.  Some of you APES fans are just going to half to get used to this.
 
What's so wrong about that?!!!!
 
I'm glad I wasn't there for this event, as I want to see the movie and not have anything more spoiled.  My question would have been, "How big of a hit do you see this being?"  I just wonder how are Fox is going to sell this movie?  I sense, if it's as good as it looks to be, this could be a monster hit.  Huge.  Nearly everything else this summer sucks, and look at how well its all been doing.
 
-- Rory
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: [pota] "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
I was at Fox's "Rise" preview at CalTech. Here's how it went down.
First of all, while in our seats waiting for it to start, I think (but I can't be sure) they played the soundtrack for the movie. It sounded similar to Patrick Doyle's "Thor" music, but with primitive drums and some weird horns. Kind of like Goldsmith's score but with Doyle's romantic sensibilities.
The moderator was David Cohen of Daily Variety. He introduced the director, Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt started by introducing the International Trailer # 2, which was cool to see on a big movie screen. Then he showed some of their "Rise" research: footage of Oliver the humanzee, who walked from the hips like we do; a chimp remembering numbers in sequence; and a chimp playing Pac Man.
Then the clips. Wyatt mentioned they chose CG because they really couldn't use people in makeup to portray the apes as they wanted them, and it would have been ironic to use real apes in a story about ape abuse. The first clip was pretty intense, showing them trying to corral their test subject Bright Eyes (Caesar's mother) for the presentation Will is currently doing ("the cure for Alzheimer's"). Bright Eyes goes berserk and ruins Will's big moment. Really an impressive scene.
Clip Two is the boss Jacobs' decision to have the apes put down after the disaster with Bright Eyes. They do away with the apes and Will's assistant Franklin tells Will he discovered Bright Eyes was only protecting her baby, Caesar. Will reluctantly agrees to take Caesar home. He does so and introduces him to his dad.
Clip Three: Some Lithgow stuff. The breakfast scene where Caesar shows him how to hold a fork. Also the scene where the neighbor picks on Lithgow and Caesar comes to the rescue (no face ripping). Animal Control takes Caesar to the ape "sanctuary" to hold the dangerous animal. The next scene is sad as Will has to leave Caesar behind. Also introduces Brian Cox and Tom Felton as the lousy human bastards.
Clip Four: A cool scene where Tom Felton is showing off to his friends, teasing the apes, and Caesar turns the tables.
These are pretty lengthy clips so we got to see how the actual scenes play out rather than just a slice and dice trailer. Some really powerful stuff. Looks like the film has the goods. Fox is big on releasing scenes on the internet (at least they did with the recent "X-Men") so some of this stuff might turn up this week. Also there was a lot of press out front so there might be some reports about this.
Then WETA's Joe Letteri was introduced to talk about the FX. He could bring up whatever behind the scenes stuff he wanted on his laptop and it was shown on the screen. Showed us a scene we just saw of Caesar being brought into the sanctuary but with Andy Serkis playing it, then the scene again with his CG counterpart. He showed a side by side comparison of Serkis and Caesar so we could see how Serkis' emotions translate directly to Caesar. And he showed a shot he thought was "cool" of Maurice the orangutan moving past Caesar.
Joe showed a clip of what looked like a DVD extra that spotlighted Andy Serkis' work. Then Andy was introduced, who appeared live from London via Skype. Andy talked about how primitive the technology was when he played Gollum in "Lord of the Rings". The moderator mentioned Caesar's long, dexterous fingers and Serkis said he could portray that, pointing out the fork scene and when Caesar opens the cure canister.
The first shot WETA did was that overused shot in the trailers of Caesar looking devious and that shot sold Serkis that CG could work.
He said Caesar was a bigger challenge to portray than Gollum. He mentioned this was the first time they could take the Performance capture stuff out on location and do scenes with the other actors. He said he looks forward to the day when he can do the scenes without all the technical stuff and head gear and believes that day is coming.
He mentioned he often got asked why he was playing another ape after King Kong and said he looked at them as different roles, not as apes. He looked at them as characters.
Andy mentioned what was said in "Behind the POTA" about the actors having to overact with their face to make the makeup come alive and said the great thing about performance capture is that the actor doesn't have to worry about makeup and can just act.
Next was introduced Clare Richardson of the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund. She said she liked that the film will portray apes as complex creatures but was concerned about portraying the apes as scary and violent (humans are the most violent primates). When the apes in the movie cut loose it can be pretty intense. She mentioned the dwindling # of apes and the only ape population that's increasing is the mountain gorillas (there's about 800 in the world). Andy Serkis visited the mountain gorillas that Dian Fossey studied when he was researching King Kong and now he's on the Dian Fossey board, so Clare knew him and was glad he was portraying Caesar. The moderator mentioned that the sanctuary in the film has a lot of ape has beens (a former circus performer, a former space program ape) and she talked about the poor treatment of ape professionals when they are past their prime.
Steven Quartz, the professor of psychology at CalTech, was introduced and talked about the Kelloggs raising a chimp in their home, kind of the Project Nim of the '30's (Wyatt said besides the humanzee, Project Nim was also a big influence on the movie).
The audience wrote down questions to be asked. Most were for Andy, who hung out for most of the show even though it was late in London.
Do apes cry? Quartz said we know they mourn but we don't know if they shed tears.
Someone asked whose side the filmmakers were on, the apes or the humans. Andy had on a shirt of a chimp and the word "Revolution" and showed it to the Skype camera to big laughs.
Why can't performance capture actors get acting nominations? Because there's a misunderstanding of what performance capture is.
Doing the movie in 3D was never discussed with Fox and Wyatt feels this is more a personal story that wouldn't benefit. It was enough of a challenge as it is.
Someone asked if they will ever do a movie where a realistic CG human is the star. Joe said there's no point, since the goal is human connection so they'd be better off with a real actor. If they came to him with an idea that would specifically need that, he'd be glad to do it. Mentioned "Tron 2" and sometimes CG humans are used for too dangerous stunts.
Someone asked if anyone is signed for sequels and Andy said he isn't.
They used my question of whether this is a direct prequel to the original film or are they going to retell it (since Heston's ship "the Icarus" has a cameo in the film). Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel.
When it was over I met Rupert and Joe. They signed my copy of Eric Greene's book, which has been signed by many an Ape vet (Wyatt's a nice guy who said he was "honored" to sign it when he saw who else did). He was enthusiastic when I mentioned the Moses similarities in the story (Caesar is spared, is raised in privilege, gets sent back to his own kind and leads them to freedom) and it was obvious those were his thoughts too. He definitely sees this as the era that creates the apes' religious icons. I thanked Rupert for taking the concept seriously and told him that's what the fans want. Joe likewise was very approachable and friendly.
It was an incredible evening and with the Dian Fossey rep and the professor it felt like a full meal. The scenes shown suggest this will be a powerful movie, well directed.

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Group: pota Message: 64343 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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But are the Landon and Dodge in the movie the same as the astronauts or just two guys called Landon and Dodge?
I think it's just two guys called Landon and Dodge as a nod to the original. Same as Jacobs.
 
Al

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
  If it's a prequel you have to squint. Original Taylor didn't leave in the 21st Century. And Landon and Dodge create the POTA that Landon and Dodge find with Taylor? In fact that means Landon and Dodge are in the Icarus  with Taylor in "Rise" the same time Landon and Dodge are f-ing with Caesar. I don't have a problem with alternate time lines (I'm not a circularist) but that's a little too "Dodgey". It could work as an alternate universe, a bizarro world.
 
  The thing I came away from the scenes with is that this looks like a very dark, even painful story (which I love) and I don't know how that will affect the box office in a summer when "Pirates 4" made $ 1 billion and the runners up were "Fast Five" and "The Hangover 2". Let alone that "Rise" won't have 3D prices.

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:25 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
Great report!  I especially like this line:
 
"Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film [PLANET] but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel."
 
Didn't I tell everyone here this month's ago?  It's meant as a prequel to PLANET, but with revisions, but eventually it gets you to the world of the original movie.  Because of the revisions in dates, it's also a reboot, but it doesn't wipe out the first film, instead it takes you there by a different path than the original sequels.  Some of you APES fans are just going to half to get used to this.
 
What's so wrong about that?!!!!
 
I'm glad I wasn't there for this event, as I want to see the movie and not have anything more spoiled.  My question would have been, "How big of a hit do you see this being?"  I just wonder how are Fox is going to sell this movie?  I sense, if it's as good as it looks to be, this could be a monster hit.  Huge.  Nearly everything else this summer sucks, and look at how well its all been doing.
 
-- Rory
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 12:06 pm
Subject: [pota] "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
I was at Fox's "Rise" preview at CalTech. Here's how it went down.
First of all, while in our seats waiting for it to start, I think (but I can't be sure) they played the soundtrack for the movie. It sounded similar to Patrick Doyle's "Thor" music, but with primitive drums and some weird horns. Kind of like Goldsmith's score but with Doyle's romantic sensibilities.
The moderator was David Cohen of Daily Variety. He introduced the director, Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt started by introducing the International Trailer # 2, which was cool to see on a big movie screen. Then he showed some of their "Rise" research: footage of Oliver the humanzee, who walked from the hips like we do; a chimp remembering numbers in sequence; and a chimp playing Pac Man.
Then the clips. Wyatt mentioned they chose CG because they really couldn't use people in makeup to portray the apes as they wanted them, and it would have been ironic to use real apes in a story about ape abuse. The first clip was pretty intense, showing them trying to corral their test subject Bright Eyes (Caesar's mother) for the presentation Will is currently doing ("the cure for Alzheimer's"). Bright Eyes goes berserk and ruins Will's big moment. Really an impressive scene.
Clip Two is the boss Jacobs' decision to have the apes put down after the disaster with Bright Eyes. They do away with the apes and Will's assistant Franklin tells Will he discovered Bright Eyes was only protecting her baby, Caesar. Will reluctantly agrees to take Caesar home. He does so and introduces him to his dad.
Clip Three: Some Lithgow stuff. The breakfast scene where Caesar shows him how to hold a fork. Also the scene where the neighbor picks on Lithgow and Caesar comes to the rescue (no face ripping). Animal Control takes Caesar to the ape "sanctuary" to hold the dangerous animal. The next scene is sad as Will has to leave Caesar behind. Also introduces Brian Cox and Tom Felton as the lousy human bastards.
Clip Four: A cool scene where Tom Felton is showing off to his friends, teasing the apes, and Caesar turns the tables.
These are pretty lengthy clips so we got to see how the actual scenes play out rather than just a slice and dice trailer. Some really powerful stuff. Looks like the film has the goods. Fox is big on releasing scenes on the internet (at least they did with the recent "X-Men") so some of this stuff might turn up this week. Also there was a lot of press out front so there might be some reports about this.
Then WETA's Joe Letteri was introduced to talk about the FX. He could bring up whatever behind the scenes stuff he wanted on his laptop and it was shown on the screen. Showed us a scene we just saw of Caesar being brought into the sanctuary but with Andy Serkis playing it, then the scene again with his CG counterpart. He showed a side by side comparison of Serkis and Caesar so we could see how Serkis' emotions translate directly to Caesar. And he showed a shot he thought was "cool" of Maurice the orangutan moving past Caesar.
Joe showed a clip of what looked like a DVD extra that spotlighted Andy Serkis' work. Then Andy was introduced, who appeared live from London via Skype. Andy talked about how primitive the technology was when he played Gollum in "Lord of the Rings". The moderator mentioned Caesar's long, dexterous fingers and Serkis said he could portray that, pointing out the fork scene and when Caesar opens the cure canister.
The first shot WETA did was that overused shot in the trailers of Caesar looking devious and that shot sold Serkis that CG could work.
He said Caesar was a bigger challenge to portray than Gollum. He mentioned this was the first time they could take the Performance capture stuff out on location and do scenes with the other actors. He said he looks forward to the day when he can do the scenes without all the technical stuff and head gear and believes that day is coming.
He mentioned he often got asked why he was playing another ape after King Kong and said he looked at them as different roles, not as apes. He looked at them as characters.
Andy mentioned what was said in "Behind the POTA" about the actors having to overact with their face to make the makeup come alive and said the great thing about performance capture is that the actor doesn't have to worry about makeup and can just act.
Next was introduced Clare Richardson of the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund. She said she liked that the film will portray apes as complex creatures but was concerned about portraying the apes as scary and violent (humans are the most violent primates). When the apes in the movie cut loose it can be pretty intense. She mentioned the dwindling # of apes and the only ape population that's increasing is the mountain gorillas (there's about 800 in the world). Andy Serkis visited the mountain gorillas that Dian Fossey studied when he was researching King Kong and now he's on the Dian Fossey board, so Clare knew him and was glad he was portraying Caesar. The moderator mentioned that the sanctuary in the film has a lot of ape has beens (a former circus performer, a former space program ape) and she talked about the poor treatment of ape professionals when they are past their prime.
Steven Quartz, the professor of psychology at CalTech, was introduced and talked about the Kelloggs raising a chimp in their home, kind of the Project Nim of the '30's (Wyatt said besides the humanzee, Project Nim was also a big influence on the movie).
The audience wrote down questions to be asked. Most were for Andy, who hung out for most of the show even though it was late in London.
Do apes cry? Quartz said we know they mourn but we don't know if they shed tears.
Someone asked whose side the filmmakers were on, the apes or the humans. Andy had on a shirt of a chimp and the word "Revolution" and showed it to the Skype camera to big laughs.
Why can't performance capture actors get acting nominations? Because there's a misunderstanding of what performance capture is.
Doing the movie in 3D was never discussed with Fox and Wyatt feels this is more a personal story that wouldn't benefit. It was enough of a challenge as it is.
Someone asked if they will ever do a movie where a realistic CG human is the star. Joe said there's no point, since the goal is human connection so they'd be better off with a real actor. If they came to him with an idea that would specifically need that, he'd be glad to do it. Mentioned "Tron 2" and sometimes CG humans are used for too dangerous stunts.
Someone asked if anyone is signed for sequels and Andy said he isn't.
They used my question of whether this is a direct prequel to the original film or are they going to retell it (since Heston's ship "the Icarus" has a cameo in the film). Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel.
When it was over I met Rupert and Joe. They signed my copy of Eric Greene's book, which has been signed by many an Ape vet (Wyatt's a nice guy who said he was "honored" to sign it when he saw who else did). He was enthusiastic when I mentioned the Moses similarities in the story (Caesar is spared, is raised in privilege, gets sent back to his own kind and leads them to freedom) and it was obvious those were his thoughts too. He definitely sees this as the era that creates the apes' religious icons. I thanked Rupert for taking the concept seriously and told him that's what the fans want. Joe likewise was very approachable and friendly.
It was an incredible evening and with the Dian Fossey rep and the professor it felt like a full meal. The scenes shown suggest this will be a powerful movie, well directed.





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  No, they're different characters but if they have the same names it's silly if it's a direct prequel.

From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 2:12 PM
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But are the Landon and Dodge in the movie the same as the astronauts or just two guys called Landon and Dodge?
I think it's just two guys called Landon and Dodge as a nod to the original. Same as Jacobs.
 
Al

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
  If it's a prequel you have to squint. Original Taylor didn't leave in the 21st Century. And Landon and Dodge create the POTA that Landon and Dodge find with Taylor? In fact that means Landon and Dodge are in the Icarus  with Taylor in "Rise" the same time Landon and Dodge are f-ing with Caesar. I don't have a problem with alternate time lines (I'm not a circularist) but that's a little too "Dodgey". It could work as an alternate universe, a bizarro world.
 
  The thing I came away from the scenes with is that this looks like a very dark, even painful story (which I love) and I don't know how that will affect the box office in a summer when "Pirates 4" made $ 1 billion and the runners up were "Fast Five" and "The Hangover 2". Let alone that "Rise" won't have 3D prices.

Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 9:25 AM
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Great report!  I especially like this line:
 
"Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film [PLANET] but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel."
 
Didn't I tell everyone here this month's ago?  It's meant as a prequel to PLANET, but with revisions, but eventually it gets you to the world of the original movie.  Because of the revisions in dates, it's also a reboot, but it doesn't wipe out the first film, instead it takes you there by a different path than the original sequels.  Some of you APES fans are just going to half to get used to this.
 
What's so wrong about that?!!!!
 
I'm glad I wasn't there for this event, as I want to see the movie and not have anything more spoiled.  My question would have been, "How big of a hit do you see this being?"  I just wonder how are Fox is going to sell this movie?  I sense, if it's as good as it looks to be, this could be a monster hit.  Huge.  Nearly everything else this summer sucks, and look at how well its all been doing.
 
-- Rory
 
 
 
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [pota] "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
I was at Fox's "Rise" preview at CalTech. Here's how it went down.
First of all, while in our seats waiting for it to start, I think (but I can't be sure) they played the soundtrack for the movie. It sounded similar to Patrick Doyle's "Thor" music, but with primitive drums and some weird horns. Kind of like Goldsmith's score but with Doyle's romantic sensibilities.
The moderator was David Cohen of Daily Variety. He introduced the director, Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt started by introducing the International Trailer # 2, which was cool to see on a big movie screen. Then he showed some of their "Rise" research: footage of Oliver the humanzee, who walked from the hips like we do; a chimp remembering numbers in sequence; and a chimp playing Pac Man.
Then the clips. Wyatt mentioned they chose CG because they really couldn't use people in makeup to portray the apes as they wanted them, and it would have been ironic to use real apes in a story about ape abuse. The first clip was pretty intense, showing them trying to corral their test subject Bright Eyes (Caesar's mother) for the presentation Will is currently doing ("the cure for Alzheimer's"). Bright Eyes goes berserk and ruins Will's big moment. Really an impressive scene.
Clip Two is the boss Jacobs' decision to have the apes put down after the disaster with Bright Eyes. They do away with the apes and Will's assistant Franklin tells Will he discovered Bright Eyes was only protecting her baby, Caesar. Will reluctantly agrees to take Caesar home. He does so and introduces him to his dad.
Clip Three: Some Lithgow stuff. The breakfast scene where Caesar shows him how to hold a fork. Also the scene where the neighbor picks on Lithgow and Caesar comes to the rescue (no face ripping). Animal Control takes Caesar to the ape "sanctuary" to hold the dangerous animal. The next scene is sad as Will has to leave Caesar behind. Also introduces Brian Cox and Tom Felton as the lousy human bastards.
Clip Four: A cool scene where Tom Felton is showing off to his friends, teasing the apes, and Caesar turns the tables.
These are pretty lengthy clips so we got to see how the actual scenes play out rather than just a slice and dice trailer. Some really powerful stuff. Looks like the film has the goods. Fox is big on releasing scenes on the internet (at least they did with the recent "X-Men") so some of this stuff might turn up this week. Also there was a lot of press out front so there might be some reports about this.
Then WETA's Joe Letteri was introduced to talk about the FX. He could bring up whatever behind the scenes stuff he wanted on his laptop and it was shown on the screen. Showed us a scene we just saw of Caesar being brought into the sanctuary but with Andy Serkis playing it, then the scene again with his CG counterpart. He showed a side by side comparison of Serkis and Caesar so we could see how Serkis' emotions translate directly to Caesar. And he showed a shot he thought was "cool" of Maurice the orangutan moving past Caesar.
Joe showed a clip of what looked like a DVD extra that spotlighted Andy Serkis' work. Then Andy was introduced, who appeared live from London via Skype. Andy talked about how primitive the technology was when he played Gollum in "Lord of the Rings". The moderator mentioned Caesar's long, dexterous fingers and Serkis said he could portray that, pointing out the fork scene and when Caesar opens the cure canister.
The first shot WETA did was that overused shot in the trailers of Caesar looking devious and that shot sold Serkis that CG could work.
He said Caesar was a bigger challenge to portray than Gollum. He mentioned this was the first time they could take the Performance capture stuff out on location and do scenes with the other actors. He said he looks forward to the day when he can do the scenes without all the technical stuff and head gear and believes that day is coming.
He mentioned he often got asked why he was playing another ape after King Kong and said he looked at them as different roles, not as apes. He looked at them as characters.
Andy mentioned what was said in "Behind the POTA" about the actors having to overact with their face to make the makeup come alive and said the great thing about performance capture is that the actor doesn't have to worry about makeup and can just act.
Next was introduced Clare Richardson of the Dian Fossey Gorilla Fund. She said she liked that the film will portray apes as complex creatures but was concerned about portraying the apes as scary and violent (humans are the most violent primates). When the apes in the movie cut loose it can be pretty intense. She mentioned the dwindling # of apes and the only ape population that's increasing is the mountain gorillas (there's about 800 in the world). Andy Serkis visited the mountain gorillas that Dian Fossey studied when he was researching King Kong and now he's on the Dian Fossey board, so Clare knew him and was glad he was portraying Caesar. The moderator mentioned that the sanctuary in the film has a lot of ape has beens (a former circus performer, a former space program ape) and she talked about the poor treatment of ape professionals when they are past their prime.
Steven Quartz, the professor of psychology at CalTech, was introduced and talked about the Kelloggs raising a chimp in their home, kind of the Project Nim of the '30's (Wyatt said besides the humanzee, Project Nim was also a big influence on the movie).
The audience wrote down questions to be asked. Most were for Andy, who hung out for most of the show even though it was late in London.
Do apes cry? Quartz said we know they mourn but we don't know if they shed tears.
Someone asked whose side the filmmakers were on, the apes or the humans. Andy had on a shirt of a chimp and the word "Revolution" and showed it to the Skype camera to big laughs.
Why can't performance capture actors get acting nominations? Because there's a misunderstanding of what performance capture is.
Doing the movie in 3D was never discussed with Fox and Wyatt feels this is more a personal story that wouldn't benefit. It was enough of a challenge as it is.
Someone asked if they will ever do a movie where a realistic CG human is the star. Joe said there's no point, since the goal is human connection so they'd be better off with a real actor. If they came to him with an idea that would specifically need that, he'd be glad to do it. Mentioned "Tron 2" and sometimes CG humans are used for too dangerous stunts.
Someone asked if anyone is signed for sequels and Andy said he isn't.
They used my question of whether this is a direct prequel to the original film or are they going to retell it (since Heston's ship "the Icarus" has a cameo in the film). Once again Wyatt said this and the sequels will lead up to that film but "Rise" takes place in modern times, not 1968. So I guess it's a prequel.
When it was over I met Rupert and Joe. They signed my copy of Eric Greene's book, which has been signed by many an Ape vet (Wyatt's a nice guy who said he was "honored" to sign it when he saw who else did). He was enthusiastic when I mentioned the Moses similarities in the story (Caesar is spared, is raised in privilege, gets sent back to his own kind and leads them to freedom) and it was obvious those were his thoughts too. He definitely sees this as the era that creates the apes' religious icons. I thanked Rupert for taking the concept seriously and told him that's what the fans want. Joe likewise was very approachable and friendly.
It was an incredible evening and with the Dian Fossey rep and the professor it felt like a full meal. The scenes shown suggest this will be a powerful movie, well directed.





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Group: pota Message: 64345 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
Subject: POTA lives on
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With the original POTA playing in New York, two NY publications look back at it.

"The Wall Street Journal" interviews Richard Zanuck from the set of Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows":

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303544604576431904116271200.html"

And here's why POTA outlived it's creators:

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/07/2586702/why-planet-apes-culture-outlives-humans-who-created-it
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Group: pota Message: 64346 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 7/8/2011
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Well I would imagine it's because their common names so it fits well in the POTA universe.
 
Al

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 8, 2011 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
  No, they're different characters but if they have the same names it's silly if it's a direct prequel.
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If it's a prequel you have to squint. Original Taylor didn't leave in the 21st Century.
The idea that Taylor's ship left earth in 1972 so now dated, quaint and even ridiculous.
 
IT SHOULD BE REVISED!  Some of you APES fans just need to get over it already.  If this franchise is going to continue -- and still have a connection to the original, as I believe it should -- then there's simply going to have to be revisions.  And the fact is that Fox has already started to do that.
 
You get a hold of that and you hang onto it, or you might as well be dead.
 
-- Rory



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 3:47 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)

 
  If it's a prequel you have to squint. Original Taylor didn't leave in the 21st Century. And Landon and Dodge create the POTA that Landon and Dodge find with Taylor? In fact that means Landon and Dodge are in the Icarus  with Taylor in "Rise" the same time Landon and Dodge are f-ing with Caesar. I don't have a problem with alternate time lines (I'm not a circularist) but that's a little too "Dodgey". It could work as an alternate universe, a bizarro world.
 
  The thing I came away from the scenes with is that this looks like a very dark, even painful story (which I love) and I don't know how that will affect the box office in a summer when "Pirates 4" made $ 1 billion and the runners up were "Fast Five" and "The Hangover 2". Let alone that "Rise" won't have 3D prices.
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Group: pota Message: 64348 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
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No, they're different characters but if they have the same names it's silly if it's a direct prequel.
Well, I agree with you there.  These character name homages to the original are silly.  If I were the director, I'd tell Fox to grow up and cut the crap.
 
-- Rory



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Group: pota Message: 64349 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/8/2011
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This is from the Capital New York article:
 
"One can only hope that Rise of the Planet of the Apes takes after the better Planet of the Apes spin-offs in both its visual scope and its playful ideas. I have high hopes for Rise, especially since it was helmed by British filmmaker Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt recently directed The Escapist, a Mametian prison drama that deconstructs the archetypes of prison escape films with uncharacteristic swagger. If he can bring a similar kind of intelligence and bratty charm to Rise, the summer season will have finally been graced with the fun and smart popcorn film it deserves. The mythology of the Planet of the Apes films can always be expanded further and Wyatt just might be the guy to do it."

Anyone here seen THE ESCAPIST?  I have -- and I didn't like it.  One of the things I didn't like was that it seemed as it was edited in a blender.  It did not tell a linear story, but instead flashed forward and backward until you were never sure where you were..  I hope he doesn't try the same stuff with RISE.  Despite having a linear script, a director could mix it up a bit in the telling.
 
-- Rory




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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jul 8, 2011 8:12 pm
Subject: [pota] POTA lives on

 
With the original POTA playing in New York, two NY publications look back at it.

"The Wall Street Journal" interviews Richard Zanuck from the set of Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows":

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303544604576431904116271200.html"

And here's why POTA outlived it's creators:

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/07/2586702/why-planet-apes-culture-outlives-humans-who-created-it
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Group: pota Message: 64350 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
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You'll have to squint! The Chipmunks had a squeakquel. This would make the original POTA a squintquel!


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:30 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)






If it's a prequel you have to squint. Original Taylor didn't leave in the 21st Century.
The idea that Taylor's ship left earth in 1972 so now dated, quaint and even ridiculous.

IT SHOULD BE REVISED! Some of you APES fans just need to get over it already. If this franchise is going to continue -- and still have a connection to the original, as I believe it should -- then there's simply going to have to be revisions. And the fact is that Fox has already started to do that.

You get a hold of that and you hang onto it, or you might as well be dead.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 64351 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/8/2011
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I thought "The Escapist" was pretty good. It was based on the short story "An Occurrence at Owl Creek", about a condemned man who seems to get lucky and escape when he's about to be executed, but it just turns out to be his fantasy. That's what they were going for with the nonlinear stuff. They had to make it two stories so the audience gets some kind of resolution, so the whole movie isn't a just his fantasy.
The story was famously made into a film that was purchased by the "Twilight Zone". So it's the only "Twilight Zone" episode to win an Oscar.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Occurrence_at_Owl_Creek_Bridge_(film)




From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 5:46 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA lives on




This is from the Capital New York article:

"One can only hope that Rise of the Planet of the Apes takes after the better Planet of the Apes spin-offs in both its visual scope and its playful ideas. I have high hopes for Rise, especially since it was helmed by British filmmaker Rupert Wyatt. Wyatt recently directed The Escapist, a Mametian prison drama that deconstructs the archetypes of prison escape films with uncharacteristic swagger. If he can bring a similar kind of intelligence and bratty charm to Rise, the summer season will have finally been graced with the fun and smart popcorn film it deserves. The mythology of the Planet of the Apes films can always be expanded further and Wyatt just might be the guy to do it."

Anyone here seen THE ESCAPIST? I have -- and I didn't like it. One of the things I didn't like was that it seemed as it was edited in a blender. It did not tell a linear story, but instead flashed forward and backward until you were never sure where you were.. I hope he doesn't try the same stuff with RISE. Despite having a linear script, a director could mix it up a bit in the telling.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 64352 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: Re: new "Rise" commercials
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Many mainstream pictures got X in the early days.
And not just Last Tango In Paris either. M*A*S*H
was originally released under the X rating.  Seems
pretty tame to be Rated X by today's standards.
Though the bare-assed scenes and themes
like thermonuclear destruction seems a lot
for a G rating too.  Not exactly balanced.
 
In a message dated 7/6/2011 5:12:08 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:
Life is X rated so R is an OK compromise.

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I don't like the idea of it either,
but you can't really have a true
blockbuster with an R. Kids
sneaking in don't count for
boxoffice.  So be it.
 
In a message dated 7/6/2011 9:36:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
And now we find out the movie will be rated PG-13.
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Group: pota Message: 64354 From: johnroche49 Date: 7/9/2011
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I really enjoyed your excellent Caltech review, Jeff. This sounds like a powerful, adult, thought provoking film.Because I'm so big and noble, I don't want to scratch your eyes out with jealousy.John.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> You'll have to squint! The Chipmunks had a squeakquel. This would make the original POTA a squintquel!
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Group: pota Message: 64355 From: James Date: 7/9/2011
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Why 'Planet of the Apes ' culture outlives the humans who created it
Capital New York
By Simon Abrams At the end of the first Planet of the Apes movie, there's a scene in which the only two evolved apes that believe Taylor, Charlton Heston's character, try to prove that there used to be a human civilization on their planet that ...
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Capital New York

Twentieth Century Fox's New Rise of the Planet of the Apes App is Not So Smart
The Morton Report
The free app has been released into the iOS App Store jungle as part of Fox's marketing strategy for its upcoming sci-fi blockbuster Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The film is a prequel of sorts to the classic 1968 film Planet of the Apes that starred ...
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Robert J. Sawyers looks forward through the past
Globe and Mail
The limited-edition 33-inch model of Star Trek's Enterprise and the Planet of the Apes statues acknowledge that. This is my 10th year of doing almost all my reading as e-books, this photo notwithstanding. I have a letter rack next to my recliner that ...
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Globe and Mail

Rise of the Planet of the Apes: Creating the Ape Escape Video - IGN
Watch "Rise of the Planet of the Apes: Creating the Ape Escape" and more Rise of the Planet of the Apes videos and movies at IGN.
www.ign.com/.../rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-creating-the-ap...

'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' Releases Viral Video of Ape With an AK-47
Get The Big Picture (blog)
In a great marketing ploy, 20th Century Fox released a viral video for the film Rise of the Planet of the Apes. The video is a reference video from a research library taken November 8th, 2009. It was supposedly made from a West African Soldier. ...
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http://nt1.ggpht.com/news/tbn/3TwIhFBUqC0J
Get The Big Picture (blog)

A Rare Dispatch From the Planet of the Apes
Wall Street Journal
By BRUCE BENNETT With four sequels, two television series, a hit 2001 remake, and an impending reboot ("Rise of the Planet of the Apes," set for an Aug. 5 release), it would make sense that, in 1968, the box-office success of the original "Planet of ...
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Film Review: Fascinating 'Project Nim' Chronicles Tragic Failure
HollywoodChicago.com
Does anyone else think it's odd that talking primates are about to dominate the marketplace in family fare (“Zookeeper”), sci-fi (“Rise of the Planet of the Apes”), and the most highly-anticipated documentary of the year? We're clearly fascinated by ...
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Group: pota Message: 64356 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/9/2011
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So you think the original Planet is now dated, quaint and even ridiculous?

Planet should be left alone to stand as it is and not be revised. It is a classic.

Any revisions in the new film prove it to be a complete reboot that is not directly related to the original.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> The idea that Taylor's ship left earth in 1972 so now dated, quaint and even ridiculous.
>
> IT SHOULD BE REVISED! Some of you APES fans just need to get over it already. If this franchise is going to continue -- and still have a connection to the original, as I believe it should -- then there's simply going to have to be revisions. And the fact is that Fox has already started to do that.
>
> You get a hold of that and you hang onto it, or you might as well be dead.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Group: pota Message: 64357 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/9/2011
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I picked up a copy of yesterday's Wall Street Journal and scanned the article. A PDF is posted in the group's Files section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/WSJ070811.pdf

It should be noted that both WSJ and FOX are owned by News Corp.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> With the original POTA playing in New York, two NY publications look back at it.
>
> "The Wall Street Journal" interviews Richard Zanuck from the set of Tim Burton's "Dark Shadows":
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303544604576431904116271200.html
>
> And here's why POTA outlived it's creators:
>
> http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2011/07/2586702/why-planet-apes-culture-outlives-humans-who-created-it
>

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Group: pota Message: 64358 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: More coverage of the "Rise"/Caltech event
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There was a ton of press outside the auditorium where the event took place. Rupert Wyatt said this is the first time scenes from the movie have been shown to the public. Here are a couple of write-ups.

This includes some pictures and a video on the red carpet:

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/45531/event-coverage-dread-central-witnesses-rise-planet-apes-caltech-institute

No less than the Hollywood Reporter is asking if "Rise" will finally get Andy Serkis an acting nomination (which would be historic):

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/rise-planet-apes-will-andy-209370
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Group: pota Message: 64359 From: James Date: 7/9/2011
Subject: FW: planet photos
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From: William Burge
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Subject: planet photos

 

dear group, i found some great planet photos. enjoy from william burge

 

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Group: pota Message: 64360 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/9/2011
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So you think the original Planet is now dated, quaint and even ridiculous?
Hey!  What's-a-matta-U?
 
I said the idea that Taylor's ship left in 1972 is now dated, quaint and even ridiculous, and you can add a twentieth century nuclear war to that too.
 
It never happened, so most of BENEATH's back story is dated.  ESCAPE is dated.  CONQUEST is dated, and even BATTLE.  It's all dated.

Planet should be left alone to stand as it is and not be revised.
 
Tell that to the makers of BENEATH, but then you can't because most of them are dead.
 
Any revisions in the new film prove it to be a complete reboot that is not directly related to the original.
 
It is if Fox says it is, and that's just too bad if you don't like it.
 
-- Rory

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Group: pota Message: 64361 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/9/2011
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I picked up a copy of yesterday's Wall Street Journal and scanned the article. A PDF is posted in the group's Files section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/WSJ070811.pdf
It should be noted that both WSJ and FOX are owned by News Corp.
Yeah, and what a great bunch they are.  I hope Britian kicks ol' Rupert's ass out of the country forever.  The dirty rotten bum!
What are you doing reading the Wall Street Journal anyway?


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Group: pota Message: 64362 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/9/2011
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I don't know what they've got up their sleeve (if they make it that far). Maybe a mirror universe where 1972 Taylor goes to our future and the future 1972 Taylor is from is where "Escape", "Conquest", etc. were set. I did something like that for the chronology I wrote for "Ape Chronicles" (because I too wanted the original film to be viable as our future, and I did it almost 20 years before "Rise"). If you listen to physics, stuff like that is possible (and will probably never be proven). But that's the beauty of science fiction, it can almost be the same thing as magic but is still believable (since landing on the moon was once considered fantasy).
And I guess it's no more implausible than what they did with the new "Star Trek" (an alternate future), with Nimoy's blessing.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2011 2:04 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)






So you think the original Planet is now dated, quaint and even ridiculous?
Hey! What's-a-matta-U?

I said the idea that Taylor's ship left in 1972 is now dated, quaint and even ridiculous, and you can add a twentieth century nuclear war to that too.

It never happened, so most of BENEATH's back story is dated. ESCAPE is dated. CONQUEST is dated, and even BATTLE. It's all dated.

Planet should be left alone to stand as it is and not be revised.

Tell that to the makers of BENEATH, but then you can't because most of them are dead.

Any revisions in the new film prove it to be a complete reboot that is not directly related to the original.

It is if Fox says it is, and that's just too bad if you don't like it.

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 64363 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Thinkin' 'bout POTA
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Just thinkin' 'bout what I saw at the "Rise" event at CalTech. It's pretty amazing that POTA keeps raising it's head every ten years. In 1991 the Adventure comics bought it back to life just when I wanted to return (yeah, it was also around in 1990 and 1992 but 1991 was it's only full year). Adventure gets it's knocks but I thought a lot of it was pretty good: the early issues of the main series, most of the miniseries. The main thing is that's all there was. Rumors about a new movie (directed by Adam Rifkin), no internet, for most of it not even a fanzine. So even at it's worst I was glad to have it and I was hopeful about the POTA future.
Then there was a decade of heady movie development (Oliver Stone! James Cameron! Tim Burton!). That culminated of course in Burton's POTA2001. I said at the time and I say it now, I don't hate it. There's a lot of good in that movie and I think with what's coming, fans will have a healthier attitude toward it, when the Burton film isn't what the public first thinks of when they think POTA.
And now here we are in 2011, and I'm one of the first people on the "planet" to see actual scenes from "Rise" (because I'm awesome) and it feels like what we've been waiting for. "Rise" has been very ignored this summer but now the word is going to get out, with the Hollywood Reporter already wondering if this will get Andy Serkis acting nominations. One of the comments that keep getting made on the internet is that the apes don't look real. Well, I've seen the scene with Caesar's mother (Chimp 9 in the trailers) and I can say the apes are as real as WETA wants to make them. The first scene they showed us is a jaw dropper. If the rest of the movie lives up to what I've seen, this movie is going to give POTA it's "Lord of the Rings" moment (meaning the movies, and no wonder considering many LOTR people were involved).
And the director is a gem, researching everything and taking it seriously. I remember Marky Mark, I mean Mr. Walhberg saying he asked Tim Burton if he should study astronauts and Tim said basically not to bother. Rupert Wyatt said these films are a lead in to the original movie and I would usually think he's just saying what fans want to hear. But not with him. I totally trust POTA in his hands. He's thought this stuff through. He's the real deal. If anything, his sincerity might hurt it at the box office but I hope not.
Fans are jaded and I don't blame them. But I just want to give some hope based on my lucky experience. It's been a long time coming but 20 years later maybe POTA has arrived (again).
Time to celebrate. Hit it, Pete!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0I2WOuSxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-JCL7cJGM
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Group: pota Message: 64364 From: Blam Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET OF THE APES FILM SHOWING and DINNER WITH CONSPIRACY AUTHO
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Hey guys!

I am looking to do this Thursday evening - I know that a bunch of you are going today (Sunday), but writing obligations will prevent me from having a window to do this until after 5 on Thursday (the last day). Let me know if anyone is interested!

Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> When are you doing this?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, Drew Gaska, author of CONSPIRACY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES here.
> >
> > Anyone from the NY area?
> >
> > Film Forum West Houston St. in NYC's Greenwich Village with be showing
> the Original Planet of the Apes for one ween starting tomorrow, Fri.
> July 8th until Thursday July 14th in a glorious new 35 MM print!
> >
> > I was thinking of putting a group together, thought we might all go to
> dinner, see the movie, I could show you all art from the book, and talk
> about the story. This is a 'everyone-pays-their-own-way' thing, just a
> social gathering of apes fans who might want to get a chance to talk to
> the author.
> >
> > Haven't set the date yet, just putting out feelers now.
> >
> > Let me know!
> >
> > - Drew Gaska
> >
>
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Group: pota Message: 64365 From: Blam Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: APES at Comic-Con 2011
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Also, On Saturday, July 23rd, at 6pm, I will be talking about Planet of the Apes at the ARCHAIA Entertainment panel at San DIego Comic Con!

http://www.archaia.com/blog/archaia-panels-at-san-diego-comic-con-2011


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> Anyone here going to Comic-Con this year? Normally I wouldn't pay this any attention, but this year 20th Century Fox has something intresting coming out and will conduct a not so 'secret' panel.
>
> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/breaking-dawn-drive-and-20th-century-foxs-secret-panel-make-comic-con-2011-thursday-schedule
>
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Group: pota Message: 64366 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Thinkin' 'bout POTA
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Fox seems to have known they needed to get this movie "right."  They ran the APES franchise into the ground in the seventies before the post-STAR WARS era when the studios realized what an endless revenue stream franchises can be if they're handled right, and then they practically buried it with the ill-conceived "re-imagination" in 2001.
 
If the movie stands on its own as a good movie, then it should be embraced and not nitpicked to death because it does match up precisely with every detail seen in the original and most especially because it doesn't match what's in any of the originals sequels.
 
I think that if any APES fan has some kind of way of relating the TV series to the movie series, then it shouldn't be too difficult to relate this new movie to the original film.  If the director of RISE says his movie is a prequel to the original, then that's it -- it's a prequel.  There may be "continuity" problems, but so what?  There's continuity problems between nearly all the entries in the original series.  You just have to ignore certain things, otherwise you just spoil these things for yourself.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 6:29 am
Subject: [pota] Thinkin' 'bout POTA

 
Just thinkin' 'bout what I saw at the "Rise" event at CalTech. It's pretty amazing that POTA keeps raising it's head every ten years. In 1991 the Adventure comics bought it back to life just when I wanted to return (yeah, it was also around in 1990 and 1992 but 1991 was it's only full year). Adventure gets it's knocks but I thought a lot of it was pretty good: the early issues of the main series, most of the miniseries. The main thing is that's all there was. Rumors about a new movie (directed by Adam Rifkin), no internet, for most of it not even a fanzine. So even at it's worst I was glad to have it and I was hopeful about the POTA future.
Then there was a decade of heady movie development (Oliver Stone! James Cameron! Tim Burton!). That culminated of course in Burton's POTA2001. I said at the time and I say it now, I don't hate it. There's a lot of good in that movie and I think with what's coming, fans will have a healthier attitude toward it, when the Burton film isn't what the public first thinks of when they think POTA.
And now here we are in 2011, and I'm one of the first people on the "planet" to see actual scenes from "Rise" (because I'm awesome) and it feels like what we've been waiting for. "Rise" has been very ignored this summer but now the word is going to get out, with the Hollywood Reporter already wondering if this will get Andy Serkis acting nominations. One of the comments that keep getting made on the internet is that the apes don't look real. Well, I've seen the scene with Caesar's mother (Chimp 9 in the trailers) and I can say the apes are as real as WETA wants to make them. The first scene they showed us is a jaw dropper. If the rest of the movie lives up to what I've seen, this movie is going to give POTA it's "Lord of the Rings" moment (meaning the movies, and no wonder considering many LOTR people were involved).
And the director is a gem, researching everything and taking it seriously. I remember Marky Mark, I mean Mr. Walhberg saying he asked Tim Burton if he should study astronauts and Tim said basically not to bother. Rupert Wyatt said these films are a lead in to the original movie and I would usually think he's just saying what fans want to hear. But not with him. I totally trust POTA in his hands. He's thought this stuff through. He's the real deal. If anything, his sincerity might hurt it at the box office but I hope not.
Fans are jaded and I don't blame them. But I just want to give some hope based on my lucky experience. It's been a long time coming but 20 years later maybe POTA has arrived (again).
Time to celebrate. Hit it, Pete!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR0I2WOuSxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-JCL7cJGM

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Group: pota Message: 64367 From: James Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Second Full US Trailer for Rise of the Planet Apes Introduces Us to Chimp 9
Dread Central
By Uncle Creepy I'm not even sure it would be possible for us to be more excited about 20th Century Fox's upcoming summer blockbuster, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and then a new trailer comes and we're drooling once again. Rise of the Planet of the ...
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Freida Pinto was initially "surprised" by James Franco's style of acting
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The actress stars alongside the actor in Rise of the Planet of the Apes and while, at first, she was taken aback by his methods, she started to learn from him. She said: "He's got his own unique and distinctive style of acting. It's not conventional at ...
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'Rise of the Planet of the Apes': Will Andy Serkis Score Acting Nom Without ...
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The Rise of the Planet of the Apes, with its photoreal visual effects, is sure to be a major factor in this year's visual effects Oscar race. The bigger awards question surrounding the film, which 20th Century Fox will release Aug. ...
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Planet of the Apes - Film - Time Out New York
Planet of the Apes. We can't take our paws off this simian sci-fi classic. By Keith Uhlich. IRON MONKEY A primate is primed to fire. ...
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Group: pota Message: 64368 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
 
>
> Hey! What's-a-matta-U?

A lot of people have asked that. The doctors still can't figure it out. :-)
>
> I said the idea that Taylor's ship left in 1972 is now dated, quaint and even ridiculous, and you can add a twentieth century nuclear war to that too.

But Taylor being from that era, during the Cold War, is at the core of his character. And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of the film's premise. If you find those fundamental elements of the film dated, quaint and even riduculous; you must find the film itself dated, quaint and even ridiculous.
>
> It never happened, so most of BENEATH's back story is dated. ESCAPE is dated. CONQUEST is dated, and even BATTLE. It's all dated.
>
By that logic, you must think Casablanca, Citizen Kane and Gone with the Wind all dated. I prefer to think of them as classics like Planet.

>
> Tell that to the makers of BENEATH, but then you can't because most of them are dead.

Except that other than getting the date wrong there are really no major revisions to Planet in Beneath. I find Escape far more revisionist by making Taylor a military officer when the character played by Heston clearly wasn't.
>
>
>
> It is if Fox says it is, and that's just too bad if you don't like it.
>
But that's the point. FOX has never called the film a prequel. Many on the internet have but FOX hasn't. They've called it an origin story just as Batman Begins was an origin story but not meant to be prequel to the 1989 Batman or the 1966 Batman.

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Group: pota Message: 64369 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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But Taylor being from that era, during the Cold War, is at the core of his character. And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of the film's premise. If you find those fundamental elements of the film dated, quaint and even riduculous; you must find the film itself dated, quaint and even ridiculous. 
 
I don't know where you get this "you must" stuff from.  There's no must in any of this.  This "must" is your leap of logic, not mine. 
 
I don't see Taylor's character having anything to do with the Cold War.  He's a classic misanthrope.  He'd be a misanthrope if he was from the 19th Century.  If he was General "Buck" Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove  then maybe I could see what you're referring to, but I don't see it.  And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of PLANET's premise?!!!!  I see the entire nuclear war inference with PLANET a Rod Serling add-on that only works in retropect after you've viewed the film.  You're not thinking about nuclear war until Taylor's lines at the very end of the movie.  And as for the movie itself being dated, I've got news for you -- all films date, especially ones several decades old, and even classics date.  And, yes, there are elements of PLANET that are quaint and even ridiculous.  The astronaut's space mission is rather ridiculous and really not much more sophisticated than the voyage of the Robinson family.  That's one example, another is the apes speaking English and Taylor not realizing where he is.  That's ridiculous in retrospect, but works for the movie itself because it has a very tough job of suspending disbelief to do, so it just moves along and doesn't question itself.  As Science Fiction, if you examine POTA too carefully, it falls apart.
 
 
 
> It never happened, so most of BENEATH's back story is dated. ESCAPE is dated. CONQUEST is dated, and even BATTLE. It's all dated.
>
By that logic, you must think Casablanca, Citizen Kane and Gone with the Wind all dated. I prefer to think of them as classics like Planet.
 
As I said, even classics date.
 
> Tell that to the makers of BENEATH, but then you can't because most of them are dead.
Except that other than getting the date wrong there are really no major revisions to Planet in Beneath. I find Escape far more revisionist by making Taylor a military officer when the character played by Heston clearly wasn't. 
Having there be a gorilla army and a General Ursus is one major revision.  Zira and Cornelius aren't in prison after what they did in PLANET is another revision.  Having Taylor give Nova his dog tags is a revision.  Brent's belief in a "Hasslein Curve" is a revision.  And getting the geography of the original movie mixed up is another huge revision.  How else do you explain Brent stumbling across a subway station on what's supposed to be part of Long Island?
 
 
>
> It is if Fox says it is, and that's just too bad if you don't like it.
>
But that's the point. FOX has never called the film a prequel. Many on the internet have but FOX hasn't. They've called it an origin story just as Batman Begins was an origin story but not meant to be prequel to the 1989 Batman or the 1966 Batman.
Jeff has quoted the director as saying it's a prequel.  The director is the authority here, not the studio Publicity Dept.

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Group: pota Message: 64370 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: New RISE Trailer
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FOX has issued a new trailer for RISE. It is available on the group's website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer3.htm and on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm

I have to say, each trailer makes me more and more excited to see the film. Just 26 days to go!

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Group: pota Message: 64371 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
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That's just the International Trailer # 2 (with better sound) as a U.S. trailer.
I think Fox will be releasing some of the scenes from CalTech soon though.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] New RISE Trailer




FOX has issued a new trailer for RISE. It is available on the group's website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer3.htm and on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm

I have to say, each trailer makes me more and more excited to see the film. Just 26 days to go!
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Group: pota Message: 64372 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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As far as I know, the director has never actually called it a prequel. He's called it an origin story too. But he's called it an origin story that "leads" to the original film. And Heston's ship makes an appearance in the film. Set visit people reported seeing production designs of it. So that sounds like a prequel to me.
It makes more sense to me if they use the Heston ship to do their own interpretation of the original film, like "Dark Knight" did it's own Joker. But the director insists it leads to POTA68.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:29 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)






But Taylor being from that era, during the Cold War, is at the core of his character. And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of the film's premise. If you find those fundamental elements of the film dated, quaint and even riduculous; you must find the film itself dated, quaint and even ridiculous.

I don't know where you get this "you must" stuff from. There's no must in any of this. This "must" is your leap of logic, not mine.

I don't see Taylor's character having anything to do with the Cold War. He's a classic misanthrope. He'd be a misanthrope if he was from the 19th Century. If he was General "Buck" Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove then maybe I could see what you're referring to, but I don't see it. And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of PLANET's premise?!!!! I see the entire nuclear war inference with PLANET a Rod Serling add-on that only works in retropect after you've viewed the film. You're not thinking about nuclear war until Taylor's lines at the very end of the movie. And as for the movie itself being dated, I've got news for you -- all films date, especially ones several decades old, and even classics date. And, yes, there are elements of PLANET that are quaint and even ridiculous. The astronaut's space mission is rather ridiculous and really not much more sophisticated than the voyage of the Robinson family. That's one example, another is the apes speaking English and Taylor not realizing where he is. That's ridiculous in retrospect, but works for the movie itself because it has a very tough job of suspending disbelief to do, so it just moves along and doesn't question itself. As Science Fiction, if you examine POTA too carefully, it falls apart.



> It never happened, so most of BENEATH's back story is dated. ESCAPE is dated. CONQUEST is dated, and even BATTLE. It's all dated.
>
By that logic, you must think Casablanca, Citizen Kane and Gone with the Wind all dated. I prefer to think of them as classics like Planet.

As I said, even classics date.

> Tell that to the makers of BENEATH, but then you can't because most of them are dead.
Except that other than getting the date wrong there are really no major revisions to Planet in Beneath. I find Escape far more revisionist by making Taylor a military officer when the character played by Heston clearly wasn't.

Having there be a gorilla army and a General Ursus is one major revision. Zira and Cornelius aren't in prison after what they did in PLANET is another revision. Having Taylor give Nova his dog tags is a revision. Brent's belief in a "Hasslein Curve" is a revision. And getting the geography of the original movie mixed up is another huge revision. How else do you explain Brent stumbling across a subway station on what's supposed to be part of Long Island?


>
> It is if Fox says it is, and that's just too bad if you don't like it.
>
But that's the point. FOX has never called the film a prequel. Many on the internet have but FOX hasn't. They've called it an origin story just as Batman Begins was an origin story but not meant to be prequel to the 1989 Batman or the 1966 Batman.
Jeff has quoted the director as saying it's a prequel. The director is the authority here, not the studio Publicity Dept.
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Group: pota Message: 64373 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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The film's official twitter page just called it a "reboot/prequel". Like I said, it's going to make POTA68 a squintquel. : )


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 7:29 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)






But Taylor being from that era, during the Cold War, is at the core of his character. And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of the film's premise. If you find those fundamental elements of the film dated, quaint and even riduculous; you must find the film itself dated, quaint and even ridiculous.

I don't know where you get this "you must" stuff from. There's no must in any of this. This "must" is your leap of logic, not mine.

I don't see Taylor's character having anything to do with the Cold War. He's a classic misanthrope. He'd be a misanthrope if he was from the 19th Century. If he was General "Buck" Turgidson from Dr. Strangelove then maybe I could see what you're referring to, but I don't see it. And a 20th Century nuclear war is at the heart of PLANET's premise?!!!! I see the entire nuclear war inference with PLANET a Rod Serling add-on that only works in retropect after you've viewed the film. You're not thinking about nuclear war until Taylor's lines at the very end of the movie. And as for the movie itself being dated, I've got news for you -- all films date, especially ones several decades old, and even classics date. And, yes, there are elements of PLANET that are quaint and even ridiculous. The astronaut's space mission is rather ridiculous and really not much more sophisticated than the voyage of the Robinson family. That's one example, another is the apes speaking English and Taylor not realizing where he is. That's ridiculous in retrospect, but works for the movie itself because it has a very tough job of suspending disbelief to do, so it just moves along and doesn't question itself. As Science Fiction, if you examine POTA too carefully, it falls apart.



> It never happened, so most of BENEATH's back story is dated. ESCAPE is dated. CONQUEST is dated, and even BATTLE. It's all dated.
>
By that logic, you must think Casablanca, Citizen Kane and Gone with the Wind all dated. I prefer to think of them as classics like Planet.

As I said, even classics date.

> Tell that to the makers of BENEATH, but then you can't because most of them are dead.
Except that other than getting the date wrong there are really no major revisions to Planet in Beneath. I find Escape far more revisionist by making Taylor a military officer when the character played by Heston clearly wasn't.

Having there be a gorilla army and a General Ursus is one major revision. Zira and Cornelius aren't in prison after what they did in PLANET is another revision. Having Taylor give Nova his dog tags is a revision. Brent's belief in a "Hasslein Curve" is a revision. And getting the geography of the original movie mixed up is another huge revision. How else do you explain Brent stumbling across a subway station on what's supposed to be part of Long Island?


>
> It is if Fox says it is, and that's just too bad if you don't like it.
>
But that's the point. FOX has never called the film a prequel. Many on the internet have but FOX hasn't. They've called it an origin story just as Batman Begins was an origin story but not meant to be prequel to the 1989 Batman or the 1966 Batman.
Jeff has quoted the director as saying it's a prequel. The director is the authority here, not the studio Publicity Dept.
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Group: pota Message: 64374 From: Stefan Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
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I started watching the trailer but it seemed to give too much away (like most trailers do these days) so I didn't watch all of it. Although I was dying to! =)

I don't know why I always get so excited about remakes since I usually end up extremely disappointed. =(



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> FOX has issued a new trailer for RISE. It is available on the group's
> website:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer3\
> .htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer\
> 3.htm> and on the mirror site:
> http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm
> <http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm>
>
> I have to say, each trailer makes me more and more excited to see the
> film. Just 26 days to go!
>
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Group: pota Message: 64375 From: gort65 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> Jeff has quoted the director as saying it's a prequel. The director is the authority here, not the studio Publicity Dept.
>

This is where the idea of alternative universes comes handy. Maybe two alternative universes manage to collide and join as one, which conveniently is the original film. ;)

Let's face it, looking for perfection in the Apes story is already lost (lost long ago). You can hammer together and mould a bit (which Rich Handley attempted with some degree of success in his Timeline book), but there'll always be sharp edges and burrs. I'm fine with the idea that this could prequel the basis of the original film (it seems it can with the Burton film, as has been pointed out on this group before), despite the imperfections and contradictions. If they get to a final film of the series where there is a George Taylor and Co, then I doubt that the story will be 100% like the original film with Heston. It'll have its own story, maybe quite similar, but also different. See, the broad sweep of the alternative universe comes into play and can keep a wide range of people happy... well, sort of. ;)

If the director has sincerely said it's a prequel, then that sort of nails it. It's hard to argue against such authority. Anyway, this film and its possible final film of the series won't magically wipe out the 1968 film, much like the 1968 film didn't erase the words of Boulle's novel.


Graham
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Group: pota Message: 64376 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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I was wrong, the director did call "Rise" a "prequel". In that Sci-Fi Channel magazine, he says, "In this film, we see television footage of the Icarus taking off from Earth, so that's a clear reference to the 1968 film, because that's the ship Charlton Heston and his crew were on. We've also incorporated elements from ("Conquest"), in terms of how the apes begin to revolt, but this is primarily a prequel to the 1968 film".
You can't get much plainer than that. When Haristas is right, he's right.
The question is whether they will eventually address the inconsistencies with the original or ignore them.


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 8:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)



As far as I know, the director has never actually called it a prequel. He's called it an origin story too. But he's called it an origin story that "leads" to the original film. And Heston's ship makes an appearance in the film. Set visit people reported seeing production designs of it. So that sounds like a prequel to me.
It makes more sense to me if they use the Heston ship to do their own interpretation of the original film, like "Dark Knight" did it's own Joker. But the director insists it leads to POTA68.
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Group: pota Message: 64377 From: HotScheetz@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
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James,

OMG!...They did it!...It's Planet of the Apes!!...

G




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From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 7:37 am
Subject: [pota] New RISE Trailer

 
FOX has issued a new trailer for RISE. It is available on the group's website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer3.htm and on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm
I have to say, each trailer makes me more and more excited to see the film. Just 26 days to go!
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Group: pota Message: 64378 From: George Taylor Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: The Mendez Dynasty RE-RUN?
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Isn't this the same edition of The Mendez Dynasty as last week's?  I was all in suspense only to endure making the anticlimactic discovery :-)   Some of the editions are really neat, especially when they help resolve mysteries involved with the whole Beneath the Planet of the Apes concept.  I now understand why Dr. Zaius and co. didn't invade the Forbidden Zone sooner:  prior skirmishes centuries before were unfruitful and even fatal.   I also grasp why illusions weren't used instead of masks:  the masks helped protect the mutated skin.  And the practice of "revealing one's inmost self" makes more sense amidst the occasional need to air out one's skin, especially in the presence of a nuclear bomb (which could deter the growth of micro-organisms, hence boosting reverence for it).   And I presume that such skin problems precluded a return to the Earth's surface, too (due to the harsh sun).  What a shame that they didn't befriend rather than imprison Astronauts Taylor & Brent, though.  Both could have been helpful allies whose trustworthiness presumably could have been discovered through adequate psychic probing.     At any rate, thank you for it all.   If there was a new edition distributed on Friday, July 8th though, I'd appreciate receiving the link please.   Meanwhile I sure can't wait 'til August 5th when the Apes begin their Rise  :-)     


--- On Fri, 7/8/11, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Subject: [pota] The Mendez Dynasty
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 6:09 AM

 

Good morning everyone! A new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now online.

To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo! home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also checkout the cool POTA book covers contributed by new group member Gary Cook in the group's Photos section:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/514098896/pic/list. Thanks Gary!

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

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Group: pota Message: 64379 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Oliver the humanzee
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Here's the famous Oliver, main inspiration for both Andy Serkis and the director of "Rise of the POTA".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38
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Group: pota Message: 64380 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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The film's official twitter page just called it a "reboot/prequel". Like I said, it's going to make POTA68 a squintquel. : )



That's what I've always said.  It's a prequel that's also a reboot because they have to, by nessessity because it's a forty-year-old franchise, update -- maybe "update" is a better term than revise -- for a modern audience.  
 
 
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Group: pota Message: 64381 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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Let's face it, looking for perfection in the Apes story is already lost (lost long ago). You can hammer together and mould a bit (which Rich Handley attempted with some degree of success in his Timeline book), but there'll always be sharp edges and burrs. I'm fine with the idea that this could prequel the basis of the original film (it seems it can with the Burton film, as has been pointed out on this group before), despite the imperfections and contradictions. If they get to a final film of the series where there is a George Taylor and Co, then I doubt that the story will be 100% like the original film with Heston. It'll have its own story, maybe quite similar, but also different. See, the broad sweep of the alternative universe comes into play and can keep a wide range of people happy... well, sort of. ;)

If the director has sincerely said it's a prequel, then that sort of nails it. It's hard to argue against such authority. Anyway, this film and its possible final film of the series won't magically wipe out the 1968 film, much like the 1968 film didn't erase the words of Boulle's novel.

Graham



I don't see Fox ever doing a remake of PLANET with the same characters and the same basic story.  It's been done and it's the classic original.  Fox is not going to wipe out the original.  What they'll do instead is tell stories from the two thousand year long gap between our time and 3978 A.D.  So, they could do "alot" of sequels!  If the studio ever does an "Absolutely the Last of the Planet of the Apes" movie, it'll end with a shot of a spaceship crashing into Lake Powell.
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Group: pota Message: 64382 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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I was wrong, the director did call "Rise" a "prequel". In that Sci-Fi Channel magazine, he says, "In this film, we see television footage of the Icarus taking off from Earth, so that's a clear reference to the 1968 film, because that's the ship Charlton Heston and his crew were on. We've also incorporated elements from ("Conquest"), in terms of how the apes begin to revolt, but this is primarily a prequel to the 1968 film".
You can't get much plainer than that. When Haristas is right, he's right.
The question is whether they will eventually address the inconsistencies with the original or ignore them.


They'll ignore them, of course.  Why would any "adult" want to bother with such a thing?  You watch them with an educated mind that knows the films were made decades apart and so there are things that won't perfectly match up.  You try not to ruin it for yourself by nitpicking.  If I did that every time I put BENEATH on, I'd only make it through five minutes!
 
I mean really!

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Group: pota Message: 64383 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Oliver the humanzee
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I enjoyed the clip which you sent. Did they ever determine if Oliver is indeed the descendant of a human and ape cross-breeding? I was of the belief that that wasn't possible but they said the same of Bonzo's partner's being someday elected U.S. President, too.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Here's the famous Oliver, main inspiration for both Andy Serkis and the director of "Rise of the POTA".
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38
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Group: pota Message: 64384 From: James Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.giwner@...
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:47 PM
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> Can you forward.
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Group: pota Message: 64385 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: The Mendez Dynasty RE-RUN?
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I checked and installment #19 was scheduled to run this week. The current installment is indeed #19. However, that preclude #19 accidentally running a week early by mistake.

Glad that you're enjoying the series. It has gotten mostly positive feedback so far.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, George Taylor <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> Isn't this the same edition of The Mendez Dynasty as last week's?  I was all in suspense only to endure making the anticlimactic discovery :-)   Some of the editions are really neat, especially when they help resolve mysteries involved with the whole Beneath the Planet of the Apes concept.  I now understand why Dr. Zaius and co. didn't invade the Forbidden Zone sooner:  prior skirmishes centuries before were unfruitful and even fatal.   I also grasp why illusions weren't used instead of masks:  the masks helped protect the mutated skin.  And the practice of "revealing one's inmost self" makes more sense amidst the occasional need to air out one's skin, especially in the presence of a nuclear bomb (which could deter the growth of micro-organisms, hence boosting reverence for it).   And I presume that such skin problems precluded a return to the Earth's surface, too (due to the harsh sun).  What a shame that they didn't befriend rather than
> imprison Astronauts Taylor & Brent, though.  Both could have been helpful allies whose trustworthiness presumably could have been discovered through adequate psychic probing.     At any rate, thank you for it all.   If there was a new edition distributed on Friday, July 8th though, I'd appreciate receiving the link please.   Meanwhile I sure can't wait 'til August 5th when the Apes begin their Rise  :-)     
>

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Group: pota Message: 64386 From: James Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: FW: Manhattan-20110710-00015.jpg
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: david.giwner@...
> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:49 PM
> Subject: Manhattan-20110710-00015.jpg
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> Another one.
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Group: pota Message: 64387 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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OK I'll give you that one;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Having Taylor give Nova his dog tags is a revision.

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Group: pota Message: 64388 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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Pretty much the same as Batman Begins, Casino Royale, Star Trek, etc.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> The film's official twitter page just called it a "reboot/prequel". Like I said, it's going to make POTA68 a squintquel. : )
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Group: pota Message: 64389 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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All reboots are an alternate universe in a sense. This one is no different.

But I would dispute that Rupert Everett being the ultimate authority. He didn't write the screenplay and has no right of ownership over POTA. He's not like George Lucas with Star Wars, he's a hired hand who had nothing to do with the creation of the original. His film may feature an astronaut Taylor but he is no more the same character played by Charlton Heston than Heath Ledger's Joker is the same character as Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
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>
> >
>
> This is where the idea of alternative universes comes handy. Maybe two alternative universes manage to collide and join as one, which conveniently is the original film. ;)
>
> Let's face it, looking for perfection in the Apes story is already lost (lost long ago). You can hammer together and mould a bit (which Rich Handley attempted with some degree of success in his Timeline book), but there'll always be sharp edges and burrs. I'm fine with the idea that this could prequel the basis of the original film (it seems it can with the Burton film, as has been pointed out on this group before), despite the imperfections and contradictions. If they get to a final film of the series where there is a George Taylor and Co, then I doubt that the story will be 100% like the original film with Heston. It'll have its own story, maybe quite similar, but also different. See, the broad sweep of the alternative universe comes into play and can keep a wide range of people happy... well, sort of. ;)
>
> If the director has sincerely said it's a prequel, then that sort of nails it. It's hard to argue against such authority. Anyway, this film and its possible final film of the series won't magically wipe out the 1968 film, much like the 1968 film didn't erase the words of Boulle's novel.
>
>
> Graham
>

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Group: pota Message: 64390 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg [1 Attachment]
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Isn't there anyone here that went to PLANET at the Film Forum this weekend?!!




-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: POTA Group <Pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 7:49 pm
Subject: [pota] FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg [1 Attachment]

 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 2:47 PM
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> Can you forward.
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Group: pota Message: 64391 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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All reboots are an alternate universe in a sense. This one is no different.
But I would dispute that Rupert Everett being the ultimate authority. He didn't write the screenplay and has no right of ownership over POTA. He's not like George Lucas with Star Wars, he's a hired hand who had nothing to do with the creation of the original. His film may feature an astronaut Taylor but he is no more the same character played by Charlton Heston than Heath Ledger's Joker is the same character as Jack Nicholson's version of the Joker.

Was Frank Schaffner just a hired hand?
 
This reboot/prequel is in the same universe as the original movie -- THAT'S THE FACT, JACK! -- and RISE is going to be the best POTA movie since the original.
 
And the Joker is the Joker, and Adam West will always be Batman.
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Group: pota Message: 64392 From: Blam Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes (and it's sequel) makes it NOT a revision...



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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> OK I'll give you that one;-)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
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> >
> > Having Taylor give Nova his dog tags is a revision.
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Group: pota Message: 64393 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Was Frank Schaffner just a hired hand?

In a sense, yes he was.
>
> This reboot/prequel is in the same universe as the original movie -- THAT'S THE FACT, JACK! 

No it is not. But if you want to believe that go right ahead. 

>
> And the Joker is the Joker, and Adam West will always be Batman.
>

Tell that to Christian Bale. :-)

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Group: pota Message: 64394 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: Oliver the humanzee
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That's part one of six. They determined he's a chimpanzee (he's still alive) through testing but still aren't sure what kind of chimp. A mutant? There really is a POTA feel to the story as an evolved ape (like "Escape" he became a celebrity then took a dark turn). They even mention POTA twice. They make it sound like a human/chimp hybrid is possible but probably couldn't reproduce.


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:35 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Oliver the humanzee



I enjoyed the clip which you sent. Did they ever determine if Oliver is indeed the descendant of a human and ape cross-breeding? I was of the belief that that wasn't possible but they said the same of Bonzo's partner's being someday elected U.S. President, too.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's the famous Oliver, main inspiration for both Andy Serkis and the director of "Rise of the POTA".
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-C6NkRUbI38
>
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Group: pota Message: 64395 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)
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But a director should at least TRY to connect all the dots. Maybe they're thinking along the lines of what the new "Star Trek" did, which was a big hit with the fans. We'll have to see what's in the movie. "Star Trek" faced the alternate universe head on, "Superman Returns" was a hodge podge and not as popular.
Bottom line, if it doesn't make sense I don't have to accept it as a direct prequel just like I don't have to accept the circular chronology.

Why bother connecting the dots? Why bother connecting it to the original in the first place?


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 4:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise of the POTA" at Caltech (possible spoilers)






I was wrong, the director did call "Rise" a "prequel". In that Sci-Fi Channel magazine, he says, "In this film, we see television footage of the Icarus taking off from Earth, so that's a clear reference to the 1968 film, because that's the ship Charlton Heston and his crew were on. We've also incorporated elements from ("Conquest"), in terms of how the apes begin to revolt, but this is primarily a prequel to the 1968 film".
You can't get much plainer than that. When Haristas is right, he's right.
The question is whether they will eventually address the inconsistencies with the original or ignore them.



They'll ignore them, of course. Why would any "adult" want to bother with such a thing? You watch them with an educated mind that knows the films were made decades apart and so there are things that won't perfectly match up. You try not to ruin it for yourself by nitpicking. If I did that every time I put BENEATH on, I'd only make it through five minutes!


I mean really!
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Group: pota Message: 64396 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/10/2011
Subject: new "Rise" screen grabs
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Al has grabbed some of the cool new images seen in the recent "Rise" TV commercials. Good work, Al.

http://www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com/tv_trailer_pics/album/index.html"
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Group: pota Message: 64397 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: Oliver the humanzee
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Yes they did, and no he wasn't.
 
In a message dated 7/10/2011 6:48:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:
Did they ever determine if Oliver is indeed the descendant of a human and ape cross-breeding?
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Group: pota Message: 64398 From: James Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

San Diego Debut: Conspiracy Of The Planet Of The Apes Bleeding ...
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Title: Conspiracy Of The Planet Of The Apes . Creators: Drew Gaska, Christian Berntsen, Rich Handley and Erik Matthews, Matt Busch, Patricio Carbajal, Colo, Dave Dorman, Dan Dussault, Chandra Free, Erik Gist, Lucas Graciano, ...
Bleeding Cool Comic Book, Movies...

Tom Felton reveals Franco 'man crush'
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By MusicRooms on 10/07/2011 The 23-year-old appears in upcoming sci-fi drama Rise of the Planet of the Apes alongside Hollywood actor James, 33, as well as Freida Pinto and Andy Serkis. Tom admits he was overwhelmed by his co-star James because of his ...
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Group: pota Message: 64399 From: Shane Miller Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
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AWESOME!!!!!!

--- On Sun, 7/10/11, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Subject: [pota] New RISE Trailer
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 10:35 AM

 
FOX has issued a new trailer for RISE. It is available on the group's website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer3.htm and on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm
I have to say, each trailer makes me more and more excited to see the film. Just 26 days to go!
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Group: pota Message: 64400 From: Benjamin Jarrell Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: Re: New RISE Trailer
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.htmlI saw a trailer attached to Transformers 3 this weekend, and there was noticeable positive crowd reaction. People were murmuring stuff like "Cool, POTA" and "Is this a POTA movie?" "I want to see that."

On Jul 11, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Shane Miller wrote:

 

AWESOME!!!!!!

--- On Sun, 7/10/11, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Subject: [pota] New RISE Trailer
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 10:35 AM

 
FOX has issued a new trailer for RISE. It is available on the group's website: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/RiseTrailer3.htm and on the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/RiseTrailer3.htm
I have to say, each trailer makes me more and more excited to see the film. Just 26 days to go!


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Group: pota Message: 64401 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: "Rise" dynamic duos
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Group: pota Message: 64402 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/11/2011
Subject: James Franco talks "Rise of the POTA"
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Franco was interviewed by "Playboy" magazine and commented a bit on going ape. He feels the film might suffer from people having their knives out for him (it's open season on Franco post-Oscars, plus his last film bombed, plus all the overexposure). He also seems more detached from the film, considering himself an actor for hire and saying they did reshoots to make it more action -oriented (though he hasn't seen the movie yet). Usually comments like that would worry me, but having seen footage I'm not worried (yet) and Franco is solid in it.

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/BatFreak/news/?a=41485
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Group: pota Message: 64403 From: James Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Rise of the Planet of the Apes might be the most realistic ape revolution ...
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Alasdair Wilkins —We've seen tons of new footage from Rise of the Planet of the Apes, and we're even more excited for the upcoming primate rebellion. We also learned from the creative team just how far they went to create realistic apes. ...
See all stories on this topic »

James Franco Sounds Excited About Rise of the Planet of the Apes ...
Movieline.com. For the funniest & most entertaining news, reviews and interviews by leading industry insiders on movies, tv shows and dvds.
Movieline

Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes App For iPhone And iPad
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Now it's the turn of Rise of The Planet of the Apes, a revamp of the original Planet of the Apes series that was kicked off in 1968 by the homonymous flick. Although there's a ways to go before the apes actually rise (the official release of the movie ...
See all stories on this topic »

 

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Group: pota Message: 64404 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: Re: video from Caltech "Rise" event
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From: Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 4:53 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: video from Caltech "Rise" event


The Seven Sees was at the event and created a little video:

http://thesevensees.com/2011/07/11/rotpota-caltech-event/
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Group: pota Message: 64405 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: POTA Blu-ray Collection Cheap!
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Amazon is now selling the 2008 POTA Blu-ray collection for only $40.49!!!  Considering there's a book with it, that's pretty cheap.  I wonder if Fox wants to cut the inventory on these to make room for a new edition?
 
 
-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 64406 From: James Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: FW: ape items
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-----Original Message-----
From: William Burge
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: ape items

dear group, i found a cinema park drive-in ad from may 1968 in el paso tx that was showing planet- and an ad from apjac production in box office magazine dated april7, 1969. enjoy from william burge <.html
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Group: pota Message: 64407 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: "Rise" U.S. trailer in HD
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The U.S. version of the trailer (I think it has much better sound) formerly known as International #2 has been put on the official "Rise" youtube channel, where it joins their other goodies. Top of the line trailer to date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sl52gPQ2WjI
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Group: pota Message: 64408 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/12/2011
Subject: new "Rise" poster
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Here's a new International release poster. I still prefer the one with the bridge but this is pretty cool.

http://www.iamrogue.com/news/movie-news/item/4213-stare-unto-caesar-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-international-poster.html"
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Group: pota Message: 64409 From: rassmguy Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
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Group: pota Message: 64410 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
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I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful groups to discuss Tarzan but this is a group to discuss POTA. Please stay on topic.


From: rassmguy
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios



http://www.apescomics.com/prequel/page-01.html"
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Group: pota Message: 64411 From: briankg2008_smile Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: POTA (1968) AZ locations
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Anyone have the exact locations in Page/Lake Powell, AZ on Google Maps? I had seen it a long time back and now can't find it.
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Group: pota Message: 64412 From: rassmguy Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
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LOL!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I'm sure there are plenty of wonderful groups to discuss Tarzan but this is a group to discuss POTA. Please stay on topic.
>
>
> From: rassmguy
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 6:20 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Prequel comic to Rise of the POTA now online--from BOOM! Studios
>
>
>
> http://www.apescomics.com/prequel/page-01.html"
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Group: pota Message: 64413 From: David Giwner Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg
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I did. I sent pics to James. I see he posted them. I saw a 3:15 showing on Sunday July 10th. Theather was just about sold out. There were a lot of middle aged peole that brought young kids(either their own or grand children).  
 
I thought the print was ok. I think my Blu ray copy was better. The screen at the Film  Forum was not that big. The sound was low. That could be the Film Forums fault.
 
Heston got big pops from the crowd on some of his remarks in movie... Im sure you all could figure out the scenes.
 The audience gave a nice round of applause at the end of the movie.  
 
This theather would not be a bad place to have a "Go Ape Marathon".....
 
NYC DAVE......

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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Isn't there anyone here that went to PLANET at the Film Forum this weekend?!!





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Group: pota Message: 64414 From: James Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: FW: beneath ad
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Group: pota Message: 64415 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: new "Rise" commercials
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Ape Al has added two new "Rise" commercials that has some new shots in them (hint: eventually that gorilla has to land on the helicopter). Check out TV Trailer # 8 and 9.

http://www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com.html___caesar_trailers.html"
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Group: pota Message: 64416 From: jamesa1102 Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Re: POTA (1968) AZ locations
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Here's a shot from Google earth: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Maps.htm Just click on the Lake Powell tab. Hope this helps.

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> Anyone have the exact locations in Page/Lake Powell, AZ on Google Maps? I had seen it a long time back and now can't find it.
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Group: pota Message: 64418 From: James Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Rise of the Planet of the Apes International Poster
MovieWeb
20th Century Fox has unveiled an international poster for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which hits theaters nationwide on August 5, and UK theaters on August 11. Take a look at this British poster below, which features a closer look at the lead ape ...
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YouTube - Rise of the Planet of the Apes: Special Effects Exclusive‏
Learn more about the tech and process behind creating the army of digital apes for the new movie Rise of the Planet of the Apes. IGN's ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzv6Qvu_tXw

Will Rise of the Planet of the Apes Win Andy Serkis an Oscar?
MovieWeb
The good news is that Rise of the Planet of the Apes leaps over this vast canyon of sullen, black-hearted creepiness to give us an electric group of computer generated characters; some more alive than the humans we've seen at the Cineplex this summer. ...
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RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES Motion Capture Technology
Collider.com
by Rob Vaux Posted:July 11th, 2011 at 7:11 pm Primatologists, professors and filmmakers gathered at CalTech in Pasadena this past Thursday to discuss 20 th Century Fox's new film Rise of the Planet of the Apes. Apes director Rupert Wyatt headlined a ...
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New Poster: Face of the Rise of the Planet of the Apes
HeyUGuys.co.uk
New poster time for Rupert Wyatt's Rise of the Planet of the Apes and it's all about Caesar as this new image puts the Andy Serkis/Weta creation front and centre. They've done a great job with the trailers and teasing TV spots for this film and while ...
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Group: pota Message: 64419 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 7/13/2011
Subject: Birthday Reminder
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Reminder from:   pota Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Jackie Earle Haley's Birthday
 
Date:   Thursday July 14, 2011
Time:   All Day
Repeats:   This event repeats every year.
Notes:   Kraik in 'The Legacy'
 
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Group: pota Message: 64420 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/14/2011
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 This is a variation on the previous bridge poster but with a better face on Caesar. Plus the pictures on the bottom. Love the solidarity picture in the middle. I want it!
 
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Group: pota Message: 64421 From: jessica rotich Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: APES at Comic-Con 2011
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I get to go, my first time ever! Getting excited and nervous...cause I finally get to get my ape on again.

Jess.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 10:13 PM, Blam <blamventurer@...> wrote:

Also, On Saturday, July 23rd, at 6pm, I will be talking about Planet of the Apes at the ARCHAIA Entertainment panel at San DIego Comic Con!

http://www.archaia.com/blog/archaia-panels-at-san-diego-comic-con-2011



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> Anyone here going to Comic-Con this year? Normally I wouldn't pay this any attention, but this year 20th Century Fox has something intresting coming out and will conduct a not so 'secret' panel.
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> http://www.hitfix.com/articles/breaking-dawn-drive-and-20th-century-foxs-secret-panel-make-comic-con-2011-thursday-schedule
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Group: pota Message: 64422 From: James Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Ready for Rise of the Planet of the Apes ? Free Online Comic ...
By Johanna
Or, if you prefer video to digital, Amazon has a really good deal right now on the Planet of the Apes 40th Anniversary Collection. The set has the five movies with lots of extras, available now at half-price. The DVD Legacy Collection ...
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The Power Of The Film Trailer
WhatCulture!
So when a serious trailer like this one for Rise of the Planet of the Apes (Did Hemingway choose the title?) is greeted by audible chuckles most theaters you only need a mirror to see who is to blame. This preview was close to working, ...
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BOOM!, Fox bring 'Apes' comic prelude online
Albany Times Union
Studios shows a page from "Rise of the Planet of the Apes." Published by BOOM! starting Wednesday, the comic details events leading up the story told in the 20th Century Fox film "Rise of the Planet Apes" being released Aug. 5. ...
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Group: pota Message: 64423 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET at Film Forum
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I didn't think it likely that the print would be as good as the Blu-ray.  If James goes to see it, then maybe he'll tell if the print is better than the one shown at the Ziegfeld in '08.



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From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 13, 2011 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg

 
I did. I sent pics to James. I see he posted them. I saw a 3:15 showing on Sunday July 10th. Theather was just about sold out. There were a lot of middle aged peole that brought young kids(either their own or grand children).  
 
I thought the print was ok. I think my Blu ray copy was better. The screen at the Film  Forum was not that big. The sound was low. That could be the Film Forums fault.
 
Heston got big pops from the crowd on some of his remarks in movie... Im sure you all could figure out the scenes.
 The audience gave a nice round of applause at the end of the movie.  
 
This theather would not be a bad place to have a "Go Ape Marathon".....
 
NYC DAVE......

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 8:19:46 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg

 
Isn't there anyone here that went to PLANET at the Film Forum this weekend?!!




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From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: POTA Group <Pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 7:49 pm
Subject: [pota] FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg [1 Attachment]

 
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Group: pota Message: 64424 From: rassmguy Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Prequel comic review
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Here's my latest piece for Pop Culture Zoo, reviewing BOOM! Studios' prequel comic for the film Rise of the Planet of the Apes:

http://popculturezoo.com/2011/07/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-the-prequel-begins/
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Group: pota Message: 64425 From: Jeff K. Date: 7/14/2011
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"Rise" wouldn't fit in the BOOM! continuity because they suggest a circular timeline. The "Rise" director plans for "Rise" to be part of Classic "Apes" continuity but that would only fit in an alternate timeline (since it takes place in the 2010's, not the 70's/90's of "Escape"/"Conquest"). I guess "Rise" would lead to the original and "Beneath" before "Escape" would reboot it.
The prequel comic says Bright Eyes has blue eyes (I guess a nod to Zira?) but the movie director said she's called Bright Eyes because her eyes turn green from the Alzheimer's cure (as due all the apes).


From: rassmguy
Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 6:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Prequel comic review



Here's my latest piece for Pop Culture Zoo, reviewing BOOM! Studios' prequel comic for the film Rise of the Planet of the Apes:

http://popculturezoo.com/2011/07/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-the-prequel-begins/
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Group: pota Message: 64426 From: David Giwner Date: 7/14/2011
Subject: Re: PLANET at Film Forum
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I was with JAmes at Zigfield back in 08.. This print looked  just as good as the 08 film.... But the screen was a lot smaller...
 
NYC DAVE.

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 9:04:40 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: PLANET at Film Forum

 

I didn't think it likely that the print would be as good as the Blu-ray.  If James goes to see it, then maybe he'll tell if the print is better than the one shown at the Ziegfeld in '08.



-----Original Message-----
From: David Giwner <bikergator25@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Jul 13, 2011 2:35 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg

 
I did. I sent pics to James. I see he posted them. I saw a 3:15 showing on Sunday July 10th. Theather was just about sold out. There were a lot of middle aged peole that brought young kids(either their own or grand children).  
 
I thought the print was ok. I think my Blu ray copy was better. The screen at the Film  Forum was not that big. The sound was low. That could be the Film Forums fault.
 
Heston got big pops from the crowd on some of his remarks in movie... Im sure you all could figure out the scenes.
 The audience gave a nice round of applause at the end of the movie.  
 
This theather would not be a bad place to have a "Go Ape Marathon".....
 
NYC DAVE......

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, July 10, 2011 8:19:46 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg

 
Isn't there anyone here that went to PLANET at the Film Forum this weekend?!!




-----Original Message-----
From: James <JamesA1102@...>
To: POTA Group <Pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 7:49 pm
Subject: [pota] FW: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg [1 Attachment]

 
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> Subject: IMG-20110710-00012.jpg
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