On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 6:36 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Hey there, who else is meeting in Philly this weekend? Maybe we can have a Yahoo group photo or something? I can't wait! It will be too hot for me to dress in my Gov. Breck outfit, no turtle neck in the summer! Looking forward to it.

Be sure to tell everyone there to go see RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES next weekend because it's "The Movie of the Year," and "A Classic in its Own Right." And it's good too.

And let's hear how those classic APES prints are.

-- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Oh, is this time to rejoice! RISE is truly gonna be HUGE! I've read that in India (AKA Freida Pinto land), it'll be opening at the largest number of screens ever.
>
> Here's more reviews:
>
> http://iheartthetalkies.com/2011/07/30/film-review-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/
>
>
> http://www.shadowlocked.com/201107302029/reviews/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-review.html"
>
> And here's an article on the entire franchise:
>
> http://www.shadowlocked.com/201107252018/opinion-features/evolution-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-franchise.html"
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "S Man" <masonverger12@...> wrote:
>
> Hey there, who else is meeting in Philly this weekend? Maybe we can have a Yahoo group photo or something? I can't wait! It will be too hot for me to dress in my Gov. Breck outfit, no turtle neck in the summer! Looking forward to it.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> As everyone should know by now Rise opens next friday. Well, it opens on
> friday in some countries. It doesn't open in Europe until a week later.
>
> While everyone is excited about the first new POTA film in a decade,
> some wish to be able to go see it without knowing everything about the
> film before going to the theater.
>
> In order to not spoil the theater-going experience for fellow members,
> there are going to be some temporary guidelines put in place for the
> next few weeks.
>
> First, please do not post articles or reviews that reveal too much
> about the film and its plot. While many are excited to hear positive
> reviews, they sometimes go into too much detail about the film. While we
> don't want to discourage anyone sharing a positive review they've read,
> we just ask that everyone use some common sense before posting.
>
> Second and most important, many are going to want to jump post their own
> personal reaction to the film as soon as they get home from seeing it,
> please be aware that many group members may not have seen the film yet.
> Comments like "I loved it" or 'the performances are really great", etc.
> are fine. Posting "I loved the surprise cameo by Paul Williams" is not.
> Since we don't want to put a moratorium on discussions about Rise, we
> ask that other than general comments spoiler space be included in post
> discussing the film for the next few weeks.
>
> Something like this
>
> S
>
> P
>
> O
>
> I
>
> L
>
> E
>
> R
>
>
>
> S
>
> P
>
> A
>
> C
>
> E
>
>
>
> This way those who have seen the film can scroll down and those who
> haven't will have the option not to. Just imagine if this group existed
> in 1968 and before you got a chance to see Planet, you read a post with
> where the first line was 'I can't believe they were on earth all along.
> That statue of liberty ending was shocking'.
>
> Hopefully, these very simple guidelines will help to not diminish the
> experience of seeing the film for the first time for any member. Thanks.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Ithaca College holds a Rod Serling conference every 2nd year or so and
> will be having another in September.
>
> But more interesting for POTA fans are some of the contents of the
> collected proceedings from prior years, which include a paper and
> presentation discussing the Rod's involvement and contribution to the
> original script. Some of the research attempts to answer the age old
> question of exactly which writer came up with the famous Statue of
> Liberty scene.
>
> You can download the proceedings (a 230 page, 7MB PDF) here:
> http://www.ithaca.edu/rhp/serling/docs/proceedings/
>
> The POTA discussing are in pages 34-50. Very interesting reading.
>
> I'd love to attend one of these conferences one day.
>
> Dario
>

>
> I read this, thought I posted it. I don't find it that negative, and in fact, after I see the movie I may agree with a lot of it, but the question finally comes down to this about a movie, Does that which works outweigh that which doesn't? No movie is perfect and all have flaws. The original POTA has it's flaws, but it still works.
>
> I'm not concerned at this point, and in fact I'm feelin' so good, I'm floating man, just floating.
>
> -- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> A surprise cameo by Paul Williams WOULD be great. But a cameo by Roddy McDowall would be a lot more surprising... not to mention disturbing.
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I've said before that I think I already know what the dramatic weaknesses of this movie will be. It's villains, the ones who mistreat the apes so badly that they revolt are going to be kind of cardboard villains that are so over-the-top in their callousness as to be insane. This is the kind of simple-minded screen writing that Hollywood indulges in simply because it's easy (the notorious "idiot plot," though I don't expect RISE to be idiotically plotted). It short changes the audience and I'm sure there will be aspects of RISE that will be "cheats," but you have to look at the movie as a whole. I think that the emotional story of Caesar is going to be hugely compelling and it's that which will draw in audiences.
>
> Although I've celebrated this early buzz stuff, actually I'm waiting to hear from major film critics (and I don't include Aintitcool in that category). It's their opinions that really matter to me, so actually I don't know yet what the "official" word on this movie is. The reviews from The New York Times, LA Times, Variety and such are what I'm really eager to read. On Reelz Channel on Fridays now there's Leonard Maltin's "Maltin on Movies." He'll have a RISE review this Friday. All the major papers on the Internet should start having reviews I would assume starting by the middle of the week. I don't expect them to be as positive generally as the early buzz stuff, but again, I've got a very good vibe about this film.
>
> I'm pretty sure of this... It's really been a rather crappy summer blockbuster season so far. Everything has been rather mediocre and forgettable, even the last Harry Potter movie is sinking fast domestically, and it looks this weekend as if THE SMURFS are going to out-gross COWBOYS & ALIENS, neither of which I have any interest in. RISE is most definitely -- from the indications -- going to be above average, and so, I think it's going to be the best reviewed "Blockbuster" of the summer, and I still think it's going to be HUGE, a much bigger grosser than anyone expects, most surprisingly Jeff Krueger, who only expects it to do "moderately" well. Moderate this, Krueger!!!!!
>
> This is all part and parcel of being positive about this movie. Why is there still the compulsion to be negative, especially if you liked the Burton disaster of 2001 (although it does pale beside 9/11 and the appointment of George Bush as President -- truly great disasters)?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>

>
> This is all part and parcel of being positive about this movie. Why is there still the compulsion to be negative, especially if you liked the Burton disaster of 2001 (although it does pale beside 9/11 and the appointment of George Bush as President -- truly great disasters)?

>>The folks at Brokensea Audio Productions should take a few hints

>>Scene from No Budget CG Fanfilm "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 5:41 PM, <lawford42@...> wrote:

I take it you have a project with "a compelling sense of faithful cinematic realism" and "appropriate voice talent" in the works?

Both the Broken Sea audio POTA adaptations and Destiny on the POTA are exceptionally well done fan efforts, and I'll come right out and say that I have more interest in them than I do either of the two new comic projects or RISE.

Chris L.

<<

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 8:33 PM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

Thanks Chris. Everyone has an opinion. No worries my friend.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

>>I may be (and probably am) miles behind you guys -- but have you

>>Scene from No Budget CG Fanfilm "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE

>>Seems that this guy has different feelings to Rise. If, and that's

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky21moFkmnQ <<

> Just got this e-mail from Amazon:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> Wow. Well done Ron. If there has to be CGI apes, I'd much rather see the
> completed version of this story that what's going to be in theaters
> shortly. Which for all the hype and TV spot saturation, could turn out to
> be another Green Lantern. We'll find out soon enough.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "RonHatter" <ronhatter@...> wrote:
>
> >>Scene from No Budget CG Fanfilm "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky21moFkmnQ <<

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:21 AM, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote:

Well I certainly take this project very seriously, despite the fact that it's "Very" Cheap CG, I wouldn't have had the money to film something that would do any justice, and My health was not very good, so I turned to Animation.

And I've already got some criticism about my choice, and certainly about the fact that it looks like a video game, but I'm approaching it as I would a real film, otherwise there would be no point.

I don't remember where, but at some point someone said it looked like I was just remaking scenes, but the truth is that I'm revisiting established scenes and characters, The Mutant Church in particular, because the movie will open and close there, so I'm doing a little bit of a recap, but at the same time looking at those events from a slightly different perspective, for example, we will actually see the Death of Zaius, but that's just a tiny part, I will show Milo Finding The Ship underwater, and maybe a montage of it being repaired.

I'm showing a little bit more of the ship, and I must confess that the interior has gotten a slight makeover, but it was an asthetic choice, Although I would not dare go back and touch the original films, I've always felt that If I were doing a sequel that showed the ship interior, then it would be more detailed, but that's because of the passage of time in real life, I suppose it could be compared a little bit to what was done with Star Trek, yet not quite the same as that, I think a better example might be the movie "SUPERMAN RETURNS" and I'm only referring to the basic concept of keeping with the Iconic story, Characters and Mythology, but visually being more detailed and elaborate.

But not everything is being treated that way, The Apes Obviously are the Classic Design, with the exception of some of the Apes in Caesar's era, I wanted to make them a bit more distinct from the future ones, yet I couldn't change the look of established characters, so my compromise was to make there legs a bit shorter, the arms a bit longer, but keep the faces intact, however with the gorillas of that Era, some will have head shapes that look more like real Gorillas, but again it's part of them being more primitive than they are 2000 years later.

The Clothing in Caesar's Era are also getting this treatment, but they will still look like something that the Chimps, Orangutans, and Gorillas would be wearing in this franchise.

But enough about the Asthetic of this Project, the story is obviously the most important part, like Each of the original films, it will be an individual story that happens to be part of a greater whole in the Mythology, but a big difference is that The 5 films are established, and this grows out of them, yet this is also a Swan song, a more definitive final chapter.

Obviously Caesar is the most prominent character, but he is at the End of his Life,
Virgil is another important character, and he has sort of taken on most of Caesar's responsibilities, because Caesar is just too Old and not in the best of health, physically or mentally.
Mendez II is the main human character, and he is obviously the child of Mutants from the 5th film, and the prototype for the mutants in the 2nd film, he is just really beginning his Journey and assuming responsibility, however I'm not really going to Explore the Mendez Dynasty, that would be going in a completely different direction, and he is just one character among many.

This is also a More Intimate Story(so to speak) it is much more about the small scale yet important conversations between the characters than it is the epic action, and it is less of a Kids movie than "BATTLE" but not quite as Extreme as "CONQUEST"

there are some things that will happen that are predictable, but they are predictable because Conclusions have already been drawn, I suppose it's really more of a confirmation of conclusions and theories that Fans have had.

Now the technical aspect of this project is different, the only Work not being done by me is some of the Voice acting although I'm doing multiple characters, but so far there is only 2 people doing voice work,
that doesn't make this very easy. The Script is also Mostly the Work of another Fan who is extremely gifted, I gave him an outline, explained certain key scenes and characters and motivations, and hey very quickly came up with a Script that brought all these things together in an organic way, but as is usually done in film making, Script work is being done even up until the last minute, that part I'm doing, but it's not really big changes that I'm making so much as it is refining and preparing lines to be performed.

Some People will not like the choices I make, and that's fine, I respect that, all I can really say is that every Fan has their own vision of what should be, and ultimately I can only hope that there will be Fans who like the movie for what it is, a No Budget Fan Film that is trying to be more than the average Fan Film.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> Wow. Well done Ron. If there has to be CGI apes, I'd much rather see the
> completed version of this story that what's going to be in theaters
> shortly. Which for all the hype and TV spot saturation, could turn out to
> be another Green Lantern. We'll find out soon enough.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

> "RonHatter" <ronhatter@...> wrote:
>
> >>Scene from No Budget CG Fanfilm "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky21moFkmnQ <<

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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Message Received: Jul 31 2011, 03:35 PM
From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [pota] Spoilers

 

As everyone should know by now Rise opens next friday. Well, it opens on friday in some countries. It doesn't open in Europe until a week later.

While everyone is excited about the first new POTA film in a decade, some wish to be able to go see it without knowing everything about the film before going to the theater.

In order to not spoil the theater-going experience for fellow members, there are going to be some temporary guidelines put in place for the next few weeks.

First, please do not post articles or reviews that reveal too much about the film and its plot. While many are excited to hear positive reviews, they sometimes go into too much detail about the film. While we don't want to discourage anyone sharing a positive review they've read, we just ask that everyone use some common sense before posting.

Second and most important, many are going to want to jump post their own personal reaction to the film as soon as they get home from seeing it, please be aware that many group members may not have seen the film yet. Comments like "I loved it" or 'the performances are really great", etc. are fine. Posting "I loved the surprise cameo by Paul Williams" is not. Since we don't want to put a moratorium on discussions about Rise, we ask that other than general comments spoiler space be included in post discussing the film for the next few weeks.

Something like this

S

P

O

I

L

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R

S

P

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E

This way those who have seen the film can scroll down and those who haven't will have the option not to. Just imagine if this group existed in 1968 and before you got a chance to see Planet, you read a post with where the first line was 'I can't believe they were on earth all along. That statue of liberty ending was shocking'.

Hopefully, these very simple guidelines will help to not diminish the experience of seeing the film for the first time for any member. Thanks.

=

> I've heard people say it's not the POTA they want
> (talking apes with horses and guns). We'll have to
> see how accommodating people will be. "Rise" seems
> to be interesting the non-Ape fans more who don't
> have certain expectations (like makeup) and is
> interesting them in checking out the originals.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota-owner@yahoogroups.com wrote:

[snipped]

>
> In order to not spoil the theater-going experience for fellow members,
> there are going to be some temporary guidelines put in place for the
> next few weeks.
>
> First, please do not post articles or reviews that reveal too much
> about the film and its plot. While many are excited to hear positive
> reviews, they sometimes go into too much detail about the film. While we
> don't want to discourage anyone sharing a positive review they've read,
> we just ask that everyone use some common sense before posting.
>
> Second and most important, many are going to want to jump post their own
> personal reaction to the film as soon as they get home from seeing it,
> please be aware that many group members may not have seen the film yet.
> Comments like "I loved it" or 'the performances are really great", etc.
> are fine. Posting "I loved the surprise cameo by Paul Williams" is not.
> Since we don't want to put a moratorium on discussions about Rise, we
> ask that other than general comments spoiler space be included in post
> discussing the film for the next few weeks.
>
> Something like this
>
> S
>
> P
>
> O
>
> I
>
> L
>
> E
>
> R
>
>
>
> S
>
> P
>
> A
>
> C
>
> E
>
>
>
> This way those who have seen the film can scroll down and those who
> haven't will have the option not to.


Maybe also adding "(spoilers)" in the subject line to posts that contain spoilers will give added protection?


Graham

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> > I've heard people say it's not the POTA they want
> > (talking apes with horses and guns). We'll have to
> > see how accommodating people will be. "Rise" seems
> > to be interesting the non-Ape fans more who don't
> > have certain expectations (like makeup) and is
> > interesting them in checking out the originals.
>
> Haristas: "Well, there's a lot more of those humans than the old 'horse&gun' nuts, whom I despise!"
>
> The gorillas were always a lot more imposing when they quietly went about their jobs without speaking a word of dialogue, yes, even when they were shooting their guns from horseback.
>
>
> Haristas: "RISE is gonna be HUGE! It's gonna kick cowboy & alien butt and teach those Smurfs a thing or two."
>
> To be able to kick the butt of "Cowboys & Aliens", that means that "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" has got to have a much more meaningful story behind its CGI than did "Cowboys & Aliens". Otherwise, it too will be severely criticized for indulging in CGI style over story substance.
>
> Having seen "Cowboys & Aliens", I can say that the awesomeness of the CGI hides a multitude of sins of its script. The film certainly lacked enough humor or a humorous sidekick for the protagonist to relieve the sometimes overly serious tone of the movie.
>
>
> SPOILER ALERT: I certainly wasn't convinced of the conversion of the human-abductee characters' psyches to become more humane. There certainly was no overriding reason for Harrison Ford's character to have been so transformed. The backstory of the lead protagonist's character was never ultimately clear to me but deserved to be clarified. (If I understood correctly, the alien-abductee experience had originally altered his otherwise good character to temporarily become a bad one. By the same token, however, shouldn't we be equally concerned about the same negative transformation of the good characters among the abducted townspeole being transformed into bad ones after their release from alien captivity?)
>
> What's more, why wouldn't the aliens of an advanced civilization have had some mobile one-man flying vehicles to deal with any potential human attack on their fortress instead of loping around like apes or dogs to attack humans without any weapons in hand to speak of? (Yes, some of their far-ranging ships did attack the humans but for all intents and purposes, they had no short-range vehicles to deal with any attacks upon their fortress.)
>
>
> As to "The Smurfs", most of the reviews I read likened it to being little more than a CGI cartoon for kids. For that reason, "The Smurfs" seems to be an instantly-beatable foe.
>

>
> Still no report on this? What happened?
>

> I'll just add that I honestly have a stronge hunch that it's going to be
> a huge hit.

> I'll just add that I honestly have a stronge hunch that it's going to be
> a huge hit.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "S Man" <masonverger12@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone, this is my first major post, I hope it is ok. Sunday was Awesome!!! It was fun and a wonderful shared experience. We started at about 11:45 and ended at 9ish. In between films we were treated to 16mm previews of classic sci-fi/horror films and even...2 16mm prints of Return to the Planet of the Apes episodes!!!
>
> About the prints. It was great that they had them, it was a day of ALL FILM no DVDs internet etc.
>
> Planet-It was a little 'washed out' and the sound was 'tinny' but it was not detracting at all. There were some roller scratches and dirt, but all-in-all it was ok.
>
> Beneath-This print was brighter, but the film was dirty. Many 'fleks' and some scratching, audio was clear.
>
> Escape-Of all 5 this was the best (in my opinion as a former projectionist)the film was clear but it looked faded, but then this movie always looked faded to me, very enjoyable.
>
> Conquest-Sadly, the worst of the 5. It was pretty beat, with much missing footage at reel changes. The crucial fake eloctrocution scene was chopped up and there were some scratches. Not grindhouse material, but it had seen its better days.
>
> Battle-Lots of emulsion scratches at the beginning (deep green and yellow)and missing footage at the end. There was a hum in the audio of the last reel.
>
> My praises to Exhumed Films for their work. I thanked the presenter a few times and thoroughly enjoyed the day. I will post more later. There were some props displayed, but no character make up from anyone. Again, a great time!!!
>
> From Shane
>

> "Harry Potter" # 8 just passed $ 1 billion worldwide. That's a hit.
> H-I-T.
>
> With "Rise", Fox will be happy if they can just put "Cougar liked it" on
> the ads. The impossible dream.
>
>
> From: mlccougar@...
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 12:49 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: To add some balance: a negative review of Rise
>
>
>
> But what's a "huge hit" these days? There rarely any true blockbusters
> anymore (films where the film is in theaters a couple months after being
> released and still doing big business)... As you mentioned, even the final
> cash cow
> "Harry Potter" film is fading away pretty quickly... If a film like that
> is
> not still in one of the top spots, how well is "Rise" going to do?

> Harry Potter is fading away because everyone on the planet has already
> seen it.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> RISE Video Review **SPOILER FREE** 5 out of 5 Stars.
> Â
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-btfdTB5_10
> Â
> Al
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 12:48 PM
> Subject: [pota] Re: To add some balance: a negative review of Rise
>
>
> Â
> Maybe Im wrong but arent these reviewers net based bloggers in general. I give no credence to these people, they are biased and have a movie education that goes back as far as Jeepers Creepers. Give me the major newspaper reviewers that usually have some form of film education and history and the wherewithall to write a convincing and propper critique. What did Roger Ebert say, nothing yet until the end of the week I assume and the reviewers who constantly compare Rise to the originals havent a clue on how to review.
> Rise is new and has about as much in common with old Apes as (Pick your film). It must be judged as its own animal and all the connections are for historical and for "Apeing" the originals. The connections in some cases are important but its so different that any negatives that can be associated with the originals are simply pointed out by the reviewer for his/her own self absorbing "Look what I know about the original Apes films, Im amazing".
> I havent been following reviews yet simply because, and correct me if wrong, these people are just one step above bloggers and self important geeks. The Friday morning edition newspapers will be the best for reviews. The best review will be from US Apes geniuses. John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
> >
> > > I've heard people say it's not the POTA they want
> > > (talking apes with horses and guns). We'll have to
> > > see how accommodating people will be. "Rise" seems
> > > to be interesting the non-Ape fans more who don't
> > > have certain expectations (like makeup) and is
> > > interesting them in checking out the originals.
> >
> > Haristas: "Well, there's a lot more of those humans than the old 'horse&gun' nuts, whom I despise!"
> >
> > The gorillas were always a lot more imposing when they quietly went about their jobs without speaking a word of dialogue, yes, even when they were shooting their guns from horseback.
> >
> >
> > Haristas: "RISE is gonna be HUGE! It's gonna kick cowboy & alien butt and teach those Smurfs a thing or two."
> >
> > To be able to kick the butt of "Cowboys & Aliens", that means that "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" has got to have a much more meaningful story behind its CGI than did "Cowboys & Aliens". Otherwise, it too will be severely criticized for indulging in CGI style over story substance.
> >
> > Having seen "Cowboys & Aliens", I can say that the awesomeness of the CGI hides a multitude of sins of its script. The film certainly lacked enough humor or a humorous sidekick for the protagonist to relieve the sometimes overly serious tone of the movie.
> >
> >
> > SPOILER ALERT: I certainly wasn't convinced of the conversion of the human-abductee characters' psyches to become more humane. There certainly was no overriding reason for Harrison Ford's character to have been so transformed. The backstory of the lead protagonist's character was never ultimately clear to me but deserved to be clarified. (If I understood correctly, the alien-abductee experience had originally altered his otherwise good character to temporarily become a bad one. By the same token, however, shouldn't we be equally concerned about the same negative transformation of the good characters among the abducted townspeole being transformed into bad ones after their release from alien captivity?)
> >
> > What's more, why wouldn't the aliens of an advanced civilization have had some mobile one-man flying vehicles to deal with any potential human attack on their fortress instead of loping around like apes or dogs to attack humans without any weapons in hand to speak of? (Yes, some of their far-ranging ships did attack the humans but for all intents and purposes, they had no short-range vehicles to deal with any attacks upon their fortress.)
> >
> >
> > As to "The Smurfs", most of the reviews I read likened it to being little more than a CGI cartoon for kids. For that reason, "The Smurfs" seems to be an instantly-beatable foe.
> >
>

Sounds like a good idea to me.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
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>
>
> Maybe also adding "(spoilers)" in the subject line to posts that contain spoilers will give added protection?
>
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> Graham
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> "Star Wars" (and "Jaws") kind of kicked off this kind of summer movie. Now there's a "Star Wars" every week. People kept going to "Star Wars" because that's all there was. The main thing is the big movies are so front loaded now and open on so many screens that the money comes in fast. I don't understand the idea of buying tickets in advance. I can see one of the big movies whenever I want, theaters show them on so many screens. It's a different era than "Star Wars", just as it is from the original POTA (when there were road shows which were true events). The money comes in quicker now but movies still make a fortune. When big movies show outside of summer they can be #1 for many weeks, like "Avatar". "Avatar" became a "Star Wars" type event because of the 3D and the word of mouth. Then 3D became commonplace. A film making $ 1 billion is still a rarity but "Avatar" is the only movie that made $ 2 billion.
>
>
> From: Terry Hoknes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:39 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: To add some balance: a negative review of Rise
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>
> Well I am definitely pumped about this new movie and hope to drag a ton of people out with me to see it
>
> I thought this post was interesting about “blockbusters”
>
> I was one of those kids that went back to the theatre over and over to see Star Wars in 1977
>
> However I think those days are gone
>
> I don’t think we would have kept going back if we knew we could buy it on Beta tape 6 months later
> or better yet could download a “cam” copy of the movie within days of release with a high speed internet connection
>
> So I think it’s very hard to build up the hype and keep it there
> I think the marketing of movies now creates more hype a year in advance of the release than perhaps the film itself
>
> I am also hoping the movie kicks butt at the box office and comes in #1
> I also think this one really has a shot at getting the audiences out!
> I love the long trailer that came out last week!!
>
> PS I just watched the new Harry Potter movie (yes I downloaded it and didn’t even go to the theatre!)
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> Yes, the last "Harry Potter" film IS a H-I-T (as all of that franchise
> was), but what I was referring to by a "true blockbuster" is something along
> the lines of "Star Wars" in '77 where people were continually lining up
> around the block to see it, having every showing sell out, and people going for
> repeated theatrical viewings and the film becoming a true blockbuster based
> on those merits... You don't see that happening much these days... It seems
> like now films are being touted as "blockbusters" well before they're even
> released because that term has just become synonymous with mid to big
> budgets movies... The term "blockbuster" is really nothing more than prerelease
> hype/publicity... ***
>

>
> As to the new Apes film-Rise- a thing I notice is the Gorilla heads seem to have less of the cranial peak than the Burton film and thats good. The Burton look was to primitive and since the apes talked and showed highly evolved characteristics this was silly looking to me. It could just be my imagination but the behind the scences guys(of Rise) and the Director seem to greatly want to get rid of the poorer aspects of the Burton film. In other words, when you speak and aquire intelligence the more primitive physicalities are a distraction and should be avoided. Planet of the Apes 68' hit it on the head. They had a certain look because evolutionary growth required it. Anyway, going on again, take care, John M.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
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> > As to the new Apes film-Rise- a thing I notice is the Gorilla heads seem to have less of the cranial peak than the Burton film and thats good. The Burton look was to primitive and since the apes talked and showed highly evolved characteristics this was silly looking to me. It could just be my imagination but the behind the scences guys(of Rise) and the Director seem to greatly want to get rid of the poorer aspects of the Burton film. In other words, when you speak and aquire intelligence the more primitive physicalities are a distraction and should be avoided. Planet of the Apes 68' hit it on the head. They had a certain look because evolutionary growth required it. Anyway, going on again, take care, John M.
> >
>
>
> I'm a bit puzzled by this. The Burton apes had high foreheads (they had to, the actors had them and they didn't use CGI for the apes, except when Attar and Ari roar mouth wide on two occasions), compared to normal apes that have very sloped foreheads. The Rise film shows apes with sloped foreheads, much like the apes that occur naturally. Maybe it's because you were disgusted with the Burton film and were in a rage about it so didn't look too closely ( ;) ), but the apes didn't look that primitive in looks to me: sort of a halfway between the apes we see in the originals and normal ones we have today. The idea was that they were meant to be in physical and intellectual terms between the animalistic apes we have now and the more developed humanoid apes in the PotA original. From what I've seen in Rise, there are only minimal differences between the apes in the film and those we see occurring in nature. If anything, the Rise apes look way more primitive physically than the Burton ones. Maybe I've misunderstood your point, but as I said, I'm puzzled.
>
>
> Graham
>

> I thought AVATAR would do well, but I agree that the movie was
> simple-minded and I can't explain how it managed to be so successful.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
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> > I thought AVATAR would do well, but I agree that the movie was
> > simple-minded and I can't explain how it managed to be so successful.
>
> Because nobody films action movies like James Cameron does. Say what
> you will about the story, script, and the dialogue, but the movie
> delivers big time on the action scenes, as Cameron's films always
> have.
>
> Hunter
>

>>RISE is gonna be HUGE! It's gonna kick cowboy & alien butt and

>>You're not going to get style without substance -- that was the

>>Old-time APES fans have to just enjoy the new ride, or get off and

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