Jeff K: "'Star Wars' (1977) (and 'Jaws') kind of kicked off this kind of summer movie. Now there's a 'Star Wars' *1977) every week."

Uhhhh, no, there's not. There are no such weekly phenomenons with summer-long "legs" (longevity) because of repeat viewings by movie-goers.


Jeff K: "People kept going to 'Star Wars' (1977) because that's all there was."

No, there were other good movies during the summer of 1977 including "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Heaven Can Wait". See Yahoo's Retro Look at the Movies of Summer 1977 at: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/224806/retro_look_summer_movies_of_1977.html"

What kept many people going back for multiple viewings of "Star Wars" (1977) was because of the unadulterated uniqueness of the viewing experience. It was not unlike a theme-part ride in many respects. Moreover, not all movies hold up to multiple viewings like that. Today, special effects aren't so novel anymore; indeed, computer CGI lacks a certain tactile reality to it than old-time special effects had. In the summer of 1977, however, the special effects of "Star Wars" (1977) seemed real enough to relive again and again and again and again.


Jeff K: "The main thing is the big movies are so front-loaded now and open on so many screens that the money comes in fast."

Front-loading also encompasses hype, publicity and promotion which most movies today enjoy in abundance because they're so much better publicized and information about them is so easily accessible, too.


Jeff K: "I don't understand the idea of buying tickets in advance."

Buying tickets well in advance of a movie's release is a must for anyone who doesn't care what its reviews are going to say and it's for anyone who's determined to see a film earlier on when it is otherwise apt to be selling out.


Jeff K: "I can see one of the big movies whenever I want, theaters show them on so many screens. It's a different era than 'Star Wars' (1977), just as it is from the original POTA (when there were road shows which were true events). The money comes in quicker now but movies still make a fortune."

Although it might seem like a fortune, many big-budget movies are lucky to show a respectable profit. The total cost of a film's release nowdays encompassing the cost of promoting it as well.


Jeff K: "When big movies show outside of summer, they can be #1 for many weeks, like 'Avatar'."

I don't doubt that "Avatar" would likely have had even better legs if it had been released in the summer. Same goes for Cameron's "Titanic" as well.


Jeff K: "'Avatar' became a 'Star Wars' (1977) type event because of the 3D and the word of mouth. Then 3D became commonplace. A film making $1 billion is still a rarity but 'Avatar' is the only movie that made $2 billion."

At least, *thus far.* Moreover, "Avatar" made advanced 3-D technology more reasonably desirable, especially since it occurred on the cusp of the debut of 3-D TV. Theater owners had to upgrade their theaters' technology in order to be able to show "Avatar" in 3-D when it first came out. At the time, it was deemed a risk because if "Avatar" had not succeeded, the theater owners were afraid they'd be saddled with a lot of souped-up technology but with no forthcoming 3-D films to support it.

Some groan at the idea of blog critics but they have opinions too and some write just as well as the newspaper ones. Here's one of my favorites reviewing "Rise". A few spoilers I guess but the first review I've read that gives props to the other ape actors besides Serkis.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-is-smart-character-driven-science-fiction

Uhhhh, I'm talking about the kind of uhhmusement park ride that "Star Wars" inaugurated. You get off, you get back on again. That's why there were week long lines for that and not "Heaven Can Wait".
We get those kinds of movies every week during the summer, plus they play on so many screens, presto!, no lines. Movies have one week before the next big thing.
"Avatar" and "Titanic" would not have had better legs in the summer. I think they are the # 1 and # 2 movies of all time because they came out in December when there's not as much competish. Plus the Oscars gave them "legs".

On topic: "Titanic" featured Eric ("Escape") Braeden and David (POTA2001) Warner and was directed by James (POTAlmost) Cameron. "Avatar" had FX by WETA ("Rise of the POTA") WETA.


From: shrstrategygames
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:23 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: To add some balance: a negative review of Rise





Jeff K: "'Star Wars' (1977) (and 'Jaws') kind of kicked off this kind of summer movie. Now there's a 'Star Wars' *1977) every week."

Uhhhh, no, there's not. There are no such weekly phenomenons with summer-long "legs" (longevity) because of repeat viewings by movie-goers.

Jeff K: "People kept going to 'Star Wars' (1977) because that's all there was."

No, there were other good movies during the summer of 1977 including "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Heaven Can Wait". See Yahoo's Retro Look at the Movies of Summer 1977 at: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/224806/retro_look_summer_movies_of_1977.html"

What kept many people going back for multiple viewings of "Star Wars" (1977) was because of the unadulterated uniqueness of the viewing experience. It was not unlike a theme-part ride in many respects. Moreover, not all movies hold up to multiple viewings like that. Today, special effects aren't so novel anymore; indeed, computer CGI lacks a certain tactile reality to it than old-time special effects had. In the summer of 1977, however, the special effects of "Star Wars" (1977) seemed real enough to relive again and again and again and again.

Jeff K: "The main thing is the big movies are so front-loaded now and open on so many screens that the money comes in fast."

Front-loading also encompasses hype, publicity and promotion which most movies today enjoy in abundance because they're so much better publicized and information about them is so easily accessible, too.

Jeff K: "I don't understand the idea of buying tickets in advance."

Buying tickets well in advance of a movie's release is a must for anyone who doesn't care what its reviews are going to say and it's for anyone who's determined to see a film earlier on when it is otherwise apt to be selling out.

Jeff K: "I can see one of the big movies whenever I want, theaters show them on so many screens. It's a different era than 'Star Wars' (1977), just as it is from the original POTA (when there were road shows which were true events). The money comes in quicker now but movies still make a fortune."

Although it might seem like a fortune, many big-budget movies are lucky to show a respectable profit. The total cost of a film's release nowdays encompassing the cost of promoting it as well.

Jeff K: "When big movies show outside of summer, they can be #1 for many weeks, like 'Avatar'."

I don't doubt that "Avatar" would likely have had even better legs if it had been released in the summer. Same goes for Cameron's "Titanic" as well.

Jeff K: "'Avatar' became a 'Star Wars' (1977) type event because of the 3D and the word of mouth. Then 3D became commonplace. A film making $1 billion is still a rarity but 'Avatar' is the only movie that made $2 billion."

At least, *thus far.* Moreover, "Avatar" made advanced 3-D technology more reasonably desirable, especially since it occurred on the cusp of the debut of 3-D TV. Theater owners had to upgrade their theaters' technology in order to be able to show "Avatar" in 3-D when it first came out. At the time, it was deemed a risk because if "Avatar" had not succeeded, the theater owners were afraid they'd be saddled with a lot of souped-up technology but with no forthcoming 3-D films to support it.

Here's another article touting Andy Serkis for an Oscar nomination. Love to hear it. It really would be history making if it happened. Performance capture is still misunderstood and controversial as far as whether it's a real acting.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50665

What's great is that practically ALL reviews, blogs and tweets have been positive. This is a very good sign.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> A rather long-winded review by some guy I assume is Australian. Minor spoilers because he has to tell you what he didn't like, but generally this is a very positive review.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lHd04YDYRc
>

Like most of you, I was their at Star wars 18 years old and the reason IMHO that moviegoers went to see it was that it was an eventless summer-not much in action- and the spaceships and loud sound, Lucas would allow only equipt theaters to show it for long periods of time and it was different with all those queer looking creatures and the adventures they took us on. The start of the film with the starship slowly appearing on the screen was always a talking point of my friends-easy to please I guess-and it wa different in a very familiar way. I didnt get it and didnt like the movie. Everyone else did though and a new creature was born, the summer event film, though some will say "Jaws" (a much better film) started it with the wide open egagment in 2000 theaters in 1975. Whatever, this was the start of S**t cinema in my view.
Movies like Star Wars had "Legs" as they say but the films today have a long weekend and if it doesnt make it its over other than DVD/B-ray sales which can save a film financially but sequels will probably not be made. The Fast Buck is all the studios are interested in. Integrety is out the window, take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jeff K: "'Star Wars' (1977) (and 'Jaws') kind of kicked off this kind of summer movie. Now there's a 'Star Wars' *1977) every week."
>
> Uhhhh, no, there's not. There are no such weekly phenomenons with summer-long "legs" (longevity) because of repeat viewings by movie-goers.
>
>
> Jeff K: "People kept going to 'Star Wars' (1977) because that's all there was."
>
> No, there were other good movies during the summer of 1977 including "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Heaven Can Wait". See Yahoo's Retro Look at the Movies of Summer 1977 at: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/224806/retro_look_summer_movies_of_1977.html"
>
> What kept many people going back for multiple viewings of "Star Wars" (1977) was because of the unadulterated uniqueness of the viewing experience. It was not unlike a theme-part ride in many respects. Moreover, not all movies hold up to multiple viewings like that. Today, special effects aren't so novel anymore; indeed, computer CGI lacks a certain tactile reality to it than old-time special effects had. In the summer of 1977, however, the special effects of "Star Wars" (1977) seemed real enough to relive again and again and again and again.
>
>
> Jeff K: "The main thing is the big movies are so front-loaded now and open on so many screens that the money comes in fast."
>
> Front-loading also encompasses hype, publicity and promotion which most movies today enjoy in abundance because they're so much better publicized and information about them is so easily accessible, too.
>
>
> Jeff K: "I don't understand the idea of buying tickets in advance."
>
> Buying tickets well in advance of a movie's release is a must for anyone who doesn't care what its reviews are going to say and it's for anyone who's determined to see a film earlier on when it is otherwise apt to be selling out.
>
>
> Jeff K: "I can see one of the big movies whenever I want, theaters show them on so many screens. It's a different era than 'Star Wars' (1977), just as it is from the original POTA (when there were road shows which were true events). The money comes in quicker now but movies still make a fortune."
>
> Although it might seem like a fortune, many big-budget movies are lucky to show a respectable profit. The total cost of a film's release nowdays encompassing the cost of promoting it as well.
>
>
> Jeff K: "When big movies show outside of summer, they can be #1 for many weeks, like 'Avatar'."
>
> I don't doubt that "Avatar" would likely have had even better legs if it had been released in the summer. Same goes for Cameron's "Titanic" as well.
>
>
> Jeff K: "'Avatar' became a 'Star Wars' (1977) type event because of the 3D and the word of mouth. Then 3D became commonplace. A film making $1 billion is still a rarity but 'Avatar' is the only movie that made $2 billion."
>
> At least, *thus far.* Moreover, "Avatar" made advanced 3-D technology more reasonably desirable, especially since it occurred on the cusp of the debut of 3-D TV. Theater owners had to upgrade their theaters' technology in order to be able to show "Avatar" in 3-D when it first came out. At the time, it was deemed a risk because if "Avatar" had not succeeded, the theater owners were afraid they'd be saddled with a lot of souped-up technology but with no forthcoming 3-D films to support it.
>

There ain't much in the way of "Rise of the POTA" collectibles but AMC theaters is giving away 4 tote bags (to tote your collection of no "Rise" collectibles). Details at the link:

http://www.amctheatres.com/network/blog.aspx?id=55423

I'm looking for the four CONSPIRACY cards handed out at the 2011 SDCC...
Also looking for the "Stewart" card from the first batch... Please email me
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Never cared for Cameron. *Im sure he cares what I say about him*. He makes up in action what he cant muster in good screen writing. His characters are one dimentional and so familiar and generic. I cringe at his films, I wish I didnt but except for "T-2" and some of "Strange Days" hes a lucky son of a gun, and most of his ideas are co-opted from other sources. Yeah, I know, they all do it, but to me hes the most prolific at it. Much better talent out in Hollywoodland, I wish they would be discovered or given a chance. Anyway, just an opinion, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Uhhhh, I'm talking about the kind of uhhmusement park ride that "Star Wars" inaugurated. You get off, you get back on again. That's why there were week long lines for that and not "Heaven Can Wait".
> We get those kinds of movies every week during the summer, plus they play on so many screens, presto!, no lines. Movies have one week before the next big thing.
> "Avatar" and "Titanic" would not have had better legs in the summer. I think they are the # 1 and # 2 movies of all time because they came out in December when there's not as much competish. Plus the Oscars gave them "legs".
>
> On topic: "Titanic" featured Eric ("Escape") Braeden and David (POTA2001) Warner and was directed by James (POTAlmost) Cameron. "Avatar" had FX by WETA ("Rise of the POTA") WETA.
>
>

I'm guessing for Freida Pinto's hometown of India, since she comes to the fore.

http://collider.com/apollo-18-poster-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-poster/107362/

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John M.: "Like most of you, I was their at Star wars 18 years old and the reason IMHO that moviegoers went to see it was that it was an eventless summer-not much in action..."

James Bond in "The Spy Who Loved Me", The Bandit (Burt Reynolds) of "Smokey & The Bandit", the two mice heroes of Disney's "The Rescuers", Sinbad of the Harryhausen special-effects-landen "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger" and the heroes of the World War II film "A Bridge Too Far" all beg to differ about the summer of 1977 being an "eventless sumer [with] not much in action".

Go to Google.com and in the search slot, put "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" <-- like this in quotation marks and then press enter and after the results come up, then at the top of the page, click on "News" and you'll be able to read and keep up with the early reviews.

Here's one that counts a big heap, only the last passage of his review intrigues me because I could infer several different things from it. I'm talking about the review of "Rise" by film critic Roger Ebert at: http://www.rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110803/REVIEWS/110809988

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Believe it or not those films did not intrest us here on Long Island and they were not Sci-Fi...Sinbad to us was just bad, but I like it for the effects, even though primitive. The hick movies like Smokey and Every which way(Eastwood)though funny at times, were deversions that did not appeal to an Apes fan in the same way. They were films, thats it, not films that got you to go to the theater 10 times in one summer. I cant convince anybody and Im not going to try, I dont like Star Wars either..John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> John M.: "Like most of you, I was their at Star wars 18 years old and the reason IMHO that moviegoers went to see it was that it was an eventless summer-not much in action..."
>
> James Bond in "The Spy Who Loved Me", The Bandit (Burt Reynolds) of "Smokey & The Bandit", the two mice heroes of Disney's "The Rescuers", Sinbad of the Harryhausen special-effects-landen "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger" and the heroes of the World War II film "A Bridge Too Far" all beg to differ about the summer of 1977 being an "eventless sumer [with] not much in action".
>

Ebert was never an Apes fan since the 70s so a three star rating out of four is OK in my book, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> Go to Google.com and in the search slot, put "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" <-- like this in quotation marks and then press enter and after the results come up, then at the top of the page, click on "News" and you'll be able to read and keep up with the early reviews.
>
> Here's one that counts a big heap, only the last passage of his review intrigues me because I could infer several different things from it. I'm talking about the review of "Rise" by film critic Roger Ebert at: http://www.rogerebert.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110803/REVIEWS/110809988
>

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Roger Ebert was never a fan of the Apes films even the original 68 classic he had his reservations. Thats good, hes a reviewer and one of the last of the better ones. Personally I (ME) never agreed much with him about anything and thats always been his style. He likes Proyas films like "Dark City and Knowing" but most critics dont. I like those films but Ebert tends to like a Director for life once he likes one of their films he seems to like all of their films, and of course you can go on and on about what a critics power is. If I remember correctly(Sure their will be someone goggleing facts)his Apes review never went beyond about 2 1/2 stars and the original about 3 stars. Now ofcourse that was 43 years ago and tastes and revisionist history changes opinions and memmories. Im going on and rambling couse I just woke up so Im alittle groggy. I assume you were their at those times and the films you mentioned, no matter how good did not pile in the young audience like Star Wars and like I said I cant stand Star Wars. It is what it is so forget about all this conjecturing, John M.
My whole point is that the public will decide if the film is worth it

Agree 1000 percent. Siskel was a much more liberal and nuanced(SP) critic and I liked him alot. His reviews would get me to see a film. Like I said in an earlier post, high brow critics from the 70s like Judith Crist in general liked what the Apes films were about and were honest about their shortcomings. She gave Conquest a very good and honest review, and her like many NY critics, were my kind of film buffs. Dont forget many film critics and many good ones did not like the Apes films even Planet68 so lets just relax and enjoy our short lived 15 minutes of fame and fun..Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> So-so. Same # of stars as "Cowboys and Aliens" and only half a star better than "Green Lantern". Don't know if that's a "thumbs up" or not.
>
> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110803/REVIEWS/110809988
>
> While we're at it, here's his review of "Project Nim":
>
> http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20110706/REVIEWS/110709994
>
>
>
> It's a thumbs up, but not a rave. Only three stars. This is disappointing, but proves what I've said for years; Gene Siskel was a better critic and I always listened to him over Ebert. Ebert really wasn't that crazy over the original back in 1968.
>
> I'm waiting to see what The New York Times says.
>

This is the most negative review I've read . But they didn't like the CG and if that doesn't work for you (like the makeup doesn't for some people, that's why they call it "campy") the game's over.

http://www.movieline.com/2011/08/review-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes.php



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:39 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] RISE New York Times Review




No sooner do I mention it, than there it is.

Mostly positive but annoyingly condescending (face it, POTA carries some baggage that's not good), even though the mainstream critics don't seem as crazy about it as I was hoping, still I'm not seeing anything negative.

It's looking good.

http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/movies/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-stars-james-franco-review.html"


I'll be seing this movie in a little over 24 hours! Counting the minutes.

I know when I write Long Island I tend to give it a precient tone. I dont mean too. I lived here since I was born 1960-present. When I say my friends and such ofcourse its just a small group but it was represenitive of the whole and I stand by that. Like I said Star Wars was very popular even though I couldnt stand it. I have a habit of including all of the persons where I lived into my life. I will tell you though that we all did have alot in common in our likes and dislikes. Thats what made thbose tinmes so "Cool" if you like. Their was a Zeitgeist that I cannot explain or will try to. It just seems people were more in tune with each other and had common likes and common dislikes. Except for Star Wars,HAHA. Daily News-5 Stars, very good news.................

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Believe it or not those films did not intrest us here on Long Island and they were not Sci-Fi...Sinbad to us was just bad, but I like it for the effects, even though primitive. The hick movies like Smokey and Every which way(Eastwood)though funny at times, were deversions that did not appeal to an Apes fan in the same way. They were films, thats it, not films that got you to go to the theater 10 times in one summer. I cant convince anybody and Im not going to try, I dont like Star Wars either..John M.
>
>
>
> I take it you grew up on Long Island in the '70s, John? I lived there in the '60s and only went to PLANET and BENEATH five times each.
>
> Don't tell me you went to LOGAN'S RUN ten times?!!!
>
> -- Rory
>

The NY times review is what you summarized it to be-OK. I think Jeff is nto sensitive or maybe not. The reviews are all over the place. The online blogger reviews I give no credence to. Though some are rather well written the newspaper and magazine reviews are the ones that carry the most weight, atleast they use to. Maybe the online bloggers should be taken more seriously since most people under 30 get their info from them-Im confused-, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Here's a nice **** star review:
>
> http://www.standard.net.au/blogs/movie-reviews/review-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/2248735.aspx
>
> And here's the worst I've read that actually comes close to calling the film s**t!
>
> http://www.tampabay.com/features/movies/did-a-chimp-write-this-screenplay/1184159
>

That is very true that the Apes carry alot of baggage-bad baggage. The TV series the childish cattering and all the infantile script going ons-Human see--blah blah, that and other diatribes till this day carries a stigma with the older crowd. Its a ball and chain that unfairly brings down anything new in Apes world and it should stop now its been half a century for Gods sake.
The new film(Digital 5 red camera, 3-D ready) should be taken on its own and enjoyed. Its a fine film and the start, if the money comes in, of a whole new series. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> No sooner do I mention it, than there it is.
>
> Mostly positive but annoyingly condescending (face it, POTA carries some baggage that's not good), even though the mainstream critics don't seem as crazy about it as I was hoping, still I'm not seeing anything negative.
>
> It's looking good.
>
> http://movies.nytimes.com/2011/08/05/movies/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-stars-james-franco-review.html"
>
>
> I'll be seing this movie in a little over 24 hours! Counting the minutes.
>

With-- Arthur Jacobs, Mort Abrahams, Rod Serling, and Jerry Goldsmith from POTA68 this viewing would of been even better, OY GEVALT!! OH and me John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> This I enjoyed watching, Oh Vey!:
>
> http://www.starpulse.com/news/Two_Jews_On_Film/2011/08/04/review_rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes_
>

OK, previously I was one of those who was seemingly a bit dismissive about comics. I don't want to get into an argument about that sort of thing here, that's for another time. Let's just say that I don't consider them childish, but have some reservations, and leave it there. Now, to be fair and to find out more about the current PotA comic universe, I want to give the Boom comics a read, to see what they're like. I've read the reviews and they do seem fairly positive, which has piqued my interest.

Now to my question. I want to know whether the publication that I've linked to on Amazon (link below) is actually a collection of the first four Boom comics wrapped up in one publication? I've checked on Google and the Boom site, but it's a bit ambiguous as to what it is. It's probably obvious, it's probably my ignorance, but I want to know what this is if I decide to buy it? If it is the four comics in one, then that'll mean that I won't have missed out on an episode, even if I'll have to wait for it for a while, which I'm fine with.

Planet of the Apes Vol. 1


Graham

Yes, that's BOOM! alright. BLIM! BLAM! BOOM!
Doesn't come out until December, though. By then "Rise" will have flopped and BOOM!'s comic will have folded and you'll be reading a dead carcass. Enjoy!


From: gort65
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 3:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] A little help with the Boom comics, please



OK, previously I was one of those who was seemingly a bit dismissive about comics. I don't want to get into an argument about that sort of thing here, that's for another time. Let's just say that I don't consider them childish, but have some reservations, and leave it there. Now, to be fair and to find out more about the current PotA comic universe, I want to give the Boom comics a read, to see what they're like. I've read the reviews and they do seem fairly positive, which has piqued my interest.

Now to my question. I want to know whether the publication that I've linked to on Amazon (link below) is actually a collection of the first four Boom comics wrapped up in one publication? I've checked on Google and the Boom site, but it's a bit ambiguous as to what it is. It's probably obvious, it's probably my ignorance, but I want to know what this is if I decide to buy it? If it is the four comics in one, then that'll mean that I won't have missed out on an episode, even if I'll have to wait for it for a while, which I'm fine with.

Planet of the Apes Vol. 1


Graham

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Yes, that's BOOM! alright. BLIM! BLAM! BOOM!
> Doesn't come out until December, though. By then "Rise" will have flopped and BOOM!'s comic will have folded and you'll be reading a dead carcass. Enjoy!
>

Oh, don't worry, dead carcasses have their uses and are sometimes yummy (eating live animals isn't a good thing for all concerned). However, what I'm asking is, does it contain the four comics that have already come out or is it something different? Probably a silly question, but I want to be sure. Thanks for the help, though.


Graham

What are Freida Pinto and Jon Stewart thinking? I believe that the word "gimmicky" is overused so often that people don't even realize what the word means. Stewart even said that he grew up a fan yet now he thinks "Yeah, ya got me on that one". What?!?!?! You would think that a guy as politically astute as him would appreciate POTA more as he got older. Yet, he still worships at the alter of Star Wars. Uh, Jon, I was also a Star Wars fan as a kid but ended up liking POTA much better as I matured.

Oxford Pocket Dictionary definition of a gimmick: a trick or device, esp. to attract publicity or trade.

Well, if Jon Chambers prosthetics, for which he received a special Academy Award, is "gimmicky" then sign me up as shallow.

I like your show Jon Stewart but here's hoping that your next trip to the zoo results in pooh being flung at you.

On Oct. 1st the NY Film Festival will be showing "Ben Hur" (Heston, Oscars, etc.) in anticipation of the blu-ray.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/08/ben-hur_at_linc.php

It looks that way. And it looks like it comes out in August.

http://comics.cosmicbooknews.com/content/get-caught-planet-apes-boom-studios-august


From: gort65
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 6:15 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: A little help with the Boom comics, please

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, that's BOOM! alright. BLIM! BLAM! BOOM!
> Doesn't come out until December, though. By then "Rise" will have flopped and BOOM!'s comic will have folded and you'll be reading a dead carcass. Enjoy!
>

Oh, don't worry, dead carcasses have their uses and are sometimes yummy (eating live animals isn't a good thing for all concerned). However, what I'm asking is, does it contain the four comics that have already come out or is it something different? Probably a silly question, but I want to be sure. Thanks for the help, though.

Graham

They really liked it!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> The review itself doesn't really say much, but it gets 5 stars, and that's nothing to sneeze at.
>
> http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/08/04/2011-08-04_rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes_review_james_franco_and_frida_pinto_star_in_best_.htmlr=entertainment/movies
>

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A web page with all the major writen newspapers and magazines and talking heads gave Rise atleast 3-5 stars depending on their rating grid, but Foxs NYPost that gave Burtons film 4 or 3 1/2 stars I forget, gives Rise 2 stars . Post is a rag and incredibly stupid when it comes to free advertisment of a very good film made by their parent company. What, were they trying not to be biased..Picked the wrong film my friends....
.Morons, John M.

Time Mag, all the L.A. papers and so many more Important reads gave the film the props it deserves, man you screwed up majorly. POST this you schmucks...

That's interesting that Mrs. Corrington's birthday is the same day "Rise" comes out. The Corringtons were the husband and wife team that wrote "Battle" and "Rise" was written by a husband and wife team.


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Jeffrey Wells is already talking like Andy Serkis is a lock for an Oscar nom. You go, Jeff!

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/08/branagh_vs_serk.php

Eric: "What are Freida Pinto and Jon Stewart thinking? I believe that the word 'gimmicky' is overused so often that people don't even realize what the word means. Stewart even said that he grew up a fan yet now he thinks 'Yeah, ya got me on that one.' What?!?!?! You would think that a guy as politically astute as him would appreciate POTA more as he got older."

Having now watched the Daily Show interview at: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-1-2011/freida-pinto , I got the distinct impression that Jon Stewart *does* appreciate POTA since he's older and wiser. What Stewart was doing was simply being empathetic in identifying with Freida Pinto who as a kid considered the "Apes" films as "too gimmicky" but she apparently hadn't even seen them in their entirety much less in consecutive sequence; she only spoke of having seen some scenes, bit and pieces. She did say that her mother was a fan of the original "Planet of the Apes" series (which for her as a kid might have been made it rather uncool).

As for John Stewart, he was certainly respectful enough of the original POTA as not to want to give away its surprise ending.


Eric: "Yet, he still worships at the altar of Star Wars. Uh, Jon, I was also a Star Wars fan as a kid but ended up liking POTA much better as I matured."

From 1977-99, the original classic "Star Wars" trilogy did eclipse my love of the original "Planet of the Apes" quintet; however, the release of the "Star Wars" prequel trilogy greatly dented my enthusiasm for the resulting "Star Wars" sextet to such an extent that it inadvertently caused me to revere all the moreso the creativity and efforts for the "Planet of the Apes" quintet because for the most part, they didn't allow budgetary constraints to diminish their creative vision.


Although I've distanced myself from potential spoilers about "Rise", what I have learned about its storyline thus far makes me think of it as an epic simian version of "Flowers For Algernon" which is fine and transcends the label of its being science fiction. Indeed, one critic has already praised "Rise" for not being so narrowly pigeon-hole-able as any one genre of film.


Eric: "Oxford Pocket Dictionary definition of a gimmick: a trick or device, esp. to attract publicity or trade. Well, if Jon Chambers' prosthetics, for which he received a special Academy Award, is 'gimmicky', then sign me up as shallow."

Freida Pinto was merely talking about a child's notion of finding the Apes films "gimmicky" because she was indeed talking about her preconception of the series when she was a kid.

Even I myself as kid -- before I'd ever seen any of the POTA film series -- prejudged the first movie merely by its title and never deemed it worth seeing on the big screen for that same reason. (My example may be an exception in one respect: I had not been exposed to any pre-release publicity about POTA.)


Eric: "I like your show, Jon Stewart, but here's hoping that your next trip to the zoo results in poo being flung at you.

Sorry to poo-poo your fanattitude, but Jon Stewart wasn't even figuratively flinging poo at "Rise for the Planet of the Apes."

Speaking of flinging poo, however, there's a great simian-themed card game called "Poo" which POTA fans should consider checking out in order to indulge in their more primitive ape sides. You can learn more about it at: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/60579/poo-the-card-game

Here's a description of the "Poo" card game: "It's been a tough day in the monkey cage and something in the food tonight wasn't quite right. In monkey world, there's only one thing that can be done about it -- fling poo! 'Poo' is a fast-paced card game for two to eight players, requiring anywhere from five to fifteen minutes to play. It's fast and furious -- something you can play while waiting in line or on lunch break. Each player takes on the role of a monkey. You fling poo and mess with each other until only one monkey is left standing. That monkey, of course, is the cleanest one. Each turn, every player gets to draw and play a card, usually either to fling poo at another player or to clean himself off. Out of turn, each player gets to play cards to defend himself or foil other players' poo flinging."

For a video review of "Poo: The Card Game", check out: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/6314/poo-the-card-game/dice-tower-reviews-poo-the-card-game

For a written review of the game, check out: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/545092/good-clean-fun

The best online game stores to consider ordering it from (this game is not available at most department and bricks-and-mortar hobby stores):

> http://www.miniaturemarket.com/inc/sdetail/694912

> http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view%20board%20games&fp=Acc-CYTPootheCardGame#Poo:%20The%20Card%20Game%20Second%20Edition

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Today is the big day! But before heading out the the movie theater, check out this week's new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY.

To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also, the fourth part of Marvel's adaptation of "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" has been added to the MARVEL ARCHIVE.

To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

Congrats Al! Ironic you hit a million on the day the film opens.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> My Rise site officially reached over a million hits today.
> Hopefully those numbers + more will reflect at the boxoffice this weekend.
>  
> graph chart attachment.
>  
> Al 
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> It looks that way. And it looks like it comes out in August.
>
> http://comics.cosmicbooknews.com/content/get-caught-planet-apes-boom-studios-august
>

The image of the publication in that link does seem to spell the answer out clearly. Off to Amazon to buy. Thanks.


Graham

Seconded on that James!
Thanks for all the hard work!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Terry Hoknes <hoknes@...> wrote:

Just wanted to say congrats and thanks James on continually working so hard at all this !

Today is the big day! But before heading out the the movie theater, check out this week's new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY.
To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.
Also, the fourth part of Marvel's adaptation of "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" has been added to the MARVEL ARCHIVE.
To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Thanks a million for your hard work, Al! : )


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My Rise site officially reached over a million hits today.
Hopefully those numbers + more will reflect at the boxoffice this weekend.

graph chart attachment.

Al

http://pd.npr.org/anon.npr-mp3/npr/fa/2011/08/20110804_fa_01.mp3?dl=1
DL link to the audio of the interview <right click save as to DL>

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

>
> http://www.npr.org/2011/08/04/138930501/serkis-playing-virtual-parts-on-the-big-screen?ft=1&f=1008
>
> Talked about Rise and Kong and all points in between.
>
> --



--
Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/ <http://www.brokensea.net/>
The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at
http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/ <http://www.brokensea.com/>
and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio
OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

The movie is here but the soundtrack by Patrick Doyle will be a while. Here's 14 minutes of music from the flick. At least "that is his assertion!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uB8ny_vSTg

I've been surrounded by Apes all morning.

A very positive review from Kenneth Turan (L.A. Times Movie Critic) on NPR as I drove to work.

http://www.npr.org/2011/08/05/139014977/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-a-special-effects-bonanza

Our local newspaper (Shreveport, Louisiana) had a cover and two-page syndicated article in the Weekend Section about RISE, including quotes by our own Rich Handley, and there was also a small story that the national chimpanzee sanctuary located here (Chimp Haven) was used by 20th Century Fox engineers to record actual chimpanzee vocalizations that were used in the movie.

There was also another very positive review in the Wall Street Journal by Joe Mergenstern.

I wasn't planning on seeing the movie tonight, but I don't think I wait until Saturday or Sunday. (Now I know how I would have felt in 1968, if I had been old enought to know!).

--Mike

https://pota.v.kassidyrae.com/values_audio_production.html"

Simply a Great AD!!!!

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I'm currently listening to a podcast of Mark Kermode's BBC Radio Five's film programme (well, his stand-ins, for he's away), which has an interview of Rupert Wyatt. Here's the link to the podcast's page. I've yet to hear it (just started listening), but thought I'd put this up as soon as possible.


Graham

PS - Maybe there are legal issues (probably), but I suppose it might be a good idea to download the MP3 of this and cut out the interview, and post it up on the site or somewhere where those outside the UK can listen to this. I'm not sure if the international audience can download those MP3s. Maybe I'm wrong.

The Dl is working here in the heat of West Texas- thanks for the link!!!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:28 AM, gort65 <gort65@...> wrote:

I'm currently listening to a podcast of Mark Kermode's BBC Radio Five's film programme (well, his stand-ins, for he's away), which has an interview of Rupert Wyatt. Here's the link to the podcast's page. I've yet to hear it (just started listening), but thought I'd put this up as soon as possible.


Graham

PS - Maybe there are legal issues (probably), but I suppose it might be a good idea to download the MP3 of this and cut out the interview, and post it up on the site or somewhere where those outside the UK can listen to this. I'm not sure if the international audience can download those MP3s. Maybe I'm wrong.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:

>
> I'm currently listening to a podcast of Mark Kermode's BBC Radio Five's
> film programme (well, his stand-ins, for he's away), which has an
> interview of Rupert Wyatt. Here's the link to the podcast's page
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode> . I've yet to hear it
> (just started listening), but thought I'd put this up as soon as
> possible.
>

Just as a helper reply. Rupert's interview starts at around the 30 minutes mark. So if you don't want to put up with waffling about non-Apes subjects, then just move to 30 minutes, and you'll be happy.

BTW, the review for the film will be next week (if it's Kermode, then it should be interesting). Today's was just an interview with Wyatt.


Graham

Thanks man!

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 12:12 PM, gort65 <gort65@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
> I'm currently listening to a podcast of Mark Kermode's BBC Radio Five's
> film programme (well, his stand-ins, for he's away), which has an
> interview of Rupert Wyatt. Here's the link to the podcast's page

> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/kermode> . I've yet to hear it

> (just started listening), but thought I'd put this up as soon as
> possible.
>

Just as a helper reply. Rupert's interview starts at around the 30 minutes mark. So if you don't want to put up with waffling about non-Apes subjects, then just move to 30 minutes, and you'll be happy.

BTW, the review for the film will be next week (if it's Kermode, then it should be interesting). Today's was just an interview with Wyatt.

Graham

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Despite the good word of mouth and reviews saying they didn't expect the movie to be this good, predictions are still giving "Rise of the POTA" the cold shoulder (except that it's almost guaranteed to be # 1 this weekend). It's expected to do "Cowboys and Aliens" level, though about half the cost and no big stars. Midnight showings did $ 1.25 million. Remains to be seen if the apes cross the bridge to a sequel.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3236&p=.htm

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

I thought this was the best film ive seen in 10 years. It is GREAT! The references were great and dont forget to stay about a minute after the credits start rolling at the End of the film. Cant say enough, wonderfull. Even the lamer parts were great. Have fun, John M.

Here's the final trailer with best wishes from the "Rise of the POTA" team.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lEAyPFFiDc

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I'm on my way to see it now and I don't care about spoilers or anything else, I'm still gonna see it. But, here's something that has been bothering me since CG was announced...has anyone tried to watch it as a movie and not as a critique of computer graphics? Almost all the reviews go into long talks about the CG and not the actual plot or anything else.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 4:35 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

I thought this was the best film ive seen in 10 years. It is GREAT! The references were great and dont forget to stay about a minute after the credits start rolling at the End of the film. Cant say enough, wonderfull. Even the lamer parts were great. Have fun, John M.

Glad you liked it so much, John. My problem is I can always imagine something better. I even imagine the original as a better movie.

-- Rory

"Prosthetic make-up is dead. After seeing what's possible in this movie, I'm sold on CGI motion capture. There's no going back now. I hope there's a sequel -- there better be -- but it's CGI from now on."

BOO to you for saying that!



Jeff

On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 3:32 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Rory: "Prosthetic make-up is dead. After seeing what's possible in this movie, I'm sold on CGI motion capture. There's no going back now. I hope there's a sequel -- there better be -- but it's CGI from now on."

On the contrary, CGI should only apply to creatures that can't be convincingly portrayed by humans with make-up.

If the apes in the next sequel are still primitive or only semi-evolved, then CGI might be justified. But CGI is not a panacea (cure-all) by any means. What's more, the classic John Chambers-created ape makeup is still convincing and passes the Test of Time.

Wow, I'm really surprised you feel that way. Without going into detail I felt it was overlong, bastardizing the original concept, basically it is Gremlins 3, young Caesar was some of the worst cgi I have ever seen, not to mention no one but Caesar aged or changed in the almost decade time span. Sloppy filmaking that reminded me of AVP Requiem...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I'm not going to go into a lengthy review at this time because I'm still playing back the film in my head and I'll probably go see it again on Sunday, and because I expect most here are going to see it this weekend and those overseas have longer to wait and there will be plenty to discuss. I am going to make a few comments though, and with no spoilers.
>
> But, I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed....
>
> Not because the movie is bad -- of course it isn't. It's very good and the best thing done with the POTA concept since the original, but dammit all to hell... it should have been a little bit better. I think the movie is being over-praised in some quarters, and in fairness what's being attempted here is very hard to pull off, I just wish Fox had had the confidense to make a longer movie. For me, it played as if it was edited down from a longer version, and there are in fact shots in the trailers and TV spots that aren't in the finished film at all!
>
> I'm going to sound like Oliver Twist, but if I have just one thing to say to Fox it is, "Please, sir, I want some more." This movie is no where near the classic that the original is, but it's good enough that I need to see it again, but it just doesn't have the wallop I was expecting and so my disappointment. For the most part the movie works, but.... well, you'll see.
>
> I'm going to leave it there for now, but I have one more thing to say...
>
> Prosthetic make-up is dead. After seeing what's possible in this movie, I'm sold on CGI motion capture. There's no going back now. I hope there's a sequel -- there better be -- but it's CGI from now on.
>
> -- Rory
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I've seen it too. More later.
Just to add I don't see how it could even be compared to the original, they are such different stories. It's basically a remake of "Conquest", though with different details. That's the only comparison.
It felt truncated to me too but that didn't bother me too much. I was surprised how gritty and interior it felt, like an independent film. I think those who see it as a crass Point A to Point B film are way off base. And I thought most of the references were pretty subtle. Nor did I have a problem with the performances. Let's face it, original Caesar went up against Breck and Kolp, talk about over the top. Even the corporate guy and Tom Felton were fine by me.
Not a perfect film (either in story or FX - specifically the ape motion without an actor reference like climbing a tree) but I loved it and I can't see how an Ape fan could not like it, especially after the Burton flick. They made it for us.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 3:32 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] I've seen it.




I'm not going to go into a lengthy review at this time because I'm still playing back the film in my head and I'll probably go see it again on Sunday, and because I expect most here are going to see it this weekend and those overseas have longer to wait and there will be plenty to discuss. I am going to make a few comments though, and with no spoilers.

But, I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed....

Not because the movie is bad -- of course it isn't. It's very good and the best thing done with the POTA concept since the original, but dammit all to hell... it should have been a little bit better. I think the movie is being over-praised in some quarters, and in fairness what's being attempted here is very hard to pull off, I just wish Fox had had the confidense to make a longer movie. For me, it played as if it was edited down from a longer version, and there are in fact shots in the trailers and TV spots that aren't in the finished film at all!

I'm going to sound like Oliver Twist, but if I have just one thing to say to Fox it is, "Please, sir, I want some more." This movie is no where near the classic that the original is, but it's good enough that I need to see it again, but it just doesn't have the wallop I was expecting and so my disappointment. For the most part the movie works, but.... well, you'll see.

I'm going to leave it there for now, but I have one more thing to say...

Prosthetic make-up is dead. After seeing what's possible in this movie, I'm sold on CGI motion capture. There's no going back now. I hope there's a sequel -- there better be -- but it's CGI from now on.

-- Rory

Jeff K: "Despite the good word of mouth and reviews saying they didn't expect the movie to be this good, predictions are still giving "Rise of the POTA" the cold shoulder (except that it's almost guaranteed to be # 1 this weekend). It's expected to do 'Cowboys and Aliens' level, though about half the cost and no big stars. Midnight showings did $ 1.25 million. Remains to be seen if the apes cross the bridge to a sequel."

> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3236&p=.htm

> http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

If "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" turns out to be a sleeper hit, then all the better because it would have surpassed box-office expectations.

What I'm gathering already is that "Rise" did something a lot more meaningful with their use of CGI than did "Cowboys And Aliens" (the latter of which I have seen and was not overly impressed by.)

For those not totally satisfied with the current state of CGI special effects, please be aware that future releases or special editions of "Rise" could feature even better, upgraded CGI effects to reinvigorate the photorealism of the film's special effects.

True the CGI is getting far to much attention, though sometimes good but still review it as a whole film. Man some slight downers here and we are the Ape fans. I met a couple of seniors about 70 years old and between my son and me going to the bathroom we had long talks about how great and wonderfull the references were to the old films but not to much to hit you over the head. They were a wonderfull couple and it was a joy to talk to former hippies. They were very positive and thought sequels to Rise were inevitable, ofcourse money will tell, but never the less they and the theater goers who were mostly in their teens to 40 got(Understood) all the old ape references and enjoyed it very much. Considering it was a 2pm showing I was surprised.
Their was no big bombastic ending sort of speak in that its a story that starts from the beggining and ends with the world blowing up-maybe,just guess. I agree that it felt edited sort of speak in the way I felt back in 72 with Conquest but not as masacerd.
The ending during the end credits were very informative for a scene that lasted 30 seconds but very good , I thought.
Money wise, well it just started. Its been out 12 give or take and we are already slightly sullen, cmon. If it fails the American public is to blame , not the filmakers. To start over after Burtons fiasco is bravado in the highest. Their were people who were still turned off with the Apes cause of Burton so if it fails we must fire bomb his house(Kidding, but people have got to seperate the two and get educated about the Apes because it can get convoluted.
Word of mouth will probably be this movies biggest allie. Even the critics who gave it great reviews in general will have less pull than the old days it seems.
Everybody relax and hope that the money comes in over the next 3 days, friend always, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Barkley <skintricks62@...> wrote:
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> I'm on my way to see it now and I don't care about spoilers or anything
> else, I'm still gonna see it. But, here's something that has been bothering
> me since CG was announced...has anyone tried to watch it as a movie and not
> as a critique of computer graphics? Almost all the reviews go into long
> talks about the CG and not the actual plot or anything else.
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...and absolutely loved it. I haven't enjoyed a film this much in years. Sure, it had some flaws, such as Pinto's character being basically pointless, but I sat there with a silly grin on my face the entire time, thinking, "Burton who?"