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Group: pota	Message: 64945	From: lawford42@juno.com	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: wishing Wells

Group: pota	Message: 64946	From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Spoilers (Again)

Group: pota	Message: 64947	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Beneath the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64948	From: p3murds	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: New Apes Movie

Group: pota	Message: 64949	From: Terry Hoknes	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

Group: pota	Message: 64950	From: Taebokitti	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

Group: pota	Message: 64951	From: James	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

Group: pota	Message: 64952	From: jamesa1102	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: The Mendez Dynasty/Marvel Archive

Group: pota	Message: 64953	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

Group: pota	Message: 64954	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

Group: pota	Message: 64955	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Beneath the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64956	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Apes Movie

Group: pota	Message: 64957	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Beneath the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64958	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: No escape from the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64959	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: No escape from the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64960	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Apes Movie

Group: pota	Message: 64961	From: Stanley, Mark	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Spoilers (Again)

Group: pota	Message: 64962	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: $19.5 Mill for APES on Friday!

Group: pota	Message: 64963	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Negative review

Group: pota	Message: 64964	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

Group: pota	Message: 64965	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

Group: pota	Message: 64966	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Glowing review

Group: pota	Message: 64967	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Make that $19.8 Mill on Friday

Group: pota	Message: 64968	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Negative review

Group: pota	Message: 64969	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Apes Movie

Group: pota	Message: 64970	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

Group: pota	Message: 64971	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Negative review

Group: pota	Message: 64972	From: Benjamin Jarrell	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

Group: pota	Message: 64973	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Apes through older eyes..

Group: pota	Message: 64974	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

Group: pota	Message: 64975	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

Group: pota	Message: 64976	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

Group: pota	Message: 64977	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

Group: pota	Message: 64978	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: (OT) Sands of the Kalahari

Group: pota	Message: 64979	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Roger's review "Rises"

Group: pota	Message: 64980	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: This is news?

Group: pota	Message: 64981	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: OT: sweet "Agony"!

Group: pota	Message: 64982	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: (OT) Sands of the Kalahari

Group: pota	Message: 64983	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: I've seen it twice now.

Group: pota	Message: 64984	From: p3murds	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: SHAME ON ME

Group: pota	Message: 64985	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Conquest of the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64986	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

Group: pota	Message: 64987	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Very good movie! :-)

Group: pota	Message: 64988	From: john surphlis	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it twice now.

Group: pota	Message: 64989	From: James	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

Group: pota	Message: 64990	From: jamesa1102	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: My review of Rise of the POTA

Group: pota	Message: 64991	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Battle for the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64992	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: "Conquest" begat "Rise"

Group: pota	Message: 64993	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

Group: pota	Message: 64994	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conquest of the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 64995	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: My review of Rise of the POTA

Group: pota	Message: 64996	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Big RISE complaint

Group: pota	Message: 64997	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

Group: pota	Message: 64998	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

Group: pota	Message: 64999	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

Group: pota	Message: 65000	From: jamesa1102	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

Group: pota	Message: 65001	From: stenosaurus@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

Group: pota	Message: 65002	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

Group: pota	Message: 65003	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conquest of the box office of the apes

Group: pota	Message: 65004	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

Group: pota	Message: 65005	From: Stuart Drucker	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

Group: pota	Message: 65006	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

Group: pota	Message: 65007	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

Group: pota	Message: 65008	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

Group: pota	Message: 65009	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Hey, Hey, It's the Monkeys

Group: pota	Message: 65010	From: John B Kirtley	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

Group: pota	Message: 65011	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: 'Apes' swings to top spot

Group: pota	Message: 65012	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: box office of the apes2001/2011

Group: pota	Message: 65013	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: RISE of the Male Audience

Group: pota	Message: 65014	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: My review of Rise of the POTA

Group: pota	Message: 65015	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Interesting comment

Group: pota	Message: 65016	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

Group: pota	Message: 65017	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

Group: pota	Message: 65018	From: Jeff Barkley	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

Group: pota	Message: 65019	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: RISE of the Male Audience

Group: pota	Message: 65020	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting comment

Group: pota	Message: 65021	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: 'Apes' swings to top spot

Group: pota	Message: 65022	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives [1 Attachment]

Group: pota	Message: 65023	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE MILD SPO

Group: pota	Message: 65024	From: lawford42@juno.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

Group: pota	Message: 65025	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Shouldn't Hulu.com re-organize the Apes cartoon episodes?

Group: pota	Message: 65026	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: 'Apes' swings to top spot

Group: pota	Message: 65027	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE MILD

Group: pota	Message: 65028	From: Terry Hoknes	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

Group: pota	Message: 65029	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting comment

Group: pota	Message: 65030	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

Group: pota	Message: 65031	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

Group: pota	Message: 65032	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE MILD

Group: pota	Message: 65033	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

Group: pota	Message: 65034	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN"

Group: pota	Message: 65035	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

Group: pota	Message: 65036	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN"

Group: pota	Message: 65037	From: shrstrategygames	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN" OT

Group: pota	Message: 65038	From: shrstrategygames	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Pre-Review Comments about "Rise" (For Those Who've Already Seen It)

Group: pota	Message: 65039	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: This Week in Movie History (OT)

Group: pota	Message: 65040	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

Group: pota	Message: 65041	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting comment

Group: pota	Message: 65042	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Pre-Review Comments about "Rise" (For Those Who've Already Seen

Group: pota	Message: 65043	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

Group: pota	Message: 65044	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

Group: pota	Message: 64945	From: lawford42@juno.com	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Re: wishing Wells

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The hyperbole police called.

They said one more crack like that, and they're coming to take you to Exaggerationtraz.

Chris L.

"Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>>Jeffrey Wells is already talking like Andy Serkis is a lock for an

Oscar nom. You go, Jeff! <<
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Group: pota	Message: 64946	From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com	Date: 8/5/2011
Subject: Spoilers (Again)

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Please refrain from discussions that are specific about the film. It just opened in the US today and not everyone has had the chance to see it yet. It doesn't open in the UK for another week.

Any more posts that discuss specifics about the film will be deleted. Thank you.

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Group: pota	Message: 64947	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Beneath the box office of the apes

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"Rise of the POTA" looks to be beating projections. Originally presumed to be looking at a $36 million weekend (in the U.S.) it's been upgraded to about $ 40 million based on the estimated $ 15 million for Friday. Things could be even better if it picks up on Sat. and Sun. I think marketing did a disservice to the film (even though I loved watching the trailers and stuff) selling the more traditional stuff like action and fear of science. Many of the reviews I read said they weren't expecting much from the trailers and were surprised by how good the movie was. If the public at large gets a change of viewpoint from word of mouth or reviews maybe things will improve more.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

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Group: pota	Message: 64948	From: p3murds	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: New Apes Movie

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Man,..I have been so excited to see this movie, and was planning to do so on the opening day of it but my wife who had to work said she wanted to see it with me. So,..I didn't get to see it. My weekend is on Thurs, and Fri,..so maybe after work tomorrow, we can go see it togethr?

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Group: pota	Message: 64949	From: Terry Hoknes	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

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It was amazing. I loved every minute of it !

My heart was pumping and I was so excited to see what they could achieve and bring back our series after so long.

Why criticize it? Let's be happy for a day and enjoy that we have a new movie, new publicity, a new audience!!

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Group: pota	Message: 64950	From: Taebokitti	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

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I enjoyed this movie, the apes were so realistic. The theater was almost packed and I loved the age range of people. There were young kids and senior citizens there. Apes do have a wide fan base. Elaine

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas <Haristas@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2011 11:39 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: I've seen it.

I've seen it too. More later.
Just to add I don't see how it could even be compared to the original, they are such different stories. It's basically a remake of "Conquest", though with different details. That's the only comparison.
It felt truncated to me too but that didn't bother me too much. I was surprised how gritty and interior it felt, like an independent film. I think those who see it as a crass Point A to Point B film are way off base. And I thought most of the references were pretty subtle. Nor did I have a problem with the performances. Let's face it, original Caesar went up against Breck and Kolp, talk about over the top. Even the corporate guy and Tom Felton were fine by me.
Not a perfect film (either in story or FX - specifically the ape motion without an actor reference like climbing a tree) but I loved it and I can't see how an Ape fan could not like it, especially after the Burton flick. They made it for us.

Well, I'm going to go see it again, probably tomorrow night (Saturday) because I want to see it in a packed theatre. There was a good crowd for the first showing (1:30 P.M.) at the multiplex in the small town I live near, but it wasn't packed.

I'd love to be in a major city right now.

I agree about Tom Felton. He was fine, but I would have appreciated some back story as to what he had against apes.

Truncated -- that's the word. Maybe we'll get a longer version on DVD and Blu-ray. One thing though, this really does a good job as a setup for a bigger, and hopefully better, sequel. The story possibilities are almost endless.

Anyway, as I write this, I hope theatres across the planet showing RISE are packed.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64951	From: James	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

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FYI

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

What your favorite Planet of the Apes movie says about you
By Meredith Woerner
With the seventh addition to the Planet of the Apes franchise around the corner, it's time to take a minute and revisit the original Apes films. Which one is your favorite? And what does that reveal about your personality?
io9

'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' triumphs with the critics
Los Angeles Times
"Rise of the Planet of the Apes," almost lost in the stampede of huge summer blockbusters, probably would not have appeared on anyone's list of most-anticipated films two weeks ago. But all of a sudden, the little-monkey-movie-that-could is emerging ...
See all stories on this topic »

Storyboarding The Apes
Fast Company
As a storyboard artist for 25 years, Tim Burgard has painstakingly sketched the first images of "Thor," "Green Lantern," and now "Rise of the Planet of the Apes." In 20th Century Fox's Rise of the Planet of the Apes, opening Friday, moviegoers get a ...
See all stories on this topic »

Fast Company

How new "Planet of the Apes" was made
CBS News
The new "Planet of the Apes," which hits theaters tomorrow, is a combination of computer technology and a dose of movie magic. It depicts an animal uprising, an army of apes battling humans in present-day San Francisco. The big action came with a big ...
See all stories on this topic »

Parallel Universe on MSN: History of 'Planet of the Apes'
Before the 'Rise,' we look at how the 'Planet of the Apes' franchise dominated the film landscape. Find the latest geeky stuff related to comic books, ...
movies.msn.com/paralleluniverse/history-of...of.../feature/

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Group: pota	Message: 64952	From: jamesa1102	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: The Mendez Dynasty/Marvel Archive

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Thanks guys. I'm just glad everyone is enjoying The Mendez Dynasty.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
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> Seconded on that James!
> Thanks for all the hard work!
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> On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 6:10 AM, Terry Hoknes hoknes@... wrote:
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> > **
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> >
> > Just wanted to say congrats and thanks James on continually working so
> > hard at all this !
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: pota	Message: 64953	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

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It was amazing. I loved every minute of it !

My heart was pumping and I was so excited to see what they could achieve and bring back our series after so long.

Why criticize it? Let's be happy for a day and enjoy that we have a new movie, new publicity, a new audience!!

I totally agree. I separate my own reaction to it from what I hope it does at the boxoffice. I'm glad some truly believe it's amazing and brilliant and awesome, and I still believe there's a possibility of a huge hit.

So, I'm throwing confetti all weekend.

Meanwhile, I have to start getting into this "Conspiracy" thing.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64954	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

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I enjoyed this movie, the apes were so realistic. The theater was almost packed and I loved the age range of people. There were young kids and senior citizens there. Apes do have a wide fan base. Elaine

You see, a broad audience. This gets me excited.

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Group: pota	Message: 64955	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Beneath the box office of the apes

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"Rise of the POTA" looks to be beating projections. Originally presumed to be looking at a $36 million weekend (in the U.S.) it's been upgraded to about $ 40 million based on the estimated $ 15 million for Friday. Things could be even better if it picks up on Sat. and Sun. I think marketing did a disservice to the film (even though I loved watching the trailers and stuff) selling the more traditional stuff like action and fear of science. Many of the reviews I read said they weren't expecting much from the trailers and were surprised by how good the movie was. If the public at large gets a change of viewpoint from word of mouth or reviews maybe things will improve more.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

I do think Fox has under-sold the picture, and I think $40 Million is conservative. Realistically, $60 Million is a strong possibility, but I'm still hoping for much more. If it were in 3-D it would be more, but that wouldn't mean more people are seeing it.

I wonder how it's doing in India? Are all of Freida Pinto's relatives going to it?

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Group: pota	Message: 64956	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Apes Movie

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I'm on the same train as you. :o)

Haven't seen it yet but will today. Had to work last night.

But the best part of all is that I'm on a one week vacation starting today!

SWEET!

From: p3murds <p3murds@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 1:16 AM
Subject: [pota] New Apes Movie

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Group: pota	Message: 64957	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Beneath the box office of the apes

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Speaking of BENEATH as in your topic. I have the footage of the Bleeding Lawgiver that was sold on the "Hollywood Treasures" episode from a few weeks ago.

I'll capture it on video and show it too everyone this weekend. Right now I'm getting ready for RISE! :o)

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 12:35 AM
Subject: [pota] Beneath the box office of the apes

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Group: pota	Message: 64958	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: No escape from the box office of the apes

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Now predictions have leapt to $ 50 million for the weekend and "Rise"ing. Will it beat the $ 68 million Burton did?

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

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Group: pota	Message: 64959	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: No escape from the box office of the apes

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Not that I told you so but word of mouth is going to keep Rise Rising. The critics and all the talking heads were all in general loving(or at least liking) this film but that Burton stigma is a hurdle that was much higher and harder to master. I hope it is word of mouth not because I said so but because those are the films that are kicks in the tucas to the naysayers and the misinthropes and eventually hold a special place in filmgoers hearts and minds. It would be wonderfull if it could beat Burtons film but that film had so much anticipation that even if everyone coming out of the theaters said "please dont go in" people would still go in out of curiosity and the 30 year lapse in Going Ape. Thats what happened, it wasnt the quality of the film. Ill never forget Zanuck saying what a perfect match Burton and Apes was and that this apes movie was not a political film and had no message whatsoever. Where did his memory go in those 3 decades. Please break 400 million world wide and start a new Ape revolution..John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Now predictions have leapt to $ 50 million for the weekend and "Rise"ing. Will it beat the $ 68 million Burton did?
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/
>

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Group: pota	Message: 64960	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Apes Movie

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I'm on the same train as you. :o)

Haven't seen it yet but will today. Had to work last night.

But the best part of all is that I'm on a one week vacation starting today!

SWEET!

Al

Oh, good, then Al can go to every showing in Miami and help push it over the $100 Million mark. Go ape, Al!

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Group: pota	Message: 64961	From: Stanley, Mark	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Spoilers (Again)

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I’m assuming this is a general notice? I haven’t posted anything at all recently.

From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of pota-owner@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 8:48 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Spoilers (Again)

Please refrain from discussions that are specific about the film. It just opened in the US today and not everyone has had the chance to see it yet. It doesn't open in the UK for another week.

Any more posts that discuss specifics about the film will be deleted. Thank you.

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Group: pota	Message: 64962	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: $19.5 Mill for APES on Friday!

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Now, this is what I'm talking about! I think this movie is going to do at least $60 Mill easy this weekend, but let's keep our fingers crossed it's much more.

http://www.studiobriefing.net/2011/08/critics-go-ape-over-latest-planet/

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Group: pota	Message: 64963	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Negative review

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A largely negative review (no spoilers), but I thought an interesting one sum here and at the POTADG might agree with.

What about you, James? Why nothing from you yet?

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/movies/index.ssf/2011/08/rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes_review_fine_effects_arent_enough.html"

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Group: pota	Message: 64964	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

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I agree. The movie could have and should been longer. Also, the bad guys could have been badder....and a little more developed.

But.....I still loved it!!

Hail Caesar!!

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 6:32 PM
Subject: [pota] I've seen it.

I'm not going to go into a lengthy review at this time because I'm still playing back the film in my head and I'll probably go see it again on Sunday, and because I expect most here are going to see it this weekend and those overseas have longer to wait and there will be plenty to discuss. I am going to make a few comments though, and with no spoilers.

But, I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed....

Not because the movie is bad -- of course it isn't. It's very good and the best thing done with the POTA concept since the original, but dammit all to hell... it should have been a little bit better. I think the movie is being over-praised in some quarters, and in fairness what's being attempted here is very hard to pull off, I just wish Fox had had the confidense to make a longer movie. For me, it played as if it was edited down from a longer version, and there are in fact shots in the trailers and TV spots that aren't in the finished film at all!

I'm going to sound like Oliver Twist, but if I have just one thing to say to Fox it is, "Please, sir, I want some more." This movie is no where near the classic that the original is, but it's good enough that I need to see it again, but it just doesn't have the wallop I was expecting and so my disappointment. For the most part the movie works, but.... well, you'll see.

I'm going to leave it there for now, but I have one more thing to say...

Prosthetic make-up is dead. After seeing what's possible in this movie, I'm sold on CGI motion capture. There's no going back now. I hope there's a sequel -- there better be -- but it's CGI from now on.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64965	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

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How? It's not supposed to be out for another week. Did I miss something?

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:43 PM
Subject: [pota] Conspiracy arrives

Nearly forgot about it because of the opening of RISE, but "Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes" arrived at my doorstep while I was out seeing RISE, and a very nice book it looks. I'm quite impressed and hopefully I'll feel the same way when I read its story. I'm looking forward to it.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64966	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Glowing review

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Perhaps too glowing, but I liked it. No spoilers.

http://www.fearnet.com/news/reviews/b23402_movie_review_rise_of_planet_of_apes.html"

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Group: pota	Message: 64967	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Make that $19.8 Mill on Friday

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http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/06/friday-box-office-rise-of-the-planet-apes-change-up-smurfs/

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Group: pota	Message: 64968	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Negative review

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I can see some of what he was saying....not as bad as I thought it would be. I was more perturbed with Christy Lemire's review. Though she didn't think it was a bad film, she used terms like "ridiculous" and "laugh out loud". I guess there were moments that made me smile but I didn't see this movie as comical. But what does she know....she's an Ebert disciple. Siskel, as mentioned before, was much better. IMHO

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 12:49 PM
Subject: [pota] Negative review

A largely negative review (no spoilers), but I thought an interesting one sum here and at the POTADG might agree with.

What about you, James? Why nothing from you yet?

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/movies/index.ssf/2011/08/rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes_review_fine_effects_arent_enough.html"

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Group: pota	Message: 64969	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: New Apes Movie

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lol

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 10:34 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: New Apes Movie

I'm on the same train as you. :o)

Haven't seen it yet but will today. Had to work last night.

But the best part of all is that I'm on a one week vacation starting today!

SWEET!

Al

Oh, good, then Al can go to every showing in Miami and help push it over the $100 Million mark. Go ape, Al!

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Group: pota	Message: 64970	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

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Mr. Strategy Games:

I believe you to be wrong in your assessment concerning Jon Stewart's comments. I just watched the interview again and he was clearly disrespecting the original series. He says that it IS a bit gimmicky and claims that he WAS a fan growing up and now thinks, "Yeah, ya got me on that one." You need to both watch the interview again and read my comments more carefully. I never said anything about "Rise" and therefore never claimed that Stewart was "figuratively flinging pooh" at the new movie....just the original series.

Now, I think we need to talk about the word "gimmick" or "gimmicky". It certainly appears to be a matter of opinion as to what is a gimmick or not. It seems to me that anything that can be used to sell a product can be termed a "gimmick". If a clown is used to sell children's toothpaste, most would consider that a gimmick yet an attractive adult or a phony dentist selling toothpaste would likely not be considered such by most people even though you could certainly argue the opposite. Personally, I see "gimmick" or "gimmicky" to be akin to false advertising. Another definition I found on "gimmick": a trivial or unnecessary innovation added to enhance appeal. When it comes to POTA, the apes, their culture, and their close genetic relationship to humans are integral....hence the title. Therefore, I disagree with Jon Stewart and personally do not see Planet of the Apes as "gimmicky".

From: shrstrategygames <shrstrategygames@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:12 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

Eric: "What are Freida Pinto and Jon Stewart thinking? I believe that the word 'gimmicky' is overused so often that people don't even realize what the word means. Stewart even said that he grew up a fan yet now he thinks 'Yeah, ya got me on that one.' What?!?!?! You would think that a guy as politically astute as him would appreciate POTA more as he got older."

Having now watched the Daily Show interview at: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-1-2011/freida-pinto , I got the distinct impression that Jon Stewart *does* appreciate POTA since he's older and wiser. What Stewart was doing was simply being empathetic in identifying with Freida Pinto who as a kid considered the "Apes" films as "too gimmicky" but she apparently hadn't even seen them in their entirety much less in consecutive sequence; she only spoke of having seen some scenes, bit and pieces. She did say that her mother was a fan of the original "Planet of the Apes" series (which for her as a kid might have been made it rather uncool).

As for John Stewart, he was certainly respectful enough of the original POTA as not to want to give away its surprise ending.

Eric: "Yet, he still worships at the altar of Star Wars. Uh, Jon, I was also a Star Wars fan as a kid but ended up liking POTA much better as I matured."

From 1977-99, the original classic "Star Wars" trilogy did eclipse my love of the original "Planet of the Apes" quintet; however, the release of the "Star Wars" prequel trilogy greatly dented my enthusiasm for the resulting "Star Wars" sextet to such an extent that it inadvertently caused me to revere all the moreso the creativity and efforts for the "Planet of the Apes" quintet because for the most part, they didn't allow budgetary constraints to diminish their creative vision.

Although I've distanced myself from potential spoilers about "Rise", what I have learned about its storyline thus far makes me think of it as an epic simian version of "Flowers For Algernon" which is fine and transcends the label of its being science fiction. Indeed, one critic has already praised "Rise" for not being so narrowly pigeon-hole-able as any one genre of film.

Eric: "Oxford Pocket Dictionary definition of a gimmick: a trick or device, esp. to attract publicity or trade. Well, if Jon Chambers' prosthetics, for which he received a special Academy Award, is 'gimmicky', then sign me up as shallow."

Freida Pinto was merely talking about a child's notion of finding the Apes films "gimmicky" because she was indeed talking about her preconception of the series when she was a kid.

Even I myself as kid -- before I'd ever seen any of the POTA film series -- prejudged the first movie merely by its title and never deemed it worth seeing on the big screen for that same reason. (My example may be an exception in one respect: I had not been exposed to any pre-release publicity about POTA.)

Eric: "I like your show, Jon Stewart, but here's hoping that your next trip to the zoo results in poo being flung at you.

Sorry to poo-poo your fanattitude, but Jon Stewart wasn't even figuratively flinging poo at "Rise for the Planet of the Apes."

Speaking of flinging poo, however, there's a great simian-themed card game called "Poo" which POTA fans should consider checking out in order to indulge in their more primitive ape sides. You can learn more about it at: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/60579/poo-the-card-game

Here's a description of the "Poo" card game: "It's been a tough day in the monkey cage and something in the food tonight wasn't quite right. In monkey world, there's only one thing that can be done about it -- fling poo! 'Poo' is a fast-paced card game for two to eight players, requiring anywhere from five to fifteen minutes to play. It's fast and furious -- something you can play while waiting in line or on lunch break. Each player takes on the role of a monkey. You fling poo and mess with each other until only one monkey is left standing. That monkey, of course, is the cleanest one. Each turn, every player gets to draw and play a card, usually either to fling poo at another player or to clean himself off. Out of turn, each player gets to play cards to defend himself or foil other players' poo flinging."

For a video review of "Poo: The Card Game", check out: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/video/6314/poo-the-card-game/dice-tower-reviews-poo-the-card-game

For a written review of the game, check out: http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/545092/good-clean-fun

The best online game stores to consider ordering it from (this game is not available at most department and bricks-and-mortar hobby stores):

> http://www.miniaturemarket.com/inc/sdetail/694912

> http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view%20board%20games&fp=Acc-CYTPootheCardGame#Poo:%20The%20Card%20Game%20Second%20Edition

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Group: pota	Message: 64971	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Negative review

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Its a different film altogether. Its not about pissed off astronauts on a strange planet and then all hell breaks loose. This is a film on how it all started. Please its apples and oranges...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> A largely negative review (no spoilers), but I thought an interesting one sum here and at the POTADG might agree with.
>
> What about you, James? Why nothing from you yet?
>
> http://www.nj.com/entertainment/movies/index.ssf/2011/08/rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes_review_fine_effects_arent_enough.html"
>

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Group: pota	Message: 64972	From: Benjamin Jarrell	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it.

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I saw it last night too and I loved it. I actually thought the first two acts were kind of sad. It really makes you root for Caesar in the third act. I did feel a little disappointed when it ended. Even my wife, who typically doesn't like watching movies, loved it, going so far as to complain that it ended too soon. I was wondering why so many scenes we saw in the trailers weren't included. Let's hope we get an extended version when it is released on DVD/Blu-Ray.

There was a broad/varied audience packing the theater. I agree that Apes appeals to lots of people.

Ben

(wearing my "Chimpin' Ain't Easy" t-shirt today)

On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:

I agree. The movie could have and should been longer. Also, the bad guys could have been badder....and a little more developed.

But.....I still loved it!!

Hail Caesar!!

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 6:32 PM

Subject: [pota] I've seen it.

I'm not going to go into a lengthy review at this time because I'm still playing back the film in my head and I'll probably go see it again on Sunday, and because I expect most here are going to see it this weekend and those overseas have longer to wait and there will be plenty to discuss. I am going to make a few comments though, and with no spoilers.

But, I have to admit, I was a bit disappointed....

Not because the movie is bad -- of course it isn't. It's very good and the best thing done with the POTA concept since the original, but dammit all to hell... it should have been a little bit better. I think the movie is being over-praised in some quarters, and in fairness what's being attempted here is very hard to pull off, I just wish Fox had had the confidense to make a longer movie. For me, it played as if it was edited down from a longer version, and there are in fact shots in the trailers and TV spots that aren't in the finished film at all!

I'm going to sound like Oliver Twist, but if I have just one thing to say to Fox it is, "Please, sir, I want some more." This movie is no where near the classic that the original is, but it's good enough that I need to see it again, but it just doesn't have the wallop I was expecting and so my disappointment. For the most part the movie works, but.... well, you'll see.

I'm going to leave it there for now, but I have one more thing to say...

Prosthetic make-up is dead. After seeing what's possible in this movie, I'm sold on CGI motion capture. There's no going back now. I hope there's a sequel -- there better be -- but it's CGI from now on.

-- Rory

--
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benjamin@...
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Group: pota	Message: 64973	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Apes through older eyes..

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I could just imagine how most of us would have condemed the Apes films if we were 40-50 years old back in the 60s. I doubt very much their would be all this love. Its not the Apes fault though its human biology. 9-14 years olds are the very impressionable years and they stick with us. My point is look at this film for what it is with its faults and finer points. Alot of what is written here is true but taken way to seriously. The original Apes sequels would of got hammered by most of us if we saw them later in life than when we did. Maybe not though, some elements are still great and the audience was never played down to or thought bof as children as a whole. They were one of the few series that appeals on different levels to all ages.
If this series can go on because they are making money, I wonder what the last Apes film will be like with maybe astronauts and fully civilized SPOILER:NY APES AS INDICATED AT THE END OF RISE. COOL STUFF MIGHT BE ON THE WAY!!!.....................JOHN M.

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Group: pota	Message: 64974	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

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I called PLANET a "gimmick" movie over twenty years ago in an article I wrote for a home video magazine.

Any movie that has major cast members in elaborate makeups is a gimmick picture. THE WIZARD OF OZ is a gimmick movie. Anything 3-D, from HOUSE OF WAX to AVATAR is a gimmick. The original KING KONG is a gimmick picture -- a puppet is the star!

Calling APES a gimmick picture is really nothing to get upset about.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:34 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

Mr. Strategy Games:

From: shrstrategygames <shrstrategygames@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 3:12 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA is "Gimmicky"??????

> http://www.miniaturemarket.com/inc/sdetail/694912

> http://www.coolstuffinc.com/main_boardGame.php?viewType=view%20board%20games&fp=Acc-CYTPootheCardGame#Poo:%20The%20Card%20Game%20Second%20Edition

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Group: pota	Message: 64975	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

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CONSPIRACY is available in stores right now... I bought it at Barnes and
Noble where it was available in house-no need to special order it...

In a message dated 8/6/2011 2:31:14 PM Central Daylight Time,
ursuszaiuscaesar@... writes:

> How? It's not supposed to be out for another week. Did I miss something?
>
>
>
> From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 5, 2011 7:43 PM
> Subject: [pota] Conspiracy arrives
>
>
> Nearly forgot about it because of the opening of RISE, but "Conspiracy of
> the Planet of the Apes" arrived at my doorstep while I was out seeing RISE,
> and a very nice book it looks. I'm quite impressed and hopefully I'll
> feel the same way when I read its story. I'm looking forward to it.
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: pota	Message: 64976	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

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I haven't seen it yet so I'm not critiquing it here but here's a few
possible reasons people might critisize it...

1) Not all APES fans are like a large majority of ST and SW fans where they
see everything with those names on it and automatically see it as "good" or
"great"... Just like there are TREK fans that only like the original
series, there are APES fans that only like the original films (and possibly the TV
series)...

2) I'd guess that a lot of fans felt burned after the pota2001 film was
released... A lot of them anticipated it and were highly disappointed with the
end product and they don't want to be burned again...

3) People may not like that digital technology overtook the classic
make-ups... I've read many things saying "No classic make-up=Not POTA"...

In a message dated 8/6/2011 5:34:18 AM Central Daylight Time,
hoknes@... writes:

> Why criticize it? Let's be happy for a day and enjoy that we have a
> new movie, new publicity, a new audience!!

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Group: pota	Message: 64977	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Saw Rise, ---

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Then "those fans" are missing out on a good movie.

From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:22 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Saw Rise, ---

I haven't seen it yet so I'm not critiquing it here but here's a few
possible reasons people might critisize it...

1) Not all APES fans are like a large majority of ST and SW fans where they
see everything with those names on it and automatically see it as "good" or
"great"... Just like there are TREK fans that only like the original
series, there are APES fans that only like the original films (and possibly the TV
series)...

2) I'd guess that a lot of fans felt burned after the pota2001 film was
released... A lot of them anticipated it and were highly disappointed with the
end product and they don't want to be burned again...

3) People may not like that digital technology overtook the classic
make-ups... I've read many things saying "No classic make-up=Not POTA"...

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Group: pota	Message: 64978	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: (OT) Sands of the Kalahari

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I just want to remind everyone on this APES weekend of a really good '60s film now on video, 1965's SANDS OF THE KALAHARI. It has many elements very POTAish, vast desert and instead of apes, bloody baboons. I highly recommend it.

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews54/sands_of_the_kalahari_blu-ray.htm

You can order it from Amazon and it's on both DVD and Blu-ray.

http://www.amazon.com/Sands-Kalahari-Stanley-Baker/dp/B004YCKIWU/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1312664733&sr=1-1

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Group: pota	Message: 64979	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: Roger's review "Rises"

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It must erk him that a film that he gave a negative review

to went on to become an iconic classic engrained into

pop culture. He may want to think of it as cult camp,

but cult camp is his Beyond the Valley of the Dolls.

In a message dated 8/4/2011 10:11:03 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

It's a thumbs up, but not a rave. Only three stars. This is disappointing, but proves what I've said for years; Gene Siskel was a better critic and I always listened to him over Ebert. Ebert really wasn't that crazy over the original back in 1968.

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Group: pota	Message: 64980	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: This is news?

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FX is adding another No. 1 summer opener to its movie lineup. The cable network has bought the exclusive TV rights to this weekend's new entry, Fox's Rise Of The Planet of The Apes, which is exceeding expectations and is now on track to gross $50 million.

Oh, so after it's on PPV, DVD and Blu-ray for months, FX will have exclusive TV rights. Big deal.

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Group: pota	Message: 64981	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: OT: sweet "Agony"!

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Here's Jerry Goldsmith's music for "The Agony and the Ecstasy". The film has a certain relevance this weekend, "no"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vliz5sl9GA

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Group: pota	Message: 64982	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: Re: (OT) Sands of the Kalahari

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Yeah, Good Film, John M...Thanks

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I just want to remind everyone on this APES weekend of a really good '60s film now on video, 1965's SANDS OF THE KALAHARI. It has many elements very POTAish, vast desert and instead of apes, bloody baboons. I highly recommend it.
>
> http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews54/sands_of_the_kalahari_blu-ray.htm
>
> You can order it from Amazon and it's on both DVD and Blu-ray.
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Sands-Kalahari-Stanley-Baker/dp/B004YCKIWU/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1312664733&sr=1-1
>

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Group: pota	Message: 64983	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/6/2011
Subject: I've seen it twice now.

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I went to RISE again tonight, and guess what?

I actually liked it better the second time. I thought I might be bored, but I wasn't. All the expectations were gone and I just enjoyed what there was.

Now, I'm looking forward to the Blu-ray.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64984	From: p3murds	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: SHAME ON ME

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Could someone please tell me the proper order of the movies as far as timeline? Not the order they came out. Thanks! (It has been a while since I have been in the site)

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Group: pota	Message: 64985	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Conquest of the box office of the apes

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"Rise" made an estimated $ 19.2 million on Saturday so it's looking like a $ 53 million weekend unless things get even better on Sunday. Fox's other big summer movie "X-Men: First Class" opened to a $ 55 million weekend and wound up making $348 million worldwide. Hopefully "Rise" will have better legs than that.
Anyway, it did better than expected and definitely got better reviews than expected so let's see if they can fight like apes and keep surprising.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

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Group: pota	Message: 64986	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "p3murds" <p3murds@...> wrote:

>
> Could someone please tell me the proper order of the movies as far as timeline? Not the order they came out. Thanks! (It has been a while since I have been in the site)
>

Escape FTPOTA 1973
Conquest OTPOTA 1991
Battle FTPOTA 2670-Flashback app. 2020
Planet OTA 3978 or corrected date 3955
Beneath TPOTA 3955.
Take care , John M.

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Group: pota	Message: 64987	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Very good movie! :-)

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I'm so glad they made this prequel. As I want to abide by the anti-spoiler advisory, I simply say that it exceeded my hopes and expectations considerably. Character development and special effects are rare combinations these days. Hopefully moviegoers will continue to reward those who made this fabulous film :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 64988	From: john surphlis	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: I've seen it twice now.

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is this our earth or another earth, look like they are saying it's the humans fault the apes took over the planet

To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: Haristas@...
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 22:27:54 -0400
Subject: [pota] I've seen it twice now.

I went to RISE again tonight, and guess what?

I actually liked it better the second time. I thought I might be bored, but I wasn't. All the expectations were gone and I just enjoyed what there was.

Now, I'm looking forward to the Blu-ray.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64989	From: James	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

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FYI

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

Box office update: 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes' thrashes expectations ...
Entertainment Weekly
by Grady Smith Audiences went ape for Rise of the Planet of the Apes at the box office on Friday, pushing the film into the top spot by a wide margin. According to estimates, Rise earned a terrific $19.8 million on opening day, and if it can keep up ...
See all stories on this topic »

Rise of the Planet of the Apes: How Andy Serkis brought a rebellious chimp to life
Daily Mail
But many people who watch the just released summer blockbuster Rise of the Planet of the Apes will not even know he is there. His performance was recorded by computers and then an animated figure was placed over him on the finished film. ...
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Group: pota	Message: 64990	From: jamesa1102	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: My review of Rise of the POTA

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I saw it. I liked it. End of review.

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Group: pota	Message: 64991	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Battle for the box office of the apes

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Now "Rise" is expected to tie "X-Men: First Class" with $ 55 million this weekend (Neither had the bump of 3D prices). Though "X-Men" cost $ 160 million and Fox insists "Rise" cost about $ 95 million. We'll see what Sunday brings.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

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Group: pota	Message: 64992	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: "Conquest" begat "Rise"

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"Rise" is a pleasant surprise to so many. So I think it's time to put things in perspective for those who see it as an anomaly, considering it carries the name of those tacky, campy "Ape" movies. And that goes for the fundamentalist "Ape" fans who see it as a mutant created in Fox's laboratory that defiles the purity of the originals. The same things I love about "Rise" are what made me a fan of the originals and why I've stuck with them. Franco and Pinto are Lewis and Stevie. Caesar2011 goes through the same basic identity crisis as Caesar1972. "Rise" adheres strictly to the POTA playbook, especially that of "Escape" and "Conquest". Yes of course it has an incredible budget in comparison, and state of the art FX. But the story of a new breed of ape, nurtured by kindly humans and then seeing the dark side of mankind and leading a revolution has been familiar to "Ape" fans for 40 years. As well as the humanity in the storytelling.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing. Good stories deserve to be retold (if they are retold well). Just sayin' that the things people think are unique to "Rise" storywise are part of POTA's DNA. So it kind of sticks in my craw when Fox's official party line is that "Rise" is "the first live-action film in the history of movies to star, and be told from the point of view of, a sentient animal". What about "Conquest"? And the reviewer that said it's "more "Charly" than Heston". No, it's "Conquest". "Rise" substitutes science for slavery and perhaps makes it more relevant (since we've never really had apes as slaves, though the originals were commenting on human slavery and oppression through the centuries). I think people are responding because we don't seem to get the science fiction of ideas anymore. People are quick to knock the "Apes" sequels but they forget how good "Escape" and "Conquest" were. One good benefit of "Rise" is people who've never seen the originals wanting to check them out. Thanks to "Rise", I've already been able to show the originals to newbies and they've enjoyed them. "Rise" spotlights the power of the POTA concept that we knew was there but others might have resisted because of the central monkey idea or the budgets or the makeup or whatever. It makes POTA "now" while keeping the important thing, the story, and I think that's a good thing.

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Group: pota	Message: 64993	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

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Could someone please tell me the proper order of the movies as far as timeline? Not the order they came out. Thanks! (It has been a while since I have been in the site)
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Escape FTPOTA 1973
Conquest OTPOTA 1991
Battle FTPOTA 2670-Flashback app. 2020
Planet OTA 3978 or corrected date 3955
Beneath TPOTA 3955.
Take care , John M.

I believe the timeline of the "APES Saga," if it must be regarded as such, is exactly the order of the film's release dates. In order for there to be a Cornelius and Zira in ESCAPE they had to be born in the time before the events of PLANET. In other words, there had to be an original -- point of origin -- timeline.

Now with RISE the order of the APES timeline is, RISE, PLANET, BENEATH, ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE. You can add the TV series after BATTLE or leave it out. You can most definitely leave out the Burton debacle.

Does the continuity of RISE exactly match that of the rest of the franchise? No, but I don't care.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 64994	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conquest of the box office of the apes

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"Rise" made an estimated $ 19.2 million on Saturday so it's looking like a $ 53 million weekend unless things get even better on Sunday. Fox's other big summer movie "X-Men: First Class" opened to a $ 55 million weekend and wound up making $348 million worldwide. Hopefully "Rise" will have better legs than that.
Anyway, it did better than expected and definitely got better reviews than expected so let's see if they can fight like apes and keep surprising.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/rise-of-planet-of-apes-1-25m-midnights/

I'm disappointed. I was hoping for over $20 Mill on Saturday. If the weekend ends up only being in the $53 Mill range, then RISE only made half of what I was hoping. I really thought there was a good chance it might do close to $100 Mill, which was based on the excellent word-of-mouth the movie had, but main stream critics have been harder on the film. I think that's hurt. Maybe the early buzz was "mere illusion."

But I think RISE is going to have better legs than the Burton debacle.

Anyone got the figures on how fast the Burton bebacle dropped after it's debut?

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Group: pota	Message: 64995	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: My review of Rise of the POTA

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I saw it. I liked it. End of review.

Where and when did you see it? Was the theatre packed or what?

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Group: pota	Message: 64996	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Big RISE complaint

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I forgot to mention this last night, and hopefully this isn't considered a spoiler, but....

Last night I noticed during the end credits -- and this is the first APES movie with no main credits -- that there was no credit for Pierre Boulle, no credit that the film was even suggested by his novel.

As far as I'm concerned that just isn't right.

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Group: pota	Message: 64997	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

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Ed Gross ("POTA Revisited") spoke to director Rupert Wyatt last weekend about "Rise" and his ideas for what happens next (think "Full Metal Jacket" in Iraq).

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=43720

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Group: pota	Message: 64998	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

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My biggest complaint about the credits is they start them and then do another scene, so people stop as they are walking out and watch. Either show it before the credits or after (as the Marvel flicks do) when most people have left. As it is it causes a traffic jam.
Those who haven't seen it yet, stay in your seats.

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:23 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Big RISE complaint

I forgot to mention this last night, and hopefully this isn't considered a spoiler, but....

Last night I noticed during the end credits -- and this is the first APES movie with no main credits -- that there was no credit for Pierre Boulle, no credit that the film was even suggested by his novel.

As far as I'm concerned that just isn't right.

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Group: pota	Message: 64999	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

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I won't get into spoilers but as it stands now, I don't think "Rise" conflicts with continuity. It depends where they go with it.

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:08 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: SHAME ON ME

Could someone please tell me the proper order of the movies as far as timeline? Not the order they came out. Thanks! (It has been a while since I have been in the site)

>

Escape FTPOTA 1973
Conquest OTPOTA 1991
Battle FTPOTA 2670-Flashback app. 2020
Planet OTA 3978 or corrected date 3955
Beneath TPOTA 3955.
Take care , John M.

I believe the timeline of the "APES Saga," if it must be regarded as such, is exactly the order of the film's release dates. In order for there to be a Cornelius and Zira in ESCAPE they had to be born in the time before the events of PLANET. In other words, there had to be an original -- point of origin -- timeline.

Now with RISE the order of the APES timeline is, RISE, PLANET, BENEATH, ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE. You can add the TV series after BATTLE or leave it out. You can most definitely leave out the Burton debacle.

Does the continuity of RISE exactly match that of the rest of the franchise? No, but I don't care.

-- Rory

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Group: pota	Message: 65000	From: jamesa1102	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

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Isn't that Dr. Zaius' attitude when his beliefs are disproven by the facts ;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> Does the continuity of RISE exactly match that of the rest of the franchise? No, but I don't care.
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Group: pota	Message: 65001	From: stenosaurus@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

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The book is already on Barnes & Noble Bookstore shelves.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Conspiracy arrives

How? It's not supposed to be out for another week. Did I miss something?

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Group: pota	Message: 65002	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: SHAME ON ME

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Isn't that Dr. Zaius' attitude when his beliefs are disproven by the facts ;-)

That would depend on who's facts are indeed facts!

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Group: pota	Message: 65003	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conquest of the box office of the apes

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All I remember with Burtons Apes was that each weekend it dropped in half until it dissapeared. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

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> I'm disappointed. I was hoping for over $20 Mill on Saturday. If the weekend ends up only being in the $53 Mill range, then RISE only made half of what I was hoping. I really thought there was a good chance it might do close to $100 Mill, which was based on the excellent word-of-mouth the movie had, but main stream critics have been harder on the film. I think that's hurt. Maybe the early buzz was "mere illusion."
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> But I think RISE is going to have better legs than the Burton debacle.
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> Anyone got the figures on how fast the Burton bebacle dropped after it's debut?
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Group: pota	Message: 65004	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

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Ed Gross ("POTA Revisited") spoke to director Rupert Wyatt last weekend about "Rise" and his ideas for what happens next (think "Full Metal Jacket" in Iraq).

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=43720

I think the quote to pay attention to is, "There's so much we can do."

The possibities are almost endless. Let's hope they wisely consider the path to take.

The next movie will have to not only be bigger, but truly better.

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Group: pota	Message: 65005	From: Stuart Drucker	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

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I ordered from Amazon yesterday--looking forward to reading it tomorrow thanks to local express.

Stuart

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:57 AM, stenosaurus@... wrote:

The book is already on Barnes & Noble Bookstore shelves.

Bruce

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Group: pota	Message: 65006	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

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Basically it sounds like the next one will be to "Battle" what this one was to "Conquest". They are still using the films as models.

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:27 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

I think the quote to pay attention to is, "There's so much we can do."

The possibities are almost endless. Let's hope they wisely consider the path to take.

The next movie will have to not only be bigger, but truly better.

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Group: pota	Message: 65007	From: Eric Payton	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

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I called my local B&N and they had it as well. I got some of it read and like it thus far.

From: "mlccougar@..." <mlccougar@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2011 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Conspiracy arrives

CONSPIRACY is available in stores right now... I bought it at Barnes and
Noble where it was available in house-no need to special order it...

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Group: pota	Message: 65008	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

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To me Rupert Wyatt is an incredible Directer, this being his second film and Rise being his first big film. He did a fantastic job with what he had to work with, showed that he cares for the Ape series, knows how to be a directer that can bring pathos and action to a single film and he can cammand a set and knows what he wants to do-he has a vision- and he understands todays technology and is another of those British Directers that has the brains and wherewithall to tell a good story no matter how complicated or convoluted(he had alot to control in this film) and being a novice , sort of speak, he pulled it off. He should be commended for such a great sophmore turn at bat. Very Good Rupert, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> I think the quote to pay attention to is, "There's so much we can do."
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> The possibities are almost endless. Let's hope they wisely consider the path to take.
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> The next movie will have to not only be bigger, but truly better.
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Group: pota	Message: 65009	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Hey, Hey, It's the Monkeys

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"When groundbreaking technology services a really great story, that's a really strong combination," noted Chris Aronson, executive VP of distribution for Fox.

http://www.thewrap.com/movies/article/hey-hey-its-monkeys-apes-rise-big-54m-weekend-box-office-29856

Boy, COWBOYS & ALIENS is sure a major disaster. I can't believe they spent $163 Million making that.

Even though RISE hasn't yet performed better that the Burton debacle in its opening, one thing is evident... I remember a critic very unwisely saying back in 2001, "Fox has their franchise back."

Well, now they do.

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Group: pota	Message: 65010	From: John B Kirtley	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

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I've noticed something else during the last few months build up to Rise and the remake of Fright Night.
Two of Roddy's most iconic roles, Caesar and Peter Vincent, have a lot of respect within sci-fi and Movie fandom in general.
Both Andy Serkis and David Tennant have spoke of their respect for Roddy and Colin Farrel says he must have watched Fright Night 10 or 15 times when he was a teenager. It's great to see the interest in POTA hit the mainstream again and the reviews I've read seem to be very good compared to what I was expecting, and compared to other movies that had much higher expectations. But:
A: Feel like I've seen the movie already with the amount of trailers
B: Expected more articles on the original series
C: No merchandise? (Toy makers probably all got burned by POTA 2001)
D: No books or even updates of books?
Have a good weekend. I hope to see the movie this week sometime
John

From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:16 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: >SPOILERS< Rupert Wyatt on the sequel

To me Rupert Wyatt is an incredible Directer, this being his second film and Rise being his first big film. He did a fantastic job with what he had to work with, showed that he cares for the Ape series, knows how to be a directer that can bring pathos and action to a single film and he can cammand a set and knows what he wants to do-he has a vision- and he understands todays technology and is another of those British Directers that has the brains and wherewithall to tell a good story no matter how complicated or convoluted(he had alot to control in this film) and being a novice , sort of speak, he pulled it off. He should be commended for such a great sophmore turn at bat. Very Good Rupert, John M.

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Group: pota	Message: 65011	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: 'Apes' swings to top spot

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/08/box-office-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-the-change-up.html"

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Group: pota	Message: 65012	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: box office of the apes2001/2011

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The final estimate for "Rise" this weekend is $ 54 million (final numbers tomorrow).

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3240&p=.htm

Didn't quite pass "X-Men" as Fox's best summer opening ($ 55 million). Both films were iffy prequels acclaimed by critics and fans, so good for Fox. It's just too bad the box office wasn't up to some the bigger (and I'd say inferior) films this summer, though 3D prices messed things up a bit. I'd also say Fox was a bit cheap on traditional advertising. I didn't see any billboards or bus ads. This morning my local paper had big ads for "Cowboys and Aliens", "The Smurfs" and "The Change-Up" but nothing for "Apes". Instead Fox emphasized the internet.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3237&p=.htm

Sometimes hype goes overboard but I think if there isn't any I think some people dismiss it as, "Well, that's not really a top movie". But I don't know if a change of marketing would have helped the box office. There's still the rest of it's run, plus foreign. The U.S. hasn't really been Santa Claus for the big movies, it's been the rest of the world (so don't blame us for "Pirates 5" or "Transformers: The Reboot").

Obviously "Rise" did not pass POTA2001's opening for whatever reason. But that was a big deal opening and made the records. It opened to $ 68.5 million ($ 96.5 million today adjusted for inflation) and grossed $ 180 m. in the U.S. ($ 253 m. today), $ 362 million worldwide.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=planetoftheapes01.htm

The drop was steep though, about 60% the second week :

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=planetoftheapes01.htm

"Rise" has a lot of goodwill going for it, so I think it's one of those franchises that will continue. Those who miss out will see it on DVD and presumably be on board for a sequel.
Overall, a great weekend for POTA.

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Group: pota	Message: 65013	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: RISE of the Male Audience

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Interesting figures here. RISE was big with the over 50 male crowd -- MY CROWD!

Fox made RISE for me!!!!!

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/07/box-office-report-rise-planet-of-the-apes-change-up-smurfs/?iid=rcfooter-movies-%27apes%27+take+over+at+no.+1%3A+%26%2336%3B54m

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Group: pota	Message: 65014	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: My review of Rise of the POTA

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That's the kind of review I want to see before I actually view the movie...which won't be for another week or so.

Jess.

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:19 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

I saw it. I liked it. End of review.

Where and when did you see it? Was the theatre packed or what?

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Group: pota	Message: 65015	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Interesting comment

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Reagen Sulewski of boxofficeprophets.com says that the movie origins-story premise was a long time coming.

"Between the 1968 original … multiple sequels, TV series and spinoffs of the Planet of the Apes world, something that has never really been explored is exactly what led up to the ape domination of the Earth," he says. "It's almost an unforgivable oversight."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2011-08-07-box-office-Aug-8_n.htm

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Group: pota	Message: 65016	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

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Just saw it again today. Yeah, major traffic jam as people stop to watch. lol

They should have let the scene play out THEN start the credits with the animation. But regardless it's a great movie.

Loved it even more the second time around.

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Big RISE complaint

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Group: pota	Message: 65017	From: jessica rotich	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM, <stenosaurus@...> wrote:

The book is already on Barnes & Noble Bookstore shelves.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Conspiracy arrives

How? It's not supposed to be out for another week. Did I miss something?

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Group: pota	Message: 65018	From: Jeff Barkley	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

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I think you are mistaken. I recall seeing a credit for Pierre Boulle for "ideas based on Planet of the Apes (La Planete de Singes) by Pierre Boulle"

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what I remember seeing.

Jeff

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:23 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

I forgot to mention this last night, and hopefully this isn't considered a spoiler, but....

Last night I noticed during the end credits -- and this is the first APES movie with no main credits -- that there was no credit for Pierre Boulle, no credit that the film was even suggested by his novel.

As far as I'm concerned that just isn't right.

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Group: pota	Message: 65019	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: RISE of the Male Audience

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

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> Interesting figures here. RISE was big with the over 50 male crowd -- MY CROWD!
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> Fox made RISE for me!!!!! AND ME, JOHN M.
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Group: pota	Message: 65020	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting comment

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What are they talking about? "Escape" and "Conquest" did. There's a lot of people blabbing on about POTA and don't have a clue. Including me. I guess that's the internet.

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:08 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Interesting comment

Reagen Sulewski of boxofficeprophets.com says that the movie origins-story premise was a long time coming.
"Between the 1968 original … multiple sequels, TV series and spinoffs of the Planet of the Apes world, something that has never really been explored is exactly what led up to the ape domination of the Earth," he says. "It's almost an unforgivable oversight."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2011-08-07-box-office-Aug-8_n.htm

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Group: pota	Message: 65021	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: 'Apes' swings to top spot

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I'm going to go see it again and beef up the opening weekend box office. That's $ 54 million + $ 8! : )

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 10:54 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] 'Apes' swings to top spot

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2011/08/box-office-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-the-change-up.html"

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Group: pota	Message: 65022	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Conspiracy arrives [1 Attachment]

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Great picture, Jess!

From: jessica rotich
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 11:05 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Conspiracy arrives [1 Attachment]

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On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 8:57 AM, <stenosaurus@...> wrote:

The book is already on Barnes & Noble Bookstore shelves.

Bruce

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2011 3:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Conspiracy arrives

How? It's not supposed to be out for another week. Did I miss something?

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Group: pota	Message: 65023	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE MILD SPO

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In the interest of facilitating our bringing potentially new fans up to speed so that they can more fully enjoy and comprehend the cleverness of Rise and hopefully see fit to encourage still more converts to embrace Ape-mania, I ask about tributes to previous movies included in Rise.

ALERT: Rise-related POSSIBLE MILD SPOILERS ahead:

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Rise makes some refreshing tributes to the Apes movies of previous decades, which are almost sure to give a rise to loyal fans of the Apes franchise. Some such tributes are listed in an appropriate section at Wikipedia's synopsis of the movie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Planet_of_the_Apes#Tributes_to_the_original_movies

Perhaps there are others still missing from that interesting and informative page which a free registration enables you to polish up so that we fans can keep better track of the refreshing list? Awareness of it helps us explain to potentially new fans subtle nuances which we may have picked up on but which would not be obvious to the newly converted. Still other nuances were touched upon so subtly that even we may have missed them. Enjoy! :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 65024	From: lawford42@juno.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

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Green Lanter had an opening weekend total of $53.1 million. Rise has an estimated $54 million. So, yes, another Green Lantern.

The dropoff percentage next weekend will determine whether or not there's a sequel. Fox- by no means- "has their franchise back".

Chris L.

"Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:

>>Another GREEN LANTERN?!!!!

Dude, what planet are you living on? Aren't you paying attention? <<

I wrote:

>>Wow. Well done Ron. If there has to be CGI apes, I'd much rather

see the
completed version of this story that what's going to be in theaters
shortly. Which for all the hype and TV spot saturation, could turn out to
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Group: pota	Message: 65025	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Shouldn't Hulu.com re-organize the Apes cartoon episodes?

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Shouldn't Hulu.com properly order the Apes cartoon episodes?

Here's a list of the episodes, with guides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Return_to_the_Planet_of_the_Apes_episodes

In contrast, Hulu still seems to be listing them according to air dates:

http://www.hulu.com/return-to-the-planet-of-the-apes

This is confusing and a possible turn-off to potential fans, especially their kids.

If someone feels up to trying to get them to right this apparent wrong, here's Hulu's contact data:

Hulu, LLC
Hulu LLC
12312 W. Olympic Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90064
US
Phone: +1.3105714700
Email: huludomains@...

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Group: pota	Message: 65026	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: 'Apes' swings to top spot

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LOL!!!

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] 'Apes' swings to top spot

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Group: pota	Message: 65027	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE MILD

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A follow-up is located way below:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> In the interest of facilitating our bringing potentially new fans up to speed so that they can more fully enjoy and comprehend the cleverness of Rise and hopefully see fit to encourage still more converts to embrace Ape-mania, I ask about tributes to previous movies included in Rise.
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Fellow simian sympathizers:
Wiki's editors have since deleted the abovementioned section, entirely. It said the following (which I had lovingly compiled). Perhaps we might want to compile our own independent list to help folks better avoid letting potential fans feel like the movie lacks appeal for those who aren't already converts?

"Tributes to the original movies"
In addition to the movie's refreshing reference to the spaceship Icarus, on which Charlton Heston's crew traveled to the Planet of the Apes in the 1968 version, Rise of the Planet of the Apes also pays tribute to the original movies in 'other' ways. Tom Felton's character is named "Dodge Landon," which happen to be the last names of Heston's Colonel George Taylor's 2 male crewmates. Felton also recites one of the most memorable quotes of the previous movies, which emerged not only in the 1968 version but also in that of 2001 (albeit in paraphrased form). Meanwhile, Rise also includes brief television footage depicting Charlton Heston. Additionally, one of the apes in Rise is named Cornellia, which would appear to be a play on the name Cornelius, the prominent and remarkably influential male champanzee scientist of the original movies whose offspring was also named Caesar. Last but perhaps not least, Caesar's first spoken word in Rise also had a great deal of prominence in the third, fourth and fifth movies released during the 1970's. It remains unclear if future sequels may address part of humanity's move underground as protection from nuclear fallout on the planet's surface, a scenario which substantially influenced the second and fifth films 4 decades ago."

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Group: pota	Message: 65028	From: Terry Hoknes	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Big RISE complaint

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I could be mistaken but didn't they give reference to Pierre Boulle right at the start of the film !!??? maybe im thinking of Burton's film ?

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Group: pota	Message: 65029	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting comment

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What are they talking about? "Escape" and "Conquest" did.

No they didn't. Nothing in APES before, not even Boulle's novel explained how apes jumped millions of years of evolution in a few thousands.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Interesting comment

What are they talking about? "Escape" and "Conquest" did. There's a lot of people blabbing on about POTA and don't have a clue. Including me. I guess that's the internet.

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Group: pota	Message: 65030	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

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Green Lanter had an opening weekend total of $53.1 million. Rise has an estimated $54 million. So, yes, another Green Lantern.

The dropoff percentage next weekend will determine whether or not there's a sequel. Fox- by no means- "has their franchise back".

Chris L.

I completely disagree.

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Group: pota	Message: 65031	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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I just saw one posting member's interesting comparison of Rise to Green Lantern, revenue-wise. As a response I'd like to mention that G.L. cost $200 million to produce:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=greenlantern.htm

Rise cost $93 million.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

Domestic revenues for both may ultimately be comparable at $114 million. But Rise will perform better overseas than Green Lantern did. POTA 2001 made slightly more abroad than domestically despite the comparative lack of Rise's astute international casting:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=planetoftheapes01.htm

POTA 2001 had a Japanese gorilla who fought (and lost to) Attar at the end, but other than that? Rise, on the other hand...

Anyhow, Fox apparently gets to keep much of the profits from this movie, as theaters apparently make money selling concessions. How those percentages work out is beyond my realm of knowledge. But I'm glad that WETA kept its fees at an affordable rate. The actors seem to have, as well.

If there's a sequel, perhaps it should be called War for the Planet of the Apes? Thanks to WETA, the possibilities are so much better than a mere battle. We may ultimately even get to see Pierre Boulle's sophisticated vision of simian society as depicted in Monkey Planet (the precursor to the 1968 movie). Thanks WETA! :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 65032	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE MILD

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You guys forgot about the gorilla.

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From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 6:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise's tributes to the previous movies? (ALERT: POSSIBLE *MILD* SPOILER)

A follow-up is located way below:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> In the interest of facilitating our bringing potentially new fans up to speed so that they can more fully enjoy and comprehend the cleverness of Rise and hopefully see fit to encourage still more converts to embrace Ape-mania, I ask about tributes to previous movies included in Rise.
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rise_of_the_Planet_of_the_Apes#Tributes_to_the_original_movies
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> Perhaps there are others still missing from that interesting and informative page which a free registration enables you to polish up so that we fans can keep better track of the refreshing list? Awareness of it helps us explain to potentially new fans subtle nuances which we may have picked up on but which would not be obvious to the newly converted. Still other nuances were touched upon so subtly that even we may have missed them. Enjoy! :-)
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Fellow simian sympathizers:
Wiki's editors have since deleted the abovementioned section, entirely. It said the following (which I had lovingly compiled). Perhaps we might want to compile our own independent list to help folks better avoid letting potential fans feel like the movie lacks appeal for those who aren't already converts?

"Tributes to the original movies"
In addition to the movie's refreshing reference to the spaceship Icarus, on which Charlton Heston's crew traveled to the Planet of the Apes in the 1968 version, Rise of the Planet of the Apes also pays tribute to the original movies in 'other' ways. Tom Felton's character is named "Dodge Landon," which happen to be the last names of Heston's Colonel George Taylor's 2 male crewmates. Felton also recites one of the most memorable quotes of the previous movies, which emerged not only in the 1968 version but also in that of 2001 (albeit in paraphrased form). Meanwhile, Rise also includes brief television footage depicting Charlton Heston. Additionally, one of the apes in Rise is named Cornellia, which would appear to be a play on the name Cornelius, the prominent and remarkably influential male champanzee scientist of the original movies whose offspring was also named Caesar. Last but perhaps not least, Caesar's first spoken word in Rise also had a great deal of promine nce in the third, fourth and fifth movies released during the 1970's. It remains unclear if future sequels may address part of humanity's move underground as protection from nuclear fallout on the planet's surface, a scenario which substantially influenced the second and fifth films 4 decades ago."

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Group: pota	Message: 65033	From: JohnM conquest-idor	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

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UUU< the Green Latern cost 200 million dollars, Apes 90-95. Please in perpspective. Thats more like Latern making about 10 million over its 3 day weeekend if you compare cost..Long Live Apes...John M. Take Care.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
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> Green Lanter had an opening weekend total of $53.1 million. Rise has an
> estimated $54 million. So, yes, another Green Lantern.
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> a sequel. Fox- by no means- "has their franchise back".
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Group: pota	Message: 65034	From: Jeff K.	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN"

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"Rise" was not nearly as expensive, marketed or awaited as "Green Lantern". More importantly, "Rise" is much more liked than "Green Lantern".
"Green Lantern" fell from a tremendous height. POTA is rising from a lower expectation level.

From: lawford42@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 2:02 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"

Green Lanter had an opening weekend total of $53.1 million. Rise has an estimated $54 million. So, yes, another Green Lantern.

The dropoff percentage next weekend will determine whether or not there's a sequel. Fox- by no means- "has their franchise back".

Chris L.

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Group: pota	Message: 65035	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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You also have to remember that this is the first movie from the Chernin Entertainment company, who really produced the movie with financing from Fox. Chernin will want to do a sequel -- AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

GREEN LANTERN got such bad reviews and word of mouth, I don't think there will be a sequel.

Don't expect another APES film for at least three years, though.

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From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 7:31 pm
Subject: [pota] costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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Group: pota	Message: 65036	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN"

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Interesting. And very true.

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN"

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Group: pota	Message: 65037	From: shrstrategygames	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE GREEN LANTERN" OT

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Jeff K: "'Rise' was not nearly as expensive, marketed or awaited as 'Green Lantern'. More importantly, 'Rise' is much more liked than 'Green Lantern'. 'Green Lantern' fell from a tremendous height. POTA is rising from a lower expectation level."

The problem with "Green Lantern" was the casting of Ryan Reynolds in the role of the Green Lantern. Reason: Ryan Reynolds pretty much came across as playing another variation of a more typical snarky Ryan Reynolds role/character he'd played before.

"The Green Lantern" really needed a new face, perhaps even an unknown, who as the Green Lantern wouldn't be perceived as just playing a variation of previous roles he'd played.

If they really had to have Ryan Reynolds in the role of "The Green Lantern", then they should have rewitten the Green Lantern character to be much diffrent from and less predictably evocative of Reynolds' previous snarky roles/characters.

Yes, I still feel this way even even though I know that they're going forward with a "Green Lantern" sequel with Reynolds continuing in the role of the Green Lantern.

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Group: pota	Message: 65038	From: shrstrategygames	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Pre-Review Comments about "Rise" (For Those Who've Already Seen It)

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Although I won't be revealing any particular plot-point spoiler details from "Rise of the Planet of the Apes," I'm going ahead and posting some SPOILER SPACE below just the same. By way of advisory, I intend what I write below to be read by those who have already seen the movie.

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I'm so glad that I kept my expectations in check and maintained a guardedly cautious outlook for "Rise of the Planet of the Apes."

Did "Rise" in my opinion earn the mantel of being a possible reboot of the "Planet of the Apes" film series?

Yes, it did, *however,* in doing so, "Rise" also offers the possibility of a more measuredly paced and longer journey to get us to the eventual "Planet of the Apes" of the first movie. Indeed, I could envision an entire trilogy of films (including "Rise as its first chapter) set during the period envisioned by "Rise" covering overall a 25- to 50-year period (starting from the point of the capture of "Bright Eyes"). I'm inclined to want to call the trilogy "How The Planet of the Apes Was Won".

The forthcoming events suggested by the ending of "Rise" offer the potential for other storylines, including ones evocatively reminiscent but perhaps not too derivative of both "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" and "Battle for the Planet of the Apes. After all, among the pockets of humanity that survive the consequences of the dire event implied by the ending of "Rise", human labor would presumably be in such short supply that recapturing the apes might be necessary for other than the most immediate overriding reason: Humanity's survival. For in order to hopefully arrest the dire effect on humans of the dire event portended by Rise's ending, a surviving Dr. Rodman might very well need to seek out Caesar and get some ape blood samples in order to determine what it was that made apes' systems more readily adaptable to the trial cures for Alzheimer's. GenSys would naturally prevail upon the government that the survival of the those apes was absolutely mandatory for the hope of human survival as well.

I don't know whether the director and/or the screenwriters of "Rise" have a master vision already proposed for a new "Planet of the Apes" film series; however, if one or more of them does, then they do have some interesting storyline options to weigh, including how paced and measured a course they might take to finally get to the full-fledged "Planet of the Apes".

In either case, I hope somebody among them has such a master vision and that he/she/they is/are committed to bringing it to the silver screen in the years to come, only next time in 3-D -- not because I expect "Comin' At Ya" 3-D but because 3-D is becoming the new industry standard not only for theaters but also for television as well.

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Group: pota	Message: 65039	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: This Week in Movie History (OT)

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What a coincidence!

http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/08/06/the-omega-man-movie-history/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+InsideMovies+%28Moviefone%3A+Inside-Movies%29

Discovered while reading this:

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,2087260,00.html"

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Group: pota	Message: 65040	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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I don't know whether or not there will be a sequel, but three years? Way to
keep the momentum going...

They made RISE in a relatively short time, you'd think they could do the
same for a sequel unless they truly would be going bigger and better...

In a message dated 8/7/2011 6:51:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> Chernin will want to do a sequel -- AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!
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Group: pota	Message: 65041	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Interesting comment

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What gets me is how people criticize the 2 (of the(s) in the RISE title. Yet CONQUEST has the same 2 (of the(s) and is the closest to RISE.

That's one POTA Classic nod people missed out on. Although I'm sure it wasn't done purposely but just ended up that way. :o)

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Interesting comment

What are they talking about? "Escape" and "Conquest" did. There's a lot of people blabbing on about POTA and don't have a clue. Including me. I guess that's the internet.

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Group: pota	Message: 65042	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: Pre-Review Comments about "Rise" (For Those Who've Already Seen

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Say NO to 3-D films... They're a passing fad anyway...

In a message dated 8/7/2011 6:52:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
shrstrategygames@... writes:

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> In either case, I hope somebody among them has such a master vision and
> that he/she/they is/are committed to bringing it to the silver screen in the
> years to come, only next time in 3-D -- not because I expect "Comin' At Ya"
> 3-D but because 3-D is becoming the new industry standard not only for
> theaters but also for television as well.
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Group: pota	Message: 65043	From: Alex Ruiz	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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I'd give it 2 years. 2013

From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 7, 2011 7:44 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

GREEN LANTERN got such bad reviews and word of mouth, I don't think there will be a sequel.

Don't expect another APES film for at least three years, though.

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Group: pota	Message: 65044	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 8/7/2011
Subject: Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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I say three years because I would hope they have the brains to tale their time and develop a good script, better than that for RISE. If they don't, the sequel could be another ridiculous Burton fiasco.

They've got to remember that POTA is social commentary, and the primitive but rapidly evolving Apes would most likely have racial and social matters to work out. That's where a good sequel lies.

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From: mlccougar <mlccougar@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 7, 2011 7:57 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern

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