True. The prices at theaters and the home mismash that you have to go though and the perfect vision you must have make it a royal pain in the a**. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> Say NO to 3-D films... They're a passing fad anyway...
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:

>
>
> POTA 2001 had a Japanese gorilla who fought (and lost to) Attar at the end, but other than that? Rise, on the other hand...
>

I might have misunderstood you, but PotA2001 also had Tim Roth playing Thade, Helena Bonham Carter playing Ari, and David Warner playing Sandar, all who are English actors. Two of those even spoke with a British English accent. ;)


Graham

As you know, Rod Serling co-wrote the script for a 1968 thriller called Planet of the Apes, along with McCarthyism-blacklisted author Michael Wilson. Did you know before today that they're planning to make a movie about Rod Serling's life?

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/picture-if-you-will-a-movie-about-rod-serling/

Incidentally, that article doesn't mention another one of Rod's youthful jobs: a funeral home employee.

"Rise" was financed by Fox, Dune Entertainment (kinda cool to have their logo on the film since Jacobs was the first producer to try to film the classic "Dune" novel) and some company called Ingenious. That's what I call spreading it around.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 4:44 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern




You also have to remember that this is the first movie from the Chernin Entertainment company, who really produced the movie with financing from Fox. Chernin will want to do a sequel -- AND IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN!

GREEN LANTERN got such bad reviews and word of mouth, I don't think there will be a sequel.

Don't expect another APES film for at least three years, though.

Your points about masked British actors in the 2001 POTA movie are well taken. But the cast of Rise still seems more global. We have a main character from India, and another who is an ethnic minority that could pass for African (although Jacobs is portrayed by someone who is apparently British, even though by his accent I had guessed African...based in part on the potential strategic significance of ties to a continent that provided the company with at least most of its apes). Meanwhile, Rise also has a Brit who happens to be the son of the late Richard Harris, and who tended the apes' cages along with another star who seems to hail from a different place entirely: the Harry Potter Universe.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > POTA 2001 had a Japanese gorilla who fought (and lost to) Attar at the end, but other than that? Rise, on the other hand...
> >
>
> I might have misunderstood you, but PotA2001 also had Tim Roth playing Thade, Helena Bonham Carter playing Ari, and David Warner playing Sandar, all who are English actors. Two of those even spoke with a British English accent. ;)
>
>
> Graham
>

I hope "Rise" # 3 or 4 comes out in 2018 for the 50th anniversary. Rise # 2 would be cool in 2013 for the 50th of Boulle's novel, too. # 2 would probably be more urban based so that would fit with Boulle's novel.


From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 4:55 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern



I don't know whether or not there will be a sequel, but three years? Way to
keep the momentum going...

They made RISE in a relatively short time, you'd think they could do the
same for a sequel unless they truly would be going bigger and better...

If they nail a good script early they could do it in 2 years. Often time is wasted on bad scripts. Then they could get it out in time for the Boulle anniversary, take a couple years to stretch and do something else, and return for # 3, release it in 2018 for the 50th. Unless the world ends in 2012.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 5:04 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern




I say three years because I would hope they have the brains to tale their time and develop a good script, better than that for RISE. If they don't, the sequel could be another ridiculous Burton fiasco.

They've got to remember that POTA is social commentary, and the primitive but rapidly evolving Apes would most likely have racial and social matters to work out. That's where a good sequel lies.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:

>
> Your points about masked British actors in the 2001 POTA movie are well taken. But the cast of Rise still seems more global. We have a main character from India, and another who is an ethnic minority that could pass for African (although Jacobs is portrayed by someone who is apparently British, even though by his accent I had guessed African...based in part on the potential strategic significance of ties to a continent that provided the company with at least most of its apes). Meanwhile, Rise also has a Brit who happens to be the son of the late Richard Harris, and who tended the apes' cages along with another star who seems to hail from a different place entirely: the Harry Potter Universe.
>

Yes, but the actors who played Thade, Ari and Krull had a large amount of screen time each, more so than Pinto's character (particularly the first two). Add the others you mention from Rise, and all three that I mentioned above from PotA2001 would have had more minutes. Also, if you want an Indian actor in PotA2001, then look no further than the one who played Ari's slave/servant (Erick Avari). Also you can count Deep Roy as being a Kenyan Indian. OK, he played really minor roles (Thade's niece and that gorilla boy chastised by Ari for throwing stones), so I won't count him unless we have a tie. Freda Foh Shen, who played Bon, another servant in Ari's house, doesn't seem to have details about where she was born, but from what info I can get, she might well be born in the US. Estella Warren is Canadian... but I'm really scraping the barrel now. ;)

BTW, Jacobs in Rise had a British accent. I'm from southern England, so that accent is fairly local. ;)


Graham

mlccougar: "Say NO to 3-D films... They're a passing fad anyway."

John Mermigas: "True. The prices at theaters and the home mismash that you have to go though and the perfect vision you must have make it a royal pain in the a**."

Reality Check: 3-D *is* the future for cinemas, home theaters and TVs. 3-D TV is already a reality.

In the works now for future re-release in 3-D versions are James Cameron's "Titanic" (1997) and both "Star Wars" trilogies as well.

What does Green Lantern have to do with a Planet of the Apes Fan Film?
I would greatly appreciate my thread stay on topic, I have nothing against the discussion going on, but it dosent have anything to do With My Fan Film "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES", So I respectfully ask that Green Lantern be disscused in it's own thread, or a thread that has to do with the the Release of "RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"


Thank You

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> UUU< the Green Latern cost 200 million dollars, Apes 90-95. Please in perpspective. Thats more like Latern making about 10 million over its 3 day weeekend if you compare cost..Long Live Apes...John M. Take Care.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@ wrote:
> >
> > Green Lanter had an opening weekend total of $53.1 million. Rise has an
> > estimated $54 million. So, yes, another Green Lantern.
> >
> > The dropoff percentage next weekend will determine whether or not there's
> > a sequel. Fox- by no means- "has their franchise back".
> >
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
> >
> >
>

And from what I've read, 3-D TVs aren't going over that well... I think 3-D
TV will go the way of DIVX...



In a message dated 8/7/2011 10:05:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
shrstrategygames@... writes:

> Reality Check: 3-D *is* the future for cinemas, home theaters and TVs.
> 3-D TV is already a reality.
>

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In the future 3-D will probably be the end all along with 4k, which I feel is more important. With 4-K resolution its practically 3-d anyway. Prices are coming down but consumers arent in the market for it I feel, its hard enough to get them to buy Blu-ray, though I feel that wall has finally been taken down. #-D does not appeal to me personally and the requirments are a bit to much and convoluted. Is it still true you have to have perfect vision. If it is it will never be a major growth segment-to many bad eyes-. I think its more fun for kids, but those kids grow up to be adults and they may want 3-D so who knows, maybe in a generation it will be common place. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> mlccougar: "Say NO to 3-D films... They're a passing fad anyway."
>
> John Mermigas: "True. The prices at theaters and the home mismash that you have to go though and the perfect vision you must have make it a royal pain in the a**."
>
> Reality Check: 3-D *is* the future for cinemas, home theaters and TVs. 3-D TV is already a reality.
>
> In the works now for future re-release in 3-D versions are James Cameron's "Titanic" (1997) and both "Star Wars" trilogies as well.
>

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Might you remember the scene in which a bully ape bowed deferentially to Caesar amidst a display of superior force? I feel like I might be in danger of needing to do the same to you, Graham, although I do want to point out that in POTA 2001, the international element was either masked or relegated to minor roles. In RoPOTA 2011, though, it was overt. Freida Pinto had a mere minor role? Not according to publicity for the movie. She also said far more than her Indian counterpart in POTA 2001, although he did demonstrate in the masterpiece Stargate that one can be very impactful albeit with few words. And his quip about the house humans feeling half-ape was priceless back in (mostly African-American) Washington D.C. where I watched it. Meanwhile, Jacobs will be perceived as having ties to Africa by some in Africa who are not familiar with the accent with which you have great familiarity, hailing from the United Kingdom. As for Estella Warren's hailing from Canada, as you intuited, in the USA that's not considered particularly foreign. Frequent flier miles certainly don't seem to discriminate between flights to other U.S. destinations and those in Canada. Same goes for long distance companies. The same can't be said for our Southern neighbor of Mexico. But you have nevertheless raised some good points. I feel less ignorant as a result of your enlightening me :-)

Now may RoPOTA do nothing but thrive when released in your U.K. homeland in a few days....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> > Your points about masked British actors in the 2001 POTA movie are well taken. But the cast of Rise still seems more global. We have a main character from India, and another who is an ethnic minority that could pass for African (although Jacobs is portrayed by someone who is apparently British, even though by his accent I had guessed African...based in part on the potential strategic significance of ties to a continent that provided the company with at least most of its apes). Meanwhile, Rise also has a Brit who happens to be the son of the late Richard Harris, and who tended the apes' cages along with another star who seems to hail from a different place entirely: the Harry Potter Universe.
> >
>
> Yes, but the actors who played Thade, Ari and Krull had a large amount of screen time each, more so than Pinto's character (particularly the first two). Add the others you mention from Rise, and all three that I mentioned above from PotA2001 would have had more minutes. Also, if you want an Indian actor in PotA2001, then look no further than the one who played Ari's slave/servant (Erick Avari). Also you can count Deep Roy as being a Kenyan Indian. OK, he played really minor roles (Thade's niece and that gorilla boy chastised by Ari for throwing stones), so I won't count him unless we have a tie. Freda Foh Shen, who played Bon, another servant in Ari's house, doesn't seem to have details about where she was born, but from what info I can get, she might well be born in the US. Estella Warren is Canadian... but I'm really scraping the barrel now. ;)
>
> BTW, Jacobs in Rise had a British accent. I'm from southern England, so that accent is fairly local. ;)
>
>
> Graham
>

As a victim of reverse colonialism, and therefore not having yet seen the film yet in the UK, I went to see Captain America last night (excellent!) and on the way in we saw the 'arm above head' poster and a little kid said 'I gotta see that!'Inside, the trailer produced audible approval, with one kid exclaiming 'Apes!'.I think that not only will Rise have great word of mouth, but it seems to have connected with a younger audience already.The reviews in the UK Press have been fabulous--5 out of 5 stars in the Sunday Mirror being typical.And the Apollo Cinemas booklet I picked up at Captain America doesn't put Rise in the sci fi category---it classes it as 'drama', which echoes the reviews that describe the film as 'thought provoking'.It's all looking great.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Rupert Wyatt and the writers know their Apes. They're probably already planning to do just as I said. ; )
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 7:51 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: costs and revenues of Rise; POTA 2001 & Green Lantern
>
>
>
>
>
>
> If they nail a good script early they could do it in 2 years. Often time is wasted on bad scripts. Then they could get it out in time for the Boulle anniversary, take a couple years to stretch and do something else, and return for # 3, release it in 2018 for the 50th.
>
>
> Well, since the home video branches of the firm never seem to get or remember their anniversaries, I doubt "heads" at the studio think much about them either.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:

>
>
> Might you remember the scene in which a bully ape bowed deferentially to Caesar amidst a display of superior force? I feel like I might be in danger of needing to do the same to you, Graham,

Please, a blank cheque will suffice. ;) Nah, please let me say that all this was meant and taken in good spirits. In some ways, I didn't want to respond in case it seemed I was taking this too seriously. :) Then again, I will respond to a few other things.

> ...although I do want to point out that in POTA 2001, the international element was either masked or relegated to minor roles. In RoPOTA 2011, though, it was overt. Freida Pinto had a mere minor role? Not according to publicity for the movie.

No, I didn't mean that. What I meant was that Tim Roth (Thade) and Helena Bonham Carter (Ari) each had more screen time than Pinto's character. Krull's character also had a reasonable amount of screen time, too. Admittedly, all three of those were under prosthetics.

> She also said far more than her Indian counterpart in POTA 2001, although he did demonstrate in the masterpiece Stargate that one can be very impactful albeit with few words.

Yes, she did have more time, I was just putting forward an Indian actor, but will concede that Pinto had more time than him.

> And his quip about the house humans feeling half-ape was priceless back in (mostly African-American) Washington D.C. where I watched it.

I thought it was Gunnar (Evan Parke) who said that.

> As for Estella Warren's hailing from Canada, as you intuited, in the USA that's not considered particularly foreign. Frequent flier miles certainly don't seem to discriminate between flights to other U.S. destinations and those in Canada. Same goes for long distance companies.

As I did admit in my post, I was scraping the barrel. ;)

> The same can't be said for our Southern neighbor of Mexico. But you have nevertheless raised some good points. I feel less ignorant as a result of your enlightening me :-)

No problem.

>
> Now may RoPOTA do nothing but thrive when released in your U.K. homeland in a few days....

Yes, I do hope it does. Looking forward to it, but will go in with an open mind.


Graham

> The book is already on Barnes & Noble Bookstore shelves.

I received mine over a week ago (and posted about it then).

Hunter

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I don't think the "international element" is that big a deal. Where's the international element in "Pirates of the C"? "Harry Potter"? "Transformers"? Those are the movies that made $ 1 billion worldwide this summer. People want to forget their troubles and see epic stories. They're the same all over.


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 8:57 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Which cast is more "International"? POTA 2001 or RoPOTA 2011?




Might you remember the scene in which a bully ape bowed deferentially to Caesar amidst a display of superior force? I feel like I might be in danger of needing to do the same to you, Graham, although I do want to point out that in POTA 2001, the international element was either masked or relegated to minor roles. In RoPOTA 2011, though, it was overt. Freida Pinto had a mere minor role? Not according to publicity for the movie. She also said far more than her Indian counterpart in POTA 2001, although he did demonstrate in the masterpiece Stargate that one can be very impactful albeit with few words. And his quip about the house humans feeling half-ape was priceless back in (mostly African-American) Washington D.C. where I watched it. Meanwhile, Jacobs will be perceived as having ties to Africa by some in Africa who are not familiar with the accent with which you have great familiarity, hailing from the United Kingdom. As for Estella Warren's hailing from Canada, as you intuited, in the USA that's not considered particularly foreign. Frequent flier miles certainly don't seem to discriminate between flights to other U.S. destinations and those in Canada. Same goes for long distance companies. The same can't be said for our Southern neighbor of Mexico. But you have nevertheless raised some good points. I feel less ignorant as a result of your enlightening me :-)

Now may RoPOTA do nothing but thrive when released in your U.K. homeland in a few days....

Hail the conquering heroes of the box office! And hail Caesar! Here's interviews from Comic Con with Andy Serkis:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50702

And "Rise" director Rupert Wyatt (who considers the original a Christmas flick):

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50704

A bit late with my comments. I had to leave for Montreal on Friday, the
day of the opening, but made sure that I caught the first morning
showing in Ottawa before I left.

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Not much I can add to the many comments already provided, but in a nut
shell, I really liked the movie. As some have already pointed out, it
does have its share of problems, but I do think that the many good
aspects outweigh the negatives. My major gripe was that the trailers
really spoiled it by giving away way too much. I was hoping that there
may have been a lot more relevant content to the movie that was not in
the trailers, but aside from the specifics of the ending, there wasn't
much to the story that wasn't already evident.

I wasn't bothered by the abundant POTA nods and references, although it
wasn't very imaginative for them to have put them in the way they did.

Franco was, well just "Franco". As I watched his usual lacklustre
performance and thinking about his role in Spiderman, I thought to
myself how so much better the movie would have been with an actor like
Tobey Maguire. Imagine my surprise when I later found out that they only
offered it to Franco when they couldn't get Tobey. Freida Pinto was
pretty useless from the story point of view and should have either had a
greater role or removed entirely.

Serkis/Caesar WAS the movie of course and while I thought the notion of
giving him an academy ridiculous before, I am coming around to seeing
how it may make sense. My problem with captured motion technology is
that most of the facial features in the 'performance' are still provided
by the CGI team as they tweak the movie. So how much of the Caesar
performance is Serkis and how much of it is CGI editing?

The score made no impression on me as I watched which was surprising as
I liked the sound effects used to build up the tension in the trailer.

Story wise, I think that this movie can stand on it's own nicely,
leaving us off at a good point, while at the same time the next step in
the "Rise" of the apes can be serialized in future movies. The entire
notion of tieing in to the original POTA is tenuous at best, but I can
accept that. There is still a lot that can be told until we get to a
"Conquest" state. I do hope that whatever interaction with humans they
do have in the next movie (crioss fingers) would be with an entire new
cast of humans. The characters and actors I cared about, Lithgow as
Franco's father and Franklin the caretaker, are dead.

The way I see it, the last few images of the spread of the pandemic can
easily be interpreted to mean that in a matter of days and weeks
millions or even billions of humans will die. A bunch of rebelious apes
north of San Francisco will hardly be of concern to humans. So the next
movie can really go so many ways.

I'll probably watch it again in the coming weeks.

Dario

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The irony is that I did stop reading almost all of the POTA groups
postings a long time ago and avoided the later trailers. But the first
full length trailer alone was too much.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011 11:11 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise comments

>
>
> My major gripe was that the trailers
> really spoiled it by giving away way too much.
> I thought about that too. I wish I hadn't known so much about the
> movie before I saw it. I think one of the reasons there was so
> much really positive buzz by those who saw it early is because most
> had no idea what they were in for. Most of the movie was spoiled
> before hand for me because I just couldn't keep from reading all I
> could find on the net.
>
> Maybe for the sequel I'll ignore everything.
>
>
>
>
>

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Regarding:

> And his quip about the house humans feeling half-ape was priceless back in

(mostly African-American) Washington D.C. where I watched it.

You said: I thought it was Gunnar (Evan Parke) who said that.

My reply: I believe you are correct.

May the Simians be with you... :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Might you remember the scene in which a bully ape bowed deferentially to Caesar amidst a display of superior force? I feel like I might be in danger of needing to do the same to you, Graham,
>
>
> Please, a blank cheque will suffice. ;) Nah, please let me say that all this was meant and taken in good spirits. In some ways, I didn't want to respond in case it seemed I was taking this too seriously. :) Then again, I will respond to a few other things.
>
>
> > ...although I do want to point out that in POTA 2001, the international element was either masked or relegated to minor roles. In RoPOTA 2011, though, it was overt. Freida Pinto had a mere minor role? Not according to publicity for the movie.
>
>
> No, I didn't mean that. What I meant was that Tim Roth (Thade) and Helena Bonham Carter (Ari) each had more screen time than Pinto's character. Krull's character also had a reasonable amount of screen time, too. Admittedly, all three of those were under prosthetics.
>
>
> > She also said far more than her Indian counterpart in POTA 2001, although he did demonstrate in the masterpiece Stargate that one can be very impactful albeit with few words.
>
>
> Yes, she did have more time, I was just putting forward an Indian actor, but will concede that Pinto had more time than him.
>
>
> > And his quip about the house humans feeling half-ape was priceless back in (mostly African-American) Washington D.C. where I watched it.
>
>
> I thought it was Gunnar (Evan Parke) who said that.
>
>
>
> > As for Estella Warren's hailing from Canada, as you intuited, in the USA that's not considered particularly foreign. Frequent flier miles certainly don't seem to discriminate between flights to other U.S. destinations and those in Canada. Same goes for long distance companies.
>
>
> As I did admit in my post, I was scraping the barrel. ;)
>
>
> > The same can't be said for our Southern neighbor of Mexico. But you have nevertheless raised some good points. I feel less ignorant as a result of your enlightening me :-)
>
>
> No problem.
>
> >
> > Now may RoPOTA do nothing but thrive when released in your U.K. homeland in a few days....
>
>
> Yes, I do hope it does. Looking forward to it, but will go in with an open mind.
>
>
> Graham
>

I would prefer to let you view the scene for itself, as it's very well done, and I don't want to spoil it for you. It's just a minor detail in a major film production, but I don't want to deprive you of an iota of satisfaction, an enormous amount of which I derived from seeing Rise Saturday night on a mega-RPX screen. Have fun :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, john surphlis <littlejohn57@...> wrote:
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>
> haven't see it yet, but just wondering is the bully ape younger then ceasar, then bowing to ceasar would be normal in the anmial world. john
>
>
>
>

We're not all church goers like you, Rory.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: FW: rise ticket and poster



Who went to RISE at 10:45 AM on a Sunday morning? Yikes.

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The final weekend numbers are in and "Rise of the POTA" did indeed collect $ 54 million domestic. Actually it was less than $ 200 million shy of $ 55 million. I knew I should have seen it more times!! It has collected $ 23 million from elsewhere but of course has yet to open in many countries. So the grand total so far is $ 78 million, $ 15 million shy of it's official budget.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

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J. Lee Thompson's "The Guns of Navarone" hits blu-ray on Oct. 18 and The Digital Bits is highlighting an interview they did with him in June 2000. Thompson of course directed the original version of "Rise of the POTA" which was called "Conquest of", well, you know. Which was released the year Rupert Wyatt was born.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/gunsofnavarone/thompsoninterview.html"

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Might anyone know what percentage of those revenues the theaters get to keep? Perhaps it increases with time, to encourage their continuing to host the films. Meanwhile, might anyone know what Fox's substantial marketing budget was for this movie? My guess is at least "a couple dozen million" bucks. Hopefully this will nevertheless be a profitable endeavor for Fox, though. Cable t.v., DVD, video game and toy royalties can be of help.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The final weekend numbers are in and "Rise of the POTA" did indeed collect $ 54 million domestic. Actually it was less than $ 200 million shy of $ 55 million. I knew I should have seen it more times!! It has collected $ 23 million from elsewhere but of course has yet to open in many countries. So the grand total so far is $ 78 million, $ 15 million shy of it's official budget.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>

Just Cheap! LOL Kidding,John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> We're not all church goers like you, Rory.
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:18 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: FW: rise ticket and poster
>
>
>
> Who went to RISE at 10:45 AM on a Sunday morning? Yikes.
>

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Reminder from:		pota Yahoo! Group
Title:		PLANET OF THE APES
Date:		Tuesday August 9, 2011
Time:		4:30 am - 6:30 am
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Rupert Wyatt went pretty in depth about his ideas for the sequel to "Rise of the POTA" with Ed Gross

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=43720

And has been repeating it elsewhere

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50723

It would be set about 8 years after "Rise" and follow the further adventures of Caesar (and maybe Will). He talks about the next generation of apes being young soldiers in a "Full Metal Jacket" type of scenario ("that kind of urban environment not dissimilar to Western forces going into Baghdad. Remember when the soldiers were finding gold telephones in Hussein's home? It would be the same way that the apes would understand our species through what we've created".
He also has the idea that maybe the humans have to move underground a la "12 Monkeys" because of the situation established in "Rise" (>cough!<). This could certainly be seen as the beginning of what became the mutants (Wyatt says this universe is a direct prequel to the Heston film). But more interestingly, it would give the apes free reign over our old stuff, buildings, etc. In essence, what Boulle's original novel was like, where the apes just basically replaced us. And with the 50th anniversary of Boulle's novel coming in 2013, would that be cool or what?
Now 2013 might seem to be too soon. Since "Star Wars" it's usually been 3 years between sequels for the big movies. But lately the studios have been stepping it up to every two years. It was two years between "Transformers" movies. This year's "Thor" already has a sequel announced two years hence (I expect "Rise" will do at least as good as "Thor" at the box office). Next year's "Spiderman" movie already has it's sequel release date staked out (2014). So a two year turnover seems doable. Normally I wouldn't care but a Boulleish POTA film during the anniversary year is a great idea to me. Call your Congressman.
Anyway, Wyatt's idea also sounds very "Battle" (as "Rise" was "Conquest"): "Whereas the story of the first film plays out as a fairy tale, the next film will play out as a Shakespearean sci-fi drama where you'll have Caesar as the leader of this revolution, but Koba would be the one leading his own troops wanting to wipe out humans in a genocide. But Caesar is more conflicted, and maybe Caesar needs Koba's assistance in terms of the conflict. And Maurice is his advisor and he's telling him to combine forces. Caesar needs the allegiance of the two, although he doesn't believe in what Koba believes in, which is complete genocide". Koba is the nasty medical experiment vet who pushes the helicopter off the bridge in "Rise". His relationship with Caesar sounds like that of Aldo in "Battle". Maurice is the sign language orangutan who could be the smart Virgil type.
If the humans have to go underground because of "that thing", Wyatt envisions them wearing gas masks on the surface, and says, "In a way, that would dehumanize them and would make us REALLY follow the apes. That's what interests me. This shouldn't be the apes as our enemy, this should be about the idea of a whole new civilization coming into being".
Of course these are just ideas and who knows what the sequel will ultimately turn out to be? But I can dig them. I've always enjoyed that the original sequels were each a different kind of story and it sounds like the next one will be a war movie. A really big, epic POTA war movie would be interesting. And as I said I would love it if they could bring in some legit nods to Boulle's book for the 50th anniversary. Time to rock. How long has the world got?

They expect Rise to do as well as Thor? Thor grossed nearly $450 million worldwide:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thor.htm

The 2001 version lured in nearly half its U.S. box office revenue the first weekend. Hopefully the Rise producers are on firmer footing, speculations-wise, than this admittedly marvelous character:

http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/7229/30364218_.jpg

My ticket Saturday, by the way, cost $14. They said it was an RPX theater and therefore warranted the extra fee. I was just happy to help pad Rise's income :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Rupert Wyatt went pretty in depth about his ideas for the sequel to "Rise of the POTA" with Ed Gross
>
> http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=43720
>
> And has been repeating it elsewhere
>
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/50723
>
> It would be set about 8 years after "Rise" and follow the further adventures of Caesar (and maybe Will). He talks about the next generation of apes being young soldiers in a "Full Metal Jacket" type of scenario ("that kind of urban environment not dissimilar to Western forces going into Baghdad. Remember when the soldiers were finding gold telephones in Hussein's home? It would be the same way that the apes would understand our species through what we've created".
> He also has the idea that maybe the humans have to move underground a la "12 Monkeys" because of the situation established in "Rise" (>cough!<). This could certainly be seen as the beginning of what became the mutants (Wyatt says this universe is a direct prequel to the Heston film). But more interestingly, it would give the apes free reign over our old stuff, buildings, etc. In essence, what Boulle's original novel was like, where the apes just basically replaced us. And with the 50th anniversary of Boulle's novel coming in 2013, would that be cool or what?
> Now 2013 might seem to be too soon. Since "Star Wars" it's usually been 3 years between sequels for the big movies. But lately the studios have been stepping it up to every two years. It was two years between "Transformers" movies. This year's "Thor" already has a sequel announced two years hence (I expect "Rise" will do at least as good as "Thor" at the box office). Next year's "Spiderman" movie already has it's sequel release date staked out (2014). So a two year turnover seems doable. Normally I wouldn't care but a Boulleish POTA film during the anniversary year is a great idea to me. Call your Congressman.
> Anyway, Wyatt's idea also sounds very "Battle" (as "Rise" was "Conquest"): "Whereas the story of the first film plays out as a fairy tale, the next film will play out as a Shakespearean sci-fi drama where you'll have Caesar as the leader of this revolution, but Koba would be the one leading his own troops wanting to wipe out humans in a genocide. But Caesar is more conflicted, and maybe Caesar needs Koba's assistance in terms of the conflict. And Maurice is his advisor and he's telling him to combine forces. Caesar needs the allegiance of the two, although he doesn't believe in what Koba believes in, which is complete genocide". Koba is the nasty medical experiment vet who pushes the helicopter off the bridge in "Rise". His relationship with Caesar sounds like that of Aldo in "Battle". Maurice is the sign language orangutan who could be the smart Virgil type.
> If the humans have to go underground because of "that thing", Wyatt envisions them wearing gas masks on the surface, and says, "In a way, that would dehumanize them and would make us REALLY follow the apes. That's what interests me. This shouldn't be the apes as our enemy, this should be about the idea of a whole new civilization coming into being".
> Of course these are just ideas and who knows what the sequel will ultimately turn out to be? But I can dig them. I've always enjoyed that the original sequels were each a different kind of story and it sounds like the next one will be a war movie. A really big, epic POTA war movie would be interesting. And as I said I would love it if they could bring in some legit nods to Boulle's book for the 50th anniversary. Time to rock. How long has the world got?
>

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>>A largely negative review (no spoilers), but I thought an

interesting one sum here and at the POTADG might agree with. <<<.html

Certain parties have said "Sands of Kalahari" is a good POTAesque adventure. It just came out on blu-ray.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/5151/sands_kalahari.html"

I definiatly do not agree with your conclusions, but thats what makes the world go round. Take Care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> "But if you know that film, you know that its entire point is that man is
> the villain. We are the animals (as Dr. Zaius points out) who foul our
> own nests and kill our brothers. We are the ones who have destroyed this
> world, and lost our right to dominion over its animals."
>
> "In the new film, though, disaster comes because man is a creature of
> empathy, working on a cure for Alzheimer's. Except it turns out to be
> fatal to humans; the only animal it helps (too much) is the ape. So the
> villain in "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is — well, who?"
>
> Sums the entire problem up rather succinctly. When you take the heart and
> soul of what made the original series have as much of an impact with
> viewers as it did, you really have no right to call it Planet of the
> Apes. Essentially we have POTA in name only. It's like taking Moby Dick
> or The Old Man and the Sea and focusing on the fishing aspect of the
> story- essentially turning either into 'Deadliest Catch'.
>
> 'Rise' is the original concept incredibly dumbed down for the ADD
> generation who are more fascinated by the apes running all over the place
> because that actually appeals to their Ritalin addled brains.
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:
>
> >>A largely negative review (no spoilers), but I thought an interesting
> one sum here and at the POTADG might agree with. <<
>

"Rise" is "Conquest" with science instead of slavery. "Rise" shows life is messy, it's not boiled down to the simple religious concepts of Dr. Zauis.


From: lawford42@...
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:54 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Negative review




"But if you know that film, you know that its entire point is that man is the villain. We are the animals (as Dr. Zaius points out) who foul our own nests and kill our brothers. We are the ones who have destroyed this world, and lost our right to dominion over its animals."

"In the new film, though, disaster comes because man is a creature of empathy, working on a cure for Alzheimer's. Except it turns out to be fatal to humans; the only animal it helps (too much) is the ape. So the villain in "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is - well, who?"

Sums the entire problem up rather succinctly. When you take the heart and soul of what made the original series have as much of an impact with viewers as it did, you really have no right to call it Planet of the Apes. Essentially we have POTA in name only. It's like taking Moby Dick or The Old Man and the Sea and focusing on the fishing aspect of the story- essentially turning either into 'Deadliest Catch'.

'Rise' is the original concept incredibly dumbed down for the ADD generation who are more fascinated by the apes running all over the place because that actually appeals to their Ritalin addled brains.


Chris L.



"Haristas@..." <Haristas@...> wrote:

>>A largely negative review (no spoilers), but I thought an interesting one sum here and at the POTADG might agree with. <<

"Rise of the POTA" spent some quality time reviving catchphrases from the 1968 original, but does it have any of it's own that will be included in the remake 30 years hence?

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/08/can_rise_of_the_planet_of_the.html"

All the music tracks for Patrick Doyle's score have been youtubed. The soundtrack doesn't come out for another week. Be warned that the track titles contain >SPOILERS<.

This should get you started.

# 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-AVFvdcwcs

# 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEZrMNpmWk8

# 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7f5ZyXLPI4

1. POTA68 **** (4 stars)
2. Escape *** (3 stars)
3. Rise *** (3 stars)
4. Conquest *** (3 stars)
5. Beneath **1/2 (2 1/2 stars)
6. POTA2001 **1/2 (2 1/2 stars)
7. Battle ** (2 stars)

We'll see how the uncut "Rise" is when it comes out on DVD.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 8:08 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Rise Survey




Now that the opening weekend for RISE is history, at least here in the States, let's take a general survey to see what the consensus is so far is as to the film's merits.

Let's assign it stars.

Please give a star rating to RISE based on this system:

**** (Four Stars) Excellent
***1/2 (Three and a Half Stars) Very Good
*** (Three Stars) Good
**1/2 (Two and a Half Stars) Mediocre
** (Two Stars) Fair
* (One Star) Poor


I can only give RISE *** (Three Stars). It's good, but it lacks the emotional punch I thought it should have and there are too many two-demensional characters. I also think the film should have taken its time more to get to its climax.

My star ratings for the other Apes films...

PLANET **** (Four Stars)
BENEATH **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars)
ESCAPE *** (Three Stars)
CONQUEST *** (Three Stars)
BATTLE **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars)

POTA2001 * (One Star)

-- Rory

Rise-***1/2. I agree exactly with your original Apes star reviews except id give Battle ** stars. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Now that the opening weekend for RISE is history, at least here in the States, let's take a general survey to see what the consensus is so far is as to the film's merits.
>
> Let's assign it stars.
>
> Please give a star rating to RISE based on this system:
>
> **** (Four Stars) Excellent
> ***1/2 (Three and a Half Stars) Very Good
> *** (Three Stars) Good
> **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars) Mediocre
> ** (Two Stars) Fair
> * (One Star) Poor
>
>
> I can only give RISE *** (Three Stars). It's good, but it lacks the emotional punch I thought it should have and there are too many two-demensional characters. I also think the film should have taken its time more to get to its climax.
>
> My star ratings for the other Apes films...
>
> PLANET **** (Four Stars)
> BENEATH **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars)
> ESCAPE *** (Three Stars)
> CONQUEST *** (Three Stars)
> BATTLE **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars)
>
> POTA2001 * (One Star)
>
> -- Rory
>

It was a 10pm showing in a what you would call today a large theater and it was close to 2/3filled and it was in general a better experience than my first viewing. The ages of the patrons were all over the place , so Arthur Jacobs would of been proud. The audience seemed very Ape-knoweledged and between the applause and laughs and kids chearing, and guys my age too clapping and yelling, which can look embarising, It seemed like 1973 all over again and that was the best Time Machine I could think of. Its not the greatest film ever made but it was made for US and made with, cant think of another word, love(love of Apes films). I hope it lasts and word of mouth keeps Apes alive. Enjoy the film and have fun..it doesnt last so treasure these little bones that are thrown our way. Apes live forever, John M.

About 1 out of 15 of my posts seem to get lost in the forbidden zone. Am I uposetting someone or breaking rules that I know nothing about. Does this happen to anybody else? Still a great great site but alittle peculiar at times, take care my web managers, John M.

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And it hasn't even opened in the U.K. and Japan, the Ape capitals of the world. It truly is a planet of the Apes.


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 4:08 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Rise at $84 million




Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
Not too shabby.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

Al

They liked it. Amen.

http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2011/rise2011.html"

I give Rise all four stars. As it is, it was heavy on the character development and not all that heavy on the action that we've grown to expect. To say its characters were too often two dimensional doesn't miss the boat (as the actor from the Harry Potter series admittedly could have been developed more interestingly) BUT the movie will do better commercially for not exceeding 2 hours. Nowadays folks don't want to sit around all that long, as we live in a fast-moving society (at least those of us who have to pay taxes). We're also accustomed to more convenient access to the restrooms than a theater provides. Again, four stars for Rise :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Now that the opening weekend for RISE is history, at least here in the States, let's take a general survey to see what the consensus is so far is as to the film's merits.
>
> Let's assign it stars.
>
> Please give a star rating to RISE based on this system:
>
> **** (Four Stars) Excellent
> ***1/2 (Three and a Half Stars) Very Good
> *** (Three Stars) Good
> **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars) Mediocre
> ** (Two Stars) Fair
> * (One Star) Poor
>
>
> I can only give RISE *** (Three Stars). It's good, but it lacks the emotional punch I thought it should have and there are too many two-demensional characters. I also think the film should have taken its time more to get to its climax.
>
> My star ratings for the other Apes films...
>
> PLANET **** (Four Stars)
> BENEATH **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars)
> ESCAPE *** (Three Stars)
> CONQUEST *** (Three Stars)
> BATTLE **1/2 (Two and a Half Stars)
>
> POTA2001 * (One Star)
>
> -- Rory
>

I believe BoxOfficeMojo only updates foreign revenues once a week (sometime around, but not including, Monday).

What I wonder is what percentages theaters get to keep, and how much Fox also spent on marketing the movie. When viewed through that prism, the box office intake is more meaningful. At any rate, I'm so glad to have gotten to see Rise, and also that it's such a fine movie :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
> Not too shabby.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
> Al
>

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Why was the ANSA PSA removed from Youtube? Is there still a way to see it?

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Might Rise get blamed for riots that are increasingly taking place all over the world?

http://www.cnbc.com/id/44073673

Spike Lee's purported movie "Do the Right Thing" was blamed (or some say "credited") with the Los Angeles Riots in 1992, after the Rodney King verdict emerged. And at least in London, an ethnic minority (the same one of pharmaceutical CEO Jacobs from Rise...) is reportedly fomenting the Conquest of the POTA-like burning and such that are transpiring.

I'd rather that the credit for the rioting go towards:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html"

And of course Twitter and Facebook...

http://www.zakiscorner.com/search/label/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Reviews

 

I know its premature about sequel talk but Rupert is. One Idea he mentioned that intrigued me was the "Full metal Jacket" but with Apes. Not nearly just a bunch of battles but about the human condition. Some humans stay above ground and the virus does them in-Dumb brutes from POTA68- and some that stay underground and the virus effects them differently and they become the mutants from BenTPOTA. To me this is another example of answering questions about how certain events and human and ape intelligencess had started . Perfect. Im not a genius but the first thing I thought of with that virus was that it can be used as an excuse for everything and it looks like they might go that path. To me it works. Take care, John M.

I will admit that even here I was surprised at the reactions. To the average educated person it seems to be a good film LOL. Take care Rory, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I wish I could have seen it with such an audience. These yahoos here in NC were rather quite.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2011 5:33 pm
> Subject: [pota] Went to see Rise again- great turnout...
>
>
>
>
> It was a 10pm showing in a what you would call today a large theater and it was close to 2/3filled and it was in general a better experience than my first viewing. The ages of the patrons were all over the place , so Arthur Jacobs would of been proud. The audience seemed very Ape-knoweledged and between the applause and laughs and kids chearing, and guys my age too clapping and yelling, which can look embarising, It seemed like 1973 all over again and that was the best Time Machine I could think of. Its not the greatest film ever made but it was made for US and made with, cant think of another word, love(love of Apes films). I hope it lasts and word of mouth keeps Apes alive. Enjoy the film and have fun..it doesnt last so treasure these little bones that are thrown our way. Apes live forever, John M.
>

I read somewhere that in total Rise cost 143 million. Why dont they just say this at the begining instead of having fans guess what marketing and other things cost in addition, and why is their a seperation of these costs. Find me a Taxman,yeahhea a Taxman...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> I believe BoxOfficeMojo only updates foreign revenues once a week (sometime around, but not including, Monday).
>
> What I wonder is what percentages theaters get to keep, and how much Fox also spent on marketing the movie. When viewed through that prism, the box office intake is more meaningful. At any rate, I'm so glad to have gotten to see Rise, and also that it's such a fine movie :-)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
> > Not too shabby.
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> >
> > Al
> >
>

Since Vatican II the church wants to seem hip....John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> They liked it. Amen.
>
> http://christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2011/rise2011.html"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Good Lord!
>
> But they do give it ****
>

Excellent work, take care....John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "maxprimal" <MaxPrimal@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy folks! I'm a longtime APES fan, and have also been enjoying the
> discussions in this group a lot. I hope you'll get a kick out of this
> series of retro reviews I did of the entire APES saga, from '68 to '01,
> leading up to the release of RISE last week. You can check 'em all out
> here:
> http://www.zakiscorner.com/search/label/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Revie\
> ws
> <http://www.zakiscorner.com/search/label/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Revi\
> ews
> http://www.zakiscorner.com/search/label/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Revie\
> ws
> >
> Please do leave your thoughts!
>

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I agree.

Amid all the hoopla over "Rise", let's not forget Paul Dehn, the father of simian Caesar.

http://www.badassdigest.com/2011/08/08/paul-dehn-the-man-missing-from-the-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-credits