Where'd you read that? Fox's official budget is $ 93 million and that's what people are reporting (even if they don't believe it). Fox seems to have rubbed two nickels together for the marketing.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:59 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise at $84 million



I read somewhere that in total Rise cost 143 million. Why dont they just say this at the begining instead of having fans guess what marketing and other things cost in addition, and why is their a seperation of these costs. Find me a Taxman,yeahhea a Taxman...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> I believe BoxOfficeMojo only updates foreign revenues once a week (sometime around, but not including, Monday).
>
> What I wonder is what percentages theaters get to keep, and how much Fox also spent on marketing the movie. When viewed through that prism, the box office intake is more meaningful. At any rate, I'm so glad to have gotten to see Rise, and also that it's such a fine movie :-)
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
> > Not too shabby.
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> >
> > Al
> >
>

.html<.html

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Amid all the hoopla over "Rise", let's not forget Paul Dehn, the father of simian Caesar.
>

I thought Cornelius was the father! Does Zira know?

I haven't seen RISE yet... does Boulle get a mention?

Dave

Ill find it, man, it was on one of the world total take in dollars websites, and how its doing financially.John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Where'd you read that? Fox's official budget is $ 93 million and that's what people are reporting (even if they don't believe it). Fox seems to have rubbed two nickels together for the marketing.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:59 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Rise at $84 million
>
>
>
> I read somewhere that in total Rise cost 143 million. Why dont they just say this at the begining instead of having fans guess what marketing and other things cost in addition, and why is their a seperation of these costs. Find me a Taxman,yeahhea a Taxman...John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe BoxOfficeMojo only updates foreign revenues once a week (sometime around, but not including, Monday).
> >
> > What I wonder is what percentages theaters get to keep, and how much Fox also spent on marketing the movie. When viewed through that prism, the box office intake is more meaningful. At any rate, I'm so glad to have gotten to see Rise, and also that it's such a fine movie :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
> > > Not too shabby.
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> >
>

Go to www.boxoffice.com and click on rise of the planet of the apes on the right hand side of the page and it takes you to another page where now it says its a 140 million picture. Explain it to me. I thought that all movies had a cost in them that never told us the marketing cost. Like when I said Burtons Apes cost 100 million everyone here said yes but that does not include publicity, news to me. Anyway I hope this website is legit. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Where'd you read that? Fox's official budget is $ 93 million and that's what people are reporting (even if they don't believe it). Fox seems to have rubbed two nickels together for the marketing.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:59 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Rise at $84 million
>
>
>
> I read somewhere that in total Rise cost 143 million. Why dont they just say this at the begining instead of having fans guess what marketing and other things cost in addition, and why is their a seperation of these costs. Find me a Taxman,yeahhea a Taxman...John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe BoxOfficeMojo only updates foreign revenues once a week (sometime around, but not including, Monday).
> >
> > What I wonder is what percentages theaters get to keep, and how much Fox also spent on marketing the movie. When viewed through that prism, the box office intake is more meaningful. At any rate, I'm so glad to have gotten to see Rise, and also that it's such a fine movie :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
> > > Not too shabby.
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> >
>

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and is really the father of the APES franchise, which unfortunately isn't entirely a good thing.

*****

Ha! Too true.

Zaki

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Howdy folks! I'm a longtime APES fan, and have also been enjoying the discussions in this group a lot. I hope you'll get a kick out of this series of retro reviews I did of the entire APES saga, from '68 to '01, leading up to the release of RISE last week. You can check 'em all out here:
>
>
>
> http://www.zakiscorner.com/search/label/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Reviews
>
>
>
>
> Please do leave your thoughts!
>
>
> I don't often defend BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES, but you say, "And while it underperformed relative to the first film's success, both with critics and at the box office, Beneath the Planet of the Apes still managed to overperform relative to its own reduced budget."
>
> Actually, BENEATH did quite well at the box office, making only a couple million less than the original. If it had only been a slightly better movie it probably would have topped PLANET's returns, which is a tribute to how popular the original was, but BENEATH remains the most profitable of all the APES films in terms of its budget to gross return ratio, and is really the father of the APES franchise, which unfortunately isn't entirely a good thing.
>
> -- Rory
>

> Paul Dehn shouldn't be in the RISE credits -- Pierre Boulle should
> -- and he isn't.

I'd have sworn that the beginning credits made mention of Boulle,
along with the French title.... Did I dream that?

Hunter

.htmlI thought in the opening sequence it mentioned Boulle.<.html

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Now the L.A. Times is picking up the call to get Andy Serkis an Oscar nom for "Rise". Would take some lobbying to get past the CG. Maybe it will be come "the cause" this Oscars?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/awards/2011/08/should-andy-serkis-get-an-oscar-nomination-for-apes.html"

The U.K. gets all the cool stuff so here's two new posters courtesy of "Empire":

http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=31717

What's this, am I in a time warp?


From: scott bosco
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 1:46 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" visitor badge




It reminds me the logo for the film, CHARLIE, which and the name written out in the same way

--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:


From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
Subject: [pota] "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" visitor badge
To: pota@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 11:36 PM



IGN visited the "Apes" set last year when it was called "Caesar: Rise of the Apes" and during this whole title change thing is sporting a photo of the visitor's badge. I kinda like that logo with what looks like a chalkboard in the background. The "school's in session" motif is cool. I vote for that.
IGN says they will have a set report next week.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/116/1160180p1.html"

There are no beginning credits, everything is at the end (ooops, spoiler!!). I didn't see any Boulle credit either. I think people are remembering POTA2001.


From: Hunter Goatley
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:21 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Paul Dehn

> Paul Dehn shouldn't be in the RISE credits -- Pierre Boulle should
> -- and he isn't.

I'd have sworn that the beginning credits made mention of Boulle,
along with the French title.... Did I dream that?

Hunter

I see. Don't know where they got that figure.
Tuesday, "Rise" hit $ 68 million in the U.S., which was POTA2001's opening weekend. Only took a couple extra days.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 9:23 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise at $84 million



Go to www.boxoffice.com and click on rise of the planet of the apes on the right hand side of the page and it takes you to another page where now it says its a 140 million picture. Explain it to me. I thought that all movies had a cost in them that never told us the marketing cost. Like when I said Burtons Apes cost 100 million everyone here said yes but that does not include publicity, news to me. Anyway I hope this website is legit. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Where'd you read that? Fox's official budget is $ 93 million and that's what people are reporting (even if they don't believe it). Fox seems to have rubbed two nickels together for the marketing.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:59 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Rise at $84 million
>
>
>
> I read somewhere that in total Rise cost 143 million. Why dont they just say this at the begining instead of having fans guess what marketing and other things cost in addition, and why is their a seperation of these costs. Find me a Taxman,yeahhea a Taxman...John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe BoxOfficeMojo only updates foreign revenues once a week (sometime around, but not including, Monday).
> >
> > What I wonder is what percentages theaters get to keep, and how much Fox also spent on marketing the movie. When viewed through that prism, the box office intake is more meaningful. At any rate, I'm so glad to have gotten to see Rise, and also that it's such a fine movie :-)
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Rise now at $61 million domesticly and $23 million Foreign = 84 million in 4 days.
> > > Not too shabby.
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> > >
> > > Al
> > >
> >
>

I got mine today. A rarity for me, I check books out more often than buy them. But it's great, I read through it after I got home.

Mel

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> I agree! I got my copy on the same day as I went to the midnight showing of Rise so I was a very happy apefan ! The book looks fantastic both with and without the jacket! and the paintings and illustrations are first class! I look forward to reading it!!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>

> There are no beginning credits, everything is at the end (ooops,
> spoiler!!). I didn't see any Boulle credit either. I think people are
> remembering POTA2001.

That's not the case, because I've never seen that entire movie.

I guess I'll have to pay more attention---but I'm sure I saw Boulle
mentioned, because I was surprised at the French title....

Hunter

My favorite movie source says Rise has now taken in, domestically, what POTA2001 took in domestically during its first weekend:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

By the way, I've read elsewhere that ticket price inflation has been 30% over the past decade.... Meanwhile it seems that BoxOfficeMojo only updates INTERNATIONAL revenues once a week (on Mondays).

Anyhow, regarding Rise's production AND MARKETING costs which are listed here at this other site:

http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/rise-of-the-apes-2011

I ask how much of those production costs are perhaps merely royalty-related, or residual payments contemplated in advance, that Fox doesn't owe UNLESS AND UNTIL certain performance goals are met? Residual payments for actors are rather vaguely touched upon at this Screen Actors Guild website:

http://www.sag.org/content/residuals-faq

It stands to reason that an actor's compensation would be performance-related, though. Otherwise, what incentive does an actor have to participate in media coverage programs? I do not know what Rise's actual (as opposed to projected) costs are, but during law school contracts class, we were taught that actors who negotiated for a percentage of STUDIO PROFITS wound up getting screwed by studio accountants who managed to dilute one show's profits with other shows' losses. Our professor claimed that Charlies Angels' actresses who were hits during the 1970s and whose shows are still in syndication internationally NEVER got paid those, and perfectly lawfully so...

Either way, it helps to know more about Rise's actual costs when trying to gauge its success. Might anyone know additional data that they'd like to offer? Here's to hoping that revenues reach the highest realistic level, like Caesar nearly did in a certain scene in the movie. Avatar and Titanic will be extremely hard to catch, but in this sport, one need not be tournament MVP to nevertheless be tournament champion.

This is kind of interesting considering one of Chuck Heston's most famous movies dealt with the future of our "precious planet".
The Earth "won't miss us". Doesn't say anything about apes taking over, though.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2011/08/heston_to_human.php

So whats the cost, 93 or 140 million, LOL. The two box office sites look very similiar dont they? Personally I dont think it will matter much after Western Europe and Japan get into the action but it is a persnickety numbers game. Take care thanks for all the info, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> My favorite movie source says Rise has now taken in, domestically, what POTA2001 took in domestically during its first weekend:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
> By the way, I've read elsewhere that ticket price inflation has been 30% over the past decade.... Meanwhile it seems that BoxOfficeMojo only updates INTERNATIONAL revenues once a week (on Mondays).
>
> Anyhow, regarding Rise's production AND MARKETING costs which are listed here at this other site:
>
> http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/rise-of-the-apes-2011
>
> I ask how much of those production costs are perhaps merely royalty-related, or residual payments contemplated in advance, that Fox doesn't owe UNLESS AND UNTIL certain performance goals are met? Residual payments for actors are rather vaguely touched upon at this Screen Actors Guild website:
>
> http://www.sag.org/content/residuals-faq
>
> It stands to reason that an actor's compensation would be performance-related, though. Otherwise, what incentive does an actor have to participate in media coverage programs? I do not know what Rise's actual (as opposed to projected) costs are, but during law school contracts class, we were taught that actors who negotiated for a percentage of STUDIO PROFITS wound up getting screwed by studio accountants who managed to dilute one show's profits with other shows' losses. Our professor claimed that Charlies Angels' actresses who were hits during the 1970s and whose shows are still in syndication internationally NEVER got paid those, and perfectly lawfully so...
>
> Either way, it helps to know more about Rise's actual costs when trying to gauge its success. Might anyone know additional data that they'd like to offer? Here's to hoping that revenues reach the highest realistic level, like Caesar nearly did in a certain scene in the movie. Avatar and Titanic will be extremely hard to catch, but in this sport, one need not be tournament MVP to nevertheless be tournament champion.
>

As with director Rupert Wyatt, the writers of "Rise of the POTA" are ready to go if/when Fox says so. "We feel very confident that there will be (a sequel)", says Rick Jaffa, "but at this point it's still wait-and-see"... there "haven't been any official conversations". He and Amanda Silver have enough ideas for two more and have planted seeds in "Rise" of where it would go. Usually filmmakers these days think in terms of trilogies. I say do one for 2013 and one for 2018, the 50th anniversaries.
Thanks, Al!

http://thewrap.com/movies/column-post/planet-apes-writer-producers-ready-sequel-29978

Accounting in Hollywood is a game, as this at times scandalous analysis helps document:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

And we wonder why there's a shortage of good movie scripts out there? The Forest Gump sequel story, there, is humorous (albeit in a sobering way, when looking at it from the author's standpoint).

At any rate, one other thing to take into account regarding a movie's revenues: how much do theaters actually get to keep? I've been told that theater precentages increase the longer they keep a movie. Otherwise theaters make a considerable portion of their money charging $10 for popcorn. I do not have hard data though... Just a desire to see Rise flourish :-)

Greetings to all from Houston, Texas (where I presume that George Taylor trained during his ANSA days, right?) :-)


____

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> So whats the cost, 93 or 140 million, LOL. The two box office sites look very similiar dont they? Personally I dont think it will matter much after Western Europe and Japan get into the action but it is a persnickety numbers game. Take care thanks for all the info, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@> wrote:
> >
> > My favorite movie source says Rise has now taken in, domestically, what POTA2001 took in domestically during its first weekend:
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> >
> > By the way, I've read elsewhere that ticket price inflation has been 30% over the past decade.... Meanwhile it seems that BoxOfficeMojo only updates INTERNATIONAL revenues once a week (on Mondays).
> >
> > Anyhow, regarding Rise's production AND MARKETING costs which are listed here at this other site:
> >
> > http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/movies/rise-of-the-apes-2011
> >
> > I ask how much of those production costs are perhaps merely royalty-related, or residual payments contemplated in advance, that Fox doesn't owe UNLESS AND UNTIL certain performance goals are met? Residual payments for actors are rather vaguely touched upon at this Screen Actors Guild website:
> >
> > http://www.sag.org/content/residuals-faq
> >
> > It stands to reason that an actor's compensation would be performance-related, though. Otherwise, what incentive does an actor have to participate in media coverage programs? I do not know what Rise's actual (as opposed to projected) costs are, but during law school contracts class, we were taught that actors who negotiated for a percentage of STUDIO PROFITS wound up getting screwed by studio accountants who managed to dilute one show's profits with other shows' losses. Our professor claimed that Charlies Angels' actresses who were hits during the 1970s and whose shows are still in syndication internationally NEVER got paid those, and perfectly lawfully so...
> >
> > Either way, it helps to know more about Rise's actual costs when trying to gauge its success. Might anyone know additional data that they'd like to offer? Here's to hoping that revenues reach the highest realistic level, like Caesar nearly did in a certain scene in the movie. Avatar and Titanic will be extremely hard to catch, but in this sport, one need not be tournament MVP to nevertheless be tournament champion.
> >
>

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<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14480098>

Dave

FAR OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:54 AM, dave <smugster2000@...> wrote:

<http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14480098>

Dave

--

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Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
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CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
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Great movie to watch. Wasn't expecting to appreciate it as much as I did. Good stuff!

<http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?t=152508&highlight=planet+apes>

Dave

I'm nearly positive that Pierre Boulle is credited using both Planet and Planete

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>>I agree. <<

>> I think Lawless is being far too negative generally.

<<


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
> Now that the opening weekend for RISE is history, at least here in the States, let's take a general survey to see what the consensus is so far is as to the film's merits.
>
> Let's assign it stars.

Planet ****
Escape ***1/2
Conquest ***
Beneath **1/2
Planet (2001) **1/2
Rise **1/2 (might revise after second viewing)
Battle **

I've just come back from watching Rise. It was alright, but hardly as great as is being made out. It's very light in its story, its message is diluted, there's not much meat to the thing, it hasn't the impact of the original film and most of its sequels, and in many ways I just felt it qualitatively like the Burton film. Still, it was a reasonable watch and I think it deserves a sequel, which is bound to bring the story into more interesting territory. Kudos goes to Rise for making me care for a CGI character, though. Andy Serkis did a fine job there, and Caesar's story is what pulls this film along (naturally), giving the character a strong emotional base. The human characters are fairly dire and uninteresting, mostly one-dimensional, but then again that just tends to make one focus on the main character of the show: Caesar.

Sorry, I went in thinking this was going to be fairly good, but felt a bit underwhelmed. I will, though, go and see it a second time to give it another chance. I think it deserves that at the least.


Graham

The "Rise of the POTA" screenwriters take us through the various references to the POTA mythology in the new movie. Some were bothered by them, I enjoyed them and felt they were mostly subtle.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/08/11/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-21-nods-to-classic-apes/

Beautiful work, I love the Clasic POTA Chimp nose in there

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> <http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?t=152508&highlight=planet+apes>
>
> Dave
>

I had to try to one-up Rich. I was just interviewed by BBC Three
Counties Radio about RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. 8-)

If you're interested, you can find an MP3 of it here:

https://pota.goatley.com/audio/bbc-threecountiesradio-2011-08-11-hunter-apes.mp3

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

Beautiful work, I love the Clasic POTA Chimp nose in there

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> <http://www.zbrushcentral.com/showthread.php?t=152508&highlight=planet+apes>
>
> Dave
>

That's very cool Hunter. I have not seen the movie yet so I will listen to your review after.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

I had to try to one-up Rich. I was just interviewed by BBC Three
Counties Radio about RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. 8-)

If you're interested, you can find an MP3 of it here:

https://pota.goatley.com/audio/bbc-threecountiesradio-2011-08-11-hunter-apes.mp3

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

Hey, congrats! Hunter--that's fantastic. I'll go listen to it now. :)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> I had to try to one-up Rich. I was just interviewed by BBC Three
> Counties Radio about RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. 8-)
>
> If you're interested, you can find an MP3 of it here:
>
> https://pota.goatley.com/audio/bbc-threecountiesradio-2011-08-11-hunter-apes.mp3
>
> Hunter
> ------
> Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
> goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
>

> That's very cool Hunter. I have not seen the movie yet so I will listen to
> your review after.

Thanks. There are no spoilers, and very little is said about the
new movie, except that I liked it alot.

Hunter

The drama "The Help" cleaned POTA's clock when it debuted Wednesday. You're supposed to be the optimist, look on the bright side: "Rise" is expected to cross $ 100 million domestic this weekend.

http://www.hitfix.com/articles/box-office-the-help-needs-little-to-beat-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-wednesday

These are cool. Once again the U.K. wins "best marketing". Thanks for the heads up, Al.

http://www.creativereview.co.uk/cr-blog/2011/august/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes

Yo da SIMIAN Hunter!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:58 PM, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> That's very cool Hunter. I have not seen the movie yet so I will listen to
> your review after.

Thanks. There are no spoilers, and very little is said about the
new movie, except that I liked it alot.

Hunter


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http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Boy what a drama queen. The Help -fine film- a new fim makes 5.5 million yesterday and Rise almost 5 million(4.9) and thats cleaning its clock, Im not made for these times, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> The drama "The Help" cleaned POTA's clock when it debuted Wednesday. You're supposed to be the optimist, look on the bright side: "Rise" is expected to cross $ 100 million domestic this weekend.
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"Rise of the POTA" screenwriters Jaffa and Silver talk about the moral issues of the film in an audio interview, as well as developing the concept (both audio and video interviews):

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/11/planet-of-the-hominids/

And while we're at it, they definitely have conceived of "Rise" and it's sequels as a trilogy:

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/08/11/rise-planet-apes-sequel-screenwriters/

Howdy, folks!

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:22 PM, maxprimal <MaxPrimal@...> wrote:

Howdy, folks!

I was on the "Hour of the Wolf" radio show on WBAI in New York last night to talk up the new book I co-wrote, Geek Wisdom , and while we had a great discussion about all kinds of different geeky things, I got to really chime in with my Apes fandom near the end. Here's the download link , and you can here me wax rhapsodic about PotA at around one hour and ten minutes in.

Zaki

--

Bill Hollweg
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Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Awesome!!!! Thanks for this!!!...............joe OBrien

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
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> I had to try to one-up Rich. I was just interviewed by BBC Three
> Counties Radio about RISE OF THE PLANET OF THE APES. 8-)
>
> If you're interested, you can find an MP3 of it here:
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> https://pota.goatley.com/audio/bbc-threecountiesradio-2011-08-11-hunter-apes.mp3
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> Hunter
> ------
> Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
> goathunter@... http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
>

An Emory University professor suggests that Rise of the Planet of the Apes is inaccurate regarding our primate cousins:

http://www.youtube.com/user/EmoryUniversity?v=F_f6-_zM1QI&feature=pyv

I'm not sure that I agree that Rise inaccurately depicts apes, though... Comments are welcome :-)

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I saw RISE last night and, a few niggles aside, enjoyed it immensely. Tom Felton's poor (and completely unnecessary) delivery of THE classic line robbed what may have been the movie's stand out scene of any impact. At the performance I attended, Caesar's tortured cry of `NO!' was almost lost in a wave of derisive audience laughter. They should have cut the Felton character altogether and given all his scenes to the criminally underused Brian Cox.

A couple of questions...

1: It took awhile for the audience to settle down and I could barely hear what was being said for the 1st ten minutes - was that scar/birthmark on Caesar's chest relevant in any way? I'm just feeling I missed something.

2: What's the general consensus here regarding RISE's place in continuity. The film makers seem to be confused and avoiding any definite statement so what's our opinion?

Unrelated reboot or flawed Prequel?

Dave

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To answer your questions:

1: No.

2: Reboot.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
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> I saw RISE last night and, a few niggles aside, enjoyed it immensely. Tom Felton's poor (and completely unnecessary) delivery of THE classic line robbed what may have been the movie's stand out scene of any impact. At the performance I attended, Caesar's tortured cry of `NO!' was almost lost in a wave of derisive audience laughter. They should have cut the Felton character altogether and given all his scenes to the criminally underused Brian Cox.
>
> A couple of questions...
>
> 1: It took awhile for the audience to settle down and I could barely hear what was being said for the 1st ten minutes - was that scar/birthmark on Caesar's chest relevant in any way? I'm just feeling I missed something.
>
> 2: What's the general consensus here regarding RISE's place in continuity. The film makers seem to be confused and avoiding any definite statement so what's our opinion?
>
> Unrelated reboot or flawed Prequel?
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> Dave
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> SPOILERS















> I saw RISE last night and, a few niggles aside, enjoyed it
> immensely. Tom Felton's poor (and completely unnecessary) delivery of
> THE classic line robbed what may have been the movie's stand out scene
> of any impact.

Yeah, that was not my favorite moment....

> 1: It took awhile for the audience to settle down and I could barely
> hear what was being said for the 1st ten minutes - was that
> scar/birthmark on Caesar's chest relevant in any way? I'm just feeling
> I missed something.

Unless I missed it, too, I think it was just there to help the
audience identify Caesar among the other apes.

> 2: What's the general consensus here regarding RISE's place in
> continuity. The film makers seem to be confused and avoiding any
> definite statement so what's our opinion?

> Unrelated reboot or flawed Prequel?

IMO, unrelated reboot.

Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

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> I saw RISE last night and, a few niggles aside, enjoyed it immensely. Tom Felton's poor (and completely unnecessary) delivery of THE classic line robbed what may have been the movie's stand out scene of any impact. At the performance I attended, Caesar's tortured cry of `NO!' was almost lost in a wave of derisive audience laughter. They should have cut the Felton character altogether and given all his scenes to the criminally underused Brian Cox.

I really wish all the films would stop with the cheesy homages, they add little and take away a lot. That line that Dodge Landon (Felton) spoke had little impact in that scene, and also, as you say, reduced the strength of Caesar's first word. When Taylor says that famous line in the original, it has the strength of context behind it, not to mention the way it was said was full of emotion, fury and fear. That line is great, not because of the words uttered in themselves, but because of the lead up to that scene. You can't just transplant that line from one film to the other. Agree about Brian Cox being underused.

>
> A couple of questions...
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> 1: It took awhile for the audience to settle down and I could barely hear what was being said for the 1st ten minutes - was that scar/birthmark on Caesar's chest relevant in any way? I'm just feeling I missed something.

Not that I could see. Mind you, I tend to think that seeing it was mentioned, it's not surprising to think that it might have a significance, but I didn't notice anything in this film.

> 2: What's the general consensus here regarding RISE's place in continuity. The film makers seem to be confused and avoiding any definite statement so what's our opinion?
>
> Unrelated reboot or flawed Prequel?

Reboot, with some pretensions to being a prequel. What I mean is that I'll treat it as a reboot, even if a certain George Taylor arrives on Earth some thousands of years later. That name isn't unique. ;)


Graham

I saw RISE last night.A sold out auditorium and an audience full of 'oohs' and 'ahhs' totally engrossed.A bit like Superman did for DC and Spider-Man 1 did for Marvel, RISE just gets Apes right.It GETS it.For me, RISE is a total triumph, ground breaking and Apes-renewing.Characters you feel for, rather than just look at.I've been waiting over three decades for this moment.It's cool to be an Apesfan again.John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
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>
> A couple of questions...
>
> 1: It took awhile for the audience to settle down and I could barely hear what was being said for the 1st ten minutes - was that scar/birthmark on Caesar's chest relevant in any way? I'm just feeling I missed something.
>
> 2: What's the general consensus here regarding RISE's place in continuity. The film makers seem to be confused and avoiding any definite statement so what's our opinion?
>
> Unrelated reboot or flawed Prequel?
>
> Dave
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The 50th anniversary of Boulle's POTA is in 2013 but I just realized Boulle's 100th birthday is in 6 months. Just saying. There should be a life-size bronze statue of him out there somewhere.

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I still put POTA followed by BPOTA as 1 and 2 myself.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:

As a kid I tended to like "Beneath" the best b/c of General Ursus and the mutants. When I got older it was all about "Planet" and Conquest".

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From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 10:16 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: My PLANET OF THE APES Reviews

Howdy folks! I'm a longtime APES fan, and have also been enjoying the discussions in this group a lot. I hope you'll get a kick out of this series of retro reviews I did of the entire APES saga, from '68 to '01, leading up to the release of RISE last week. You can check 'em all out here:

http://www.zakiscorner.com/search/label/Planet%20of%20the%20Apes%20Reviews

Please do leave your thoughts!

I don't often defend BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES, but you say, "And while it underperformed relative to the first film's success, both with critics and at the box office, Beneath the Planet of the Apes still managed to overperform relative to its own reduced budget."

Actually, BENEATH did quite well at the box office, making only a couple million less than the original. If it had only been a slightly better movie it probably would have topped PLANET's returns, which is a tribute to how popular the original was, but BENEATH remains the most profitable of all the APES films in terms of its budget to gross return ratio, and is really the father of the APES franchise, which unfortunately isn't entirely a good thing.

-- Rory

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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I agree with most of your points (especially the first couple of sentences)but the sequel one, and not because I have a favorite is always a point of contention with me. POTA68 alone would be just like any other great movie but not a phenemenom. The sequels and semi intellectual leanings of them and the popularity are what kept Apes alive. If you were their like me and I know you were, most kids and even adults couldnt wait for the next summer sequel and it slowely became expected and when it ended in 1974 it was almost like a friend died.
I truly believe that the whole canon of Apes esp. the sequels are what kept Apes going. Planet68 alone ,no matter how much I love it, and its my favorite film ever, would not have stayed in the public memory past the persons who were alive then if not for the continuing saga of sequels. In other words critics endear movies like Citizen Cane, Gone with the Wind, Wizard of Oz etc. are going to have the staying power of Apes because they are media darlings and critic proof and maybe just exceptions to my rule of thought. "2001 A space idiocy" can be cited as a one movie that has kept a large fan base but I dont think it has a large fan base on its own and I feel the public and critics tend to pool all of Kubricks films together as if they were one Apes or Star Wars film series. George Lucas was a genius at that mentality in that keeping the films in the public eye by such means as through films, sequels, toys, cartoons, books, pinball machines is how you keep a pop property alive by keeping it in the public eye and memory. A single film ,not in this day and age, can do it IMHO. The proof of my statements wont be found out for many years though so we can argue all we want-- every opinion can say they are the correct one.
The silliness of any Apes sequel to me is simply financial and the meddling of Fox- in Beneaths case Mort Abrahams and Battles Paul Dehns poor health and getting bored, sick and tired of Fox and Jacobs putting in to many Kid friendly rules, Battle also suffers from Thompsons drinking and the husband and wife Corrington team of mediocre at best screen writers and so many other reasons. Escape and even the original version of Conquest are very well done to me because of great writting and less meddling from producers like Capra Jr. and even Fox before they said Conquest had to be toned down. That seemed so silly to me that a film about revolution should have the violence and language held back because how else are you going to show your disdain with predjudice and slavery, especially in the late 60s early 70s. The sequels cant be as bad as some like to say(each film gets progressivily worse) because they did one thing that made the Apes popular that POTA68 did not, they made the Apes the heroes and thats the power of the sequels in this case. Planet68 really in all honesty can be a very boring film, no matter how technically good everything is about it(same said about films like The Godfather pt.II) if your mind set isnt right. The sequels ,even the bad one or two are not as boring in my view, just cheaply made at times. We and critics were less sophisticated sort of speak so some halfassed mistakes and continuity errors are not the end all of film construction in those halcyon days. Anyway, take care and keep the sequels coming, JohnM.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> POTA isn't supposed to be about real apes, and it isn't about being scientifically plausible. It's social allegory and political satire. One of the reasons the sequels have come to be regarded as silly in some quarters is precisely because they tried to explain things. This is why the original film not only didn't need a sequel and a series beyond that, but hasn't really benefited from them.
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> RISE has many scientific implausibilities and they don't all involve apes. If looked at too closely, RISE too becomes silly. Time will judge whether the movie succeeds.
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> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 12, 2011 3:06 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] Emory U. professor says Rise is inaccurate r/e apes...
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> He's talking about the original POTA which was based on stereotypes from over 40 years ago (aggressive gorillas, smart chimps, bureaucratic orangutans). Recent POTA like POTA2001 and "Rise" have incorporated what we know; big and strong gorillas but gentle unless provoked; more vicious chimps (Thade in POTA2001, Koba in "Rise"). It could also be said these experts are going by what primitive apes are like. If apes had the smarts, they would use what they have to their advantage. Gorillas ARE big and strong, so perhaps they would be the tough guys in an ape civilization.
> As for the comment that apes don't breed fast enough, again if they grew in awareness and figured out they need more apes pronto, they could probably do something about that. Plus the basic POTA concept requires a leveling of the playing field with humans. That means a lot of the humans have to go one way or another.
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> From: georgetaylor68
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:49 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Emory U. professor says Rise is inaccurate r/e apes...
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>
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> An Emory University professor suggests that Rise of the Planet of the Apes is inaccurate regarding our primate cousins:
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> http://www.youtube.com/user/EmoryUniversity?v=F_f6-_zM1QI&feature=pyv
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> I'm not sure that I agree that Rise inaccurately depicts apes, though... Comments are welcome :-)
>

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Hi. I'm a new member who just joined. I have a picture of me going to the Rise of the Apes opening in my Caesar(from Conquest)costume if anyone is interested in seeing it. I have to figure out how to make attachment first

Yes I know Lucas and alot in Hollywood learned much from the Apes and like I said in another post if not for Apes their would be no Star wars, and that was confirmed by a Fox executive I met at collegeNYU. My point was that Lucas just took it to another level and kept StarWars in public view even he had no movies to sell. I personally dont like Star Wars, I wish I did so I wouldnt get into so many arguments but it doesnt speak to me. I guess I like my sci-fi with a political slant than a cartoonish one. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Eric Payton <ursuszaiuscaesar@...> wrote:
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*** But does it need/benefit from a prequel/reboot? ***



In a message dated 8/12/2011 9:55:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> This is why the original film not only didn't need a sequel and a series
> beyond that, but hasn't really benefited from them.

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No, we do. ; )


From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Emory U. professor says Rise is inaccurate r/e apes...



*** But does it need/benefit from a prequel/reboot? ***

In a message dated 8/12/2011 9:55:30 AM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:

> This is why the original film not only didn't need a sequel and a series
> beyond that, but hasn't really benefited from them.

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Last weekend a lot of people saw "Rise". This week they recommended it to their friends and co-workers ("Yeah, yeah, "Planet of the Apes". No really, it's good"). This weekend the friends and co-workers go see it. A whole nest of them.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 7:19 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "The Help" dusts "Rise" on Thursday






"The Help" didn't need any to totally crush POTA on Thursday. OK, actually it was a barely perceptible win (both did $ 4.3 million and change). "Rise" made $ 77.4 million dumbestically it's first week and Week 2 begins today. Not much competish this weekend so the apes should rule (unless "Glee: the Concert" pulls it out). Next weekend will be Roddy vs. Roddy as the "Fright Night" reboot hits.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3246&p=.htm
Let's pretent we're all mutants with super brain power and concentrate on getting people into the theatre this weekend to see RISE.

The good reviews and word of mouth have to mean something.

GO APES!!!!

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Those titles to you and me are important. Mention them the to most people under 40 and they will give you a blank stare and thats my point. Some of those have been remade and thats the only reason they might rig a bell, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> I think that if PLANET OF THE APES never had a sequel it would still be a well remembered SF film classic, still watched and much beloved.
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> FORBIDDEN PLANET never had a sequel. Still talked about. THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL, still remembered. ROBINSON CRUSOE ON MARS is on Blu-ray!
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> Ever seen JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH from 1959? Of course you have. Well remembered, and loved.
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> I simply can not take seriously the contention that PLANET wouldn't be as beloved as it remains today if it wasn't for all the sequels and TV shows that followed.
>
> It's a lot of hugger mugger!
>

I remember Zaki when he did the "Sacred Scrolls" magazine. Good interview. They made it happen.


From: maxprimal
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 6:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] My interview with RISE writers




Howdy folks!


Just posted my interview with screenwriters Amanda Silver & Rick Jaffa. Some good stuff about Apes past and Apes future. Check it here:


http://www.zakiscorner.com/2011/08/exclusive-interview-rise-of-planet-of.html"

Im going a third time. I go with different parts of my family when they go. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
>
> "The Help" didn't need any to totally crush POTA on Thursday. OK, actually it was a barely perceptible win (both did $ 4.3 million and change). "Rise" made $ 77.4 million dumbestically it's first week and Week 2 begins today. Not much competish this weekend so the apes should rule (unless "Glee: the Concert" pulls it out). Next weekend will be Roddy vs. Roddy as the "Fright Night" reboot hits.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3246&p=.htm
>
> Let's pretent we're all mutants with super brain power and concentrate on getting people into the theatre this weekend to see RISE.
>
> The good reviews and word of mouth have to mean something.
>
> GO APES!!!!
>

I played it for my wife and we both almost broke down because my mother is entombed at Pinelawn in NY with the same Jewish plate and same birthdate and at first alittle jolting. Also were related by about 7 times removed. His mother is an aunt to my mothers uncle and they played together at CBS in the late 50s. Nice, thanks,John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OwQbxKRKM8
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

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> I remember Zaki when he did the "Sacred Scrolls" magazine. Good interview. They made it happen.

Hi Jeff! How the heck are ya? Sorry I never got that next issue out... :-p

Zaki