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Group: pota Message: 65447 From: RonHatter Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Another BOOM studios PotA series coming!
Group: pota Message: 65448 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
Group: pota Message: 65449 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65450 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Apes "rise" past $ 200 million worldwide
Group: pota Message: 65451 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65452 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: CONSPIRACY
Group: pota Message: 65453 From: Vic Martinez Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Will "Rise" take a fall this weekend?
Group: pota Message: 65454 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Another BOOM studios PotA series coming!
Group: pota Message: 65455 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot
Group: pota Message: 65456 From: RonHatter Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"
Group: pota Message: 65457 From: johnroche49 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Another BOOM studios PotA series coming!
Group: pota Message: 65458 From: James Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65459 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
Group: pota Message: 65460 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: The Mendez Dynasty
Group: pota Message: 65461 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot
Group: pota Message: 65462 From: knightangel314 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
Group: pota Message: 65463 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot
Group: pota Message: 65464 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: RISE has legs? Like how!
Group: pota Message: 65465 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
Group: pota Message: 65466 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: RISE has legs? Like how!
Group: pota Message: 65467 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: RISE has legs? Like how!
Group: pota Message: 65468 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Rise's tributes to POTA 2001? Box office comparison of the two?
Group: pota Message: 65469 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: RISE has legs? Like how!
Group: pota Message: 65470 From: James Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65471 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65472 From: lawford42@juno.com Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: Re: Forbidden Zone?????
Group: pota Message: 65473 From: James Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: FW: planet photos
Group: pota Message: 65474 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65475 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65477 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: "Rise": 1/2 of a 1/2 of a billion
Group: pota Message: 65478 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": 1/2 of a 1/2 of a billion
Group: pota Message: 65479 From: James Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65480 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA", "The Help" and civil rights
Group: pota Message: 65481 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: "Rise of the POTA" and identity politics
Group: pota Message: 65482 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Eric Greene talks "Rise of the POTA"
Group: pota Message: 65483 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Comics archive
Group: pota Message: 65484 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65485 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65486 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65487 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 65488 From: pgwalsh65 Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Ape fans in London
Group: pota Message: 65489 From: ben.jarrell Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Excited about my POTA poster
Group: pota Message: 65490 From: JohnM conquest-idor Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 65491 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
Group: pota Message: 65492 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
Group: pota Message: 65493 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 65494 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
Group: pota Message: 65495 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
Group: pota Message: 65496 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
Group: pota Message: 65497 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 65498 From: JohnM conquest-idor Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
Group: pota Message: 65499 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65500 From: James Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65501 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
Group: pota Message: 65502 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: A Timeline and Exploration of the Original 'Planet of the Apes' Fran
Group: pota Message: 65503 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: The Sound of 'Rise'
Group: pota Message: 65504 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Zira Lives!
Group: pota Message: 65505 From: James Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: FW: ape drive-in ad
Group: pota Message: 65506 From: Benjamin Jarrell Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
Group: pota Message: 65507 From: branchbrood Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: I Gotta Tell You The Truth...
Group: pota Message: 65508 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been bette
Group: pota Message: 65509 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Zira Lives!
Group: pota Message: 65510 From: drhasslein Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Francis
Group: pota Message: 65511 From: aquaboi@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: the tyrant
Group: pota Message: 65512 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65513 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: I Gotta Tell You The Truth...
Group: pota Message: 65514 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65515 From: James Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 65516 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65517 From: gort65 Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65518 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65519 From: Matthew Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: PotA Comics Reprints?
Group: pota Message: 65520 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65521 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65522 From: gort65 Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65523 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: APES trivia
Group: pota Message: 65524 From: . Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: PotA Comics Reprints?
Group: pota Message: 65525 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been..
Group: pota Message: 65526 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Cornelius sculpt, 1:1 scale
Group: pota Message: 65527 From: James Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: FW: ape photos
Group: pota Message: 65528 From: rob reading Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been..
Group: pota Message: 65529 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65530 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: APES trivia
Group: pota Message: 65531 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 65533 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
Group: pota Message: 65534 From: . Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder
Group: pota Message: 65535 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: APES trivia
Group: pota Message: 65536 From: Blam Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: PotA Comics Reprints?
Group: pota Message: 65537 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Questions
Group: pota Message: 65538 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Cornelius sculpt, 1:1 scale [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 65539 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: The Windows
Group: pota Message: 65540 From: johnroche49 Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: PotA Comics Reprints?
Group: pota Message: 65541 From: johnroche49 Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: RISE PLEAS
Group: pota Message: 65542 From: Marshall Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: RISE PLEAS
Group: pota Message: 65543 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: RISE PLEAS
Group: pota Message: 65544 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Burton on POTA2001
Group: pota Message: 65545 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: The Windows
Group: pota Message: 65546 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Burton on POTA2001
Group: pota Message: 65547 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Burton on POTA2001
Group: pota Message: 65549 From: shrstrategygames Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: A Timeline and Exploration of the Original 'Planet of the Apes'



Group: pota Message: 65447 From: RonHatter Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Another BOOM studios PotA series coming!
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
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> Boom studies has announced another PotA series coming in November:
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33990
>


I must admit, I havent even read the first batch of comics from BOOM, except for the preview pages, and that certainly opend with a "BOOM" lol
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Group: pota Message: 65448 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
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Sorry about your dad, John. That's more important than computer stuff. But the people who set up these viruses should be shot.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 2:38 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes but has to be told



I recently went to the e-mail page to wipe out everything in it which I do everyday and verification came up with an bank advertisment with the two windows to post. I unforntunatly set up a PHISING BUG the destroyes everything and got worse everytime I clicked on something. My computer ended up with over 700 viruses and every move I made Wose. I called AOL THANK GOD I still have them and had to go up to where the tech plays with my computer for me. An amazing amzing show of talent. Because Aol is my carrier they provided this service led me through Yahoo and back to our Wonderfull site and cured it all. He debuged my computer basically. And even though he is AOL he insisted I wright you James to hope(Their was no threat)noone would catch it from me(very unlikely just screws me. I couldnt get on your site no matter what but did not want to go any furthur. I dont care for computer technology and really did not take into account the three trys or five trys(attempts) and F****** MYSELF. Its all clear(dont say a thing)LOL yeah right, So Im writing this apology to you all.
The only defence I got was the news that my fathers got alzheimers disease(NOT A JOKE) and I definitly was not thinking straight. This post is long did not want to forget a thing and I would of done it anyway for my patient brothers here. Thank you and so sorry, John M.
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Group: pota Message: 65449 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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WTF?  What kind of La Raza BS is that?
If they could have controlled that amount
of territory at those distances they would
have.  This seems like the same stuff
George Lopez spouts.  Sour Grapes. 
 
In a message dated 8/19/2011 11:47:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
Talk about taking the allegory too far!
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Group: pota Message: 65450 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Apes "rise" past $ 200 million worldwide
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Through Thursday, "Rise of the POTA" made $ 117 million in the U.S. and $ 94 million through Wednesday elsewhere for a worldwide total of $ 211 million. Still too soon to say if it's sequel territory but hopefully the box office will continue to... I'm not going to say, no I have to... rise!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44757
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Group: pota Message: 65451 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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Some people like to blame their situation on history.
Sort of like, "Now if I had been around back in the
day!" etc... etc...  That's how a cold blooded killer
like Che gets made into some sort of folk hero.
 
 
In a message dated 8/19/2011 1:43:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pota1968@... writes:
That's what happenes when anyone just blogs.
They just randomly talk crap. Kinda like me with twitter. lol
 
Al
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Group: pota Message: 65452 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: CONSPIRACY
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Saw this on the Google Alerts...
 
 
I do think PETA got too far, but perhaps if they didn't they wouldn't be noticed at all.
I'm glad someone is seeing animals aren't mistreated.  On the other hand I don't
think and oil company should be fined billions for a Snail Darter while a windmill
farm gets a free pass to chop up as many eagles as it wants.  Any thoughts?
 
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Group: pota Message: 65453 From: Vic Martinez Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Will "Rise" take a fall this weekend?
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I still have not seen "Rise" Will I like it?
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Group: pota Message: 65454 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/19/2011
Subject: Re: Another BOOM studios PotA series coming!
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I do hope this new one is better than what we've got so far... I'm trying
to support it, but it really isn't my thing... I never thought APES should be
turned into a murder mystery...




In a message dated 8/19/2011 2:52:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
darios@... writes:


> Boom studies has announced another PotA series coming in November:
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33990
>

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Group: pota Message: 65455 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot
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It looks like a very close race this weekend. On Friday all the new movies seem to have taken a backseat to "Rise" and "The Help" (which has been beating "Rise" all week by $ 1 million of so). Of course the weekend is a different beast than a week day but so far it looks like "Rise" still has a chance to pull off a third # 1 weekend. But I don't want to jinx it so forget I said anything.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/first-box-office-top-5-utter-confusion/
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Group: pota Message: 65456 From: RonHatter Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "RonHatter" <ronhatter@...> wrote:
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> here is a scene currently in the process of being animated, it's really only the opening of a much bigger scene.
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> Unfortunately, the Animation is shoddy.
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> http://youtu.be/x7CtNEN9uyY
>
here is a full scene that has been done for a while, but with temporary muxic and color grading.

The re-introduction of Mendez from "BATTLE" and the more appropriate introduction of his son.
http://youtu.be/3j4VAPzpcgs
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Group: pota Message: 65457 From: johnroche49 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Another BOOM studios PotA series coming!
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The BOOM! Apes,#1-4, have been an exercise in comics' excellence, both in writing and art.I'm delighted that we're getting more.Any news on Apes #5 yet? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
>
> Boom studies has announced another PotA series coming in November:
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=33990
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Group: pota Message: 65458 From: James Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

I'd love to do another Apes: Freida Pinto
Hindustan Times
Freida's just had a big release — Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes — which topped box-office charts in the West. In India, the multi-million dollar franchise sequel was hit by the revenue sharing tussle between producers and multiplex owners and opened ...
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Hindustan Times

'Planet Of The Apes ' Puts San Francisco's Muir Woods Back on the Map
Jaunted
The Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes opened in theaters just two weeks ago, but already one of the movie's featured locations has seen an increase in visitors, thanks to the film. The movie didn't actually spend any time filming at the Muir Woods ...
See all stories on this topic »


Jaunted

Cinemania > Rise of the Planet of the Apes
Shore News Today
Luckily, “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” is good enough to rise above that problem. After all, the original was a B-movie of sorts, so there isn't much of a legacy to destroy. “Rise” is so much its own entity, it doesn't take anthing away from the ...
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Rise of the Planet of the Apes – 'Human, all too human'
The Guardian (blog)
It comes as no real surprise, then, that popular culture reflects this interest in its most recent animal-based offering, Rise of the Planet of the Apes. It's also no surprise that a film about apes rebelling against human oppression and rising up to ...
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Betrayal Of The Planet Of The Apes Starts In November
Bleeding Cool News
Betrayal Of The Planet Of The Apes is a new four issue series shipping in November from Boom, written by Gabriel Hardman, Corinna Sara Bechko and Gabriel Hardman, in the old movies continuity… I think we should come up with titles for other possible ...
See all stories on this topic »

 

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Group: pota Message: 65459 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
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No worries John. Nothing to apologize for.

Sorry to hear about your father.


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
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> I recently went to the e-mail page to wipe out everything in it which I do everyday and verification came up with an bank advertisment with the two windows to post. I unforntunatly set up a PHISING BUG the destroyes everything and got worse everytime I clicked on something. My computer ended up with over 700 viruses and every move I made Wose. I called AOL THANK GOD I still have them and had to go up to where the tech plays with my computer for me. An amazing amzing show of talent. Because Aol is my carrier they provided this service led me through Yahoo and back to our Wonderfull site and cured it all. He debuged my computer basically. And even though he is AOL he insisted I wright you James to hope(Their was no threat)noone would catch it from me(very unlikely just screws me. I couldnt get on your site no matter what but did not want to go any furthur. I dont care for computer technology and really did not take into account the three trys or five trys(attempts) and F****** MYSELF. Its all clear(dont say a thing)LOL yeah right, So Im writing this apology to you all.
> The only defence I got was the news that my fathers got alzheimers disease(NOT A JOKE) and I definitly was not thinking straight. This post is long did not want to forget a thing and I would of done it anyway for my patient brothers here. Thank you and so sorry, John M.
>

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Group: pota Message: 65460 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: The Mendez Dynasty
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There was no skip. I mistakenly added an extra "I" when updating the page which has now been corrected. If you click on the link it still goes to the bio for Mendez XVII.

Glad you're enjoying the series.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, chimel23@... wrote:
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> This is the first time I've read through these, and I'm enjoying it. But it looks like there's a skip...this week's is the Albina VI and VIII with Mendez XVIII coming after. However, this one isn't on the list, it just skips from Mendez XVI to Mendez XVIII. Are they not being done entirely in order, or have you just not got the links all up yet? I'm curious because I don't want to miss any.
>
> Mel
>

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Group: pota Message: 65461 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot
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Wow, that's pretty amazing.
This is going to be interesting.
 
Al

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:31 AM
Subject: [pota] new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot

 
It looks like a very close race this weekend. On Friday all the new movies seem to have taken a backseat to "Rise" and "The Help" (which has been beating "Rise" all week by $ 1 million of so). Of course the weekend is a different beast than a week day but so far it looks like "Rise" still has a chance to pull off a third # 1 weekend. But I don't want to jinx it so forget I said anything.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/first-box-office-top-5-utter-confusion/


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Group: pota Message: 65462 From: knightangel314 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
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Yeah, it's okay. Sorry to hear about your dad.

I had a recent hack too, but it doesn't appear this list got the spam that went out. Mine was a combo of a problem Comcast needs to address and the fact that I shouldn't have used my email password as my Facebook password. Luckily, there were no viruses and I got it taken care of.

Mel

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I recently went to the e-mail page to wipe out everything in it which
> I do everyday and verification came up with an bank advertisment with
> the two windows to post. I unforntunatly set up a PHISING BUG the
> destroyes everything and got worse everytime I clicked on something. My
> computer ended up with over 700 viruses and every move I made Wose. I
> called AOL THANK GOD I still have them and had to go up to where the
> tech plays with my computer for me. An amazing amzing show of talent.
> Because Aol is my carrier they provided this service led me through
> Yahoo and back to our Wonderfull site and cured it all. He debuged my
> computer basically. And even though he is AOL he insisted I wright you
> James to hope(Their was no threat)noone would catch it from me(very
> unlikely just screws me. I couldnt get on your site no matter what but
> did not want to go any furthur. I dont care for computer technology and
> really did not take into account the three trys or five trys(attempts)
> and F****** MYSELF. Its all clear(dont say a thing)LOL yeah right, So Im
> writing this apology to you all.
> > The only defence I got was the news that my fathers got alzheimers
> disease(NOT A JOKE) and I definitly was not thinking straight. This post
> is long did not want to forget a thing and I would of done it anyway for
> my patient brothers here. Thank you and so sorry, John M.
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Group: pota Message: 65463 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot
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Despite the good reviews with Fright Night, Colin Farrell has been a huge boxoffice draw.
That along with the fact there's always a new or redone Vampire movie every five minutes in the world doesn't help.
 
Al

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 2:31 AM
Subject: [pota] new movies crushed under "Rise" 's boot

 
It looks like a very close race this weekend. On Friday all the new movies seem to have taken a backseat to "Rise" and "The Help" (which has been beating "Rise" all week by $ 1 million of so). Of course the weekend is a different beast than a week day but so far it looks like "Rise" still has a chance to pull off a third # 1 weekend. But I don't want to jinx it so forget I said anything.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/first-box-office-top-5-utter-confusion/


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Group: pota Message: 65464 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: RISE has legs? Like how!
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Group: pota Message: 65465 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"
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That's the one....on the armbands....I'll get a screengrab and compare when I get the time...
Tim


From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:55 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: >SPOILER< POTA references in "Rise"

 
Ive seen Conquest fully(get a life) about 100 times atleast and dont remember no logos except for the armbands for apes at the Comand Post. Im probably wrong, I forget details alot easier lately, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
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> I might be mistaken but isn't the bay window design...the one that Caeser draws in his cell and shows up on a stop sign during the revolution....very similar to the Ape Management logo in Conquest? Can't find a pic of that....
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Group: pota Message: 65466 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: RISE has legs? Like how!
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I can't say I hate it, since I haven't seen it.  But it is the Chick Flick
of the Month, and chick flicks don't usually get multiple viewings
like action movies do, unless there's a big romance in it, like
Titanic.  Chances are it's numbers will decline while Rise
increases as word of mouth gets around that it has a
better story than POTA2K1 did.  Cross you fingers!
 
 
In a message dated 8/20/2011 1:24:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
Still can't believe THE HELP is so popular -- I hate this movie.
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Group: pota Message: 65467 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: RISE has legs? Like how!
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3254&p=.htm

"It was business as usual for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which extended its lead over most past comparable titles...and continued to hold much better than Planet of the Apes (2001). Rise dipped 43 percent to an estimated $4.65 million, growing its (U.S.) sum to $122.1 million in 15 days.


ME: POTA2001 grossed around $180 domestically in 2001 dollars. Rise is holding "much better"? Or is that suggestion little more than a media concoction? I'm asking with genuine ignorance, while hoping that Rise will continue to succeed :-)

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
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>
> I can't say I hate it, since I haven't seen it. But it is the Chick Flick
> of the Month, and chick flicks don't usually get multiple viewings
> like action movies do, unless there's a big romance in it, like
> Titanic. Chances are it's numbers will decline while Rise
> increases as word of mouth gets around that it has a
> better story than POTA2K1 did. Cross you fingers!
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/20/2011 1:24:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> Still can't believe THE HELP is so popular -- I hate this movie.
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Group: pota Message: 65468 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Rise's tributes to POTA 2001? Box office comparison of the two?
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Does Rise have any tributes to POTA 2001, too? I think I just thought of one...

Remember how there's a mark on Caesar's chest, in Rise? Well...what's the name of the actor who portrayed the astronaut in POTA2001? Somebody else here has already said that that "mark" resembles the Oberon, so maybe I'm not sounding altogether like the English literature college professor who justifies receiving a high salary (at taxpayers' expense) by pointing out purported imagery in books that even the authors never intended to be there, ha ha! :-)

Sorry; it's been a loooong week.

I sure hope that Rise keeps its legs though. But to do as well as POTA 2001, it needs to make $180 million domestically in 2001 dollars. The inflation differential's over 30%, right? So Rise is poised to top $240 million domestically? The media sure does seem to think so, but who here thinks Rise can bring in another $130 million AFTER this weekend? I'd LOVE for it to happen, but...school's back in session soon and even though economic times prompt folks to lose themselves in movies, nowadays schoolkids would seemingly prefer to exchange pirated video games or partake of weed... Any predictions?
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Group: pota Message: 65469 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/20/2011
Subject: Re: RISE has legs? Like how!
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Rise has pulled in 120M so far, give or take a couple mil.,
and it's projected to do another 16.5M this weekend.  Not bad
for the first few weeks.  Apes has legs, as they say, with thumbs!
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/20/2011 5:32:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:
ME: POTA2001 grossed around $180 domestically in 2001 dollars. Rise is holding "much better"? Or is that suggestion little more than a media concoction?
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Group: pota Message: 65470 From: James Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Box office update: 'The Help' and 'Apes' stay on top as four newcomers badly ...
Entertainment Weekly
The Help and Rise of the Planet of the Apes, meanwhile, remained strong, and they will easily finish first and second for the weekend. The Help sure doesn't need any at the box office! The well-reviewed adaptation, which is quickly becoming an event ...
See all stories on this topic »

Fearing a Planet Without Apes
New York Times
By JOHN C. MITANI VIEWERS of this summer's Hollywood blockbuster “Rise of the Planet of the Apes” may be surprised to learn that before our earliest ancestors arrived on the scene roughly seven million years ago, apes really did rule the planet. ...
See all stories on this topic »

Rogue of the Week: Andy Serkis
I Am Rogue.com
Rise of the Planet of Apes is the first film in the 43 year franchise to create its apes by any means other than traditional makeup effects. Director Rupert Wyatt instead opted to portray the primates exclusively through motion capture technology. ...
See all stories on this topic »

ScreenCrave's Top 5 'Planet Of The Apes' Films
ScreenCrave.com
Long story short, Caesar goes ape (forgive me), Caesar trains other apes in combat, and the renegade simians declare the birth of the Planet of Apes, with the back half of the film essentially giving Rise of the Apes its entire structure (as well as ...
See all stories on this topic »

Freida Pinto Seduces Us On The Cover Of InStyle UK (PHOTOS)
Global Grind
The "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" actress was photographed by Alan Gelati and styled by Amanda Bellan wearing exquisite gowns from the Emilio Pucci Fall 2011 Collection. Freida looked gorgeous in a black velvet dress with lace sleeves for the front ...
See all stories on this topic »

http://nt0.ggpht.com/news/tbn/8AFmkJQoKP4J
Global Grind

'Rise of Apes' makes audience bow to fantastic story
Pauls Valley Daily Democrat
“Rise of the Planet of the Apes” is a delightful mix of suspense and storytelling a wide range of audiences should appreciate. The story itself is more reboot than remake, but shares the most in common with the classic chapter “Conquest of the Planet ...
See all stories on this topic »

 

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Group: pota Message: 65471 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: "Rise" no longer top banana
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The party's over. Looks like "Rise of the POTA" lost it's # 1 spot after a two weekend ride to "The Help" of all things. But it held strong against the debuts of famous franchises ("Spy Kids", "Conan the B", "Fright Night") to come in at # 2. It made an estimated $16 million to the un"Help"ful $20 million of the # 1 flick.
So how will "Rise" stand among the summer releases? Too soon to tell but it would be groovy if it cleared $ 500 million worldwide. That's asking a lot at this point. When the foreign numbers come in tomorrow it'll probably be half -way there. Obviously it won't join the Billion Dollar Club of "Harry Potter 8", "Transformers 3" or "Pirates 4"; or catch up to "Kung Fu Panda 2" ($616 mil worldwide) and the slob duo of "Fast 5" ($605 mil ww) and "Hangover 2" ($581 mil ww). But can it beat Fox's top 2011 movie "Rio" ($482 mil ww), it's once potential competish "Cars 2" ($476 mil ww) or the top comic book movie "Thor" ($448 mil ww)? Time will tell.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/first-box-office-top-5-utter-confusion/
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Group: pota Message: 65472 From: lawford42@juno.com Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: Re: Forbidden Zone?????
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TERROR # 4 can be purchased at Mile High Comics:
 
 
 
Forbidden Zone #4 doesn't turn up on eBay, Amazon, or Half.com, but if you go to Mile High Comics you can add it to a wish list and they notify you when it's available (you can do a 'Saved Search' on eBay as well and the same thing happens). I had a ton of extra Malibu issues at one point but bulk sold them all to MHC because no one expressed any interest save for one or two people on the list here.
 
I've had pretty good luck at http://www.mycomicshop.com/ but it's also listed as out of stock there as well.
 
 
Chris L.
 
 
 
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>>Does ANYONE have a POTA Forbidden Zone #4 they'd be willing to sell
me or know where I can find a copy? It completes my POTA comic collection. I looked all over. I have paypal. <<
 
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Group: pota Message: 65473 From: James Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: FW: planet photos
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From: William Burge
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:02 PM
Subject: planet photos

 

dear group, here are some more planet photos. from william burge

 

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Group: pota Message: 65474 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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Who cares about top banana.  Everything comes to end eventually.  RISE has done very well and it ain't over.
 
If the frigin' SMURFS can do $300 Mill plus in a month, then RISE can do that too.  Just sit back and relax.  Rise will do fine.
 
Now comes the long wait for the Blu-ray/DVD.




-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 21, 2011 1:49 pm
Subject: [pota] "Rise" no longer top banana

 
The party's over. Looks like "Rise of the POTA" lost it's # 1 spot after a two weekend ride to "The Help" of all things. But it held strong against the debuts of famous franchises ("Spy Kids", "Conan the B", "Fright Night") to come in at # 2. It made an estimated $16 million to the un"Help"ful $20 million of the # 1 flick.
So how will "Rise" stand among the summer releases? Too soon to tell but it would be groovy if it cleared $ 500 million worldwide. That's asking a lot at this point. When the foreign numbers come in tomorrow it'll probably be half -way there. Obviously it won't join the Billion Dollar Club of "Harry Potter 8", "Transformers 3" or "Pirates 4"; or catch up to "Kung Fu Panda 2" ($616 mil worldwide) and the slob duo of "Fast 5" ($605 mil ww) and "Hangover 2" ($581 mil ww). But can it beat Fox's top 2011 movie "Rio" ($482 mil ww), it's once potential competish "Cars 2" ($476 mil ww) or the top comic book movie "Thor" ($448 mil ww)? Time will tell.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/first-box-office-top-5-utter-confusion/
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Group: pota Message: 65475 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/21/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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Rise is doing well, but THIS well?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3254&p=.htm

"It was business as usual for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which... continued to hold much better than Planet of the Apes (2001). Rise dipped 43 percent to an estimated $4.65 million, growing its (U.S.) sum to $122.1 million in 15 days."


ME: POTA2001 grossed around $180 domestically in 2001 dollars. Rise is holding "much better"? Or is that suggestion little more than a media concoction? I'm asking with genuine ignorance, while hoping that Rise will continue to succeed :-)

But according to my calculations, Rise will have to bring in over a hundred million dollars more, DOMESTICALLY, just to MATCH POTA 2001 (when adjusting for inflation)...

_________

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> Who cares about top banana. Everything comes to end eventually. RISE has done very well and it ain't over.
>
> If the frigin' SMURFS can do $300 Mill plus in a month, then RISE can do that too. Just sit back and relax. Rise will do fine.
>
> Now comes the long wait for the Blu-ray/DVD.
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Group: pota Message: 65477 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: "Rise": 1/2 of a 1/2 of a billion
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  "Harry Potter" makes it look so easy but the latest foreign receipts are in and "Rise of the POTA" passed the $ 250 million mark worldwide. The apes still don't get invited to the same parties as the Transformers do but it's a start.
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Group: pota Message: 65478 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise": 1/2 of a 1/2 of a billion
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If you consider the damage done to the franchise by the last one
this is quite a comeback. Not only does it have respectable 4th
weekend boxoffice numbers but about 70% give it an A, with
another 20% giving it a B. Nearly as many gave the last one
an F as gave it an A.  So, not too shabby for a reboot.
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2011 12:42:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
 

  "Harry Potter" makes it look so easy but the latest foreign receipts are in and "Rise of the POTA" passed the $ 250 million mark worldwide. The apes still don't get invited to the same parties as the Transformers do but it's a start.

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Group: pota Message: 65479 From: James Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Box office report: 'The Help' cleans up with $20.5 million; Audiences reject ...
Entertainment Weekly
The Help climbed past Rise of the Planet of the Apes and into first place, with an estimated gross of $20.5 million. That result marks a fabulous drop of just 21 percent, which indicates that good word-of-mouth about The Help, which earned a rare "A+" ...
See all stories on this topic »

Movies Reflecting the Times
Arirang News
Back then it created a huge stir because it dealt with a society dominated by apes with human intelligence. The latest installment, which is the 8th film, aims to shed light on how it all began. In the film "Rise of the Planet of the Apes," scientists ...
See all stories on this topic »

 

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Group: pota Message: 65480 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise of the POTA", "The Help" and civil rights
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I guess you'll have to click on the article through here:

http://www.apecentral.net/2011/08/heard-it-through-the-ape-vine-82211.html"


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:36 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: "Rise of the POTA", "The Help" and civil rights


"Rise of the POTA" and "The Help" have been at the top of the box office for a couple weeks. One is seen as a civil rights drama and the other a summer action flick. But here's an interesting commentary that suggests they have similar subject matter. I'll let him tell you which one is better (and no, it wasn't written by Eric Greene). Thanks to Ape Central for the heads-up.

http://thecivilrightsmovement.com/I-wish-I-knew-how-it-would-feel-to-be-free-on-rise-of-planet-of-the-apes-and-the-help/discrimination/2011/08/21/25639
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Group: pota Message: 65481 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: "Rise of the POTA" and identity politics
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After that article about "Rise" and civil rights, here's one that says the original POTA was based in that era's civil rights movement but "Rise" fits in more with today's "identity politics".

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/11005/
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Group: pota Message: 65482 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Eric Greene talks "Rise of the POTA"
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Eric Greene needs no introduction to POTA fans who have kept up with recent thinking on the franchise. From the doc "Behind the POTA" to the blu-ray docs to his commentary on the DVDs to his own book "POTA as American Myth", when it comes to POTA, as Henry Ford said in "The Grapes of Wrath", he'll be there. And personally I think Eric has added a lot to the discussion, so sue me.
Anyway, here's his comments mostly on the original POTA but he does mention "Rise" (which he doesn't feel is as risk taking as the originals but it's a start).

http://www.jewishjournal.com/the_ticket/item/pja_and_jfsj_regional_director_eric_greene_discusses_planet_of_the_apes_vid/
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Group: pota Message: 65483 From: chimel23@comcast.net Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Comics archive
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Thank you, whoever's putting up the old POTA comics on the group archive. Do you plan to put up any of the other comics later on? I'm really wanting to read Revolution, but I don't think the comic shop I frequent could order that far back.

Mel
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Group: pota Message: 65484 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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POTA2001 did most of it's business before word of mouth killed it. "Rise" is "holding" better because it's audience doesn't drop as drastically week to week(good word of mouth). POTA2001 had the benefit of a better economy and a bigger marketing push. This summer the movies aren't making their big money in the U.S., it's overseas.


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 4:03 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" no longer top banana



Rise is doing well, but THIS well?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3254&p=.htm

"It was business as usual for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which... continued to hold much better than Planet of the Apes (2001). Rise dipped 43 percent to an estimated $4.65 million, growing its (U.S.) sum to $122.1 million in 15 days."

ME: POTA2001 grossed around $180 domestically in 2001 dollars. Rise is holding "much better"? Or is that suggestion little more than a media concoction? I'm asking with genuine ignorance, while hoping that Rise will continue to succeed :-)

But according to my calculations, Rise will have to bring in over a hundred million dollars more, DOMESTICALLY, just to MATCH POTA 2001 (when adjusting for inflation)...
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Group: pota Message: 65485 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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Look at it this way, GeorgeTaylor68....
 
As of today, RISE has a Worldwide gross of $256,464,000.
 
It's been out for only seventeen days.
 
Nuff said.
 
-- Rory68



-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 21, 2011 7:41 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" no longer top banana

 
Rise is doing well, but THIS well?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3254&p=.htm

"It was business as usual for Rise of the Planet of the Apes, which... continued to hold much better than Planet of the Apes (2001). Rise dipped 43 percent to an estimated $4.65 million, growing its (U.S.) sum to $122.1 million in 15 days."

ME: POTA2001 grossed around $180 domestically in 2001 dollars. Rise is holding "much better"? Or is that suggestion little more than a media concoction? I'm asking with genuine ignorance, while hoping that Rise will continue to succeed :-)

But according to my calculations, Rise will have to bring in over a hundred million dollars more, DOMESTICALLY, just to MATCH POTA 2001 (when adjusting for inflation)...

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Group: pota Message: 65486 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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POTA2001 did most of it's business before word of mouth killed it. "Rise" is "holding" better because it's audience doesn't drop as drastically week to week(good word of mouth). POTA2001 had the benefit of a better economy and a bigger marketing push. This summer the movies aren't making their big money in the U.S., it's overseas.


In the decade since its release (that's ten years), POTA2001 has a worldwide gross of $362,211,740.
 
In the eighteen days since its release, RISE has a worldwide gross of $256,464,000.
 
I told everyone here WEEKS AGO that RISE was going to be HUGE!
 
Now shut up and just watch the money roll in.
 
Geez!  Humans!
 
-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 65487 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
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Make of this what you will, but one thing it shows is that there's a new found interest out there for the original APES films thanks to RISE, even on Netflix right now, the Blu-ray of PLANET is on a "Very Long Wait."
 
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Group: pota Message: 65488 From: pgwalsh65 Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Ape fans in London
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Hi, My name is Peter, are there any Apes fans in London,who would like to get in touch?
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Group: pota Message: 65489 From: ben.jarrell Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Excited about my POTA poster
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I have wanted a POTA one-sheet for some time now, and while searching for them on eBay I came across this version for a 2008 Alamo Drafthouse showing. I really love the design of this print, and ending up buying the limited edition variant (only 10 made, I think) that utilized metallic inks. The image is of Zaius (or possibly the Lawgiver) and is composed of tiny ape-glyphs. I am really excited about it and can't wait to get it framed, and I figured who else would appreciate it as much as this group.

http://www.filmonpaper.com/posters/planet-of-the-apes-silkscreen-todd-slater-variant-usa/

Ben
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Group: pota Message: 65490 From: JohnM conquest-idor Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
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The Planet one sheet from 1968 that sold in perfect shape for about 750-1100 dollars on auction sites are doing just what a great new Ape movie should do. They are selling for 1200-2000 dollars now and GETTING it. My perfect Three sheet was offered to me for 3 grand. My thought is to wait for the sequels but if they bomb the posters might. Gambling oye...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> Make of this what you will, but one thing it shows is that there's a new found interest out there for the original APES films thanks to RISE, even on Netflix right now, the Blu-ray of PLANET is on a "Very Long Wait."
>
> http://blogs.crikey.com.au/cinetology/2011/08/18/classic-or-clunker-exploring-beneath-the-planet-of-the-apes/
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Group: pota Message: 65491 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
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It never makes sense when they use the TV series apes to promote the
original films... In this case they used Councilor Zaius...



In a message dated 8/22/2011 3:33:29 PM Central Daylight Time,
ben.jarrell@... writes:


> I have wanted a POTA one-sheet for some time now, and while searching for
> them on eBay I came across this version for a 2008 Alamo Drafthouse
> showing. I really love the design of this print, and ending up buying the limited
> edition variant (only 10 made, I think) that utilized metallic inks. The
> image is of Zaius (or possibly the Lawgiver) and is composed of tiny
> ape-glyphs. I am really excited about it and can't wait to get it framed, and I
> figured who else would appreciate it as much as this group.
>
>

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Group: pota Message: 65492 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
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That's very beautiful.


From: ben.jarrell
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:15 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Excited about my POTA poster



I have wanted a POTA one-sheet for some time now, and while searching for them on eBay I came across this version for a 2008 Alamo Drafthouse showing. I really love the design of this print, and ending up buying the limited edition variant (only 10 made, I think) that utilized metallic inks. The image is of Zaius (or possibly the Lawgiver) and is composed of tiny ape-glyphs. I am really excited about it and can't wait to get it framed, and I figured who else would appreciate it as much as this group.

http://www.filmonpaper.com/posters/planet-of-the-apes-silkscreen-todd-slater-variant-usa/

Ben
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Group: pota Message: 65493 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
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Does it have to be either or? Maybe it's a classic clunker.

Maybe we can make "The Help" dust it off when "Rise" is # 1 again.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:22 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes




Make of this what you will, but one thing it shows is that there's a new found interest out there for the original APES films thanks to RISE, even on Netflix right now, the Blu-ray of PLANET is on a "Very Long Wait."

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/cinetology/2011/08/18/classic-or-clunker-exploring-beneath-the-planet-of-the-apes/
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Group: pota Message: 65494 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
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If I recall correctly, there was 100 prints made. The ones I have seen have a different colored background, so perhaps this one is one of the 10 in metallic prints.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

That's very beautiful.

From: ben.jarrell
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:15 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Excited about my POTA poster



I have wanted a POTA one-sheet for some time now, and while searching for them on eBay I came across this version for a 2008 Alamo Drafthouse showing. I really love the design of this print, and ending up buying the limited edition variant (only 10 made, I think) that utilized metallic inks. The image is of Zaius (or possibly the Lawgiver) and is composed of tiny ape-glyphs. I am really excited about it and can't wait to get it framed, and I figured who else would appreciate it as much as this group.

http://www.filmonpaper.com/posters/planet-of-the-apes-silkscreen-todd-slater-variant-usa/

Ben


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Group: pota Message: 65495 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/22/2011
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I have one in orange and red...it's very cool!


From: jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Excited about my POTA poster

 
If I recall correctly, there was 100 prints made.  The ones I have seen have a different colored background, so perhaps this one is one of the 10 in metallic prints.

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Group: pota Message: 65496 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/22/2011
Subject: Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes bu
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I am sorry to hear of your Dad as well, John....my mother is in full swing with dementia and doesn't seem to know who we are....very sad and strange.....
take care.....get in as many good times  with your Dad as you can....
Tim


From: knightangel314 <chimel23@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:00 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Sorry James if I caused any problems! Very important Not apes but has to be told

 
Yeah, it's okay. Sorry to hear about your dad.

I had a recent hack too, but it doesn't appear this list got the spam that went out. Mine was a combo of a problem Comcast needs to address and the fact that I shouldn't have used my email password as my Facebook password. Luckily, there were no viruses and I got it taken care of.

Mel
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Group: pota Message: 65497 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
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The Planet one sheet from 1968 that sold in perfect shape for about 750-1100 dollars on auction sites are doing just what a great new Ape movie should do. They are selling for 1200-2000 dollars now and GETTING it. My perfect Three sheet was offered to me for 3 grand. My thought is to wait for the sequels but if they bomb the posters might. Gambling oye...John M.


Gee, I wonder how much I could ask for my linen-backed PLANET 6-sheet?

-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 65498 From: JohnM conquest-idor Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Classic or clunker? Dusting off Beneath the Planet of the Apes
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Thats a beutifull poster. I have 6 sheets of all the apes but POTA68. 6 sheets in many cases start to drop in prices because of their cumbersome size. But their are exceptions and im sure a POTA linen backed 6 sheet from POTA68 is one of them. Take care my friend, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> The Planet one sheet from 1968 that sold in perfect shape for about 750-1100 dollars on auction sites are doing just what a great new Ape movie should do. They are selling for 1200-2000 dollars now and GETTING it. My perfect Three sheet was offered to me for 3 grand. My thought is to wait for the sequels but if they bomb the posters might. Gambling oye...John M.
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> Gee, I wonder how much I could ask for my linen-backed PLANET 6-sheet?
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> -- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 65499 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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Overall I don't think the market has changed that much since 2001
In 10 years we see POTA 2001 ranking #10th biggest movie of 2001 at $180 M
this year the #10 biggest movie of 2011 will also make about $180 M
due to inflation you could say the market is technically weaker
but simply put as much as I want RISE to do better than POTA2001 it's just not likely going to get there
its amazing to see how much hype the 2001 movie had that it drew so many people to theatres
Its simply had a bigger opening weekend than RISE and the numbers simply were bigger
 
It's sound funny to say but the 2001 movie is the most successful out of all 7 apes films !
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Group: pota Message: 65500 From: James Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

B-Movies Extended: Why Movie Trilogies Suck (or Don't)
Crave Online
For those already familiar with the Planet of the Apes chronology, it can already be seen as the seventh film in a series, and takes place somewhere between Escape from the Planet of the Apes and Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, so making any more ...
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Betrayal of the Planet of the Apes
Comic Book Movie
This weekend Rise of the Planet of the Apes has increased its global box office take to $257 million (over $70 million in profit) and everybody is going Apes crazy, including BOOM! Studios which has announced a new Apes mini-series. ...
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Comic Book Movie

Orangutan uses wet towel to cool down
Telegraph.co.uk
After watching the footage one viewer commented: "This short clip is better than the new movie Planet of the Apes". Apes share 99 per cent of human genes and regularly use "tools" to solve problems. Studies have shown wild orangutans use weapons such ...
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Group: pota Message: 65501 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: "Rise" no longer top banana
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That's the U.S. and that's the troubled economy. There weren't movies making a $ billion in 2001 ("Titanic" had reached it) and there's 3 this summer. The foreign markets have greatly expanded since then.


From: Terry Hoknes
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 2:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" no longer top banana




Overall I don't think the market has changed that much since 2001
In 10 years we see POTA 2001 ranking #10th biggest movie of 2001 at $180 M
this year the #10 biggest movie of 2011 will also make about $180 M
due to inflation you could say the market is technically weaker
but simply put as much as I want RISE to do better than POTA2001 it's just not likely going to get there
its amazing to see how much hype the 2001 movie had that it drew so many people to theatres
Its simply had a bigger opening weekend than RISE and the numbers simply were bigger

It's sound funny to say but the 2001 movie is the most successful out of all 7 apes films !
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Group: pota Message: 65502 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: A Timeline and Exploration of the Original 'Planet of the Apes' Fran
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At least this writer sees the obvious, though I don't agree with 3955 over 3978...
 
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Group: pota Message: 65503 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: The Sound of 'Rise'
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Group: pota Message: 65504 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Zira Lives!
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After all these years Zira is as beautiful as ever (and the humans are still so damned ugly!).

http://www.apecentral.net/2011/08/zira-at-wondercon-whats-she-looking-for-in-a-man-or-an-ape.html"
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Group: pota Message: 65505 From: James Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: FW: ape drive-in ad
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Subject: ape drive-in ad

dear group, i found a drive-in theatre ad from 1973. it is from munice, indiana from william burge
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Group: pota Message: 65506 From: Benjamin Jarrell Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Excited about my POTA poster
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You can check out his work here: http://www.toddslater.net/

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On Aug 22, 2011, at 6:15 PM, jessica rotich wrote:

 

If I recall correctly, there was 100 prints made.  The ones I have seen have a different colored background, so perhaps this one is one of the 10 in metallic prints.

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
 

That's very beautiful.

From: ben.jarrell
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 12:15 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Excited about my POTA poster



I have wanted a POTA one-sheet for some time now, and while searching for them on eBay I came across this version for a 2008 Alamo Drafthouse showing. I really love the design of this print, and ending up buying the limited edition variant (only 10 made, I think) that utilized metallic inks. The image is of Zaius (or possibly the Lawgiver) and is composed of tiny ape-glyphs. I am really excited about it and can't wait to get it framed, and I figured who else would appreciate it as much as this group.

http://www.filmonpaper.com/posters/planet-of-the-apes-silkscreen-todd-slater-variant-usa/

Ben




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Group: pota Message: 65507 From: branchbrood Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: I Gotta Tell You The Truth...
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From the moment I first heard the Fox Chairman(can't remember his name) announce during the Fox Movie Channel Marathon that the studio was "in production" on an "All New" Apes film to be released sometime in 2011,well I was less then thrilled.See The original POTA has always been my favorite movie of all time,believe it or not I don't even mind Battle lol Anyhoo I, like many other kids spent quite a few 4th grade lunches out on the playground trading Apes Gum Cards with other fanboys,building the Addar Model Kits and Staging Conquests with my POTA Mego action figures all while not missing a single issue of the Marvel Magazine or the CBS TV series! So all that being said even being that much of a geek I was STILL able to marry and later mate with a REAL woman (Geeks can find each other lol) well, we have three amazing kids aged daughter 15,son 12 and daughter 7 when we were naming our boy I and the wifey thought "Taylor" was perfect! So awhile later I took the boy to see the Tim Burton's travesty I figured it be nice for him to hear and see his name upon the silver screen,But what was this? Leo Davidson? Marky F#*%ing Mark I was horrified It was then I swore I'd NEVER give Fox another dime of my money Even IF they got Eva Mendez to do a porno! So now Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes arrives to theaters and I wasted quite a bit of Facebook space stating how I'd rather drop my genitals into a taffy pulling machine then suffer through those CGI Apes lol Okay,So out here in the Forbidden Zone of Naples Fl. there's only one Multiplex and for her birthday my oldest Daughter Karina (we had considered Nova for a name lol) Anyhoo,she wanted to go see some crap with her friends called Final Destination part 25 or something I dunno, So I was gonna just drop her and the other gals off and since it's another trip across town I decided what the hell I'll stay and see something.We saw Capt. America already,Never liked Smurfs and Will wait for The Help on DVD so that left me with just CGI Ceaser,Okay why not just don't expect much...And about an Hour and a half later I really felt as though I'd seen the begining of The Planet Of The Apes! The lil' Easter Eggs like Names "Dodge Landon" or "Brighteyes" there's other stuff too but I don't wanna give spoilers So what started for me as a film to be mocked as turned out to be one of the best movies of the summer if not EVER!

John
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Group: pota Message: 65508 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been bette
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If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...



--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "branchbrood" <branchbrood@...> wrote:
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> From the moment I first heard the Fox Chairman(can't remember his name) announce during the Fox Movie Channel Marathon that the studio was "in production" on an "All New" Apes film to be released sometime in 2011,well I was less then thrilled.See The original POTA has always been my favorite movie of all time,believe it or not I don't even mind Battle lol Anyhoo I, like many other kids spent quite a few 4th grade lunches out on the playground trading Apes Gum Cards with other fanboys,building the Addar Model Kits and Staging Conquests with my POTA Mego action figures all while not missing a single issue of the Marvel Magazine or the CBS TV series! So all that being said even being that much of a geek I was STILL able to marry and later mate with a REAL woman (Geeks can find each other lol) well, we have three amazing kids aged daughter 15,son 12 and daughter 7 when we were naming our boy I and the wifey thought "Taylor" was perfect! So awhile later I took the boy to see the Tim Burton's travesty I figured it be nice for him to hear and see his name upon the silver screen,But what was this? Leo Davidson? Marky F#*%ing Mark I was horrified It was then I swore I'd NEVER give Fox another dime of my money Even IF they got Eva Mendez to do a porno! So now Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes arrives to theaters and I wasted quite a bit of Facebook space stating how I'd rather drop my genitals into a taffy pulling machine then suffer through those CGI Apes lol Okay,So out here in the Forbidden Zone of Naples Fl. there's only one Multiplex and for her birthday my oldest Daughter Karina (we had considered Nova for a name lol) Anyhoo,she wanted to go see some crap with her friends called Final Destination part 25 or something I dunno, So I was gonna just drop her and the other gals off and since it's another trip across town I decided what the hell I'll stay and see something.We saw Capt. America already,Never liked Smurfs and Will wait for The Help on DVD so that left me with just CGI Ceaser,Okay why not just don't expect much...And about an Hour and a half later I really felt as though I'd seen the begining of The Planet Of The Apes! The lil' Easter Eggs like Names "Dodge Landon" or "Brighteyes" there's other stuff too but I don't wanna give spoilers So what started for me as a film to be mocked as turned out to be one of the best movies of the summer if not EVER!
>
> John
>
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Group: pota Message: 65509 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 8/23/2011
Subject: Re: Zira Lives!
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Go Jess!!!!

Tim


From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Zira Lives!

 
  After all these years Zira is as beautiful as ever (and the humans are still so damned ugly!).
 


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Group: pota Message: 65510 From: drhasslein Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: Francis
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

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> The scenes they show are, I believe, all credited at the end of the movie, but I'll have to wait until I get the Blu-ray.
>
> By the way, Hunter, I don't agree with your statement to the BBC that RISE is just a Fox movie with "Planet of the Apes" slapped on the title. No, it may not have the kind of strong links to the older movies, and it may not credit Pierre Boulle along with the screenwriters, but it's an APES movie.
>
> -- Rory
>
Revised sacred scroll verse...

Embrace the beast man,
For he is the devil's carrier
Along among God's primates he kills by cough, or sneeze, or scratch
Yea, he will murder his brother by flying to his brothers land
Let him breed in great numbers,
For his home will soon be yours
Love him
Invite him to your jungle lair
For he is the harbinger of intellect
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Group: pota Message: 65511 From: aquaboi@sbcglobal.net Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: the tyrant
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just got done watching that episode from tv's planet of the apes series.
i came with a gift i made of a paper model of the almighty bomb for you mutants to bear your true selves to! lol
well, i have to admit im an apes fan...
owell, just keep moving, its hard to hit a moving target.
dont let the apes hear you talking, they will capture you if you do, and dissect you, and kill you, in that order.
jim
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Group: pota Message: 65512 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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Not that much better.  But Liam Neeson?  Maybe.
 
 
In a message dated 8/23/2011 2:29:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:
If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...
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Group: pota Message: 65513 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: I Gotta Tell You The Truth...
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So what started for me as a film to be mocked as turned out to be one of the best movies of the summer if not EVER!

John


It wasn't as good as the original, but it sure beats BATTLE.
 
-- Rory
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Group: pota Message: 65514 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...


Matt Damon read the script and knew it was crap.  AND IT IS CRAP!!!!
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Group: pota Message: 65515 From: James Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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FYI

 

Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

 

Imagine a Planet of the Apes
Kalkion (blog)
The premise is interesting and not so far-fetched as it was at the time of the original movie, given what our laboratories achieve. So I expected an engaging narrative around hyper-intelligent apes demonstrating how to outsmart the humans by being ...
See all stories on this topic »

Hulk And Agents Of Atlas' Gabriel Hardman Gets His Hands On Some Damn Dirty Apes
The Outhouse
s sold out, bestselling PLANET OF THE APES ongoing series comes BETRAYAL OF THE PLANET OF THE APES — a brand new four issue mini-series co-written and drawn by Gabriel Hardman, best known to fans for his series-defining work on HULK and AGENTS OF ...
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Fact-Checking The Rise of the Planet of the Apes: How Many Apes Live in San ...
Slate Magazine (blog)
By Nina Shen Rastogi [Mild spoiler alert.] In the film's big, climactic set piece, Caesar (Andy Serkis) and his ape followers gather up all the other apes in San Francisco—from zoos, labs, and a primate shelter—and go rampaging across the Golden Gate ...
See all stories on this topic »


Slate Magazine (blog)

Imagine a Planet of the Apes
Kalkion (blog)
The premise is interesting and not so far-fetched as it was at the time of the original movie, given what our laboratories achieve. So I expected an engaging narrative around hyper-intelligent apes demonstrating how to outsmart the humans by being ...
See all stories on this topic »

VOTD: The Sound of 'Rise of the Planet of the Apes'
/FILM (blog)
Now entering its third week of release, several things have contributed to making Rise of the Planet of the Apes one of the summer's surprise hits. The general, overall positive buzz is one. An award-worthy, performance capture turn by Andy Serkis as ...
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Planet of the Apes among new comic reviews | Comic Proportions ...
By Carlton Hargro
Planet of the Apes
No. 4: I can't remember if I've already recommended this series, but you should definitely be picking it up. And, yes, I'm as surprised as anyone else that a comic about a franchise that I'm pretty tired of could be ...
Creative Loafing Charlotte

 

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Group: pota Message: 65516 From: Bill Hollweg Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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better script would have helped first.

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 11:21 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Not that much better. But Liam Neeson? Maybe.
In a message dated 8/23/2011 2:29:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:
If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...




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Group: pota Message: 65517 From: gort65 Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...
>


I think that the script and direction were the main problems with PotA2001 rather than just Mark Wahlberg, so I don't really think it would have improved that much if Matt Damon had of been Leo. He's a better actor than Wahlberg, for sure, but I don't think Wahlberg was the main problem here. Wahlberg did do some good work in Boogie Nights and Three Kings prior to PotA2001, and has done some reasonable stuff since (and a few turkeys), so he can act better than he did in Burton's film. I also feel that he was actually asked to act so unengaging and unemotional, which, if so, would be the director's fault. I think I read somewhere a while back that Burton wanted Wahlberg to play understated, but it seems he didn't include wanting the subtlety that needs to go with it for it to work. Still, my point is that Wahlberg wasn't the biggest problem with the film and I don't think Damon would have added too much more.


Graham
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Group: pota Message: 65518 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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  Matt Damon turned it down to do "The Bourne Identity". A good choice, it gave him a franchise. But he was planning to do POTA2001 and expressed regret he couldn't. I'm sure everyone assumed they'd fix the script.

Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:49 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been better?

 


If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...


Matt Damon read the script and knew it was crap.  AND IT IS CRAP!!!!

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Group: pota Message: 65519 From: Matthew Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: PotA Comics Reprints?
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As Boom! has a new PotA comics series going, any rumors of reprints of previous PotA comics? (I'm surprised Dark Horse did not do this when they had the title. DH has done some great reprints of the old Marvel Conan series.)
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Group: pota Message: 65520 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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Matt Damon is an Oscar-winning screenwriter (and was then too) so he might have pulled a James Franciscus (who worked on the "Beneath" script; it was even worse!). They were up against the clock so there probably wouldn't have been a radical concept change but maybe Damon could've made Leo more interesting.
I agree, Wahlly did some good stuff before POTA2001 and I wasn't disappointed when he was cast. But he had a certain reverance for the director (director knows best) and I think Damon gets in there more, and really, has the cred as a, wait for it, Oscar-winning screenwriter to do so. Which he won with Ben ("Argo: The John Chambers Story") Affleck for "Good Will Hunting".


From: gort65
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:47 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been better?





--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...
>

I think that the script and direction were the main problems with PotA2001 rather than just Mark Wahlberg, so I don't really think it would have improved that much if Matt Damon had of been Leo. He's a better actor than Wahlberg, for sure, but I don't think Wahlberg was the main problem here. Wahlberg did do some good work in Boogie Nights and Three Kings prior to PotA2001, and has done some reasonable stuff since (and a few turkeys), so he can act better than he did in Burton's film. I also feel that he was actually asked to act so unengaging and unemotional, which, if so, would be the director's fault. I think I read somewhere a while back that Burton wanted Wahlberg to play understated, but it seems he didn't include wanting the subtlety that needs to go with it for it to work. Still, my point is that Wahlberg wasn't the biggest problem with the film and I don't think Damon would have added too much more.

Graham
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Group: pota Message: 65521 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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better script would have helped first.


Mark Wahlberg read the script.....
 
and people had to help him with the big words.
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Group: pota Message: 65522 From: gort65 Date: 8/24/2011
Subject: Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been b
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Matt Damon is an Oscar-winning screenwriter (and was then too) so he might have pulled a James Franciscus (who worked on the "Beneath" script; it was even worse!).

Two things I didn't know (the latter I should have, though). Cheers.

Considering that, I suppose that if Damon is more than an actor and has done some screenwriting, then that could have added a bit more to improving PotA2001, or, as you mention, at least not have gone slavishly along with the director and/or script. I just don't think that Wahlberg himself took away too much from what was a fairly flawed film to begin with.

Funny thing is, the first time I saw Wahlberg was on PotA2001, and I thought he stunk (whatever the excuse). From then on, I avoided his films. Then I got to see Three Kings (I was bored and nothing was on... and didn't feel like reading or putting on a DVD... that sort of day), and he did a reasonable performance. Then I saw I (heart) Huckabees, and liked him in that, so I began to think that his performance in PotA2001 might be more than just him being a bad actor and maybe someone influenced his style in the film (director). Then I saw him in Boogie Nights, and he's excellent in that film (really impressed me). I'm not a fan of his now, but I do think he's not a bad actor and can, if given the right direction, pull off a good job.

Still, Matt Damon is a far better actor, and seeing he's a screenwriter, too, then maybe you're right in saying that the film might possibly have been improved. Still, I doubt it'd had made a dramatic difference, but I suppose we'll never know.


Graham
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Here's something I've just uncovered...
 
Remember the British news commentator in ESCAPE? (Manned by monkeys!)
 
Well, I've been watching the DVDs of "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" TV series and I spotted the actor that played the British commentator in ESCAPE in the series final episode "No Way Out" first broadcast on March 31, 1968.
 
His name is William Beckley, and on IMDb.com it says he was born in 1930, is still alive, and has a long list of credits the most interesting of which are that he was in two episodes of the POTA TV series.
 
In the first episode "Escape From Tomorrow" he played someone named Grundig.  (Who was that?)
 
And he was in the final episode "Up Above The World So High" playing a Council Orang.
I found this interesting.
 
-- Rory
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i remember the gold key comix, and there were a few planet of the apes editions.
jim

From: Matthew <mistermysterioso@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:51 AM
Subject: [pota] PotA Comics Reprints?

 
As Boom! has a new PotA comics series going, any rumors of reprints of previous PotA comics? (I'm surprised Dark Horse did not do this when they had the title. DH has done some great reprints of the old Marvel Conan series.)



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In a parallel universe somewhere Wahlberg did Borne and Damon did POTA2K1.
 
 
In a message dated 8/24/2011 10:02:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:
 

Matt Damon is an Oscar-winning screenwriter (and was then too) so he might have pulled a James Franciscus (who worked on the "Beneath" script; it was even worse!). They were up against the clock so there probably wouldn't have been a radical concept change but maybe Damon could've made Leo more interesting.
I agree, Wahlly did some good stuff before POTA2001 and I wasn't disappointed when he was cast. But he had a certain reverance for the director (director knows best) and I think Damon gets in there more, and really, has the cred as a, wait for it, Oscar-winning screenwriter to do so. Which he won with Ben ("Argo: The John Chambers Story") Affleck for "Good Will Hunting".

From: gort65
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 5:47 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been better?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been? Unfortunately he had other commitments (Oceans 12 or whatever that sequel was called)...
>

I think that the script and direction were the main problems with PotA2001 rather than just Mark Wahlberg, so I don't really think it would have improved that much if Matt Damon had of been Leo. He's a better actor than Wahlberg, for sure, but I don't think Wahlberg was the main problem here. Wahlberg did do some good work in Boogie Nights and Three Kings prior to PotA2001, and has done some reasonable stuff since (and a few turkeys), so he can act better than he did in Burton's film. I also feel that he was actually asked to act so unengaging and unemotional, which, if so, would be the director's fault. I think I read somewhere a while back that Burton wanted Wahlberg to play understated, but it seems he didn't include wanting the subtlety that needs to go with it for it to work. Still, my point is that Wahlberg wasn't the biggest problem with the film and I don't think Damon would have added too much more.

Graham

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Eventually I will make a foam latex mask of this sculpt.

Jess.
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dear group, here are some ape photos. from william burge

 

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Guys and girls, where is this thread going?

Move on. Who would replace the cast of the TV series? Anything else.

Rob R


To: pota@yahoogroups.com
From: LordTZer0@...
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 17:56:41 -0400
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been...

 

 
In a parallel universe somewhere Wahlberg did Borne and Damon did POTA2K1.
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Wahlberg , however, is turning out to be a hell of a producer....He produces "Entourage" and the excellent "Boardwalk Empire"!


From: gort65 <gort65@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been better?

 


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Matt Damon is an Oscar-winning screenwriter (and was then too) so he might have pulled a James Franciscus (who worked on the "Beneath" script; it was even worse!).

Two things I didn't know (the latter I should have, though). Cheers.

Considering that, I suppose that if Damon is more than an actor and has done some screenwriting, then that could have added a bit more to improving PotA2001, or, as you mention, at least not have gone slavishly along with the director and/or script. I just don't think that Wahlberg himself took away too much from what was a fairly flawed film to begin with.

Funny thing is, the first time I saw Wahlberg was on PotA2001, and I thought he stunk (whatever the excuse). From then on, I avoided his films. Then I got to see Three Kings (I was bored and nothing was on... and didn't feel like reading or putting on a DVD... that sort of day), and he did a reasonable performance. Then I saw I (heart) Huckabees, and liked him in that, so I began to think that his performance in PotA2001 might be more than just him being a bad actor and maybe someone influenced his style in the film (director). Then I saw him in Boogie Nights, and he's excellent in that film (really impressed me). I'm not a fan of his now, but I do think he's not a bad actor and can, if given the right direction, pull off a good job.

Still, Matt Damon is a far better actor, and seeing he's a screenwriter, too, then maybe you're right in saying that the film might possibly have been improved. Still, I doubt it'd had made a dramatic difference, but I suppose we'll never know.

Graham



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cool! let's get an interview!


From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:41 PM
Subject: [pota] APES trivia

 
Here's something I've just uncovered...
 
Remember the British news commentator in ESCAPE? (Manned by monkeys!)
 
Well, I've been watching the DVDs of "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" TV series and I spotted the actor that played the British commentator in ESCAPE in the series final episode "No Way Out" first broadcast on March 31, 1968.
 
His name is William Beckley, and on IMDb.com it says he was born in 1930, is still alive, and has a long list of credits the most interesting of which are that he was in two episodes of the POTA TV series.
 
In the first episode "Escape From Tomorrow" he played someone named Grundig.  (Who was that?)
 
And he was in the final episode "Up Above The World So High" playing a Council Orang.
I found this interesting.
 
-- Rory


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Group: pota Message: 65533 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/25/2011
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  He also produced "The Fighter". Maybe he should get in his spaceship and go back in time and produce POTA2001.  : )

Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been better?

 

Wahlberg , however, is turning out to be a hell of a producer....He produces "Entourage" and the excellent "Boardwalk Empire"!


From: gort65 <gort65@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: [pota] Re: If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead, would it have been better?

 


--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Matt Damon is an
Oscar-winning screenwriter (and was then too) so he might have pulled a James Franciscus (who worked on the "Beneath" script; it was even worse!).

Two things I didn't know (the latter I should have, though). Cheers.

Considering that, I suppose that if Damon is more than an actor and has done some screenwriting, then that could have added a bit more to improving PotA2001, or, as you mention, at least not have gone slavishly along with the director and/or script. I just don't think that Wahlberg himself took away too much from what was a fairly flawed film to begin with.

Funny thing is, the first time I saw Wahlberg was on PotA2001, and I thought he stunk (whatever the excuse). From then on, I avoided his films. Then I got to see Three Kings (I was bored and nothing was on... and didn't feel like reading or putting on a DVD... that sort of day), and he did a reasonable performance. Then I saw I (heart) Huckabees, and liked him in that, so I began to think that his performance in PotA2001 might be more than just him being a bad actor and maybe someone influenced his style in the film (director). Then I saw him in Boogie Nights, and he's excellent in that film (really impressed me). I'm not a fan of his now, but I do think he's not a bad actor and can, if given the right direction, pull off a good job.

Still, Matt Damon is a far better actor, and seeing he's a screenwriter, too, then maybe you're right in saying that the film might possibly have been improved. Still, I doubt it'd had made a dramatic difference, but I suppose we'll never know.

Graham



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happy b-day tim!!!
jim

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 7:56 PM
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Reminder from:   pota Yahoo! Group
 
Title:   Tim Burton's Birthday
 
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Group: pota Message: 65535 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 8/25/2011
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I don't remember if that's the High Council orangutan or chimp that takes
part in the interrogation...



In a message dated 8/24/2011 1:09:53 PM Central Daylight Time,
Haristas@... writes:


> In the first episode "Escape From Tomorrow" he played someone named
> Grundig. (Who was that?)

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Group: pota Message: 65536 From: Blam Date: 8/25/2011
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It's a rights issue - those comics are tied up in legal nonsense with FOX and MArvel's old magazine distributor. Trust me, I tried to get them when I got the conspiracy rights...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew" <mistermysterioso@...> wrote:
>
> As Boom! has a new PotA comics series going, any rumors of reprints of previous PotA comics? (I'm surprised Dark Horse did not do this when they had the title. DH has done some great reprints of the old Marvel Conan series.)
>
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Group: pota Message: 65537 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/25/2011
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you would ask someone who works at the Fox archives. If the opportunity presented itself to you, what kinds of questions would you ask?


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You so pro you don't know.
 
 
In a message dated 8/24/2011 5:38:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jessicarotich@... writes:
Eventually I will make a foam latex mask of this sculpt.

Jess.
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"Turns out "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is the best action movie of the summer, which is something I didn't expect at all. The movement of the apes is so fluid, crisp and exciting — it's a genuine thrill to watch them swing from branches, crash through windows  . . ."
 
 
This was another that really bothered me.  You don't dive through a plate glass window like it's a waterfall. Usually you'd just bounce off it.  If you did manage to bust through it, you'd likely be cut to ribbons.
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Group: pota Message: 65540 From: johnroche49 Date: 8/25/2011
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It's a pity if that can't be done.DC have reprinted the Doc Savage b&w Marvels recently and, as mentioned, Conan's stuff is a reprint paradise--ditto Solomon Kane.It's doubly a pity as we now have some unpublished material and scripts that could really flesh out a reprint series with a commentary.Malibu reprinted 3 Marvel movie adaptations and 4 chapters of Terror, so it seems odd.It would be coold to see FHC in one volume.Some of the Marvel stuff is simply stunning and deserves to be seen again.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
>
> It's a rights issue - those comics are tied up in legal nonsense with FOX and MArvel's old magazine distributor. Trust me, I tried to get them when I got the conspiracy rights...
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew" <mistermysterioso@> wrote:
> >
> > As Boom! has a new PotA comics series going, any rumors of reprints of previous PotA comics? (I'm surprised Dark Horse did not do this when they had the title. DH has done some great reprints of the old Marvel Conan series.)
> >
>
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Group: pota Message: 65541 From: johnroche49 Date: 8/25/2011
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Who would I badger at FOX to get a novelisation of RISE at least considered? And how long do we think it will be before a sequel is announced officially? John, Scrolls.
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Group: pota Message: 65542 From: Marshall Date: 8/25/2011
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I was thinking along the same lines myself.

 

When should we expect graphic novels, pictorial hardbacks and that sort of thing?

 

 

 

From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnroche49
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 7:54 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] RISE PLEAS

 

 

Who would I badger at FOX to get a novelisation of RISE at least considered? And how long do we think it will be before a sequel is announced officially? John, Scrolls.

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Group: pota Message: 65543 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/25/2011
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There is an artist, known as Rainman, who is sculpting a 1:6 scale head of Caesar. The attachment shows a version that looks spectacular and I know that his final version will be stunning and will look exactly like Caesar. Cost for unpainted is $40 if you are a Sideshow Freaksboard member, $50 if not...and shipping to continental US will run you $30...so unpainted is $70...

This will also be offered painted, for a higher price. Just FYI.

Jess.

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:10 AM, Marshall <mgreythorne@...> wrote:

I was thinking along the same lines myself.

When should we expect graphic novels, pictorial hardbacks and that sort of thing?

From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of johnroche49
Sent: Thursday, 25 August 2011 7:54 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] RISE PLEAS

Who would I badger at FOX to get a novelisation of RISE at least considered? And how long do we think it will be before a sequel is announced officially? John, Scrolls.


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"To reenergize an idea there's a familiarity with, you need a unique, individualistic, iconoclastic filmmaker. Tim has that uncanny ability to walk the line between making very commercial films and yet very individualistic and distinctive films".

- - - Fox's Tom Rothman on why Tim Burton was chosen to make POTA2001

It's Tim Burton's birthday! And it's also the 10th anniversary month of POTA2001. Just as POTA fans are giddy about "Rise of the POTA", exactly 10 years ago they were giggling, "Have YOU seen the latest POTA2001 comic?" or "How many times have YOU seen POTA2001?". No they weren't. Tim Burton and POTA fans didn't exactly hit it off. But Burton's movie has it's admirers and I've always felt the hatred for the film has been over the top (It's not the worst POTA movie). Burton's career has been in the dumps creatively ever since but flicks like "Big Fish" and "Sweeney Todd" keep me a fan.
Anyway, the 2006 revised edition of Mark Salisbury's interview book "Burton on Burton" has a segment on POTA2001 and I wanted to share some quotes Burton made a few years removed from the movie. It's his birthday so give the devil his due. : )

"I'd probably say that it's the first project I've been involved with where I knew it was... not a mistake, as such, but that it was the most dangerous, because it's based on a movie I loved growing up. And it's a classic, and that's like the first rule of thumb - - "Don't try to remake a classic"... (but) I had an affection for the material and I had that thing that I sometimes get on a project, which is a perverse fascination of attempting something you probably shouldn't do".

"I saw POTA as a kid and loved it. It had a lot of impact. And I saw pretty much all the sequels. So I was a fan, but at the same time one of the things that made me feel it was OK to do another version was that it wasn't a remake - - because you can't remake that film. If people like it so much, like I do, then you just go back and watch it... and I feel in a certain way you really can't beat it. But knowing that this wasn't necessarily a remake was helpful - - because then you just focus on the material".

"What was intriguing to me about it was the simplicity of the idea - - the reversal. I've done a lot of stuff with masks and makeup, but there was something about the ape/human thing that was primal".

William Broyles the screenwriter created the POTA2001 universe with an eye toward divorcing it from the original movie. Burton liked Broyles original script and that's what he signed on for but it was then deemed too expensive; it was more sci-fi oriented and included 3 battles (as if more battles would have made the movie better; I think the battle is the weakest part of the film). Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal were brought on to rewrite it.

"And then you get involved and you get it budgeted and it's something like $800 million (to make Broyles' script)... it was one of those projects that got into that unfortunate Hollywood spin cycle where there's a release date and a script that the studio likes but it's too much, and so you spend months and months not really working on a project but trying to cut a budget. You hear of it happening all the time in Hollywood - - why I don't learn my lesson I don't know. I hope I have now, finally. And it only seems to happen on big-budgeted movies. It happened on "Batman"."

"I think I was more intrigued by the idea of it than I was by the thing in itself. And if I searched deep down in my soul, if I had to start all over, I would probably do a completely different kind of movie with it... I'd start the whole thing from scratch, it would be a completely different movie with completely different types of characters. Maybe."

"...it's a Hollywood thing. There's a momentum going, and it's so hard to get projects going that you get caught up in the groundswell of it. And then I started to get into a kind of angry-mode... counterproductive to making the movie. It started to turn into something else, it kind of mutated in a way".

"You give it your best, but it's my own fault for going down that route. I guess I felt, and it's not necessarily a positive thing, that I'd done it before with "Batman". But it's really not a good way to work and you don't end up saving money, plus you end up aging and wasting time and energy and your health declines... I felt like I was spending so much time fighting these conflicting forces that by the time I was doing it, I was just "doing it" in a way. Which isn't to say that every day I didn't try to find something in it for me, because otherwise I couldn't do it. But by that point you feel like an athlete that gets the shit beaten out of you before a race, and then you're expected to go win".

"I wanted to keep it serious but you couldn't do that. The point is not to make it the same... The intention was never for it to be jokey-jokey. But that's maybe me... there's a certain retro thing inside me, and why it comes out in a certain way, I'm not sure."

POTA2001 introduced Burton to two very important people: the love of his life (and leading lady in all of his films since) Helena Bonham Carter; and Richard Zanuck, who greenlit the original as head of Fox and has produced almost every Burton film since. On Zanuck: "I love Richard - - he's fantastic... He amazes me. For somebody who's done and seen so much, he's not jaded and I admire that. I'm a lot more jaded than he is, and if I'd been through what he has, I don't know if I could still do it. But he still maintains a certain innocence... This guy was hired by his father, then fired by his father, and he's got a sense of humor about it, he's hilarious about it... And the idea he ran the studio, then he came back to the studio to do (POTA2001) and they don't even know who he is... it's surreal. But he's seen it all and therefore he's somebody who has what I think is lacking these days - - he's completely supportive of the filmmaker... To grow up with a father who was one of the people who started the whole business, to be head of the studio, then get canned, then become a successful producer and kind of span generations - - he's really seen it all".

"(I liked) the juxtaposition of the ape-outsider and the human-outsider (in the movie). But I also wanted to explore a bit more of the ape-like aspects of it, and their movement... I like people who act like animals or vise-versa (Batman, Catwoman and the Penguin are examples)... there is something about it I feel is important or is something I relate to somehow. It's just that primal, internal, animal instinct... this was a juxtaposition of that, along with the flip-flopping of my brain that doesn't necessarily have a conscious or verbal reasoning. There were also some technical things that I was interested in exploring: just doing a little bit of ape research and trying to give them a bit more of a weird mixture of ape mannerisms, and weave that into the reversal".




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Like wild animals they're smelling blood. Maybe they were injured but during the adrenaline rush it's hard to notice.
Breaking glass is Hollywood Rule # 1 for excitement!


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"Turns out "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" is the best action movie of the summer, which is something I didn't expect at all. The movement of the apes is so fluid, crisp and exciting — it's a genuine thrill to watch them swing from branches, crash through windows . . ."


This was another that really bothered me. You don't dive through a plate glass window like it's a waterfall. Usually you'd just bounce off it. If you did manage to bust through it, you'd likely be cut to ribbons.
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Group: pota Message: 65546 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 8/25/2011
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Just when you thought it was save..... Thanks a lot for this reminder of a movie that should be, and deserves to be, LONG FORGOTTEN!
 
Now let's not ever mention this thing again!  I BEG YOU!!!!!!



-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 1:17 pm
Subject: [pota] Burton on POTA2001

 
"To reenergize an idea there's a familiarity with, you need a unique, individualistic, iconoclastic filmmaker. Tim has that uncanny ability to walk the line between making very commercial films and yet very individualistic and distinctive films".

- - - Fox's Tom Rothman on why Tim Burton was chosen to make POTA2001

It's Tim Burton's birthday! And it's also the 10th anniversary month of POTA2001. Just as POTA fans are giddy about "Rise of the POTA", exactly 10 years ago they were giggling, "Have YOU seen the latest POTA2001 comic?" or "How many times have YOU seen POTA2001?". No they weren't. Tim Burton and POTA fans didn't exactly hit it off. But Burton's movie has it's admirers and I've always felt the hatred for the film has been over the top (It's not the worst POTA movie). Burton's career has been in the dumps creatively ever since but flicks like "Big Fish" and "Sweeney Todd" keep me a fan.
Anyway, the 2006 revised edition of Mark Salisbury's interview book "Burton on Burton" has a segment on POTA2001 and I wanted to share some quotes Burton made a few years removed from the movie. It's his birthday so give the devil his due. : )

"I'd probably say that it's the first project I've been involved with where I knew it was... not a mistake, as such, but that it was the most dangerous, because it's based on a movie I loved growing up. And it's a classic, and that's like the first rule of thumb - - "Don't try to remake a classic"... (but) I had an affection for the material and I had that thing that I sometimes get on a project, which is a perverse fascination of attempting something you probably shouldn't do".

"I saw POTA as a kid and loved it. It had a lot of impact. And I saw pretty much all the sequels. So I was a fan, but at the same time one of the things that made me feel it was OK to do another version was that it wasn't a remake - - because you can't remake that film. If people like it so much, like I do, then you just go back and watch it... and I feel in a certain way you really can't beat it. But knowing that this wasn't necessarily a remake was helpful - - because then you just focus on the material".

"What was intriguing to me about it was the simplicity of the idea - - the reversal. I've done a lot of stuff with masks and makeup, but there was something about the ape/human thing that was primal".

William Broyles the screenwriter created the POTA2001 universe with an eye toward divorcing it from the original movie. Burton liked Broyles original script and that's what he signed on for but it was then deemed too expensive; it was more sci-fi oriented and included 3 battles (as if more battles would have made the movie better; I think the battle is the weakest part of the film). Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal were brought on to rewrite it.

"And then you get involved and you get it budgeted and it's something like $800 million (to make Broyles' script)... it was one of those projects that got into that unfortunate Hollywood spin cycle where there's a release date and a script that the studio likes but it's too much, and so you spend months and months not really working on a project but trying to cut a budget. You hear of it happening all the time in Hollywood - - why I don't learn my lesson I don't know. I hope I have now, finally. And it only seems to happen on big-budgeted movies. It happened on "Batman"."

"I think I was more intrigued by the idea of it than I was by the thing in itself. And if I searched deep down in my soul, if I had to start all over, I would probably do a completely different kind of movie with it... I'd start the whole thing from scratch, it would be a completely different movie with completely different types of characters. Maybe."

"...it's a Hollywood thing. There's a momentum going, and it's so hard to get projects going that you get caught up in the groundswell of it. And then I started to get into a kind of angry-mode... counterproductive to making the movie. It started to turn into something else, it kind of mutated in a way".

"You give it your best, but it's my own fault for going down that route. I guess I felt, and it's not necessarily a positive thing, that I'd done it before with "Batman". But it's really not a good way to work and you don't end up saving money, plus you end up aging and wasting time and energy and your health declines... I felt like I was spending so much time fighting these conflicting forces that by the time I was doing it, I was just "doing it" in a way. Which isn't to say that every day I didn't try to find something in it for me, because otherwise I couldn't do it. But by that point you feel like an athlete that gets the shit beaten out of you before a race, and then you're expected to go win".

"I wanted to keep it serious but you couldn't do that. The point is not to make it the same... The intention was never for it to be jokey-jokey. But that's maybe me... there's a certain retro thing inside me, and why it comes out in a certain way, I'm not sure."

POTA2001 introduced Burton to two very important people: the love of his life (and leading lady in all of his films since) Helena Bonham Carter; and Richard Zanuck, who greenlit the original as head of Fox and has produced almost every Burton film since. On Zanuck: "I love Richard - - he's fantastic... He amazes me. For somebody who's done and seen so much, he's not jaded and I admire that. I'm a lot more jaded than he is, and if I'd been through what he has, I don't know if I could still do it. But he still maintains a certain innocence... This guy was hired by his father, then fired by his father, and he's got a sense of humor about it, he's hilarious about it... And the idea he ran the studio, then he came back to the studio to do (POTA2001) and they don't even know who he is... it's surreal. But he's seen it all and therefore he's somebody who has what I think is lacking these days - - he's completely supportive of the filmmaker... To grow up with a father who was on e of the people who started the whole business, to be head of the studio, then get canned, then become a successful producer and kind of span generations - - he's really seen it all".

"(I liked) the juxtaposition of the ape-outsider and the human-outsider (in the movie). But I also wanted to explore a bit more of the ape-like aspects of it, and their movement... I like people who act like animals or vise-versa (Batman, Catwoman and the Penguin are examples)... there is something about it I feel is important or is something I relate to somehow. It's just that primal, internal, animal instinct... this was a juxtaposition of that, along with the flip-flopping of my brain that doesn't necessarily have a conscious or verbal reasoning. There were also some technical things that I was interested in exploring: just doing a little bit of ape research and trying to give them a bit more of a weird mixture of ape mannerisms, and weave that into the reversal".

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Group: pota Message: 65547 From: jessica rotich Date: 8/25/2011
Subject: Re: Burton on POTA2001
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have....pity....


:P

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 10:23 AM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Just when you thought it was save..... Thanks a lot for this reminder of a movie that should be, and deserves to be, LONG FORGOTTEN!
Now let's not ever mention this thing again! I BEG YOU!!!!!!



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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 25, 2011 1:17 pm
Subject: [pota] Burton on POTA2001

"To reenergize an idea there's a familiarity with, you need a unique, individualistic, iconoclastic filmmaker. Tim has that uncanny ability to walk the line between making very commercial films and yet very individualistic and distinctive films".

- - - Fox's Tom Rothman on why Tim Burton was chosen to make POTA2001

It's Tim Burton's birthday! And it's also the 10th anniversary month of POTA2001. Just as POTA fans are giddy about "Rise of the POTA", exactly 10 years ago they were giggling, "Have YOU seen the latest POTA2001 comic?" or "How many times have YOU seen POTA2001?". No they weren't. Tim Burton and POTA fans didn't exactly hit it off. But Burton's movie has it's admirers and I've always felt the hatred for the film has been over the top (It's not the worst POTA movie). Burton's career has been in the dumps creatively ever since but flicks like "Big Fish" and "Sweeney Todd" keep me a fan.
Anyway, the 2006 revised edition of Mark Salisbury's interview book "Burton on Burton" has a segment on POTA2001 and I wanted to share some quotes Burton made a few years removed from the movie. It's his birthday so give the devil his due. : )

"I'd probably say that it's the first project I've been involved with where I knew it was... not a mistake, as such, but that it was the most dangerous, because it's based on a movie I loved growing up. And it's a classic, and that's like the first rule of thumb - - "Don't try to remake a classic"... (but) I had an affection for the material and I had that thing that I sometimes get on a project, which is a perverse fascination of attempting something you probably shouldn't do".

"I saw POTA as a kid and loved it. It had a lot of impact. And I saw pretty much all the sequels. So I was a fan, but at the same time one of the things that made me feel it was OK to do another version was that it wasn't a remake - - because you can't remake that film. If people like it so much, like I do, then you just go back and watch it... and I feel in a certain way you really can't beat it. But knowing that this wasn't necessarily a remake was helpful - - because then you just focus on the material".

"What was intriguing to me about it was the simplicity of the idea - - the reversal. I've done a lot of stuff with masks and makeup, but there was something about the ape/human thing that was primal".

William Broyles the screenwriter created the POTA2001 universe with an eye toward divorcing it from the original movie. Burton liked Broyles original script and that's what he signed on for but it was then deemed too expensive; it was more sci-fi oriented and included 3 battles (as if more battles would have made the movie better; I think the battle is the weakest part of the film). Lawrence Konner and Mark Rosenthal were brought on to rewrite it.

"And then you get involved and you get it budgeted and it's something like $800 million (to make Broyles' script)... it was one of those projects that got into that unfortunate Hollywood spin cycle where there's a release date and a script that the studio likes but it's too much, and so you spend months and months not really working on a project but trying to cut a budget. You hear of it happening all the time in Hollywood - - why I don't learn my lesson I don't know. I hope I have now, finally. And it only seems to happen on big-budgeted movies. It happened on "Batman"."

"I think I was more intrigued by the idea of it than I was by the thing in itself. And if I searched deep down in my soul, if I had to start all over, I would probably do a completely different kind of movie with it... I'd start the whole thing from scratch, it would be a completely different movie with completely different types of characters. Maybe."

"...it's a Hollywood thing. There's a momentum going, and it's so hard to get projects going that you get caught up in the groundswell of it. And then I started to get into a kind of angry-mode... counterproductive to making the movie. It started to turn into something else, it kind of mutated in a way".

"You give it your best, but it's my own fault for going down that route. I guess I felt, and it's not necessarily a positive thing, that I'd done it before with "Batman". But it's really not a good way to work and you don't end up saving money, plus you end up aging and wasting time and energy and your health declines... I felt like I was spending so much time fighting these conflicting forces that by the time I was doing it, I was just "doing it" in a way. Which isn't to say that every day I didn't try to find something in it for me, because otherwise I couldn't do it. But by that point you feel like an athlete that gets the shit beaten out of you before a race, and then you're expected to go win".

"I wanted to keep it serious but you couldn't do that. The point is not to make it the same... The intention was never for it to be jokey-jokey. But that's maybe me... there's a certain retro thing inside me, and why it comes out in a certain way, I'm not sure."

POTA2001 introduced Burton to two very important people: the love of his life (and leading lady in all of his films since) Helena Bonham Carter; and Richard Zanuck, who greenlit the original as head of Fox and has produced almost every Burton film since. On Zanuck: "I love Richard - - he's fantastic... He amazes me. For somebody who's done and seen so much, he's not jaded and I admire that. I'm a lot more jaded than he is, and if I'd been through what he has, I don't know if I could still do it. But he still maintains a certain innocence... This guy was hired by his father, then fired by his father, and he's got a sense of humor about it, he's hilarious about it... And the idea he ran the studio, then he came back to the studio to do (POTA2001) and they don't even know who he is... it's surreal. But he's seen it all and therefore he's somebody who has what I think is lacking these days - - he's completely supportive of the filmmaker... To grow up with a father who was on e of the people who started the whole business, to be head of the studio, then get canned, then become a successful producer and kind of span generations - - he's really seen it all".

"(I liked) the juxtaposition of the ape-outsider and the human-outsider (in the movie). But I also wanted to explore a bit more of the ape-like aspects of it, and their movement... I like people who act like animals or vise-versa (Batman, Catwoman and the Penguin are examples)... there is something about it I feel is important or is something I relate to somehow. It's just that primal, internal, animal instinct... this was a juxtaposition of that, along with the flip-flopping of my brain that doesn't necessarily have a conscious or verbal reasoning. There were also some technical things that I was interested in exploring: just doing a little bit of ape research and trying to give them a bit more of a weird mixture of ape mannerisms, and weave that into the reversal".

"

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Group: pota Message: 65549 From: shrstrategygames Date: 8/26/2011
Subject: Re: A Timeline and Exploration of the Original 'Planet of the Apes'
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Haristas: "At least this writer sees the obvious, though I don't agree with 3955 over 3978..."

> http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/revisiting-original-planet-apes-franchise-advance-rise-planet-apes

The only thing that's "obvious" about what the writer was talking about was that he didn't exactly know what he was talking about.

For example, this excerpt: "The original story tells of apes naturally evolving in the year 2050, 450 years after a similar parasite killed dogs and cats and saw man taking on apes as pets. 50 years later, Aldo leads the Ape Revolution, being the first ape to say 'no' to his master as referenced in the quote from Cornelius above."

The writer is apparently trying to transpose what Cornelius told the CIA interrogators in "Escape" into some much-too-rigidly set dates, which is a grave mistake because it's clear that the apes of the future Planet of the Apes only had a vague perception of their prehistory before Aldo and may have theorized more about it than known all of it to be just so. In my opinion, those apes in the know had a somewhat muddled view of their prehistory because they wildly underestimated the length of time that their kind had been held in captivity (menageries, zoos, circus, etc.) by humans throughout human history. Of course, that may well have been out of sheer innocent ignorance of the matter. For that reason, the apes apparently misdated the start of the plague that killed dogs and cats because they didn't have a good command of their prehistory. They only knew the plague had occurred in their remote past but didn't realize how their kind had already long been captured held in captivity by humans for centuries into human's own ancient past.

Which reminds me: When he discredited Cornelius' layer-by-layer approach to archaeologically dating his diggings, Dr. Zaius apparently knew all along then that Cornelius' approach was legit, only he couldn't admit as much. Apparently, only Dr. Zaius and a segment of the ape elite (premodinantly orangutang if not all orangutang) ruling council were in the know about the truth of apes' evolution.

Another point of contention: In "Escape" when he referred to Aldo as being particularly revered by *his species*, Cornelius was self-reflexively referring to Aldo's species as being *chimpanzee.* Caesar was not referring to apes in general. Based on that reference, Aldo should have turned out to have been a chimpanzee after all, not a gorilla. So, for all we know, the Aldo of "Battle" might well have just been another Aldo altogether and not necessarily the one of the timeline that led to the original Planet of the Apes.

But then again, the writer of that piece is apparently trying to make the original "Apes" series into a completely circular storyline when it actually completes two parallel similar but different timelines.
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