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RonHatter: "here is a full scene that has been done for a while, but with temporary muxic and color grading. The re-introduction of Mendez from 'BATTLE' and the more appropriate introduction of his son."

> http://youtu.be/3j4VAPzpcgs

I didn't like how the character of Paul, Mendez's son, came across as emotionally flat and distant at the climax of his scene with his father. I especially didn't like the way Paul's eyes are depicted as if they glow from some inner energy source.

I also didn't like Paul being portrayed as fiddling around with the Alpha Omega bomb *unless* he has some reason to do so consistent with his father's last-words "Love Thy Neighbor" injunction. (Since it's not apparent what he's doing at the controls of the bomb, I couldn't rightly ascertain if what he was doing was believable or not.)

I couldn't believe that Mendez I wouldn't be surrounded by other mutant attendants as well. I would also think that a young Mendez II wouldn't naturally be viewed as Mendez I's heir apparent (successor), either, since Paul said he was shunned by the other human survivors (which doesn't make sense, either, since a number of them would also have procreated and produced similar mutated children). Perhaps Paul and his generation of mutants might be portrayed much more like grown-up versions of the children from the original MGM "Village of the Damned" and "Children of the Damned" movies, only more unsure of themselves and their nascent psychic powers.

Could there be some mutants who, in the wake of Mendez I's death, might wanna change or reverse his policies entirely? Could the young mutants wage a subtle campaign of psychic persuasion of sorts (like remote influencing) to try to dissuade the reactionary mutants from deviating from the course set by his father?

Might these events convince young Mendez II and/or the mutant community that the best compromise for Peace would be both an exodus and pilgrimmage to relocate the Alpha Omega bomb and to resettle themselves elsewhere in order to give both apes and mutant humans sufficient time and distance apart from each other in order for them to heal from their past conflicts and prejudices? (Intentions do not necessarily guarantee results though.)

Might Paul request the same of the apes (that they relocate farther in the opposite direction)?

GeorgeTaylor68: "If Matt Damon had been in POTA2001 instead of Marky Mark, how much better would it have been?"

In terms of acting, much better, but alas, the whole problem with Tim Burton's "Planet of the Apes" (2001) is that its script deviates much too far from Pierre Boulle's original book and just doesn't deliver a satisfying storyline.

Mel: "I still have mixed thoughts on it being a prequel per se. I'm willing to accept it as an origin story, but then how did everything in the Sacred Scrolls, the stuff that Zira related in Escape, get so changed?"

The Sacred Scrolls in the timeline that led to the original Planet of the Apes haven't even been written yet. And there should still be room in the sequels to "Rise" (if they cover roughly the same period of time) to elaborate on occurrences that ring true to what Zira & Cornelius related but may not be exactly the same as that related by "Conquest".


Rory: "I think, if we don't want to be like 'continuity' geek nerds, we should try and be too literal with POTA. The inconsistencies in the series are legion."

In my opinion, that's a lame reason to excuse away irreconcilable conflicts of continuity in a storyline. Besides, if the filmmakers make two more films set in the same period as "Rise" to complete a "How The Planet of the Apes Was Won" Trilogy, they might also use similar plot devices that are evocative, if not exactly the same as, the events of apes' ancient history as conveyed by Zira & Cornelius.


Rory: "I look at RISE as both a prequel and a reboot, and so it's going to revise things said in the original series, and you know what? I really couldn't care less. Just go with it and don't think about it too much."

If/When I for one am told that a movie is meant to be a prequel to another established older movie, then I'm going to hold the new movie more accountable in terms of story continuity. I do not embrace the notion of a prequel's events needlessly conflicting with the internal logic of the established storyline to date.

Why have your POTA gorilla action figures punish just any humans when they can "blame the writer". Here's the figure of an anonymous, working stiff POTA screenwriter (Rod something) so your apes can "arrest that creature" the next time you watch a badly written movie. Writers have no power in the movies, they get rewritten and blamed for everything. That's what they're for. Sometimes they don't even get invited to the premiere. So you can let your apes abuse him with a clear conscience.

http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_112108a.htm

Fingers crossed for them changing their mind! It is good to hear you tried. What about the stuff that was not done by Marvel?

Before finding this group, I had no idea of how many PotA comics were done. Now I know, I'd love to get them in TPB reprints. (I have bought all the various reprints of the Robert E. Howard stuff (Conan, Kull, etc.)that Dark Horse has put out to date and have been quite happy with them.)

I've never quite understood the way these things work with people who have the rights to something but will not allow reprints. If I go buy used copies, they don't get a cent. If I buy reprints, they get something. It is not just comics. I see this with OOP books too. If a publisher reformats an OOP book for the Kindle, they get money, unlike when I buy an old paperback from a used bookseller. There were PotA novelizations. Why not reformat them and sell them again?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
>
> It's a rights issue - those comics are tied up in legal nonsense with FOX and MArvel's old magazine distributor. Trust me, I tried to get them when I got the conspiracy rights...
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew" <mistermysterioso@> wrote:
> >
> > As Boom! has a new PotA comics series going, any rumors of reprints of previous PotA comics? (I'm surprised Dark Horse did not do this when they had the title. DH has done some great reprints of the old Marvel Conan series.)
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:

>
> RonHatter: "here is a full scene that has been done for a while, but with temporary muxic and color grading. The re-introduction of Mendez from 'BATTLE' and the more appropriate introduction of his son."
>
> > http://youtu.be/3j4VAPzpcgs
>
> I didn't like how the character of Paul, Mendez's son, came across as emotionally flat and distant at the climax of his scene with his father. I especially didn't like the way Paul's eyes are depicted as if they glow from some inner energy source.
>
> I also didn't like Paul being portrayed as fiddling around with the Alpha Omega bomb *unless* he has some reason to do so consistent with his father's last-words "Love Thy Neighbor" injunction. (Since it's not apparent what he's doing at the controls of the bomb, I couldn't rightly ascertain if what he was doing was believable or not.)
>
> I couldn't believe that Mendez I wouldn't be surrounded by other mutant attendants as well. I would also think that a young Mendez II wouldn't naturally be viewed as Mendez I's heir apparent (successor), either, since Paul said he was shunned by the other human survivors (which doesn't make sense, either, since a number of them would also have procreated and produced similar mutated children). Perhaps Paul and his generation of mutants might be portrayed much more like grown-up versions of the children from the original MGM "Village of the Damned" and "Children of the Damned" movies, only more unsure of themselves and their nascent psychic powers.
>
> Could there be some mutants who, in the wake of Mendez I's death, might wanna change or reverse his policies entirely? Could the young mutants wage a subtle campaign of psychic persuasion of sorts (like remote influencing) to try to dissuade the reactionary mutants from deviating from the course set by his father?
>
> Might these events convince young Mendez II and/or the mutant community that the best compromise for Peace would be both an exodus and pilgrimmage to relocate the Alpha Omega bomb and to resettle themselves elsewhere in order to give both apes and mutant humans sufficient time and distance apart from each other in order for them to heal from their past conflicts and prejudices? (Intentions do not necessarily guarantee results though.)
>
> Might Paul request the same of the apes (that they relocate farther in the opposite direction)?
>

well first, I must say I appreciate your critique, and I'm glad that it is story and character based.

I must say that this is seen out of context with the rest of the story, But I get where your coming from, and it's understandable.

let me state that this is not a Movie about the Mendez Dynasty, but Mendez II is a very important character, but at this point in his life, the character is aware of his responsibilities and potential, but he's not completely accepted them, and this is also his first scene, so here he is not internally the Leader that he will become, but that will happen, it's just not a major part of the story, this isn't exactly about connecting all the dots, although some things will certainly be shown.

as far as Paul's Emotional Flatness, that is very intentional, part of that is because he is a very neutral character, he's not a villain(but had first been conceived as one) he is not a hero, but he is a good guy, and because he is different from his parents, he has developed differently, he certainly has feelings, but is really not able to articulate them very well through words, he has the potential to do it telepathically, and he will, it is part of his personal Evolution as an individual, and he is only a Prototype of the future mutants.

internally though he is very self concise, and is mis interpreting the way his fellow mutants view him, there are also different types of mutants, they are not just like him, but again, this is not About the Rise of the Mendez Dynasty.

his scene with the Bomb, is merely him viewing the object his been left responsible of, but it is also the first look at the Bomb in this era, at least within the context of this story, the Expression on Pauls Face at the End of this scene is an indication of him fully realizing the Weight of his responsibillity


Paul will relocate his people to the remains of NY city, but the trip is not as far as some might think, this is not supposed to be a part of any other fan fic or novelization, and The City from Conquest and Battle was never named on film, some insist it's on the west coast, but the only outright indication of that is the filming locations, storywise it's not clear, within the context of this story, it is the remains of Albany NY.


About Paul's eyes, this was partly inspired by a screentest for the mutant makeups in BENEATH, there was a version where contact lenses were used, his eyes are also meant to have a more translucent look like a lot of animals do in the dark, when their eyes reflect light.

Myself- I like what I have seen and appreciate all the LONG HOURS of hard work that goes into this version- Keep it goin- looking fwd to what you do with it!

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>

> RonHatter: "here is a full scene that has been done for a while, but with temporary muxic and color grading. The re-introduction of Mendez from 'BATTLE' and the more appropriate introduction of his son."
>
> > http://youtu.be/3j4VAPzpcgs
>
> I didn't like how the character of Paul, Mendez's son, came across as emotionally flat and distant at the climax of his scene with his father. I especially didn't like the way Paul's eyes are depicted as if they glow from some inner energy source.
>
> I also didn't like Paul being portrayed as fiddling around with the Alpha Omega bomb *unless* he has some reason to do so consistent with his father's last-words "Love Thy Neighbor" injunction. (Since it's not apparent what he's doing at the controls of the bomb, I couldn't rightly ascertain if what he was doing was believable or not.)
>
> I couldn't believe that Mendez I wouldn't be surrounded by other mutant attendants as well. I would also think that a young Mendez II wouldn't naturally be viewed as Mendez I's heir apparent (successor), either, since Paul said he was shunned by the other human survivors (which doesn't make sense, either, since a number of them would also have procreated and produced similar mutated children). Perhaps Paul and his generation of mutants might be portrayed much more like grown-up versions of the children from the original MGM "Village of the Damned" and "Children of the Damned" movies, only more unsure of themselves and their nascent psychic powers.
>
> Could there be some mutants who, in the wake of Mendez I's death, might wanna change or reverse his policies entirely? Could the young mutants wage a subtle campaign of psychic persuasion of sorts (like remote influencing) to try to dissuade the reactionary mutants from deviating from the course set by his father?
>
> Might these events convince young Mendez II and/or the mutant community that the best compromise for Peace would be both an exodus and pilgrimmage to relocate the Alpha Omega bomb and to resettle themselves elsewhere in order to give both apes and mutant humans sufficient time and distance apart from each other in order for them to heal from their past conflicts and prejudices? (Intentions do not necessarily guarantee results though.)
>
> Might Paul request the same of the apes (that they relocate farther in the opposite direction)?
>

well first, I must say I appreciate your critique, and I'm glad that it is story and character based.

I must say that this is seen out of context with the rest of the story, But I get where your coming from, and it's understandable.

let me state that this is not a Movie about the Mendez Dynasty, but Mendez II is a very important character, but at this point in his life, the character is aware of his responsibilities and potential, but he's not completely accepted them, and this is also his first scene, so here he is not internally the Leader that he will become, but that will happen, it's just not a major part of the story, this isn't exactly about connecting all the dots, although some things will certainly be shown.

as far as Paul's Emotional Flatness, that is very intentional, part of that is because he is a very neutral character, he's not a villain(but had first been conceived as one) he is not a hero, but he is a good guy, and because he is different from his parents, he has developed differently, he certainly has feelings, but is really not able to articulate them very well through words, he has the potential to do it telepathically, and he will, it is part of his personal Evolution as an individual, and he is only a Prototype of the future mutants.

internally though he is very self concise, and is mis interpreting the way his fellow mutants view him, there are also different types of mutants, they are not just like him, but again, this is not About the Rise of the Mendez Dynasty.

his scene with the Bomb, is merely him viewing the object his been left responsible of, but it is also the first look at the Bomb in this era, at least within the context of this story, the Expression on Pauls Face at the End of this scene is an indication of him fully realizing the Weight of his responsibillity

Paul will relocate his people to the remains of NY city, but the trip is not as far as some might think, this is not supposed to be a part of any other fan fic or novelization, and The City from Conquest and Battle was never named on film, some insist it's on the west coast, but the only outright indication of that is the filming locations, storywise it's not clear, within the context of this story, it is the remains of Albany NY.

About Paul's eyes, this was partly inspired by a screentest for the mutant makeups in BENEATH, there was a version where contact lenses were used, his eyes are also meant to have a more translucent look like a lot of animals do in the dark, when their eyes reflect light.

--

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Will Slay...
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http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

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http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Well Thank you, I appreciate it, there are indeed a lot of long hours, even long weeks, Im still relatively new to animation, and considering this is a no budget Fan Film, it's obviously not going to be like a Hollywood film.

But I do appreciate critiques and criticsm, whether positive or negative, it's always nice to know what other people think, and have their input, because it can help shape the final film.

Editing has a major hand in shaping a film, and editing has always been a serious hobby, but this project is different because I'm animating it from scratch for the most part, so I have to already have an idea of how I want a scene to play out, and from what angles, and I usually render animations from multiple angles because I'm never sure what's going to work best.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Myself- I like what I have seen and appreciate all the LONG HOURS of hard
> work that goes into this version- Keep it goin- looking fwd to what you do
> with it!
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > RonHatter: "here is a full scene that has been done for a while, but with
> > temporary muxic and color grading. The re-introduction of Mendez from
> > 'BATTLE' and the more appropriate introduction of his son."
> > >
> > > > http://youtu.be/3j4VAPzpcgs
> > >
> > > I didn't like how the character of Paul, Mendez's son, came across as
> > emotionally flat and distant at the climax of his scene with his father. I
> > especially didn't like the way Paul's eyes are depicted as if they glow from
> > some inner energy source.
> > >
> > > I also didn't like Paul being portrayed as fiddling around with the Alpha
> > Omega bomb *unless* he has some reason to do so consistent with his father's
> > last-words "Love Thy Neighbor" injunction. (Since it's not apparent what
> > he's doing at the controls of the bomb, I couldn't rightly ascertain if what
> > he was doing was believable or not.)
> > >
> > > I couldn't believe that Mendez I wouldn't be surrounded by other mutant
> > attendants as well. I would also think that a young Mendez II wouldn't
> > naturally be viewed as Mendez I's heir apparent (successor), either, since
> > Paul said he was shunned by the other human survivors (which doesn't make
> > sense, either, since a number of them would also have procreated and
> > produced similar mutated children). Perhaps Paul and his generation of
> > mutants might be portrayed much more like grown-up versions of the children
> > from the original MGM "Village of the Damned" and "Children of the Damned"
> > movies, only more unsure of themselves and their nascent psychic powers.
> > >
> > > Could there be some mutants who, in the wake of Mendez I's death, might
> > wanna change or reverse his policies entirely? Could the young mutants wage
> > a subtle campaign of psychic persuasion of sorts (like remote influencing)
> > to try to dissuade the reactionary mutants from deviating from the course
> > set by his father?
> > >
> > > Might these events convince young Mendez II and/or the mutant community
> > that the best compromise for Peace would be both an exodus and pilgrimmage
> > to relocate the Alpha Omega bomb and to resettle themselves elsewhere in
> > order to give both apes and mutant humans sufficient time and distance apart
> > from each other in order for them to heal from their past conflicts and
> > prejudices? (Intentions do not necessarily guarantee results though.)
> > >
> > > Might Paul request the same of the apes (that they relocate farther in
> > the opposite direction)?
> > >
> >
> > well first, I must say I appreciate your critique, and I'm glad that it is
> > story and character based.
> >
> > I must say that this is seen out of context with the rest of the story, But
> > I get where your coming from, and it's understandable.
> >
> > let me state that this is not a Movie about the Mendez Dynasty, but Mendez
> > II is a very important character, but at this point in his life, the
> > character is aware of his responsibilities and potential, but he's not
> > completely accepted them, and this is also his first scene, so here he is
> > not internally the Leader that he will become, but that will happen, it's
> > just not a major part of the story, this isn't exactly about connecting all
> > the dots, although some things will certainly be shown.
> >
> > as far as Paul's Emotional Flatness, that is very intentional, part of that
> > is because he is a very neutral character, he's not a villain(but had first
> > been conceived as one) he is not a hero, but he is a good guy, and because
> > he is different from his parents, he has developed differently, he certainly
> > has feelings, but is really not able to articulate them very well through
> > words, he has the potential to do it telepathically, and he will, it is part
> > of his personal Evolution as an individual, and he is only a Prototype of
> > the future mutants.
> >
> > internally though he is very self concise, and is mis interpreting the way
> > his fellow mutants view him, there are also different types of mutants, they
> > are not just like him, but again, this is not About the Rise of the Mendez
> > Dynasty.
> >
> > his scene with the Bomb, is merely him viewing the object his been left
> > responsible of, but it is also the first look at the Bomb in this era, at
> > least within the context of this story, the Expression on Pauls Face at the
> > End of this scene is an indication of him fully realizing the Weight of his
> > responsibillity
> >
> > Paul will relocate his people to the remains of NY city, but the trip is
> > not as far as some might think, this is not supposed to be a part of any
> > other fan fic or novelization, and The City from Conquest and Battle was
> > never named on film, some insist it's on the west coast, but the only
> > outright indication of that is the filming locations, storywise it's not
> > clear, within the context of this story, it is the remains of Albany NY.
> >
> > About Paul's eyes, this was partly inspired by a screentest for the mutant
> > makeups in BENEATH, there was a version where contact lenses were used, his
> > eyes are also meant to have a more translucent look like a lot of animals do
> > in the dark, when their eyes reflect light.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Bill Hollweg
> Have Sword...
> Will Slay...
> Barbarian in need of Ale...
> Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
> Bill Hollweg
> Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
> http://brokensea.com/ <http://www.brokensea.net/>
> The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
> http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at
> http://brokensea.com/pota/
> http://brokensea.com/bpota/ <http://www.brokensea.com/>
> and
> Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
> CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio
> OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/
>

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I feel your pain on the hours/weeks- but also share the love of the making of a fan made product <in my case audio> and am enjoying watching your animation progress.
Keep the faith!

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well thank You again, I greatly apprciate Your enthusiasm

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> I feel your pain on the hours/weeks- but also share the love of the making
> of a fan made product <in my case audio> and am enjoying watching your
> animation progress.
> Keep the faith!
>
> On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 11:34 AM, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Well Thank you, I appreciate it, there are indeed a lot of long hours, even
> > long weeks, Im still relatively new to animation, and considering this is a
> > no budget Fan Film, it's obviously not going to be like a Hollywood film.
> >
> > But I do appreciate critiques and criticsm, whether positive or negative,
> > it's always nice to know what other people think, and have their input,
> > because it can help shape the final film.
> >
> > Editing has a major hand in shaping a film, and editing has always been a
> > serious hobby, but this project is different because I'm animating it from
> > scratch for the most part, so I have to already have an idea of how I want a
> > scene to play out, and from what angles, and I usually render animations
> > from multiple angles because I'm never sure what's going to work best.
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Myself- I like what I have seen and appreciate all the LONG HOURS of hard
> > > work that goes into this version- Keep it goin- looking fwd to what you
> > do
> > > with it!
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:20 AM, RonHatter <ronhatter@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > RonHatter: "here is a full scene that has been done for a while, but
> > with
> > > > temporary muxic and color grading. The re-introduction of Mendez from
> > > > 'BATTLE' and the more appropriate introduction of his son."
> > > > >
> > > > > > http://youtu.be/3j4VAPzpcgs
> > > > >
> > > > > I didn't like how the character of Paul, Mendez's son, came across as
> > > > emotionally flat and distant at the climax of his scene with his
> > father. I
> > > > especially didn't like the way Paul's eyes are depicted as if they glow
> > from
> > > > some inner energy source.
> > > > >
> > > > > I also didn't like Paul being portrayed as fiddling around with the
> > Alpha
> > > > Omega bomb *unless* he has some reason to do so consistent with his
> > father's
> > > > last-words "Love Thy Neighbor" injunction. (Since it's not apparent
> > what
> > > > he's doing at the controls of the bomb, I couldn't rightly ascertain if
> > what
> > > > he was doing was believable or not.)
> > > > >
> > > > > I couldn't believe that Mendez I wouldn't be surrounded by other
> > mutant
> > > > attendants as well. I would also think that a young Mendez II wouldn't
> > > > naturally be viewed as Mendez I's heir apparent (successor), either,
> > since
> > > > Paul said he was shunned by the other human survivors (which doesn't
> > make
> > > > sense, either, since a number of them would also have procreated and
> > > > produced similar mutated children). Perhaps Paul and his generation of
> > > > mutants might be portrayed much more like grown-up versions of the
> > children
> > > > from the original MGM "Village of the Damned" and "Children of the
> > Damned"
> > > > movies, only more unsure of themselves and their nascent psychic
> > powers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could there be some mutants who, in the wake of Mendez I's death,
> > might
> > > > wanna change or reverse his policies entirely? Could the young mutants
> > wage
> > > > a subtle campaign of psychic persuasion of sorts (like remote
> > influencing)
> > > > to try to dissuade the reactionary mutants from deviating from the
> > course
> > > > set by his father?
> > > > >
> > > > > Might these events convince young Mendez II and/or the mutant
> > community
> > > > that the best compromise for Peace would be both an exodus and
> > pilgrimmage
> > > > to relocate the Alpha Omega bomb and to resettle themselves elsewhere
> > in
> > > > order to give both apes and mutant humans sufficient time and distance
> > apart
> > > > from each other in order for them to heal from their past conflicts and
> > > > prejudices? (Intentions do not necessarily guarantee results though.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Might Paul request the same of the apes (that they relocate farther
> > in
> > > > the opposite direction)?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > well first, I must say I appreciate your critique, and I'm glad that it
> > is
> > > > story and character based.
> > > >
> > > > I must say that this is seen out of context with the rest of the story,
> > But
> > > > I get where your coming from, and it's understandable.
> > > >
> > > > let me state that this is not a Movie about the Mendez Dynasty, but
> > Mendez
> > > > II is a very important character, but at this point in his life, the
> > > > character is aware of his responsibilities and potential, but he's not
> > > > completely accepted them, and this is also his first scene, so here he
> > is
> > > > not internally the Leader that he will become, but that will happen,
> > it's
> > > > just not a major part of the story, this isn't exactly about connecting
> > all
> > > > the dots, although some things will certainly be shown.
> > > >
> > > > as far as Paul's Emotional Flatness, that is very intentional, part of
> > that
> > > > is because he is a very neutral character, he's not a villain(but had
> > first
> > > > been conceived as one) he is not a hero, but he is a good guy, and
> > because
> > > > he is different from his parents, he has developed differently, he
> > certainly
> > > > has feelings, but is really not able to articulate them very well
> > through
> > > > words, he has the potential to do it telepathically, and he will, it is
> > part
> > > > of his personal Evolution as an individual, and he is only a Prototype
> > of
> > > > the future mutants.
> > > >
> > > > internally though he is very self concise, and is mis interpreting the
> > way
> > > > his fellow mutants view him, there are also different types of mutants,
> > they
> > > > are not just like him, but again, this is not About the Rise of the
> > Mendez
> > > > Dynasty.
> > > >
> > > > his scene with the Bomb, is merely him viewing the object his been left
> > > > responsible of, but it is also the first look at the Bomb in this era,
> > at
> > > > least within the context of this story, the Expression on Pauls Face at
> > the
> > > > End of this scene is an indication of him fully realizing the Weight of
> > his
> > > > responsibillity
> > > >
> > > > Paul will relocate his people to the remains of NY city, but the trip
> > is
> > > > not as far as some might think, this is not supposed to be a part of
> > any
> > > > other fan fic or novelization, and The City from Conquest and Battle
> > was
> > > > never named on film, some insist it's on the west coast, but the only
> > > > outright indication of that is the filming locations, storywise it's
> > not
> > > > clear, within the context of this story, it is the remains of Albany
> > NY.
> > > >
> > > > About Paul's eyes, this was partly inspired by a screentest for the
> > mutant
> > > > makeups in BENEATH, there was a version where contact lenses were used,
> > his
> > > > eyes are also meant to have a more translucent look like a lot of
> > animals do
> > > > in the dark, when their eyes reflect light.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill Hollweg
> > > Have Sword...
> > > Will Slay...
> > > Barbarian in need of Ale...
> > > Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
> > > Bill Hollweg
> > > Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
> > > And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
> > > http://brokensea.com/ <http://www.brokensea.net/>
> >
> > > The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
> > > http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
> > > http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
> > > Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at
> > > http://brokensea.com/pota/
> > > http://brokensea.com/bpota/ <http://www.brokensea.com/>
> >
> > > and
> > > Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
> > > http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
> > > CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
> > >
> > http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio
> > > OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
>

Thank you, I'd like to have the animation aspect finished by the holiday season, but that might be a little bit of wishful thinking, but certainly before next summer.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> this sounds great!
> i would really like to see the finished film.
> best wishes on this project of yours.
> jim
>
> From: RonHatter <ronhatter@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:34 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Scene from "DESTINY OF THE PLANET OF THE APES"
>

These are rocking so don't bother knocking. Thanks Al!

http://www.youtube.com/user/dularayoz#p/u

But don't forget, the original plan wasn't for Lisa to say "No". That came about when they had to tweak the ending and make it less violent. Actually, the first time an ape speaks publically it's to say, "Lousy human bastard!". How come they never want to use that line in reboots?


From: .
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:14 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: A Timeline and Exploration of the Original 'Planet of the Apes' Franchise




i'm sure the director felt that it was more dramatic to have liza say no than follow canon.
they did this all the time until recently when fans dictate the movie production detail rather than directors or writers sudden inspirations. you can thank star trek the next generation for that, for the fans demanding that things be in accordance with the subjects universe and for continuity.
jim

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Perhaps it was that chips destiny to be the first to say No,

but fate intervened, and he only inspired Caesar to say it.

 

 

In a message dated 8/26/2011 12:46:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

  I don't think it was coincidence that the chimp who gets sedated is named Aldo, but maybe. I see it as a commentary on the past that was laid out in "Escape", changed by the existence of Caesar.

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Just reinforces  my belief that the timelime is a spiral rather than a circle. In some parallel universe it happened just as foretold.  Remember all the different reactions on The One in the Matrix?  My fave is when Neo flips him off.  That would have made for a different kind of movie.  Whoa Dude . . .

 

 

In a message dated 8/26/2011 2:17:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, aquaboi@... writes:

 

i'm sure the director felt that it was more dramatic to have liza say no than follow canon.

they did this all the time until recently when fans dictate the movie production detail rather than directors or writers sudden inspirations. you can thank star trek the next generation for that, for the fans demanding that things be in accordance with the subjects universe and for continuity.

jim

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Very simple to me. The arrival of the apes in Escape changed everything that was to be written down in ape history and created a new history for the apes to ponder over. The world of POTA68 is the world that Cornelious and Zira brought with them in Escape but because they Escaped from their time and jumped to our time and warned the humans what was to happen all of ape history wa to change mostly in the specifics but the inevitablke ws going to happen in that man was to destroy man and apes in one fashion or another were to take over what was left. History is always changed on purpose or by accident or to help an agenda so who knows. Poor writing , maybe, to many ahnds in the pot is a more likely cause for date, name and event differences no matter how subbtle because the apes and the Lawgiver are their at thend at the right time and so it all comes to fruition anyway. Getting ready for hurrican oy!!! On a lighter note that doesnt help any movies numbers, Haha take care John M.-What a month, very tired...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> well, one thing is true, p.o.t.a. is all about punishing humans, especially with making us watch the sequels.
> jim
>
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:37 AM
> Subject: [pota] generic POTA screenwriter action figure
>
>
> Â
> Why have your POTA gorilla action figures punish just any humans when they can "blame the writer". Here's the figure of an anonymous, working stiff POTA screenwriter (Rod something) so your apes can "arrest that creature" the next time you watch a badly written movie. Writers have no power in the movies, they get rewritten and blamed for everything. That's what they're for. Sometimes they don't even get invited to the premiere. So you can let your apes abuse him with a clear conscience.
>
> http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_112108a.htm
>

Ron Hatter: "Well first, I must say I appreciate your critique, and I'm glad that it is story and character based. I must say that this is seen out of context with the rest of the story, But I get where you're coming from, and it's understandable. Let me state that this is not a movie about the Mendez Dynasty, but Mendez II is a very important character,...."

He nonetheless cannot hope to get by merely by riding Daddy's coattails to a leadership position. He's gotta do something extraordinarily miraculous -- or near miraculous -- to earn his bonafides if he's gonna begin the Mendez Dynasty. Naturally, his fellow humans should be none too receptive of such a throwback of a notion.


Ron Hatter: "... but at this point in his life, the character (Paul, Mendez II) is aware of his responsibilities and potential, but he's not completely accepted them, and this is also his first scene, so here he is not internally the Leader that he will become, but that will happen; it's just not a major part of the story, this isn't exactly about connecting all the dots, although some things will certainly be shown."

Then I'm none too convinced of Paul's being invested with such high standing in the mutant community if they're already adverse to his mere appearance.


Ron Hatter: "As far as Paul's emotional flatness, that is very intentional, part of that is because he is a very neutral character, he's not a villain (but had first been conceived as one) he is not a hero, but he is a good guy, and because he is different from his parents, he has developed differently, he certainly has feelings, but is really not able to articulate them very well through words, he has the potential to do it telepathically, and he will, it is part of his
personal Evolution as an individual, and he is only a Prototype of the future mutants."

You nonetheless do your story an egregious disservice by essentially one-dimensionalizing Paul (Mendez II) for those stated reasons. A character stuck in neutral goes nowhere. Moreover, the loss of his father -- apparently his only surviving parent and the only person who genuinely accepts Paul -- SHOULD be a devestating blow to Paul that fractures, if not shatters, his world.

Wouldn't it be more devestating for Paul to see a faction of the radiation-scarred humans figuratively take off their collective masks and show their true selves, a significantly different face (metaphorically speaking) to the world (i.e. example: they espouse notions contrary to those advocated by Mendez I), namely that there can be no beauty to preserve as long as humankind must remain in hiding in the tomb-like remains of a nuclear-bombed-out city and that the Alpha Omega Bomb must be made ready to fulfill the last will & testament of humankind. (This faction of surviving older radiation-scarred human generation views Mendez I as an idealist whose cause was noble but impractical and believe his life only resulted in merely putting off the inevitable. Since they believe that there is no beauty to preserve, they believe the Alpha Omega Bomb is an instrument to be used and not a relic merely to be worshipped and venerated.)

If you don't develop Paul (Mendez II) into a three-dimensional character, then he will just be going through the motions of a character without much, if any, meaning.

It would be interesting to see Paul make a bid for power because otherwise, he would be beholden to defer to Mendez I's successor (the next in chain of command). He cannot resume his father's mission if he's not in command.


Ron Hatter: "Internally though he is very self concise, and is misinterpreting the way his fellow mutants view him, there are also different types of mutants, they are not just like him, but again, this is not About the Rise of the Mendez Dynasty. His scene with the Bomb, is merely him viewing the object he's been left responsible of, but it is also the first look at the Bomb in this era, at least within the context of this story."

Why should we believe that Paul (Mendez II) is automatically the next in chain of command to lead the mutants anyway? Why wouldn't Mendez I have had a major domo (second in command) and others in chain of command (in case anything happened to himself)? After all, since the mutants eventually organize themselves into some sort of hierarchy anyway, Mendez I could not have kept his mutant community thriving without others to assist him in that task.

Why should a neophyte like Paul be entrusted with the Alpha Omega Bomb? (Nope, I don't buy the explanatioun that just because he's Mendez I's son, that that makes Paul the most viable candidate.) Nepotism is not embraced by modern society.



Ron Hatter: "The Expression on Paul's Face at the end of this scene is an indication of him fully realizing the Weight of his responsibillity."

Unfortunately, that did not come through at all. Paul's demeanor made him come off as much too stone-faced to register any appreciable measure of genuine human emotion. He might as well have been a gray alien.


Ron Hatter: "Paul will relocate his people to the remains of NY city, but the trip is not as far as some might think, this is not supposed to be a part of any other fan fic or novelization, and The City from Conquest and Battle was never named on film, some insist it's on the west coast, but the only outright indication of that is the filming locations, storywise it's not clear, within the context of this story, it is the remains of Albany NY."

Bingo! I buy the Albany, NY location (that was always my theory anyway). And the ruins of New York City might be more ideal than previously realized because although it might have been coated in radioactive fallout, I seriously doubt that any nuclear bomb blew up in New York City. Reason: The Statue of Liberty would not have survived because it's made of copper, and while copper is flexible enough to withstand hurricane-force winds, it melts at lower temperatures than most strong metals and would have been smelted into slag if a nuclear bomb had blown up in New York City. (I learned this from a documentary which showed those few standing structures at Hiroshima right after the bomb was dropped. One of those structures originally had a copper dome but it melted immediately when the first hot-air blast of the atomic bomb hit it.)


Ron Hatter: "About Paul's eyes, this was partly inspired by a screentest for the mutant makeups in BENEATH, there was a version where contact lenses were used, his eyes are also meant to have a more translucent look like a lot of animals do in the dark, when their eyes reflect light."

Then I would make the effect more subtle under low-light conditions and more pronounced under darker lighting conditions. Eyes are the window to the soul. Notably, the eyes of the children of MGM's original "Village of the Damned" and "Children of the Damned" glowed when they were more fully engaging their psychic powers.

Also, Paul should somehow develop some genuine charisma because he's gotta somehow convincingly motivate both the surviving radiation-scarred humans and their mutant-children progeny to perserve and embrace that ultimate lemon of a situation they're in and make lemondade of it somehow.

Jeff K: "But don't forget, the original plan wasn't for Lisa to say 'No'. That came about when they had to tweak the ending and make it less violent."

I for one do not believe Liza was scripted to say "No" merely to make the ending of "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" less violent. Quite the contrary, I believe it was also done to make it more meaningful because Liza was saying "No" out of compassion -- not out of defiance or revenge -- in essence symbolically channeling the Spirit of Zira. (I'm not saying that the Spirit of Zira was speaking *through* Liza but that Liza's compassion was more of an evocation of Zira's own more compassionate demeanor.

Like it or not, Paul Dehn's original ending to "Conquest" was a nihilistic downer -- but since Dehn was apparently under the presumption that "Conquest" would end the series, he was trying to make the storyline more circular so that it would be more readily understandable how things developed from there to become the original Planet of the Apes.

While the revised ending to "Conquest" held out a dim hope for a hopefully more harmonious future co-existence between humans and apes, it was still by no means certain. And while "Battle" offered us the possibility of a reprieve from senselessly repeating the doomed timeline of the original Planet of the Apes, it still left the question open for us ourselves to answer as to the ultimate destiny of the Planet of the Primates -- Humans and Apes.


Jeff K: "Actually, the first time an ape speaks publically it's to say, 'Lousy human bastard!'. How come they never want to use that line in reboots?"

Because Milo/Caesar never really to say it aloud in the first place -- and since that faux paux by Milo/Caesar was never really meant to be uttered aloud, the character couldn't really relish having said it (even though his foster father, Armando, tried to console him that Milo/Caesar was only voicing aloud what he -- Armando -- had been thinking all along). Moreover, we the audience too sort of gasped for his having dared to voice it aloud.

When the once-mute Taylor said, "Keep your stinking paws off of me, you damned dirty ape!", he meant to say that. It wasn't an accident on his part like it was for Milo/Caesar in "Conquest".

James King: "Another point of contention: In 'Escape' when he referred to Aldo as being particularly revered by *his species*, Cornelius was self-reflexively referring to Aldo's species as being *chimpanzee.* Caesar was not referring to apes in general. Based on that reference, Aldo should have turned out to have been a chimpanzee after all, not a gorilla. So, for all we know, the Aldo of 'Battle' might well have just been another Aldo altogether and not necessarily the one of the timeline that led to the original Planet of the Apes."

Rory: "The Aldo of BATTLE is not the Aldo that Cornelius mentions in ESCAPE, and I guess it's not even the chimpanzee Aldo seen in CONQUEST."

Which chimpanzee in "Conquest" was identified as Aldo"? (The only credible candidate that I can think of was the messenger chimp who's frightened by the striking human workers and has to be sedated.)


Rory: "Just just part of the messy screenwriting from sequel to sequel. Maybe Paul Dehn was just too sick to care about continuity between films, and everybody else wasn't paying attention."

I don't know if it was filmed or not, but I get the impression from the novelization of "Conquest" by science-fiction author Jerry Pournelle that there was a sequence in "Conquest" where Caesar managed to secretly enter the bay where a gorilla named Aldo was kept and taught him how to break his broom and refuse to work. Allegedly, Pournelle was working from some version of the script (if not the actual last-draft version of the shooting script).

The sequence actually makes sense since we do see Caesar in the final film visually telegraphing with a meaningful look to a gorilla sweeping in the street to begin his defiance and refuse to work.

Jeff K.: "Eric Greene needs no introduction to POTA fans who have kept up with recent thinking on the franchise. From the doc 'Behind the POTA' to the blu-ray docs to his commentary on the DVDs to his own book 'POTA as American Myth', when it comes to POTA, as Henry Ford said in 'The Grapes of Wrath', he'll be there. And personally I think Eric has added a lot to the discussion, so sue me. Anyway, here's his comments mostly on the original POTA but he does mention 'Rise' (which he doesn't feel is as risk taking as the originals but it's a start)."

> http://www.jewishjournal.com/the_ticket/item/pja_and_jfsj_regional_director_eric_greene_discusses_planet_of_the_apes_vid/

The most meaningful remarks made by Eric Greene to me were the ones he made about how the original Planet of the Apes series was about being willing to risk putting one's principles into action and putting oneself on the line in the process. After all, that's a lesson I myself inadvertently took to heart by cinematic osmosis through Zira's inspiring example. And I've prior related this in an earlier post at: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/message/63508

In my opinion, Zira is one of the best silver-screen role models of all time.

Does anybody know of any scenes in earlier edits of "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" that have been directly or indirectly confirmed as having been deleted and left on the cutting-room floor?

On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 10:27 PM, shrstrategygames <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:

Jeff K: "But don't forget, the original plan wasn't for Lisa to say 'No'. That came about when they had to tweak the ending and make it less violent."

I for one do not believe Liza was scripted to say "No" merely to make the ending of "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" less violent. Quite the contrary, I believe it was also done to make it more meaningful because Liza was saying "No" out of compassion -- not out of defiance or revenge -- in essence symbolically channeling the Spirit of Zira. (I'm not saying that the Spirit of Zira was speaking *through* Liza but that Liza's compassion was more of an evocation of Zira's own more compassionate demeanor.

Like it or not, Paul Dehn's original ending to "Conquest" was a nihilistic downer -- but since Dehn was apparently under the presumption that "Conquest" would end the series, he was trying to make the storyline more circular so that it would be more readily understandable how things developed from there to become the original Planet of the Apes.

While the revised ending to "Conquest" held out a dim hope for a hopefully more harmonious future co-existence between humans and apes, it was still by no means certain. And while "Battle" offered us the possibility of a reprieve from senselessly repeating the doomed timeline of the original Planet of the Apes, it still left the question open for us ourselves to answer as to the ultimate destiny of the Planet of the Primates -- Humans and Apes.

Jeff K: "Actually, the first time an ape speaks publically it's to say, 'Lousy human bastard!'. How come they never want to use that line in reboots?"

Because Milo/Caesar never really to say it aloud in the first place -- and since that faux paux by Milo/Caesar was never really meant to be uttered aloud, the character couldn't really relish having said it (even though his foster father, Armando, tried to console him that Milo/Caesar was only voicing aloud what he -- Armando -- had been thinking all along). Moreover, we the audience too sort of gasped for his having dared to voice it aloud.

When the once-mute Taylor said, "Keep your stinking paws off of me, you damned dirty ape!", he meant to say that. It wasn't an accident on his part like it was for Milo/Caesar in "Conquest".

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Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
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In a message dated 8/26/2011 10:56:08 PM Central Daylight Time,
shrstrategygames@... writes:

> Which chimpanzee in "Conquest" was identified as Aldo"? (The only
> credible candidate that I can think of was the messenger chimp who's frightened
> by the striking human workers and has to be sedated.)
>

*** That is the chimp named Aldo... The handlers even say his name and he
(Aldo) is in the final credits of the film, played by David Chow... ***

>
> I don't know if it was filmed or not, but I get the impression from the
> novelization of "Conquest" by science-fiction author Jerry Pournelle that
> there was a sequence in "Conquest" where Caesar managed to secretly enter the
> bay where a gorilla named Aldo was kept and taught him how to break his
> broom and refuse to work. Allegedly, Pournelle was working from some version
> of the script (if not the actual last-draft version of the shooting script).
>
>

*** John Jakes wrote the novel of CONQUEST, Pournelle wrote ESCAPE... ***
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In a message dated 8/26/2011 4:28:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

These are rocking so don't bother knocking. Thanks Al!

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Why Did they never say "Don't ever let them catch you."

in Rise?  Just like they never said, "Bring me the Spaceman!".

 

 

In a message dated 8/26/2011 4:31:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

"Lousy human bastard!". How come they never want to use that line in reboots?

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Wow that sounds really kewl. I liked that a lot. It makes the movie look really exciting, doesn't it?

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That's Chinese!

In a message dated 8/26/2011 4:28:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

These are rocking so don't bother knocking. Thanks Al!

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To all my friends in the New York area...

Be safe people. Fingers crossed it's not as bad as our news channels are predicting.

Dave

The POTA blu-ray collections is on sale again on Amazon for $43. Great price!

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G7PX80?tag=plaoftheapeme-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B001G7PX80&adid=18XG9TZ26MYJJ4QYXHPF

For those who don't have a blu-ray player the Legacy DVD colletion is also on sale: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000E6ESEY/ref=as_li_tf_til?tag=plaoftheapeme-20&camp=0&creative=0&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B000E6ESEY&adid=0846A69NHNMQ9APPFNYV

The box office is taking a back seat to Hurricane Irene (be safe) but in any case "Rise" is going down. It looks to be # 4 this weekend with an added $ 8.5 million. It should pass $ 150 million domestic in a few days but probably won't reach $ 200 million. Will it beat "Thor"? Doubt it. That's because the apes are a bunch of losers! They never were any damn good. >: (
I'm sorry, I lost my head. I love you, Dr. Zauis.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/08/hurricane-irene-blowing-away-box-office-business-is-in-the-crapper-right-now/

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That's true. 40 years ago audiences were less sophisticated and there was no home video so filmmakers didn't worry about small continuity errors.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> i'm sure the director felt that it was more dramatic to have liza say no than follow canon.
> they did this all the time until recently when fans dictate the movie production detail rather than directors or writers sudden inspirations. you can thank star trek the next generation for that, for the fans demanding that things be in accordance with the subjects universe and for continuity.
> jim
>

What is simple to me is to respect the intentions of the filmmakers. Paul Dehn, the screenwriter, stated the intent was a time circle or loop.

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/dehn2.jpg

The alternate timeline theory in an imaginative way to explain some of the continuity

Also, there is not a single line of dialogue in any of the films that directly establishes or supports C&Z creating an alternate timeline. But there are many that support Dehn's time circle.

Dr. Milo: "And earth will be destroyed just as we saw it."

Zira: "We came from YOUR FUTURE."

The Lawgiver: "Then God in his wrath sent the world a savior miraculously born of two Apes who had descended on Earth from Earth's OWN FUTURE."

Caesar: "I went looking for my past, but I found OUR FUTURE".

The entire support for the alternate timeline theory rests with Cornelius and Zira's testimony of how Apes rose; however, that has too many problems to be taken seriously.

First, that history is total inconsistent with what had been previously established in the films. In Planet, Cornelius dates the artifacts in the cave (including the doll) as 2,000 years old from the 20th century. In Beneath, all the ruins in the Forbidden Zone are from the 20th century. Taylor even calls the Alpha-Omega bomb a souvenir from the 20th century. In Escape Cornelius tells the commission that Apes had been speaking English for 2,000 years. All of which points to a downfall of man and rise of apes in the 20th century, not the 25th, which is totally consistent with the events later seen in Conquest and Battle.

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/dehn1.jpg

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/dehn3.jpg

Second, the audience never witnesses the events C&Z relate. Nor have the characters of C&Z witnessed those events. So those events can't be taken at rock hard accurate. It is hearsay at best. A more likely an explanation for the inconsistencies is that historical events that C&Z read about were distorted over the centuries, either intentionally or accidentally.

There are those who will say that Caesar's actions in Battle created an alternate timeline, and a more hopeful future, which I don't dispute. But if an alternate timeline was created is was in Battle and not before.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Very simple to me. The arrival of the apes in Escape changed everything that was to be written down in ape history and created a new history for the apes to ponder over.

Paul Dehn didn't write "Battle", whose whole existence is based on whether things can be changed or whether they are doomed to repeat.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:17 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure






What is simple to me is to respect the intentions of the filmmakers. Paul Dehn, the screenwriter, stated the intent was a time circle or loop.

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/dehn2.jpg

The alternate timeline theory in an imaginative way to explain some of the continuity

Also, there is not a single line of dialogue in any of the films that directly establishes or supports C&Z creating an alternate timeline. But there are many that support Dehn's time circle.

Dr. Milo: "And earth will be destroyed just as we saw it."

Zira: "We came from YOUR FUTURE."

The Lawgiver: "Then God in his wrath sent the world a savior miraculously born of two Apes who had descended on Earth from Earth's OWN FUTURE."

Caesar: "I went looking for my past, but I found OUR FUTURE".

The entire support for the alternate timeline theory rests with Cornelius and Zira's testimony of how Apes rose; however, that has too many problems to be taken seriously.

First, that history is total inconsistent with what had been previously established in the films. In Planet, Cornelius dates the artifacts in the cave (including the doll) as 2,000 years old from the 20th century. In Beneath, all the ruins in the Forbidden Zone are from the 20th century. Taylor even calls the Alpha-Omega bomb a souvenir from the 20th century. In Escape Cornelius tells the commission that Apes had been speaking English for 2,000 years. All of which points to a downfall of man and rise of apes in the 20th century, not the 25th, which is totally consistent with the events later seen in Conquest and Battle.

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/dehn1.jpg

http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/dehn3.jpg

Second, the audience never witnesses the events C&Z relate. Nor have the characters of C&Z witnessed those events. So those events can't be taken at rock hard accurate. It is hearsay at best. A more likely an explanation for the inconsistencies is that historical events that C&Z read about were distorted over the centuries, either intentionally or accidentally.

There are those who will say that Caesar's actions in Battle created an alternate timeline, and a more hopeful future, which I don't dispute. But if an alternate timeline was created is was in Battle and not before.

Dehn did the final rewrite of Battle and given story credit in the film. And as I clearly stated, I don't dispute that premise in regard to Battle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Paul Dehn didn't write "Battle", whose whole existence is based on whether things can be changed or whether they are doomed to repeat.
>
>

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Here's an interview with Arnold Mesches, who drew Zira and Cornelius during the courtroom scene in "Escape" (a task he did during the famous Manson and Sirhan Sirhan trials).

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20110827/ARTICLES/110829629/-1/news?p=1&tc=pg

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Then what's the point? "Battle" is still canon. Jacobs wanted something less downbeat than that it all happens over and over again. And some might find that a copout (if there's no hope then hand me the cyanide when you're done, but do it quick) but it still went down. "Battle" basically lets you choose your ending.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 8:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure




Dehn did the final rewrite of Battle and given story credit in the film. And as I clearly stated, I don't dispute that premise in regard to Battle.

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I don't nor have I ever disagreed with that. Battle can been seen as a morality tale. If everyone learns to live together in peace, everything will be fine. If not, they will end up destroying each other.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Then what's the point? "Battle" is still canon. Jacobs wanted something less downbeat than that it all happens over and over again. And some might find that a copout (if there's no hope then hand me the cyanide when you're done, but do it quick) but it still went down. "Battle" basically lets you choose your ending.
>
>

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Thankyou so much. With all my other new problems its salt in the wound. When it rains it pours, HAHA, Take care, good luck, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> To all my friends in the New York area...
>
> Be safe people. Fingers crossed it's not as bad as our news channels are predicting.
>
> Dave
>

First a money grab. Second it was a feel good movie after Conquest(Original Version). Third and most important I feel it was to point out that the future can be changed for the good and the world can be saved if you can control your basser instincts. Since Escape the idea of controlling the future was hammered down our throats one way or another and Battles best point was to say it can be done. Caesar stops the shooting of mutants, Aldo killed, Mutants stop the Bomb, Lawgiver even lightens up. Like everything Apes though, its all at least in the air, "I heard its possible" and perhaps "only the dead" know what will happen, a little religion their. It(Battle) had its good points, to bad it couldnt have been better.
Conquest was to end the way it ended on the unrated version(ENDCARD missing) and begin with the sacrifice of a beaten gorilla who when turned over was in the Christ crusifixtion poise and was filmed-whatever happened to those 4 minutes "who knows". Cinafantastique and some kodaks I have from a long distance, 100ft at least, have proven that it was filmed. Is their anybody with a good memorie, and was at Phoenix in 1972, (for the audience testing) that person would be a gold mine. Take care, John M.

I guess the apes' revenge for the way they were treated. The idea is that Koba wants genocide on the humans.
But can an expensive popcorn flick really deal in genocide beyond an "X-Men" kind of way? Unfortunately "Rise" did not do so great that they'd give the creators carte blanche. Fox had some of their best reviewed popcorn movies recently but they didn't do as well at the box office as some of the crappier ones. Though there was the economy and not a lot of marketing support from Fox.


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:08 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Eric Greene talks "Rise of the POTA"




Why Revenge? Who's Revenge?

Al

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Frans de Waal, famous ape expert, gives an opposable thumbs up to the new breed of ape found in "Rise":

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/business/technology-blurs-the-line-between-the-animated-and-the-real.html"

Statues don't cry. That was dew. : )


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:03 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure


Dehn did the final rewrite of Battle and given story credit in the film. And as I clearly stated, I don't dispute that premise in regard to Battle.


At the end of BATTLE Caesar's statue sheds a tear. What does it mean? I don't know -- it's too loopy!

Rated"R" is what sells these types of brainless movies. Just a thought, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I guess the apes' revenge for the way they were treated. The idea is that Koba wants genocide on the humans.
> But can an expensive popcorn flick really deal in genocide beyond an "X-Men" kind of way? Unfortunately "Rise" did not do so great that they'd give the creators carte blanche. Fox had some of their best reviewed popcorn movies recently but they didn't do as well at the box office as some of the crappier ones. Though there was the economy and not a lot of marketing support from Fox.
>
>
> From: Alex Ruiz
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 9:08 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Eric Greene talks "Rise of the POTA"
>
>
>
>
> Why Revenge? Who's Revenge?
>
> Al
>

Interestingly, now that I got the Battle paperback today, I see that part isn't even in the end of the book. It just ends with the Lawgiver speaking to the students. Even the play-fight and the "who knows what the future holds" is gone.

I also noticed an attempt to tweak things in Battle...Zira's speech seems edited when Caesar's watching it in the ruins. The part about Aldo is gone and I don't think her indication of the ape revolt building over a long time was there either. I bet they were trying to help the loop theory and edit out some of the 'backstory' from Escape.

Mel

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Statues don't cry. That was dew. : )
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 10:03 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure
>
>
> Dehn did the final rewrite of Battle and given story credit in the film. And as I clearly stated, I don't dispute that premise in regard to Battle.
>
>
> At the end of BATTLE Caesar's statue sheds a tear. What does it mean? I don't know -- it's too loopy!
>

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A good release date for the Rise Bluray would be Thanksgiving week.

 

11-22-11 Tuseday. Almost goes well with ALZ112 ;)

 

Al

 

 

 

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Better release date: 11-08-11. My birthday. ; )

Plus it's sooner. : o


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Good release date for Bluray




A good release date for the Rise Bluray would be Thanksgiving week.

11-22-11 Tuseday. Almost goes well with ALZ112 ;)

Al

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Better release date: 11-08-11. My birthday. ; )

Plus it's sooner. : o

From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Good release date for Bluray

A good release date for the Rise Bluray would be Thanksgiving week.

11-22-11 Tuseday. Almost goes well with ALZ112 ;)

Al

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Better release date: 11-08-11. My birthday. ; )

Plus it's sooner. : o

From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 5:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Good release date for Bluray

A good release date for the Rise Bluray would be Thanksgiving week.

11-22-11 Tuseday. Almost goes well with ALZ112 ;)

Al

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Haristas: "At the end of BATTLE Caesar's statue sheds a tear. What does it mean? I don't know -- it's too loopy!"

Although I'm reluctant to believe you're serious about that question, your follow-up comments to your own question make you sound rather loopy yourself. So, I'll

I consider the ending scene of Caesar's statue to be one of the most poignant but unsettling images in movie history because it poses us a question to ponder that's highly evocative of the ending of the classic "The Lady OR The Tiger" short story.

Right before the ending of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes", the camera has slowly zoomed out to reveal that the Lawgiver has been reading from his history scroll all along to a class of both ape and human children living in relatively harmony. After the Lawgiver has finally finish his lesson and comments on the progress that apes and humans have made over the past 600 years, the little African-American girl asks him, "Lawgiver, who knows the future?" (Her michievous chimp classmate pulls her pigtail right after she asks that question.)

The Lawgiver seems to sigh and says ever so poignantly, "Perhaps only the dead."

As the Lawgiver concludes his lesson with that remark, the camera pans to a statue of Caesar and zooms in own the statue's face where a lone drop of water -- or tear -- streams down one cheek. If that drop of water was indeed a tear, the question posed by it was this: Was it a tear of joy shed by the Spirit of Caesar for the apparent progress he saw that apes and humans have made over the past 600 years OR did the statue shed a tear of sorrow because the Spirit of Caesar already knew about some as-of-yet imperceivable something that lay down the road that would ultimately destroy the harmony between apes and humans in the future?

When it comes to speculating about whether the Spirit of Caesar shed a tear of joy OR sorrow, arguments can be made for both positions. However, I've come up with have third interpretation of that ending which might be more disturbing: The Spirit of Caesar shed a tear that was equal parts joy and sorror because although he felt relief and prife for what progress had been made over the past six centuries since his death, at the same time he felt deep sorrow about something that he saw down the road to the Future that either posed a profound threat or spelled ultimate doom to the harmony between apes and humans.


But what do *you* think?

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Smurfs is not a boxoffice bomb, it more of a landmine.

A landmine not only takes out the one soldier it takes

one or two others who have to carry the wounded off the

battlefield. Which is what Smurfs is doing.  Not only does

it sell a ticket to the kids, it takes a parent or two who have

to take the kids to the movie as well.  Double Bonus Sales!

 

 

In a message dated 8/27/2011 6:16:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

Fox had some of their best reviewed popcorn movies recently but they didn't do as well at the box office as some of the crappier ones. Though there was the economy and not a lot of marketing support from Fox.

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And Kim's Birthday!  11/12/22

 

In a message dated 8/27/2011 7:50:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pota1968@... writes:

11-22-11 Tuseday. Almost goes well with ALZ112 ;)

 

Al

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Those who don't know their future are doomed to screw

it up in the past.  He can't even get the dates right.

 

 

In a message dated 8/27/2011 10:18:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, JamesA1102@... writes:

What is simple to me is to respect the intentions of the filmmakers. Paul Dehn, the screenwriter, stated the intent was a time circle or loop.

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Jeff K: "'Revenge of the POTA' is the title the writers have suggested for the sequel to 'Rise'."

Oh, please no! Since the Planet of the Apes hasn't even started in earnest, there's no planet of apes to respond to the call for revenge on the scale suggested by such a title.

I would believe that the already-used "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" would be a title worth considering for the sequel. (And if the second sequel is made around the same time period to serve as a bookend for a trilogy, I think "Genesis of the Planet of the Apes" would be a good title for that one.)

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I always said "Birth of the Planet of the Apes"- a slight connection to Conquest and the title is the truth. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> Jeff K: "'Revenge of the POTA' is the title the writers have suggested for the sequel to 'Rise'."
>
> Oh, please no! Since the Planet of the Apes hasn't even started in earnest, there's no planet of apes to respond to the call for revenge on the scale suggested by such a title.
>
> I would believe that the already-used "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" would be a title worth considering for the sequel. (And if the second sequel is made around the same time period to serve as a bookend for a trilogy, I think "Genesis of the Planet of the Apes" would be a good title for that one.)
>

The statue is crying because it sucks to be a statue. You don't get any action.


From: shrstrategygames
Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2011 11:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure



Haristas: "At the end of BATTLE Caesar's statue sheds a tear. What does it mean? I don't know -- it's too loopy!"

Although I'm reluctant to believe you're serious about that question, your follow-up comments to your own question make you sound rather loopy yourself. So, I'll

I consider the ending scene of Caesar's statue to be one of the most poignant but unsettling images in movie history because it poses us a question to ponder that's highly evocative of the ending of the classic "The Lady OR The Tiger" short story.

Right before the ending of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes", the camera has slowly zoomed out to reveal that the Lawgiver has been reading from his history scroll all along to a class of both ape and human children living in relatively harmony. After the Lawgiver has finally finish his lesson and comments on the progress that apes and humans have made over the past 600 years, the little African-American girl asks him, "Lawgiver, who knows the future?" (Her michievous chimp classmate pulls her pigtail right after she asks that question.)

The Lawgiver seems to sigh and says ever so poignantly, "Perhaps only the dead."

As the Lawgiver concludes his lesson with that remark, the camera pans to a statue of Caesar and zooms in own the statue's face where a lone drop of water -- or tear -- streams down one cheek. If that drop of water was indeed a tear, the question posed by it was this: Was it a tear of joy shed by the Spirit of Caesar for the apparent progress he saw that apes and humans have made over the past 600 years OR did the statue shed a tear of sorrow because the Spirit of Caesar already knew about some as-of-yet imperceivable something that lay down the road that would ultimately destroy the harmony between apes and humans in the future?

When it comes to speculating about whether the Spirit of Caesar shed a tear of joy OR sorrow, arguments can be made for both positions. However, I've come up with have third interpretation of that ending which might be more disturbing: The Spirit of Caesar shed a tear that was equal parts joy and sorror because although he felt relief and prife for what progress had been made over the past six centuries since his death, at the same time he felt deep sorrow about something that he saw down the road to the Future that either posed a profound threat or spelled ultimate doom to the harmony between apes and humans.

But what do *you* think?

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As approximately half of POTA 2001's revenues came from abroad, and the trend is being rather closely followed by Rise, foreign performance of our beloved Rise seems significant.

Of particular intrigue, Freida Pinto's India (and for that matter, Freida herself, ha ha!) has well over a billion people:

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html"

who comprise nearly a fifth of the world's total population. Nevertheless relatively few Rise tickets have sold there:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=riseoftheapes.htm

Any idea why? Granted, purchasing power isn't so high for at least some in India. And Freida Pinto reportedly bypassed becoming a Bollywood star, although Slumdog Millionaire would have nevertheless seemingly given her greater appeal in her native land.

Perhaps folks in India are comparatively more passive, and therefore less likely to find a movie like Rise particularly invigorating? I tend to think folks in their technical support centers are counterproductively polite. Notice how folks selected for such jobs ask various times for a customer's permission each time they put one on hold, for example? Talk about squishy.

Or perhaps India's such a racially homogenous nation that they don't have to squander energies contemplating interracial tensions like those touched upon by the POTA series? Rise ticket sales haven't exactly been stellar in Norway, Sweden, Finland or Iceland, either.

I wonder when the movie will be released in China, and how it will do in the land of the Panda? By the way, I'm not sure that the trailer we've been viewing recently is Chinese instead of Japanese. I used to be conversant in Mandarin. I'm willing to view it a second time but I presently think it's Japanese.

Incidentally, I am not aware that Avatar was ever released in Iran (certainly not during its first half a year in existence, any way) and it doesn't seem that Rise has been released there, either. Mullahs are not fond of the uprising theme any more than Egypt's Mubarak, Libya's Gaddafi, or the Los Angeles police officers blamed by some for the Rodney King Riots.

By the way, Rise is due to be released fairly soon in Mexico. It may have been recently released in Brazil, which I have heard received 10 times as many slaves sold by Africa centuries ago as the USA did. Brazil's Latin America's biggest economy nowadays. To my knowledge, Brazil is the only other country South of Canada (in addition to the USA) where racial quotas are imposed in hiring and such. Perhaps the racial tension is there to inspire Rise sales; or perhaps Rise sales are inspired by something entirely different. Brazil is rising, in its own right, hosting upcoming World Cup soccer and also Olympics events.

As for the USA's neighboring Mexico, Avatar was the most successful movie, ever, there (even adjusting for inflation, I concluded). I don't know how POTA2001 did there, but Avatar made approximately $30 million in Mexico. I think Rise could make at least $10 million, which is a success by Mexican standards. Mexico has a third of the U.S. population, a GDP per capita that is multiples lower than that of the USA, and a copyrighted materials piracy problem. Besides, 70% of Mexicans are under age 30. POTA 1968 was already ten years old by the time the vast majority of Mexicans were even born...

Any thoughts, amigos?

I have spoken with various Austrians who say Arnold Schwarzenegger is NOT universally appreciated in Austria, for reasons that seem akin to what you described regarding the perception of Freida Pinto by some purists in India.

As for Latin America, uprisings and even "civil war" are part of some folks' relatively recent memories. Purchasing power and antipiracy protection for movies aren't what they are for Latinos here in the USA, though. Still, the region's padding of global ticket sales for Rise will be appreciated.

May Rise keep rising :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I read someplace that there's some kind of accounting dispute going on between Fox and the India company releasing RISE there, so the figures aren't entirely in yet. RISE was opening at the largest number of single screen theatres in India, but I don't know about multiplexes -- or even if they have them in India.
>
> Freida Pinto, as I think I've also read, is seen as something of a Hollywood sellout in her native country. Some feel she should only be making movies in India. I don't know if this is really true or if it has affected RISE there, but we'll see.
>
> All and all, though, I think RISE has generally proved quite strong at the box office -- everywhere.
>
> Looking forward to news of its release in South America.
>
>

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This week's foreign numbers are in and "Rise of the POTA" has passed $300 million worldwide. It's made a couple million more than "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind" did 35 years ago; it's made a few million more than that "G.I. Joe" movie did a couple years ago (and that's getting a sequel). And it's about $ 20 million behind "Capt. America" which was released two weeks earlier. But it's still got a lot of hustling to do to catch up to "The Smurfs" ($385 million).
In short, not good enough. Now, I want you apes to get out there and hit them hard! We've got a few more openings left and I want to see full theaters. Let's go!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

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Saw this on IGN's website. Pretty cool.

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Not sure why you think it's Japanese.  There's no Japanese in it.

Not only does it not sound Japanese in language, but in style.

I took three years of Japanese at university.  I wasn't any good,

but even I know the difference.  Also Japanese put Japanese

characters between the Chinese character. Like in this one

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDWhy10_vjE

 

It's far more reserved.  I also found out why no

boxoffice totals from there.  Oct. 7th is the

release date.  Should be a big boost. They

LOVE POTA!  I'm sure it will be a big hit.

 

 

In a message dated 8/28/2011 2:14:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

I'm not sure that the trailer we've been viewing recently is Chinese instead of Japanese. I used to be conversant in Mandarin. I'm willing to view it a second time but I presently think it's Japanese.

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"Rise" isn't playing in multiplexes in India because of revenue sharing. It's only playing in single theaters. So I guess if you're married you can't see it there.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/apes-extinct-indian-multiplexes-revenue-220021



From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 12:35 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] RISE in India




Who says it's not a success in Pinto land?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/box-office/Apes-mania-strikes-Indian-audiences/articleshow/9719378.cms

A four star review in the Times of India:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/movie-reviews/english/Rise-of-the-Planet-of-the-Apes/moviereview/9481442.cms

And there was this interesting comment left in the comments section of the review:

"Can anybody tell me why this Film is not released in Multiplexes all over india. It is released only in single screens."

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In a message dated 8/28/2011 4:24:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

YAY!  And in less than a month.  Now let's see how long it takes to overcome POTA2001's worldwide total over the past decade -- that loser movie!

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