--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Whatever the case maybe, RISE is now over $300 million worldwide.
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=riseoftheapes.htm
> Â
> Al
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Not sure why you think it's Japanese. There's no Japanese in it.
> Not only does it not sound Japanese in language, but in style.
> I took three years of Japanese at university. I wasn't any good,
> but even I know the difference. Also Japanese put Japanese
> characters between the Chinese character. Like in this one
>
> _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDWhy10_vjE_
> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDWhy10_vjE)
>
> It's far more reserved. I also found out why no
> boxoffice totals from there. Oct. 7th is the
> release date. Should be a big boost. They
> LOVE POTA! I'm sure it will be a big hit.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> OK, so "Rise of the POTA" isn't knocking it out of the park like we hoped. But it looks like it should at least make it to $400 million worldwide.
>
> Who else was in that ballpark their first time out as a reboot? Let me tell you. Here's a clue: "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you".
> Yes, that's right. "Batman Begins" made $372 million worldwide. And look at it now. Over $ 1 billion for the sequel and # 3 is the most anticipated movie of 2012. Well, it would be if it weren't for "The Hobbit". And who's in "The Hobbit"? That's right, Andy "Rise of the POTA" Serkis. And who did the FX for "The Hobbit"? Yes, WETA "Rise of the POTA" WETA. That's right.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=batmanbegins.htm
>
> Does anyone here like science fiction? What about the last "Star Trek", how many saw that? Raise your hands. Oh, quite a few. The sequel to that is highly anticipated, isn't it? That must have made a lot of money! Did it make a billion dollars? No. It made $ 385 million worldwide. "Rise" will make at least that, right?
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek11.htm
>
> So what does "Rise" have in common with those? Word of mouth. Can we all say that together? "Word of mouth". That's right. Because people liked "Rise", didn't they? And they left wanting more. And the studio knows that long term loyalty is more important than short term profit. Some people didn't see "Rise" for whatever reason, the economy, the Burton movie, revenue sharing, whatever. But they'll see it on DVD and Fox is confident when they do they'll be on board for the sequel. Because that's how franchise building works. And if Fox doesn't get that, they're what? "Knuckleheads!" That's right.
> So turn that frown upside down and be happy!
>

 

Jeff:
Many thanks for that inspirational analysis. Admittedly the sequel to Batman Begins had the boost from Heath Ledger's mysterious passing. But you seem to think that the next Batman will be just as huge...we shall see. Christian Bale has since tarnished his rep. with that Terminator tantrum made available on Youtube.

Anyhow, I have often thought that the Star Trek reboot was comparable to Rise in terms of freshness & appeal, while also being truthful to the franchise. But I didn't yet realize that Rise had nearly caught it, revenue-wise. But then again, it stands to reason. Star Trek is FAR more popular in the USA than abroad:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek11.htm

I know this in part because I was contracted by United International Pictures as an eager >volunteer< to help promote Star Trek in Mexico's talkshow circuit during the late 1990's. Star Wars was re-released later that same year, and blew the Borg (Star Trek: First Contact) episode away. When the next episode / movie came out, I didn't have the time to participate and it performed even WORSE (seemingly exculpating me, ha ha!) I'm astonished to see that the most recent one made $3 million in Mexico:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=startrek11.htm

But with a third of the population and 4 times lower GDP yet 70% under age 30, 3 million is nothing compared to the $250ish that it made in the USA. Avatar made ten times more in Mexico (setting an all-time record, I think even adjusted for inflation).

Speaking of which, there's an inflation adjuster in the upper right corner of this Top 100 box office revenues list:

http://boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm?adjust_yr=2011&p=.htm

The following seems far more useful for our purposes, though:

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

To catch POTA2001, Rise needs to gross $446m worldwide at the box office...

Foreign sales of Rise tickets will substantially outpace domestic ones, which is potentially very significant...(and also unusual). As I'd mentioned before, though, Rise's case is more >overtly< international than any of the predecessors. Not a bad idea of Fox's casting dept. to do that, given the greying of America... and the love of video games among our remaining youth.

 

Thats Great news Alex. The 300 million mark was a physcological mark for Fox and Apes from all the professional rags ive been reading (At the Aug 5th date date 200-250 was the mark) and I know know everything will get done , sequels ,toys, and more believe me its an Ape comeback. Great reviews great money. The Apoes never made boatloads of money, they are an aquired taste. Brains with brawn is sometimes a hard sell. With some good markets still eady to open , Mexico, South America(Some) and the linguiring showings all over the world. What a racket. Big weekend, good word of mouth, alot of talk, a sequel or two , toys and DVD/Blurays, the ending and forgotten. Sad really. Not like the old days when a film oppened up in your paper and it took a month(building momentum0 to get to your nearest theater. The wanting was more pleasuable than having sometimes. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Whatever the case maybe, RISE is now over $300 million worldwide.
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=riseoftheapes.htm
>  
> Al
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, I don't think Ledger's death made "The Dark Knight" a billionaire. It was just a rocking movie, and the people who said, "Not another Batman movie!" to the first one saw it on DVD and were in. Plus the Joker vs. Batman is a big draw ("The Dark Knight" is the most popular Batman movie, Burton's is # 2). "The Dark Knight Rises" will be huge.
> It remains to be seen if they can do a "Star Trek" that does big business worldwide. It seems to have a limited audience.
> So I guess POTA2001 basically did what "Thor" did this year. It would rock if "Rise" passed $500 million.
>
> http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thor.htm
>
>
>

I can tell you right now the answer to that question is no.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> I think it's potentially worth wondering if anything resembling Judy's "Usa" source of cult inspiration might somehow eventually pop up in the intriguing chronicles of the Mendez Dynasty :-)
>
> http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Judy_Franklin
>
> The Mendez Dynasty seems pretty true to the original 5 movies, but perhaps that doesn't necessarily preclude loyalty to the cartoon series :-)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, I don't think Ledger's death made "The Dark Knight" a billionaire. It was just a rocking movie, and the people who said, "Not another Batman movie!" to the first one saw it on DVD and were in. Plus the Joker vs. Batman is a big draw ("The Dark Knight" is the most popular Batman movie, Burton's is # 2). "The Dark Knight Rises" will be huge.
> It remains to be seen if they can do a "Star Trek" that does big business worldwide. It seems to have a limited audience.
> So I guess POTA2001 basically did what "Thor" did this year. It would rock if "Rise" passed $500 million.
>
> http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thor.htm
>
>
>

> Did anyone here see THOR? I thought it got mostly bad reviews. I
> took a pass, but I'll probably rent the Blu-ray.

 

But there's also the issue of 3D prices, which beefed up Thor's bottom line with less tickets sold.

Did anyone here see THOR?  I thought it got mostly bad reviews.  I took a pass, but I'll probably rent the Blu-ray.

 

-- Rory

> I think the reason movies are doing so well overseas this summer is Americans are burned out on 3D and want to save a buck but other countries are still ga ga for 3D. So that's to the disadvantage of "Rise" overseas. People are saying.

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> I think the reason movies are doing so well overseas this summer is Americans are burned out on 3D and want to save a buck but other countries are still ga ga for 3D. So that's to the disadvantage of "Rise" overseas. People are saying.

I can't speak for all countries but that is definitely NOT the case here in the UK. 3D 'fatigue' set in late last year and a backlash is well and truly underway with 3D versions being boycotted in favour of 'flat' versions. Over here many a film review will urge readers not to bother with a 'pointless' 3D version.

So there :O)

Dave

 

> Did anyone here see THOR? I thought it got mostly bad reviews. I
> took a pass, but I'll probably rent the Blu-ray.

I saw it and enjoyed it quite a bit. Like most good films this
summer, it wasn't perfect, but it was fun and well worth seeing in the
theater.

Hunter

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well, POTA2001 and "Rise" cost about the same (according to the official budgets), $ 100 million and $ 93 million, respectively. And taking inflation into account, "Rise" probably cost more and had to make do with less. But Fox definitely spent less on marketing.
>
>

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:18 PM, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote:

Some people will not like this updated look

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "paisleykid1" <mstanley@...> wrote:
>
> James, the latest addition to the phot album, the Planet of the Apes Cheat Sheet, looks interesting, but it is too small to read, and any attempt to magnify it blurs/digitalizes it so it is still unreadable. Any way to make this image larger? Thanks!
>

> 1. There is only one ape character -- Caesar -- whose character has been developed to any appreciable degree and even he is still an embryonic character in terms of sentience who hasn't yet fully expressed aloud (by speaking) what's on his mind.

> 2. The other ape characters who've been introduced haven't fully emerged as sentient characters on the level of Caesar who himself is still a nascent character in terms of sentience.

> 3. The apes have escaped into the wilds of the redwood forests of northern part of the very populated state of California. Their survival will ultimately depend upon how Will Rodman and/or GenSys campaign to protect them. Will Rodman should have the upper hand in campaigning for the apes' protection. GenSys should have well-paid lobbyists to twist some politicians' arms to protect its interests. Will Rodman, however, has the best motive of all: Not only to protect Caesar and the apes but also to save the entire human race.

> 4. Even in the best circumstances, the apes cannot credibly survive without the aid and assistance of some human mentors to educate and train them how to survive near holocaust-like conditions that may follow the devestation wreaked by the contagion that decimates humankind.

> 5. In order to honor the spirit, if not the letter, of the course of events about how apes rose originally related by Zira & Cornelius in "Escape", it would not surprise me if the screenwriters had GenSys try to capture and exploit their ape progenies for physical labor because in the aftermath of the contagion holocaust, manpower for certain menial jobs would probably be scarce.

> Essentially, "Rise" feels like the first chapter of a duology or trilogy. I just hope there's somebody among the screenwriters and/or director who has a master vision for the POTA reboot and enough clout to bring it to the silver screen."

> http://www.apecentral.net/2011/08/sequel-tidbits-rupert-wyatts-interview-with-bleedingcoolcom.html"

> http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/taylorship.jpg

How's this?

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/2042608613/pic/1315188769/view?picmode=original&mode=tn&order=mtime&start=1&dir=desc

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "paisleykid1" <mstanley@...> wrote:
>
> James, the latest addition to the phot album, the Planet of the Apes Cheat Sheet, looks interesting, but it is too small to read, and any attempt to magnify it blurs/digitalizes it so it is still unreadable. Any way to make this image larger? Thanks!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> Although I refuse to get dragged back into this debate, since it's
> repeatedly being pointed out what Paul Dehn intended I thought it was
> worth mentioning that in his original screenplay for BENEATH, Brent comes
> upon a futuristic looking underground city. There are no 20th Century
> landmarks at all, and in fact it isn't until his interrogation by the
> Mutants that he finds out he's back on Earth. The familiar landmarks
> became incorporated into the production, and in fact it was James
> Franciscus himself who came up with the scene in the subway where he
> discovers the truth during the rewrite he did. So right there you have
> something showing that the original downfall of mankind could have easily
> taken place in the 25th century.
>
> Also, if Zira and Cornelius were relating distorted information about
> their own history (500 years from the beginning of ape slavery until the
> uprising), Dehn would have indicated that at some point. It doesn't
> matter that the audience never witnesses said events. If Dehn had
> intended the information they conveyed to either be hearsay, incorrect,
> etc he would have indicated that at some point.
>
> True, history does get distorted over the course of time. Let's remember
> though that these are FICTIONAL characters in a FICTIONAL universe, so
> you really can't apply a real life historical approach to the data. It is
> what it is, not "Oh, it didn't necessarily happen that way because we
> never saw it- so how do we know it's true?". We know it's a STORY written
> by someone. Several people actually, but Dehn deservedly gets most of the
> credit.
>
> The alternate timeline theory in an imaginative way to explain some of
> the continuity
>
> Actually, it addresses far more of the inconsistencies than the time loop
> does.
> Also, there is not a single line of dialogue in any of the films that
> directly establishes or supports C&Z creating an alternate timeline. But
> there are many that support Dehn's time circle.
> Dehn implied it in BATTLE, with a lengthy conversation between Virgil,
> Caesar, and MacDonald while they were in the Forbidden City.
> Dr. Milo: "And earth will be destroyed just as we saw it."
> He'd actually have no way of knowing that. What if- in Dehn's fictional
> universe- the revelation about Earth's destruction resulted in the bomb
> being dismantled? Taylor knew about it, so it existed during the events
> of ESCAPE.
> Zira: "We came from YOUR FUTURE."
> Technically, she's correct. This neither proves nor disproves anything.
> The Lawgiver: "Then God in his wrath sent the world a savior miraculously
> born of two Apes who had descended on Earth from Earth's OWN FUTURE."
> Same as above. Caesar was born to Zira, who had come from Earth's future.
> Caesar: "I went looking for my past, but I found OUR FUTURE".
> Semantical interpretation of his comment. Could also easily be
> interpreted as "our future" referring to the collective society of apes
> and humans and how they needed to live together in peace.
> The entire support for the alternate timeline theory rests with Cornelius
> and Zira's testimony of how Apes rose; however, that has too many
> problems to be taken seriously.
> First, that history is total inconsistent with what had been previously
> established in the films. In Planet, Cornelius dates the artifacts in the
> cave (including the doll) as 2,000 years old from the 20th century.
> Exactly. He said the artifact is 2000 years old. NOT that it was 2000
> years old in that specific condition.
> In Beneath, all the ruins in the Forbidden Zone are from the 20th
> century.
> Production decision- see above. In fact, that particular scene was
> cobbled together in the editing room using footage from the bleeding
> Lawgiver scene. I wrote a length post once describing the same landmarks
> horses being near certain rocks, etc) appearing in different shots. I
> don't believe the scene appears in any version of the screenplay.
> Let's not forget that budgetary constraints changed a lot of what was
> originally written. I'd point out the interview with Wiliam Creber in
> BEHIND where he explains how they took the photographs of NYC landmarks
> to be used in BENEATH (he said something about figuring out angles that
> worked for what they wanted to show). The script was constantly being
> changed, so it went from a nondescript, futuristic looking underground
> city to the ruins of NYC. Also, why would major landmarks like the New
> York Public Library, Radio City, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Grand Central
> Terminal etc not exist in the 25th century?
> Taylor even calls the Alpha-Omega bomb a souvenir from the 20th century.
> So? What does that have to do with anything? It means that it existed
> when he left Earth.
> In Escape Cornelius tells the commission that Apes had been speaking
> English for 2,000 years. All of which points to a downfall of man and
> rise of apes in the 20th century, not the 25th, which is totally
> consistent with the events later seen in Conquest and Battle.
> The one place where Dehn contradicted himself in his own story, because
> this conflicts with Zira's statements that would place the downfall in
> the 25th century. Why is it that Zira had to be wrong?
> Second, the audience never witnesses the events C&Z relate. Nor have the
> characters of C&Z witnessed those events. So those events can't be taken
> at rock hard accurate. It is hearsay at best. A more likely an
> explanation for the inconsistencies is that historical events that C&Z
> read about were distorted over the centuries, either intentionally or
> accidentally.
> Addressed above.
> There are those who will say that Caesar's actions in Battle created an
> alternate timeline, and a more hopeful future, which I don't dispute. But
> if an alternate timeline was created is was in Battle and not before.
> We actually don't know what happens after BATTLE (yet, anyway), but
> there's enough evidence to support the theory that the alternate timeline
> started in ESCAPE and evolved from there.
> As I said, I'm not getting into an ongoing debate about this particular
> topic. Read (or ignore) what I wrote and everyone make their own
> decision. I've said my piece.
> Chris L.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Very simple to me. The arrival of the apes in Escape changed everything
> that was to be written down in ape history and created a new history for
> the apes to ponder over.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think the reason movies are doing so well overseas this summer is Americans are burned out on 3D and want to save a buck but other countries are still ga ga for 3D. So that's to the disadvantage of "Rise" overseas. People are saying.
>
> I can't speak for all countries but that is definitely NOT the case here in the UK. 3D 'fatigue' set in late last year and a backlash is well and truly underway with 3D versions being boycotted in favour of 'flat' versions. Over here many a film review will urge readers not to bother with a 'pointless' 3D version.
>
> So there :O)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> I think the resurrection of 3-D is one of the most retarded things Hollywood has done since Sensurround. It's just a bunch of gimmicks.
>
> The best thing in a movie IS A GOOD SCRIPT!
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> SFX Mag gave RISE grudging 3.5 stars out of 5 , whilst EMPIRE, a non sci fi, straight movie mag, gave RISE 4 out of 5.I've noticed that the movie mags seem to be more favourable than an alleged sci fi mag like SFX (which,rather than give Apes a cover feature, shoe horned in a facile and premature Spider-Man feature).Cowboys and Aliens has had great coverage from SFX--a cynical person might wonder if invite to the premiere and interview with Harrison Ford can help produce favourable coverage.Apes had no premiere in the UK.SFX mag has a little raves and reviews feature for the staff--none of them mention RISE, before or after.Nowadays in the UK, if it aint Doctor WHO or some gender busting scf fi twaddle,it seems modern sci fi journalists aren't interested.With a circulation of 30k, it's pretty irrelevant, anyway, but I had hoped the sci fi media would support RISE better.Apes is, after all, a decades old mega franchise that keeps on delivering.John, Scrolls.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> RonHatter: "Some people will not like this updated look."
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/taylorship.jpg
>
> The only thing that I myself don't like about it is that it makes the interior of the Icarus look most uncramped and far too expansive.
>
> If you were to make the interior look smaller and more in line with the internal dimensions suggested by the films, it would certainly look more familiar. Also, it looks entirely too well lit up. You didn't use any atmospheric shadows or suggestion of any dimly-lit areas of the craft. Shadows would help to create a more claustrophic feeling of being in spacecraft.
>
> When Taylor was looking out his front windows at the stars streaking by, he would most certainly not have enjoyed that light show with the interior all lit up. What's more, subdued lighting also lent a special aura to the scenes of his crewmates in suspended animation.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> i thought everything looked real good, especially taylor looked just like charlton heston, the only thing i did notice upon review is that the curve of the wall was straight up instead of the hull shape on the icarus.
> jim
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "RonHatter" <ronhatter@...> wrote:
>
>
> The lighting, which makes a big difference, is not in it's final state here, this is really to show the interior better within the context of this pic.
>
> the size is a different story all together, a big part of that has to do with the virtual camera lens, a lot was squeezed into the frame, so the proportions are not quite realistic, but it's not necessarily supposed to be, I'm not trying to carbon copy the exact same visual atmosphere as the original film.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
> >
> > RonHatter: "Some people will not like this updated look."
> >
> > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/taylorship.jpg
> >
> > The only thing that I myself don't like about it is that it makes the interior of the Icarus look most uncramped and far too expansive.
> >
> > If you were to make the interior look smaller and more in line with the internal dimensions suggested by the films, it would certainly look more familiar. Also, it looks entirely too well lit up. You didn't use any atmospheric shadows or suggestion of any dimly-lit areas of the craft. Shadows would help to create a more claustrophic feeling of being in spacecraft.
> >
> > When Taylor was looking out his front windows at the stars streaking by, he would most certainly not have enjoyed that light show with the interior all lit up. What's more, subdued lighting also lent a special aura to the scenes of his crewmates in suspended animation.
> >
>

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On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:12 AM, Haristas@... wrote:

 

 

The best thing in a movie IS A GOOD SCRIPT!

 

-- Rory

My sentiments exactly. 

The original POTA was great because it had a great script. The Burton POTA was a dismal failure because they started shooting with a weak script and thought they could 'wing it' as they were filming. Think of any great movie and I guarantee that when you really think about it, you'll discover that it had a great script.

Dario

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
>
> On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:12 AM, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> >
> > The best thing in a movie IS A GOOD SCRIPT!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> My sentiments exactly.
>
> The original POTA was great because it had a great script. The Burton POTA was a dismal failure because they started shooting with a weak script and thought they could 'wing it' as they were filming. Think of any great movie and I guarantee that when you really think about it, you'll discover that it had a great script.
>
> Dario
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> Is it fair to say that some scripts are more equal than others? :-)
>
> I loved finding out while in college that Taylor was paraphrasing Henry David Thoreau with that simian inquisition observation of his...
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@> wrote:
> >
> > On Aug 30, 2011, at 12:12 AM, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The best thing in a movie IS A GOOD SCRIPT!
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> >
> > My sentiments exactly.
> >
> > The original POTA was great because it had a great script. The Burton POTA was a dismal failure because they started shooting with a weak script and thought they could 'wing it' as they were filming. Think of any great movie and I guarantee that when you really think about it, you'll discover that it had a great script.
> >
> > Dario
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> It's simple. Out of 100 it's 20% per star instead of 25%.
> each half star is 12.5%. And the only movies that should
> get 5 out of 5 are movies like POTA. ; )
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/30/2011 11:48:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> I'd only give RISE three out of four stars. I prefer the four star
> system, don't understand the need for five stars, but in the five star system,
> I'd give RISE four out of five.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>
> The Apes also are a very British genre with the actors(many English) and writers such as Dehn and J.Lee Thompson , so to me it has alot of English DNA. Johgn, I wrote in a previous post about a month ago that I have reletives in Newcastle-upon-tyne. That is near the Roman wall and Scotland if I remember and my mothers side comes from their and we still have family their though I havent seen them since 1965.
> Take care from brother from America, John M.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > SFX Mag gave RISE grudging 3.5 stars out of 5 , whilst EMPIRE, a non sci fi, straight movie mag, gave RISE 4 out of 5.I've noticed that the movie mags seem to be more favourable than an alleged sci fi mag like SFX (which,rather than give Apes a cover feature, shoe horned in a facile and premature Spider-Man feature).Cowboys and Aliens has had great coverage from SFX--a cynical person might wonder if invite to the premiere and interview with Harrison Ford can help produce favourable coverage.Apes had no premiere in the UK.SFX mag has a little raves and reviews feature for the staff--none of them mention RISE, before or after.Nowadays in the UK, if it aint Doctor WHO or some gender busting scf fi twaddle,it seems modern sci fi journalists aren't interested.With a circulation of 30k, it's pretty irrelevant, anyway, but I had hoped the sci fi media would support RISE better.Apes is, after all, a decades old mega franchise that keeps on delivering.John, Scrolls.
> >
>

 

  "Rise of the POTA" is currently # 11 for the year on the domestic charts:

 

  http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2011&p=.htm

 

 And # 13 worldwide for the year so far:

 

 http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2011&p=.htm

> The
> Burton POTA was a dismal failure because they started shooting with a
> weak script and thought they could 'wing it' as they were filming.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

 

Reminder from:		pota Yahoo! Group
Title:		It's Our Birthday
Date:		Wednesday August 31, 2011
Time:		All Day
Repeats:		This event repeats every year.
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> zira could have just been wrong, or misspoke because she was lying to protect her baby, giving a safe buffer zone of 300 years, pregnant much?
> how many things  said in court today, or said or shown in life today, can be used as indisputable canon of history?
> people lie and make mistakes say things that they are thinking that arent true, absent mindedly, or just in error.
> milo warned them not to talk aboutthe arth being destroyed by apes. she might have stumbled verbly on purpose or out of nerviousness.
> i was a translator for the courts years ago, and i will tell you, that people do strange things under pressure. they blame others instead of themselves, change times and places, even just screw it all up because they are being pressured by peers and the court system. not all intentionly lie, but they make mistakes more often than not.
> some are even coerced by others who are afraid of getting caught for thier crazy schemes that dont work out.
> even brainwashed, as with the moony cultists i had to work with over a tresspassing and camping charge. they were actually brainwashed with drugs and conditioned to forget all about thier leader who told them to establish a camp on this guy's property, and blame themselves. the leader was caught a few days later reclaiming some equipment and valuables at the campsite and confessed that he had not only told them to go there, but drugged them and ordered them to blame themselves instead of him.
> my point being, is this;
> why not have another answer to all this, just be like real life?
> its all screwed up, and the witnesses are not reliable.
> as for the ruins, not every part of the world was upgraded to high tech sleek new world city standards. there were slums and areas that might have been left as historical monuments and muesums. including  a subway station.
> it is also very possible as an answer.
> jim
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:

>
> Although I refuse to get dragged back into this debate, since it's
> repeatedly being pointed out what Paul Dehn intended I thought it was
> worth mentioning that in his original screenplay for BENEATH, Brent comes
> upon a futuristic looking underground city. There are no 20th Century
> landmarks at all, and in fact it isn't until his interrogation by the
> Mutants that he finds out he's back on Earth. The familiar landmarks
> became incorporated into the production, and in fact it was James
> Franciscus himself who came up with the scene in the subway where he
> discovers the truth during the rewrite he did. So right there you have
> something showing that the original downfall of mankind could have easily
> taken place in the 25th century.

That script is on Hunter's site and is a very good read. https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_revisited_first_01.pdf

On page 58 of that very script there is a description of a portrait of Mendez I, dated 1997 – B.3., which describes him as wearing the 20^th century uniform of a U.S. Army five star general. Several pages later, Mendez tells Brent that in the first year of the bomb his forefather led those who "built a this white, new city out of the blackened bowls of the old". So rather than there being something showing that the original downfall of mankind could have easily taken place in the 25^th century, there is a direct reference to it happening in the 20^th century and that the futuristic city was built by the mutants in the centuries since.

Dehn himself stated that the intention was a nuclear war happening in the 20th century:

>
> Also, if Zira and Cornelius were relating distorted information about
> their own history (500 years from the beginning of ape slavery until the
> uprising), Dehn would have indicated that at some point. It doesn't
> matter that the audience never witnesses said events. If Dehn had
> intended the information they conveyed to either be hearsay, incorrect,
> etc he would have indicated that at some point.

Dehn was sloppy. No one is disputing that. He contradicts himself with Cornelius' line that apes had been speaking English for 2,000 years. Maybe he didn't notice the discrepancy himself or thought the audience wouldn't notice it. Either way he really didn't seem very concerned about the timeframe when he wrote the script to Conquest:

>
> Actually, it addresses far more of the inconsistencies than the time loop
> does.

But why do they need to be addressed? There are inconsistencies in life all the time. Yet so many fans of POTA or Star Trek or Star Wars drive themselves crazy over the slightest inconsistency or continuity error. Why not just enjoy the whole for what it is?

> Dehn implied it in BATTLE, with a lengthy conversation between Virgil,
> Caesar, and MacDonald while they were in the Forbidden City.

No he doesn't. What line of dialogue implies that? Their conversation only talks about changing the future. And why imply it? Why not have Virgil just tell Caesar that his parents had already changed history. If that were an element of the story that would have been a perfect time to establish it for the audience. But instead they edited out all the inconsistencies when replaying C&Z's testimony. So what is really implied is the time loop.

> Dr. Milo: "And earth will be destroyed just as we saw it."
> He'd actually have no way of knowing that.

But Milo is not a real person, he's a fictional character. The lines he speaks are those of the screenwriter who is trying to communicate an element of the story to the audience.

> Zira: "We came from YOUR FUTURE."
> Technically, she's correct. This neither proves nor disproves anything.

It reinforces Milo's line above for the audience. Which reinforces the Dehn's time loop.

> The Lawgiver: "Then God in his wrath sent the world a savior miraculously
> born of two Apes who had descended on Earth from Earth's OWN FUTURE."
> Same as above. Caesar was born to Zira, who had come from Earth's future.

Which again reinforces the time loop for the audience.

> Caesar: "I went looking for my past, but I found OUR FUTURE".
> Semantical interpretation of his comment. Could also easily be
> interpreted as "our future" referring to the collective society of apes
> and humans and how they needed to live together in peace.

Not a semantical interpretation at all. But directly accepting the line for what it is.

> Production decision- see above. In fact, that particular scene was
> cobbled together in the editing room using footage from the bleeding
> Lawgiver scene. I wrote a length post once describing the same landmarks
> horses being near certain rocks, etc) appearing in different shots. I
> don't believe the scene appears in any version of the screenplay.
> Let's not forget that budgetary constraints changed a lot of what was
> originally written. I'd point out the interview with Wiliam Creber in
> BEHIND where he explains how they took the photographs of NYC landmarks
> to be used in BENEATH (he said something about figuring out angles that
> worked for what they wanted to show). The script was constantly being
> changed, so it went from a nondescript, futuristic looking underground
> city to the ruins of NYC. Also, why would major landmarks like the New
> York Public Library, Radio City, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Grand Central
> Terminal etc not exist in the 25th century?

Sure it was a production decision to go with something more affordable but as the script itself shows (as shown above) the nuclear war was in the 20^th century, not the 25^th.

> Taylor even calls the Alpha-Omega bomb a souvenir from the 20th century.
> So? What does that have to do with anything? It means that it existed
> when he left Earth.

It is a reinforcement for the audience that the nuclear war happened in the 20^th century.

> In Escape Cornelius tells the commission that Apes had been speaking
> English for 2,000 years. All of which points to a downfall of man and
> rise of apes in the 20th century, not the 25th, which is totally
> consistent with the events later seen in Conquest and Battle.
> The one place where Dehn contradicted himself in his own story, because
> this conflicts with Zira's statements that would place the downfall in
> the 25th century. Why is it that Zira had to be wrong?

Because it is inconsistent with everything that had been established before in the two previous films and in that film as well. If you took out the timeframe references it wouldn't change the plot of the film one bit so it is rather flimsy evidence to base a whole theory on.

> Second, the audience never witnesses the events C&Z relate. Nor have the
> characters of C&Z witnessed those events. So those events can't be taken
> at rock hard accurate. It is hearsay at best. A more likely an
> explanation for the inconsistencies is that historical events that C&Z
> read about were distorted over the centuries, either intentionally or
> accidentally.
> Addressed above.

But it is hearsay which is a common device used by writers. Kill a character off screen and you can always bring them back because the audience didn't see it happen. The most famous example of this is Obi-Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father. The audience never sees that happen so Lucas was later free to change is and instead make Vader Luke's father.

> There are those who will say that Caesar's actions in Battle created an
> alternate timeline, and a more hopeful future, which I don't dispute. But
> if an alternate timeline was created is was in Battle and not before.
> We actually don't know what happens after BATTLE (yet, anyway), but
> there's enough evidence to support the theory that the alternate timeline
> started in ESCAPE and evolved from there.

I haven't heard any evidence other than the same old `centuries of ape slavery' argument that can be explained many different ways.

----- Original Message -----
From: Blam <blamventurer@...>
Date: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 1:08 am
Subject: [pota] CONSPIRACY OF THE YAHOO GROUP OF THE APES

> Hey guys-
> would love to hear some feedback on Conspiracy, maybe start a
> discussion group. Thoughts?
> -Drew
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> RonHatter: "A closer look at the ship interior, with differen't lighting.
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship-1.jpg
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship2.jpg
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship3.jpg
>
> The dimmer, more atmospheric lighting you used in most of those photographs made the craft seem more three-dimensional and more realistic. You also need to consider shadow-wrapping sectors of the front part of the craft interior as well. And remember that it wouldn't be unusual for there to be subdued lighting at this time since Taylor would likely have already shut down all non-essential systems and lighting to conserve energy before going into suspended animation himself.
>
>
> RonHatter: "The lighting is not very good for Taylor though."
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/ts8.jpg
>
> Then you should experiment with having the glow of the ship-control lights to illuminate and highlight Taylor's facial features. That would also make it more atmospheric, too.
>
> I am wondering why you're going to the trouble of covering all that already-covered territory with Taylor all over again. Is it really necessary?
>
>
> RonHatter: "... and a look at the Exterior."
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship4.jpg
>
> Since Taylor and his comrades were still in suspended animation when the ship went through the Hasslein Curve, in my opinion, we don't need all the visuals of what was going on on the exterior of the ship.
>
> On the other hand, what if that dead lake in the Forbidden Zone of the original Planet of the Apes no longer existed in this apparently new timeline? Even though his ship originally wasn't supposed to have gone into splashdown mode, wouldn't Taylor's ship have had route itself to another local, area or regional body of water in which to splashdown in this new timeline?
>