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New Lesson and an Anniversary!
ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 9:41 AM, . <aquaboi@...> wrote:

COOL!

happy anniversary!

jim

From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 3:34 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Anniversary Reminder

It's our 13th Anniversary today!

To celebrate there is a special anniversary LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER.

To view the LESSON click this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm.

Happy anniversary everybody!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website- Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive - Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies.
• Cornelius' Journal- The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations- The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery- Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section- POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.
• The Photos Section- POTA pics contributed by members.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com wrote:

Reminder from:		pota Yahoo! Group
Title:		It's Our Birthday
Date:		Wednesday August 31, 2011
Time:		All Day
Repeats:		This event repeats every year.
Location:		http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/
Notes:		POTA Group founded on this day in 1998

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Eek! Rush by my publisher to get the book in stores in time for Rise. I will make sure that if there are subsequent printings, that info is there - everything that FOX required is there. Also, I will make sure that stuff is in the sequel book, DEATH of the PLANET OF THE APES. I have nothing but praise for the source material - and the people responsible for it.

-Drew

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Hey guys-
> would love to hear some feedback on Conspiracy, maybe start a discussion group. Thoughts?
> -Drew
>
>
>
>
> Looks like right now we're absorbed in RISE's grosses. Poor "Conspiracy" is on the back burner. I've started it, but I'm having a hard time making time for it.
>
> I will tell you something that bugs me about "Conspiracy, just as it bugs me about RISE, and that is that no where is Pierre Boulle credited, and "Conspiracy" even quotes dialogue from PLANET, but Michael Wilson and Rod Serling aren't credited.
>
> What's up with that?
>

Conspiracy answers some of this, and its coming sequels answer all of it - without contradicting anything on film, it all makes sense. I have received fan praise for this, read the reviews by critics and fans alike. And please, read the book! Jessica, tell them!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
> SOME ONE EDIT THE MOVIES SO THAT THEY ARE CONSISTANT AND PUT IT ON YOUTUBE OR SOMETHING!
> JIM
>
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 4:02 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: generic POTA screenwriter action figure
>
>
> Â
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@ wrote:
> >
> > Although I refuse to get dragged back into this debate, since it's
> > repeatedly being pointed out what Paul Dehn intended I thought it was
> > worth mentioning that in his original screenplay for BENEATH, Brent comes
> > upon a futuristic looking underground city. There are no 20th Century
> > landmarks at all, and in fact it isn't until his interrogation by the
> > Mutants that he finds out he's back on Earth. The familiar landmarks
> > became incorporated into the production, and in fact it was James
> > Franciscus himself who came up with the scene in the subway where he
> > discovers the truth during the rewrite he did. So right there you have
> > something showing that the original downfall of mankind could have easily
> > taken place in the 25th century.
> Â
> That script is on Hunter's site and is a very good read. https://pota.goatley.com/scripts/pota_revisited_first_01.pdf
> Â
> On page 58 of that very script there is a description of a portrait of Mendez I, dated 1997 â€" B.3., which describes him as wearing the 20th century uniform of a U.S. Army five star general. Several pages later, Mendez tells Brent that in the first year of the bomb his forefather led those who "built a this white, new city out of the blackened bowls of the old". So rather than there being something showing that the original downfall of mankind could have easily taken place in the 25th century, there is a direct reference to it happening in the 20th century and that the futuristic city was built by the mutants in the centuries since.
> Â
> Dehn himself stated that the intention was a nuclear war happening in the 20th century:
>
> >
> > Also, if Zira and Cornelius were relating distorted information about
> > their own history (500 years from the beginning of ape slavery until the
> > uprising), Dehn would have indicated that at some point. It doesn't
> > matter that the audience never witnesses said events. If Dehn had
> > intended the information they conveyed to either be hearsay, incorrect,
> > etc he would have indicated that at some point.
> Â
> Dehn was sloppy. No one is disputing that. He contradicts himself with Cornelius' line that apes had been speaking English for 2,000 years. Maybe he didn't notice the discrepancy himself or thought the audience wouldn't notice it. Either way he really didn't seem very concerned about the timeframe when he wrote the script to Conquest:
>
>
> Â
>
> >
> > Actually, it addresses far more of the inconsistencies than the time loop
> > does.
>
>
> But why do they need to be addressed? There are inconsistencies in life all the time. Yet so many fans of POTA or Star Trek or Star Wars drive themselves crazy over the slightest inconsistency or continuity error. Why not just enjoy the whole for what it is?
> Â
>
> > Dehn implied it in BATTLE, with a lengthy conversation between Virgil,
> > Caesar, and MacDonald while they were in the Forbidden City.
> Â
> No he doesn't. What line of dialogue implies that? Their conversation only talks about changing the future. And why imply it? Why not have Virgil just tell Caesar that his parents had already changed history. If that were an element of the story that would have been a perfect time to establish it for the audience. But instead they edited out all the inconsistencies when replaying C&Z's testimony. So what is really implied is the time loop.
>
> > Dr. Milo: "And earth will be destroyed just as we saw it."
> > He'd actually have no way of knowing that.
> Â
> But Milo is not a real person, he's a fictional character. The lines he speaks are those of the screenwriter who is trying to communicate an element of the story to the audience.
> Â
> > Zira: "We came from YOUR FUTURE."
> > Technically, she's correct. This neither proves nor disproves anything.
> Â
> It reinforces Milo's line above for the audience. Which reinforces the Dehn's time loop.
>
> > The Lawgiver: "Then God in his wrath sent the world a savior miraculously
> > born of two Apes who had descended on Earth from Earth's OWN FUTURE."
> > Same as above. Caesar was born to Zira, who had come from Earth's future.
> Â
> Which again reinforces the time loop for the audience.
>
> > Caesar: "I went looking for my past, but I found OUR FUTURE".
> > Semantical interpretation of his comment. Could also easily be
> > interpreted as "our future" referring to the collective society of apes
> > and humans and how they needed to live together in peace.
> Â
> Not a semantical interpretation at all. But directly accepting the line for what it is.
>
> > Production decision- see above. In fact, that particular scene was
> > cobbled together in the editing room using footage from the bleeding
> > Lawgiver scene. I wrote a length post once describing the same landmarks
> > horses being near certain rocks, etc) appearing in different shots. I
> > don't believe the scene appears in any version of the screenplay.
> > Let's not forget that budgetary constraints changed a lot of what was
> > originally written. I'd point out the interview with Wiliam Creber in
> > BEHIND where he explains how they took the photographs of NYC landmarks
> > to be used in BENEATH (he said something about figuring out angles that
> > worked for what they wanted to show). The script was constantly being
> > changed, so it went from a nondescript, futuristic looking underground
> > city to the ruins of NYC. Also, why would major landmarks like the New
> > York Public Library, Radio City, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Grand Central
> > Terminal etc not exist in the 25th century?
> Â
> Sure it was a production decision to go with something more affordable but as the script itself shows (as shown above) the nuclear war was in the 20th century, not the 25th.
> Â
>
> > Taylor even calls the Alpha-Omega bomb a souvenir from the 20th century.
> > So? What does that have to do with anything? It means that it existed
> > when he left Earth.
> Â
> It is a reinforcement for the audience that the nuclear war happened in the 20th century.
>
> > In Escape Cornelius tells the commission that Apes had been speaking
> > English for 2,000 years. All of which points to a downfall of man and
> > rise of apes in the 20th century, not the 25th, which is totally
> > consistent with the events later seen in Conquest and Battle.
> > The one place where Dehn contradicted himself in his own story, because
> > this conflicts with Zira's statements that would place the downfall in
> > the 25th century. Why is it that Zira had to be wrong?
>
>
> Because it is inconsistent with everything that had been established before in the two previous films and in that film as well. If you took out the timeframe references it wouldn't change the plot of the film one bit so it is rather flimsy evidence to base a whole theory on.
> Â
> > Second, the audience never witnesses the events C&Z relate. Nor have the
> > characters of C&Z witnessed those events. So those events can't be taken
> > at rock hard accurate. It is hearsay at best. A more likely an
> > explanation for the inconsistencies is that historical events that C&Z
> > read about were distorted over the centuries, either intentionally or
> > accidentally.
> > Addressed above.
> Â
> But it is hearsay which is a common device used by writers. Kill a character off screen and you can always bring them back because the audience didn't see it happen. The most famous example of this is Obi-Wan telling Luke that Vader killed his father. The audience never sees that happen so Lucas was later free to change is and instead make Vader Luke's father.
>
> > There are those who will say that Caesar's actions in Battle created an
> > alternate timeline, and a more hopeful future, which I don't dispute. But
> > if an alternate timeline was created is was in Battle and not before.
> > We actually don't know what happens after BATTLE (yet, anyway), but
> > there's enough evidence to support the theory that the alternate timeline
> > started in ESCAPE and evolved from there.
>
>
> I haven't heard any evidence other than the same old `centuries of ape slavery' argument that can be explained many different ways.
> Â
>

Burton doesn't have to whore himself out for anything. Good or bad, he's one of the top directors. He did POTA because he genuinely wanted to do it. He admits he got in over his head. Fox is as much to blame, if not more, than he is.
Nor did he have to stay in Fox's good graces. His main studio was Warner Bros. He's only directed for Fox twice.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2011 8:50 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA2001 did what Thor did in today's ticket dollars ($446m)






As I've posted here before, Frank Darabont turned the film down
because the script was so awful. He offered to provide Fox with a
list of changes that would make it better, but Fox wasn't interested
in making it better. They just wanted the movie released by the
release date they'd chosen and fixing the script would have caused
them to miss that date. (All this per an email conversation I had
with Frank a few years ago.)

After several other directors turned it down because of the bad
script, Burton said yes (possibly just to stay in Fox's good graces?).

Hunter




Burton whored himself out to Fox for POTA2001. That's just a simple fact, but it was all good for him. He got a fat paycheck and a wife!

We on the other hand, got you-know-what UP THE ASS BIG TIME!!!!

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Led by Rupert Wyatt's stylish direction, some impressive special effects, and a mesmerizing performance by Andy Serkis, Rise of the Planet of the Apes breathes unlikely new life into a long-running franchise.
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http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/rise_of_the_planet_of_the_apes/



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> Fox is as much to blame, if not more, than he is.

Which is basically what I said.... Fox was determined that the movie
was going to be made by someone....

Hunter

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

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> Haven't had the chance to read it yet! But am looking forward to it!!
> Tim

Nor have I, but that's due to it being in the post as I type.


Graham

FREEDOM!!!John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
> Newcastle is in that limbo area of Britain--not quite Scottish but very different to your average Englishman.Known as Geordies, Newcasatle people worship a pantheon known collectively as 'Newcastle United FC' and ceremonially suck on sausage rolls and drink Newcie Brown on Saturday nights.They are a strange, uncivilised tribe,maintained by the London government as a buffer against the marauding Scots.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
> As you can tell by my name, Rory Monteith, I'm of Scottish descent. I'm with Sean Connery in being for Scottish independence from you bloody British!
>

I believe Fox will announce the DVD release for "Rise of the POTA" in the next week or so. Why? Because "Capt. America" came out two weeks before "Rise" and they've just announced the DVD for Oct. 25th. And Fox just announced "Water for Elephants" for Nov. 1st. So if "Rise" is going to come out on my birthday Nov. 8th then it's a given it will be announced next. What do you mean this isn't about me?

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Even with all thats going on in my life I got to laugh at this diatribe. Im Greek, Jewish, Italian and Scottish, ughhhh....John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> FREEDOM!!!John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Newcastle is in that limbo area of Britain--not quite Scottish but very different to your average Englishman.Known as Geordies, Newcasatle people worship a pantheon known collectively as 'Newcastle United FC' and ceremonially suck on sausage rolls and drink Newcie Brown on Saturday nights.They are a strange, uncivilised tribe,maintained by the London government as a buffer against the marauding Scots.John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > As you can tell by my name, Rory Monteith, I'm of Scottish descent. I'm with Sean Connery in being for Scottish independence from you bloody British!
> >
>

RonHatter: "You've got alot of great points and I appreciate your dead on and constructive criticism. The lighting is a work in progress. As far as the importance of showing Taylor and the ship, and the Timeline, I revisit certain moments, the Destruction of Earth is the most important one, so I obviously have to create virtual sets for these things(using my limited tools and skills). The Ship itself goes through a metamorphosis so to speak, so there are different versions of it, this is the cleaner and fresher one."

I'm still not convinced that that reproducing those moments is necessary. After all, I'm already getting the uneasy feeling you're trying to tell an infinite-loop story.


RonHatter: "But within the context of this movie, things are seen from a different perspective so to speak, I'm not sure that is the right word to use, but it's the only one that I can think of. I guess it could be said that the person viewing the movie is meant to be an
observer with a God-Like gift of infinite regression."

I'm not sure I'd be too receptive to a revamped version of the original "Planet of the Apes" told in a fashion that's apparently meant to be a blend of the story-telling devices used in "Memento" and "Pulp Fiction."


RonHatter: "This is also a story that is born out of the overall Mythology of the original films, but I'm not going to connect every dot, there are a lot of glitches in continuity between each movie, and a lot of people try to come up with multiple ways of explaining that stuff, but I would be killing myself trying to figure out how to make sense of all that, and that's not what the story is about."

Then I'm not convinced that you're actually trying to tell the story of a new timeline. Instead, it sounds like yours is the story of an alternate timeline which somehow devolves back into mirroring the original one.


RonHatter: "For example, when the future as depicted in the first 2 movies is shown, I'm not going to give myself yet another migraine over whether or not I should use 3978 or 3955, Instead I'm just going to refer to it as the 40th Century. In addition, the Timeline is not as different as one is expecting, but that dosen't mean that there is no hope for the future."

Well, "not so different" doesn't sound all that exciting. It just sounds like something of a tweaked retread of the original story.

Again, as I'd prior noted, the dead lake in which Taylor's ship originally landed in the original timeline might never have come into being in the alternate timeline if something or someone had centuries earlier altered the terrain, namely by reclaimingly and nurturing it back to productivity.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
> >
> > RonHatter: "A closer look at the ship interior, with differen't lighting.
> >
> > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship-1.jpg
> >
> > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship2.jpg
> >
> > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship3.jpg
> >
> > The dimmer, more atmospheric lighting you used in most of those photographs made the craft seem more three-dimensional and more realistic. You also need to consider shadow-wrapping sectors of the front part of the craft interior as well. And remember that it wouldn't be unusual for there to be subdued lighting at this time since Taylor would likely have already shut down all non-essential systems and lighting to conserve energy before going into suspended animation himself.
> >
> >
> > RonHatter: "The lighting is not very good for Taylor though."
> >
> > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/ts8.jpg
> >
> > Then you should experiment with having the glow of the ship-control lights to illuminate and highlight Taylor's facial features. That would also make it more atmospheric, too.
> >
> > I am wondering why you're going to the trouble of covering all that already-covered territory with Taylor all over again. Is it really necessary?
> >
> >
> > RonHatter: "... and a look at the Exterior."
> >
> > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship4.jpg
> >
> > Since Taylor and his comrades were still in suspended animation when the ship went through the Hasslein Curve, in my opinion, we don't need all the visuals of what was going on on the exterior of the ship.
> >
> > On the other hand, what if that dead lake in the Forbidden Zone of the original Planet of the Apes no longer existed in this apparently new timeline? Even though his ship originally wasn't supposed to have gone into splashdown mode, wouldn't Taylor's ship have had route itself to another local, area or regional body of water in which to splashdown in this new timeline?
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A: Betelgeuse is the wrong type of star to produce a gamma ray burst.

 

&

 

B: We would see it if it had.

 

Cosmic rays travel at the speed of light.  If it had gone supernova it would be bright.

It may have happened already.  But being 520 light years away, we wouldn't know

it for 520 years, but if it went you'd know.  It would be full moon bright, or brighter.

so for a month or more, it'll be like an Alaskan summer depending on the season.

So if it had died 500 years ago, we'd still have to wait 20 years to see it.

 

 

In a message dated 8/31/2011 10:36:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, aquaboi@... writes:

gamma ray burst they say might have been that super nova from beetlejuice

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What irks me is they had it in Development Hell

for a decade, went through 3 different scripts,

and as many directors, rewrote the last one,

and that was the best they could come up

with?  That's what happens when you

drag your feet then rush. Mediocrity!

 

 

In a message dated 8/31/2011 2:22:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

> Fox is as much to blame, if not more, than he is.

Which is basically what I said.... Fox was determined that the movie
was going to be made by someone....

Hunter

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"Well?  What be that crime?"

 

"Being Scottish & Jewish. Perhaps the best value in the graveyard this morning."

 

~~~~The Young Ones~~~~~

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/31/2011 8:08:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

Even with all thats going on in my life I got to laugh at this diatribe. Im Greek, Jewish, Italian and Scottish, ughhhh....John M.

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POTA:
Honorious: "Tell us, why are all apes created equal?"
Colonel George Taylor: "Some apes, it seems, are more equal than others."

Anyhow, I have searched tonight for Thoreau's quote (presumably in Walden), only to see a bizillion references to George Orwell's Animal Farm in Google. It would seem that my friend John W. back during the college years might have been a little too eager to find Thoreau in POTA. :-)

____

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
> Is it fair to say that some scripts are more equal than others? :-)
>
> I loved finding out while in college that Taylor was paraphrasing Henry David Thoreau with that simian inquisition observation of his...
>
>
>
>
>
> What was that? The "some apes are more equal than others" line? I thought that was from Orwell.
>

Actually, I'm bloody Irish, luxuriating in having already thrown off the yoke of imperial oppression, and taking nothing from those datardly English but their language, legal system, telly, cuisine, fashions,sports.In exchange, the Engilsh can have U2.PLEASE!!!!! jOHN, sCROLLS.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
> Newcastle is in that limbo area of Britain--not quite Scottish but very different to your average Englishman.Known as Geordies, Newcasatle people worship a pantheon known collectively as 'Newcastle United FC' and ceremonially suck on sausage rolls and drink Newcie Brown on Saturday nights.They are a strange, uncivilised tribe,maintained by the London government as a buffer against the marauding Scots.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
> As you can tell by my name, Rory Monteith, I'm of Scottish descent. I'm with Sean Connery in being for Scottish independence from you bloody British!
>

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Its making plenty of money in this bad economy and Apes remember were never a full blown phenemeneom like other franchises I wont mention. Its done beyond expectations and is on it way to make at least what Burtons apes made. Burtons apes made that money because the economy was much better and it was the first apes fim in almost 30 years and the anticipation was great. Burton fans , dont forget were a major force of the income also regardless of what the film was.
By the way James Im having alittle trouble with the order of the posts and its alittle mixed up at times. A 2008 post will appear after a recent post and the topic or next markers are not always in the same place on the board. Sorry for complaining, John M.

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Very funny, Ha Ha...I like that. I never realized I am endowed with the most frugal peoples on this planet ...Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
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>
> "Well? What be that crime?"
>
> "Being Scottish & Jewish. Perhaps the best value in the graveyard this
> morning."
>
> ~~~~The Young Ones~~~~~
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/31/2011 8:08:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> johnmermigas@... writes:
>
> Even with all thats going on in my life I got to laugh at this diatribe.
> Im Greek, Jewish, Italian and Scottish, ughhhh....John M.
>

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I tried hitting the message help and others and fixed it, I hope. Sorry to bother but after that fiasco Im very touchy and ofcourse with all the other things going on in my life I tend to overeact. Thanks and sorry, John M.

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well an infinite-loop is not how it is going to end, but it is one of the many possibilities shown.


I'm not exactly revamping anything, Ironically I haven't seen Memento or Pulp Fiction, so I don't know whether I can argue that or not.

I see there is a lot of presumption, which is fine, somewhat warranted.



I must ask, why is the Dead Lake such an issue? who ever said that it was being shown in another timeline?


I suppose I could be much lazier and just use footage from all the movies, and expect it to mix with animation

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> RonHatter: "You've got alot of great points and I appreciate your dead on and constructive criticism. The lighting is a work in progress. As far as the importance of showing Taylor and the ship, and the Timeline, I revisit certain moments, the Destruction of Earth is the most important one, so I obviously have to create virtual sets for these things(using my limited tools and skills). The Ship itself goes through a metamorphosis so to speak, so there are different versions of it, this is the cleaner and fresher one."
>
> I'm still not convinced that that reproducing those moments is necessary. After all, I'm already getting the uneasy feeling you're trying to tell an infinite-loop story.
>
>
> RonHatter: "But within the context of this movie, things are seen from a different perspective so to speak, I'm not sure that is the right word to use, but it's the only one that I can think of. I guess it could be said that the person viewing the movie is meant to be an
> observer with a God-Like gift of infinite regression."
>
> I'm not sure I'd be too receptive to a revamped version of the original "Planet of the Apes" told in a fashion that's apparently meant to be a blend of the story-telling devices used in "Memento" and "Pulp Fiction."
>
>
> RonHatter: "This is also a story that is born out of the overall Mythology of the original films, but I'm not going to connect every dot, there are a lot of glitches in continuity between each movie, and a lot of people try to come up with multiple ways of explaining that stuff, but I would be killing myself trying to figure out how to make sense of all that, and that's not what the story is about."
>
> Then I'm not convinced that you're actually trying to tell the story of a new timeline. Instead, it sounds like yours is the story of an alternate timeline which somehow devolves back into mirroring the original one.
>
>
> RonHatter: "For example, when the future as depicted in the first 2 movies is shown, I'm not going to give myself yet another migraine over whether or not I should use 3978 or 3955, Instead I'm just going to refer to it as the 40th Century. In addition, the Timeline is not as different as one is expecting, but that dosen't mean that there is no hope for the future."
>
> Well, "not so different" doesn't sound all that exciting. It just sounds like something of a tweaked retread of the original story.
>
> Again, as I'd prior noted, the dead lake in which Taylor's ship originally landed in the original timeline might never have come into being in the alternate timeline if something or someone had centuries earlier altered the terrain, namely by reclaimingly and nurturing it back to productivity.
>
>
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@> wrote:
> > >
> > > RonHatter: "A closer look at the ship interior, with differen't lighting.
> > >
> > > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship-1.jpg
> > >
> > > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship2.jpg
> > >
> > > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship3.jpg
> > >
> > > The dimmer, more atmospheric lighting you used in most of those photographs made the craft seem more three-dimensional and more realistic. You also need to consider shadow-wrapping sectors of the front part of the craft interior as well. And remember that it wouldn't be unusual for there to be subdued lighting at this time since Taylor would likely have already shut down all non-essential systems and lighting to conserve energy before going into suspended animation himself.
> > >
> > >
> > > RonHatter: "The lighting is not very good for Taylor though."
> > >
> > > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/ts8.jpg
> > >
> > > Then you should experiment with having the glow of the ship-control lights to illuminate and highlight Taylor's facial features. That would also make it more atmospheric, too.
> > >
> > > I am wondering why you're going to the trouble of covering all that already-covered territory with Taylor all over again. Is it really necessary?
> > >
> > >
> > > RonHatter: "... and a look at the Exterior."
> > >
> > > > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship4.jpg
> > >
> > > Since Taylor and his comrades were still in suspended animation when the ship went through the Hasslein Curve, in my opinion, we don't need all the visuals of what was going on on the exterior of the ship.
> > >
> > > On the other hand, what if that dead lake in the Forbidden Zone of the original Planet of the Apes no longer existed in this apparently new timeline? Even though his ship originally wasn't supposed to have gone into splashdown mode, wouldn't Taylor's ship have had route itself to another local, area or regional body of water in which to splashdown in this new timeline?
> > >
> >
>

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I can't remember if it's the Flood episode or not, but it is raining.

It might be the episode called Boring.

 

 

In a message dated 9/1/2011 2:55:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

Very funny, Ha Ha...I like that.

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What would you consider it then? Starting with the second sequel, it
spawned successful yearly sequels followed by an attempt at a TV series... Seems
pretty close to a phenomenon to me...




In a message dated 9/1/2011 2:54:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:

> Apes remember were never a full blown phenemeneom like other franchises
> I wont mention.

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Any indication as to when DEATH will be out?

Mel

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
>
>
> Eek! Rush by my publisher to get the book in stores in time for Rise. I will make sure that if there are subsequent printings, that info is there - everything that FOX required is there. Also, I will make sure that stuff is in the sequel book, DEATH of the PLANET OF THE APES. I have nothing but praise for the source material - and the people responsible for it.
>
> -Drew
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey guys-
> > would love to hear some feedback on Conspiracy, maybe start a discussion group. Thoughts?
> > -Drew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looks like right now we're absorbed in RISE's grosses. Poor "Conspiracy" is on the back burner. I've started it, but I'm having a hard time making time for it.
> >
> > I will tell you something that bugs me about "Conspiracy, just as it bugs me about RISE, and that is that no where is Pierre Boulle credited, and "Conspiracy" even quotes dialogue from PLANET, but Michael Wilson and Rod Serling aren't credited.
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
>

Apes is an ENDURING phenomenon.For all the Star Trek mania over the new re-imagining, it still didn't out perform Burton's Apes and RISE will beat it.Star Wars is a maggot feeding off itself nowadays, totally besmirched by risible sequels and the quest for the dollar.Things like Doctor Who play to less than a million viewers in the US and will never be truly big.Battlestar Galactica and the like will have mini revivals but were actually never all that popular to start with.X-Files, Buffy,Vampires Crap et al will all have their day and disappear.But Apes endures through it all.The first and best mega franchise.And there's plenty more to come.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> What would you consider it then? Starting with the second sequel, it
> spawned successful yearly sequels followed by an attempt at a TV series... Seems
> pretty close to a phenomenon to me...
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2011 2:54:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
> johnmermigas@... writes:
>
>
> > Apes remember were never a full blown phenemeneom like other franchises
> > I wont mention.
>
> </HTML>
>

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Great tie in to that new show Dark Matters,

about that scientist that Stalin wanted to

make a real gorilla army for him.

 

 

In a message dated 9/1/2011 9:01:16 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

but I wouldn't want to be an ape if it meant I had to live under a Stalinist type of society.  I don't get the impression that the society is quite that in PLANET, maybe in BENEATH

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It's been a great summer for POTA fans with a new movie, new comic and new novel but before heading out to enjoy the holiday weekend check out this week's new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY.

To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also, the penultimate chapter of Marvel's adaptation of "Escape from the Planet of the Apes" has been added to the MARVEL ARCHIVE.

To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm.

Have a great Labor Day weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

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RonHatter: "... and a look at the Exterior."

> http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship4.jpg

James King: "Since Taylor and his comrades were still in suspended animation when the ship went through the Hasslein Curve, in my opinion, we don't need all the visuals of what was going on on the exterior of the ship. On the other hand, what if that dead lake in the Forbidden Zone of the original Planet of the Apes no longer existed in this apparently new timeline? Even though his ship originally wasn't supposed to have gone into splashdown mode, wouldn't Taylor's ship have had route itself to another local, area or regional body of water in which to splashdown in this new timeline?"

RonHatter: "Well an infinite-loop is not how it is going to end, but it is one of the many possibilities shown."

"Shown"? I don't recall any depiction of the realization of an infinite-loop storyline in the original POTA film series.

The only movie I've seen that realized a genuine infinite-loop storyline in earnest is in the 1980 movie "Somewhere In Time".


RonHatter: "I'm not exactly revamping anything, Ironically I haven't seen 'Memento' or 'Pulp Fiction', so I don't know whether I can argue that or not."

They are worth checking out to see how those directors successfully told their stories in a very compelling non-linear fashion.


RonHatter: "I see there is a lot of presumption, which is fine, somewhat warranted."

Especially when you drop hints that sometimes seem as heavy as anvils.


RonHatter: "I must ask, why is the Dead Lake such an issue? Who ever said that it was being shown in another timeline?"

Well, if you weren't depicting it in a different timeline in the computer graphic above, then aren't you indirectly admitting you're just rehashing bits of the original storyline with flashback or flashforward visuals?


RonHatter: "I suppose I could be much lazier and just use footage from all the movies, and expect it to mix with animation."

I recommend you consider pondering and possibly rethinking the storyline and indeed flesh it out -- storyboarding it even to some degree -- before you venture forth in earnest. After all, the visuals are not really the most important issue. The most compellilng issue is: In terms of story, why are we at the site of the original timeline of the first POTA in the first place? Why does it need to be rehashed or revisited if nothing's going to change in it?

"Lazily-rendered visuals"? No, but without some credible and logical contextual reasons to justify it, rehashing the original POTA timeline without any changes sounds more like lazy storytelling to me. Indeed, if the final result were deemed to be less than satisfactory, then it might also be interpretted by some as a cynical attempt to ride the original POTA's coattails.

This wonderful episode reminds me of the Monk who went down into the monastery's cellar to dig out the Order's ancient Rule Book.A couple of minutes the other Monks hear a heart-wrending cry and they rush down to help.They find the Monk,crying, pounding a table with the Rule Book open and groaning 'The word wasn't celibate, it was bloddy CELEBRATE!!!'.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> It's been a great summer for POTA fans with a new movie, new comic and
> new novel but before heading out to enjoy the holiday weekend check out
> this week's new installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY.
>
> To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home
> page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> .
>
> Also, the penultimate chapter of Marvel's adaptation of "Escape from the
> Planet of the Apes" has been added to the MARVEL ARCHIVE.
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great Labor Day weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more. * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The Illustrated
> Monkey Planet <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm>
> - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. *
> POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members. * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
>

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Nobody and I mean nobody is a more involved pationate fan than I am concerning apes. But the truth is its a limited pheneomenon and it is simply because of Fox politics and the naivete of being the first sci-fi franchise. I was their ad mauseum from 68 and it appealed to a more political audience and by the mid 70s people were so sick of washington, vietnam and such that political allegory was losing touch and the feel good 70s with lame Star wars and the rest went ballistic.
The Apes are what they are my favorite films and that says alot considering the socalled high class films I do love. The Apes audience is the smallest of the big franchises and so what!. It doesnt appeal to everyone so to me its much better than the lame happy Bs hollywood spews out. The aurgument about a 13-14 episode TV series is a bad one , dont use it my friend and it was a childish show even when I was 14-15 and ruined to me whatever sophistication the apes films minus Battle had aquired.
Being truthfull should not be attacked but encouraged, no films are perfect and the apes have their share as has been written about here recently. If you truly love something you have to be truthfull about it and criticale when needed. With all its faults nothing outside my family gives me more joy and fonder memories. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> What would you consider it then? Starting with the second sequel, it
> spawned successful yearly sequels followed by an attempt at a TV series... Seems
> pretty close to a phenomenon to me...
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/1/2011 2:54:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
> johnmermigas@... writes:
>
>
> > Apes remember were never a full blown phenemeneom like other franchises
> > I wont mention.
>
> </HTML>
>

At face value you are right my friend. Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars, the big super heroe franchises like Batman, Spiderman, have a broader audience. Its just a fact. Why is it Ape hating to be truthfull. As I said I was their when it was big in the 1968-1974 years but when Jaws hit and the Spielberg fell good crap hit the movie screens Apes never really fully recovered until a month ago with a spurt in 2001. Its ingrained in our culture but the average Joe does not put them high on their film lists , we do though. I dont have to go through my credentials and all the humiliation with Fox execs, and my collection of film(Ape) memorabilia(not many toys though, never cared for them) I just have an opinion and I feel its thruthfull and the money numbers show it. The Apes are very popular but are not world beaters and just like you know and understand your children and know their follys and great points, they are what they are. One child is easier to raise than another but you love them no less. When an ape film makes a billion dollars worldwide then these aurguments will be moot and ill be wrong. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Apes is an ENDURING phenomenon.For all the Star Trek mania over the new re-imagining, it still didn't out perform Burton's Apes and RISE will beat it.Star Wars is a maggot feeding off itself nowadays, totally besmirched by risible sequels and the quest for the dollar.Things like Doctor Who play to less than a million viewers in the US and will never be truly big.Battlestar Galactica and the like will have mini revivals but were actually never all that popular to start with.X-Files, Buffy,Vampires Crap et al will all have their day and disappear.But Apes endures through it all.The first and best mega franchise.And there's plenty more to come.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > What would you consider it then? Starting with the second sequel, it
> > spawned successful yearly sequels followed by an attempt at a TV series... Seems
> > pretty close to a phenomenon to me...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/1/2011 2:54:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > johnmermigas@ writes:
> >
> >
> > > Apes remember were never a full blown phenemeneom like other franchises
> > > I wont mention.
> >
> > </HTML>
> >
>

I would really like to drop this dead lake issue, because it's not an issue, I don't know for a fact that shot will be in the movie, but if it is then certainly won't be for long.
I suppose a flashback of the future, but a rehash of the story? your really reading a lot into that one image, You assume you know how it's being used, but I don't know why you do that, it's one thing to question it, but your starting to beat it like a dead horse.

This is a story I've been thinking of for 17 years, I didn't simply pluck it out of my behind, I don't have the precision that is required to draw like I used to, so there are not storyboards, not in the hand drawn sense.

Again, You say I'm rehashing, and you say it as if that's all I'm doing, but you don't know what the story is
It sounds like lazy story telling to you, yet you don't know what the story is, you keep implying to an almost fanatical point that this is a rehash, why do you keep doing this?

You say I'm rehashing the original timeline without any changes, where are you getting this from? I show a shot of something, and you seem to think the whole story revolves around that.


Exactly what story is it, that you think I'm telling?


You want to know why your seeing shots of something, but you act like the whole movie is devoted to one shot.

now it's true that most(not all) of the character's are pre-established, but I'm not rehashing the same story..

A majority of the story takes place in the last days of Caesar's Life, another part of the story takes place 600 years later, then it shifts forward to the Era depicted in the first 2 movies, but not necessarily the same version of that era, there are changes, but I certainly won't say what.

And a majority of the so called rehash is at the beginning of the film, the movie opens in front of the "BOMB" and it will end in front of the "BOMB", but not with the same outcome

I'm revisiting certain moments for reasons, but the movie is not devoted to those moments.

Now I know I'm not telling a story that everyone want's to see, but I'm not trying to please everyone, I'm certainly trying to be respectful, but I know I'm not going to be able to please everyone, and it is futile to try.

About the final result being less than satisfactory, well I won't know until it's finished, when you make something, you certainly try to make something that people will like, but you can't expect it to be liked by everyone, and because one individual repeatedly complains about something, that doesn't mean I'm changing what I'm doing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> RonHatter: "... and a look at the Exterior."
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship4.jpg
>
> James King: "Since Taylor and his comrades were still in suspended animation when the ship went through the Hasslein Curve, in my opinion, we don't need all the visuals of what was going on on the exterior of the ship. On the other hand, what if that dead lake in the Forbidden Zone of the original Planet of the Apes no longer existed in this apparently new timeline? Even though his ship originally wasn't supposed to have gone into splashdown mode, wouldn't Taylor's ship have had route itself to another local, area or regional body of water in which to splashdown in this new timeline?"
>
> RonHatter: "Well an infinite-loop is not how it is going to end, but it is one of the many possibilities shown."
>
> "Shown"? I don't recall any depiction of the realization of an infinite-loop storyline in the original POTA film series.
>
> The only movie I've seen that realized a genuine infinite-loop storyline in earnest is in the 1980 movie "Somewhere In Time".
>
>
> RonHatter: "I'm not exactly revamping anything, Ironically I haven't seen 'Memento' or 'Pulp Fiction', so I don't know whether I can argue that or not."
>
> They are worth checking out to see how those directors successfully told their stories in a very compelling non-linear fashion.
>
>
> RonHatter: "I see there is a lot of presumption, which is fine, somewhat warranted."
>
> Especially when you drop hints that sometimes seem as heavy as anvils.
>
>
> RonHatter: "I must ask, why is the Dead Lake such an issue? Who ever said that it was being shown in another timeline?"
>
> Well, if you weren't depicting it in a different timeline in the computer graphic above, then aren't you indirectly admitting you're just rehashing bits of the original storyline with flashback or flashforward visuals?
>
>
> RonHatter: "I suppose I could be much lazier and just use footage from all the movies, and expect it to mix with animation."
>
> I recommend you consider pondering and possibly rethinking the storyline and indeed flesh it out -- storyboarding it even to some degree -- before you venture forth in earnest. After all, the visuals are not really the most important issue. The most compellilng issue is: In terms of story, why are we at the site of the original timeline of the first POTA in the first place? Why does it need to be rehashed or revisited if nothing's going to change in it?
>
> "Lazily-rendered visuals"? No, but without some credible and logical contextual reasons to justify it, rehashing the original POTA timeline without any changes sounds more like lazy storytelling to me. Indeed, if the final result were deemed to be less than satisfactory, then it might also be interpretted by some as a cynical attempt to ride the original POTA's coattails.
>

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Box Office Mojo reports that "Rise of the POTA" was the biggest August release in the U.S., earning $ 151.5 million during the month. Probably this Labor Day weekend will be the Apes' last hurrah before they go to that big blu ray in the sky (on November 8th!).

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3263&p=.htm

I am a big Spider-Man fan and I am aware that there must be Batman fans out there too, somewhere, but the concept of those two being franchises is unusual.They are both comic book characters, but, despite the mega success of their movies, their comic books sales are falling, as are sales across the comic book industry.To put it another way--are there really TWO franchises for these guys--a dwindling comics AND booming movies, with little true cross over between them? With Harry Potter, I'm not sure people will be watching those movies in ten, twenty or thirty years' time---it has the feel of a cinematic Buffy, with an era it owned and then disappeared.Trek is Trek--it has a fanatical but definitely finite following.Some folk will never,ever go to see Trek.I think Apes is the one, true, over-arching franchise that is strong enough to be spoofed without simply being an object of mass derision--it has depth and levels.People may not be fanatical Apesfans, but they are very receptive to Apes in a way that, say, Trek,never can match.People always, always turn out for a new Apes movie.Maybe it's the ape curled up inside of all of us? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> At face value you are right my friend. Harry Potter, Star Trek, Star Wars, the big super heroe franchises like Batman, Spiderman, have a broader audience. Its just a fact. Why is it Ape hating to be truthfull. As I said I was their when it was big in the 1968-1974 years but when Jaws hit and the Spielberg fell good crap hit the movie screens Apes never really fully recovered until a month ago with a spurt in 2001. Its ingrained in our culture but the average Joe does not put them high on their film lists , we do though. I dont have to go through my credentials and all the humiliation with Fox execs, and my collection of film(Ape) memorabilia(not many toys though, never cared for them) I just have an opinion and I feel its thruthfull and the money numbers show it. The Apes are very popular but are not world beaters and just like you know and understand your children and know their follys and great points, they are what they are. One child is easier to raise than another but you love them no less. When an ape film makes a billion dollars worldwide then these aurguments will be moot and ill be wrong. Take care, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Apes is an ENDURING phenomenon.For all the Star Trek mania over the new re-imagining, it still didn't out perform Burton's Apes and RISE will beat it.Star Wars is a maggot feeding off itself nowadays, totally besmirched by risible sequels and the quest for the dollar.Things like Doctor Who play to less than a million viewers in the US and will never be truly big.Battlestar Galactica and the like will have mini revivals but were actually never all that popular to start with.X-Files, Buffy,Vampires Crap et al will all have their day and disappear.But Apes endures through it all.The first and best mega franchise.And there's plenty more to come.John, Scrolls.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> > >
> > > What would you consider it then? Starting with the second sequel, it
> > > spawned successful yearly sequels followed by an attempt at a TV series... Seems
> > > pretty close to a phenomenon to me...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > In a message dated 9/1/2011 2:54:32 PM Central Daylight Time,
> > > johnmermigas@ writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Apes remember were never a full blown phenemeneom like other franchises
> > > > I wont mention.
> > >
> > > </HTML>
> > >
> >
>

I was wondering if anybody has access to the wording of Hollywood contracts and, in particular, the clauses that cover doing positive publicity and backing the movie in glowing terms.Somebody like Jason Momoa must surely have realised what a crock Conan was, but he will have been stuck with smiling and looking delighted in interviews.A comic in the UK, Arthur Smith, who is our version of Rich Hall, was once on a show to plug a play he was in and never mentioned it,until the interviewer, trying to prompt him,asked him where his new play was on because 'we'd all like to see it'.Arthur just said'Oh ,don't bother, it's piss poor'.Wouldn't it be great if, say, Daniel Craig was interviewed outside a cinema on the red carpet and said 'Cowboys, with Aliens, what the hell were we smoking???!!'.I'd love to know exactly what these guys sign up to in advance so that they have to talk up total crap.John, Scrolls.

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 1:47 PM, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote:

I would really like to drop this dead lake issue, because it's not an issue, I don't know for a fact that shot will be in the movie, but if it is then certainly won't be for long.
I suppose a flashback of the future, but a rehash of the story? your really reading a lot into that one image, You assume you know how it's being used, but I don't know why you do that, it's one thing to question it, but your starting to beat it like a dead horse.

This is a story I've been thinking of for 17 years, I didn't simply pluck it out of my behind, I don't have the precision that is required to draw like I used to, so there are not storyboards, not in the hand drawn sense.

Again, You say I'm rehashing, and you say it as if that's all I'm doing, but you don't know what the story is
It sounds like lazy story telling to you, yet you don't know what the story is, you keep implying to an almost fanatical point that this is a rehash, why do you keep doing this?

You say I'm rehashing the original timeline without any changes, where are you getting this from? I show a shot of something, and you seem to think the whole story revolves around that.

Exactly what story is it, that you think I'm telling?

You want to know why your seeing shots of something, but you act like the whole movie is devoted to one shot.

now it's true that most(not all) of the character's are pre-established, but I'm not rehashing the same story..

A majority of the story takes place in the last days of Caesar's Life, another part of the story takes place 600 years later, then it shifts forward to the Era depicted in the first 2 movies, but not necessarily the same version of that era, there are changes, but I certainly won't say what.

And a majority of the so called rehash is at the beginning of the film, the movie opens in front of the "BOMB" and it will end in front of the "BOMB", but not with the same outcome

I'm revisiting certain moments for reasons, but the movie is not devoted to those moments.

Now I know I'm not telling a story that everyone want's to see, but I'm not trying to please everyone, I'm certainly trying to be respectful, but I know I'm not going to be able to please everyone, and it is futile to try.

About the final result being less than satisfactory, well I won't know until it's finished, when you make something, you certainly try to make something that people will like, but you can't expect it to be liked by everyone, and because one individual repeatedly complains about something, that doesn't mean I'm changing what I'm doing.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shrstrategygames" <shrstrategygames@...> wrote:
>
> RonHatter: "... and a look at the Exterior."
>
> > http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n170/hatter76/newship4.jpg
>
> James King: "Since Taylor and his comrades were still in suspended animation when the ship went through the Hasslein Curve, in my opinion, we don't need all the visuals of what was going on on the exterior of the ship. On the other hand, what if that dead lake in the Forbidden Zone of the original Planet of the Apes no longer existed in this apparently new timeline? Even though his ship originally wasn't supposed to have gone into splashdown mode, wouldn't Taylor's ship have had route itself to another local, area or regional body of water in which to splashdown in this new timeline?"
>
> RonHatter: "Well an infinite-loop is not how it is going to end, but it is one of the many possibilities shown."
>
> "Shown"? I don't recall any depiction of the realization of an infinite-loop storyline in the original POTA film series.
>
> The only movie I've seen that realized a genuine infinite-loop storyline in earnest is in the 1980 movie "Somewhere In Time".
>
>
> RonHatter: "I'm not exactly revamping anything, Ironically I haven't seen 'Memento' or 'Pulp Fiction', so I don't know whether I can argue that or not."
>
> They are worth checking out to see how those directors successfully told their stories in a very compelling non-linear fashion.
>
>
> RonHatter: "I see there is a lot of presumption, which is fine, somewhat warranted."
>
> Especially when you drop hints that sometimes seem as heavy as anvils.
>
>
> RonHatter: "I must ask, why is the Dead Lake such an issue? Who ever said that it was being shown in another timeline?"
>
> Well, if you weren't depicting it in a different timeline in the computer graphic above, then aren't you indirectly admitting you're just rehashing bits of the original storyline with flashback or flashforward visuals?
>
>
> RonHatter: "I suppose I could be much lazier and just use footage from all the movies, and expect it to mix with animation."
>
> I recommend you consider pondering and possibly rethinking the storyline and indeed flesh it out -- storyboarding it even to some degree -- before you venture forth in earnest. After all, the visuals are not really the most important issue. The most compellilng issue is: In terms of story, why are we at the site of the original timeline of the first POTA in the first place? Why does it need to be rehashed or revisited if nothing's going to change in it?
>
> "Lazily-rendered visuals"? No, but without some credible and logical contextual reasons to justify it, rehashing the original POTA timeline without any changes sounds more like lazy storytelling to me. Indeed, if the final result were deemed to be less than satisfactory, then it might also be interpretted by some as a cynical attempt to ride the original POTA's coattails.
>

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I hope your observation is correct, nothing would make me happier movie wise. Remember though the Apes were in a Forbidden zone sort of speak from 1976-2001 and again from 2001-2011, thats alot of time, time that was filled with hollywood dreck. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I am a big Spider-Man fan and I am aware that there must be Batman fans out there too, somewhere, but the concept of those two being franchises is unusual.They are both comic book characters, but, despite the mega success of their movies, their comic books sales are falling, as are sales across the comic book industry.To put it another way--are there really TWO franchises for these guys--a dwindling comics AND booming movies, with little true cross over between them? With Harry Potter, I'm not sure people will be watching those movies in ten, twenty or thirty years' time---it has the feel of a cinematic Buffy, with an era it owned and then disappeared.Trek is Trek--it has a fanatical but definitely finite following.Some folk will never,ever go to see Trek.I think Apes is the one, true, over-arching franchise that is strong enough to be spoofed without simply being an object of mass derision--it has depth and levels.People may not be fanatical Apesfans, but they are very receptive to Apes in a way that, say, Trek,never can match.People always, always turn out for a new Apes movie.Maybe it's the ape curled up inside of all of us? John, Scrolls.
>

Great advice Bill!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a thought. Make the movie to please yourself first and to enjoy, and
> then let others watch it.
> If they do not like it they can choose not to watch or to make their own.
> But being as this is a labar of love
> have fun first.
> ;-)
> 
> Bill Hollweg

"Rise of the POTA" is expected to be out of the Top 5 this weekend with an estimated $10 million for the 4 days. It's like watching an old race horse struggling to make it around the track. I can't watch! : (

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/first-box-office-slow-summer-fade/

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"Rise of the POTA" is expected to be out of the Top 5 this weekend with an estimated $10 million for the 4 days. It's like watching an old race horse struggling to make it around the track. I can't watch! : (

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/first-box-office-slow-summer-fade/

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That is an awesome observation. I concur.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:08 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:

I am a big Spider-Man fan and I am aware that there must be Batman fans out there too, somewhere, but the concept of those two being franchises is unusual.They are both comic book characters, but, despite the mega success of their movies, their comic books sales are falling, as are sales across the comic book industry.To put it another way--are there really TWO franchises for these guys--a dwindling comics AND booming movies, with little true cross over between them? With Harry Potter, I'm not sure people will be watching those movies in ten, twenty or thirty years' time---it has the feel of a cinematic Buffy, with an era it owned and then disappeared.Trek is Trek--it has a fanatical but definitely finite following.Some folk will never,ever go to see Trek.I think Apes is the one, true, over-arching franchise that is strong enough to be spoofed without simply being an object of mass derision--it has depth and levels.People may not be fanatical Apesfans, but they are very receptive to Apes in a way that, say, Trek,never can match.People always, always turn out for a new Apes movie.Maybe it's the ape curled up inside of all of us? John, Scrolls.

Jeff, Rise will be at around 163 million after the weekend and by the time it over in North Americva it will make about the same 180 million or more that the burton film made. Thats very good news, inflation or not. The expectations were very low and for what it did(at a much lesser budget and promotion) its phenemenomal. Add in the other markets , I dont have to tell you and it will be very very close to Burtons film or more. In this economy and its August late summer start its great news for an Apes film. My concern , not to start again is the eventual sequel, thats when we will know if its 1970 all over again.
The DVD/BluRay will be a big boost I feel and when its all said and done Rise will be ahead money wise than Burtons film and more importantly its a critical darling and young people love it. Its a wonderfull comeback and we should all be happy and look forward to more Apes in the Future...John M. P.S. Id seen the Help...why? I guess some people wanted something different. I feel Help hurt the movies after Rise not Rise itself, well just alittle maybe....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Rise of the POTA" is expected to be out of the Top 5 this weekend with an estimated $10 million for the 4 days. It's like watching an old race horse struggling to make it around the track. I can't watch! : (
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/first-box-office-slow-summer-fade/
>

Ed Gross is digging into the "POTA Revisited" vault for his Ape Central website. Here's part of an interview with Apjac producer Frank Capra Jr.

http://www.apecentral.net/2011/09/frank-capra-jr-remembering-planet-of-the-apes-producer-arthur-p-jacobs.html"

I'm a Star Trek fan and a Planet of the Apes fanatic :-) So I find it interesting comparing revenues for the different movies from the two franchises:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=star%20trek

&

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=Planet%20of%20the%20Apes


One thing to ascertain, I think, is that the "Next Generation" (Capt. Jean Luc Picard; Data, Troi, etc.) lacked the box office draw that Captain Kirk and Spock, etc. have.

Another MIGHT be that audience interest declines with continuations, as opposed to rebootings.

We shouldn't overlook, though, that the Star Trek franchise has yielded somewhere around 500 different t.v. episodes. Planet of the Apes can't quite say the same. Perhaps the ability to innovate and expand such a concept as apes vs. humans is comparatively very limited. Would we be QUITE as passionate about the POTA franchise if a new movie came out as often as one does for Star Trek?

As a sidenote, I thoroughly enjoyed Cowboys & Aliens this summer. Not so many others did, though:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=cowboysandaliens.htm

I don't quite understand why it didn't make its money back. Here's the website:

http://www.cowboysandaliensmovie.com

Any thoughts, amigos?

Happy Labor Day weekend to you all :-)
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I am a big Spider-Man fan and I am aware that there must be Batman fans out there too, somewhere, but the concept of those two being franchises is unusual.They are both comic book characters, but, despite the mega success of their movies, their comic books sales are falling, as are sales across the comic book industry.To put it another way--are there really TWO franchises for these guys--a dwindling comics AND booming movies, with little true cross over between them? With Harry Potter, I'm not sure people will be watching those movies in ten, twenty or thirty years' time---it has the feel of a cinematic Buffy, with an era it owned and then disappeared.Trek is Trek--it has a fanatical but definitely finite following.Some folk will never,ever go to see Trek.I think Apes is the one, true, over-arching franchise that is strong enough to be spoofed without simply being an object of mass derision--it has depth and levels.People may not be fanatical Apesfans, but they are very receptive to Apes in a way that, say, Trek,never can match.People always, always turn out for a new Apes movie.Maybe it's the ape curled up inside of all of us? John, Scrolls.
>

Yes---to US!.I love apes ad nauseum but im not sure about how history will play out. Lets face it Apes was in the Forbidden zone until a month ago, and when asked, people showed no intrest in another movie. But I put the blame on Burton and the perception that where else can you go. But this rebooting phase in hollywood has breathed new life in terminal franchises and broke all the rules of filmaking. The rules being, you make a film or series of films and you have to live with it. Their are no more rules and that helps Apes immensly. But hurts Hollywood as a whole. Its really all about money now-really!, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:
>
> That is an awesome observation. I concur.
>
> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 2:08 AM, johnroche49 <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > I am a big Spider-Man fan and I am aware that there must be Batman fans out
> > there too, somewhere, but the concept of those two being franchises is
> > unusual.They are both comic book characters, but, despite the mega success
> > of their movies, their comic books sales are falling, as are sales across
> > the comic book industry.To put it another way--are there really TWO
> > franchises for these guys--a dwindling comics AND booming movies, with
> > little true cross over between them? With Harry Potter, I'm not sure people
> > will be watching those movies in ten, twenty or thirty years' time---it has
> > the feel of a cinematic Buffy, with an era it owned and then
> > disappeared.Trek is Trek--it has a fanatical but definitely finite
> > following.Some folk will never,ever go to see Trek.I think Apes is the one,
> > true, over-arching franchise that is strong enough to be spoofed without
> > simply being an object of mass derision--it has depth and levels.People may
> > not be fanatical Apesfans, but they are very receptive to Apes in a way
> > that, say, Trek,never can match.People always, always turn out for a new
> > Apes movie.Maybe it's the ape curled up inside of all of us? John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
>

Thank You, that is primarily what I'm doing, I'm a pretty tough person to please, so I can't just be a hack and slap something together, I'm approaching it as I would my own original work, but obviously I did not create POTA, so I can't take the credit, but as far as bringing a story to life, I'm approaching that from my own perspective, and My own personal Vision, Which is something every Fan has, whether they admit it or not.

I'm not doing anything overly cerebral, because I'm also doing this for my 9 year old niece, who became an Apes fan this past year, so I have to do something she can watch, but I'm not doing this as a kid friendly Movie either, certainly not to the extent that BATTLE was, but My niece surprised me by coming up with her own ideas of what happens after Battle, and although I'm not using them, I was impressed that she was grasping certain concepts at her age.

I'm also approaching this in the sense that it is and individual film in the sense that each of the 5 original films were for the most part self contained films, yet functioned as part of a greater whole, so I'm not trying to copy any particular style, this needs to have it's own style, yet function as part of a greater whole, and this is certainly a sequel storywise, but I've taken a few liberties with some things, like updating the interior of the ship, changing the ape outfits in Caesar's Era, BATTLE had to use the same old costumes for budget reasons, So they are a bit different in this, but still recognizable as Ape Clothing, it's not a catastrophic difference, I added a little more surface detail to The BOMB, but it still is instantly recognizable as the BOMB, There are a lot of subtle things, the Apes in Caesar's Era have slightly longer Arms and shorter legs, but I'm not restricted to the proportions of a Human Actor so I can do that.

I started seriously trying to Make this Movie about 5 or 6 years ago, I'm an amateur Make 'up Artist, I had done some Makeup tests, I had done some concept Art(back when I could still Draw) but the things I wanted to do were just to Ambitious for a No-Budget Fan Film, and I really could not find enough people, I also had trouble creating an actual script, because since I was a child I've had trouble getting my ideas on paper in the form of words, Then I read the Comic series "REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES" which I thought was fantastic, but I was kind of devastated to see so many of my ideas in that comic, so I abandoned this project for quite a while, but over time I realized that the aspects I had issues with, were nothing to really worry about, because a lot of it was because other people had come to some of the same conclusions I did with certain things, so I started trying again, but then I realized as a Live action Fan Film, I would not be Able to do it Justice, it would turn into a Parody, then I decided to do a Crossover Fan film of POTA, Star Trek, and Star Wars, while I was doing some Makeup for that, My health started to become a Major issue, I had pain for years, but not so severe, I eventually found out I had a giant Kidney stone that had been growing for at least 5 years, I was to the point that I could barely walk, sometimes not at all, Finally I had 2 surgeries to get the Stone removed, then 2 additional procedures to try and repair some of the damage that had been done, it was during this time that I was looking into trying to create some sort of digital stunt double because I was in such bad shape physically, I decided to try a demo version of some animation software that I had herd about but was never really impressed by, but I played around with it myself, and tried making some Apes, added some Roddy Mcdowall Audio, and I was not overly impressed, but I was intrigued, and I realized there was potential to do something more elaborate If it was approached in a serious manner, So I started doing a lot of tests, then cut them together into a Mock Teaser Trailer, And I was impressed that it played as good as it did even with the Animation being so primitive, I decided this was a way I could do My Apes Movie, and not have to compromise based on the fact that I didn't have sets or enough people, So I was eager to get to work on it, then I had To get my Gut cut open so that the doctors could properly fix some things, and they found yet another Kidney stone while doing that, so that was all a nightmare.

I was blessed with finding a fellow POTA Fan who was very enthusiastic and sharing a lot of ideas, I didn't agree with all of them, but I was impressed by his Enthusiasm and Love for Planet of the Apes, he had hinted that he would like to do some script work, and because it takes me forever, I offered it to him, He lit up with excitement, so I wrote a 4 or 5 page summary, outlining the story I wanted to tell, along with Characters, and several specific events that needed to take place, in less than 2 weeks he provided a Script that Impressed me in the sense that he found a decent way to tie all my ideas together, and turn certain outlined events in to actual scenes, the script still needed a lot of refinement in places, But his First draft gave me enough confidence to fully start this project, he also generously paid for some additional software for doing the clothing which still isn't the greatest, but far better than what I thought I would have to settle for.

But since he is very busy these days, I'm doing script refinement, not really drastically changing things, mostly rewriting lines of dialogue to sound a little more natural and not so formal, depending of course on what character it is, And as far as the audio performances that have been done so far, I did a lot of last minute rewriting before recording, and then I did a lot of ad libbing and improve, so far I've done voice Work for MENDEZ I, VIRGIL, and CAESAR, a friend of mine who I had promised a role to years ago, voiced Paul Mendez(MENDEZ II) I've done some tests for Taylor and Zaius, but I won't actually worry about them until I get to that section of the story, right now I'm focusing on the core story, which to me is the most important part, the rest of the stuff is secondary until I get the major scenes done.

but I must admit there are times when I wish I was doing this live action, there are pros and cons to either direction I go in, but CG Animation turned out being the most feasible for me, and it's Ironic because I have always been very vocal about not turning to CG, yet I find myself using it now, but I still envision the scenes as live action, and when editing, I do it the same as I would something that were live Action, so with exception of the fact that I'm having to animate it, I'm still approaching it with the intent and style that I would a major live action film, hopefully that will make the crappy animation more watchable than it has a rite to be.

I love hearing other peoples opinions and getting their take on things, Premature judgement is another story, presumption and implication that I'm doing something that I said I wasn't, and continuing to imply these things after I've stated I'm not, that gets a bit annoying an unnecessary, Speculation is fine, it amuses me, but insistence that something is a certain way when it's not, that's disrespectful and in bad taste, I'm not rehashing the storylines of any of the original movies, this has it's own story, but it is certainly connecting to those films, and I'm revisiting the Future from the first 2 films, but that's mostly prologue and opening credit's, a couple scenes are recreations, not for the sake of rehashing, but because those few scenes are important in the overall mythology, and extremely important in this film, especially the Mutant Church and The Bomb, the events that took place there at the end of the second film had a very obvious impact on the rest of the films and the direction they went in, and this film opens there, a recap in one sense, but a lot of what I'm showing was not shown at all, but these scenes are on the secondary list, they are pivotal, but they are not the core, characters,their intentions, their hopes and their fears, that's the core.

The most I could ask for is that when the movie is finished, that whatever Fans are interested, will take a look at it, obviously not as an official film, but as what I certainly feel is a Labor of Love.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a thought. Make the movie to please yourself first and to enjoy, and
> then let others watch it.
> If they do not like it they can choose not to watch or to make their own.
> But being as this is a labar of love
> have fun first.
> ;-)
>

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RISE is still playing at the small town multiplex (7 screens) nearest me, and I'm surprised.  COWBOYS & ALIENS gone.  FRIGHT NIGHT gone.  So, RISE has stayed in theatres a month.  These days, that's not too shabby.

 

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Sep 3, 2011 2:55 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] "Rise" labors this weekend

 

Caesar "NOOOOO!!!!!" lol

Al

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On Sep 3, 2011, at 10:19 AM, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

 

"Rise of the POTA" is expected to be out of the Top 5 this weekend with an estimated $10 million for the 4 days. It's like watching an old race horse struggling to make it around the track. I can't watch! : (

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/first-box-office-slow-summer-fade/

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I actually saw Battlefield Earth on the silver screen. It's quite possibly the worst U.S.-made film that I've ever seen in the theatres. Fortunately I"ve not heard folks say that about POTA and kin.

As for Cowboys & Aliens, if there's ever a movie that warrants being seen on the big screen, it might be that one. I didn't find it boring at all. There were some uncomfortable moments involving race which I think may have hurt its potential sales. Harrison Ford said some stuff to an Indian step-son of sorts that didn't endear him to anyone. I still can't figure out why it was said, other than perhaps to boost the intensity of the build-up? NOTE: I don't consider any of that a spoiler...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> The "cult" of many other Science Fiction franchises are much bigger than APES besides STAR TREK, and I don't recall anyone here saying APES is just as big as STAR TREK. Of course it isn't. STAR WARS and ALIEN are bigger franchises for Fox than APES.
>
> As for COWBOYS & ALIENS.... I almost went to it, but the general impression I got was that it was boring, so I can wait for the Blu-ray and that's as a rental. I do think that those that OK'd $200 Million for that production were dummies, but it'll certainly make back its money over time. It's not as if it's BATTLEFIELD EARTH.
>
> -- Rory
>

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I'd have to say the first franchise was the Universal

Monsters. Maybe Horror's not Sci Fi, but I'd say

Frankenstein qualifies. Though like Star Wars,

It peaked on the second one and went down

hill from there.  The Invisible Man would be

Sci Fi too.  There were lots of Mystery

Detective franchises too. Sherlock

Holmes, Charlie Chan, Mr. Moto.

All were pretty big in their day.

Maybe not Mega, but . . .

 

 

In a message dated 9/2/2011 5:09:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnroche49@... writes:

The first and best mega franchise

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Domestically, but remember, Rise still has three more

countries to open in.  And it doesn't open in Japan

until October.  Japan is a very Apeofile country.

 

 

In a message dated 9/2/2011 11:20:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

Probably this Labor Day weekend will be the Apes' last hurrah before they go to that big blu ray in the sky (on November 8th!).

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Even with all the new movies, "Rise" is still swimming with the fish (or the sharks). Currently it's looking like # 5 but it's pretty tight, in the $10 -12 million range for everybody but "The Help" ($18 million). If anyone here has $1 million to spend at the movies, "Rise" could use your help. Sorry, "help" was the wrong choice of words. Two more days to go in the 4-day weekend. Could it rise again?

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/first-box-office-slow-summer-fade/

Here's a cool "Rise" cover for the U.K. mag "Sci Fi Now". Thanks to Al for the heads up.

http://www.scifinow.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/SFN57_small.jpg

Rise will hopefully do well with DVD rentals and sales, etc., but it's not clear how we'll find out. At least at Box Office Mojo, this is about as good as the tracking gets for such revenues:

Rocky Balboa:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rocky6.htm

Rambo (the latest):

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rambo08.htm

& Avatar:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=avatar.htm

Those listings get their data supposedly from:

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/

but at least at first glance, I didn't find better results at the original "source"...

I've read that Terminator (1984) did far better on video rental than at the box office, so these sales are significant. The last time I saw T1 at the theatre, it was during my only visit to a drive-in and she and I never even turned on the speakers except for maybe 30 seconds :-)

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Godzilla?

 

In a message dated 9/4/2011 9:57:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

What's the longest running feature-film length movie series in Hollywood history?

 

I'll bet no one here can guess.

 

-- Rory

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Yes it has.  It opened in Chile on the 1st.

Here are the remaining release dates . . .

 

Colombia	9 September 2011
Italy	23 September 2011
Japan	7 October 2011

Colombia	9 September 2011
Italy	23 September 2011
Japan	7 October 2011

Columbia  9/9

Italy         9/23

Japan      10/7

Colombia	9 September 2011
Italy	23 September 2011
Japan	7 October 2011

 

 

In a message dated 9/4/2011 9:57:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Has it opened in Brazil and Mexico yet?

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