DEATH has a hard release date of Fall 2012. I am looking to debut it at DragonCon next year!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "knightangel314" <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
> Any indication as to when DEATH will be out?
>
> Mel
>

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are you refering to the interior of the ship?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> i would seriously like to make a special effect paper model of the inside of the icarus, it would be about as big as a shoe box, with the warping stars using bounce lighting, and lit up panels, just looking in from the front edge of the stasis beds.
> you have the graphics, you posted them here for free, all i need is a top shot looking down, a roof shot looking up, and left and right side shots. can we work on this together? i will build you one for free, is it hard to make those shots? can we do this? please let me know.
> jim
>

The one I can think of with a heck of a lot of entries is James Bond.

Mel

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@...> wrote:
>
> The question was related to Hollywood releases. Godzilla is Toho (Japan). The only 'pure' Godzilla Hollywood release was the Emmerich (1998?) one. It would take Hollywood to change Godzilla into a girl!
>
> Dario
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 4, 2011, at 5:38 PM, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> >
> > Godzilla?
> >
> > In a message dated 9/4/2011 9:57:24 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:
> > What's the longest running feature-film length movie series in Hollywood history?
> >
> > I'll bet no one here can guess.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>

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Are you planning any type of items (cards, prints, etc.) to promote
"Death/POTA"?




In a message dated 9/4/2011 6:58:27 PM Central Daylight Time,
blamventurer@... writes:

> DEATH has a hard release date of Fall 2012. I am looking to debut it at
> DragonCon next year

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give me a day or so, and I'll try to get several different angles for you

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> yes, the interior.
> imagine that the model is like a peekaboo box and you will be looking in towards the viewport. probably about 6-8 inches tall and 8-10 inches wide at the opening where you will look into.
> thank you,
> jim
>

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Okay, I thought DeNiro's Frankenstein

was kind of lame.  That top's it.  Worst

Frankenstein Ever!

 

In a message dated 9/4/2011 6:02:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, goathunter@... writes:

Edison made a silent Frankenstein film in 1910:

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I will now rank a country's contribution

to civilization by boxoffice totals.

 

 

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I look forward to country-by-country revenue updates at:

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I firmly believe that Apes is a far bigger franchise than Star Trek.If you define the size of a franchise in terms of how receptive to the concept the general public are, Apes eclipses Trek totally.If you define the popularity of a franchise in terms of its extreme fans, ie ,fanatics, then Trek would win, because it has fans who think Shakespeare sounds better in Klingon.But you can't just define a grouping in terms of its fanatics and extremists, any more than you could with a race or religion.In terms of knee-jerk, instinctive,gut level popularity,the appeal of Apes is far broader than Trek.Trek has a niche, but can't actually extend beyond that niche---despite years and years of trying.
Ask yourself this.Which set of movie executives are feeling more confident about the next movie in their franchise,the Apes guys or the Trek guys? RISE 2 is a locked down, guaranteed hit--because it has wider appeal generally and is therefore the bigger franchise. Apes Rules.John, Scrolls..

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "knightangel314" <chimel23@...> wrote:
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> The one I can think of with a heck of a lot of entries is James Bond.
>
> Mel
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"We're ready to move onto the next phase". - - - Will Rodman in "Rise of the POTA"

Still no confirmation of a sequel to "Rise" but Fox's Tom Rothman has admitted to the NY Times that there was a "great upside" to "Rise" and their "X-Men" prequel, and the Times are running with the idea that sequels are a given. In fact it would be cool if Fox sent the "Rise" writers an e-mail with the same title as this post, the same message famously given Paul Dehn to continue the franchise despite the end of the world in "Beneath".

Thanks to Al for the heads-up.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/05/business/media/summer-movie-attendance-continues-to-erode.html_r=2&pagewanted=1

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Good observation, Tim. You're right. When he looks at the tag I assumed he was thinking of his brethren at Gen-Sys but now I get the feeling there were Cornelia scenes at the "madhouse" and at Gen-Sys. They said in the behind-the-scenes that the Cornelia angle really interested the director. It's funny how they make a big deal about introducing her but she's not really in the movie. I think she will provide the bulk of the deleted scenes.


From: Tim "apefan"
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise" labors this weekend




I saw it for the second time over the weekend....and while I enjoyed again, i was really missing those deleted scenes,....I wanted just a little more 'oomph'....it looks like FOx made Rupert cut it down just for action....
also noticed when Casesar and the apes are wrecking the 'prison' and he goes to get Cornelia, he is handling a tag that says she was moved to Gen-Sys which gives him the reason to go there! I didn't see that tag the first time. Really want to see Cornelia scenes!
I still enjoyed it and will buy the discs when they come out.....
Tim

That would be the Bowery Boys, sir.


From: .
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 11:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise




sounds like those batman or superman mini series movies, that played before the main features. sherlock holmes or commando cody or something.
jim

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I think it loses some emotional impact when they downplay

their relationship.  I saw the tag, and thought WAIT!  They

just introduced her character.  Where's the motivation?

You saw part of the missing scene in the commercial.

I think they just saved it to get you to buy the DVD.

Can't have a DVD release without a director's cut.

 

 

In a message dated 9/5/2011 1:50:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

he is handling a tag that says she was moved to Gen-Sys which gives him the reason to go there! I didn't see that tag the first time. Really want to see Cornelia scenes!

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The Thin Man?

 

 

In a message dated 9/5/2011 1:50:52 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

 

What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood history?

 

I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:

 

It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.

 

If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched them every weekend.

 

-- Rory

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here is a paper model of the father of icarus, THE DAEDALUS to go with my story of the first vessel to use the faster than light drive, out and around the moon and return to cape canaveral,
however the return to normal space/time loses the astronaut in a series of landings and escapes into different ape-times.
and like daedalus, he does make it back to the early 1970's, but only after muttering a warning, he turns to dust, as his name; Adam implies, when the snapback of the time imprints ages him thousands of years in a moment on the white house lawn......
'LOST ON THE PLANET OF THE APES' will be a series of short stories of Adam's adventures.

[previously titled; 'MAD MONKEY WORLD']

jim
apparently i cannot attach pics here, so i will post the model in the photos section.

Abbott and costello films? John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood history?
>
> I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:
>
> It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
>
> If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched them every weekend.
>
> -- Rory
>

It can't be Abbott and Costello because Buck Privates is 1940, and it can't be Sherlock Holmes because the Rathbone series starts in the 30s. It might be Tarzan, but the franchise both starts and ends long before those dates. The dates are correct for Ma and Pa Kettle, but there's nothing like 48 movies in the franchise. I think Godzilla is technically the franchise with the most sequels, but it's not Hollywood made, so it probably doesn't count. There's about fifty Roy Rogers features, and though they end in the late fifties, they start before the war.

Unless it's something obscure like Billy Carson westerns, forgotten to time.

I believe that Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan are the two longest running Hollywood franchises by FAR, with more than a hundred films in each, so the questions is based on a somewhat false premise, though.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:12 PM, JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

Abbott and costello films? John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood history?
>
> I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:
>
> It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
>
> If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched them every weekend.
>
> -- Rory
>

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I just totally guessed at Abbot and Costello and Sherlock Holmes without any thought of years. The Bowery Boys in NY was on channel 5 on Long Island and AnadC was channel 11, both on weekends. Without digging into the computer Im at a loss, but a good trivia never ther less, Take Care, John M.
By the way the official take for Rise so far is just under 358 million with some good sized markets still to come. It will definitly beat Burtons fiasco at 362 million(and Rise was 10 million less atleast to produce) within a week or two and my gues it will be 400 million before the dvd/bluray release. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> It can't be Abbott and Costello because Buck Privates is 1940, and it can't
> be Sherlock Holmes because the Rathbone series starts in the 30s. It might
> be Tarzan, but the franchise both starts and ends long before those dates.
> The dates are correct for Ma and Pa Kettle, but there's nothing like 48
> movies in the franchise. I think Godzilla is technically the franchise with
> the most sequels, but it's not Hollywood made, so it probably doesn't
> count. There's about fifty Roy Rogers features, and though they end in the
> late fifties, they start before the war.
>
> Unless it's something obscure like Billy Carson westerns, forgotten to
> time.
>
> I believe that Sherlock Holmes and Tarzan are the two longest running
> Hollywood franchises by FAR, with more than a hundred films in each, so the
> questions is based on a somewhat false premise, though.
>

But Google never forgets. ; )


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 4:55 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise






That would be the Bowery Boys, sir.



That would be correct, sir. Today, they're nearly forgotten because they don't run them on TV like they once did.

-- Rory

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Will "Rise of the POTA" do it? It's still got Colombia, Italy and Japan to open in. It's expected to be # 5 this weekend with $ 162 million domestic, $ 185 million foreign for a grand total of $ 347 million worldwide so far. If it hits $ 500 mil it'll be Fox's biggest hit of the year, have beat all the comic book movies and whooped Burton's flick (even counting inflation). Plus "half a billion" kind of rolls off the tongue. It still won't pass "Little Fockers" but that's a battle for another day.
$ 500 million. Will it do it?

In light of this anniversary, shouldn't Hulu.com properly order the Apes cartoon episodes which it makes available for free?

Here's a list of the episodes, with guides:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Return_to_the_Planet_of_the_Apes_episodes

In contrast, Hulu still seems to be listing them according to air dates:

http://www.hulu.com/return-to-the-planet-of-the-apes

This is confusing and a possible turn-off to potential fans, especially their kids who don't know about the inappropriate ordering ahead of time...

If someone feels up to trying to get Hulu to right this apparent wrong, here's Hulu's contact data:

Hulu, LLC
Hulu LLC
12312 W. Olympic Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90064
US
Phone: +1.3105714700
Email: huludomains@...

The more of us chime in with Hulu, the more likely they'll address the problem.

As a sidenote, as a child I didn't even notice the lack of coherence in the series' airdates. But if the air dates are as Hulu lists them, I should have been confused. Perhaps childish ignorance was bliss for me :-)

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I thought about the Bowery Boys, and The Ritz Brothers.

But I didn't think it went on as long as some other.

 

In a message dated 9/5/2011 6:06:40 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

That would be the Bowery Boys, sir.

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On 05/09/2011 23:12, JohnM conquest-idor wrote:

 

Abbott and costello films? John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood history?
>
> I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:
>
> It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
>
> If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched them every weekend.
>
> -- Rory
>

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It seems the average wide release is 13 weeks or 91 days.

At 32 days Rise isn't even half way through and still 3 more

countries to go.  That should put it over the half billion mark.

 

 

In a message dated 9/6/2011 12:50:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 

Will "Rise of the POTA" do it? It's still got Colombia, Italy and Japan to open in. It's expected to be # 5 this weekend with $ 162 million domestic, $ 185 million foreign for a grand total of $ 347 million worldwide so far. If it hits $ 500 mil it'll be Fox's biggest hit of the year, have beat all the comic book movies and whooped Burton's flick (even counting inflation). Plus "half a billion" kind of rolls off the tongue. It still won't pass "Little Fockers" but that's a battle for another day.
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Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s, when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had, in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous cause.
And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere. too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The interview quotes Gene :
'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet of the Apes fail'.
I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> That's just not logical, Captain. The new "Star Trek" made about as much worldwide as the new "Apes". Five TV shows (a TV show can't be supported by just fans), 20 years solid of continuous movies? There are two all time champs in sci-fi and they are "Star Wars" and "Star Trek". And you will bow down Thursday as "Star Trek" turns 45, mister!
>
>

Im with you, APES and only APES. Star Trek has its moments and Star Wars is childish drivel masquarading as mature entertainment. I hated those late 70s early 80s years with those two franchises acting like the world owed them something. They were(Star Wars esp.) riding the coatails of the first big Fox phenemenom-Planet of the Apes. If Apes was not a money maker Star Wars never would have been made, at Fox anyway. Their are many many reasons about how and what was made, too much for here but lets just say that if Apes did not prove a popular franchise movie history would of been very different.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s, when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had, in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous cause.
> And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere. too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The interview quotes Gene :
> 'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet of the Apes fail'.
> I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
> Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.
>

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Thanks Jim! Here is a link for those who want to download: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/photos/album/1660097670/pic/list

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "aquaboi@..." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> here is a paper model of the father of icarus, THE DAEDALUS to go with my story of the first vessel to use the faster than light drive, out and around the moon and return to cape canaveral,
> however the return to normal space/time loses the astronaut in a series of landings and escapes into different ape-times.
> and like daedalus, he does make it back to the early 1970's, but only after muttering a warning, he turns to dust, as his name; Adam implies, when the snapback of the time imprints ages him thousands of years in a moment on the white house lawn......
> 'LOST ON THE PLANET OF THE APES' will be a series of short stories of Adam's adventures.
>
> [previously titled; 'MAD MONKEY WORLD']
>
> jim
> apparently i cannot attach pics here, so i will post the model in the photos section.
>

I don't think it need to be an "us vs. them" proposition. I think someone can be a POTA fan while still being a fan of other films and franchises. There is room for them all.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s, when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had, in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous cause.
> And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere. too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The interview quotes Gene :
> 'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet of the Apes fail'.
> I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
> Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.
>

James, you flirt with blasphemy and are a banana skin away from being marked for target practice.If the Apes films teach us anything, it's that integration and understanding just don't work, so, Ape-up and pick a side! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think it need to be an "us vs. them" proposition. I think
> someone can be a POTA fan while still being a fan of other films and
> franchises. There is room for them all.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You
> bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come
> scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s,
> when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had,
> in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an
> average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over
> with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's
> eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as
> the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in
> that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous
> cause.
> > And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay
> and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden
> history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore
> that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv
> series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere.
> too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an
> interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot
> about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The
> interview quotes Gene :
> > 'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then
> dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet
> of the Apes fail'.
> > I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half
> Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that
> equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're
> either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
> > Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.
> >
>

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Regarding:

>>>Rupert Wyatt set the record straight recently that Scott Frank didn't originate "Rise" and said what he knows about that version. He says, "I think (it) dealt with Caesar as more of a Frankenstein (monster) in a cage at home. I'm not really sure, but it was a very different spin. He left.<<<

I bet THAT version would have made about as much money as Star Trek (10?): Nemesis:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek10.htm


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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Considering how badly screenwriters are often treated in Hollywood, one of the nice things about "Rise of the POTA" is the rise of it's screenwriters. "Rise" owes it's existence to Rick Jaffa having the idea to modernize POTA in the first place. As often happens, eventually the original writer was replaced, in this case by Scott Frank. Frank is an acclaimed screenwriter ("Minority Report", "Get Shorty") who had likewise made an acclaimed directorial debut with "The Lookout". But Frank didn't work out and Fox went back to the original writers and brought in Rupert Wyatt to direct. Not only that but the writers were eventually given producer positions to see their baby through. Some cried foul at the loss of Scott Frank (and those who have a problem with the "Rise" script probably still do). But as screenwriter stories go it's an inspiring one of perseverance. Jaffa and Amanda Silver worked on "Rise" from 2006 until it's release.
> Rupert Wyatt set the record straight recently that Scott Frank didn't originate "Rise" and said what he knows about that version. He says, "I think (it) dealt with Caesar as more of a Frankenstein (monster) in a cage at home. I'm not really sure, but it was a very different spin. He left. He didn't see eye to eye, as far as I know, with what the studio wanted".
>
> http://www.apecentral.net/2011/09/the-alternate-rise-rupert-wyatt-on-the-apes-that-could-have-been.html"
>

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I like Star Trek , it was part of my childhood in the 60s. The Apes just hit me more and even as our ever ageing bodies decay we are human and like sport nuts we will always for one reason or another like or love what we do, its evolution to take sides because genetic and enviormental causes these reactions even if they really do seem silly.
Its just been almost 40 years since we had something to be proud of. The spotlight always seemed to be on Star-take your pick- and to finally have Apes take it back is just bringing it all back home. Long Live the Apes!, LoL John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I don't think it need to be an "us vs. them" proposition. I think
> someone can be a POTA fan while still being a fan of other films and
> franchises. There is room for them all.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You
> bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come
> scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s,
> when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had,
> in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an
> average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over
> with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's
> eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as
> the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in
> that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous
> cause.
> > And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay
> and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden
> history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore
> that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv
> series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere.
> too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an
> interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot
> about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The
> interview quotes Gene :
> > 'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then
> dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet
> of the Apes fail'.
> > I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half
> Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that
> equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're
> either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
> > Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.
> >
>

True, but the start of it all and the template was Apes and I will aurgue that point. It changed drastically after apes because films were opining wide since Jaws and a fan base could be had so much faster and blah blah blah, .I took enough film courses and any liberal professor will always have Apes as the granddaddy of modern sci-fi, sequel high genre filmaking even at its worst. Some film had to start it and it was Planet of the Apes in 1968,the best film(sci-fi) of the last 50 years. What forum am I on, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I don't deny "Apes" was the big honcho in the '60's and '70's. At that point "Star Trek" was a failed TV show and George Lucas was saying, "Boy! They're sure milking that POTA. I wish I could do that. I'd put out even more toys and I'd fix a few things on the movies". But history has shown, whether they deserve it or not, that in the long run the two "Star"s blew sci-fi wide open in the late '70's and made it an "A" genre in terms of popularity. And spawned the famous challenge: "Which is better, "Star Wars" or "Star Trek"? It's just a fact, Landon.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:24 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Star Trek is Doing Fine.
>
>
>
> Im with you, APES and only APES. Star Trek has its moments and Star Wars is childish drivel masquarading as mature entertainment. I hated those late 70s early 80s years with those two franchises acting like the world owed them something. They were(Star Wars esp.) riding the coatails of the first big Fox phenemenom-Planet of the Apes. If Apes was not a money maker Star Wars never would have been made, at Fox anyway. Their are many many reasons about how and what was made, too much for here but lets just say that if Apes did not prove a popular franchise movie history would of been very different.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s, when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had, in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous cause.
> > And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere. too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The interview quotes Gene :
> > 'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet of the Apes fail'.
> > I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
> > Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.
> >
>

Alien3's director's claim to fame, beforehand, was (I seem to recall) having made an MTV video. Interestingly enough, that movie did far better overseas than domestically (which isn't the usual trend, from what I've unscientifically observed over the years...):

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=alien3.htm

It would seem that Rise might wind up with a somewhat similar foreign revenue percentage...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> It's a good thing Scott Frank got pushed out. He did the screenplay for that mediocre remake of FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX back in 2004. His version of RISE would have been like a "reimagining" of KONGA from 1961.
>
> But do you know what Rupert Wyatt was doing at Fox before getting the RISE gig? Developing a script based on the TV show "Ice Road Truckers"!!! What the hell are they thinking sometimes?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 12:28 pm
> Subject: [pota] Re: Rupert Wyatt talks Scott Frank version of "Rise"
>
>
>
>
> Regarding:
>
> >>>Rupert Wyatt set the record straight recently that Scott Frank didn't originate "Rise" and said what he knows about that version. He says, "I think (it) dealt with Caesar as more of a Frankenstein (monster) in a cage at home. I'm not really sure, but it was a very different spin. He left.<<<
>
> I bet THAT version would have made about as much money as Star Trek (10?): Nemesis:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=startrek10.htm
>
> __
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Considering how badly screenwriters are often treated in Hollywood, one of the nice things about "Rise of the POTA" is the rise of it's screenwriters. "Rise" owes it's existence to Rick Jaffa having the idea to modernize POTA in the first place. As often happens, eventually the original writer was replaced, in this case by Scott Frank. Frank is an acclaimed screenwriter ("Minority Report", "Get Shorty") who had likewise made an acclaimed directorial debut with "The Lookout". But Frank didn't work out and Fox went back to the original writers and brought in Rupert Wyatt to direct. Not only that but the writers were eventually given producer positions to see their baby through. Some cried foul at the loss of Scott Frank (and those who have a problem with the "Rise" script probably still do). But as screenwriter stories go it's an inspiring one of perseverance. Jaffa and Amanda Silver worked on "Rise" f rom 2006 until it's release.
> > Rupert Wyatt set the record straight recently that Scott Frank didn't originate "Rise" and said what he knows about that version. He says, "I think (it) dealt with Caesar as more of a Frankenstein (monster) in a cage at home. I'm not really sure, but it was a very different spin. He left. He didn't see eye to eye, as far as I know, with what the studio wanted".
> >
> > http://www.apecentral.net/2011/09/the-alternate-rise-rupert-wyatt-on-the-apes-that-could-have-been.html"
> >
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Bond? Bowery Boys? Now, here's where it gets semantic.

The most successful franchise has still got to be Sherlock Holmes, which has over a hundred films to his name. Is the reason it's not considered the longest and most successful franchise is because half of them were made in England, and the cast changes a lot? I get that the Dead End Kids kept a lot of the same cast for many of their films, which is different critera, but that would rule out James Bond as a franchise as the cast includes no one from the originals at this point (now that Q has passed away) and Dr. No wasn't the original anyway (it was a black and white, made for TV version of Casino Royale, featuring Jimmy Bond, agent for the CIA!).

After Holmes I'm almost certain Tarzan comes in second, with ALMOST a hundred features (I think it's the high 90s), starting in the late twenties/early thirties I think, and darn near all of them made in Hollywood. It's certainly much longer than fifty years.

Ty the Guy

Bonus question to argue about: I had this lovely discussion on a different group last year: What is the longest wait before an OFFICIAL sequel was made? For instance: The COLOR OF MONEY was an official sequel to THE HUSTLER and the wait was almost thirty years, but it's not even close to the winner.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

The longest continuing running franchise would have to be James Bond, which turns 50 next year.

From: .

Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:30 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise

godzilla is mostly toho studios in japan.

though you are right about the count. king ghidorah and destroy all monsters feature godzilla but arent godzilla movies.

so it is around 30 so far.

as far as hollywood franchise goes, i thought it was lucille ball's tv shows.

but if movies are the topic, and hollywood is the area of production, then it would have to be jason movies, arent they up to around 17 count so far?

jim

From: Robert Mansell <robert.mansell@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise

Godzilla has about 30.

Robert Mansell

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On 05/09/2011 23:12, JohnM conquest-idor wrote:

Abbott and costello films? John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood history?
>
> I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:
>
> It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
>
> If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched them every weekend.
>
> -- Rory
>

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It looks like BOOM's 4 issue mini-series 'Betrayal of the POTA' will feature a look that is more consistent with the original movies.

Check out a cover at:

<http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=planet%20apes&order=15&offset=24#/d47d26b>

Dave

Damn, got it on the first try. That takes out the fun.

The only other contenders were RETURN TO OZ and MASK OF ZORRO, both of which lost to Bambi only by a few years.

Okay, that's my game question. Ya got me.

Ty the Guy

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 1:06 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Bambi (1942). Bambi 2 (2006).

The difference is the James Bond flicks were made by the same people as opposed to different companies doing movies. Like the Universal "Frankenstein" movies are a different beast than the Hammer ones. But I've heard "Frankenstein" and "Dracula" are the most filmed stories.

From: Ty Templeton

Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 9:44 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise

Bond? Bowery Boys? Now, here's where it gets semantic.

The most successful franchise has still got to be Sherlock Holmes, which has over a hundred films to his name. Is the reason it's not considered the longest and most successful franchise is because half of them were made in England, and the cast changes a lot? I get that the Dead End Kids kept a lot of the same cast for many of their films, which is different critera, but that would rule out James Bond as a franchise as the cast includes no one from the originals at this point (now that Q has passed away) and Dr. No wasn't the original anyway (it was a black and white, made for TV version of Casino Royale, featuring Jimmy Bond, agent for the CIA!).

After Holmes I'm almost certain Tarzan comes in second, with ALMOST a hundred features (I think it's the high 90s), starting in the late twenties/early thirties I think, and darn near all of them made in Hollywood. It's certainly much longer than fifty years.

Ty the Guy

Bonus question to argue about: I had this lovely discussion on a different group last year: What is the longest wait before an OFFICIAL sequel was made? For instance: The COLOR OF MONEY was an official sequel to THE HUSTLER and the wait was almost thirty years, but it's not even close to the winner.

On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

The longest continuing running franchise would have to be James Bond, which turns 50 next year.

From: .

Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:30 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise

godzilla is mostly toho studios in japan.

though you are right about the count. king ghidorah and destroy all monsters feature godzilla but arent godzilla movies.

so it is around 30 so far.

as far as hollywood franchise goes, i thought it was lucille ball's tv shows.

but if movies are the topic, and hollywood is the area of production, then it would have to be jason movies, arent they up to around 17 count so far?

jim

From: Robert Mansell <robert.mansell@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise

Godzilla has about 30.

Robert Mansell

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On 05/09/2011 23:12, JohnM conquest-idor wrote:

Abbott and costello films? John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood history?
>
> I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:
>
> It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
>
> If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched them every weekend.
>
> -- Rory
>

--
Ty Templeton's Art Land
www.tytempleton.com

http://www.facebook.com/TyTempletonFanPage

www.twitter.com/tytempleton

--
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www.tytempleton.com

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www.twitter.com/tytempleton

Opinion is divided on whether Star Wars or Apes is the biggest franchise.I say it's Apes.Everybody else agrees it's Star Wars.I got the chance to watch RISE again last night and it's a movie that just improves on repeat viewing.Simply wonderful.A couple of points hit me.When, over the end credits, the pilot is spreading the disease, the music used is 'Cookies', the track used earlier for Caesar's distribution of the special treats--sick joke or what? Also, on the bridge, I didn't register first time that the Apes split into their three groupings--the Gorillas shove the bus, the Orangs go under the bridge and the chimps go high.So, the early seeds of species separation are there.Y'know, just like with Apes and Trek fans.
Isn't it just mind blowing to have Apes back on top and riding high again---I felt like jumping up in the air and shouting with triumph in the cinema the first time I saw RISE! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I don't deny "Apes" was the big honcho in the '60's and '70's. At that point "Star Trek" was a failed TV show and George Lucas was saying, "Boy! They're sure milking that POTA. I wish I could do that. I'd put out even more toys and I'd fix a few things on the movies". But history has shown, whether they deserve it or not, that in the long run the two "Star"s blew sci-fi wide open in the late '70's and made it an "A" genre in terms of popularity. And spawned the famous challenge: "Which is better, "Star Wars" or "Star Trek"? It's just a fact, Landon.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 3:24 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Star Trek is Doing Fine.
>
>
>
> Im with you, APES and only APES. Star Trek has its moments and Star Wars is childish drivel masquarading as mature entertainment. I hated those late 70s early 80s years with those two franchises acting like the world owed them something. They were(Star Wars esp.) riding the coatails of the first big Fox phenemenom-Planet of the Apes. If Apes was not a money maker Star Wars never would have been made, at Fox anyway. Their are many many reasons about how and what was made, too much for here but lets just say that if Apes did not prove a popular franchise movie history would of been very different.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Aha!! The ol' Trek Trap still works.After all these years, too.You bait the trap with a dollop of franchise envy and the Trekkies come scurrying off the holo-deck like tribbles on fire.I remember the 70s, when the two big franchises were really Apes and Trek.Trek always had, in my personal opinion, a misplaced superiority complex about it----an average tv show simply doing essentially the same story over and over with the only variable being the angles of Spock and Kirk's eyebrows.After the Apes tv series was cancelled, Apes was portrayed as the failed younger brother.And I grew bitter.Bitter and twisted.And in that pit of hatred and despair I waited for evidence of my righteous cause.
> > And lo, Proteus didst order a pot luck stash of old Starlogs on ebay and ,lo, issue #175 from 1992 was opened to reveal a hidden history,suppressed by our Federation overlords.It's part of Apes lore that Gene Roddenberry was consulted about 'saving'the Apes tv series.Paula Crist has alluded to it and it's mentioned elsewhere. too.Starlog #175 was a tribute to Gene Roddenberry and contains an interview with Gene where he refers to 'Genesis II' a tv series pilot about a post apocalyptic world and a man out of time scenario.The interview quotes Gene :
> > 'CBS bought the concept,pencilled it onto the schedule,and then dropped it in favor of Planet of the Apes,I was delighted to see Planet of the Apes fail'.
> > I had it at last! Evidence that the planet could not long endure half Ape and half Klingon,even though Star Wars had long since shat on that equation! Still, I cannot now 'seal the cave'.Pick a side folks, you're either hairy or scary, you can't be both.
> > Beware the Beast Trek, for it is the Devil's pawn.....John, Scrolls.
> >
>

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Looks great! It would be nice to revisit the familiar Apes universe again, at long last.The qualty of the BOOM! comics is a revelation and I'm really looking forward to this mini.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> It looks like BOOM's 4 issue mini-series 'Betrayal of the POTA' will feature a look that is more consistent with the original movies.
>
> Check out a cover at:
>
> <http://browse.deviantart.com/?q=planet%20apes&order=15&offset=24#/d47d26b>
>
> Dave
>

Toho has been releasing Godzilla movies since 1954, but take a hiatus
every now and then when the series begins to dull and audiences lose
interest. These releases are grouped into distinctly defined eras, with
roughly a decade of no releases in between.

We're just about to end the latest hiatus after "Godzilla Final Wars"
(2005) with a recently announced new movie in the works. Unfortunately,
this new movie may be more like the 1998 Hollywood reboot (with Matthew
Broderick) since its a deal in which Toho licensed the rights to
Legendary Pictures.

There is no argument that as a whole Godzilla movies nothing more than
meaningless popcorn fare. But I enjoy them none the less and confess to
owning most of the movies that I occasionally watch with my son.

But for what it's worth, the original 1954 Japanese version (not the one
in which Raymond Burr was edited into for a North American release) is
serious, thought provoking movie made to reflect the sentiments and
perils of nuclear technologies. I highly recommend that you watch that
one if you get the chance.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: Haristas@...
Date: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 10:28 am
Subject: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise

>
>
> The longest continuing running franchise would have to be James
> Bond, which turns 50 next year.
> If they're still making Godzilla movies out of Japan, that would be
> older than Bond.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Sep 6, 2011 6:26 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise
>
>
>
>
>
> The longest continuing running franchise would have to be James
> Bond, which turns 50 next year.
>
>
>
>
> From: .
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:30 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> godzilla is mostly toho studios in japan.
>
> though you are right about the count. king ghidorah and destroy all
> monsters feature godzilla but arent godzilla movies.
> so it is around 30 so far.
> as far as hollywood franchise goes, i thought it was lucille ball's
> tv shows.
> but if movies are the topic, and hollywood is the area of
> production, then it would have to be jason movies, arent they up to
> around 17 count so far?
> jim
>
>
>
>
> From: Robert Mansell <robert.mansell@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise
>
>
>
> Godzilla has about 30.
>
> Robert Mansell
> My Ebay Auctions
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> ttp://www.amazon.co.uk/shops/mrspireite
>
> On 05/09/2011 23:12, JohnM conquest-idor wrote:
>
> Abbott and costello films? John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in
> Hollywood history?
> >
> > I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a
> couple hints:
> >
> > It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
> >
> > If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably
> watched them every weekend.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

To answer your question, one candidate for the longest wait for a sequel may be the brief sequel to The Time Machine. An original was released in 1960, and a very brief sequel was created sometime around 1992, featuring the original actor (reportedly with loads of make-up). I'm not sure that it was ever released for the public though, but I lived in Los Angeles at the time so I learned about it that way.

___

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Ty Templeton <tybunny@...> wrote:
>
> Bond? Bowery Boys? Now, here's where it gets semantic.
>
> The most successful franchise has still got to be Sherlock Holmes, which has
> over a hundred films to his name. Is the reason it's not considered the
> longest and most successful franchise is because half of them were made in
> England, and the cast changes a lot? I get that the Dead End Kids kept a
> lot of the same cast for many of their films, which is different critera,
> but that would rule out James Bond as a franchise as the cast includes no
> one from the originals at this point (now that Q has passed away) and Dr. No
> wasn't the original anyway (it was a black and white, made for TV version of
> Casino Royale, featuring Jimmy Bond, agent for the CIA!).
>
> After Holmes I'm almost certain Tarzan comes in second, with ALMOST a
> hundred features (I think it's the high 90s), starting in the late
> twenties/early thirties I think, and darn near all of them made in
> Hollywood. It's certainly much longer than fifty years.
>
> Ty the Guy
>
> Bonus question to argue about: I had this lovely discussion on a different
> group last year: What is the longest wait before an OFFICIAL sequel was
> made? For instance: The COLOR OF MONEY was an official sequel to THE
> HUSTLER and the wait was almost thirty years, but it's not even close to the
> winner.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > **
> > The longest continuing running franchise would have to be James Bond,
> > which turns 50 next year.
> >
> > *From:* . <aquaboi@...>
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:30 PM
> > *To:* pota@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise
> >
> >
> >
> > godzilla is mostly toho studios in japan.
> >
> > though you are right about the count. king ghidorah and destroy all
> > monsters feature godzilla but arent godzilla movies.
> > so it is around 30 so far.
> > as far as hollywood franchise goes, i thought it was lucille ball's tv
> > shows.
> > but if movies are the topic, and hollywood is the area of production, then
> > it would have to be jason movies, arent they up to around 17 count so far?
> > jim
> >
> > *From:* Robert Mansell <robert.mansell@...>
> > *To:* pota@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 6, 2011 12:28 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [pota] Re: (OT) Longest running Hollywood franchise
> >
> >
> > Godzilla has about 30.
> >
> > Robert Mansell
> >
> > My Ebay Auctionshttp://shop.ebay.co.uk/football-posters-direct/m.html"
> >
> > My Amazon Itemshttp://www.amazon.co.uk/shops/mrspireite
> >
> >
> > On 05/09/2011 23:12, JohnM conquest-idor wrote:
> >
> >
> > Abbott and costello films? John M.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > What's the longest running feature-length film franchise in Hollywood
> > history?
> > >
> > > I doubt any of you here can answer this, so I'll give you a couple hints:
> > >
> > > It's 48 movies, made from 1946 to 1958.
> > >
> > > If you were a kid in the 1960's in New York or L.A. you probably watched
> > them every weekend.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Yahoo to discontinue YahooGroups? Hopefully not, but:

http://www.chron.com/business/article/Uncertain-future-for-Yahoo-2159981.php

It's worth noting that 15 years ago, few if any people thought Digital's Altavista search engine would become a lifeless hollow shell, either. To varying degrees, the same goes for Excite, Infoseek, Lycos & Hotbot, etc...

Even Google discontinues unprofitable endeavors. I'm glad we apeonauts have gotten to enjoy this service while it's still around. Hopefully it will continue to be. But if an Omega day ever arrives for our group, at least we'll have been on the lookout. If Cornelius, Milo and Zira could resurrect the Icarus (or, according to some, if they could find and launch Brent's ship), then we can hopefully resurrect our group wherever it can exist.

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I hope News Corporation (Fox) doesn't buy it!


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Yahoo to discontinue YahooGroups? Hopefully not, but...



Yahoo to discontinue YahooGroups? Hopefully not, but:

http://www.chron.com/business/article/Uncertain-future-for-Yahoo-2159981.php

It's worth noting that 15 years ago, few if any people thought Digital's Altavista search engine would become a lifeless hollow shell, either. To varying degrees, the same goes for Excite, Infoseek, Lycos & Hotbot, etc...

Even Google discontinues unprofitable endeavors. I'm glad we apeonauts have gotten to enjoy this service while it's still around. Hopefully it will continue to be. But if an Omega day ever arrives for our group, at least we'll have been on the lookout. If Cornelius, Milo and Zira could resurrect the Icarus (or, according to some, if they could find and launch Brent's ship), then we can hopefully resurrect our group wherever it can exist.

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There is an interesting interview with Drew Gaska (Conspiracy) in a
recent Comic Geek Speak podcast:

http://media.libsyn.com/media/comicgeekspeak/cgs-episode1112.mp3

Aside from talk about the Conspiracy book itself, he also talks a bit
about how he acquired the license, MR comics' Revolution series, his
views on POTA 2001 and a few other things.

I just wish that Amazon.ca would now hurry up and just ship my damn copy
of Conspiracy so I can read it.

Dario

Im very computer illiterate but, where to we go if D-Day comes. Do we join a site like our own friends "Rise of the Planet of the Apes" site or somewhere else, or do we fade away. This is such a nice simple site and it is so well put together and offers so much.
What does a yahoo do. Get rid of poor profit sites then slowely cut and cut. These times are so bad. With all the other problems in this country(world) even alittle fun cant be had without a threat of obsolesesence and non-profitabliity.
If this discussion goes on let the people who understand these things post unlike me, Take Care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I hope News Corporation (Fox) doesn't buy it!
>
>
> From: georgetaylor68
> Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 9:31 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Yahoo to discontinue YahooGroups? Hopefully not, but...
>
>
>
> Yahoo to discontinue YahooGroups? Hopefully not, but:
>
> http://www.chron.com/business/article/Uncertain-future-for-Yahoo-2159981.php
>
> It's worth noting that 15 years ago, few if any people thought Digital's Altavista search engine would become a lifeless hollow shell, either. To varying degrees, the same goes for Excite, Infoseek, Lycos & Hotbot, etc...
>
> Even Google discontinues unprofitable endeavors. I'm glad we apeonauts have gotten to enjoy this service while it's still around. Hopefully it will continue to be. But if an Omega day ever arrives for our group, at least we'll have been on the lookout. If Cornelius, Milo and Zira could resurrect the Icarus (or, according to some, if they could find and launch Brent's ship), then we can hopefully resurrect our group wherever it can exist.
>

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In Northwest Louisiana, we still have three screens showing RISE, two at a Cinemark multiplex, and one at a Regal multiplex. I may have to see it one more time before it disappears.

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> RISE is going to still be at my local multiplex this weekend (amazing)! Not that this means I'll go see it again, but it has a 1:30 PM play time and CONTAGION has a 1:20 play time. So, I'll be doing the sneaky thing of buying a ticket to RISE, then going to see CONTAGION.
>
> By the way, I think a reason RISE may have been pushed back to August from November was because CONTAGION would have spoiled RISE's ending. Don't know for sure, but I suspect it.
>
> Is RISE still at any of your local theatres? Let's hear from the group.
>
> -- Rory
>

Yes, Rise is still all over the place, Suffolk county NY. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> RISE is going to still be at my local multiplex this weekend (amazing)! Not that this means I'll go see it again, but it has a 1:30 PM play time and CONTAGION has a 1:20 play time. So, I'll be doing the sneaky thing of buying a ticket to RISE, then going to see CONTAGION.
>
> By the way, I think a reason RISE may have been pushed back to August from November was because CONTAGION would have spoiled RISE's ending. Don't know for sure, but I suspect it.
>
> Is RISE still at any of your local theatres? Let's hear from the group.
>
> -- Rory
>

Very open minded, "Ill drink to that", your friend, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Star Trek" and POTA started two years apart (1966 and 1968 respectively) and made their impact in the late '60's before being turned into Saturday morning cartoons and Mego toys in the '70's. Their impact and staying power has continued over 4 decades and their position in popular culture is as strong as ever thanks to recent prequel/reboots. Both began with, perhaps, over the top leads (William Shatner, Charlton Heston) but grew beyond those stories to encompass centuries. Maybe their approach couldn't be more different - - one says the universe will learn to work together, the other that we are doomed to eternal war - - but their end game is the same, not to be documentaries of the future but to show us ourselves. I think the combo of the two did as much to popularize science fiction in the modern era and that's what I call teamwork. And both shared many of the same creatives, Mark Lenard, Ricardo Montalban, John Chambers, Jerry Goldsmith, among them. So here's to POTA's partner in crime.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjn0lv9IW-A
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3e-91zP5rE
>

I'll be able to see it for months. I can still see "X-Men: First Class" if I wanted to in a theater.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:46 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise still hanging in there



Yes, Rise is still all over the place, Suffolk county NY. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> RISE is going to still be at my local multiplex this weekend (amazing)! Not that this means I'll go see it again, but it has a 1:30 PM play time and CONTAGION has a 1:20 play time. So, I'll be doing the sneaky thing of buying a ticket to RISE, then going to see CONTAGION.
>
> By the way, I think a reason RISE may have been pushed back to August from November was because CONTAGION would have spoiled RISE's ending. Don't know for sure, but I suspect it.
>
> Is RISE still at any of your local theatres? Let's hear from the group.
>
> -- Rory
>

Just various talk her and their and the Amazon site and Blogs are all saying that a digital disc will be here around November 8th or so. Thats fast man. The digital Bits was my old camping ground and nothing from them yet. Is their a concenses yet as to when? John M.

Interesting that "Star Trek" is about a peaceful society and Ricardo Montalban is their poster boy for conflict (Khaaaaaan!!) while POTA is about societies at war and Montalban played the voice of peace. Ricardo has done enough to make sci-fi fans "grateful forever".


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:49 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: 45 years of "Star Trek"



Very open minded, "Ill drink to that", your friend, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Star Trek" and POTA started two years apart (1966 and 1968 respectively) and made their impact in the late '60's before being turned into Saturday morning cartoons and Mego toys in the '70's. Their impact and staying power has continued over 4 decades and their position in popular culture is as strong as ever thanks to recent prequel/reboots. Both began with, perhaps, over the top leads (William Shatner, Charlton Heston) but grew beyond those stories to encompass centuries. Maybe their approach couldn't be more different - - one says the universe will learn to work together, the other that we are doomed to eternal war - - but their end game is the same, not to be documentaries of the future but to show us ourselves. I think the combo of the two did as much to popularize science fiction in the modern era and that's what I call teamwork. And both shared many of the same creatives, Mark Lenard, Ricardo Montalban, John Chambers, Jerry Goldsmith, among them. So here's to POTA's partner in crime.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjn0lv9IW-A
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3e-91zP5rE
>

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I'll agree that Ricardo Montalban deserves our gratitude, in part for inspiring an invigorating Conquest of the Planet of the Apes. As for Star Trek's being about peaceful coexistence, I am not persuaded of that. There's usually conflict in the Star Trek universe. Or at the very least, there HAVE to be taxes to finance those magnificent Starfleet operations, and also so much more about which those cast members brag (such as the elimination of hunger). Where there are taxes, there are weapons and there is exploitation. Is that peaceful, just because we don't see it?
Here's a trivia question for anyone who might want to take a swing at it: What was the USA's federal income tax rate a century ago?

Have a great weekend... :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting that "Star Trek" is about a peaceful society and Ricardo Montalban is their poster boy for conflict (Khaaaaaan!!) while POTA is about societies at war and Montalban played the voice of peace. Ricardo has done enough to make sci-fi fans "grateful forever".
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 2:49 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: OT: 45 years of "Star Trek"
>
>
>
> Very open minded, "Ill drink to that", your friend, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > "Star Trek" and POTA started two years apart (1966 and 1968 respectively) and made their impact in the late '60's before being turned into Saturday morning cartoons and Mego toys in the '70's. Their impact and staying power has continued over 4 decades and their position in popular culture is as strong as ever thanks to recent prequel/reboots. Both began with, perhaps, over the top leads (William Shatner, Charlton Heston) but grew beyond those stories to encompass centuries. Maybe their approach couldn't be more different - - one says the universe will learn to work together, the other that we are doomed to eternal war - - but their end game is the same, not to be documentaries of the future but to show us ourselves. I think the combo of the two did as much to popularize science fiction in the modern era and that's what I call teamwork. And both shared many of the same creatives, Mark Lenard, Ricardo Montalban, John Chambers, Jerry Goldsmith, among them. So here's to POTA's partner in crime.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjn0lv9IW-A
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3e-91zP5rE
> >
>

Scott:
When a criminal's guilt is sufficiently clearly established, I am very much in favor of what you propose. If we're going to have to spend tens of thousands of dollars per year guarding and feeding and treating malicious criminals, we should at least get some return on that "investment". Maybe then fewer folks would commit crimes.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> It's heart breaking, terrible and cruel. Â Their first reaction and shared response is proof they have feelings and what was done to them is beyond words. Â There are plenty of humans who have caused pain, suffering, and murder that it should happen to in stead of these innocent creatures who have never, nor would harm anyone.
> - Scott B.
>
>
>

so happy for them and yet sad at the same time. Imagine 30 years without sunlight.

:_(

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:26 PM, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

It's heart breaking, terrible and cruel. Their first reaction and shared response is proof they have feelings and what was done to them is beyond words. There are plenty of humans who have caused pain, suffering, and murder that it should happen to in stead of these innocent creatures who have never, nor would harm anyone.

- Scott B.

---

From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:29 PM
Subject: [pota] Good day, Sunshine

After long careers as lab specimens, these chimps in Austria feel sunlight for the first time in 30 years. And they didn't even have to cross the Golden Gate Bridge.

Thanks to Al for the heads up.

http://www.news.com.au/world/bright-light-bright-light-its-the-rise-and-shine-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/story-e6frfkyi-1226131059914

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He was also great in Battleground.

 

 

In a message dated 9/9/2011 12:44:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

I'll agree that Ricardo Montalban deserves our gratitude

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Just various talk her and their and the Amazon site and Blogs are all saying that a digital disc will be here around November 8th or so. Thats fast man. The digital Bits was my old camping ground and nothing from them yet. Is their a concenses yet as to when? John M.
>
>
>
>
>
> Who knows about the future?
>

Perhaps-Only the Dead! John M.

I always buy the Daily Star because it always presents a couple of excellent points that demand my attention.On the movie page today, RISE has GONE UP from 3 to 2 in the movie charts.I think, from worldwide reports,that we can safely say RISE 'has legs'.I wonder could it do 600? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I'll be able to see it for months. I can still see "X-Men: First Class" if I wanted to in a theater.
>
>